Title: Transcripts of interviews conducted by Gwendolen M. Carter, 1972-1985
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Title: Transcripts of interviews conducted by Gwendolen M. Carter, 1972-1985
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Language: English
Creator: Carter, Gwendolen M.
Copyright Date: 1985
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Inka Mars-Red Cross-Durban, 1985 ( Gatcha's PR person)(also works with Ina) 3Ja&,17
There has been a drought in Natal since 1979 with a tremendous loss of livestock. Then there was
the cyclone and flood--people lost everything, needed pots, food, clothing. The government got
into disaster aid as did Quazulu. The government is giving compensation to victims.
In the school feeding program we hand:~. about 100,000 children with funds from Operation Hunger.
The people here will curtail relief when the need goes. We have set up training at the tribal
level in first aid, nutrition, national development.
One project had 250 women earning about lOOrand per month ofof 1/4 acre market garden.
We need low maintenance technology. We do feasibility studies on projects when we get a request
initiated from the people.
We .are anti disinvestment because of the acute need for cash. in 1959 the west could have
moved but now the time is past. The dynamics of the afrikaner circles are the best bet.
The rural women are not unknowledgeable. They are survivors but they are extrefEliy vulnerable.
The people are politicized. "make over in the image of butilezi" The power one man has in
the african context. We have to resist the temptation to take over projects and movements
because if tney can't stand on their own then they axtixmxkexix are ultimately a waste of time.
irs. Latule is still at t.e home site. "Groutville" The missions have let us down.
Ingquavuma sa& Kournhoff; set up a meeting but it was beautifully managed by the ziulus. Kurnhoff
wanted to talk but the Zulus demanded that he "Deliver the message, Deliver the miaEzf message
only." The James commission was appointed but Gatcha took the dispute to the Supreme court.
Now Swaziland has had troubles, the cyclone, in 1984, and there was an opportunity to destabilize
them. The Tembtongas meeting in Pretoria was disorganized.
The Brits original divided the Zulus to prevent the nation from reuniting.
Confederation/federation the con is being dropped more often.
The young Indians are more radical than anyone suspects.
On the disputed townships it is Pretoria that directs the action. Attention should be focused
on Pretoria and not on local disputes. There is no tension in Lamontville;people are in the
streets, children playing, The joint statement that Gatcha wanted to sign called for nonviolence
but the others (Diakonia) would not sigh it. This is short term political gain thinking and not
long range thinking of how to prevent the conflict of black against black.
The repressed frustrations lead to a blow off over trivia and also show up as stress diabetes and
hypertension. There is no place for the blacks to work it out gently. Black society is not
violent but they are given no choice.

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