Title: Transcripts of interviews conducted by Gwendolen M. Carter, 1972-1985
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Title: Transcripts of interviews conducted by Gwendolen M. Carter, 1972-1985
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Creator: Carter, Gwendolen M.
Copyright Date: 1985
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AZAPO--Ishmael l'khabela, Ntjannu Habedi, Joh Seoke, Johannesburg, 1985

Azapo was formed in 1978. The leaders were detained anid then after 7 months released but with
banning orders on the leaders.
April 78, 4 of May, (4 days later) the leaders detained for 7 months--Dec released ('88) 5 year
banning order. At the end of 1981 the banning order was lifted arbitrarily ( no explanations werp
Steve :eko was one of the leaders of Black Consciousness.
Azapo is spread well around the country.
AZANIA student movement. Workers, Trade unions (Black Allied Mine W~Vkax and Construction workers
Union, Assurance Insurance, B9BWU,) We have tried to focus on industrial unions.
We are organizing sports personalities, soccor officials,players union.
We adhear to the broad principles of Black Consciousness but have to look at exploitation in a
structural framework.
Capitalism is part of the colonial legacy.
The terminology is that of the trade unions and workers.
We see the third world countries as sharing a common experience.
This commonality of experience provides the basis for solidarity with the third world.

We see the mainland Chinese as retrogressing, vascilating between socialism and capitalism.
We cannot take the soviet Union as a model-rather we learn from each country's ups and downs.
Labor cannot be the main agent of change.
We do agree that change wAll be brought about by collective efforts.
The liberation movement stands bmaXm beyond the labor movement.
The struggle can only be understood in terms of the operating contest.
2 senior members of AZAPO in the Vaal area are still being detained.
expressionn continues. It is a situation of action and reaction. Harassment--14 people taken for
questioning,. They were offered money for information.

We try to involve the cormiunity in education. We have a policy developed by professionals that
is intended to keep the perspective correct.
Education for liberaticr. The Black Student Study Project depends on people.

We had an indirect participation in the second stay away. We were not involved at the planning level.
The speed of organization led to confusion. We acted to promote debate. The organizers are not
i doing a discriminating analysis of tAhe strengths and weaknesses. They need to ask why the
Activity comes up like mushrooms and then why they die down.
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Azapo--page 2.
We are supporting the t rent boycott in the va.l.
We want it to be seen as an effort of the communities.
Rev. Jeff Mosella.

The message to the U. S. is that the time for empty political rhetoric is over.

We live in two worlds.

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