Title: Transcripts of interviews conducted by Gwendolen M. Carter, 1972-1985
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Title: Transcripts of interviews conducted by Gwendolen M. Carter, 1972-1985
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Language: English
Creator: Carter, Gwendolen M.
Copyright Date: 1982
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We talked during drinks and sat at the same table. Jackie
Kennedy Onassis was there along with JFK Jr., and when Peter said
that that rather plain-looking lady was Jackie Onassis he added,
pointing toward Gwen in the other part of the rooms that lady is the
most important one here" (I forgot to mention this to Gwen.)

I asked if he was now active in the PAC. Yes, there was now
a coming together under Pokela. He then showed me the pamphlet listing
the people who attended the recent TransAfrica meeting in Washington
aad Peter was listed simply as (or Big identified as) PAC, I should have
asked if he had some title -- apparently not since he referred to himself
as an adviser.

In Washington at TransAfrica he had spoken briefly to Oliver Tambo.
He has always liked OT and thinks of him as a nationalist. I had
asked about prospects for unity between ANC and PAC. He said: the
ime was not now "ripe" but it would cone. He drew a distinction between
"the Slovo wing" of the ANC and those who were Black Consciousness or
nationalists (the terms used almost interchangeably), standing for PAC.
Mandela was one of us." I then asked about Tambo. And what about
Thabp hbeki whosee father is a Communist)? Peters he too is one of
us or will come to our side.

I asked any prominent Africans in the ANC who are part of the
Slovo wing? Alfred Nzo.

At dinners Slovo killed Tennyson Makiwane because TN knew too
much. (That is, the Slovo wing.)

Ripeness for ANC-PAC unity depended upon the growth of (ZANLA ? )
(the Azanian Liberation Army).

Tambo's talk in Washingtons same old thing -- nothing *m new to
say whereas the PAC always had something new to say. (But he said
to Gwen in another context: the PAC had not changed its views since
those expressed by Sobukwe -- i.e., "the Prof." -- in his office at

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