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Place of Publication: Kingstown, St. Vincent
Publication Date: September 8, 1959
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Slublished by Authoril .


No. 315.
It is hereby notified for general information that in the event of a hurricane
threatening or approaching the Island, the following warnings will be given:-



28th July, 1958.
(W. 15/1958 (B).)

No. 381.

(1) A red flag with a black
rectangular centre will be
flown on Police Head-
(2) Loud Speaker and Radio
(3) Three saluting guns will
be fired.

A red flag with a black
rectangular centre will be
flown from Police Sta-
Loud Speaker and Radio

(1) Two red flags with black
rectangular centres one
above the other will be
flown on Police Head-
(2) Church Bells will ring
for 5 minutes.
(3) Cotton Ginnery whistle
will blow for 5 minutes.
(4) The Siren will blow for
5 minutes.
(1) Two red flags with black
rectangular centres will
be flown from Police
(2) Church Bells will ring
for 5 minutes.

SNo. 382.


With reference to Government Notice
No. 272 of 30th June, 1959, Mr. F.
DOWERS, Class III Clerk, Magistrate's
Office, resumed duty on 4th August,
8th September, 1959.
(P.F. 751.)


Mr. RUPERT LOCKHART, Agricultural
Assistant (Agronomy), Camden Park
Experiment Station, with effect from
16th August, 1959.
8th September, 1959.
(P.F. 326.)

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No. 383.

It is notified for public information
that Mr. HENRY NEBLETT, Acting Crown
Surveyor, has been appointed Author-
ised Officer in place of Mr. HORACE RAY-
MOND WASON under the Land Acqui-
sition Ordinance, 1946 (No. 22 of 1946),
until further notice.
8th September, 1959.
(A. 2/1947.)

No. 384.

The undermentioned persons have
been appointed to serve on the Visiting
Committee of the Mental Hospital for a
period of two years with effect from
1st September, 1959.
Hon. A. C. CYRus (Chairman),
Dr. A. D. Low,
-Mrs. C. McCALL,
Secretary: E. A. BOWMAN, Esq., Dis-
penser-in-Charge, Mental Hospital.
8th September, 1959.
(M. 30/1950.)

No. 385.

The Honourable I. D. B. CHARLES,
Acting Financial Secretary, has been
appointed a Commissioner of Income
Tax under the provisions of Section 3
of the Income Tax Ordinance, 1956,
with effect from 3rd September, 1959,
and until further notice.
8th September, 1959.
(A. 37/1944.)

No. 386.

Tenders will be received at the
Financial Secretary's Office up to 3 p.m.
on Thursday, 15th October, 1959, for
the conveyance daily with the excep-
tion of Sundays and Public Holidays,
of mails including parcel post mails, to
and from the island of Bequia for a
period of two years, commencing 1st
January, 1960.
2. The vessel for the conveyance of
these mails shall be supplied by the
3. The Contract may be terminated
by one month's notice on either side.

The person to whom the contract
is awarded will be required to enter
into a bond with Government for a sat-
isfactory performance of the contract.
4. Sealed Tenders should state the
amount of subsidy required, and must
be addressed to: The Chairman,
Tenders Board, Financial Secretary's
Office. The envelope should be dis-
tinctly marked: "Tenders for the con-
veyance of Bequia Mails."
5. Government does not bind itself-
to accept the lowest or any tender.
8th September, 1959.

No. 387.

The undermentioned Ordinance which
has been assented to by the Acting
Governor is published with this issue of
the Gazette.
No. 5 of 1959.-An Ordinance to
amend and consolidate the law re-
lating to Currency and to imple-
ment an Agreement to provide for
a uniform Currency in the Eastern
Group of the British Caribbean
(F. 13/1950 II.)
8th September, 1959.

No. 388.
The following Document is published
with this issue of the Gazette.
S.R. & 0. No. 30.-The Customs
(Southern Grenadines) Rules, 1959.
(S. 7/1943.)
8th September, 1959.

No. 389.

Copies of Minutes of the Special
Meeting of the Legislative Council held
on 30th July, 1959, and Minutes of the
Meeting of the Legislative Council held
on 6th August, 1959, which may be
seen at Government Office, the Kings-
town Library and at all Revenue Of-
fices, are published with this issue of
the Gazette.
8th September, 1959.

No. 390
Copies of the Legislative Council
Proceedings and Debates (Hansard) in
the Second Session (1955-56) held on
Thursday, 7th June, 1956, which may
be seen at the Government Office,
Kingstown Library, and at all Revenue
Offices and District Post Offices are
published with this issue of the Gazette.
8th September, 1959.


3. 378.


Applications are invited for the post
of Junior Fisheries Officer to be at-
tached to the Department of Agricul-
ture, St. Vincent. The post is tenable
for the duration of a Fisheries Scheme
financed by Colonial Development and
Welfare funds and is not pensionable.
2. The salary of the post is $2,112
per annum in the scale $2,112 x $96-
$2,976 plus a pay addition of 20% on
salary. Travelling and subsistence al-
lowances will be paid at prescribed
local rates. Quarters are not provided.
3. The Officer will be required to
assist with putting into effect a fisheries
scheme which includes the supervision
and control of a Fish Collecting Sta-
tion at Canouan, a fish transport and
research boat, and loans to fishermen.
The Fisheries Officer will be expected
to go to sea with fishermen to observe
their methods and problems at first
hand with a view to improvement in
fishing gear, methods of fishing, pre-
servation of fishing equipment etc. He
will be required to explore means of
improving the marketing of fish, to col-
lect fisheries statistics, to assist in the
formation of Fisheries Associations and
in the enforcement of Legislation per-
taining to the protection of the Fishing
Industry of the Island. He will be ex-
pected to perform all other duties
relative to the fishing industry in which
he may from time to time be directed by
the Superintendent of Agriculture.
4. The applicant need not neces-
sarily have had previous experience in
the fishing industry but such experi-
ence will be to his advantage. It is
hoped to arrange a practical course for
the Oftiter in the aspects of the fishing
industry in which he will be engaged.
5. Applications should be in the
applicant's own handwriting and should
state educational qualifications, previ-

ous work experience whether in fishing
trade or not, birth certificate, and
should be accompanied by three testimo-
6. All applications should be ad-
dressed to the Assistant Administrator
and Establishment Officer to reach him
not later than the 30th of September,
1st September, 1959.

No. 379.

Applications are invited from suit-
ably qualified candidates for the vacant
post of Junior Agricultural Instructor
in the Department of Agriculture.
The appointment is non-pension-
able and will be for a probationary
period of one year in the first instance.
The salary of the post is in the scale
$768 x $60-$1,068 per annum with a
20% pay addition. Travelling allow-
ance is also payable in accordance with
local regulations in respect of a means
of transport approved by the Adminis-
Quarters are not provided nor any
allowance in lieu thereof.
The duties include the development
and general supervision of peasant
agriculture with special reference to
soil conservation, land settlement, Cre-
dit Societies, co-operative processing
and marketing of crops, livestock de-
velopment, the administration of laws
relating to Agriculture and such other
duties as may be required to be per-
formed from time to time.
Applications giving full particulars
of the candidate's qualifications and ex-
perience and accompanied by birth cer-
tificate and three testimonials, should be
addressed to the Assistant Administra-
tor, Government Office, St. Vincent, and
should reach him not later than 15th
September,. 1959.
1st September, 1959.

No. 369.
(No. 22 of 1946)
IN THE MATTER OF THE ACQUISITION by the Governor in Council of
a certain parcel of land at Montrose in the Parish of St. George for a
public purpose.



WHEREAS it is enacted by Section 3 of the Land Acquisition Ordinance 1946
(No. 22 of 1946) that if the Governor in Council considers that any land should
be acquired for a public purpose he may cause a declaration to that effect to
be made.
AND WHEREAS it is considered by the Governor in Council that the under-
mentioned parcel of land should be acquired for a public purpose, to wit, road

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Now IT Is HEREBY DECLARED by His Excellency the Governor acting in
accordance with the advice of the Executive Council of the Colony of Saint
Vincent that upon the Second Publication of this Declaration in the Gazette
all that parcel of land at Montrose in the parish of St. George, the property
of Heirs of A. M. Fraser measuring 410 sq. ft. in area and bounded on the
north and east by a Public Road and on the south and west by lands of the
Heirs of A. M. Fraser shall vest absolutely in the Crown.
the Number G3/63 showing the above mentioned parcel of land has been pre-
pared by L. W. Sandy, Licensed Land Surveyor and lodged on the 19th day of
January 1959 at the Lands and Surveys Department of Kingstown in the said
Colony and can be inspected at all reasonable hours at the said Department.
Dated at Kingstown this 29th day of August, 1959.
Clerk of Executive Council.
No. 370.
(No. 22 of 1946)
IN THE MATTER OF THE ACQUISITION by the Governor in Council of
a certain parcel of land at Villa in the Parish of St. George for a public


WHEREAS it is enacted by Section 3 of the Land Acquisition Ordinance 1946
(No. 22 of 1946) that if the Governor in Council considers that any land should
be acquired for a public purpose he may cause a declaration to that effect to
be made.
AND WHEREAs it is considered by the Governor in Council that the under-
mentioned parcel of land should be acquired for a public purpose, to wit,
the improvement of the Windward Highway.
Now IT Is HEREBY DECLARED by His Excellency the Governor acting in
accordance with the advice of the Executive Council of the Colony of Saint
Vincent that upon the Second Publication of this Declaration in the Gazette
all that parcel of land at Villa in the Parish of St. George the property of
Bertram DeShong measuring 1,060 sq. ft. in area and bounded on the north
and east by the Windward Highway and on the south and west by lands of
Bertram DeShong shall vest absolutely in the Crown.
the Number G3/73 showing the above mentioned parcel of land has been pre-
pared by G. E. Daisley, Licensed Land Surveyor, and lodged on the 13th day
of May 1959 at the Lands and Surveys Department of Kingstown in the said
Colony and can be inspected at all reasonable hours at the said Department.
Dated at Kingstown this 29th day of August, 1959.
Clerk of Executive Council.
No. 371.
(No. 22 of 1946)
IN THE MATTER OF THE ACQUISITION by the Governor in Council of
a certain parcel of land at Hermitage in the Parish of St. Patrick for
a public purpose.


WHEREAS it is enacted by Section 3 of the Land Acquisition Ordinance 1946
(No. 22 of 1946) that if the Governor in Council considers that any land should
be acquired for a public purpose he may cause a declaration to that effect to
be made.


AND WHEREAS it is considered by the Governor in Council that the under-
mentioned parcel of land should be acquired for a public purpose, to wit, the
improvement of the Spring Village-Hermitage road.
Now IT Is HEREBY DECLARED by His Excellency the Governor acting in
accordance with the advice of the Executive Council of the Colony of Saint
Vincent that upon the Second Publication of this Declaration in the Gazette
all that parcel of land at Hermitage in the Parish of St. Patrick the property
of Ernest DeRiggs measuring 2,196 sq. ft. in area and bounded on the north
by lands of Ernest 1eRiggs and on the east, south and west by the Hermitage
road, shall vest absolutely in the Crown.
the Number P1/54 showing the above-mentioned parcel of land has been pre.
pared by L. W. Sandy, Licensed Land Surveyor, and Lodged on the 24th day
of April, 1959 at the Lands and Surveys Department of Kingstown in the said
Colony and can be inspected at all reasonable hours at the said Department.
Dated at Kingstown this 29th day of August, 1959.
Clerk of Executive Council.

No. 372.
(No. 22 of 1946)
IN THE MATTER OF THE ACQUISITION by the Governor in Council of
a certain parcel of land at Coulls Hill in the Parish of St David for a
public purpose.



WHEREAS it is enacted by Section 3 of the Land Acquisition Ordinance 1946
(No. 22 of 1946) that if the Governor in Council considers that any land should
be acquired for a public purpose he may cause a declaration to that effect to
be made.
AND WHEREAS it is considered by the Governor in Council that the under-
mentioned parcels of land should be acquired for a public purpose, to wit, the
improvement of the Leeward Highway.
Now IT Is HEREBY DECLARED by His Excellency the Governor acting in
accordance with the advice of the Executive Council of the Colony of Saint
Vincent that upon the Second Publication of this Declaration in the Gazette
all those parcels of land at Coulls Hill in the Parish of St. David, the property
of the respective persons set out in the schedule hereto, shall vest absolutely
in the Crown.
the Number D2/6 showing the above mentioned parcels of land has been pre-
pared by L. W. Sandy, Licensed Land Surveyor, and lodged on the 2nd day
of May 1959 at the Lands and Surveys Department of Kingstown in the said
Colony and can be inspected at all reasonable hours at the said Department.
Dated at Kingstown this 29th day of August, 1959.
Clerk of Executive Council.

This is the Schedule referred to above.


No. 373.
(No. 22 of 1946)
IN THE MATTER OF THE ACQUISITION by the Governor in Council of
a certain parcel of land at Coulls Hill in the Parish of St. David for a
public purpose.


WHEREAS it is enacted by Section 3 of the Land Acquisition Ordinance 1946
(No. 22 of 1946) that if the Governor in Council considers that any land should
be acquired for a public purpose he may cause a declaration to that effect to
be made.
AND WHEREAS it is considered by the Governor in Council that the under-
mentioned parcel of land should be acquired for a public purpose, to wit,
the improvement of the Leeward Highway.
Now IT Is HEREBY DECLARED by His Excellency the Governor acting in
accordance with the advice of the Executive Council of the Colony of Saint
Vincent that upon the Second Publication of this Declaration in the Gazette
all those parcels of land at Coulls Hill in the Parish of St. David the property of
the respective persons set out in the Schedule hereto, shall vest absolutely
in the Crown.
the Number D89 showing the above mentioned parcels of land has been prepared
by L. W. Sandy, Licensed Land Surveyor, and lodged on the 20th day of June
1959 at the Lands and Surveys Department of Kingstown in the said Colony
and can be inspected at all reasonable hours at the said Department.
Dated at Kingstown this 29th day of August, 1959.
Clerk of Executive Council.
This is the Schedule referred to above:

O e Adjoining Lands or Land-owners
Owner Area N
sq. ft. North South East West

King Richards 140.5 Leeward High- King Richards Leeward High- King Richards
way way
Evangeline Her- 183 Evangeline Her- Leeward High- ,, Henry Moe
bert bert way
Henry Moe 24 Henry Moe Leeward High- Evangeline Her- Henry Moe
_________way bert

Ne. 374.
(No. 22 of 1946)
IN THE MATTER OF THE ACQUISITION by the Governor in Council of
a certain parcel of land at Higher Lowmans in the Parish of Charlotte
for a public purpose.


WHEREAS it is enacted by Section 3 of the Land Acquisition Ordinance 1946
(No. 22 of 1946) that if the Governor in Council considers that any land should
be acquired for a public purpose he may cause a declaration to that effect to
be made.


AND WHEREAS it is considered by the Governor in Council that the under-
mentioned parcels of land should be acquired for a public purpose, to wit, the
erection of a school.
Now IT Is HEREBY DECLARED by His Excellency the Governor acting in
accordance with the advice of the Executive Council of the Colony of Saint
Vincent that upon the Second Publication of this Declaration in the Gazette
all those parcels of land at Higher Lowmans in the Parish of Charlotte the
property of the respective persons set out in the Schedule hereto, shall vest
absolutely in the Crown.
the number C3/27 showing the above mentioned parcels of land has been pre-
pared by C. E. R. Williams, Licensed Land Surveyor, and lodged on the 3rd day
of July 1959 at the Lands and Surveys Department of Kingstown in the said
Colony and can be inspected at all reasonable hours at the said Department.
Dated at Kingstown this 29th day of August, 1959.
Clerk of Executive Council.
This is the Schedule referred to above.
Adjoining Lands or Land-owners
Owner Area
sq. ft. North South East West

Robert Fred- 10,680 Robert Fred- Public Road Public Road Lauders Estate
eriek erick
Hrs. of James
Heirs of James 1,898 Hrs. of James Robert Fred- Robert Fred-
Bruce Bruce erick erick

By Order,

8th September, 1959.

Acting Government Secretary.




The attention of the general public
is invited to Cap. 194, Section 12 (2)
of the "Land and House Tax Ordin-
ance" which reads as follows :-
"Any person who shall erect, add to,
or otherwise substantially increase the
value of, any house, shall within 30
days thereafter, make a return in
writing thereof to the Tax Officer.
Such return shall contain a true and
correct statement of the description,
situation and value of the same and
also the annual rental value."
Failure to submit the required return
shall make the person concerned lia-
ble to a fine not exceeding Fifty
Acting Accountant General.
Treasury Chambers,
St. Vincent, W.I.
29th August, 1959.


Members of the Public who are
interested in the operation of a local
Bus Passenger Service, plying for hire
daily, into and from Kingstown within
a radius of three (3) or four (4) miles
miles along the Windward and Leeward
Highways, are hereby invited to attend
a Meeting of the St. Vincent Transport
Board which will be held at the Office
of the Chief of Police on-Thursday 17th
September 1959 at 2.00 p.m.
Those interested in operating such a
service, should attend and bring along
with them any available data.

Secretary, Transport Board,

Office of the Chief of Police,
Police Headquarters,
3rd September, 1959.




Average circulation during June, 1959
British Caribbean Currency ...... 74,141,173.00
Demonetized Government Notes ...... 1,021,186.00

Total average ...... .. .... ... $75,162,359.00

British Caribbean Notes and Coins in
circulation on 1st August, 1959 $
Trinidad and Tobago ...... ...... ...... 55,465,032.00
Barbados ...... ...... ...... ...... 7,436,225.00
British Guiana ...... ...... ...... ...... 18,388,936.50
Grenada ...... ...... ...... ...... ...... 3,660,100.00
St. Vincent ....... ...... ...... 754,400.00
St. Lucia ...... ...... ...... ...... ...... 982,000.00
Dominica ...... ....... ..... ... ..... 1,934,400.00
Antigua ...... ... ... ...... ...... 3,114,300.00
St. Kitts ...... ...... ...... ...... 1,589,600.00
M ontserrat ...... ........... ............. 255,205.00
"Proof Set" of Coins ...... ...... -





Total British Caribbean Notes and Coins
in circulation on 1st August, 1959
Demonetized Government notes outstan-
ding on 1st August, 1959.
Trinidad and Tobago ...... ......
British Guiana ...... ... ....
Barbados ...... ...... ...... ......

Total Demonetized Government Notes
outstanding on 1st August, 1959.

Total circulation on 1st August, 1959.

$73,580,198.50 $3,780,251.00



$74,598,092.00 $3,780,251.00

Ag. Executive Commissioner,
British Caribbean Currency Board.
British Caribbean Currency Board,
Treasury Chambers,
Port of Spain,
Trinidad, W.I.

THE ST. VINCENT BANANA GROWERS This is a purely temporary measure
ASSOCIATION, and it must be appreciated that any fall
in the price received by the Association
INCREASE IN PRICE TO GROWERS. will automatically result in a corres-
ponding reduction in price to growers.


In keeping with its declared policy of
maintaining a differential of one cent
between the summer and winter prices
of bananas, a policy which has been en-
dorsed by the Commission of Enquiry,
the Interim Board of the Saint Vincent
Banana Growers Association have re-
solved that the price payable to grow-
ers of all bananas accepted for export
will be increased to 5 cents per lb. as
from the shipment expected to take
place on or about the 8th September,
1959. Although there has been no in-
crease in the Green Boat price since the
25th March, 1959.

3rd September, 1959.



TERM III, 1959.

Term III, 1959, will begin on Mon-
day, 14th September, 1959, at 10.30 a.m.
Acting Headmistress.
Girls' High School,
5th September, 1959.


TE x III, 1959.,

Term III, 1959, will begin on Mon-
day, 14th September, 1959, at 10.30 a.m.
Grammar School,
5th September, 1959.


The attention of the public is drawn
to section 26 (1) and (2) of the Roads
Ordinance which reads as follows:-
"(1) Whenever any steep slope or
bank on the lower or upper sides
of a road shall be considered by
the Superintendent of Works to
be unsafe or likely to be dangerous
to persons using the road, the
Superintendent of Works may-
(a) prohibit the cutting of any
trees on such slope to a dis-
tance of ten feet from the
roadside, or
(b)prohibit the cultivation of
any land on such slope to a
distance of ten feet from the
roadside, or

(c) enter upon any such land
and plant and maintain a pro-
tection hedge of trees on such
slope to a distance of ten feet
from the roadside, or
(d) prohibit the working of
quarries to a distance of forty
feet from the roadside.
(2) For the purposes of this sec-
tion, the roadside shall be construed
as meaning the outside edge of the
ditch or drain on the side of a road,
where such ditch or drain exists and
if not, the outside edge of the road
2. Attention is also drawn to section
29 of the said Ordinance which reads as
"Whoever tethers or causes to be
tethered any poundable animal in, up-
on or near a road so that such animal
causes obstruction or inconvenience
to passers-by or permits or causes any
poundable animal, whether tethered
or otherwise to browse or feed upon
the herbage growing on a road shall,
upon the information of any person
be liable on summary conviction to
a fine not exceeding ten dollars."

Acting Superintendent of Works.
25th August, 1959.


It is hereby notified for general information that the Quarterly Liquor
Licensing Session will be held in the undermentioned Parishes for the purpose
of hearing applications from applicants in their respective Parishes for the
granting of Certificates in accordance with the provisions of the Liquor Licences
Ordinance, No. 11 of 1948, at the times and places stated hereunder:-

Parishes. Time and Place of Session.
St. George & St. Andrew .. At the Court House, Kingstown, on
Wednesday the 9th day of Septem-
ber, 1959, at 9.15 a.m.
Charlotte .. At the Court House, Georgetown, on
Friday the 11th day of September,
1959, at 9.15 a.m.
St. Patrick .. At the Court House, Barrouallie, on
Monday the 14th day of September,
1959, at 9.15 a.m.
St. David .. At the Court House, Chateaubelair, on
Monday the 28th day of September,
1959, at 9.15 a.m.
The Grenadines (Bequia) .. At the Court House, Port Elizabeth,
on Friday the 4th day of September,
1959, at 10.00 a.m.
(Union Island).. At the Court House, Clifton, on Friday
the 25th day of September, 1959, at
10.00 a.m.
Notices of intention .to oppose the grant of any Certificate, stating in
general terms the grounds of the opposition, must be served upon the applicant
and upon the Magistrate not later than seven days before the day fixed for the
holding of the Licensing Session.
L. E. G. K. LEWIS,




St. George &
St. Andrew

T h r"otli ..

St. Patrick..

(Bequia) .

Island) .

Names of Applicants

Foster M. Anthony

Alban Bailey

Philbert Browne

Valerie Cato

Enid Craigg

Benedict A. DaBreo

Sebastian Deane

H. David Dear & Co.

Calvin Jackson

Leon Harry

Agatha Hunte

Leo H. Miguel

Milton Morgan

Sylvia Pierre

Nathaniel Robinson

Louise Robinson

Cassidee Williams

Vernon A. Fergus

James Nanton

Enoch Morris*

Leon Olliverre

George Hutchinson

Isaac Hutchinson

Leonard Lewis

William Thomas

Occupation Residence

Shopkeeper Stubbs

Businessman Kingstown






















Sion Hill

New Montrose


Lodge Village



New Prospect





Lodge Village



Camden P1i i1

New Grounds

Sandy Bay

Spring Village

Low Bay





Situation of

* Stubbs Village

Upper Middle
St., K'town
Richmond Hill
Walker Piece,
New Montrose
Gomea Village

Lodge Village


Lot 113, Upper
Middle St.
New Prospect

Yambou Vil-

Freeland, Meso

Lodge Village



Camden Park

North Union

Sandy Bay

Spring Village

Low Bay

Ashton, Union
Clifton, Union
Ashton, Unic i

L. E. G. K. LEWIS,
Magistrate's Office. Magistrate.
Saint Vincent.
19th August, 1959.

Price 30 ets. :


No. 5 of 1959.

I Assent,


[ L.S. ]

Acting Governor.

29th August, 1959.
AN ORDINANCE to amend and consolidate the law relating
to currency and to implement an Agreement to provide
for a uniform currency in the Eastern Group of the British
Caribbean Territories.
[ On Proclamation. ]
Enacted by the Legislature of Saint Vincent.

1. (1) This Ordinance may be cited as the Currency
Ordinance, 1959.
(2) This Ordinance shall come into operation on such
day as the Governor by proclamation published in the Gazette
shall appoint.
2. In this Ordinance-
"Agreement" means the Agreement set out in the First
Schedule hereto;
"Board" means the Board of Commissioners established
in accordance with the terms of the Agreement;
"coin" means any coin provided, issued or re-issued under
the provisions of this Ordinance;

Short title and


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"Currency Fund" means the Currency Fund established
in accordance with Article 3 of the Agreement;
''currency note" means any note provided, issued, deemed
to have been issued, or re-issued under the provisions
of this Ordinance;
"Income Account" means the Currency Fund Income
Account opened and maintained in accordance with
Article 4 of the Agreement.

Agreement to 3. The provisions of the Agreement made between the
have the force Governments of the Colonies of-
of Law.
(a) Barbados;
(b) British Guiana;
(c) Trinidad and Tobago;
(d) Antigua, Saint Christopher Nevis and Anguilla, and
Montserrat, comprising for the purposes of this
Ordinance the Leeward Islands;
(e) Grenada, Saint Vincent, Saint Lucia and Dominica
comprising the Windward Islands-
shall have the force of law as if enacted in this Ordinance and
as if they had effect from the first day of July, 1956.

4. (1) For the purposes of this Ordinance-
Board to have
sole right to issue (a) the Board shall, subject to the provisions of this
and re-issue cur- Ordinance, have the sole right, power and author-
rency notes and ity to provide, issue and re-issue currency notes
Colon they. in the Colony;
(b) no banker shall, in the Colony, issue or re-issue any
bank note. For the purposes of this subsection the
expression "Bank note" extends and applies to
all bills or notes for the payment of money to the
bearer on demand issued by a banker.
(2) Currency Notes of the Government of Jamaica issued
from time to time under the provisions of the Currency Notes
Law of the Colony of Jamaica and being, at the time of tender,
legal tender in Jamaica (hereinafter referred to as "Jamaica
notes") shall be deemed for the purposes of this Ordinance to
have been issued under this Ordinance.
(3) In so far as it relates to coin, the Board shall, sub-
ject to the provisions of this Ordinance, have the sole right,
power and authority to provide, issue and re-issue coin in the

No. 5. Currency. 1959.

5. (1) Currency notes issued under subsection (1) (a)
of section 4 of this Ordinance shall be of the denominations
specified in the Agreement and be of such form and design
and printed from such plates and on such paper and be authen-
ticated in such manner as may from time to time be approved
by the Secretary of State.
(2) The plates shall be prepared and kept and the notes
printed, authenticated, issued and cancelled in the manner and
in accordance with conditions prescribed by Regulations made
under section 13 of this Ordinance for the purpose of preventing
fraud and improper use.
(3) Coin issued under this Ordinance shall be of the
denominations and weight and be made of such metal or metals
as are specified in the Second Schedule hereto as amended from
time to time under the provisions of subsection (4) of this
section and be of such form and design as may be prescribed.
(4) The Governor in Council may, after consultation
with the Board and with the approval of the Secretary of State,
make Regulations amending the Second Schedule hereto.
6. (1) Currency notes shall be legal tender in the Colony
for the payment of any amount: Provided that for the
purposes of this Ordinance the value of Jamaica notes shall
be calculated at the rate of one pound for four dollars and
eighty cents.
(2) Coin shall, if the coins have not been illegally dealt
with, be legal tender to an amount not exceeding in the case
of coins of a denomination of not less than twenty-five cents,
ten dollars, and in the case of coins of a lower denomination,
two dollars.
(3) For the purposes of this Ordinance, a coin shall be
deemed to have been illegally dealt with where the coin has
been impaired, diminished, or lightened otherwise than by fair
wear and tear, or has been defaced by having any name, word,
device or number stamped or engraved thereon, whether the
coin has or has not been thereby diminished or lightened.
7. (1) The Board shall issue on demand to any person
desiring to receive currency notes in the Colony, currency
notes to the equivalent value (at the rate of one dollar for
four shillings and two pence) of sums in sterling lodged with
the Crown Agents in London by the said person, and shall
pay on demand through the Crown Agents to any person
desiring to receive sterling in London the equivalent value
calculated as aforesaid of currency notes lodged with the
Board in the Colony by the said person:

Issue and form of
currency notes
and coin.

Second Schedule.

Legal tender.

Conversion of
currency notes
and coin into
sterling ana
vice verUL

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Board may issue
currency notes to
value of securities
of participating
held by it.

Meeting of defi-
ciencies in Cur-
rency Fund or
Income Account.

of currency notes
and coin.

Bills and notes
payable to bearer
on demand.

Provided that-
(a) no person shall be entitled to lodge with the
Crown Agents or the Board as the case may be
less than such minimum sum as may from time
to time be prescribed for the purpose of obtaining
currency notes or sterling as the case may be; and
(b) the Board shall be entitled to charge and levy
from any person obtaining currency notes or
sterling commission at such rate or rates as the
Board may think fit not exceeding three-quarters
per centum and in addition the cost of any tele-
grams sent by the Board or by the Crown Agents
in connection with any transfer as above described.
(2) The Board may, at its option, issue and receive
coin in the same manner and subject to the same conditions
as are prescribed in subsection (1) of this section for the issue
and receipt of currency notes.

8. The Board in its discretion may issue currency notes
to the equivalent market value of securities of or guaranteed
by any of the participating Governments lodged with the Board
at its headquarters at Trinidad as part of such a transaction
as is permitted by proviso (a) of paragraph (4) of Article 3
of the Agreement.

9. Any sum which is required to meet any deficiency in
the Currency Fund or the Income Account and which the
Colony is liable to make good under the terms of the Agreement
shall forthwith on the demand of the Board-be issued under
the warrant of the Governor out of the general revenue.

10. The Governor may, after consultation with the Board,
by proclamation issued with the approval of the Secretary of
State declare that any currency notes or coin shall cease to be
legal tender and provide for any matters incidental to the call-
ing in and demonetization of such notes or coin, and any such
proclamation shall have effect as from the date thereof or from
such later date as may be specified:
Provided that the holders of any such notes or coin shall
be entitled at any time after they have ceased to be legal tender
to claim payment of the face value thereof from the Board.

11. (1) For the purposes of this Ordinance, no person
shall draw, accept, make or issue any bill of exchange, promis-
sory note or engagement for the payment of money payable to
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No. 5. Currency. 1959

of money on any bill of exchange, promissory note or engage-
ment for the payment of money payable only to bearer on de-
mand of any such person:
Provided that-
(a) cheques or drafts payable to bearer on demand
may be drawn on bankers or agents by their cus-
tomers or constituents in respect of moneys in the
hands of these bankers or agents held by them at
the disposal of the person drawing such cheques or
drafts; and
(.b) bank notes issued before the commencement of
this Ordinance by banks duly authorised by law
so to do shall be exempt from the operation of this
section subject to the provisions of subsection
(1) (b) of section 4 of this Ordinance.
(2) Any person contravening the provisions of this
section shall, notwithstanding anything to the contrary in any
other law, be liable on summary conviction to a fine of two
hundred and fifty dollars or to a fine equal to twice the amount
of the bill, note or engagement in respect whereof the offence
is committed whichever is the greater notwithstanding that
the amount of such fine may be in excess of the ordinary juris-
diction of a magistrate's court.
(3) A prosecution under this section shall not be insti-
tuted except by the Board or by an agent duly authorised
by the Board in writing.
12. For the avoidance of doubt, it is hereby declared Currency Note
that a currency note under this Ordinance shall be deemed under this
to be-_ Ordinance.
(a) a "bank note" for the purposes of sections 231, 233
and 234 of' the Indictable Offences Ordinance; Cap. 24.
section 3 of the Counterfeit Currency (Convention) No. 5 of 1937.
Ordinance, 1937; and subsection (4) of section 5
of the Indictable Offences (Magistrates Procedure) Cap. 15.
(b) a "Note" for the purposes of section 232 of the
Indictable -Offences Ordinance. Cap. 24.

13. The Governor in Council may, after consultation with Regulations.
the Board and with the approval of the Secretary of State, make
(a) prescribing anything which by this Ordinance is to
be prescribed; and
(b) generally for the better carrying into effect of the
provisions of this Ordinance.

No. 5.


Imitation of
currency notes.

Mutilating or
defacing currency

Repeal and
No. 17 of 1950.
No. 3 of 1955.
No. 16 of 1955.
No. 26 of 1956.

14. If any person makes or causes to be made or uses for
any purpose whatsoever, or utters any document purporting
to be or in any way resembling or so nearly resembling as to be
calculated to deceive, any currency note or any part thereof,
he shall be liable on summary conviction in respect of each
such document to a fine of twenty-four dollars and the Court
shall order the document in respect of which the offence was
committed and any copies of that document and any plates,
blocks, dies, or other instruments used for or capable of being
used for printing or reproducing any such document, which
are in the possession of such offender, to be delivered to the
Board or to any person authorised by the Board to receive them.
15. If any person without lawful authority or excuse (the
proof whereof shall lie on the person accused) mutilates, cuts,
tears or perforates with holes any currency note or in any way
defaces a currency note whether by writing, printing, drawing
or stamping thereon, or by attaching or affixing thereto any-
thing in the nature or form of an advertisement, he shall on
summary conviction be liable to a fine of twenty-four dollars.
16. The Currency Ordinance, 1950, and all amendments
thereto are hereby repealed:
Provided that the Regulations made under the said Ordin-
ance in force at the date of commencement of this Ordinance
shall, until amended or revoked by Regulations made under this
Ordinance, remain good and valid as if made under this Ordin-

Provided further that references in the Regulations made
under the said Ordinance to sections of that Ordinance shall be
construed as references to the corresponding sections of this


AN AGREEMENT made the 28th day of January, 1958 BETWEEN (i)
K.C.M.G., O.B.E., Governor and Commander in Chief of the Colony of Barbados
acting herein and for the purposes hereof for and on behalf of the Government
RENISON, K.C.M.G., Governor and Commander in Chief of the Colony of
British Guiana acting herein and for the purposes hereof for and on behalf of
the Government of the said Colony (iii) HIS EXCELLENCY SIR EDWARD
BETHAM BEETHAM, K.C.M.G., C.V.O., O.B.E., Governor and Commander
in Chief of the Colony of Trinidad and Tobago acting herein and for the
purposes hereof for and on behalf of the Government of the said Colony (iv)

No. 5. Currency. 1959.

Governor and Commander in Chief of the Leeward Islands acting herein and
for the purposes hereof for and on behalf of the Governments of the Colonies
of Antigua, Saint Christopher Nevis and Anguilla, and Montserrat (comprising
for the purposes of this Agreement the Leeward Islands) (v) HIS EXCEL-
and Commander in Chief of thl Windward Islands acting herein and for the
purposes hereof for and on behalf of the Governments of the Colonies of
Grenada, Saint Vincent, Saint Lucia and Dominica:
WHEREAS it is desired to constitute a Board of Commissioners to provide
for and control the supply of currency to the territories administered by the
Governments participating in this Agreement:-
It is hereby agreed as follows:-

1. (1) There shall be constituted a Board of Commis-
sioners of Currency to be styled the "Board of Commissioners
of Currency, British Caribbean Territories (Eastern Group)"
(hereinafter referred to as "The Board") which shall consist
of five members to be appointed by the Secretary of State, the
Governors of Barbados, British Guiana, Trinidad and Tobago,
the Leeward Islands and the Windward Islands, each having
the right to nominate one such member to represent his respec-
tive territory:
Provided that the members of the Board of Commissioners
of Currency appointed under the Agreement (hereinafter
referred to as the First Agreement) made between the Govern-
ments of the Colonies of Barbados, British Guiana, Trinidad
and Tobago, the Leeward Islands, and the Colonies of Grenada,
St. Vincent, St. Lucia and Dominica, comprising the Windward
Islands, set out in the Schedule to the Currency Statutes enacted
in the year 1950 in each of the said Colonies and holding office
as such at the commencement of this Agreement shall, subject
to the provisions of this Agreement, continue to function as
the Board for the remainder of the terms for which they were
respectively appointed.
(2) The Board shall elect one of its number to be
Chairman: Provided that the Chairman elected under the
First Agreement and holding office at the commencement of
this Agreement shall, subject to the provisions of this Agree-
ment, continue to function as the Chairman for the remainder
of the term for which he was appointed.
(3) The term of office of the members and the Chairman
shall be three years, subject to their continuing resident within
the territory they respectively represent. Subject to the fore-
going conditions each member shall be eligible for re-appoint-

Constitution of
Board of Commis-
sioners of Cur-

No. 5. Currency. 1959

4) In addition to the five members appointed under
paragraph ( I of this Article there shall be an Executive Officer
of the Board of which he shall be a member with the title of
"Executive Conmmissioner" and the right to vote. The Execu-
tive Conmiissioner shall be appointed by the Secretary of State:
Provided that the Executive Commissioner appointed under the
First Agreement shall be deemed to have been appointed under
this Agreemciiii. The Executive Commissioner shall be respon-
sible, subject lo the direction of the Board, for all executive
matters comiecied with the procurement, issue, retirement, dis-
tribution and holding of the Board's notes and coin.

(5) The Chairman and members of the Board shall be
paid such remuneration and allowances as may from time to
time be determined by the Secretary of State.
(6) Any duty devolving and any power conferred on
the Board may be discharged or exercised by any three members,
and, in the absence of the Chairman elected under paragraph
(2) of this Article, members may for the purpose of any parti-
cular meeting elect a Chairman ad hoc. The Chairman shall
have an original and a casting vote.
(7) The Board shall establish its headquarters at Trini-
dad and offices at such other places as may be required and
may employ such agents, officers, and persons as may be re-
quired: Provided that any such agents, officers and persons
in the employment of the Board at the commencement of this
Agreement shall, subject to the terms of such employment,
be deemed tP, have been employed under this Agreement.
(8) if any member of the Board is for the time being
unable to act, the Governor by whom he has been nominated
may appoint a fit person to act in his place during such inability.
(9) The Board and its officers and servants shall be
-deemed to be public servants for the purpose of the criminal
law in force in the territories of the participating Governments.

Board to have 2. (1) The Board shall have the sole right to issue cur-
sole right to rency notes and coin in the territories administered by the
issue currency, participating Governments who shall not issue any such notes
or coin nor authorise such issue by other persons.
(2) The Board shall assume all the liabilities, obliga-
tions and responsibilities of the Board appointed under the
First Agreement including those of the currency authorities
of Barbados, British Guiana and Trinidad and Tobago with


No. 5. Currency.

respect to the Government currency notes which had been issued
and were in circulation on the first day of August, 1951, the
said, currency authorities having transferred to the Board ap-
pointed under the First Agreement sterling in London or
investments out of the existing respective Note Security Funds
to an ,._.-.. -.,. market value agreed by the Board to be the
equivalent of the amount of note liability so assumed by the
(3) The participating Governments as and when circum-
stances permit shall demonetize and procure the withdrawal
and appropriate disposal, under arrangements with Her
Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom, of the United
Kingdom coin now in current circulation in the territories
administered by them.
(4) The notes and coin to be issued by the Board shall
be in the following denominations:-

Notes. Coin.
100 dollars 50 cents
20 dollars 25 cents
10 dollars 10 cents
5 dollars 5 cents
2 dollars 2 cents
1, dollar 1 cent
2 cent
Provided that notes and coin of other denominations may
be issued as required with the approval of the Secretary of
State; such notes and coin to be in dollars at the rate of 100
cents for each dollar of the value equivalent to four shillings
and two pence of sterling in London.

3. (1) The Board shall establish and maintain a fund
to be called "The Currency Fund" (hereinafter referred to
as "The Fund") which, subject to the terms of proviso (a)
to paragraph (4) of this Article, shall be held in London by
the Crown Agents for meeting the redemption of currency and
shall not be applied for any other purposes except as provided
by this Agreement:
Provided that The Currency Fund established and main-
tained under the First Agreement shall be deemed to have been
established under this Agreement.
(2) The sterling in London or investments transferred
to the Board in accordance with paragraph (2) of Article 2
of this Agreement shall be held for the account of the Fund
which has been credited with the amount thereof at the agreed
aggregate market value.

Currency Fund.

No, 5. Currency.

(3) There shall further be paid into the Fund-
(a) all sterling received in exchange for currency
notes or coin;
(b) the proceeds of any transactions under paragraph
(6) of this Article, less all expenses incurred in
connection therewith.
(4) The Fund may be invested in sterling securities of
or guaranteed by the Government of any part of Her Majesty's
dominions or of any territory under Her Majesty's protection
or of any territory administered by the Government of any
part of Her Majesty's dominions under the trusteeship-system of
the United Nations or such other securities as the Crown Agents,
with the approval of the Secretary of State, may select:
Provided that-
(a) not more than an amount in dollars equivalent
(at the rate of one dollar for four shillings and
two pence) to two million five hundred thousand
pounds sterling, or such other sum as the Gov-
ernors of the territories administered by the par-
ticipating Governments may with the approval of
the Secretary of State from time to time jointly
prescribed, of the monies in the Fund may at any
time be invested in securities of or guaranteed by
the participating Governments, such securities
being in any case as the Board may select and, if
issued in any of the territories administered by
any of the participating Governments, to be held
by the Board at its headquarters in Trinidad; and
(b) a proportion of the Fund shall be held in London
in liquid form and such proportion may be deter-
mined and varied from time to time with the ap-
proval of the Secretary of State by the Board.
(5) The liquid portion of the Fund may be held in cash
or on deposit at the Bank of England or in Treasury Bills
or may be lent out at call or for short terms in such ways or
invested in such readily realisable securities as may be approved
by the Secretary of State.
(6) Notwithstanding anything in the preceding para-
graphs contained the Board may-
(a) use any coins held for the account of the Fund
for the purpose of having them reminted and
coined into current coin;
(b) pay from the Fund the cost of the purchase of
metal to be minted into current coin; and

No. 5. Currency. i9S9.

(c) sell any coins held for the account of the Fund
provided that the proceeds of any such transac-
tions less all expenses incurred in connection
therewith shall be paid into the Fund.
(7) The value of the Fund for any of the purposes of
this Agreement shall be the current realisable value of the
whole of the assets held in the Fund, investments of the Fund
being valued at the current market price at the time of valua-

4. (1) The Board shall open and maintain an account Currency Fund
to be called the "Currency Fund Income Account" (herein- Income Account.
after referred to as the "Income Account") into which shall
be paid all dividends, interest or other revenue derived from
investments or from the employment in any other manner of
the moneys of the Fund and all commissions paid to the Board
in connection with the issue or redemption of currency notes
or coin:
Provided that the Currency Fund Income Account
opened and maintained under the First Agreement shall be
deemed to have been opened under this Agreement.
(2) There shall be charged upon the Income Account-
(a) all the expenses other than the expenses referred
to in Article 3 of this Agreement incurred by the
Board and by the Crown Agents in the prepara-
tion, transport, issue, redemption and demonetiza-
tion of currency notes and coin and the trans-
action of any business relating thereto;
(b) any expenses incurred by the Board for the pro-
tection of the currency against counterfeiting or
forgery of coins or notes; and
(c) a sum equal to one per centum of the value
of the Fund at the end of the year calculated in
accordance with paragraph (7) of Article 3 of
this Agreement which shall be paid annually into
the Fund:
Provided that the Board may with the approval of the
Secretary of State direct that any expenditure of an exceptional
nature may be charged upon the Fund and not upon the Income
(3) If on the last, day in any year there is a surplus
in the Income Account it shall be paid to the credit of an
account to be called the "British Caribbean Territories (East-
ern Group) (Currency Surplus) Account" (hereinafter re-

No. 5. Currency. 1959.

ferred to as the "Surplus Account") to be set up as provided
in Article 5 of this Agreement; but if on the last day in any
year there is a deficiency in the Income Account it shall be
met according to the scale prescribed in paragraph (2) of
Article 5 of this Agreement from any sums standing to the
credit of the Governments concerned in the Surplus Account
or from moneys to be appropriated and paid from the revenue
of the Governments. If any Government should default on
any payment due under this paragraph, the amount in default
may. be recovered from any subsequent payment due to that
Government out of the Surplus Account as provided in Article
5 of this Agreement.
Provided that-
(a) if on the last day in any year the face value of
the currency notes and current coifi in circulation
exceeds the value of the Fund calculated in ac-
cordance with paragraph (7) of Article 3 of this
Agreement there shall be paid into the Fund the
whole of the said surplus in the Income Account
or such part thereof as shall make up the monies
of the Fund as aforesaid to an amount equal to
the face value of the currency notes and current
coin in circulation; and
(b) if on the last day in any year the value of the
Fund so calculated exceeds one hundred and ten
per centum of the face value of the currency notes
and current coin in circulation the Board may
with the sanction of the Secretary of State direct-
(i) that the whole or part of the excess over
one hundred and ten per centum shall be
transferred from the Fund to the Income
Account; and
(ii) that the annual appropriation out of the
Income Account of the one per centum
aforesaid shall be wholly or partially dis-
continued for so long as it shall appear that
the necessity for such annual appropria-
tion no longer exists.
British Caribbean 5. (1) There shall be set up a British Caribbean Terri-
Territories (East- stories (Eastern Group) (Currency Surplus) Account, into
rency Surplus) which shall be paid any surplus in the Income Account arising
account. as provided in Article 4 of this Agreement.
(2) The participating Governments shall be entitled to
share in the Surplus Account according to the following scale:-

No. 5. Citrrenoy. 1959.

Trinidad and Tobago
British Guiana
Leeward Islands:
Saint Christopher Nevis and
Windward Islands:
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent

55 per cent
25 ,, ,,
10 ,, ,,

.. 1.8

.. 1.6
.. 0.6

.. 2.4
.. 0.9
.. 1.2
.. 1.5

100 per cent.

100 per cent.

Provided that if, on the expiration of the quinquennial
period commencing from the first day of January, 1956, a new
scale is agreed upon that new scale should be substituted for
the above and shall remain in force until the end of the quin-
quennial period; but provided further that if at the end of
any such quinquennial period no such agreement is reached the
scale then in force shall continue in operation for the next
quinquennial period.
(3) Each of the participating Governments shall au-
thorise from time to time the Board to pay out of its share of
the sums standing to the credit of the Surplus Account its share
of such charges in addition to the charges referred to in Article
4 of this Agreement as the Governments may from time to time
agree should be so paid.
(4) Any balance remaining in the Surplus Account to
the credit of any participating Government at the end of any
year after the payment of any charges as provided in para-
graph (3) of this Article shall be paid to that Government on

6. (1) If the assets of the Fund should at any time prove
inadequate to meet legal demands upon the Board for the con-
version of currency into sterling, each participating Govern-
ment shall be liable to meet any deficiency in the Fund.
(2) If the value of the Fund calculated as provided in
paragraph (7) of Article 3 of this Agreement shall at any time
be less than the face value of the Currency Notes and current
coin in circulation and in the opinion of the Secretary of State
it shall be necessary to make up such deficiency in the Fund

Meeting of
deficiencies in the
Currency Fund.



No. 5.

Nc_,_! Cerrney. "* 1959.

either,'wholly'or partly each participating Government shall be
liable for thU sum which in the opinion of the Secretary of
State is required to be paid into the Fund.
(3) Any liability under paragraphs (1) and (2) of this
Article shall be apportioned between the participating Govern-
ments according to the scale prescribed in paragraph (2) of
Article 5 of this Agreement.
,1 (4) Should one or more of the participating Govern-
ments make default in respect of the above imposed obligation
the other participating Governments shall be liable to make
good such default each in the proportion which its liability as
set out in the scale bears to the total liability of such non-
defaulting Governments:
Provided that in the event of a default being so made
good any sums due thereafter to the defaulting Government or
Governments from the Surplus Account shall be paid to the
Governments which have made good such defaults in the like
proportions until the amount so made good by them has been

7. (1) The accounts of all transactions of the Board shall
be audited once in every year by such persons and in accordance
with such regulations as the Secretary of State may prescribe.
(2) An abstract of such accounts shall be as soon as
may be after such audit published in the Gazette of each
participating Government.
(3) The Board shall on the first day of each month make
up and as soon as may be thereafter publish in the Gazette of
each participating Government an abstract showing the whole
amount of currency notes in circulation on the said day and
the average amount in circulation during the previous month.
(4) The Board shall also publish half yearly in the
Gazette of each participating Government an abstract showing-
(a) the amount of the liquid portion of the Fund;
(b) the nominal value and price paid for and the
latest known market price of the securities belong-
ing to the Fund.
(5) The amount of notes in circulation at a particular
date shall be deemed to be the total nominal amount of notes
issued prior to that date by the Board after deducting the total
nominal amount of notes received by the Board prior to that
(6) The said abstracts shall from time to time and at
least once a quarter be verified by a Board of Survey appointed
in accordance with such regulations as the Secretary of State
may prescribe.

Accounts and

No. 5.


8. Any dispute arising, foinmt' thie i riTr,.atiri.,ii of this
Agreement shall be referred to the Secretary of State -whose
decision shall be final and binding on all the Governnmints c-66W-
9. This Agreement shall replace the First Agreement and
shall be deemed to have had effect as from the first day of July,
1956.. ,
IN WITNESS WHEREOF .the parties hereto have here-

auto set their hands.

Signed by His Excellency ROBERT DUNCAN
Government House, in the City of Bridgetown,
in the Island of Barbados, in the presence of:-
Acting Chief Secretary.
Signed by His Excellency SIR PATRICK
MUIR RENISON, K.C.M.G.4of GoveIMhient
House, in the City of Georgetown, in the
Colony of British Guiana, in the presence of: "
Governor's Secretary.
Signed by His Excellency EDWARD,
O.B.E., of Governmelit Hous;' in the Island
of Tobago, in the presence of:-
28. 1.58. .
Signed by His Excellency ALEXANDER
ment House, in the City of St. John's.ik; theI
Island of Antigua, in the presence of; --.,

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A. N. LEATUAM,_ ... _. ) .. .
Governor's A4 p vi\,,.
Signed by His Excellency COLVILLE,
Government House, in the Tpwn of St. George's, C. M. DEVERELL
in the Island of Grenada, in the presence of:- .11i OQ1\9
Ag. Chief Recretary. o arr /1 -1M1


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A11; -ILULMS 10

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Standard Remedy
Weight Allowance

Part I-
Cupro Nickel

.50 Fifty-cent piece

.25 Twenty-five cent

.10 Ten-cent piece

Part II-
Mixed Metal
.05 Five-cent piece


.02 Two-cent piece

.01 One-cent piece
.005 Half-cent piece


200 1 Piece in Cupro-Nickel
50 (Copper 75%
Nickel 25%)

40 do.

77.16 do. Mixed metal
nickel and

145.83 do. Mixed metal
(Copper, tin
and zinc)
87.5 do. do.
43.75 do. do.

\ Passed the Legislative Council this 4th day of June, 1959.

Clerk of Legislative Council.
(F. 13/1950 IL)

-- [Price 64 cts.]

(Section 5)

tion of
dollar for








No. 5.




1959, No. 30. 2


(Gazetted 8th September, 1959).

1. Short title. These Rules may be cited as the Customs (Southern
Grenadines) Rules, 1959.

2. Interpretation. In these Rules the expression "the Southern
Grenadines" shall mean and include the Island of Canouan and all the Islands
of the Saint Vincent Grenadines to the South thereof.

3. Entry and Clearance of open boats travelling to and
from Grenada. Open boats and canoes leaving any part of the Southern
Grenadines for any part of the Colony of Grenada or its Dependencies must
obtain Clearance from Clifton in Union Island. Open boats and canoes bound
for any part of the Southern Grenadines from any part of the Colony of Grenada
or its Dependencies must arrive at the Government Jetty at either Clifton or
Ashton in Union Island before anchoring at or having communication with any
other part of the Colony of Saint Vincent:
Provided however that open boats or canoes laden with fish or other non-
dutiable cargo may depart from Canouan or Mayreau to any part of the Colony
of Grenada or its Dependencies after obtaining Clearance at Canouan or Mayreau
and without having to obtain Clearance at Union Island.

4. Certificates of Clearance. (1) The Master of every open boat or
canoe leaving Union Island for any part of the Colony of Grenada or its Depen-
dencies must, before his departure, obtain from a Customs Officer at Clifton a
Certificate of Clearance, duly filled in, which shall be in the form I in the
Schedule to these Rules. The Master shall not permit any cargo, passengers
or baggage to be carried except such as is stated on the Certificate of Clearance.
(2) The Master of every open boat or canoe departing from Canouan or
Mayreau with fish or other non-dutiable cargo for any part of the Colony of
Grenada or its Dependencies shall before his departure obtain from the Customs
Officer, or Police Officer, as the case may be, at Canouan or Mayreau, two Certifi-
cates of Clearance duly filled in which Certificates shall be in the form II in the
Schedule to these Rules. One of such Certificates shall be delivered at the
port of destination and the other shall be produced at Union Island on the
return voyage.

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/- J'

5. Master to report on arrival. (1) The Master of every open
toat or canoe arriving at Union Island from any part of the Colony of Grenada
or its Dependencies shall, on arrival, report immediately to a Police or Customs
Officer and shall deliver up his Clearance.
(2) The Police or Customs Officer shall examine such boat or canoe before
allov.wing it to proceed elsewhere, and no passenger, cargo or baggage may be
landed before such examination.

(. Master to, give information. Every Master reporting his arri-
val or obtaining Clearance as aforesaid shall truthfully answer all rniestions put
to him by the Police or Customs Officer, as the case may be, concerning the boat,
cargo, passengers and crew, and shall, if required, give his answers in writing and
sign his name thereto.

7. Nothing to be carried except stated in Certificate of
Clearance. The Master of an open boat or canoe shall not permit any crew,
passengers or cargo to be carried to or from the Southern Grenadines except
such as is stated on the Certificate of Clearance.

8. Procedure in respect of goods not reported. Goods not
duly reported may be seized and detained until the same are reported and the
cause of omission explained to the satisfaction of the Collector of Customs, and
such goods may in the meantime, should it be deemed necessary, be removed to a
warehouse or other Government building; and if the Collector of Customs shall
not be satisfied with the explanation given such goods shall be forfeited. When-
ever the Master of any canoe or boat is charged with being liable to any penalty
under these Rules a Customs Officer may seize such canoe or boat and act in
accordance with the provisions of Part XI of the Customs Ordinance, (Cap. 183) :
Provided that there shall be a right of appeal on this point to the Governor in

9. Penalty. Any person who contravenes or fails to comply with any
of the provisions of these Rules shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on
summary conviction to a fine not exceeding two hundred and forty Dollars.

10. Revocation. The following enactments are hereby revoked:-
(a) The Rules made by the Governor in Council under the authority of
Section 21 of the Customs Ordinance on the 15th day of October,
(b) Rules made by the Governor in Council under the authority of Sec-
tion 21 of the Customs Ordinance on the 9th day of October, 1936;
(c) The Customs (Union Island) Rules, 1944 (S.R. & 0. 1944, No. 80).

THURSDAY, 30TH JULY, 1959, AT 10.00 A.M.

His Honour A. F.-GILES, Administrator, President,
The Honourable B. F. DIAS, Crown Attorney,
B. R. THOMAS, Financial Secretary,
,, ,, A. C. CYRUS, First Nominated Member,
,, ,, E. T. JOSHUA, Member for Central Windward, Minister for
1. Trade and Production,
,, ,, H. A. HAYNES, Member for St. George, Minister for Social
,, ,, S. E. SLATER, Member for North Leeward, Minister for Com-
munications and Works.
. E. S. CAMPBELL, Member for Kingstown,-
,, ,, C. L. TANNIS, Member for the Grenadines,
,, ,, H. F. YOUNG, Member for South Leeward,
,, ,, L. C. LATHAM, Member for South Windward,
,, ,, A. B. DosSANTOS, Second Nominated Member,
,, ,, Mrs. I. I. JOSHUA, Member for North Windward,
,, ,, A. C. HADLEY, Third Nominated Member.

The President opened the meeting with the reading of prayers.

Before proceeding to the Order of the Day, the President announced that
there was one matter to which he desired to draw the attention of Honourable
Members of the House. The matter, he said, did not call for immediate action,
but it was necessary for Members to begin to apply their minds to the problem
and to consider what their future policy should be. He then referred to para-
graph 57 of the Report by the Leeward and Windward Islands Constitutional
Conference which read as follows:
"57. The Conference also agreed that the redistribution of constitu-
encies entailed by these constitutional changes would in each Territory
be undertaken by a bi-partisan Commission appointed by the respective
Legislative Council but not necessarily from among the Members of that
Legislative Council; and that it would be presided over by an independent
Chairman appointed by the Administrator of the Territory concerned.
The bi-partisan Commission should be instructed to present its Report
to the Government of the Territory concerned by 31st March, 1960, and
its recommendations would be enacted in each Territory by 1st June, 1960."

The Honourable Minister for Trade and Production, seconded by the
Honourable Minister for Social Services moved the following Motion standing
in his name on the Order Paper:
WHEREAS it is provided by section 11 of the Banana Growers Associa-
tion Ordinances 1954-1958 (Suspension of Operation) Ordinance, 1958,
that the said Ordinance should continue in force until the 31st day of
January, 1959, and may be continued in force for a further period or
periods of six months at any time by resolution of the Legislative Council:
AND WHEREAS by Resolution of the Legislative Council passed on the
23rd day of January, 1959, it was resolved that the said Banana Growers
Association Ordinances 1954-1958 (Suspension of Operation) Ordinance,
1958, should be continued in force until the 31st day of July, 1959:
AND WHEREAS it is deemed expedient that the said Ordinance should
continue in force for a further period of five months from the 1st day of
August, 1959:
BE IT RESOLVED that the said Banana Growers Association Ordinances
1954-1958 (Suspension, of Operation) Ordinance, 1958 be continued in
force until the 31st day of December, 1959.
After a lengthy debate the Motion was put to the vote and carried unani-

On the motion for adjournment the President said that he wished to cor-
rect a slight misapprehension which might have arisen concerning the Banana
Enquiry Report which was to be laid on the Table at the next Meeting of
Council. The Report, he said, as printed in the Vincentian, in co-operation
with the Government Printery, was a full and accurate copy, and on behalf
of Government he wished to thank the Vincentian newspaper for its assistance
in publishing the Report which was of enormous importance to St. Vincent.
In one or two copies of the newspaper the Report was somewhat illegible, but
that, he stated, was unavoidable when such a large Report had to be published
in this way. Copies of the Report with all appendices would, however, be
shortly available for sale to the public.
The Meeting adjourned sine dic at 12.50 p.m.


Confirmed this 3rd day of September, 1959.


AT 10.00 A.M.

His Honour A. F. GIUEs, Administrator, President,
The Honourable B. F. DIAS, Crown Attorney,
. B. R. THOMAS, Financial Secretary,
S A. C. CYRUS, First Nominated Member,
to E. T. JOSHUA, Member for Central Windward, Minister for Trade
and Production,
. H. A. HAYNES, Member for St. George, Minister for Social Services,
S. E. SLATER, Member for North Leeward, Minister for Communi-
cations and Works,
S. C. L. TANNIS, Member for the Grenadines,
I. H. F. YOUNG, Member for South Leeward,
. L. C. LATHAM, Member for South Windward,
. A. B. DOSSANTOS, Second Nominated Member,
SE. S. CAMPBELL, Member for Kingstown,
S. Mrs. I. I. JOSHUA, Member for North Windward,
A. C. HADLEY, Third Nominated Member.

The President opened the Meeting with the reading of prayers.

Minutes of the Meeting held on 9th July, 1959 copies of which had been pre-
viously circulated were taken as read and were confirmed.

There were no announcements.

There were no notices of Motions.

The Honourable Member for South Leeward gave notice of the following
1. Will the Minister for Communications and Works please state how much
was spent from the amount of Sixty-four thousand dollars voted for oiling
the Palmiste Road?

No Petitions were Dresented.

The Honourable Crown Attorney laid the following Council Papers on the
Council Paper No. 22 of 1959: Report of the Department of Labour for the
year 1958.
Council Paper No. 23 of 1959: The Aid to Pioneer Industries (Re-manu-
facture of Worn Motor Vehicle Tyres) Order, 1959.
Council Paper No. 24 of 1959: The Magistrates (Places for Sittings of
Courts) Order.
Council Paper No. 25 of 1959: Report of the Commission of Enquiry into the
affairs of the St. Vincent Banana Growers' Association.
Council Paper No. 26 of 1959: Report by the Leeward and Windward
Islands Constitutional Conference

The Honourable Member for Kingstown said that in view of the fact that
since he had given notice of his Question in the House copies of the Banana
Enquiry Report had been circulated to Members, he would ask to be allowed to
withdraw his Question, and did so.
The Honourable Member for the Grenadines asked the following Questions
standing in his name on the Order Paper:
1. Is Government aware of the fact that severe drought has damaged the
entire corn and peas crop of the Southern Grenadines?
S2. Will Government release an additional amount of funds for the main-
tenance of Roads so that certain amounts of people could get employ-
If the answer is in the negative; will Government investigate the
possibility of sending rations to the hard pressed people of these islands?
The Honourable Minister for Trade and Production replied as follows:
1 & 2. A report has been received from the District Officer Southern Grena-
dines indicating that these islands have indeed suffered severely this year
from drought. An investigation at Ministerial level will be made to decide
what action it would be appropriate for this Government to take.

Q. 3. Will the Minister for Trade and Production state whether there will be
a drop in the price per pound of the cotton crop this year?
The Honourable Minister for Trade and Production replied as follows:
It is not known what price will be offered by the Spinners for the 1959/60
Cotton Crop, but the prospects are regrettably poor. Government is
maintaining close touch with the St. Vincent Cotton Association in this
The Honourable Member for the Grenadines seconded by the Honourable
Member for South Leeward moved the following Motion standing in his name on
the Order Paper.
WHEREAS at the request of the Government Delegation, St. Vincent was
given nine elected seats instead of ten as was given to other islands with
the exception of Dominica and Montserrat which were given eleven and seven

BE IT RESOLVED that the Secretary of State be requested to make provi-
sions for ten elected seats in the Constitutional Instruments for St. Vincent
instead of nine.
After a lengthy debate the Motion was put to the vote with the following
results: 3-7 with 3 abstentions.
For Against
Hon. C. L. Tannis Hon. E. T. Joshua
,, H. F. Young. ,, H. A. Haynes
SL. C. Latham ,, S. E. Slater
Mrs. I. I. Joshua
A. B. dosSantos
,A. C. Hadley
E. S. Campbell
Hon. B. F. Dias
SB. R. Thomas
,, A. C. Cyrus
The Motion was therefore lost.
Council adjourned at 12.55 p.m. for the luncheon interval until 2.30 p.m.

Council resumed at 2.30 p.m.
All Members were present as in the forenoon with the exception of the
President, the Honourable Member for the Grenadines and the Honourable
Member for Kingstown.
The Honourable First Nominated Member, Deputy President, took the chair.

10. BILLS.
The following Bills were introduced and read a First time.
The Examination and Exportation of Produce Bill.
The Kingstown Board (Amendment) Bill.
The Adoption of Children Bill.

On the Motion for adjournment the following Members spoke on the subjects
as indicated hereunder:
The Honourable Member for South Leeward:
Doctor for South Leeward.
Electricity for Clinic at South Leeward.
Farm and Trade School.
The Honourable Minister for Trade and Production:
Statement made by Honourable Member for Kingstown at the Legisla-
tive Council Meeting of 9th July, 1959.
Report of the Commission of Enquiry into the Affairs of the St. Vincent
Banana Growers' Association.
The Honourable Member for South Windward:
Fire at Fair Hall Boys' Approved School.

Report of the Commission of Enquiry into the Affairs of the St. Vincent
Banana Growers' Association.
Richland Park Government School.
The Honourable Member for North Leeward:
Statement concerning the Honourable Minister for Trade and Production
made by the Honourable Member for Kingstown at the Legislative
Council Meeting of 9th July, 1959.
Remarks made by the Honourable Member for South Windward concern-
ing the Report of the Commission of Enquiry into the Affairs of the
St. Vincent Banana Growers' Association.
The Meeting adjourned sine die at 3.30 p.m.


Confirmed this 3rd day of September, 1959.


N o ....................................

Permit to open boats and canoes to take passengers and/or
cargo, outside the territorial waters of the Colony.

N a m e o f c r a f t................................... ..................................................................................................................................................

R e g is te r e d N u m b e r...................................................................................................................................................................................

N a m e O w n e r ...............................................................................................................................................................................................

N a m e o f p e rso n in ch a rg e ..................................................................................................................................................................

D e sc rip tio n o f c r a ft....................................................................................................................................................................................

The above craft is authorised to depart from Union Island on.....................................

...................................... ... .. a n d to ca ll at ................................ ..................................... ...........a n d to rem a in

th ere for th e p u rp ose of..................................... ...............................un til............................. .................................

T Y P E O F C A R G O (If an y ) .................................................................... ............... ........................... ....................

Number of Passengers. Number of Crew.

D a t e .................................................................................... ..........................................................................................................
Date..................................... .................... ......................

District Officer. N.C.O. of Police.
Names of passengers and crew are to be written on the back of this permit.

Names of Passengers. Names of Crew.

This permit must be produced to the Port and Immigration Authorities on
arrival at, and immediately before departure from, your port of destination in
Grenada or Carriacou; and to any member of the Police Forces or Customs
Departments of St. Vincent or Grenada.
This permit must be surrendered to the Police or Customs immediately on
your return to Union Island.




I the Customs Officer at Canouan

(or Mayreau) do hereby certify that the boat

day on a voyage to

passengers and cargo on board:-

being her Master is departing this

with the following-crew,

Crew. Passengers. Cargo.

Dated this

day of

Customs Offlcer.

Made by the Governor in Council under the authority of Section 21 of the
Customs Ordinance (Cap. 183) this 28th day of August, 1959.

Clerk of Executive Council.
(S. 7/1943).

[Price 16 cents.]



13th Sitting

Thursday, 7th June, 1956.

The Honourable Legislative Council met at 10 o'clock this morning.
[MR. PRESIDENT in the Chair]
The Honourable B. F. DIAS, Acting Crown Attorney,
,, A. D. W. JOHNSON, Acting Financial Secretary,
.. ,, E. A. C. HUGHES, First Nominated Member,
S.. J. A. BAYNES, Member for St. George.
,, ,, G. H. CHARLES, Member for Central Windward, (Minister for
Social Services), \
. A. C. CYaus, Second Nominated Member,
,, ,, E.. T. JOSHUA, Member for North Windward,
8. E. SLATER, Member for North Leeward,
to C. L. TANNIS, Member for the Grenadines, (Minister for Com-
munications and Works),
L. C. LATHAM, Member for South Windward,
A. B. (_, DOSSANTOS, Third Nominated Member,

The Honiourable R. E. BAYNES, Member for Kingstown, (Minister for Trade and
Production) (Out of the Colony.)
,, H. F. YOUNG, Member for South Leeward (out of the Colony.).


The Minutes of the Meetings of the
3rd May, 1956, copies of which were cir-
culated were taken as read and were


The Education Report

HON. L. C. LATHAM: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I beg leave to give
notice of the following motion.

"WHEREAS the Education report for
the Colony for the year 1954 which was
recently released shows that the stand-
ard of attainment of the majority of
Primary Schools in the Colony is un-
AND WHEREAS there is obvious dis-
satisfaction among the rank and file
of the Primary School Teachers, hence
the very unsatisfactory result in the
schools as pointed out in the report
under review.
BE IT RESOLVED that a Commission
be appointed at the earliest possible

date and the necessary enquiry Into
the Education system of the Colony be
carried out with a view to remedy the
weakness revealed in the 1954 Report
on the Education of the Colony."
Mr. President, Honourable Members, I
shall like to ask leave at the appropriate
time that this motion be debated today
and that the Standing Rules and Orders
be suspended to permit this.
The Honourable Crown Attorney laid
on the Table the following papers:-
Council Paper No. 24 of 1956: FI-
nance Meeting of 31st January, 1956.
Council Papar No. 25 of 1956: FI-
nance Meeting of 9th February, 1956.
Council Paper No. 26 of 1956: Fi-
nance Meeting of 28th February,
Council Paper No. 27 of 1956: FI-
nance Meeting of 27th March, 1956.
Council Paper No. 28 of 1956: Report
of Commission of Enquiry on the
Sugar Industry of St. Vincent.
Council Paper No. 29 of -1956: The
Plant Protection (Amendment) Re-
gulations, 1956.


Schedule of Additional Expenditure
President, Honourable Members, I beg
to move that this Council approve the
Schedule of Additional Expenditure re-
quired to meet expenditure in excess of
the 1955 Estimates for the period -1st
October to 31st December, 1955.
to second the motion.
Question put and agreed.
Strikes of the North Windward areas,
Commission of Enquiry into
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: Mr. President,
Honourable Members,
"BE IT RESOLVED that an impartial
inquiry by commission be set up to

inquire into the causes and occurr-
ences in strikes of the North Wind-
ward areas from 11th March to 19th
May, 1956."
This motion seeks to do something
which every Member of this House would
be disposed to see reason. If that rea-
son is not shown, well it is left for the
community to see why that reason
wasn't shown. The strikes of the North
Windward area occurring from 11th
March to 19th May, occurrences that
took place therein, rny responsible gov-
erment, any responsible community
would expect that in other countries
where matters of the kind occur that
there should be some investigation there-
in. Whatever steps the workers chose
to take that was their business. The
question concerns this House and this
House alone as far as, this is concerned.
Before I embark .on the debate, I
should like to say this, that a motion of
the kind must entail substance and in
submitting that substance, I trust and
hope that we will adopt as much parlia-
mentary procedure and as much impar-
tiality as we will note to befitting such a
The question is that the whole sub-
stance of this motion goes back as far
as the year 1952 or, in other words, crop
years of the Mount Bentinck, 1952-1953.
Around that period when election was
held in this country under adult suf-
frage, for the first time in our history,
under such a government then as it
began, I would not say Members were
zealous or over-zealous, but certain fixed
programmes were made for industrialis-
ing this country in truth, so that this
country would run so far as it concerned
our sugar factories and we would have
a Central Sugar Factory. If we meant
anything like industrialization it was
only necessary, if we meant to grow
canes in this country, that that should
have been done. All the facts, all the
particulars, all the round-table confer-
ences were held and for some unknown
reason the plan was stalled and Mount
Bentinck remained the sole profit
monopoly of sugar in this country,

It would hinge along those particular
points, it would hinge along the lines
of labour, it would hinge along the line
of wages if it Involved labour, therefore,
such a debate would entail some sub-
stance In bringing it to this House. We
are accustomed to having Legislative
Council meetings last for a few hours or
a day, we have never been accustomed
to see a Legislative Council meeting run
for 7 days whereas the business of this
colony must be put through, but if this
motion seeks to take some time in put-
ting its substance before this Honourable
House, it is only that the facts would
have been placed here and it is for you
to reject those facts or leave them or
support them so that you may have in
this country a recognition of the equity,
the ethics of labour and the conditions
concerning labour or labourers and em-
ployment of labour.
The causes, as one newspaper puts it,
are not known. To have in a country a
total strike in an industry or industries,
to have in a country complete, complete,
close-down of industry where workers
are symetrical In their demands, to
have in a country a peaceful strike and
then afterwards out of the blue occur-
ences did take place, those things are
obvious to the eyes of reasonable men
and call for an investigation.
Because it is known and it is true
that in Great Britain and Northern Ire-
land when strikes occur the first thing
that happens is not the shadow of a
gun or a bayonet before the English
worker, but the first thing that happens
is that peaceful picketing takes place
and police mficers appear to be, as
usual, custodians or guardians of the
peace. But in the Colonial Empire, not
in the Commonwealth, it is not so.
It is impossible as far as we have
seen to sever strikes which is the sub-
stantial part after all means of negoti-
ations fall. The weapon is a well esta-
blished principle, if not a lawful one, of
Trade Unionism throughout the British
Commonwealth, if not throughout the
British Colonial Empire. We are part of
Britain's Colonial Empire, we are not
part of the Commonwealth of Nations,

and of course, that makes the difference
and you may appreciate the motion that
is now before this Honourable House.
In the year 1952, the workers make
certain demands to the Mount Bentinck
Sugar Company to be recognized, organ-
ised workers; to have protection in
trade; to have the facilities accorded
not serfs, not slaves, but workers a host
employed as labour. The question of
the Council Paper just laid as Council
Paper No. 2& of 1956-a Report of the
Sugar Industry at page 30, Appendix II,
of the Memorandum of the Federated
Industrial and Agricultural Workers
Union-I qoute from this Report, page
30, whence I will take a part of this
Report which form the importance and
the relevant part of it:-
HoN. E. A. C. HuGHEs: Page 30?
HON. E. T. JosHUA: 37, 38, 39. It is
printed badly.
"Mrs. J. B. Punnett,
Mt. Bentinck Estates Limited,
Mt. Bentinck,
Saint Vincent, B.W.I.

Dear Madam,
Further to our letter of 5th Decem-
ber, 1952 of negotiating understanding
by collective bargaining for our workers
employed at the Mt. Bentinck Estates
Ltd., for the forthcoming crops, we are
to state that the attached document
gives the figures on which the 1951-52
crops were based with relevant proposed
increases to be negotiated for 1952-53
crops. This increase is reasonably work-
ed out on the fact, that figures repre-
senting the last three crops, no appreci-
able Increase commensurate with world
tendency and Empire prices for sugar
was received by the sugar workers in
St. Vincent, B.WI. and this will be
clearly seen on your checking back on
statistics from the Ministry of Food of
which, St. Vincent sugar producers are
no exception.

This negotiation is based on the sys-
tem of peaceful collective bargaining.
Hence we hope that the negotiation will
be carried out in the spirit in which it
is intended, and the best of relationship
with due regard for the position of the
workers in that industry.
Conditions in the industry as far as
the wages of the sugar workers are con-
cerned; basing our deductions on figures
which have been supplied to us from
neighboring West Indian Colonies and
from elsewhere, the attached document
takes all these circumstances into ac-
count and have asked the approximate
increases based on 30 per cent worked
out for all classes of workers employed
by the Mt. Bentinck Estates.
We advocate the "close shop" system
to be adopted, so that in the present cir-
cumstances and a stipulated agreement,
the industry may have complaints from
workers adjusted with a little disruption
as possible.
We advocate time and a half for our
workers for Sundays and public holdiays,
on the rates stipulated for 1952-53.
When we consider that there is no
security for any grade of workers in in-
dustry here; and the general gratuity
paid to sugar workers after a fixed num-
ber of years of service, does not exist in
St. Vincent, hence this modest increase
for our workers are considered just and
This industry is run mainly on the
crop system, and for all practical pur-
poses, the workers are always treated
as temporary workers, and this appears
to be true for all grades of workers your
Company employ. We therefore advo-
cate a system of gratuity for employees
who have given years of service to such
an industry.
Compensation for injuries received or
sustained when the time comes to nego-
tiate this agreement, will be considered
as per the Workmen's Compensation
The above Union trusts that all parties
concerned, will adopt reasonable atti-
tudes, so that an industry which means

so much to this Colony employer or em-
ployee alike, depote themselves as part-
ners to a common agreement".
That was a document submitted to
the Manager-Director of the Mount Ben-
tinck Estates Ltd. in 1952-53. It was
quite obvious when the charges were
laid that no notice, nothing at all what-
ever, was given to Mount Bentinck refer-
ring to negotiations or for recognition
of the Union at all. But from this docu-
ment on page 38 of the Jolly Sugar Re-
port, it would seem as clear as crystal
that that is not true. The clear fact
that in the area of the North Windward
where the only Union exists one would
have thought that it would have been
easier to have the workers' protection in
that industry, as there was not a ques-
tion of rival Unions confusing the em-
ployers in that industry as to who had
the majority or who were supposed to
represent the workers' claim in that in-
dustry. There was nothing of the kind.
But we do know that for a long period of
time in the Mount Bentinck careful steps
were taken to victimise and to remove
from the industry men and women who
were known to be Members of the Trade
Several repeated complaints were
made to the Labour Department, a De-
partment that seems impotent to do
anything.in that direction as to protect
or even investigate cases of complaint
so that a court proceeding may take
place on behalf of the worker or that
proper steps be taken to avoid unnecs-.
sary pouring out of workers from indus-
try merely because they were Trade
It is the other way around, the
T.U.C. of England is reluctant to have
you in an industry when you are not a
Uninoist, but in St. Vincent you are
thrown out of the industry when you
are a Unionist so that you may have
non-Unionists so that never in the his-
tory of this country any collective bar-
gaining can take place but instead Wage
Councils set up to perpetuate minimum
wages here for the workers so that the
minimum wage of pay in this country

according to the tendency of the Labuor
Department should remain the maxi-
mum wage ad infinitum.
The question of the 1952 dispute was
to show proof that the Union represent-
ed a majority of workers in that indus-
try. Proof was necessary and vitally
necessary where there were rival Unions;
proof was necessary to ascertain whether
the Members who claimed to be Mem-
bers of the Union were in fact Members
of the Union; proof was necessary there-
fore; but if malice bears down proof
and there was no sincerity at all in any
protection for workers pretext would be
found to thwart the effort by the ques-
tion of what is left of victimisation so
that (1) Union dues may not be paid, or
(2) you may not be in the majority in
that industry. But men who are not
organised in the Union are preferred to
work. Men have lost their livelihood
through trying to be in Unions in St.
When you have a Trade Union Ordi-
nance, when it is said that government
is trying to do everything to encourage
Trade Unionism in the country. That
might be a statement in theory.
The question now went on. In 1952,
after a series of letters were passed, the
Labour Commissioner seemed now to be,
an Empire. It happened that the Com-
pany took no notice whatever of the
workers' demands and the only inevi-
table course was, the workers in fact
and in truth, went on strike. Out of the
blue, Joshua was arrested-the Leader
of the Union, on the 20th day of Decem-
ber. This letter dates the 14th of
December and this letter refers to the
5th of December, therefore you can see
the presumption of these dates. Out
of the blue, six days after we were com-
ing to a final point of negotiations,
Joshua was lured in the Police Barracks
and arrested, charged with public mis-
chief and sedition in times of peace.
The Mount Be-htinck workers were told
during that time of January 1953, "Your
Leader has gone to jail, if you do not
get back to work, you lose your job".
Thus that strike was broken in 1953

because it is quite clear from the tenor
of this letter that sufficient steps were
taken that if a Company had any in-
tention at all to give organised protec-
tibn to labourers and factory workers
they employ it would have been the
easiest thing to get .about the meander-
ings of the Mount Bentinck Sugar Com-
pany on this, showing proof that the
Union did in fact represent the majority
of workers.
The mere fact is and I believe that
we have a right in this Council to listen
to the facts of a motion calling for a
Commission of Enquiry. The mere fact
was that as soon as there was a division
between the workers in that industry,
that is to say, as soon as there was no
cohesion between the factory workers
and the field workers, Mount Bentinck
didn't mind that because it was shown
that they would take no heed of the
cane-cutters for instance because cane
farmers would drogue cane from all over
the island and because they would
drogue those canes from all over the
island, they claim or pretend they don't
care anything about their canes. And
out of the blue you would just see the
sky paint red at certain times of the
year and cane fields after cane fields
razed to the ground. Then that is the
symbol for police terror to reap those
canes by emergency. So for many
crops the Mount Bentinck Estates oper-
ate in the North Windward area, to the
exclusion of any organised labour what-
soever in the country, with the full con-
nivance of the Labour Department.
That's 1952-53 affair.
Between the years 1952-53 crop,
1953-54 crop, 1954-55 crop there was an
incessant knocking at the doors of the
Mount Bentinck Sugar Company for the
recognition of the Federated Industrial
and Agricultural Workers' Union as a
means of staging conditions of work
and trade in that industry.
It would be surprising, Members of
this Council, to know there is no pro-
tection whatsoever for the worker in
the Mount Bentinck Sugar Factory. A
factory that has a 7-roller mill, an up-

to-date factory, that turned out in
1952-53 crop, the same year when there
was a great fight to keep any protection
of the worker in Mount Bentinck out.
The Mount Bentinck Sugar Factory
made $116,425.71, but to avoid a 30%
increase in the labourer's pay roll by
collective bargaining caused a lot of
trouble, unnecessary expense and actual
disaster even to ask a simple request
under a civilised government. Thus
ended the first episode.
There are other episodes of the other
crops. Since it was that Mount Ben-
tinck showed vengence and, those who
went on strike in the factory and in the
fields in 1952, purged them, there were
long lists of names passed to the Labour
Commissioner. All the Labour Commis-
sioner could say was "I-can't make any-
body employ you and I can't prevent
them from firing you and I can't pre-
vent you from leaving". That was the
explanation. The victimisation was rife.
No man takes the blame. Each man me-
anders himself out of pluck from taking
the blame and so many workers were
deprived, because of that strike, of liv-
ing. It took again three solid crops
before there was some complete unity
in that industry to approach Mount
Bentinck a second time.
Before the beginning of this year, In
December, before any crops of arrowroot
or canes were started, the Federated In-
dustrial and Agricultural Workers Union
wrote to every estate in the area. It
sent copies of these documents to the
Labour Commissioner for certification.
It sent copies of those documents to the
Administrator for certification, and still
these Companies would have the heart
to promulgate and stress, and the Gov-
ernment, that they knew nothing that
there were demands upon them by
It was quoted in one of the letters and
I ask permission to read a letter from
the Mount Bentinck Estates Ltd. dated
19th December, 1955, in reply to one sent
to them asking that we should have
peaceful reaping of crops and an ac-
knowledgement of Trade Union rights
for their workers this time for the crop

to come. It was dated the 19th of
December. This is to bear my state-
ment out that all these estates were
circularised. Time was wasted to cir-
cularise these estates so that they have
knowledge what was again the demands
of the only Union functioning in the
area. It was:
"Mt. Bentinck Estates Ltd.,
Lot 19,
Bay Street,
The Federatd Industrial and
Agricultural Workers Union,
Middle Street,
Dear Sir,
I thank you for your letter of the
10th December, 1955, and regret the de-
lay in replying which was due to my,
having been away to Trinidad. I great-
ly welcome your wish that the 1956 crop
should be peaceably reaped and assure
you that this Company is intent on im-
plementing clear conditions and a pro-
per understanding with its workers.
You will, no doubt, understand that the
situation with St. Vincent in the Com-
monwealth Sugar industry has up to
now been unfavourable in that it has
been necessary to sell a relatively large
proportion on the world market at a
considerable loss. Great efforts have in
the past been made to obtain a better
position. Although we have not yet
heard of the final outcome of the Com-
monwealth Sugar Associations discus-
sions recently held in London we have
good grounds for hoping that our claims
would receive satisfaction,
In addition to this, the Mt. Bentinck
Factory has been extensively modernised
over the past five or six years at a very
great expense. In order to reduce manu-
facturing costs and to enable more to be
paid to the workers and also to the
farmers, who grow three-quarters of the
cane milled, this modernisation of the
factory is only now beginning to bear
fruit and it is the confident hope of the
management that it will, in the future,

enable the general working conditions
of the sugar industry to improve
We, like yourself, are awaiting the pub-
lication of the Report of the recent Com-
mission of Enquiry into Agricultural
wages and conditions and we hope that
it will suggest a solution to the problems
that have in the past led to misunder-
We could sit there. This is the Manag-
ing Director of the Mt. Bentinck Estates
Ltd. as a reply to letters of collective
bargaining and peaceful negotiations
with his Company.
He referred in this letter to the Sugar
Report, obviously, because he could not
have been referring to the Malone's
General Workers' Report. He was obvi-
ously referring to the Jolly Report, but
despite the fact that "we, like yourself,
are awaiting the publication of the Re-
port of the recent Commission of En-
quiry into Agricultural wages and con-
ditions", notwithstanding, we have now
to take those words written on the 19th
December, 1955, not merely as hypocrisy
but as equivocations, in that these Re-
ports came to this island after workers
in the street knew that there was a
report made by the Commissioners, and
submitted to this Government. When
workers in the street knew that, I, as a
Councillor, knew nothing at all about
it. And then I made a fatal error or a
fortunate error of tabling four queries in
this Council agitating the Government
as to whether in fact a report was in
this country or not and if they had even
the intention to publish those reports in
the nearest future. Then the answer
was given by the President of the Coun-
cil. But here we find, in this letter of
the 19th December, the Managing Direc-
tor was anxious to have that Report and
in having that Report it was set aside,
and they, in communication which this
Council will hear hereafter, made the
Malone Report the symbol of the Sugar
Industry worship.
The question now arises as to whether
this Council could believe that there
was no knowledge given to Mt. Bentinck.
Strikes were just sprung upon them and

they didn't know what the workers
struck for. The "Vincentian", the in-
spired mouthpiece of the plantocracy,
didn't know what it was to have the
reason for the strike. All they knew
was that the workers just went on strike
without having made any demands at
all. There was no press to reply to that
and if there was no press to reply to
that, the workers all over the world,
sugar companies all over the world, gov-
ernment all over the world must believe
that. "It was that there was cause and
we go back to 1952.
The fight was, from 1952, 1953, 1954,
1955, 1956, for recognition and for a col-
lective bargaining with comparatively
low sugar wages. It happened that in
this letter it was spoken of about con-
siderable expense of machinery but if
you turn to page 1 of the Jolly's Report,
you will see a far different story there.
In this Report you will see quite a differ-
ent picture, and it will tell us-just now
I shall quote from it-that from the
years 1945 to 1954 Mt. Bentinck made
substantial net profits. It would tell us
that the sugar consumer, everyone of us
who was alive in 1954 right back to a
date when Mt. Bentinck had clumsy roll-
ers and claimed that they could not
make efficient sugar to compete, every
consumer of sugar in this country, bore
the burden of Mt. Bentinck Sugar
Company Ltd., because of the levy on
sugar locally.
Although the Government of St. Vin-
cent with the taxes, Income Tax and
House Tax that we pay subsidized lump
sums of money to Mt. Bentinck, all
this time the control of sugar, put it in
such a fashion, that the sugar could
have landed from the neighboring West
Indian islands and sold here for 25%
cheaper than what sugar is sold for
from Mt. Bentinck here. But despite
that, in the very year when $116,425.71
was made by Mt. Bentinck as net profits,
the Government met and increased the
price of local sugar in the Executive
Council of the land. The opposition of
one voice put in a record is useless.
Mr. Jolly said, if you read his Report,
that Mt. Bentinck could not attempt to

pay a higher dividend than 8% without
forcing the Government to reduce the
price of local sugar. But the Govern-
nent did not do that, they increased the
price of local sugar instead on the
,o-nsumer's head.
I am reading from page 1, Honourable
gentlemen, paragraph 4:
"The Company has received support
and protection from Government
throughout the last nine years. From
1946-48 the Company received a cash
subsidy of 1/2c per pound on Dark
Crystals sold for local consumption
and in the three years, 1946, 1947, and
1948, received a total of $36,000 from
public funds. In 1948-49 export was
re-commenced and assistance was
given to the industry in the form of
controlled prices. The "basis" for
arriving at the controlled price was
an ex factory price .....
bhe price is left out here
which would be the amount to repre-
sent the net London preferential price
inclusive of all increases and that
(your) Company (would) also then
be allowed to add to this London price
loading and distribution charges to be
agreed upon. Although this state-
ment appears to give the exact me-
thod of calculation, we cannot recon-
cile the prices in the accounts exactly
nor can we find any calculation in
Government files".
Paragraph 6:
"The Company is to be commended
on pursuing a thrifty policy of turning
back a proportion of its profits into
the business".
[n other words, Gentlemen, that is
known in high accounting as capitalising
ret profits.
"The Directors have pointed out to
u.s that the profits are the earnings of
their own Company which they can
dispose of as they wish. There are,
however, reservations to this commen-
dation. The Company could not in
nractice have distributed much more

than an 8 per cent dividend without
encouraging the Government to reduce
the support price of local sugar; the
Company's investment of profits has
been entirely in machinery installed
in its own factory and not at all, as
far as we can ascertain, in less tangi-
ble assets such as the improvement of
labour relations, of cane varieties, bf
cane farmers' services, etc. The extra
profits were made entirely out of the
suppliers of cane. It is a happy posi-
tion that the Company has been able
to improve its factory, but it must be
remembered that the improvement
was made without any real depriva-
tion of the shareholders".
Then later on in this debate you will
see a plausible excuse this Government
makes in the second episode of this de-
bate before this Honourable House call-
ing for an investigation in the causes
and occurrences in the strike. Before it
is shown clearly before our eyes, Gentle-
men, you can well afford to turn to page
20 of the Jolly Sugar .Report. This
Sugar Report shows us in its second
episode which nearly threatened to be
more serious than the first because in
the first episode only life and liberty of
the Trade Union Leader was threatened
but in the second episode the life and
liberty of the subject was threatened.
That is why the second episode is more
serious than the first. If you turn to
page 20 you will find here a Table
of the net profits of the Mt. Bentinck
Estates Ltd.
Apart from subsidies, that the Direc-
tors told, boastfully told, the Commis-
sioners that will go on as long as Mt.
Bentinck turned its wheels. So then
this Government tells us of industrialisa-
tion; it tells us of increased production;
this Government tells of all those fairy-
land tales but this Government is power-
less to do anything to see that the
machinery necessary for that industri-
alisation to be placed in this country to
take the poor canefarmers away from
tyrany and agony being ground in their
tons of cane into powder in the indus-
trial machinery of Mt. Bentinck.

You have here on page 20 of this Re-
port of the Sugar Commission, 1955, in
that Report it shows us from a period
where Mt. Bentinck recovered itself,
caught itself there, and we have already
dealt with what Mt. Bentinck subsidy is
worth, controlled price of sugar and so
on, so that you can/now compare that
with catching itself for export again.
In the figures in this Table 5-Profits
of Dividends-you find here for three
consecutive crop years-in 1945 $34,686.55
was made. In crop year 1946/47,
$47,382.87. These are, Gentlemen, net
profits. When your secret reserves are
made, when all those high accounting
terms are dissipated of, we find that
what remains is called net profits.
These are net profits, Gentlemen, I
have quoted from.

"In 1947/48
,, 1948/49
,, 1949/50
,, 1950/51
,, 1951/52
,, 1952/53
,, 1953/54

$ 74,679.12
$ 23,839.41
$ 89,613.06
$ 71,725.70
$ 90,880.26
$ 78,265.47".

A small industry as compared with
Caroni Ltd., Tate & Lyle Sugar Company,
Usine Ste. Madeleine Sugar Company,
in comparison with the ratio in a land
where inefficiency in yields and manu-
facture is harped in ratio of sugar in-
dustry where labour is respected and
paid in those lands I quoted. The ratio
of profit worked out is more than rea-
sonable and over the amount having
therein the increase according to the
standard of living of the workers' labour
still entailed therein.
It is quite true that these are net
profits. If theft were gross profits, well
perhaps they would have said that there
are ways and means of getting the rid of
it, but not in labour. We did not ask
an increase in 1952-53 crop of doubling
the figures. We had the figures in fact,
Gentlemen. If we turn right to the
back of page 40 you will see there,
"This is the detached document above
referred to-relative figures paid 1951-52
with figures of increase sought in the

workers' demand for the year 1952-53
crop. The figures are clearly set there.
Canecutters were then 540, we asked
690, Hoisters were $1.20 per Chance, we
asekd for $1.80 per Chance and so you
go down the line there. Firemen, Mill
Feeders, Filter Pressmen, Mud Box Men,
Centrifugal Engine Drivers, all hands
that got $1.44 we asked for $1.87 and
those were the figures. If a person got
9o, we asked for 12p. That is why we
called it a modest increase in the docu-
ment here referred to.
And then the big question was-not
so much the increase of wages-to have
trade union protection in any form for
the workers employed in the country.
That was to be avoided. That, Gentle-
men was the crux of the matter, not
the price. They could have afforded to
pay the price, but "No, if we pay the
price, well it means that we must pro-
tect the worker in work and trade and
there is a vigilant fellow who is there
and who will be prepared to stand by
the workers as his sacred trust and not
by the estates but to see that a fair day's
work", that was always my charge "a
fair day's work for a fair day's pay" be
done by the workers of that industry and
all other industries because nothing is
more fraught of bad blessing than when
you receive money under false pretences
or by bribe and corruption. Those
things could never last forever. Even
although you have spires of earth from
that ill-gotten gain it will be squandered.
The question now arises, Gentlemen,
in the episode to which I refer in
1955/56, demands of the workers of Mt.
Bentinck. It was so astonishing that
the company wrote such a letter. The
Company was anxious, more over
anxious than the Union, for the Jolly
Sugar Report but the Government was
studying it and when they were finished
studying it, the episodes, the after-effects
of the strike show that they were afraid
of that Report. Though the Govern-
ment adopted it and wisely so at that
time, they were afraid of the Jolly Re-
port more than ever. Because the
Jolly Report discovered that it was not
the poor workers asking for an increase

of labour that will be spent behind cost
of living, it was not that the canefarm-
ers looked at, but they looked from lec-
tures given to them, they hate the
labourer. There was a division, Gentle-
men, between the two sections of the
community. The very thing for which
I was charged in this community-spur-
ring up hatred between one section of
community for the other-they were told
by this Government that if the workers
did not go back to work that you will
not get your canes ground and that the
cane farmers will lose their crops and
that that will release the workers on
strike. But this is what the lecturer
and those who were harangueing the
multitude failed to understand: that it
was not the workers.

Gentlemen, strikes are known through-
out the civilised world. As soon as the
British people find their standards going
down and they cannot live and there is
always a tendency to be hardhearted
towards labour they stop and their la-
bour representative go forward to negoti-
ate appropriate increase, that the stand-
ard of the English people should be
maintained. It should have been the
case with colonial countries but it is not
such the case. It is not the case in St.
Vincent because 'we have seen and
known the facts but "the people were
told and after they were told well of
course naturally that would be a signal
for strife because one set of people
would feel that these people wouldn't
go and work at any price without any
agreement being made and anything
being said to them that they would be
the cause of the crops being spoiled, be-
cause they were told so by the Govern-
There is in the second episode of this
matter a previous consequence. For
three long weeks men sat there, the
Company wouldn't budge. After it was
known that the Company wouldn't
budge and as far as we had seen that
there was no difference in the demand
between the Company and the Govern-
ment there was no line that we could
have drawn when governmental nego-
tiations started via the Labour Offier

We could have seen no difference be-
tween the Company and the way the
government begins. Even the news-
papers shows that as clear as the light.
The inspired newspaper of the planters
showed that there was government com-
munity being placed in debating the
adjournment of this Honourable House
in one article which shows therefore
that every attempt was made to force
government communities to complete
articles through newspaper and it is
clearly because you have the copies of
the newspapers. You have them here.
Well, this is a thing that should have
been avoided. It is true that in some
countries the government in power use
force. That is the method adopted in
all colonial countries. In common-
wealth countries like Great Britain it is
different because the English people
adopt different attitudes and there now
for 1800 years of civilisation they can't
show them a bayonet more than to sit
down and talk. You have to sit and
negotiate around a Table.
Well, therefore, after the people got
to know that there was no lean of Mt.
Bentinck grinding the cane, but that
was only a ruse. How can a Company
go in voluntary liquidation? How can
a Company not being a bankrupt being
called upon to pay 25/- when they are
only worth 19/- Those who study bank-
ruptcy they would know that that is
impossible. You have to wind them up
through a court and all the creditors
being paid accordingly but the Govern-
ment agreed that Mt. Bentinck should
close down because they are not doing
well. They are bordering perhaps on
bankruptcy. They are in voluntary liqui-
dation and that is because a Trade Union
who for four long years been knocking at
their doors to give rights to their work-
ers, to just barely have them represented
in their industry, they were closing down
because of that. And it is proof that a
notice issued and stuck up in the North
Windward area, that notice made it
quite clear that it was impossible to
recognize the union or to have any fur-
ther discussion with the union and for
that reason and that alone they were
1inra An",--

The notice issued, Gentlemen, by Mt.
Bentinck Sugar Company on the 3rd day
of May, 1956 reads as follows:-

At Directors' Meeting held on May
2nd, it was decided that the Company
would not recognize the Federated,
Industrial and Agricultural Workers'
In the circumstances, it is impossible
for the Company to continue the pre-
sent crop, and the matter has, there-
fore, been referred to the St. Vincent
By Order of the Board of
General Manager,
Mt. Bentinck Estates Ltd.
What we gather from that Notice was
that because this time in the history of
Mt. Bentinck there was complete unity
of all worker, there was no split any
longer between the cane cutters and the
factory workers, so that the cane that
fed the mill lower down could not be
ground. That was the basis for the past
two or three crops that the cane lower
down can no longer be ground so there-
fore then for that reason and that alone
since that is so now we have to come to
a stand still. "We are prepared to pass
this information to Government that we
are ndt going to recommend any organ-
ised labour for our workers and because
the demand is now superb, throw down
the canes, complete your sit-down strike
on canes, well then, we will close down
our crop". Could you beat that, in a
civilised country where a Government,
is functioning? Where a Government,
impartial Government, where a Govern-
ment that seeks to protect its subjects,
where a Government does all that lies
in its power a fair and equitable dealing
towards the people that Government
should see that it is right that he has
to control the affairs, here, but it was
referred to the Government. Well, the
Government of St. Vincent is custodian
of the Mt. Bentinck Estates? What it

was referred there for? Well, perhaps
in an investigation we may know.
The question of the peaceful strike
arises. It was quite clear that for three
long weeks, men to avoid even clashing
in any shape with law or authorities of
law, even getting away from the street,
men lived in their gardens all over the
place, but out of the blue some men
were found and it was said that the men
were hungry and they must work so they
close down their hearing on their de-
mand.s But when they found that cer-
tain amount of weeks were passed and
there was no attempt whatsoever to go
back to work then the Government
started to negotiate. Fair broker be-
gun. The broker begun to be fair on
both sides. He sent and called the re-
presentative of the Mt. *Bentinck Estates
Ltd., he sent and called the Trade Union
Leader and of course, fair, frank man
to man discussions took place and those
discussions, one after the other, some
agreement was arrived at. It 'is called
"Proposed basis for negotiations". It
was thus called and it had to be
accepted as such.
I trust men but we can't trust lawyers.
Because while you have the lay idea to
a thing they have the legal idea; not
only have they the lay idea and the
legal idea, they have the intriguing idea
so therefore then when it come to deal-
ing with such- men you have to be quite
The question was that when I went
there if it were but now well they would
post the worker back by their own
weight by bayonets. Joshua .would
never have budged until they had given
him in writing but the heart grew soft
to the Mt. Bentinck Sugar Company.
It was that now these things here were
sent by the Administrator, now Presi-
dent of the Council, then Minister of
Labour now President of the Council.
The question is that these things came
to the Union, of course, it is Joshua's
Union but to us it is the Federated, In-
dustrial and Agricultural Workers'
Union, not Joshua's Union. Joshua con-
trols it. The question is that this was

"Government Office,
St. Vincent, B.W.I.,
16th April, 1956.
Private and
I have the honour to attach as I
promised the copy of the note drawn up
as a result of our discussion this morn-
ing. I have added a further paragraph
(No. 6) which you may find acceptable.
I have the honour to be,
Your obedient servant,
(Sgd.) A. F. GILES,
On Proposed Basis for ending the Labour
Disipute on the Mount Bentinck
1. Mr. Joshua's Union to arrange
for an immediate start by such
workers as are necessary to do the
the preliminary work of putting
the factory into order for full pro-
duction, and for immediate start
by field workers other than cane-
cutters. This will be accepted by
both sides as an end of the strike
and the Union for its part agrees
that the return to work will be
progressive and uninterrupted as
and when the men are required,
while the Company agrees that
there will be no lockout of men
Swilling to return.
2. Immediately this has happened,
the Company will submit to the
Labour Commissioner an up-to-
date list of its employees.
3. Mr. Joshua will then submit to
the Labour Commissioner his list
of paid-up Union Members. If
your certificate is in the affirma-
tive and provided the return to
work has been continuous and
progressive the Company will
agree to recognize the Union as
Representing the work people,

The Company agrees that there
will be no victimisation by dismis-
sal of workers who went on
This is a clear-cut document. Pro-
posed or not proposed. This is a rea-
sonable as I believe that when His
Honour, as he was then, wrote this note
up he was in his best of spirits so far
as he hoped that this would become an
accomplished fact. What has happened
afterwards Gentlemen, doesn't concern
this honest statement of fact I have
made here. But it would have appeared
that pressure of the Directors were
brought to bear and their delegate or
envoy or whatever you choose to call it,
although he was the Chairman and the
man who puts to right all those Direc-
tors, the man who does everything and
those Directors bow to his law, in this
case now you would believe him to be
a man whose word is not to be accepted
a man who is now in bad faith, he went
there and he wasn't sufficient to protect
the Company in any form whatsoever
but the next day afterwards you hear
rumours. The Labour Cbmmissioner as
one of their mouthpieces begin to ru-
mour it: "The Mt. Bentinck hadn't
ratified the proposals". And then you
find the letter appears written from the
same Chairman, the same man who
attended the meeting, the same man
who did everything, he becomes now
Chairman once more again saying that
his Company has not ratified what he
has done.
Well, that shows a funny reflection.
It was then, if it was hoped that those
men were hungry and because of hun-
ger that they stayed out a little longer
than the average, hoped that these men
would go back to work well ,then, it
would seem that that conference was
only concocted to trick the workers back
to work and when we get them back
there from the same day they would
stay in with your starvation wages.
Now we are surprised to see that you
are still outside and because now we
get them back to work they are not
coming out. They are not coming out,
so don't worry with any Union. That is

the interpretation we have given to
this action on the part of the Mt. Ben-
tinck Sugar Company and what the
honest brokers tried to do.
So then after the workers went back
to work we were surprised, amazed be-
yond measure, concerning the letter
from the Mt. Bentinck Sugar Company.
It charged that owing to acts of violence
which His Honour is well acquainted
of in the region of the Mt. Bentinck
area and that because they had not
ratified any terms and that they had
no further discussion, not only would
they not negotiate, not only would they
not recognise-those are out of the ques-
tion-but they would have no further
discussion with the Union. In other
words, they have brushed the Minister
of Labour aside, they have brushed the
Union aside and because the workers
went back to work "we are satisfied with
that". That is the principle of dealing
that these communications show.
Well, the Union wrote to these Direc-
tors directly because now we had
thought that there was trust and credit
in their Chairman who claimed them,
and he replied, speaking under correc-
tion, he said he came there and had the
power to do certain stereotyped things
on behalf of the Company, and we be-
lieved that that was true. There is
nothing to alter that. But therefore,
then, if. you take that for what it is
worth we know now their stand in the
matter. We wrote the Company and
accused that Company for bad faith,
the answer was that those were only
"proposed basis for negotiations, we
haven't accepted them". We have ac-
cepted our part, our side of the agree-
ment and ordered the workers back to
work but they have not accepted any,
not even one of the points on their side.
The newspaper did not know, it didn't
know one word because from that we
can speak, nothing else. We have no-
thing else to speak by. Either from an
act by the brokers on both sides or from
the newspapers, nothing else, because
there was no proper negotiations. All
the headlines in the newspaper fooling

the civilised world about deadlock and
so on, there was no deadlock because
there was no negotiation to be broken
down. It was a harsh official basis,
nothing more than that but it was in
the shadow of an Agent for the Mt.
Bentinck Estates so therefore that is
how the people in this community and
abroad get a false impression of what is
happening in our country.
The question is that after that was
done the Union wrote directly to the
Directors giving the Directors 48 hours
to clarify what was written in that
letter to the Administrator, naturally.
Well, of course, if the workers are there
nothing will bring them out because
Vincentians take one meal to three:
while the Presdent gets three meals you
get one or none. That's what it means,
so therefore you will remain there. We
went in and we asked the Company to
clarify the letter to the Minister of
Labour within 48 hours. They ignored
it completely and a few hours after
that-48 hours-the workers were again
on strike. All the community knew was
through the "Vincentian" newspaper
that the workers resumed work and they
did not know why the workers were out.
An equivocal letter came from the
Labour Commissioner at the same time
synchronising with that press release,
asking to tell him, before the workers
stopped, to tell him as Labour Commis-
sioner whether it was a lockout or a
strike. A Labour Commissioner in a
country like this where labour is ignored
here, where everything is done by force
on estates, where workers are being dis-
missed and no Government cares, no
Labour Commissioner cares, where every-
thing that has happened as far as I can
see then and you are going to tell me
that a Labour Commissioner sits in his
office in Kingstown and says by tele-
phone and by letter to tell him whether
it was a lockout or a strike? Could you
beat that, Gentlemen?
PRESIDENT: I am afraid I must inter-
rupt for which I am very sorry. The
reason why the Labour Commissioner
asked whether it was a lockout or a

strike was because the Honourable Mem-
ber had reported on,the telephone to
the Labour Commissioner that there was
a lockout at Mt. Bentinck.
HoN. E. T. JOSHUA: Of course, I was
expecting in this Council Chamber today
perhaps an expulsion for the balance of
the year but I think that the debate is
voluntary, constitutional and proper but
I can't remember that. I warned the
Labour Commissioner on a certain state-
ment I made to him, but I never report-
ed to the Labour Commissioner there
was a lockout. The question was that
I reported to him that the Directors of
the Mt. Bentinck Estates directly had
had an ultimatum, a forty-eight hours
ultimatum, to reply to that letter or to
clarify the Administrator's note of that-
date. The clarification of the Adminis-
trator's note-well he could accept what
he likes as clarification, the question is
we pressed for a reply to our letter and
none was forthcoming. We were com-
pletely ignored and the workers were
ordered out again on strike.
The most peculiar thing that we have
seen was the attitude of the Chief Minis-
ter of Labour, the Governor. We are
coming to that. The question is that
some men hold several portfolios-an
intricate thing. The Governor is at
one time Minister of Labour, another
time Minister of Defence, another time
Minister of Finance and the rest and
still to administer the -Government.
Poor us with these constitutions in the
The question is that before getting to
the final show down of this matter, we
notice that this has happened: as soon
as it was known that the workers were
prepared to hold out, a complete vigil-
ance, a complete over-vigilance, of the
police began to take place. Unlike other
crops of Mt. Bentinck, it was the fire
that sounded the bugle and then our
canes must be reaped. Strike-breakers
from the other regions can come in
now with full protection guarded by the
police with arms but this 1956 affair
wasn't so. It was a direct attack with
arms on the workers.

It is known that in civilised countries,
I am not saying that St. Vincent is not
one, that even in barbarous countries,
many police officers who worked abroad
there didn't dare to produce to the
worker a gun and a bayonet as a first
resort. Because you will be promulgat-
ing and standing the consequence of that
violence and social unrest and all other
sorts of unrest there in that country.
You can't do it so.
As we know, the code of British pro-
cedure is the only means that the
English Bobby, th English policeman,
disperse crowds, even if they are
crowds, with batons. You see them in
picture. We know that is so but our first
resort here-perhaps we are savages I
do not know-is to have complete war
equipment to attack workers and that
thing must cease. It must cease in that
we are not even warlike or rebellious in
this country as other West Indian is-
lands. And why it is that every time
there is a labour dispute the first thing
they greet the worker with is the arms?
Men armed to the teeth. That thing is
peculiar. Not only that, there must be
some reason. When the sentry was
before the gates with their arms you
remember the Lord came, they asked
those who came with their hungry
stomachs spying into this country here
a war is not on, marshall law is not
declared what are you doing, with a
rifle and a gun? Set that aside and put
that away.
Well that's not the point, the point
is that we do not know that where
workers are peaceably on strike and the
first resort of the police force is to bring
among them weapons of war, do you not
see that somebody begins to incite the
people to public disorder? Not only are
you using these arms as a first resort, a
mark of a state of emergency, where
then a state of emergency is permitted
in a colony where the workers found
themselves at war with the Government
or other members of the community.
That's the only time, I believe that arms
should be brandished openly and readily
before the eyes of a civil population.
But it was not so.

There is proof, Gentlemen, and ample
proof that during that period of which
this motion seeks to cover, from the
26th March right down to the 19th May,
that a vain display of force was initi-
ated, unnecessary show of force, an excit-
ing force, that I believe that any other
West Indian colony having had to stand
that other pressure, the record of our
island at this hour might be different.
What I am stating here now needs an
investigation as to the why and where-
fore that these things should occur.
When you think of it not the hair
of one in authority as a policeman was
singed but you have men now bleeding
from burst heads from police riot staffs
in the North Windward area when they
came on a peaceful morning and sur-
rounded my house with arms, revolvers,
long range guns, bayonets and all the
paraphernalia of war to execute their
ordinary rounds of police duty warrant.
Men are still bleeding from the terror
left and the order given by the Comman-
der-in-Chief of the local forces that
"You load and fire on the people". I
asked, "Colonel, you come in the ordi-
nary round of police duties to do an act,
that's an ordinary elementary act, you
order policeman to fire on the people?"
Mrs. Joshua looked out when Mandeville
raised a staff over her, after Mr.
Roberts, the Deputy Chief of Police
searched her grip-that's the state of
affairs, Gentlemen-and as she was
leaving he tossed a rifle after her, the
people got excited. I raised my hand
for them to keep quiet. I knew what
people would say. I knew too the near-
est decimal point so I raised my hand to
them to keep quiet. And then other
members of the community, as usual,
went out.
Well, this is the second time. This is
the second time, and I held my breath
to see how capable the police can be,
how capable they can be to incite by
force of arms civil strife in a country.
These things, Gentlemen, after all it is
all well and god that we cork this ear
and cork this one perhaps but this thing
needs and investigation, because if you
are alleging to Colonial Office that there

is a civil war and riot here and we know
something different in this community
that it was the police who were trying to
.incite those riots and public disorders
well, do you not see as clear as light
that it is only but righteous, it is but
just, it is only but fair to this communi-
ty that there should be an enquiry into
the acts of this Government or into the
Police Department which this Govern-
ment did not sanction? The workers
in organised labour can do what they
feel. They can submit their cases
through the administration for direct
forwarding. Don't mind that your pre-
vious forwardings and submissions had
no reply. You don't know where they
are gone to. You will know where they
are all gone to one of these days but
we have now the workers, they can sub-
mit their case, it is the Government's
funeral if thy did not want to protect
this community and to see once and for
all these types of things cease in your
It is that you would have had serious
consequences here as a Government if
th speaker, the Leader of the Union,
were not to his wit's ends to try to pre-
serve the peace. It was in his interest
to preserve that which men were vicious-
ly trying to break.
The question now arises that the part
played in this affair was expressed on
the 10th December. Just now you heard
what has happened on the 19th Decem-
ber and now you hear how reasonable,
it was not bombastic, irrelevant attack
on the plantocracy that was made by-
.the Union. Timely letters passed for
the last crop year on which they chose
to sit tight and would rather to do un-
sightly things rather than come to
terms with the workers on their estates.
What I am referring to is a letter of
the 10th December, 1955, a copy of this
letter was sent to the Labour Commis-
sioner, a copy of this letter was sent to
the Administrators and it reads as
"Dear Sir,
The above Union feels that it is high
time to implement fair conditions in

your industry and have sound under-
standing with your workers in place of
past and rife distrust which have existed.
Despite the fact that a Commission of
Enquiry has just recently held sittings
of investigations in this Colony and
various management on oaths swore
that they were kindly disposed towards
their workers, the Owia Estate, through
its owner, Mr. Abbott, is instituting vital
and brutal repressions and one Jackson,
the Overseer, is set up there as a whip
of six strings to oppress and victimise
all workers in that area and who ask
for any humane conditions. We as a
consequence submit that 1955-56 crop
should be peaceably reaped, on all
estates in that area. The workers are
prepared to do this once your manage-
ment is also prepared to give them a fair
and square deal.
Already the Labour Department in the
arrowroot industry still insist to connive
at the new over-sized baskets by which
the arrowroot is now being reaped for
the same 240 per basket and delaying
action is seen in the Commissioner's
investigation which the workers had
hoped for the fixing of tonnage of canes
and the peasants a proper cane tonnage.
The Labour Department is still pre-
pared to allow victimisation of workers
as seen by the superabundance of com-
plaints preferred against the Owia es-
tate and the management's repeated
defiance. These facts as seen promise
to brew unrest throughout the whole of
the North Windward area in all crops
now being reaped and to be reaped. We
are tired with this periodical unrest
ruthlessly enforced by the management
concerned in the whole of the North
Windward area. This being the case
even the most wicked or hard estate
owner should now see some sort of rea-
son. Managements like the Owia estate
are prepared to see none whatever but
the owner of such an estate as Owia".
Gentlemen, it was clearly seen that
every possible thing was done from the
beginning of this crop, timely begin-
nings. This dates December 10th before
crop was started but the only reply that

was received-the Union Estate, the
Gorse Estate, the Mt. William Estate, the
'Orange Hill Estates Ltd-all the Estates
of that area received the same letter so
they all knew what was happening on
some estates because the same letter
was passed between them. So it was
not a fact. They were registered. They
were sent registered post and by sheer
dint of having a receipt we can trace
them through the Post Office because
those are not outgoing mail, those are
inland mails. So we can easily trace
them and see where they have gone to.
Those are inlands mails not outgoing
The question is that we have all of
those letters sent out and Gentlemen,
not one of these Gentlemen had the
manners ever for form's sake, pro forma,
to reply to one of those letters. That
will tell you the type of prejudice, of
arrogance, adopted by these estate
owners in the Colony. Not one of them
replied but Mr. Bryan replied. He re-
plied. Why was Mr. Bryan's letter on
file? Mr. Bryan's letter was here. You
more vulnerable than all of us. You
are more organised, your labour more
organised. He replied. And for the
whole time that crop commenced, sugar
making by the hundreds of bags per day.
Still what's to be will be. You .can say
what you like, Gentlemen, we have to
agree with that.
Out of the blue, the boys in this coun-
try, when statistics are sent, they say
child labour is finished away with but
that is not true. They had at Mt. Ben-
tinck and still have what you call an
Iron Gang. That Iron Gang is perfect-
ed. there for the purpose of depriving
men of living when the time come to
strike for higher wages. The boys would
be encouraged in the fields 'and so that
Iron Gang is perpetuated to this day
so when the statistics of the Labour
Commissioner is made out to say that
there is no child labour here, that is
not true. Boys of 12, 10 years are still
in the fields cutting canes along side of
their fathers. So when the father
thinks he can't support his wife, the
son gone un to nlav a mnn nr ,, oil l..-.

the canes. That is what is happening
here. So that is what has caused the
unrest as far as we know it.
Government may find more, vis-a-vis,
after these boys must be encouraged it
can only mean that they claim to be
protecting the factions of Mt. Bentinck
although their canes are still weighed
and they are paid. But the cane-men
know their canes are on the fields still
lying. They went to the Manager of the
factory and said, "Well, give us an ad-
vance on our canes, Gentlemen. Give
us an advance so that we can live".
They drove them away from the place
and when I did nothing at all-having
made the fatal error, one of the biggest
errors I have ever made so far as the
plantocracy is concerned, to table these
four questions in this house asking for
the' Jolly or the Malone's Report-that
made me at that time public enemy
No. 1, perhaps dangerous to the State.
But anyhow the question was that the
Reports were asked for and they were
to be asked for by somebody but they
were asked for by me.

Members of Council were intended to
represent the industrial areas in the
Colony and of course, when the time had
come I was nailed to the industrial cross
in that cane cutters were on strike syn-
chronised with those questions asked.
I myself would believe that Joshua pro-
mulgated that thing that happened-
send them on strike. But that didn't
fit in well. That did not fit in well since
they after had to say Joshua vexed be-
cause they didn't appoint him Minister".
Who appoint these Ministers, not your
elected votes around this House? By
some other method? Oh, I see. Not by
your elected vote. How then we be so
illogical to assume such a thing when
in truth and in fact the questions alone
asked for the Report at such a time; an
inopportune time, would have been
enough for every man who is a planter
to gag that vote; to see to it that that
vote was not used on me. It was quite
obvious that it is so unnecessary a thing
to say. Well, let us therefore rule out
that forever from our minds.

The question now arose that when
these men struck I was at Cblonarie. I
knew nothing at all of the stoppage of
work, but this is what happened. A
telephone rang and when I learnt what
had happened I went to both men, the
Field Manager and the Manager of the
place, and said that we all had agreed
that this would be a peaceful reaping
of the crop this year what is this now?
He was as peaceful as if he was experi-
encing the weather, that spring is soon
time to come from this dreary winter.
Why that was so? It was so because it
was only canecutters and we are not
interested in them whether they chose
to work or they didn't chose to work.
All we know when cane cutters' canes
cut off we know how to get those canes
reaped. But this time the factory work-
ers joined the field workers and there
was a complete close down.
The workers are to ask by some means
or other that they be given some con-
sideration. They got the reply that they
didn't know we had come to that deci-
sion and that serious results can accrue
to that. These things should be through
a statement and it is my duty to put
them in their proper quarters. So it is
my bounden duty to come here with a
motion calling upon this Government to
investigate by a Commission of Enquiry
the causes and occurrences in the strikes
in the North Windward area. There
must have been some reason why this
country was thrust on the brink of civil
strife promulgated by armed policemen.
Because that is what a country reached
to when policemen get an order to load
and fire! You would have had a procla-
mation or that was sufficient for a procla-
mation. If that was merely intimida-
tion, well, we take some serious chances.
The President knows that in British
procedure and British codes, arms are
not the first code no matter what hap-
pens until you can prove that there were
violence and disturbances. We have
proof that there were violent attacks
and murderous attacks by policemen
with revolvers and the rest with workers'
heads still bleeding from two weeks ago
or so. How many policemen are in hos-
pital? How many are buried?

You may say to apprehend. Appre-
hend what? You just hear a rumour,
you surround district beating peaceful
people there. Peaceful, law abiding sub-
jects. You ask men to fix bayonets.
You ask men to get in, what the militia
call, first level, as you kick a whole
packet of rifles they gone off sending
somebody to his death. You are going
to tell me that government exists here
and that can happen here? Whether
you were joking or intimidating them
that was a grim chance that any mili-
tary officer can take. We must be dead
certain. And what's the warning here?
The warning is volleys.
Even in the times when the stewart, the
bailiff or the Magistrate was reading the
riot act, even at such a time when sharp
knells of rustic war brewing until the
government is satisfied that there is
dead certainty that there is a riot. But
that was not so here. It is that I was
amazed and appalled beyond measure
where peaceful work was at Mt. Ben-
tinck, somewhere in April. when I see
about 40 policemen and they lined up,
the order was given to fix bayonets. We
saw policemen like Commissiong, like
Allen, naming them, going about, run-
ning people about the .place, if you have
no place to go you go in your latrine, to
create an atmosphere of unrest so that
arms should be used? That didn't re-
quire an investigation? Well, if we say
otherwise, well, we are people here living
as outlaws., These are not the. days of
Robin Hood because Robin Hood never
missed his mark with his arrows. He
sent a warning to you and it stuck right
on your dinner table before you ....
PRESIDENT: I. really mvust remind the
Honourable Member of Rule 20. A mem-
ber who rises to speak should address
his observations to the Chairman. The
Honourable Member has the floor.
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: Yes, Mr. Presi-
dent, I would never have thought that
was any means of disrespect and I
thought in a continuous speech it would
be allowed, still incidentally I shall ad-
dress them here to Mr. President and
Honourable Members of the Council.

Mr. President, I am afraid that from
11th March to the 19th May that any
man, any officer, administering this Gov-
ernment, any Governor who after get-
ting the minutes of this debate today
tell the Secretary of State for the Colo-
nies that that did not necessitate an
investigation well the Secretary of State
could always seethe workers' complaint.
They have it.
The question was, Gentlemen, that
after we saw the attitude of the local
government and the Mt. Bentinck Es-
tates, I would not use the strong, term
collusion but when we saw that there
was something which was tantamount
to that the one gave the duplicate of the
other in a dispute, we wrote a motion
asking that the Standing Rules and
Orders be suspended in this House so
that that motion could be debated be-
cause it was a matter of urgency and
public interest that the Governor be
here. The President refused that re-
quest in that he had sent already for
the Governor.
Was the Member for North Windward
in a position to know that the President
of the Council had sent for the Gover-
nor? Was it not the correct and proper
thing to bring a motion here to be
debated? But no, if that motion was
debated here it would have shown un-
rest that the workers had not created
and when the Governor was approached
in writing as Minister of Labour accord-
ing to what we have to call a constitu-
tion here, the Governor wrote a reply
stating as follows:-The Unioth must
make a public declaration that it didn't
concern itself in the violence that were
taking place in the Georgetown-Mt.
Bentinck area. But the Governor did
not say where these violence were or
who was committing them. He never
stated that. And therefore then, he
showed, he qualified the fact that what
had happened from the very beginning
of these brokers were actually his orders
in the whole affair. When he charged
violence, well then, that is so much proof
why an investigation should be made.
Let him state what are these violence
and where they are. That is clear,
That is one of the nrnnf.s

In the letter from the Administrator
for the Governor he stated, before the
Governor would see a delegation of the
Federated, Industrial and Agricultural
Workers' Union, he should have a public
declaration that the Union does not
concern itself in the disturbances taking
place in the Georgetown-Mt. Bentinck
area. Where were these violence and
who was committing them? Nobody
knows but we know that estate owners
buckled on loud speakers-they are now
planters and labour leaders-planting
themselves in peaceful workers' rally for
wages and trying to breach the peace.
That was known to the police but that
was estate owner. That was not breaches
of the peace made by workers or else
steps would be immediately taken and
persecutions made. But that was the
estate owner and he has the right.
PRESIDENT: I wonder if the Honour-
able Member would have the courtesy to
read that letter to the House.
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: The Governor's
PRESIDENT: Yes, sir. I wish you would
read that letter to the House.
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: The letter of the
Governor as a reply should be read. It
was because of the fact that while I
spoke prematurely on this point because
the letter was not before me. I actually
wanted to find it. You may have seen
me fumbling among my files for it. I had
the full intention to read it, Your Hon-
our. The letter for which requests were
made for reading, Gentlemen, Honour-
able President, is as follows:-
* Government Office,
St. Vincent, B.W.I.,
12th May, 1956.
C. 18/48
I am directed by His Excellency the
Governor to refer to your Union's letter
of the 11th May, 1956, and to inform you
that until your Union makes it clear
publicly that it disassociates itself en-
tirely from the acts of violence and in-

timidation which are taking place in
the Georgetown-Mt. Bentinck areas,
His Excellency could not consider acced-
ing to your request for an interview with
representatives of your Union.

I have the honour to be,
Your obedient servant,
(Sgd) A. F. GILES,

The Honourable E. T. Joshua,
Federated, Industrial &
Agricultural Workers'
Middle Street,
That's the letter as a reply to this and
necessitates now that we read the letter
to His Excellency the Governor.
This would be one of the most import-
ant debates in the annals of our history.
The first labour dispute and how it was
settled. We seemed to have read the
reply before the letter, well, it serves to
show you what the letter purports to
Head Office.

Middle Street,
ll1th May, 1956.
To His Excellency the Governor,
Commander-in-Chief of the
Windward Islands,
Government House,
Your Excellency,
This is now the third day ofyour
presence in this Colony. The above
Union waited these three gays to see
what part Your Excellency intended to
play in industrial disputes of weeks dura-

tion involving the Union and the Mt.
Bentinck Estates Limited in particular,
in so far as the true version of the
workers' case was concerned.
A motion was brought to the Legisla-
tive Council by the Honourable E. T.
Joshua who declared that the motion
was urgent and in the public interest
and that the Governor's presence was
needed in the Colony. The Governor's
presence as resolved by the motion and
the request for removal of the standing
Rules and Orders was ruled out by the
President of the Council on the ground
that the Government had already sent
for the Governor as he stated.
All we knew that a notice in the form
of a Government Communique was is-
sued on the 9th of May on the strike
situation and that nothing has as yet
been done so that your Excellency may
take up the matter of dispute as the
Administrator tried to do.
This being a democratic age we there-
fore approach your Excellency on the
subject of accepting a delegation from
the F.I.A.W.U. as we believe that it is
not your Excellency's intention to listen
and conclude in so important a matter
on the points of view of the Company
alone, as regard the stage the dispute
has now reached.
Anticipating as prompt as possible a
reply from Your Excellency.
We are yours obediently,

General Secretary,
It would appear from his letter and the
type of reply received and from occur-
rences in the community that something
is radically wrong. It is obviously clear
that the reply of the Governor writing
such a letter, it is obviously clear that
it was the government's intention to
take one side and to ignore the other.
Not only was it that but it was also an
Intention on the part of the Government
to use force to break the Mt. Bentinck
strike. And that's the charge against
this Government. That alone should

necessitate an enquiry. It is a charge in
that civilised government would take
note of it one way or the other in that
the very presence of the Governor here.
Knowing full well that a strike is on
you send every one of your officers, not
one left at Headquarters. Inspector
Charles just come from England was
there. Inspector Thomas now Assistant
Chief of Police, Colonel Anderson, Chief
of Police. Every man fully armed. To
incite the workers, Major Roberts began
to put in his .45 bullets on my steps in
coming in the house. That's the state
of affairs, Gentlemen, and we are asking
for an Enquiry to see whether it is so or
It is a serious affair in that in the
ordinary round of police duty where two
policemen could have come, as usual,
as any other citizen, read their warrant
and come in and search. Why show
force? Not to incite the people? Full well
knowing what happened here in 1952?
That can work well since those cases
cannot be filed so again. Let us file
them. When we plunge the state into
civil strife then we can get him better.
What an awful thing! Gentlemen, in a
house where a frail man is, a man who
has not been charged and convicted for
having machine guns mowing down peo-
ple, a rebel as this time in Cyprus,
Kenya or anywhere else, a peaceful law
abiding subject of Her Majesty the
Queen, you will come in that fashion?
As when Cicero was appearing for Milo
that he shouldn't be banished from
Rome even in the Court room, where
Roberts was sent with his men, we saw
armed men in the Court room, but tact-
fully the learned Barristers said that if
those armed men are placed here for the
protection of myself and my clients I
shall have no fear. But, certainly these
men with their armed appearance in
my house was not for my protection.
Against whom? The workers? They
would have come there for an honest
motive. Come in the ordinary round be-
cause whatever he wants I would assist
him because the Colonel thanked me for
co-operation. Because I was as cool as
the skater on the ice. "Cowards dip

several times before their death, the
valiant taste of death but once and see-
ing death a necessary end will come
when it will come".
But if that were so alone I would
have been satisfied, if that were so alone,
but the whole military heads of the
battle, all of them assembled there none
of you would have been able to say
anything. All of you had a hand in it.
So therefore then outside what have you
seen there? When I looked out for the
people still to see my presence, that
nothing has happened to me for them to
keep still, you saw a steel wall of armed
men, men with rigour riot outfits that
was to execute a warrant to search.
Well, so help my God! I never saw
anything like that, Gentlemen. And of
course naturally what was worse every
minute the Colonel going out directing
military affairs. And on one occasion
I was by the door hearing that Colonel
telling the policemen "Load and fire".
On what I do not know. But I saw the
police Sergeant lifting his rifle, hand
trembling like a leaf, when he pulled his
colt back the cartridge dropped. He
didn't dare pick it up because it wasn't
That is what is happening in this
country. You are laughing, it is nothing
to laugh at. It is true, but if it were
not a person who love peace instead of
war I might have, been dead, obviously,
because I was aimed at. That's why the
affair is different. Because why if a man
con-es to fulfil a certain act why allow
him to fulfil it and swapping lives? Life
is s'veet to all. Some of us don't know
that there was a conspiracy at the back.
The question is Gentlemen, after we
four 1 we murdered and the civil popu-
lation hanging over their heads now we
know "he that fights and runs away
shall live to fight another day". I was
saying there that the thing was serious.
We were hearing all sorts of rumours
but I paid no attention to them.
Joshua was to be taken away in the
middle of the night. But what the
"Vincentian" newspaper seeks to call
"Raid of Trade Union Leader" synchro-
nises with its own headlines that the

workers gone back to work. That, 'in
civilised countries, could only' be taken
to mean that by force of arms the work-
ers were cajolled back to work. That's
all that it means in St. Vincent. They
know it. Perhaps they think that we are
the most foolish people in Christendom
throughout the world from Carriacou go
back. You can fool people from George-
town to Kingstown but you can't fool
people all the way from London back to
Carriacou. What a funny thing it is!
The question now arose that what was
described as a raid on Trade Union
Leader premises we sat down and
analyse the attitude and actions of the
government because the Governor was
now present and they were now in ses-
sion as those were the orders of the Gov-
ernor. That that was the way he meant
to settle this time the workers' side of
the dispute. If that',were so we can't
get out letters.
I make a statement which is a very
funny thing to say but what would be-
come of the workers when no true
version of their case, who take the suf-
fering, bear the cost, because the vindi-
cation will come in some shape but they
fully sought to deceive the outside world.
The "Vincentian" newspaper continues
that this man, Trade Union Leader, is
hiding. What was I in hiding for? Men
who have actually embezzled govern-
ment funds in high places are not hiding
what I must hide for? That was stated
probono public. Trade Union Leader
in hiding. Where was the proof? Scan-
dal. All the types the Vincentian news-
paper go in to especially when it suits
the purpose of the plantocracy and
Trade Union Leaders. When you talk
about Trade Union Leaders, how much
you have? That's the question to ask.
Well, none must rise.
The question of Wage Councils to take
the place of Trade Unionism. Mr. Jolly
in his Report says that Wages Councils
would have to exist until unions begin
to negotiate, funny enough, to force an
agreement. Well, who is Joshua? Who
is the Member for North Windward? He
hasn't chariots and horses-invade him.
And by our fiats, our royal will and

enactments we want soldiers, we don't
want King Arthur here-we are our own
Gods. After that raid, it wasn't a raid,
it must be qualified, a murderous raid,
because if it were not the presence and
eyesight "Of me showing the people
Joshua isn't shot yet we would have had
something that the Colonial Office would
have believed that Vincentians were a
riotous people in truth. What a state
of affairs, Gentlemen. I shiver as I
think of it again.
The skater on the ice had had a trip.
by a fissure on the ice. Had my feet
caught on a piece of stick, the story I
am telling now would never have been
told. Those who know the story of the
skater with the pack of wolves behind
him. It might be that if I wasn't a
clever skater the story that is being told
here today would never have been told.
Because why it was easy to say? I came
at the early hours of the morning the
man is fully armed because he carries
a licence for a gun and because I wanted
to search him. He fired at me and I had
to fire back in retaliation. The balance
is better imagined than described but
God is in the affairs of men. If he was
to be drowned he would not be hung.
After we found that this matter was
heading to a climax, we wrote a circular,
that circular called on all estates "don't
worry to murder us as workers we
would go back to work under your slave
conditions". It was tantamount to say-
ing so. We wrote a circular and it is
wise that this circular be read here. We
called on all estates. The only thing we
were not going to tolerate was victimisa-
tion because that is only a joke that's
the middle name of estate owners. Tak-
ing full advantage of the under-employ-
ment and unemployment, taking advan-
tage of the squalor, filth and slime of the
people in the North Windward area,
taking full advantage of non-supervision
of a government, taking full advantage of
the fact that many a long year's requests
were made for vital amenities in the
North Windward area which were wil-
fully denied, taking full advantage of
those facts, government stood up, power-
ful figures-the Rajah is asleep, we dare

not wake them. In the morning twenty-
three British prisoners come out but they
still didn't decide to use the pen for the
When then the question of this circu-
lar appearing in the press under the
same issue of the number that say the
Trade Union Leader in hiding or went
on some banana boat or the other.
That's the state of affairs. Country of
falsehoods, intrigues, machinations and
the rest to give an opinion. The ques-
tion now is Circular No. 1.
"Federated, Industrial and Agricultural
Workers' Union.
Circular No. 1.
The Government in the circumstan-
ces of an industrial dispute involving
a peaceful strike should have done all
which lies in its power to hear both
sides in such a dispute.
That the Governor as an impartial
Minister of Labour should condescend"
meaning to come down off his high altar
and condescend
"to deal with the dispute not by pub-
lications alone but should seek to know
the truth as to whether the workers on
strike are bona fide members of the
Union. This would make a reasonable
compromise instead of the application
of force.
By complete ignoring any form of
organised labour in the Colony pro-
mises to be a retrograde step and this
can only reflect on the future of the
said Colony as fare as labour relations
are concerned, when a federation
pledged to by St. Vincent shall come.
The planters themselves may regret
that co-operation to this end was not
the case.
Every conceivable attempt in the
past was to disorganise the Union and
to victimise and dismiss its Members
from the estates. No attempt was
made even from a year to this date to
ascertain whether the workers had re-
covered from the position of subjuga-
tion or who were financial members
of the Union.

That while the government would
say that they are doing nothing to
take for one side more than the other
every attempt is made to use the press,
the only press, the express govern-
ment's views coupled with estate views
as one Company. This attitude on
the part of the government would
give the greatest lever to all estates to
assert their rights to stamp out or-
ganised labour altogether.
That the Union will agree that while
the bug-bear in this all important
matter appears to be the recognition
or non-recognition of the Union based
on what the Vincentian news claimed
was expressed in reports a year ago
all the alarmists and those would like
to see our country torn in strife in a
righteous cause in an organisation of
men and women within their rights.
The Union will on its part, give in-
structions to all Members organised
therein and who are willing to work
under such conditions of frustrations,
and let normal conditions continue un-
til there is a period to iron out difficul-
ties confronting all parties, provided
that there be no victimisation of any
worker organised in the Union.
This offer holds good to all estates.
This, we believe, may appeal to the
consciences of all employers for gener-
ous treatment of work people and that
no hatred should exist one to the
By Order of the Federated,
Industrial and Agricultural
Workers' Union.
12th May, 1956."

Honourable President of this House,
Gentlemen, we can have no doubt, we
can have no doubt, that from this debate
this morning that it is necessary for us
to have an investigation in this all im-
portant matter. It is true that you have
been listening to a long debate but a
debate of the kind should not be short.
It should include all the facts. Such a
debate should include so that as soon
as you have seen it on the Order Paper
you would have known that Council

meeting would be two days instead of
one because it could only mean that the
facts must be placed here so that you
may know that one of the most impor-
tant things in any country is labour
labour splits the stake, and converts the
worthless people into something to
handle. And labour should be protected
by the government in all form, that is
why this motion is before this House.
Not only were we to see ourselves mur-
dered in our own country, not without
our fault, but we were to see a state of
affairs by which our country would have
got a mark for strife as being a country
of rebellious people rising against law
and order of Her Gracious Sovereign the
Queen from a tangent between two
points-Georgetown and Kingstown. So
to show you what journalism can do, a
different opinion was held by the people
who were interested by false impression
got by the newspaper articles and to see
that they were sponsored as government
articles so that they were believed.
"The Challenge", that little sinister
paper, that said "Friendship between
government and the people is a requi-
site", certainly so, but why did that not
do over-time when this present govern-
ment goes back as a corollary or appen-
dix to the government Gazette. Why?
But no, to show the proof to us where
the Company stands and where the gov-
ernment stands the Company's press can
do. Because, Gentlemen, one of the
things that I have most in my mind
that charges are made against one set
of people innocently and the guilty goes
free. Because if a responsible officer of
the government after the Company pub-
lished a notice went to the country alleg-
ing to cane farmers "those workers
would allow your canes to spoil" he is
not spurring up hatred?
That should not be the work of an
impartial Minister of Labour. That is
a spite-maker because if you go and tell
the cane-farmers that look those workers
sit down there for six long weeks or ten
they will have your canes dried up on
the fields people might revolt. Because
knowing they are for division, the policy
of divide and rule, always play its part

under our Crown. Because here it is the
cane-farmers were made to understand
at the Public Library at Georgetown
that "if you fellows don't take ways and
means of getting these men out to work
your cane wouldn't be ground". And
what prevent their canes from being
ground? Mt. Bentinck published a no-
tice the day before showing that if we
have to recognize this Union we have
profits from 1945 back here. Your gov-
ernment has subsidized us, everyone of
you who drank sugar. You can't order
me, you can't order from anywhere you
can get if for 50 a lb. you have to buy
Mt. Bentinck sugar, and since that is the
case we have all the cards. We dared
you government to give us a close down.
We are our own Lord, with no obligation
to you. We didn't even respect the tax-
payers' money put our mills on the foot.
We didn't even respect when cries were
raised against a cent being placed on Mt.
Bentinck sugar in 1952. The Honour-
able Member for Central Windward will
remember it.
They tried to raise it. They asked to
put it on record that year that Mt. Ben-
tinck had made the largest profit to
come at the end of the year. That is
the time this government seeks to raise
sugar. Mr. Jolly, in his report, says,
"the Mt. Bentinck people could not have
declared more than 8% dividend at any
time without provoking the government
to reduce the controlled price of sugar.
This is an honest Report, so far.
HON. A. C. CYRUS: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I am suggesting

PRESIDENT: I am not quite clear
whether the Honourable Member has
given the Honourable Member the floor.
The Honourable Member for North Wind-
ward has the floor at the moment as he
has not taken his seat.
HoN. A. C. CYRus: Inasmuch as the
-debate is long, Sir, I am suggesting that
we adjourn now and resume at about a
quarter past two.
PRESIDENT: I think 2.30 p.m. is a suit-
able hour. It is now 12.30.

HON. A. C. CYRUS: Yes, 2.30 p.m.
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: I beg to move a
counter motion, Sir, that we resume at
2 o'clock.
HoN. S. E. SLATER: I beg to second
PRESIDENT: Is the Second Nominated
Member's motion seconded?
HON. G. H. CHARLES: I beg to second
Amended Motion that "this House be
adjourned to 2 p.m." put to the vote
and lost.
Motion that "This House be adjourned
to 2.30 p.m." put to the vote and carried.
12.30 p.m. Sitting suspended.
2.30 p.m. Sitting resumed.
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, it is necessary at
this stage of this debate, an historic
debate in this House, that I again refer
to the statement to where were the acts
of violence of which the Governor com-
plains, and because of those acts of vio-
lence the Governor could only have met
the estate owners and not the workers to
agree and on whose behalf the Adminis-
trator then, his locum tenens, appearing
to be on the spot, the Minister of Labour,
while the Governor was absent, had he
reported to me that there were violence
of all sorts among the workers, preclud-
ing the Governor, then the Minister of
Labour, according to the portfolio which
he carries, not to see the workers nor
their representatives. Those acts of vio-
lence, one incidence of that violence was
related here this morning, this is
Mr. Child, the owner of the Grand
Sable Estate, making everything possible
to incite the worker to public disorder,
gave fractured watchmen guns to go
shooting the people's animals and in
shooting these animals scald people with
pellets from gunfire just to precipate the
reports in the Chili area. ZSo arrest was
made until the Police attention was
drawn at the Police Station at George-
town that if some acts were to continue

unchecked by the police it could only
mean anarchy in the country before
s(niethiing was dons. I myself made
that report to the Georgetown police and
a man was detained. As soon as power-
ful estate owners appeared at the
station, he was released.
Again persistent attempts were made
because people were scald with gun
pellets, and Mr. Childs himself was prose-
cuted. But what of it? You see no
pcwerlul Attorney General or Crown At-
torney but a frail officer as usual in
the general round in the Court but a
powerful first-class lawyer putting all the
blame on the watchman and then after
he is Tri4;gled out clear and sound from
the law that watchman bear the brunt
of all of it.
But we all do know that on that fatal
Sunday vhen anything could have hap-
pened in the eyes of the police, you
thought that the responsible citizens
were foremost so above the ignorant
worker to keep the peace of this country
but lo and behold before the whole eyes
of the law an estate owner promulgated
in the country over microphones and
loudspeakers right in the demonstration
of the workers, public disorder. Is that
the type of violence to which His Excel-
lency the Governor, as Minister of
Labour, refers? Or is it at such a time
wherr the whole set of workers in the
North Windward area asked for another
time in their lives that trade union re-
presentation should be accorded them
and that they should be supervised in
labour as workers in the chief industrial
area of the Colony? Were the acts done
at Chili, the acts to which the Governor
referred? Nobody knows. That is why
it is pressed for an enquiry into the
whole affair that these things may be
determined to which acts of violence the
Governor refers.
The question of victimisation is a
terrible matter, more serious in this
country especially in that area. Long
before any labour unrest occurred at the
very access of the President of the
Council, the Administrator of this
Colony, he received some dreary docu-
ments indeed. Those documents asked
that this government consider housing
npnnl. from off the estates north of the


dry river. The Labour Commissioner,
vve must call him so, we haven't got a
name, that's his name, that is his official
title-Labour Commissioner. The La-
bour Commissioner in terms had several
letters, of victimisation of Union Mem-
bers. They were aimed at particularly.
According to the explanation of the
Labour Commissioner in files from let-
ters from him he always stated he could
do nothing. If the estate owners chose
to employ labourers they may; if they
chose to knock them off they may.
Those were the repeated replies of the
Labour Commissioner, hence, we can see
from that statement that the labourer
in truth has no protection whatsoever
no matter how long they may work on
estates and this is most terrible.
As soon as it was known that the la-
bourers struck, the Orange Hill Estates
Ltd. begin to share out one day notices
to labourers who have been working for
donkey's years on that estate; who have
given of their substance to the bone;
they were being shared out with one day
notices and just to prove that that is
true there is and more a super-abun-
dance of one day notices in my hand..
"Alfia Byron, I the undersigned on
behalf of the Orange Hill Estates Ltd.
give you one day notice to quit this
Company's land and premises and
after expiration of the said notice you
do not trespass on lands owned by the
said Company.
Cyril Barnard
for Secretary."

"I the undersigned, Levy Seymour,
on behalf of the Orange Hill Estates
Ltd. give you one day notice to quit
the lands and the premises you occupy
and after the expiration of the said
notice you are not to trespass on lands
owned by the said Company"
and so it goes on, ad infinitum, in a
series of notices of the same kind.
Those are the types of answers to any
request whatsoever of the workers of
that areas. To add insult to injury not
only are they given notices of the kind,
24 hours to quit, after some were there
for 40 years, but that the gun-men are

immediately sent out to shoot every
animal: they put sheep in line and one
hot pass through them. That's what
s happening here. Those are things at
he time when strikes for wages and con-
litions in work and trade is in the
making or are about to start. Those
thingss are only electrons and protons
>f incitement of people to public dis-
>rder. Those are the types that we had.
Vhat are the acts to which the Gover-
lor referred? Nobody knows. But we
iave the facts and that they are related
iere, it is wise that the Government
,specially in the majority here who
iave been returned by a labour ticket
before the unfortunate step dividing us
nto two rival factions, but here we
shouldd couple together our manhood
mnd self respect for our country and give
he vote for an impartial enquiry into
what has been disclosed to this Honour-
tble House.
The question of victimisation goes
nuch further. Not only were labour mn-
)orted from other parts of the country
when the time had come despite this
notice and despite what the "Vincen-
Aian" had to say that workers returned
o work by the Governor's orders, and
;hat Trade Union Leader was raided and
documents seized and the same day
vhen these returned to work seeing what
was in the making, an inevitable strike,
;hat none of us would contemplate the
%nd in its magnitude, a wise, godly and
lust Leadeia to avert the course against
I power that operated in the country,
government issued a circular to the
workers of the land ordering them as
;he order of the day, to resume your
employmentt until such time as you are
ordered and that is the cause. And the
aftermath of it is quite clear. As soon
is the workers resumed work everything
went smoothly.
If it were not an order from a Trade
Jnion Leader that could have controlled
;he workers the incidents then that
night have been anticipated would not
aave gone in a letter to the Trade Union
Secretary for acts of violence then the
governor may have had the cause to
write as he did write as a reply to the

Union's letter as the date expressed here
this morning.
The question of victimisation goes
much further than what is expressed in
mere incidents of incitements, mere in-
cidents of 24 hours' notice to those who
have served you faithfully and well in
times passed but because of the fact
that a paternal government failed to do
its duty to the people who live and do
well in those cow houses north of the
dry river, but in some incidents 24 hours'
notice was given, and ruffians in the
form of estate watchmen, gun men, in-
timidate people with rifles who could go
in 24 hours and if not throw them
That is one form of victimisation.
The worse form is that in that circular,
circular No. 1, issued in the strike affair,
to return those workers to work, one of
the cries of the Plebians, those goodly
gentlemen, estate plantation owners, the
cry was "let there be no victimisation".
It is not a new thing that there are
strikes especially when there is no esti-
mate of a cost of living here, because
who determine the revision? Who deter-
mine whether his expectation of life is
short? No one. But we see something
here, the approximate cost of living
figures, and even that can tell you that
while those cost of living figures go sky-
rocketing, we find the labourer still re-
main quo status, that he cannot pur-
chase the food he eats or the clothes he
wears with any degree of ease.
Strikes occurred just at the same
period as at Mt. Bentinck throughout the
West Indies. Those strikes as you read,
those of us who can read, those of us
who are given a chance to read and
those of us who are the order or reading,
we all know, those who read, that* it is
the legitimate of right of workers to
bargain and to demand a price for his
labour. Just as Mt. Bentinck sells its
sugar at so much per bag so it is the
maker of that sugar in the form of a
labourer can bargain for the price of
his labour, befitting a reasonable wage
for his existence in work and trade. But
it don't appear to be so here. It is that
after all that was said and done, the
P.Sta.tpQ likp Mnr s "1 willin ,n Wl .- +1,

estate of Grand Sable, the estate of
Orange Hill begun to victimise people
with frightful intensity and all that
were aimed at Union members to deprive
them of work. The Mt. William Estate
sent for labourers at Colonarie, South
Rivers, to do the arrowroot digging in
their arrowroot fields to the exclusion of
their own workers who served them for
umpteen years because of the strike.
And not only that. A letter to Mr. Had-
ley, registered post, can tell the tale.
Not only that, Mr. Davis, his estate
manager, in the very period of an unrest
for wages in that area used his estate
guns and his own pistols firing like a
madman to intimidate and excite the
Those things were reported to Mr.
William Hadley, C.B.E., the owner of
both Gorse and the North Union Estates.
The question of that document is writ-
ten on the "26th day of May, 1956, to
Mr. William Hadley, Union Estate Ltd.,
St. Vincent, British West Indies-
I am to draw your attention to an
acute stage of victimisation taking place
in the Gorse Estate of which you are
Your Manager, Mr. Davis, apart from
having a personal dislike for Members
of the above Union, he is now taking
time off to stop the people on the Gorse
Estate declaring to the victimised worker
"Go let Joshua give you work". Believe
me, Sir, it would be my greatest pleasure
to give them work and so allow your
estate management then to ask for the
surplus of a few of them.
Those workers victimised and refused
work are the regular workers of the
Gorse Estate.
These are:
Dulcina Ollivierre
William Ollivierre
Littleman James
Elcina Learmond
Alexander McKenzie
George Hughes
Elena George
Catherine Ellis
Nathaniel Lewis.

And so normal conditions created by a
circular to all estates issued on the 12th
May got every workers out to his job and
although the circular appealed to the
consciences of all estate owners yet
many various complaints have to be
made to the estate owners.
I trust that you will see to this matter,
as your Mr. Davis is not doing right
towards his work people.
Also in a report from the people in
that area is that Mr. Davis generally
fires revolvers and guns to excite them.
Please ask him to discontinue this
Yours truly,"
That was signed personally by me.
Again Mr. Eric Hadley a similar letter
with his list was sent and to the Grand
Sable Estate and to Mr. Ian Childs
owner of the Grand Sable Estate.

In accordance with instructions is-
sued by the government of St. Vincent,
you have failed to pay your labourers
the correct and statutory amount due
them for wages for work done from
November, 1955 which you attempt to
pay today. As a consequence, you have
underestimated the work done by your
labourers and paid them as you feel thus
creating your own regulations. The
wages received by your labourers are
hopelessly inadequate and miscalculated.
The workers complain that when com-
plaints were made to you about their
wages the armed men surrounded your
paytables pulled weapon at them, that is
to say the guns and revolvers with
which they were armed."
That is the type of thing you have in
this country. That is the thing that
you have here: that as soon as anything
looks like being something for the
labourer you have a super-abundance of
arms around them. Well, this country
is not a barbarous country like say
Jamaica wanting that thing? Where
men are accustomed to that type of
thing would condone these jcts in this

peaceful lawabiding country. Who is in
there would have come and given police
instructions to load and fire and did not
have a reason? Which part of the
world? Name it. At a time you would
have met people in disturbances, dis-
putes; you would have met people doing
unlawful acts, breaking the peace; you
would have, met them there, stoning,
doing all ills of their nature; you
wouldn't have come on a peaceful morn-
ing breaking the peace with the din of
war and war weapons to execute two
warrants; you would have met them
there in battle array but you would have
met them and no debate would have
been necessary here. No sanction from a
House that is supposed to protect the
Colony-The Legislative Council-would
have been necessary. Because then it
would have been obvious before the eyes
of all that the violence to which the
Governor referred would have been there
but obviously since he asked for a public
declaration that the Union was not tak-
ing part in what imaginary violence he
had in mind before he can see represen-
tatives of the Union, well then if the
incitement had registered with the hope
and wickedness of those who were in-
citing them well all would have been
over and this House would not have
been burdened with this debate. But
the hands of God is more powerful than
the hands of wicked, cruel men.
"What we are concerned with at the
moment, however, is not the manner
or circumstances under which- the
money was paid but rather the sums
paid to these labourers contrary to the
government rates and regulation and
the work accomplished by your labour-
ers during the period of November to
the date of executing these payments.
It is stupid to assume that any one
citizen of this country can bar the law
and do just as he pleases.
As the representative of the workers
who have made these complaints and
who are all members of the Federated,
Industrial and Agricultural Workers'
Union I call upon you to appoint a day,
as soon as 'possible from this date, so
that we can adjust these labour dis-

putes. Preferably the Labour Com-
missioner will also be there as he has
received similar-reports from Federat-
ed Industrial and Agricultural Work-
ers' Union from other estates in the
same connection."
Yet what has happened? Although
the Labour Commissioner has received
copies of every one of these letters, be-
cause I have not sent a letter yet to any
estate unless I sent one also to the
Labour Commissioner, and if it is of
preat importance another of the same
type to the Administrator himself. But
the Labour Commissioner didn't worry.
He finds that these are not matters to
worry with. So therefore then the es-
tate owners are their own Lords, their
own Lords of their estates and no gov-
ernment decrees outlined to stay can
amend decrees that when the govern-
ment thinks it is fair those who can't
read and write suffer; those who are
members of Unions for spite and what
you call vengeance, they are given less
so that you can go. to meet your Joshua
if you like. These things must cease.
I have borne a lot- I have borne in this
community more than Job of the Old
Testament and I believe if a government
worthy of the name hearing those com-
plaints from time immemorial and do
nothing about them, they are culpable.
The question of the statemerits you
heard this morning the question of what
was put to this Honourable House, the
question of what they know in accord-
ance with the Trade Union is not crimi-
nal. The Ordinance created in 1950 in
this Council is as clear as day. Thou-h
the acts of trade vnion matters are in
restraint of trade, the acts of a trade
union are not criminal but it anpears
to every riRht thin'-ing person that the
acts of a trade uni'n in St. Vincent are
criminal because no sooner than every-
one was at his wit's end to know what
will happen. All the propaganda
preached to cane peasants and to those
who had influence in districts to influ-
ence the workers against the unionists
leaders, we notice that the governor
came here and that his even date, that
is the date of his arrival a government

communique was published the morn-
ing of flhe 9th. That communique it was
asume i by the Vincentian newspaper
of the date the 19th May, to be the
Governor's order of the workers back
to work. Somebody ironically has put
it back in a joke-we must have a joke
at times-- Governor orders his slaves
back to work."
The question was that the strikers at
Mt. Bentinck returned to work and pecu-
liarly enough after that was made an
attack on the Trade Union Leader with
arms and armed men so much so that
my wil-e was insulted by the Deputy
Superintendent of Police in that he
broke in her bedroom when she was in
the nude. No civilisation can account
for all that. What was that for? What
was all that for? In the general round
of exec iting two police warrants which
you can make at any moment, at any
time, what was that for? What was
the wa:'rant even had he interposed into
there despite protests but ordering
policemen there. So therefore then ac-
cording to the Trade Union Ordinance it
would appear that the Member for
Ncrth Windward if he didn't attempt
t. have anything to do with the workers
wculd I e re-perted as such but once you
have anything to do with the workers
you are criminal in that that is the way
you wculd be treated. That's the only
interpretation Chat an honest man can
g0' e to- such an action. But that's not
all That is not all.
The Trade Union Ordinance says that
a Unifc is not criminal because it acts;
in the restraint of trade; it is not
criminal in that it goes forward to repre-
sent workers to bargain for their labour;
it is not criminal in that the Union
itself created a stoppage that is accept-
ed in the heart of the Metropolis of the
Empire and what were essential trades
In Trinidad the same thing happened
-strikes occurred. In Jamaica where
Sir Alexander was rough with Manley in
that he unloaded cargo by emergency.
Well you can understand the attitude of
the Jamaica Government no matter
what the workers think or their leader.

An emergency was properly proclaimed
and it was known in the emergency that
there should be no assemblage of people.
That is obvious and since that is so you
can understand the attitude of the
Jamaica government in shooting point
blank there to the workers or attempt-
ing to shoot. The attempt is just as
wilfull as shooting. In Jamaica because
there was in truth and in fact a state
of emergency existing to the displeasure
of Sir Alexander Bustamante. But you
have here as to a rampage of us you
come out to incite and for all that in-
citing you have no record that the Gov-
ernor's letter to the Trade Union was
right. If he was misdirected he was
responsible Minister of Labour. The
worker thought him to be, and being
responsible Minister of Labour as the re-
sponsibility of his portfolio carries he
should have checked the truth that the
Union was engaged in the disturbances
and violence, not to ask them to make
a public declaration. On what? What
was the violence? That the amount of
men mained and lay in hospital, that
the amount of men shot by persons un-
known or that for that you write quickly
your public declaration but for those you
are not concerned into it.
Why then did the Administrator as
the Minister of Labour on the spot
attempt to call in the Union? Why then
did ha? attempt to act as honest broker?
Why then did he attempt to get both
parties together? Why then did he at-
terrpt to go tc Mt. Bentinck and meet
worke-s there? Why then did he at-
ter p to go to the Town Hall and meet
the Foard telling them that the cane
farme s wouldn't get their canes grind
and that Mt. Bentinck would close
down? Was he not an interested party
son- where or ( there ? Either the workers
or factory are pleased or go to the Mt.
Bentinck Estates Ltd. It is clear in
+hat c'ebate and I am putting the honest
to Go I facts before you. Take them or
leave them.
If you think that these facts disclosed
here need no satisfaction in this com-
munity, for an enquiry with your leave
I am at present taking my time to put

all the facts and circumstances here be.
cause when you know you couldn't say
the facts were not presented. And o01
course the whole episode almost an
awful tragedy has ended well so far
human lives are concerned. I had the
greatest job.
Gentlemen, you ever heard anything
like this in all your lives? We know
that in all communities people are so
violent at such a time that you would
have to have all forces to deal with
them but a frail woman after the ex-
citement -of armed men with fixed bayo-
nets, over a loud-speaker telling you to
keep the peace, do not do anything un-
toward, avoid those murderous bayonets
and rifles of Colonel Anderson, fool
somebody you had disturbances? Well,
I cannot imagine, Alice in Wonderland
should never furnish a parallel.
The question was that it was known
to us that the police are beaten back
despite all their arms and attacks.
Bodies lay on the ground dead, dead
from gunfires and the rest but you have
a peaceful set of people and you brand-
ishing weapons before them to incite
them to public disorder and then telling
us you have disturbances and despite
that telling no distrubances was allow-
ed. Not a hair of a police was singed
but you have many maimed men with
burst heads, blood streaming from their
heads dying from the wounds from
police riot staffs.
Who then was the Government refer-
ring to in his letter when he replied to
the Union's letter that save and except
you make a public declaration that the
Union is not concerned in acts of vio-
lence in the Georgetown area the Gov-
ernor wouldn't see your Union? It
wasn't my Union, it was an assemblage
of the Federated Industrial and Agricul-
tural Workers. Those are the things
the Governor refuse to see, not Joshua's
Union because for I alone I need no
Union. I dig no arrowroot or cut no
cane but I am there in duty bound ap
pointed by the people to seek their just
dues. And that is what I am going to
do though the heavens fall.

The question is that in all civilised
lanas that is done and you want our
country to appear more backward than
any other country in the world? Those
are the things therefore because the
underlying cause of these unrests, per-
haps you might know what they are. A
persisten, if I may make this suggestion
because you all were there, persistent
defiance of any rights to the workers and
the workers' claim. We have the right
to work them but without protection;
we have the right to fix a Wage Board
for you and fix your minimum wage; you
have no right to collective bargaining;
we will do all we like in- our power; we
have the aid of the government too in
accomplishing that. Well, if that is so
federation is coming, what would be the
state of our country? It would be that
since the whole country is an agricul
Lural country estates owners are noi
conscious of their duty toward theii
work people and that there is no protect
tion from a government and the Govei
nor himself is Minister of Labour only
using force in an imperialistic fashion
Well, what is our lot in this country?
Must the worker begin to dig their graves
with their own shovels and go down in
it? That is why we ask for this enquiry
We are entitled to life. We are entitled
to the Gracious Favour of the Queen for
our loyalty and so on. And if that is sc
the labourer has a right to send his re
port and to have it safely sent. This
House has a right, be it the first Labout
government so far set up by the votes ol
the workers with the work people whc
put us all here. It didn't put the Nomi-
nated Members. They were put by a
fiat of the Crown. And if we sit here
and just feeling that an investigation
into what is laid down here this morn
ing is not necessary then no debate will
be passed. Posterity, God and Historl
and Fate will remember your judgement
and of course I don't think I should
weary your patience any longer.
There are a lot more facts but I fee'
that you had enough. I feel that suffi
cient was put forward here. Any man
who isn't acting from a Dartial motive

any man who is not actuated by some-
thing else than an honest motive will
cork his ears from every single syllable
that v. as imparted here this morning be-
causes what argument can be against a
complete stoppage of work for ten weeks
to talk about proof when there was time
Of course the proof of which you
sueak was never an honest statement.
l he proof was only because the workers
were never united, half fighting half,
and while the cane should have come
from all over the windward area, come
from the .grounds of peasants, well we
know how to get those canes out here
reaped in due course. We have oitr
plans, don't worry with them. And the
plans worked until 1956 and it would
have still worked further but fate and
destiny seemed to decide the way of
everything that happened.
From out of the blue when I myself
thought that this crop would have been
reaped throughout because there was
honesty (.; wages in the Malone and
Joily Reports to see what they contained
for labourers and I didn't have one eye
t.- any industry until I saw what was
happening there. But in the streets as
I 9aways here certain things and when I
see them come to pass I am surprised to
he.:r ihese things on the street. Serious
things. That the government intend to
dc and when you see and hear those
thii-gs and they come to pass if I could
fy ,o Uranus or fly away I should do so
be :ause it appears to me that safety is
oc, growing on our streets. And of
co. rse out of the blue an incident oc-
curred. A very peculiar incident. Where
out of the blue at the junction of the
Cc: narie estate, owned by the Third
Nominated Member, we see a secret am-
bush of police seizing men at that end
hurling them in a truck. Starving them
so that they may revolt so that at the
last moment something would be gained
and clean the sheet and record of this
Why were men so anxious to do that
only God in Heaven knows. Why were
men so anxious to do everything to in-

cite the people to public disorder, I my-
self could never tell. I am no God. But
every act, every inch of an act was done
to incite the people to public disorder.
It must be a dim, dark secret. One of
these days the secret would be known,
no matter what form this motion takes.
I myself would be interested but I myself
would agree with any way this motion
takes because there is a statement that
was made and recorded by a great

"Life is a checkerboard of nights and
Where destiny with men for pieces
Hither and thither moves and makes
and slays
And one by one back in the closet
The ball......"
That is the ball of life.
"The ball no question makes of ayes
and noes"
Our regrets that we should have done and
what we left undone.
"But right or left as strikes the play-
er goes,
And he that tossed thee down into
the field
He knows about it all, He knows, He

Those who play the game of life fairly
and squarely, debates of the kind would
never be necessary. For our "whisper-
ing are abroad. Unnatural deeds do
breed unnatural troubles. Infected
minds even to their death pillows will
discharge their secrets." And I say ever
to do the right thing. Once you are
right: "thrice is he armed that hath his
quarrel just."
HON. J. A. BAYNES: Mr. Chairman,
Honourable Gentlemen, I rise to support
a motion which the outline was given to
us at length, but that motion in its re-
solve asked for a Commission of Enquiry

to be set up to inquire into the causes
and occurrences in strikes of the North
Windward areas from 11th March to
19th May, 1956.
This motion in my estimation is one
which deserves support for an Enquiry.
Because I have listened at length to an
outline made by the Honourable Member
for North Windward and whether this
lengthy statement and outline be all
true, be 50% truth and 50% lies, be all
lies for that matter, this was quite clear.
And I am merely determined to add
from what I have deducted from this
outline. What was brought out from
this outline could be nothing else but
Every Member around this Table
knows that in any country that is 100%
agricultural, jobs are always few. And
as a consequence, jobs, being few, it
leaves tremendous opening for people's
rights and liberties to be abused. That
goes without saying. I don't believe
that I have to rub that in.
Besides that, around this Table, where
eight elected members now sit to repre-
sent the peoples of St. Vincent, it was
once the seat of Members chosen by
this government and persons no less
than estate owners. That goes to show
that even the laws that we have before
us, day in day out, with the varipus
amendments, were merely rings of pro-
tection for vested interest of yesterday.
Those are conditions which no one can
'Well, this motion today is directly
based on a strike that took place, the
first of its kind in the city of St. Vincent,
and I am aware that this strike created
a terrible amount of unrest in all circles
Because estate owners never thought
that labourers could come together. Dis-
unity has guided them all through the
years. The labourers themselves were
amazed, not believing that they them-
selves could have held a strike for 8
weeks, but it was done for the first time
in the history of St. Vincent. Well, that
brings this to light: that this is a transi-
tion period and for the first time in the
history of St. Vincent workers are begin-

ning. to unite. Comnmonsense tells me
that sine thai is on the 1,orizcn that
the expc.iatikn o- lab urez's dcne b;
estate owners of yesterday is fa t com-
ing to an end and collective bar aining
is bound to take its place.
I bclie e this is :; peli:'d which every
progressive country under the s in has
once faced at some time )r othei. This
is not something new. It, is nev. to St.
Vincent because we aie just going
through this period, but every island of
the British Caribbean, e\ery progressive
country in the worlh, has had this experi-
ence. And we needn't go very far to
prove it. I shall read a passage to yo'u
from a book entitled "Wh we. e they
proud?" Written by Harold M,.n. He
"Between 1935 and 1937, the cost cf
living rose by 17% but w'ages remained
The greviances of workers fo md ex-
pression in the voice of Uria Butler
who formed a party to organise the
For promoting a strike on the forest
reserve fields of Trinidad Leaseholds
Ltd., in June 1H37, Butler was sen-
tenced to two years' imprisonment.
The strike had indeed turned into a
general uprising en a previous attempt
to arrest Butler and order was only
restored by the intervention of the
Butler's purpose nevertheless achiev-
ed all classes of workers were stirred
by the events of 1937 and new Trade
Unions were formed even among agri-
cultural labourers and domestic ser-
The Government was forced tj act so
as to avoid if possible, a repetition of
the disturbances so harmful to trade.
The Governor, apparently had a
strong enlightenment, even criticised
the oil magnates and the planters but
that was considered as going too far
in the direction of conciliation. He
was dismissed from his post and a
Commissioner was sent out to white-
wash the record of Biitish imperial-

Well, you can quite see that in 1935 to
1937, Trinidad too had undergone at
that period the same transition period
that St. Vincent is faced with now and
irrespective of what we might try to do,
we can't turn back clocks. We can't
turn back clocks. It can only mean this
that this strike here in St. Vincent was
an unfortunate incident, but when we
come out here to make an outline and
to ask in a motion that an enquiry be
brought about, I only see this: that this
strike is not the beginning, this is some-
thing that the workers have been fight-
ing for as from 1949. Here in St.
Vincent this government has dodged
every demand made by labour. Mo-
tions were brought to this Chamber ask-
ing for better wages for workers. Gov-
ernment decided that Wages Councils
should be set up. Well, there it is. And
this I think is some commonsense. I am
no educationist but from my humble
deductions I am able to say this:
In days of the past when the landlord
lived and exploited labour it was no-
body's business whether a labourer was
paid a fair wage, yes or no. And when
we have a dispute on labour in. St. Vin-
cent it is not without its counterpart.
You find there is a dispute on labour in
St. Lucia, in Grenada, in Trinidad and
every agricultural island of the British
Caribbean. I believe that during the
past two years all the other islands have
had to settle questions on wages as we
have had to settle. But ours have
turned in and to be decided by a Wages
Well, we can quite see this that in a
Wages Council we are determined to
decide minimum but there is no mini-
mum wage in St. Vincent because your
minimum wage is your maximum wage.
Whenever that minimum wage is de-
cided nobody pays any more. Govern-
ment itself stick to it. There isn't a
worker working for government who
acquires more than the minimum wage.
Therefore you can quite see when I
make a statement that the minimum
wage is the maximum wage and in truth
and in fact that, as I see it, is merely
put to dodge the demands of the

Because here you have it that that
minimum wage as set up in St. Vincent
is not based on a cost-of-living index.,
If you have to base it on a cost-of-living
index then you would be forced to have
one cost-of-living for the average worker
and one cost-of-living for the middle-
class worker who acquire a better stand-
ard of living. When a cost of living
index is taken the worker is not remem-
bered and nobody cares whether what
he acquires can buy his subsistence for
twenty-four hours. That is nobody's
business. As a consequence, you find
that in other islands you have just the
opposite thing. In other islands while
there might be a minimum wage, you
would see, if you follow what happened
in Trinidad, that a cocoa worker is a
different worker to a sugar cane planta-
tion worker, according to the paucity of
profit on the product when sold. The
people who grow "catch" crops like po-
tatoes they are forced to pay the same
minimum wage as those who grow copra.
All he has to do is to pull them up and
turn them into "white gold" and from
the Jolly Report we can see that the lot
of the worker on the Mount Bentinck
Estate is not what it ought to be. I
don't believe that we need any Commis-
sion of Enquiry to tell us that.
Mt. Bentinck Estates was built in 1925
and I will agree that at the time that
Mt. Bentinck was put down it was the
habit of the people to build houses
without lavatory requirements and with-
out cooking facilities. They used to rent
houses like that in Town in 1925. You
had no place to cook and you had no
latrines. But we have gone further than
that and Mt. Bentinck has not even
gone out to prepare someplace where
workers can eat. They haven't gone
out to prepare something Where when
a worker comes out of a furnace, sweaty
and in rags, that he can go in a bath-
room, have a wash and go home to his
family like a decent, civilised citizen.
We haven't "'each there yet. And I be-
lieve that all those facilities when added
together spell wage. Hence, if the fel-
low didn't get wages in is hand and he
didn't get those facilities, every year he

finds himself in more financial circum-
stances, because when you go out to
check, those of us who have been to
Aruba where money is paid for the manu-
facture of sugar, know that in the crop
time the worker is at his best. He lives
Ikie a chief. In the tempo multo what
you call off season, off crop, when he
has 5(e in his pocket he is lucky. That,
I believe, is the common law of every
sugar worker on all sugar estates,
throughout the West Indies. It is *on
that that recommendations have been
made in the big countries that certain
provisions be made to help the sugar
workers- in the off-crop season, but no
consideration has been given workers
here in St. Vincent.
I am not here talking in defense of
the Union. I am giving you here an
honest-to-God outline on conditions as I
see them and on conditions as I feel
they ought to be. Because the most
difficult thing is to keep Unions in an
agricultural country. It is not an easy
thing. The wage paid workers in agri-
culture is never sufficient so that he can
easily pay his subscription to his Union.
That has to be a sacrifice, more so in
St. Vincent where conditions are as
they are.
Gentlemen, this is not a matter that
we can so easily brush aside. This is a
moment when we are given an oppor-
tunity here in St. Vincent to make an
honest attempt to put our economic
house in order so that we will be able
to enter a federation with heads held
high, not as serfs. And that can only
be done when the economic future of
this Colony is kept first and foremost
before the eyes of all concerned.
I am not here arguing individuals.
For Julian Baynes alone I can leave St.
Vincent tomorrow, because I believe I
can make a living anywhere but I am a
Vincentian and the progress and des-
tiny of St. Vincent rest in our hands,
irrespective of who come here. I am
aware that Administrators and Gover-
nors will come and go but the life and
progress of St. Vincent will go on for-

Progress in any country can only be
based on an honest approach to the
problems of labour. We are aware that
in any agricultural country where your
labour force outnumber your peasantry,
you have a very difficult and ticklish
problem. That is St. Vincent's common
law. I am quite aware that it is diffi-
cult for planters who have, yesterday,
ridden on the crest of the wave living on
exploited labour and things of the kind
to decide and come down and say
"rather than paying this in income tax,
let me think of the worker". Because I
believe that that is the trend in all parts
of the world where people have regard
for labour.
There is one firm in Philadelphia that
has 17 employers and rather than pay-
ing Uncle Sam a tremendous amount of
income tax, one motor car was given to
each employed every year. You get rid
of the old one how you can. It is only
considered old when it is a year old.
Every year every employee gets a new
motor car.
Gentlemen, this is a question which
concerns everyone of us directly or in-
directly. Because whether you be doc-
tor, landlord or preacher the working
man pays for all and a country can only
march on to progress when the working
force in that country has some sort of
buying power. And when I say buying
power I don't mean when you buy a
loaf of bread or a pound of flour but I
mean money that is left off after you
have paid your day's subsistence and it
is our duty to make an effort to amend
and bridge the gap which we see before
us at this time.
As I- said before this is not merely a
strike as we, have seen it outlined here
this afternoon. This is a question that
has been going on since 1949 where the
wage of the worker in St. Vincent is
,too far below that of the other islands.
The first enquiry into labour according
to a book "The West Indies and the
Sugar Cane" was put through in 1883.
And in 1883 the minimum wage of Trini-
dad was 250, the minimum wage of St.
Vincent was 240. Today, the minimum

wage of Trinidad is $1.92, the minimum
wage of St. Vincent is $1.20. Well, it
goes to show that the cost-of-living here,
since it is based on that, will be much
below Trinidad. But I will venture to
say this that cost-of-living in St. Vincent
is as high as it is in Trinidad if not
higher. It is a question, that I' believe,
though difficult this group of men have
to find a solution for it. And, Gentle-
men, I hope that you see it possible to
find an antidote that will help us in
solving the economic problems of this
island, since we can see that there is a
tendency that the gap between workers
an employers is becoming wider and
HON. E. A. C. HUGHES: Mr. President
and Honourable Members, the Honour-
able Member for North Windward has
moved a motion requesting a Commis-
sion of Enquiry into the recent strike
and occurences.
The Honourable Seconder has been
talking a lot about wages. I don't think
he probably understands what the Mover
of the motion is moving. We have been
hearing a lot about wages from him. I
don't see what that has to do with it.
We have just had a Commission of En-
quiry into wages and I don't think that
is what the Honourable Mover is asking
for. When we start talking about cost-
of-living and people getting two years in
jail for organising a strike, we are not
talking to children around this Table.
"Butler got two years in jail for organis-
ing a strike": in that case we are far
more developed than Trinidad because a
lot of people have organised strikes here
and nobody has yet got two years in
jail for so doing. Let me try and get
down to the motion, arid the Mover of
the motion and his very lengthy speech
and perhaps forget the irrelevancies.
The Honourable Mover in moving his
motion made a lot of allegations that I
know nothing about. I am not able
to deal with them, perhaps other people
are. I know nothing about various and
sundry estates and victimisations on
them, and police firing bullets into
workers. I don't know anything about

those things. I was not present at any
of those, but I do know the deep seated
history of this entire matter with which
the Honourable Member dealt at some
Perhaps I should preface my re-
marks by saying that in this Colony as
well as in every colony, any territory,
under British rule, we believe that peo-
ple are free. We may be wrong, perhaps
they are not free at all. But in our
limited knowledge, we believe that peo-
ple are free. We believe that people are
free to work if they desire to work and
we believe that people are free not to
work if they do not desire to work. We
believe that people are free to join a
Union if they wish and we also believe
that people are free not to join a Union
if they do not wish. That is basic and
that is fundamental. The sacred right
of a worker to withhold his labour is
matched by the sacred right of the
worker if he so desires and any attempt
to force an unwilling worker to work
will and must be resisted, and any at-
tempt to prevent a willing worker from
working will and must be resisted.
The history of trade unionism through-
out the world shows that we have always
had growing pains in labour matters and
perhaps, perhaps again I am wrong, it
is those growing pains that we in St.
Vincent are experiencing at this present
time. The duty of a Union, as we all
know, is to represent its workers, bargain
on behalf of its workers and negotiate
with employers on behalf of workers
but there is one first essential that is
always required of any man or group of
men who alledge themselves to repre-
sent any workers or groups of workers.
It is no use my turning up tomorrow to
Mr. James and saying "I am a trade
union leader. I represent the United
British Organisation of Manual Workers
and I want you to negotiate with me."
His immediate reply to me will be "You
tell me that. How am 1 to know that?
How do I know you represent these peo-
ple? You can't just walk up here and
tell me you represent these people.
Show me how you represent them and

then we will talk business." And the
Honourable Member for North Windward
in his capacity as also Leader of that
Union well knows that. Although in
the course of his speech this morning
and this afternoon, he said that there was
no sincerity and the request for proof
was never an honest statement and
nobody was really interested he himself
knows that. And he himself knows that
the first thing that you have to do if
you want to bargain with any employer,
is to satisfy that employer that you
represent a large number of workers
employed in that particular industry.
Now why do I say the Honourable
Member knows that? Because in that
same letter that he gave so much publi-
city to this morning, the famous letter
of 1952, from that letter I will quote his
own remarks, not my remarks or any-
body else's. I will quote from the Hon-
ourable Member's own letter.
"5th December, 1952.
Mrs. J. D. Punnett,
Mt. Bentinck Estates Ltd.,
Mt. Bentinck, St. Vincent, B.W.I.
Dear Madam,
It is our desire to inform you that
/ for the forthcoming sugar crop of the
above estate, the Federated, Industrial
& Agricultural Workers' Union that
has the majority of workers in that
Those are his words, not mine. In his
first communication, he says "we want
to bargain with you because we have the
majority of workers in your industry."
"It is the desire of the Federated,
Industrial and Agricultural Workers'
Union that has the majority of work-
ers in that industry to have certain
stipulated rates of wages on the basis
of collective bargaining"
ind so on and so forth. He is replied to
ind asked: "what evidence can you put
forwardd to substantiate the claim made
n your paragraph 1, that you have the
majority of workers in the sugar indus-
ry?" See how the whole matter devel-
>ps? He approaches for recognition.
le says she has the majority of workers.
'he immediate reply, yes, you say you

have the majority of workers, how can
you establish that? What is wrong with
that? Is there anything so strange or
extraordinary about that? Is that not
what any employer would do before he
decided to bargain with the Unions, or
a group of Unions or any particular
Union? Would it not be up to him to
satisfy himself that that Union does in
fact represent the workers?
Now why is it so necessary for him to
satisfy himself? Because if you are go-
ing to negotiate Mr. President and Hon-
ourable Members, with a Trade Union you
want to be certain that when you sign a.
contract and agreement with that Union-
that the Union has sufficient workers in
its membership to be able to enforce
that agreement and see that that agree-
ment is carried out. There is no point
in entering into an agreement with the
Union that cannot be enforced by the
Union. Let us suppose that you were to
enter into an agreement with a Union
that did not really represent the majori-
ty of the workers. You would find your-
self in the position that any group of
worker or group of workers would be
free to strike at any particular time and
say "Well, we are not concerned, you
have an agreement with this man, we
are not members of this Union. We
strike today, we strike tomorrow, we
strike whenever we feel like it." So it
is essential, and it must be essential,
that before you can bargain with any
particular Union that that Union must
satisfy you that it represents a majority
of the workers.
And as I say, the Honourable Member
realises! that because in this first letter,
the first shot in the entire business that
we are discussing today when we notice,
he says, in putting forward his claim to
negotiate because "we have the majority
of workers in your industry". What was
the reply?
"I am directed to state as follows:
(1) That the proof asked for is in-
deilibly written in the Member-
ship Books of the Federated
(2) That this proof can be put to the
test and will be put to the test.

The Union has not only workers in
the majority in your industry but in
any other industry in the North Wind-
ward area."
No suggestion is made "Well, let us go.
Let us call in an arbitration to look at
my books and look at your books and tell
us if we have the majority or not. No
suggestion like that at all. It is indelli-
bly written. Everything remains right
there. Nothing further is heard about
it at all.
We bridge the years, Gentlemen, and
come donw to the year of Our Lord 1955.
In '53 and '54, letters were passing back-
wards and forwards. I could read them
at length but I don't propose to do so
because I don't think the situation will
'be helped by boring you more than is
absolutely necessary.
On the 4th February, 1955, or befQre
that, on the 1st February, 1955, this
Union which claimed to represent all
workers or the majority of workers and
to control them and to be able to tell
them when to strike and when not to
strike, writes as follows on the 1st
February, 1955:
"We draw your attention to reports
from our workers employed in the
sugar industry at Mt. Bentinck that
there is a general stoppage of work"
Not ;aying that we have called a strike.
Or our Union has called a strike. He
says we wish to tell you that our workers'
tell vs there is a strike. These same
workers whom he controls who will
strike when he tells them and will not
strike when he doesn't tell them. They
tell us there is a strike. Well, what's
happening? The reply goes out again.
Again he seeks recognition in that letter..
Again on the 3rd February, 1955, he is
replied to:
"The President,
The St. Vincent Federated
Industrial & Agricultural
Workers' Union,
St. Vincent, B.W.I.
Your letter has been placed before
the Board of Directors and I am in-

structed to inform you that the Ques-
tion of the recognition of your Union
as a bargaining body can only be con-
sidered if and when you can establish
that the majority of the sugar workers
employed by the Company are mem-
bers of your Union.
Nobody is telling him that a trade union
is a criminal thing. Nobody is attempt-
ing to put him in jail. All that he is
being told is that when you can show
that the majority of the workers in the
sugar industry are members of your
Union, then we will talk about recogni-
"This contention was made known to
you on a previous occasion and so far as
this Company is concerned no step has
been taken towards this end." Is there
anything wrong with that? Have we
accused him of being a criminal or a
thief? Or somebody who should be put
away in jail for two years? What is all
this? What is all this that I have been
hearing this morning? About people
going to jail for two years for calling
On the 4th February, 1955, Gentlemen,
two days after that that letter was writ-
ten, this letter came from the Union.
And I ask you to listen to it carefully.
This is a letter to the Labour Commis-
sioner of which a copy was sent to the
"As a result of this letter and as a
consequence of what is popularly call-
ed in working class circles at Mt.
Bentinck, the industrial doctrine of
"Chapmanism" which said doctrine
means the victimisation of all workers
known to hold membership in the
above Union. As a consequence we
are asking the Labour Commissioner
to request the Mt. Bentinck Estates
Management to submit a return of all
workers in field or factory employed
by them within the last three crops
ending with the present crops. On
this score we are prepared to submit to
the Labour Department our main
registers, together with the Sectional
Branch Register of the North Wind-
ward Section. This will disclose that

well over 75% of the workers in the
Mount Bentinck Industry are trade
unionists attached to the above union."
Gentlemen, let me remind you again, I
did not write that letter. That letter
iame from the Federated, Industrial and
Agricultural Workers' Union, and it was
signed by Alma Johnson, Secretary, and
E. Theodore Joshua, President. I will
read it again:
"we are asking the Labour Commis-
sioner to request the Mt. Bentinck
Estates Management to submit a re-
turn of all workers in field or factory
employed by them within the last
three crops ending with the present
crops. (i.e. 1952-53 and 1953-54). On
this score we are prepared to submit
to the Labour Department our main
registers, together with the Sectional
Branch Register of the North Wind-
ward Section. This will disclose that
well over 75% of the workers in the
Mount Bentinck Industry are trade
unionists attached to the above
The Union itself realises that that is
the normal procedure, that you should
satisfy the employer that you represent
the majority of workers and then seek
recognition. So this is where we are,
Gentlemen, on the 4th February, 1955.
To continue, perhaps I should just re-
fer, shortly, because I don't propose to
keep you very long, to the Jolly Re-port
which I was pleased to hear the Honour-
able Member refer to this morning as a
very good report "so far". He did add
the words "so far", and I presume that
meant so far as he cared to read it but
the rest of it perhaps is not so good.
But to go ahead with this let us talk.
We have a Commission of Enquiry into
the Sugar Industry, as such alone. No-
thing else is included, just the Sugar
"On 1st February, the Federated,
Industrial and Agricultural Workers'
Union wrote the Company to the effect
that reports had been received that
the cane cutters had stopped work and
suggested that collective bargaining
should be instituted with a view to

settling the dispute. The Company
replied on 3rd February,"..
And I won't read it again as this is the
the letter I have just been reading for
"The next day, the Union wrote the
Labour Commissioner suggesting that
Mount Bentinck agree to submit re-
turns to him of all field and factory
workers in respect of the three pre-
ceding crop years to be checked
against the Union's membership regis-
ters which were also to be submitted
with a view to settling the question of
recognition. The Company agreed to
this and submitted the relevant lists
but the Union, though informed by the
Labour Commissioner of the receipt of
the lists, and reminded later has so
far failed to carry out its part of the
Gentlemen, this is a very good report,
so we were told. I don't know whether
this part of it is inaccurate or whether
this part of it is lying or whether this
part of it is just plain bad. The Jolly
Commission goes on:
"In the circumstances, one cannot
but deplore the attitude of the Union
in this connection."
"One cannot but deplore the atti-
tude of the Union in this connection."
The Union suggests that they submit
books, ,the Company agreed. The Com-
pany submits, the Union says "No, no,
we are not submitting anything. We
have nothing to do with that any fur-
ther." So is it any wonder that the
authors of this Report from Trinidad,
Grenada and all over the place far and
near, who wrote so many nice things
about all the money that Mt. Bentinck
had received from the country-but we
will come to that in due course-deplore
the Union's attitude, is it surprising that
those gentlemen said that they had to
deplore the attitude of the Union?
"Workers should be encouraged by
both Government and employers to
express themselves collectively in a
constitutional way, but their leaders
must bear in mind that the employer

has a right to demand proof of their
ability to enter into and maintain com-
mitments by reason of a substantial
membership in the industry. It is
And this is a gentleman from Trinidad
who should know all about the history
of labour disputes.
"It is regrettable that too often in
the British West Indies trade union
leaders pay little regard to sound or-
ganisation before claiming the right to
speak on behalf of all workers concern-
ed. They forget that employers, hav-
ing regard to past experience, will see
the need for caution, particularly
when they believe that the evidence is
scanty as to the representative charac-
ter of the Union. In this instance, the
Company took the trouble to prepare
and submit lists of their employees in
respect of three years, only to discover
that it was a waste of time doing so.
We believe that the Union had no in-
tention of ever submitting its records
for scrutiny, but had hoped that the
employers would grant recognition
without pursuing the course of action
which the Union had suggested."
Gentlemen, does that or does that not
deal with this long standing question of
recognition about which we have heard
so much this morning. We have heard
so much about the hatred of the em-
ployers for the workers; their refusal to
allow the workers to organise themselves;
they won't have anything to do with
trade unionism; trade unionism is a
rude word, it is an insulting word, it is
a bad word to these wicked employers.
They don't want to hear about it. I am
speaking about one particular employer
of which I have knowledge and that is
all I can speak about. And I think I
have shown you in as short a time as
possible that far from having attempted
to discourage the Union-and we will
come to the victimisation question in a
moment-we have given them every
opportunity, even by falling in with their.
own suggestion that we send in lists of
names which the Labour Commissioner
can check and see whether you have a
majority or whether you have not got a

majority. "Aha!" says the Honourable
Member, "but that is all nonsense. You
only ask that because you know that as
soon as you discover that a man is a
member of my Union, you sack him." I
honestly don't think that he was refer-
ring to Mt. Bentinck in that particular
context. Perhaps he may have been
referring to some of the other estates.
Because I have here in my files, which I
won't worry to read, long lists, one at
least, one long list that was sent to the
Labour Commissioner with complaints
that these people had been victimised,
and every individual case was explained,
that there had been in fact no victimisa-
tion at all; that some of the people had
left owing1 the Company money, and the
Company would be only too glad to re-
employ them again and know that they
have some wages from which to take out
the debt.
Thirteen names were mentioned.
"Ratty Marksman-This worker has
not applied for work since 1953.
He owes the estate and so it is
in the interest of the estate to
employ him if he applies.
Leonie Medica"-The same thing.
"Eugene Cane-This worker is al-
ways employed in preparing mo-
lasses for shipment when this
work is available."
The unfortunate fact, Honourable,
Gentlemen, is that there, is not enough
work for everybody. There just is not
enough work for everybody. But I think
that the attitude of the Union is that
as long as. you are a member of my
Union and you can't get a job at Mt.
Bentinck you are being victimised. If
you are not a member of my Union and
you can't get a job, that doesn't matter,
you can starve.
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: On a point of
order. I gave a debate this morning and
I related certain statements of facts.
Mr. Hughes, the First Nominated Mem-
ber, can't make statements that I never
made or never attempted to. He cannot
do that.
PRESIDENT: If you are on a point of
order, I cannot understand what you

are contradicting. The Honourable
Member has the......
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: The Honourable
First Nominated Member is making cer-
tain statements in relation to certain
remarks and laying to my charge things
I never said.
PRESIDENT: What did he say that you
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: That because cer-
'tain people were not employed at Mt.
Bentinck, I made statements that they
were victimised. I said that I have
never made any such statements. I
made statements that people were work-
ing there and were dismissed from their
jobs. Those. are the statements that
are referred there to but I discover that
the Honourable First Nominated Member
has twisted this statement.
PRESIDENT: I think that is exactly
what the Honourable First Nominated
Member is saying.
HON. E. A. C. HUGHES: I am reading,
Mr. President, from a list of workers
which was submitted by the Union to the
Labour Commissioner claiming that
these were the people who had been
victimised. This is a letter from the
Labour Commissioner:

"Dear Mr. Bryan,
Mr. Joshua has informed me that
before you assumed duties the follow-
ing persons were victimised because
they are members of his Union and are
Ratty Marksman
Leonie Medica
Eugene Cane"....
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: No, Mr. Speaker,
that's not what I am complaining of.
HoN. E. A. C. HUGHES: Well, I don't
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: That's not what I
rose on. That is well and good. That
is written. The First Nominated Mem-
ber has a clever way of twisting facts

here to suit his purpose. He is saying
that I have made certain statements,
meaning Joshua holds the view that if
members can't get work at Mt. Bentinck
I regard that as victimisation.
HON. E. A. C. HUGHES: No. no, no. I
am saying that .....
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: That is what you
are saying.
HON. E. A. C. HUGHES: No, no, no.
The Honourable Member misunder-
stands me. I am saying that that is the
deduction that one has to draw from it.
That is the only deduction that one can
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: You didn't say
HON. E. A. C. HUGHES: Here are the
lists of names. And, incidentally, I
must record how proud I am to be ac-
cused of being able to twist facts by the
absolute past master in that line. I
don't believe there is anyone in this
island, at least, who would dare to chal-
lenge the Honourable Member for North
Windward for the absolute champion-
ship of fact twisting.
PRESIDENT: I am not entirely sure
that that is a parliamentary expression.
HON. E. A. C. HUGHES: I beg your
pardon, Mr. President, I withdraw it.
But we go on, over these names, rea-
sons giving that they either had not
applied to work, we get down to one I
see here, Ruth Spring. She has been
victimised apparently.
"This worker has not worked at the
estate for the past eight years and has
been working at Orange Hill since
That was a victimised worker that we
were being complained about in 1955.
Had not worked at Mt. Bentinck for 8
years, had been working at Orange Hill
and in fact that same Ruth Spring was
one of the persons who gave evidence
before the Malone Commission in the
Georgetown court in the presence of Mr.
Joshua. And because I recognized the

name she was asked, in the presence of
the Honourable Member for North Wind-
ward whether in fact she had been work-
ing at Mt. Bentinck and been victimised.
She said "No, I have been working at
Orange Hill."
Now let us deal with victimisation. In
the other Report that deals with both
the question of recognition and the ques-
tion of victimisation. We go to the
Malone Report now. .We leave the Jolly
In dealing with this same question of
recognition it says at page 30:
"Attempts have been made by the
And this is talking about the Federated,
Industrial and Agricultural Workers'
"Attempts have been made by the
Union to institute collective bargain-
ing with employers in the agricul-
tural industry. The record discloses
that attempts have been made to nego-
tiate with the Mt. Bentinck Estates
Ltd, on behalf of the sugar workers
employed in the fields and factory of
the Company. The Union failed to
satisfy the Company that it did in
fact represent a substantial body of
workers with the result that recogni-
tion of the Union has been withheld
by the Company.
On the other hand, the Union has
maintained that the Company has pur-
sued a policy of victimization against
its members."
"On the other hand, the Union has
maintained that the Company has pur-
sued a policy of victimization against
its members. This does not appear
to be so for some of the witnesses who
gave evidence at the Commission's
sittings at Georgetown admitted that
they had obtained employment at Mt.
Bentinck after the Company became
aware of their Union-membership."
Gentlemen, in the very recent past
we have had two Commissions of En-
quiry. One presided over by Dr. Profes-
sor Jolly, from the Imperial College of

Tropical Agriculture. The same man
who prepared our ten-year plan and all
sorts of things. The other presided
over by Sir Clement Malone. Both of
them deal with the question that the
Honourable Member is labouring today:
the question of recognition and the ques-
tion of victimisation. Dr. Jolly deals in
no uncertain terms with the question of
recognition. Sir Clement Malone tells
you that the members of the Union tell
him that "we got work even though they
knew we were members of the Union."
But still we are told victimisation, victi-
misation. There is this cry of victimisa-
tion all along.
"We did not think that the Union
had done badly in its attempt to
organise the workers within the short
period of its. formation, particularly
as the history of trade unionism in
St. Vincent has not been a happy one
and the workers are now naturally
inclined to be cautious in such mat-
ters, but its efforts appear to be hamp-
ered by transportation difficulties,
poverty of the workers and the absence
of suitable personnel at top level. It
struck us that Mr. Joshua was obliged
to himself perform all the duties
which normally fall upon the many
officers of such an organisation.
"In the circumstances, it would be
hardly reasonable for the Union to
except at present to be accorded full
representative status on behalf of all
agricultural workers, but it is hoped
that its efforts will be rewarded by a
larger and more widespread member-
ship in the years to come and that the
day will not be too far removed when,
by reason of its strength and proven
capacity to represent the workers in
an efficient and democratic manner, it
may take its place in influencing the
policies and. practices of the agricul-
tural industry."
To that, Gentlemen, I say Amen, so be it.
I think I have dealt with the Honour-
able Member's two major points, the
question of recognition and the question
of victimisation, both of which have
been dealt with fully and completely
and I may say, from his point of view,

adversely by two Commissions of En-
quiry that have just met. What are we
asking for now in St. Vincent? A gov-
ernment by Commission of Enquiry?
We have had two Commissions of En-
quiry within the recent past, one on
wages and one on the sugar industry.
We have heard another motion this
morning asking for a Commission of En-
quiry for education. Now we have a
Commission of Enquiry to do something
else. Let us institute government by
Commission. Is that what we are going
to do?
The Honourable Member in dealing
with this matter made many references.
I am not going to deal with all of them,
I can promise you that. But he does
make it appear that it is some wicked
machination on behalf of the Mt. Ben-
tinck Estates Ltd. and probably in col-
lusion with the government of St. Vin-
cent why we do not today have a second
sugar factory in St. Vincent.
He says in his opening remarks in 1952
the question of a second sugar factory
was raised, for some unknown reason
this plan was stalled and Mt. Bentinck
remained the sole sugar monopoly.
Honourable Members, have we forgot-
ten the efforts that were made? Be-
cause it was in this practically the same
House. We were all members of this
same House. I don't think the Honour-
able Member for South Windward was,
if I .am not mistaken, and the Third
Nominated Member, but I think apart
from those two the rest of us were all
Members, but this attempt was madesto
bhtain a second sugar factory for St.
The government had actually obtain-
,d an option on a factory in Barbados
;o buy, lock stock and barrel. A factory
calledd "Joe's River." Why couldn't we
;tart a second sugar factory here? Be-
'ause no one but a fool would manufac-
;ure anything unless he knows wheer he
s going to sell it; unless he knows that
ie can sell it. Now it is within the
mowledge of all of us that of every
agricultural commodity in the world to-
lay there is not one so strictly regulated
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Agreements down to Commonwealth
Sugar Agreements, plus all the agree-
ments between the United States and
Cuba and the Phillipines and Puerto Rico.
The fact remains that today you are on
quota for every ounce of sugar that you
produce and you intend to export.
What was St. Vincent's petition at
that time? We had a quota to export
1,500 tons of sugar. That quota was
already being filled by Mt. Bentinck.
The application was made to the im-
perial government to give us a larger
quota, an additional 5,000 tons, so that
we could start a new factory. For the
simple reason that it was realized that
a factory making less than 5,000 tons of
sugar a year cannot be a truly efficient
unit. We applied for 5,000 tons, we
weren't given tons. We were told not
one bit more. We were told that Aus-
tralia, South Africa and India all over
the place had to be consulted and they
said "No, if there is any further sugar
to send to England we already have.
We are already over-producing sugar.
We have more sugar than we know what
to do with. Let us send it to England.
Why put down another factory to make
more sugar to become surplus on the
market?" Therefore we had to let go
this factory.
Nobody was more distressed than I
was because with all its shortcomings
not one of you can point to a single
agricultural undertaking in the colony
of St. Vincent that has the record for
the past 12 years that Mt. Bentinck has,
in distributing wealth and giving employ-
ment. In 1943 the production of sugar
at Mt. Bentinck was 973 tons. Last
year it was 4,500. Such were the efforts
made that Mt. Bentinck was given for
this year, and this year only, a provi-
sional additional quota of 500 tons and
it was made quite clear that this was
purely a temporary thing and it had to
be ratified. What has happened to that
extra 500 tons? It cannot, it will not
be met. It is represented by canes that
have rotted in the Mt. Bentinck mill
yard and all over the countryside in the
fields of peasants and large producers.
That 500 tons have not only gone but it
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anything like it back again. That is
one thing that we have lost.
We have heard from the Mover and
from the Seconder that the minimum
wage is always a maximum wage. Again
I do not think that he intended to in-
clude Mt. Bentinck in that and I will
say no more. Because he knows and
knows perfectly well that the only agri-
cultural concern that over the past
three or four years has consistently paid
above the minimum wage has been Mt.
Bentinck Estates Ltd.
The Honourable Member talks going
back to the days of 1952 and his arrest,
he says we can see the presumption
from the dates and all the rest of it that
he moved this motion or asked some
questions and two days later he was
arrested. We can also see presumptions
from dates. And we know that the word
"recognition" was never mentioned,
never mentioned in here or at Mt. Ben-
tinck or any where else. Not even after
the llth March, two days after the
ministerial elections had taken place
when the Honourable Member was on his
feet all day. Up to that time the word
"recognition" had never been mentioned
for this current year. We. can see signi-
ficance from dates also, at least, I can.
We have had, Honourable Members, a
long time listening. I don't propose to
weary you much longer but the Honour-
able Member made one reference which
I cannot pass up. That is the right of
peaceful picketing. Peaceful picketing.
Let us talk a little about peaceful picket-
ing. What is peaceful picketing? Inti-
midation of workers? Threats, written
and verbal? Shooting at men who
dared to go and attempt to work? That
is peaceful picketing?
HoN. E. T. JOSHUA: On a point of
order, Mr. Speaker. You have to take
your seat to hear a point of order.
HON. E. A. C. HUGHES: Well, I am pre-
pared to sit down.
PasmrENT: This does not appear to be
a point of order any more than I am the
Speaker of this House, I am the Presi-
dent of this House.

HON. E. T. JOSHUA: Mr. President,
how can the Honourable First Nomina-
ted Member attempt to assume in his
remarks here "peaceful picketing"-
these things are from a Union-how can
he make remarks here to say that those
pickets shoot at men, have actually in-
timidated men? Where is the proof?
That's the point of order.
PRESIDENT: I don't think it is a point
of order but I will leave it to the Hon-
ourable Member to deal with.
HON. E. A. C. HUGHES: Mr. President,
I have made no allegation. I am just
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: I can't under-
stand English, then I am a Dutchman.
HON. E. A. C. HUGHES: I am just ask-
ing what is peaceful picketing That is
all I ask. What is it? And I asked is
it certain things. I am not saying that
the Honourable Member or his Union
has done any of these things but I am
saying that these things did take
place. People's houses were stoned.
People who had nothing to do with Mt.
Bentinck but who just happened to live
In Georgetown: We talk about a reign
of terror but we know this that people
who have never worked in the Mt. Ben-
tinck factory and never will work there
had arrowroot factories burnt; we know
they had cattle poisoned; we know that
one poor individual was stopped on the
Colonarie stretch on this same day that
we hear about 64 innocent men being
rounded up by the police. One man was
stopped on his jitney on the Colonarie
stretch, knocked on the head and he
spent a month in the hospital-Mr.
Lester Smith. That is not violence ap-
parently. It is not violence. A jack
spaniard flew into his eye or something
and that caused him to be in the hospi-
tal for a month.
All those things I am saying, Mr. Presi-
dent, took place. The Honourable Mem-
ber is perfectly correct. I cannot' put
forward one iota of proof that he or his
Union was responsible for those things.
He is perfectly correct, but I will say

this. That the Honourable Member as
the Elected Member for that particular
constituency and as the Leader of that
Union, knows that all these things that
did take place were wrong and knowing
that, it should not be beyond him to get
up on his feet and condemn them out of
hand. To this moment we have not
heard anything mentioned about Mr.
Lester Smith and the Kingstown Hospi-
tal. We have not heard one word men-
tioned about the man at whom three
shots were fired. They don't count. We
have heard all about people bleeding
from the riot staffs of Mandeville and
Commission but we haven't heard
about this.......
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: On a point of
order, Mr. President. This morning I
made no such remarks as Commissiong
and Mandeville people bleeding from
their staffs and that should not be re-
Corded here.
PRESIDENT: I think it will have al-
ready been recorded by the tape ma-
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: Well, then there
is a record......
HON. E. A. C. HUGHES: Well, then
"bleeding from the riot staffs". We will
remove Mandeville and Commissiong
from it, apparently. It doesn't really
matter but we heard a lot about people
with heads burst with the riot staff. We
heard about that,-but we haven't heard
one word about the man who was shot
or about the man whose cattle was
poisoned or about the man who spent a
month in hospital and had to go to
Bequia to recuperate and hasn't recov-
ered yet; we haven't heard one word
about the arrowroot factory that was
burnt down; we haven't heard one word
about the houses that were stoned. All
these things did not take place. They
just did not happen.
Now the Honourable Member quite
rightly said that there is no proof that
he or his Union was responsible for that.
I agree with him. There is absolutely
no proof whatever. There is also no
proof that I did it. And I stand on my
feet and I deplore it and I take strong

exception to that attitude, that hooli-
ganism, and I would expect every rea-
sonable and responsible citizen of this
community whatever be his views or posi-
tion to deplore it equally. But I have
sat throughout a 31/2 hour speech and
have heard not one reference oblique or
direct made to any of those incidents.
They just apparently did not occur.
Honourable Members, in all these
things it is perhaps good to pause, to
think and decide that the time has come
when we must decided whether it is in
the interests of this Government, of this
Colony, and of all of us, to have yet
another Commission of Enquiry to come,
or, at least, to recommend to His Excel-
lency, because he is the only person with
the power to appoint Commissions of
Enquiries, and enquire all over again
into matters that were enquired into not
as much as a year ago. I believe the
Malone Commission sat sometime in
November and the Jolly Commission a
little before that. So not a year has
elapsed since we had two Commissions.
Is it in the interests of all of us to have
yet another Commission to come and
listen to the same evidence and write
the same thing all over again? Are we
moving fast toward a state where what-
ever happens we are going to have a
Commission of Enquiry and call our-
selves a Government by Commission,
like Newfoundlaid? Or are we sup-
posed to have a constitutional govern-
ment which is progressing and we hope
will continue to progress to the point of
ultimate self government? Is that com-
patible with these repeated Commis-
sions of Enquiry?
Honourable Members, I don't know
what your views will be. I certainly see
no justification for the appointment of
any Commission of Enquiry as requested
in this motion and I shall vote against
HON. C. L. TANNIS: Mr. President,
Honcurable Members, I listened with
great patience to an address given by
the Honourable Member for North Wind-
ward. The motion was seconded and
then on the other side you heard the
First Nominated Member replying to cer-
tain statements that were made in the

deliveries of the Honourable Member for
forth Windward.
I am not going to repeat this after-
ioon any statements that were made
either by the Member for North Wind-
ward or the First Nominated Member
,ut I would like to say this: that as far
is I know the statements made by the
First Nominated Member, in as much as
[ know about the whole situation, there
were quite a lot of allegations made
bhis morning about the Government
3eing in collusion with the factory and
.n thus declaring that the factory be
closed. Well, I would like to tell the
Member for North Windward that I as
i member of this Government know no-
thing about this, collusion, and as long
is I remain a Member of this Govern-
.ent, I have no intention, in collusion
with any Company, to close down the
mne and only industry in this country.
We have the facts presented here in the
Jolly Report. You can interpret them
how you like but I have the right to read
and digest the facts presented here.
And I am going to be guided byboth
Reports in all matters that concern the
negotiations between Unions and these
Industries or estates.
Politics and tradeunioinism should not
be mixed up. And I can see clearly that
is why we are so confused with the mat-
ters that were presented by the Honour-
able Member for North Windward this
morning. Using the Union to gain poli-
tical power or strength is not correct.
In the recommendation here the
Wages Councils are recommended for
sugar workers. It is also recommended
that there should be a Works Committee
to go into working conditions, accidents
prevention, employee services (health
and social activities), education, disci-
pline, avoidance of waste, efficiency,
grievances, certain questions relating to
wages and hours. Well, if the Honour-
able Member, as he told us this morn-
ing that this is a good Report, I see no
reason why he should not accept the re-
commendation made in this Report and
r think that would be the course which
omr r a hnnpt. mindpri T.adfir would

follow if he means peace and harmony
and advancement for the Colony and the
people whom he represents.
Point No. 2. It was alleged here this
morning that government tried to break
the strike with force. As far as that is
concerned again I say that that is the
reverse of truth and again I say that I
would never be part and parcel of a
Government who tries to break a peace-
ful strike by force.
The Honourable Member of course is a
brilliant speaker....
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: Twister.
HON. C. L. TANNIs: And as I always
point out him a very good twister of the
English language and he is so fond of
twisting the English language that he
himself is confused then with what he
said and what he did not say.
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: Yes, Professor of
English of the University.
HON. C. L. TANNIS: It appears that
we must go on preaching all by himself,
one mind and thought; he feels that the
stage has not arrived yet where other
men would be able to get up and tell
him where he is wrong. It would be my
honest bet from now on in this House
whenever he attempts to twist the lan-
guage and try to show the Government
up as trying to break peaceful strikes I
shall attempt to clarify the same in
very simple language.
We, of course, have been here quite a
few years, moving motions of all kinds,
making recommendations of all kinds,
but I hope that the day will arrive when
Members will realise that just merely
moving motions in the Legislative House
with a show of words and brilliance of
language is not what is going to put St.
Vincent in its proper place, but a sound
economic plan. For the recovery of this
Island it is going to move us on to
HON. G. H. CHARLES: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I really did not
mean to say anything on this debate
but I think as I am one who has the
authority of trade unionism in this
country T 0hnnilri nv cnmothin, n- +1+

Now I will not tread on the ground
that has already been trodden on. I am
surprised to see a motion as this at this
stage around this Table, because in
truth and in fact as I was telling my
learned friend, the Honourable Member
for North Windward, I can bear testi-
mony today and these gentlemen around
this Table will support me that I saw
the screw that was slack. And I was
willing to give my support in any direc-
tion he liked because I warned him that
there was no one General who could
boast that he could win a war.
This concerned a Trade Union that is
registered, whether it was recognized or
not, and a Leader who formed part and
parcel of the government, but those peo-
ple were on strike for 10 long weeks in
starvation, agony and otherwise, and
when we thought that a special meeting
would have been called by the President
and that the Member would agitate for
a special meeting of this House to deal
with that matter, nothing was done.
The motion that is before this House
today could have been moved then and
[ feel that he would have been justified
in doing that. But what happened? Lo
and behold! After everything has fin-
ished, the people have gone back to their
work peacefully the motion is brought.
I have to agree with the Honourable
Minister for Works when he said that we
must not mix politics and trade union-
[sm. I would have stood up regardless
jf the consequence and proved my man-
riood and to support this motion if in
truth and fact the motion was brought
then. Not the strike, because I think
my friend well knows that if there is
anyone who knows about trade unionism
in an honest manner as far as trade
union laws is concerned is me.
I heard the First Nominated Member
talk about peaceful picketing. I won't
worry to stress the point too much but
peaceful picketing-what is peaceful
picketing? Everybody knows what peace-
ful picketing is. I who understand good
politics I just see the motion and I can
explain everything that is in the motion.
I do not believe that my Honourable
Friend. honest to God, is really talking

about strikes at this stage but rather a
matter of personal hurt and no one can
dispute that. Because he is a man with
followers and is a member of the govern-
ment and if he feels the approach was
not correct and he had brought a mo-
tion asking that either the council or
somebody set up a committee in regard
to the action of the police constables I
do not think that any one would have
disagreed with the motion in that way.
But at this stage after a strike was on
for 10 weeks and they managed to live.
it ,is done.
I do agree with the right Honourable
Member for the Grenadines when he
said that politics must not be mixed with
trade unionism-no part of the world
you get that but I agree you will have to
use a little political strategy. But Hon-
ohrable President, Honourable Members,
read page 14 of this Report, the Jolly
Report, if you want to know if a Trade
Union is right or wrong.
I am in trade unionism for the past 15
years and I think from practical and
personal experience and theory I can
argue with any one along this line. My
friend the Honourable Member for
North Windward can bear this point out,
that in 1950/1951 when he came here as
a Member from the United Workers
Union we had a strike. 100 men were
with the government on the water
scheme and out of the 100, 98 were mem-
bers of the United Workers Union and
two were non members and that was a
peaceful thing.
A strike wants keen engineering. You
want people with sober minds and not
one man but men who understand trade
unionism so that when you make a mis-
take the next man will see it. It was
the same game that they were trying to
play us.
There is no collusion whatsoever so
far as our Government is concerned be-
cause I am saying this the very thing
was tried in his presence. When they
asked me to produce my cards to prove
who were members, I submitted my 98
cards out of the 100. I took them away
from the register and submitted them to

the Administrator and what happened?
They were forced to give us recognition.
Even so at that time it was a sit down
strike. There was no violence. They
sent police too. They picked out all
their experienced corporals and sent
them out but we told them there was no
question of violence at all. We went up
there and after 3 days sitting down on
the job they went to the police and told
them they had to move the police. I
said it was the only thing to do because
it was a peaceful dispute and these men
who are responsible for the police that
if ever anything happens they will have
to pay for it.
I wish to say at this moment that
Trade Unionism tells us that a trade
union is not a military movement.
It is a military movement when the
workers amass themselves under a
keen leadership. Because I wish to
make my point clear, there is no law
which compels any industry to bargain
with a trade union. It is a voluntary
concern and it is by pressure. If you
can close down that industry and the
people want their work done, they either
bargain with you or if they feel they
want to go back to work they go back.
He experienced some of these things in
Trinidad. It was a matter of the Indus-
try and the trade union and the Leaders.
it was just a matter of the strongest one
tells. But I think my friend will agree
when he says that Government is trying
to do this and that it isn't so because he
has seen that when Government stepped
in it was because of violence as the First
Nominated Member said. Complaints
reached Government when they sent out
'Now I am not saying that the things
that happened my Honourable friend or
his unionites are responsible but this is
one thing that a trade union generally
tells its members: that a worker holds
no property in any industry and so the
employers hold no property in that work-
er. They exchange labour for money
that is all. And because of that when I
open my arms to assist my friend he can
see the reason. When war broke out the
Generals there got themselves together

with the American General to exchange
ideas and see what help and so on they
could give. What happened in St. Vin-
cent? Let us put malice and everything
aside. This is my argument. When a
citizen, a native of the Colony who
knows about trade unionism-if it was
that I did not know the job-offers him-
self because I saw the mistake I think
it should be accepted. Some of us may
not be so clear but the fact remains that
when coming to negotiations and strikes
and lock out and peaceful picketings you
must know your onions or otherwise
don't care how you are right you can
still get wrong.
That was the reason why I offered my
What is the position? We have heard
this since 1952. How can you go and tell
somebody that you want to bargain
when in truth and in fact you are not
prepared to throw your cards on the
table. To prove that if there are 1500
workers that you have 700 or 400. Just
talking with your mouth. You go out
in the street or go inside your meeting
houses that cannot bring about any kind
of success for the workers at all. And
I am saying this with all sincerity of
purpose when a trade union leader
doesn't make the right approach and
attack politically you might not get
what you want. I know when it is poli-
tics you lambast anybody to achieve
your political power and you gain votes
and so qn but when you come to indus-
trial relationship it is a very tricky and
tactful concern. And where peoples live-
lihood is at stake you cannot make any
mistake whatsoever. I am surprised to
hear that since 1952 you were seeking
recognition and would not submit your
cards. I heard it on the street but I am
convinced after these reports. What are
we afraid of? Well, I can say that up
to now I am lost as to what it is. You
mean to say an honest leader who can
close down an indsutry for 10 weeks-I
said it here plainly once-should be able
to get anything he wants. Because, Mr.
President, Hon. Members, knowing
unionism so well in any poor Govern-
ment the longest you can attempt to call

a strike for, a tactful leader, is a least
[ will say 48 hours or even 24. That
means to let them know that you are
going to support them. But when you
start for 7 weeks and you haven't got
money to give your people they automa-
tically go back to work because they
have no money to feed themselves. That
is unfair. It isn't good enough to blame
Mr, President, Honourable Members, I
base my subject on this motion to let the
workers know that I am convinced that
the workers, not only in St. Vincent but
throughout the West Indies, do not know
the responsibility of the leader. As long,
as you claim the right to bargain for
workers you have to have charity be-
cause they will hold you responsible for
any acts of violence that are committed.
A leader's work is a very ticklish one
and I think the quicker we make our
workers now that the better for all con-
workers know that the better for all con-
Now I am in sympathy with my Hon-
ourable Colleague and his position but if
he had brought the motion at the time
the approach would have been a horse
of a different colour. But as I said after
10 weeks have passed the people have
gone back to their work, all is quiet and
now a motion is tabled that this Council
set up a Commission of Enquiry to go
into the strike. If during that strike
those poor people were in their houses
hungry the motion had been brought, I
agree that something should have been
done. I know what the Honourable
Members wants to say. That if he had
brought the motion he might not have
got the support but if he had moved the
motion that the approach of the police to
his home as an Honourable Members was
not correct then it would have been a
horse of a different colour. I would
have supported him along that line.
Gentlemen I do not think I shall waste
any more time this afternoon because
the debate has taken up almost the
whole morning. I am in sympathy with
the Honourable Mover of this motion. I
see his views. There is honesty but
there were mistakes from the beginning,

and I wish to tell 'my friend that if
there is any help that I can give him I
will give it to him faithfully and well
without money and without malice.
dent, Honourable Members it seems as if
all the members who take part in this
historic debate do so at length, but I am
going to be the exception to the rule. I
was tempted to remain quiet but I have
changed my mind.
If it had not been for my sense of
responsibility and if it had not been for
the fact that I am quite sure that St.
Vincent is impotent of money I would
not have only voted for a Commission of
Enquiry to go into this affair but I
would have lobbied other Members to
vote for it because from my experience, I
know that quite a lot of good comes from
Commissions of Enquiry. It is a very
revealing thing and there was never a
Commission of Enquiry from which the
colony or the people did not derive some
benefit. This one I am sure would have
been very revealing because we knew
this for a fact that the strike we had
from 11th March to 19th May has
brought about irreparable loss to St.
Vincent. A lot of damage has been
wrought during that time. We know too
that a lot of people have suffered physi-
cally and I have a strong feeling that
an Enquiry of this sort would have
caused punishment to follow close on
We know for a fact that Mr. Lester
Smith was damaged to the extent that
he is almost maimed for life; we know
too that Mr. Stevens' arrowroot factory
is burned to cinders; we know that one
of the workers at Mt. Bentinck was fired
at twice in one night, an incident which
nearly ended fatally. And if there is
this Enquiry a close probe would have,
in my opinion, been very revealing and
punishment would have followed an en-
quiry of this kind. But I wouldn't
bother to press it. I wouldn't bother to
lobby my colleagues and ask them to
support it because I have my sense of
responsibility and I know that every
time we set up a Commission of Enquiry

it takes a lot of money, and at thi : ,.
of our existence we can ill an trdi.
money. What I feel would have ,-
out of this thing here wouid i.
brought St. Vincent very very good, n.
only for now but for a long, iong ,-
We will have to remedy that.
I like Commissions ol Znau:f'. i
know from t. is Jolly Report :.'a n -
also been very revealing and l't.e ar'e
some recommendations frcni ti re:3r
which I am determined to 'K:ep hl;i.-k-
ing at the doors of the Governre It 1 .
get them to implement, because it is on.
by implementing these recomhenda,
that St. Vincent would be a bette pi :.
to live in financially and otherwise.
These are things that bring sense to '
colony and awaken our people to a
clearer conception of citizenship arnd
everything that is right.
This time I am forced not to supper
this motion because I feel we can'n";
afford it but I do so wifh much regret.
HONOURABLE L. C. LhTnti.: Mr. 'es2
dent, Honourable Memberso I intist oai.'
my little quota on this motimo. a-li
going to be very brief.
I am not a unionist. I kn,' n:'ilr;'
about labour leaders nor trade iunLn
leaders but I have seen the resolve here
this morning and I have heard a sAt a;
comments on this resolve:
"BE IT RESOLVED that an imp- ,r'tial
inquiry by commission be set up t
inquire into the causes iand c(,
rences in strikes in the North tt ih.
ward areas from 11th March to 1:'i
May, 1956."
What caused the strike? I have hetn..
the argument this morning and I i.
like to know what caused the t':i...
What caused the people of the -:i
Windward area to strike from ti he i-11
March to the 19th May? What c'.-:
it? I'have been confined to t'e st.t
Windward area for about two or thbrc'
years and I haven't travelled to the
North Windward area or other areas
the island, and I would like to 'knew
what caused the strike.
I have heard the First Noinui,.
Member make a lot of comments and s:.,

. : actionn and I have
:, and say that if this
dn lEke the Govern-
Senquiries. He has
..orning about
Sry dark cloud there
;, esd we can get
S a l. o what is be-
S. ith a lot of
S.._ ;- to the old
. .., teeth is good
-things behind
: .. : e only way we
S t ,t is by a Com-

-ti. c


* "'i, in a smooth
.. v..dn't want this
. ery other month we
n: of 7ni-y. We had
S. I ks Department,
S- epcrt and the Jolly
:s will keep going on
.:d on a good foot-

S .: t caused the
cents put forth
Sti te-noon, not one
Ot whatt caused the
S -.n able Members, I
S.:t.. h caused it and
S : this motion that
: find out what
_hough I know, Mr.
n is lost because it

Members, if
S: :r : speak on
S.: I cal upon the
S.. .r th Windward
ants to exercise
S : : sh to make two

S intervene in the
would be unfair
e '.-er for me to do
.:. as he appeared
.* 'ecir on two points I
S: to ir hem and as he
'. the .ecr written at His
".: ctin I think that also
. : zI d:- with.

The Honourable Member twice re-
ferred to the police giving the order to
load and fire at Georgetown. I do not
know if that was a misunderstanding or
whether he was carried away but I cer-
tainly can assure him and assure the
House that on no occasion did the police
give orders to fire in Georgetown.
Secondly, as I took the words down
very quickly when he said them, he re-
ferred to one of the occasions when the
police were involved in keeping the
crowd quiet to "bodies lay on the ground
dead from gun fire'". Now in case there
is any misunderstanding and any mem-
ber of the House felt that somebody had
been killed at Georgetown by the police
and it has not been made public I would
like to deny that also. I gather that
the Honourable Member may have been
carried away with the description of
what happened.
Now the letter written by His Excel-
lency's direction refused a delegation
from the Union unless the Union public
ly disassociated itself from intimidations
and violence which were going on in
Georgetown and the Honourable Member
seemed to be unaware of what His Excel-
lency could possibly mean by that
phrase. Well, two other Hor.ourable
Members have today mentioned several
of these incidents. I would just like to
list them because I think that the Hon-
ourable Member's right of reply would be
a suitable occasion for him to disassoci-
ate himself and say that he doesn't
approve of such activities. These were
among others:
The wounding of Mr. Lester Smith.
The wounding of two other men on
that same day the 26th March.
The occasion which led to 61 men
being bound over by Magistrate to
keep the peace in surety which the
Magistrate does not do without
The poisoning of the cattle of a man
who was supplying the Police Contin-
gent at Georgetown with milk.
The burning down of the arrowroot
factory belonging to the gentlemen

who had made a house available to
the extra police in Georgetown.
The attempted arson on a lorry belong-
ing to a distinguished citizen of
The stonings of various citizens during
the night. Their houses had stones
thrown at them. And the hospital
also had stones thrown at it to such
an extent that the nurse in charge
haa to be given permission by the
doctor tnere to sleep away from the
hospital so the patii-nts had no one
to look after them, such was h,:
The threatening letters nov; in the
hands of the police writt,,i to
various leading citizens.
The attitude of the Georgetovn Board
which was that there was fear in the
Town by any man who did not sup-
port the strike. That attitude was
unanimously expressed by the Board
to me on two occasions and to His
Excellency when he visited George
These all I consider that Mr. Joshua,
the Honourable Member for North Wind-
ward, might well take the opportunity in
replying to the debate to say that he
doesn't approve of any of these acts.
There was of course at the last a much
more sinister incident. I refer to at-
tempted murder. Three shots were deli-
beraely fired at the worker at the
factory who had gone back to work at
the time when the union did not approve
of the return to work, and one of these
shots wounded, the man. That case is
still being investigated by the police and
I would appeal to the Honourable Mem-
ber to state that he fully disapproves of
this ca .,i i:i1. crime and urges his con-
tinuencies in the North Windward to
give every help to the place in tracing
the hand which fired the shot.
Does the Honoirable Member wish to
avail himself of the right to reply?
dent, Honourable Members, I had on
one occasion in my few years in this

House to say and I shall repeat it before
my reply:
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave,
when we practise to deceive."
Deception in this Hc.use lead me to be-
lieve that everything the Honourable
Member for North Windward says is
twisted and you had very few points of
order ever arisen here in this House to
say Joshua made a statement and it was
untrue or twisted. }'hould they make
that statement? It really concern one
ti_ see an attack in the backs especially
when a debate of this type was before
this House. I came here with the view
that you say Caesar fIr Caesar and it is
only to put the facts before this House.
But one day we would have seen our-
selves opposing ourselves to such and
extent that you alone will know what
happened. It might be that that may
be so.
The Honourable Seconder has no
chance of replying so I might cover the
debate for him. Those Honourable
Members both elected and nominated
claimed that they are twisters. Of
course it is his profession. He was to
defend Mt. Bentinck here and he has
done it in a masterful fashion in the
House as he would have done in a courts'
case below and he elected it should go
in the records. He projected a debate
here and he knows his ingredients of
this statement here would be examined.
The Honourable Seconder of the mo-
tion referred to an appropriate thing.
Because of its appropriateness I believe
the attacks became more fierce. No-
thing, was more proper here than when
the Honourable Seccnder of this motion
refer ed to 1 f7 in Trinidad; nothing was
more appropriate than when he referred
to the fact of two years' imprisonment
of Uriah Butler. Because labour mat-
ters were absolutely in the wrong. It
was wage. a permanent war coupled with
the oilfield magnates to prevent any
recognition of that special union. And
what was more appropriate than to re-
fer to that date and from that we have
quoted. I am at a loss to see where the
Honourable First Nominated Member

made that barrage of attack on the
Mover as if it were irrevelance.
It was admissable to a debate in that
this debate covers a whole series of
events from 1952, when out of the blue
the clear, blue sky in times of peace
when the state was tranquil and in
perfect harmony I was charged for sedi-
tion. The laws of England now say for
for Joshua's case you can't do that
again, man. You must have civil strife
and those who promulgated that strife
may be charged hence that strife was
being sought madly by the police but
the workers have averted it.
In the course of the debate I have
four speeches to reply to and of course
this strife is very serious in that when a
a member of this Council has no time to
reply and one who is not a twister, it
can only mean that the summarising of
the facts must be done in one bit by the
Mover of the motion and the Mover
alone. It was that I could not even see
although my intelligence has been in-
sulted so low in this House that every-
thing that I say or do in this House is
irrelevant by men who are incapable to
judge irrelevancies. And everything I
do or say is twisted by men who are
strangers to the truth. How it is then
that these men can be standing ere ad
infinitum always making statements of
twistings and it has gone into the re-
cords as if it were true? As if those
people who are just, lawful and right are
twisters; but nevertheless the political
blade of the council is now in the hands
of the opposition from the creation of
Ministers, creation of Nominated Mem-
bers, so then they can pull because they
have the handle. Pull with all your
might, Mr. Nominated Members.
The question is therefore that we are
passing through our 37s in 1956 In St.
Vincent and because perhaps my logic
that these men say if they had It the
other way to gang together in another
place to do their worse then I would
have been intelligent in their estimates
but since that all they concocted to do
went west and did not fly in those traps,
something is missing. If our head is on

the ground and our fee n T ud have assisted and Mt. Bentinck
thing must be gcir' :;d Lave had to behave themselves
To pass on o ,a i they would have had their own
debate, th ., n .icf t.. grind and there would be no
bathe point .' .J-. in the thought, word and deed
her, no I a_. t .... Government, unfortunately or
Member,- : .n:.;v, misunderstood or under-
make factory '... ........ .., t,h cane farmers would have
the sugar fal- and rose angrily against the
ment! If .. ... r. I am forced to make state-

here, this Ct -_'--- *' this in an effort to bring har-
course those wh ong the people from Colonarie
lieve in a thin" back to Central Windward go
..ie .eina.t .. .-.. L .k. to South Windward. Why I
wo..uld be..io .. .. xious to make open public
that that 1t. ... to
at inat ie and declarations in a wide
s~ouns in70 t : :,.- lne that that I am not
straight wo%,.-. T'-.
ns.t: rt 1 that I didn't do. violence or
cae farrs t .'j vith violencee when in
the canes, at a-. and i act the cane farmers were
ery, the machine ,...- because 3 clear weeks had
at omarc t n saw the canes there. All
doch.nerd .- -. .. r': ve find a different aspect.
t t. t :- not have been the cane
-- no feeling after hearing
the oppor.t mitV to a. in speeches for which if somebody
earnind to robf tbe- '. akin,( it the police would
earnings. of th ; rlny but they were made by
tears by their be- ie, authority of the Govern-
sugar in this roT : *o canes wouid not be ground,
that I see it, bu'. i, n. k is closing down." And
It's sianiflcan- .- Ftement in that the cane far-
nated Member :' that the enemy of their not
case that the C: i t hei- cae ground is the workers
been foolish in 1952 id vhio were on strike but no
factory on a.l the --.', ,vlid be taken of that or the seri-
And that wa'.y't --- ,: uo it but what note would be
is twisted nc.". c"'* ---.; l i? that a man was knocked
that it died a n ihe Colonarie road and that
it died its natiur'al - .- and its Leader must make an
sons but it ws-n't aion that they are not re-
ment was foolish t-' sposible. Well they are not responsi-
would oet the su'ar -C n:er k-e ncc':ed him down nor no
same qut tc, 1 "-" - o 'n leader or any worker that
have been any hi':-er : has done so. That is one and
cane farmers nov' 1 In t 'ot to say it.
ting' ill will and cs't: MaV has been fired at by shots. How
that will dro he a to know if that is truth or lies?
canes wold n v -. Lecaruse you ever hear of a gun being
Bentinck v,'o"!d be -t a man and he is not shot? Well
ing up on:n et "' .- V t1's bi-o'est fairy land tale I have
another. That. f '. "-" .. heard. It might be that they tried
the cereal er' p. t -st.bish that rumour with the hope
we were honest ,N..-.t '- '. -1 ,1 th, only .32 calibre gun, a Leader
industraltsation at all I. .t Lfc called for a. licence hoino- .icd.. ,A ^

It is being upheld for my protection. A
man whose life has been threatened.
MVen who estates owners have threat-
med. They say "You can't go and join
ais union and get rid of him. I pay you
mny money". All those sorts of things
.aave been done and said but since its
;he only gun the only .32 calibre pistol
n the whole of the North Windward area
known to be the one for the Member for
.Torth Windward who is a trade union
.eader it must be confiscated by force
mnd taken away.
That Member has not know to fire an
ammunition to the danger of the public,
that Member a member of soci-ty has
not been known to use threats and
have what they call threats to shoot.
That was done by a Member of this
Council. Their pistol was taken away
by a conviction in court. And the others
went because they think they have the
knack to do what they like in this Coun-
cil and no notice will be taken of it.
They are all powerful Caesars so far as
they become Ministers. According to
facts you could find local citizens dead
but no notice will be taken of that but
a peaceful citizen with the protection
properly registered and the facts and
value of a licence being pwid, thv didn't
come for it in the ordinary rounds of
police routine duty. So help my living-
God! How is it that only angels could
have resisted a major uprisin- in this
country! Those are the things we wish.
No twisting or accusing the opposition
of twisting can remove: no voting
against motions.
What you do here will be indellibly
recorded whether you agree with it. or
not. If we didn't know that we know
this. And sometimes I attempt to tell
the heart by looking at the cunning
faces. But I am always to know this
that what you do here now is a joke and
think no more of it than a tale told by
an idiot full of sound and fury signifying
nothing, will recall you to know even by
a retribution. And I say this that when
the Honourable Mover spokl: this morn-
ing, he was in terra firma. When he
touched on the keynote of the first
disaster that regularised wages in Trini-

dad. You were Mr. Seconder in your
element. Don't let anyone fool you be-
cause I believe you are not so backward.
You have no right to reply because you
are not the Mover of this motion. But
no one will put wool over our eyes be-
cause on the opposition because we have
sufficient intelligence to see and to
clarify misconceptions made to this
Mr. Baynes touched on the subject of
organizations. All militant organisa-
tions stand who did not put their hand
on the table and take a lump sum of the
worker's blood that would have been
shared between them in wages. Those
unions that are hated in British West
Indies by employers of labour they need
a stooge in the form of trade union
leaders to lead the workers. They don't
need any honest men. So when these
men are talking their bubbles about
trade union-I can read it in three lan-
guages. I can read it in the French
language. I can read it in the Dutch
language. I can read it in the English
language. If even Dutch and French
do not belong to me but I think the
vernacular of my native element of
English I could understand. The Mem-
ber for Central Windward, because for-
tuna falsa et mala est, in other words
fortunee is both false and wicked', for-
tuna secunda stultis est 'fortune favours
fools.' That should be the first one.
And because that is their favour to be so
you find fat talks arriving here as Gov-
ernments and talking all baloney to
this Honourable House about who is
trade union leader and who is not; who
is capable of reading books and who is
not capable. Just because an extra vote
i here to pump down an embargo on
everything that appears to be good and
owing to the natives of this country.
The question now arises that people
are free. Who enslaving them That's
the Honourable First Nominated Mem-
per. When you tell them you are free
but to make sugar at our dictated price
at a minimum wage fixed there by us
and beyond that you watch our profits
like when in Dickens those fellows who
the schoolmaster, Mr. Squeers was teach-

ing they smell the roasted meat but
they never tasted it. Read Dickens'
'Nicholas Nickleby'. The question, there-
fore, then is when -you speak to us of
bcing free what does the First Nomina-
ted Member, mean? Free `.o work as
slaves in the country? Free to do what"-
Mt. Bentinck says it pays the- most
labour but have you ever heard the net
profits of Mt. Bentinck and how they
were supported? Nothing like that sayCs
the First NominIaed Member but be-
cause these statements of victi:nisatijn
when in truth and in fact even who.
have not votes are written there in tha~,
When I spoke of the Jolly Report this
morning I spoke of it because it was
spoken of. All of that. Even their ac-
counts the Commissioners e-pressed thaet
this Government should not really be-
cause it hasn't trained accountants that
they should encourage that they thei.-
selves don't understand the whole state
ments perhaps as a cross word puzzle.
So when you come to think of it they'
are not without their blottings and s,)
on but it's because of a workers' 'rccani-
sation. Because they still would hv,'o
been recognised if, the Leader of that
orpanimation was prepared te s'"y inside
and hear what the workers gather fromt
the bosses and come out an:d ., L [;enem
something else.
But the question arises novw: we want
a Labour Commissioner in thU' country.
It is a shame that an island like this in
raw, naked labour-no protection for
anybody at all-that this country should
do without a Labour Commissioner.
Those are the types of Labour Commis
sioners that suit the whims and fancies
of the estate owners. One who appears
to have no conscience at all! of what
has been happening to working people
of the country, or care to have anything "
to do with it but sit down there and
draw a salary of taxpayers' money and
that's all. Those are the types of Labou'-
Commissioners that suit the whims and
fancies of the estate owners.
Well, then you must -rnd this that
then this must be a lunatic vou see.
They are trying to invent for the Mem-

her for North Windward all sorts of-
stigmas. He now according to the
,whims and fancies of the First Nomina-
ted Member is a lunatic in that he would
approach Mt. Bentinck and ask them to
submit their lists of current bocks for
the pamt three crops and then turn back
and stand up and won't submit his
books. You see the strife in every
thought, word and deed to lay a stigma
--great twisters, great twisters.
Pcident on a point of order, Sir, the
'(c'ua,'s to which the Honourable
Gentleman refers are contained in a
r,"port from which I rea.i. It is nothing
that I was twisting. I read out a report
a',:! if ie cares to read it himself he will
'ee it. Don t tell me you didn't see
when I was reading from. it.
HONOURAPLE E. T. JosHUA: The state-
ment is as clear as light. What is written
;here was given in evidence by the plan-
ters concerned. And who are prophetic?
I gave my evidence. They wrote as they
fel on it. On the planter's side we are
"oncerned with-that is the evidence Mt.
Bentinck gave 1hem. And it is auite
',lear that they embodied it in thebi re-
port as evidence they collected. That is
r.ot to say that what they wrote here is
perfectly correct according to the Mt.
Bentinck version.
And of course I had in mind that at
least for one council meeting in five
ye.'s that we show a proper council
mneetin for the stipends that we draw
b at re:l'y for a fact I still have mouth
today we should have been given tomor-
rcv to sumn up this debate.
Nevertheless the First Nrominated Mem-
ber is always willing to push this report
and to tell you what is written there.
We know it is what is written there. We
also know that that was given in evi
dence to the Commissioners by the Mt.
Prntinck owners. And it is as clear as
i'tghr that this question now presented
as if the Tnion or the members involved
are mad' people 1 t 1 [na;,irs, grouped
together and appear in one Union and
ar" a representatives labour that they
will ask according to the proof for God's

sake send a list to the Labour Office let
us satisfy him that we do in fact have
no, they could easily establish by the
twisting that we called upon him and he
hasn't submitted his lists. Yes, chosc
lists were made and when those lists
were presented to the Labour Commis-
sicner they were useless then because
why? Case to be answered to on the
ane hand and the Labour Commissioner
had not one ounce of sincerity in any-
thing at all to show any proof at all. It
only means that you have nothing to do
wi'.h tile leader of that union. if you
would even have anything to ;do with the
union you have a record here to show
the -vindictivenes of the Mt. Bentinck
people, the spite, i:alfeasances, despite
a smooth letter bring back in harsh
grasping accent just asking sell me two
lots of land at any sufficient price. That
was sufficient to get an abrupt reply biat
shortly afterwards land was got in the
middle of Georgetown.
That is to tell you of the period there.
They just want to see not even the
shadow of Joshua far more to having
all these high sounding things you see
quoting from here, evidently by the
powerful Mt. Bentinck Company. Power-
ful r:.. ,',. like the First Nominated
Me'."bee. There have been powers like
the. before so therefore it is quite clear,
Gentlemen ihat they must write. That
is v hy I cal: the report a good report be-
2aute the s.me information they collect
from Mt. Be:tinck books which we hope
in our underkept they would have been
the correct books and true books and
documents when they laid b'.re all they
.reae found there. Those are facts they
tot frorn books. The facts of what is
i.appeninf,, the Commissioners got from
,he Union hence the facts that are writ-
ben there. The facts from Mt. Bentinck
mnd that is feir enough hence that didn't
say the report was not a good report but
.hat is being shown as if the commis-
sioners theims-'ves found that without
teing told by the So'nar Company who
would have had things against the
Would Mt. Bentinck have gone before
;he Commissioners and said "Yes, we

victimise all the workers who were found
in Unions?" No, they would not have
done that and they would make a
thorough test to all the work as a blade
0o a scis.;ors. One blade can't cut. IR
must have two blades. It is an obvious
t.,.! The Labour Commissioner and
estate owners are the blades of the
scissos'. You just tell me something on
pieces of paper and I saw if that is so I
can't do ..n rt',,. let the matter rest
there. That is the Type of thing you
have liere. And that will go on indefi-
nitely in this country.
Peo .ple are free. Yes, we are tree, free
.o make children without support for
them. That is the freedom without
wages; That is the greatest freedom we
enjoy. T,' prevent a union u;o:ker.
I have been hearing so much of moun-
tain made out o.i a mole hill of two isolat-
ed persons something. happened to them.
The police is vigilant to surround
Joshua's ho lse and commit there apy
act they like and everybody is silent.
Why was not that s-ame police vigilant
to re;bke Mr. Childs in breaking the law
in harrassing people in the river wash
ing t-,eir clothes trying to create public
disorder? Why did not the same police
!e vigilant for all that to find who has
knocked down Smith and stop harrass-
ing innocent people and having state-
ments to make lo say make public
decla nations? That's the most absurd
thing I have ever heard. But that a
Union and Union alone, handful of peo-
ple, that that industry and clearing you
wouldn't have had to show proof before
we know even if C of them are working
here, these are responsitije for every
little act. I wonder if these men who
come in here don't have a human heart
and conscience?
Look at the island of Grenada. The
rifle of policemen shot down Grenadians
under Gairy. Mr. Hughes' colony the
First Nominated Member, burnings of all
the plantations of cocoa, complete an-
archy in the place but no, the Mental
Manual Workers Union is a medium for
bargaining in Grenadad but in a place
where the scape goats must be found,
you find that the union and it.s few morM

bers shouldn't be recognized for peace
of the souls of men and for the good of
the employer and employee alike. We
find that they must make open declara-
tions. Well, I am saying now in an open
declaration I don't know. I am no God,
I stay in my place where i ought to be
and I can't tell because I haven't been
very far and how can I say? How can
I vouch that any he or she or who did not
take part if there was violence and it
was committed? How can I write on
behalf of men? None of them have
made a full statement to, me but take
all the Members and tell them you are
Justice of the Peace and let tl-em swear
an oath about the knocking uo',w'n of
Smith and then I shall make a public
declaration that these men are not con-
cerned with public disorder in the North
Windward area. I can't do more. I
know of myself. I do not know of my
brother. All I hope that he will not be
concerned in hooliganistic acts at any
material time or all times of his life.
That's all.
But look at the impossible thing. The
thing is almost absurd. The Union must
make a declaration when it does not
know anything about acts of violence.
See then that well we have heard these
things have happened none of us know
anything about it but this is not so.
Here it is that the police are very active
in getting at Joshua and Josht:i a7lne.
Very active. The slightest thing. (:nce
you know that this is a member yf the
union you persecute him and pat all
kinds of hardships that the Union suffer
that all his funds go towards attending
wicked little cases all over the place but
when it happens that anything is done
by the owners of the estate or the Agents
of the estate those are 'lawful and right
acts. So therefore then why -did they
not call upon the estate owners to make
public declarations that those were not
the people committing unlawful acts
when some were brought to court?
And of course it is easier to find scape
goats. The King can do no wrong by the
good theory of George III. But what it
means that the King can do no wrong?
It does not mean in the way it is implied

hute. The King is the Chief Magistrate,
all the Magistrates take commission
from him. Therefore if you follow the
high concept of the theory that was ex-
pounded in George III reign that the
King can do no wrong, it means that
every Magistrate sits there as His Majes-
ty so far as it affects the eyes of the law,
not the man. Therefore I can not
One thing that. rests heavy on me. I
cid not know this is the second time a
statement like that was made about
twisting, twisting facts. What facts I
ha-e twisted now? Clever twister. It
means that when a thing is white the
Member for North Windward says it is
black, when it is pink he says it is
purple, when it is yellow he says it is
red. Thaa's what it means in short.
So the average person and all of us
understand. Those who can read and
those who can't read. So that's what
it neans by twisting-a stranger to the
truth, a false tongue, a wicked person,
a fabricator of facts. That's what it
means. Am I guilty of such a charge
here? Political disparities, when you
speak about twisting? What are you
guilty of? Deliberately seeing the facts
before your very eyes and ignoring them.
That's 'worse than twisting. The facts
are there before your very eyes and you
are ignoring them.
T'itc duty of the Union is negotiating
on behal of its supporters. Yes, we
have had to hold the devil by its tail
with M,.. Bentinck and the victimising
of iTs workers. And they can make such
flattering letters. A weak, vascillating
Labour Commissioner if asked by the
owners of Mt. Pentinck to sit silent-
well, he must be a sweet bread in those
people's hand. Poor the workers of this
land! Never mind, we are playing our
prt on the stage. When we to dance we
mary ar ;, `Lken we to laugh we may cry,
but we are on the stage, do what you
have to do.
Now the facts as I see them are very
clear before my eyes. It is unnecessary
says the First Nominated Member for a
Commission of Enquiry to be instituted

here because it would be a Government
run by Commission. Where you ever
hear a paternal, prudent wise Govern-
ment every time something arise of the
type you ask for a Commission? It must
be a Government by Commission. It
is quite well-known that a statement was
made, that any imbecile can rule a coun-
try so long as he has bayonets and guns
around him but it takes wise and pru-
dent Administrators to rule with mercy
and justice and to give peace to that
land. It is discredit.
So when the Honourable First Nomi-
nated Member talks about Government
by Commission he either means that the
whole of the opposition is mad and what
the Government is doing right or that
we need no Commission because there
should be such a wise and prudent Gov-
ernment doing justice and equity to-
wards its people it is absurd to come
here and raise motions about Commis-
sions of Enquiry hence I am going to
vote against the motion. Do whatever
you like, na. It doesn't trouble me.
The question now arises that that's
the First Nominated Member's version.
What is the Second Nominated Member's
version? You think we expect him to
support the motion? But we must ex-
amine these versions and show them up
in the eyes of these Councillors in the
House because the First Nominated Mern-
ber would have liked if suddenly we got
gold bearing thoughts and begin .to find
gold he might have agreed-he might
have agreed-that there was money be-
cause he made gold pieces to have Com-
missions of Enquiries. But from the
sarcasm in the whole statement it can't
be so. And if I try to twist this fact
they will have to rule me out of order
because hence you would have known
that facts were tried to be twisted and
will remain. But no one has ever done
that to the Honourable Member for
North Windward accusing, mainly, false
accusations. The question of the First
Nominated Member he said that if they
had money but he went on to say .....
it is the Second Nominated Member. I
did not talk about money at all.

this time First Nominated Member that
I should say so. Yes, the statement
made by the Second Nominated Member
is such that he would have liked an
Enquiry. This is most silly a statement.
Perhaps you were not thinking of what
you were saying. Because if you have
the police who are doing over time in
vigilancy, you have Assistant Chief of
Police, all sorts of Chief in the Country
and this wants a Commission of Enquiry,
I am sorry. What kind of mentality we
are seeing here? He wants a Commis-
sion of Enquiry to do the work of the
police, the Magistrate and the Judge.
That's what is absurd. And they forget
completely what is before the House.
One Member drew their attention to it
but that's the way.

They are not twisting the facts but they
are misrepresenting the facts that's be-
fore the Honourable House. Therefore
then they are trying to tell us making
the main vocal point victimisation of
workers and so on, while they forget the
occurrence altogether. The point of
which the implication is really in your
guns that in a civilised country arms
should not be brandished and almost
precipitate revolts without investigation.
That is serious enough because good will
and faith and fortitude on the part of
the worker averted bloodshed in this
country. Those are the things on which
we have omitted altogether and from
that I know they could never dare to
ever attempt to support a motion of the

But the workers are there. They have
a right to submit their case. They have
a right to put their case whether motions
fail or motions prosper here. I am not
standing in this House for a motion to
be passed here. I have placed the facts
before this very House and if any respon-
sibility is left to decide on if responsi-
ble men are at the head and helm of
this Government that they see it fit and
proper; they know what to do. If there
is a responsibility and a lap of anything
responsible towards this community well
you also see it in that careful attention

was taken to place the facts here. I dis-
pose it on this House.
And if because of money, according to
the Second Nominated Member, that no
Enquiry should take place because there
is no money that's our disease. There
is never any money to do anything at all
in this community that is lawful and
right. Let it be thrown down a drain
and it will be found in the tens of
thousands. That is the disease.
The United Nations have said and it
has amused me that the malaira mos-
quito is getting immune to,DDT. I don't
know if any of my Colleagues or Honour-
able Members has seen that. That viru-
lent poison that man killing mosquito
with they say now we are afraid they
are getting immume to DDT., meaning
that although it is a poison they can
survive it now so that statement of
money, money, money, money always
been here with us as a grim spectre,
ghost and apparition. That was as pal-
pable as ever but when the question of
money is passed we always found money
for less important things than carrying
out rules. We have found money to pay
ourselves or to be rejoicing. Money that
has been paid and frittered away. But
the taxpayers must pay. We must get
money to pay ourselves but we can't find
money for more appropriate purposes.
We always find an excuse. We can't
find money to cut those stipends off or
or reduce them to a minimum. Oh no,
but we can find money for any kind of
act in the country that suit their purpose
as a Government. That's why no money
can be found to pay a Commission and
we cannot have a Government by Com-
Any Government that is not wise
enough to govern a country has to
govern by Commissions because no mat-
ter what fortitude and courage the peo-
ple have when you act in this fashion
of government and do untoward things
and try to conceal them you can't get a
better effect next time you-"he who
hides the wrong he did, does the wrong
thing still". And what has happened
now? You would go on acquiesing in
wronns and that would go on until one

day something happens. Because th
shepherd boy every day was bawling ou
wolf, wolf, wolf and when the wolf di(
come the sheep were all devoured.
And now one asked me during lunch
eon 1hpur, whether I am made of iror
I am made of arterial blood, bones an<
tissues, as you are made but you hav
given me a job and I am going to pei
form it. You might die and if you tak
that job away from me and give i
someone else I have no further oblige
tions. I have no fear. I have the fea
of God.
Do what you like, I am not asking tha
you vote for the motion.
I have placed a motion before thi
House and every Councillor should b
ripe enough to know what is placed b(
fore this House. Posterity will record
every one of your hearts. Man ii
power is the devil pieces of tools, h
never thinks of the future or when their
are votes to give until he loses tha
Motion put.
House divided; Ayes, 4; Noes, 7 a
follows: -
Hon. E. T. Joshua
,, J. A. Baynes
,, S. E. Slater
,, L. C. Latham

Hon. B. F. Dias
E. A. C. Hughes
,, A. D. W. Johnson
G. H. Charles
C'. L. Tannis
A. C. Cyrus
A. B. dosSantos


Motion lost.
5.45 p.m. Sitting suspended.

8th July, 1956.
10 a.m. Resumption.
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I beg to withdraw
motions Nos. 2 and 3.
HON. L. C. LATHAM: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I beg that the
Standing Rules and orders be suspended
to allow the debate of the motion of
which I gave notice yesterday.
PRESIDENT: Honourable Members, I
have had 24 hours to consider this appli-
cation by the Honourable Member and
I regret that I am not disposed to give
permission for my own part. My rea-
sons are that in spite of the fact that
now we have more time available to us
today than we would otherwise have
had, the motion which the Honourable
Member seeks to move deals with the
Education Report for 1954 and there is
obviously no immediate urgency to dis-
cuss that. Another month will not make
it further out of date. It is not a Re-
port which has just suddenly been
sprung on Members of the House because
it has been in the hands of Members for
some time and has in fact been referred
to by someone in this House in a previ-
ous debate. And thirdly, the setting up
of a Commission in not a thing to be
lightly undertaken or lightly considered
and it is only fair that the Member for
Social Services should be given time to
study all the implications and the House
should be given time to consider it all.
Therefore I consider that the Honour-
able Member should give notice in the
normal way and put it on the Order
Paper for the next meeting.
dent, Hnourable Members, I beg to move
the introduction of a Bill for an Ordi-
nance to amend and consolidate the law
relating to Firearms.
"The object of this Bill is to consoli-
date and amend the law relating to
Provision for the control of firearms is
ot .vant "nnt.inpri in Can. 175 of the

Revised Laws of St. Vincent. The con-
solidated Bill "would generally confer
more powers of control on the Police.
The Bill is based upon a consolidated
Ordinance prepared in Grenada which
corresponds in most respects with the
St. Vincent Legislation."
beg to second that.
to mention, Mr. President, Honourable
Members, that when this Bill goes to
the Committee stage for second reading,
I propose to move an amendment to the
Bill as it now stands to accord with a
resolution passed by this House at the
instance of the Honourable Member for
North Windward some time ago.
Question that the "Bill be read a first
time" put and agreed.

The Agricultural Small Tenancies
dent, I beg to move that a Bill for an
Ordinance relating to Agricultural Small
Tenancies and for purposes connected
therewith be read a second time.
to second the motion.
Question put and agreed.
Bill read a Second time.
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I had been study-
ing this bill and of course I had pre-
pared to debate the adjournment of the
second reading of this bill. I notice in
th long recitals of meanings and expres-
sions of the Bill most of these cannot
at this stage apply to the objects for
which this Bill seeks in this colony.
The present state of affairs as regards
the peasantry, labourers and the land
question, we notice section 8 "where the
tenant is convicted of larceny of agricul-
tural produce or livestock or of bejng in
possession of agricultural produce or

livestock stolen or unlawfully obtained,
or of malicious damage".e
Well, no one has the right to damage
land maliciously but that may even be
taken to mean escape of fire over which
he has no control. Anything like that it
can mean. But the question is are we
going to make an Agricultural Small
Tenancies Bill with a paraphernalia of
restrictions so far. Because as far as I
can see in the next few years or so you
will have an entirely criminal population
here, according to the last memorandum
I read on prosecutions of larceny and the
rest of it. Two persons take two coco-
nuts off my estate valued at 12 and
break off my coconut branches. That is
sufficient larceny to deprive him of land.
"Section 7. On payment of the sum
of twenty-five cents any person shall
be entitled to be supplied with a
copy of a registered contract of
The whole sections relating to these
indentures in connection with this Bill, I
believe that this Bill to do justice to
these tenancies that at this stage govern-
ment should submit it to a Select Com-
mittee. A Bill that is necessary. But
this Bill will only perpetuate what is
happening at present because the same
old state of affairs exist where you give
the estate owners throughout better
opportunities to see to it that only potato
vines they plant there and then the
major crop for which they hired lands
cane or arrowroot, he would have no
The same period of dispossession and
sections here are relating to the fact
that the tenancy of the time outside the
contract signed are such that the estate
owners scope to victimise the peasant in
a land starved country where lands are
not available by government are greater.
The estates where they have banana,
plantations, even those lands that they
now hold, they are ruthlessly throwing
out the people and throwing bananas all
over it. So therefore then, we have to
hear all these paraphernalia of restric-
tions. I see in these ways and means
by which the Small Tenancies Bill would
create hardships on perhaps not only

who has his half acre but he who has
his 10 acres as well.
I do not know if this Bill is properly
studied by the colleagues of the opposi-
tion. If it is not, it is regretted because
there are many pitfalls. Because I lis-
tened to the Mover, the Honourable
Crown Attorney, but our present Crown
Attorney must understand places that
he has touched, land reform for what
our small area is, it might be far superi-
or to the state of land cultivated in this
country. So it might be reasonable, Mr.
Crown Attorney, if you hearken unto my
my words and let us see if you can 'get
this Bill to a Committee before it comes
back before this House.
HoN. E. A. C. HUGHES: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, it seems to me
that what the Honourable Member is
objecting to or taking exception to are
certain specific details in the Bill and
not the actual policy of the Bill itself.
I think it is welcomed all around that
there is need for such an Ordinance to
regulate these Small Tenancies. The
present position as has been pointed out
from time to time is hopeless where peo-
ple are put in possession of an acre of
land sometimes on share cropping, some-
times on non payment of rent, they can
be kicked cut at any time. This is pro-
posed to regulate all that. It may not
be perfect. The Honourable Member
may have some specific objections to it.
- I would point out this though that we
feel, when I say this I mean the govern-
ment, that some such Bill is absolutely
essential and we all know the conse-
quences of Select Committees. That
means delay and inordinate delay. And
it means perpetuating the very evil
that the Honourable Member is taking
objection to. But, as far as I am con-
cerned, if it is the wish of the Honour-
able Member when we arrive at the Com-
mittee stage to move that it be put to a
Select Committee I do not see that there
can be any grave objection to that. But
I would point out that it means perpetu-
ating the very delay that it is so essen-
tial to get rid of now, at the moment.
HON. J. A. BAYNES: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, this Bill in my

estimation is a very necessary one but I
believe every Member around this Table
would agree that one thing that is
wreaking continuous hardship on a land
starved population such as ours is the
application of the old system of land
Presently, you have two practices here
which go on from time to time because
they are covered by law of which this
is one of them. If a man rents a bit
of land to an individual for one year
before the expiration of one year he
gives him six months notice and gets
him off in one year. We have quite a
lot of these impractices even and it is
this way around: it has been customary
in the past that those tenants were
merely used to clean up land for the
future crop and in a time like this when
everybody in all parts of the civilised
world is making an effort to protect what
is called leasehold so that people feel
confident that they have a right to the
bit of land which they hold whether by
lease or by rent.
This Bill, while it goes out to cover a
few of those things, I believe that what
we really want is that this thing be
given carefully study once and for all
so that we don't make three or four at-
tempts going at the one thing. As a
consequence, I have agreed that we need
a Select Committee to go into this Bill
though it might be detained a week or
two or three or four longer. But we
would actually get more satisfaction in
coming together in discussing this Bill.
dent, Honourablel Members, the opinion
has been expressed by the Honourable
Members for North Windward and for
St. George that this Bill should be put
to a Select Committee. I am not in any
way attempting to force an opinion of
any Member of this House, I am merely
reminding them of two things.
In 1947 the Ordinance was passed in
Grenada called the Tenants Compensa-
tion Ordinance. That Ordinance was
put into practice for four or five years
and was found to be almost valueless
because loopholes were pointed out in
actual practice. Notes were made of the

imperfections in that Ordinance and
after five years, 1952, the Ordinance
called the Agricultural Small Tenancies
Ordinance was passed in Grenada and
since them not only I have been told
but in my actual experience as a Magis-
trate in Grenada I have found that this
Ordinance has worked without, so far,
imperfections showing up. This present
Bill, our Agricultural Small Tenancies
Bill, is almost an exact copy of the one
in Grenada and only minor changes
made to accord with our set up here.
That is to say names changed and so on.
The next point I would like to men-
tion is this. I believe I would not be
giving away any state secret if I remind
Honourable Members, Sir, that in a very
short while this House will go into proro-
gation, whether in actual or theoretical
prorogation, and there will be no meet-
ings. There is no surety that this Bill
will be considered by a Select Committee
before the next meeting and if it is not
done it means then at the resumption,
after prorogation, this Bill would have to
be read a first time and then after the ex-
piration of another month a second time.
So probably then this Bill may not come
up again for the second reading until
some time next year. I throw all that
cut for the consideration of Honourable
HON. J. A. BAYNES: One question, Sir.
For my enlightment, I am almost sure
that while we are likely to be prorogued
within a given period of the year we
will have another meeting and I think
in a matter like this that Select Commit-
tee can meet within a few days.
you can't get Members together at all.
Sometimes you get two Members coming
and the others cant' come. That sort
of thing.
HON. C. L. TANNIS: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, this Bill is long in
coming. In too many attempts we are
persons being thrown off with very short
notice. Just two or three days before
the crop season. The tenant is given
notice to quit the lands, sometimes to

quit leaving plants and so on without
compensation. Are we going to delay
this Bill? I have just lately approached
the Administrator on this matter of giv-
ing some satisfaction to certain persons
who were thrown off their lands at very
short notice. Are we going to allow
this Bill to remain until next year? I
know that with a Select Committee they
are supposed to meet and Honourable
Members turn up and others don't.
Then the Select Committee goes on for
six months and then another nine
months and that remains in Select Com-
mittee. I think th is a very necessary
and important Bill and I think that
Members should have quite a lot of time
to study the Bill and I am not in favour
of a Select Committee.
HON. L. C. LATHAM: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, we have this Bill,
and going through this Bill it is very-
technical I notice. And I think that we
should leave such a Bill in the hands of
of a Select Committee.
I see here the rights of landlords:
"The landlord or his duly authorised
agent may enter on and inspect a
small holding at all reasonable times
between the hours of six o'clock in the
morning and six in the afternoon.
The landlord may require the tenant
to remove any sugar cane, perennial
or permanent crops or trees that have
been planted without his written con-
Those things seem not to be good
enough. We met here not to bring hard-
ship on the tenant, we met to try and
find ways and means to encourage the
tenants to cultivate lands. But this
Bill seems to create a lot of hardship on
the tenant.
The whole of St. Vincent is land
starved. The people can't even get a
place to put in a root of potato. People
who have lands about an acre or two
holdings, they can't even get finance to
work it. Some of them have to leave
their holdings and some of them can't
even get roads to go where the land is.
And if we just stay and make these
kinds of Bill, I don't know what is

going to happen. This Bill was copied
from some place. We are getting all
kinds of Bills copied from some other
place, like some Jim Crow and that type
of thing and bringing it here to give us.
This Bill was copied. I won't stay here
and be a Member to ties the peasants'
hand against the Landlord. This Bill
needs careful consideration, Mr. Presi-
dent. I vote a Select Committee.
HON. E. A. C. HUGHES: Let it go to a
Committee, Sir. It is obvious that the
Eill is not understood.
PRESIDENT:' If I may intervene at this
stage of the debate I think in the ab-
sence of two Members of Executive
Council who are particularly interested
in the Bill, particularly the Minister for
Trade and Production who would nor-
mally be responsible for it, this Bill is
long outstanding. I don't think that
any Member of the House will dispute
that it attempts to carry out the object
of it which is to
"protect the tenant of a small hold-
ing as much as possible and to encour-
age him to use the holding in a
husbandlike manner."
To give him protection which he hasn't
got now. This Bill was considered
about a year ago and it would not have
been in the normal way been brought
before this House for some time and gov-
ernment, the new government, deliber-
ately brought this Bill to the head of the
cue because they thought it was urgent
and they wanted to give protection to
various small tenants and get -that pro-
tection given quickly.
Now this is a controversial Bill. Every-
one agrees with that. I am a little sur-
prised at the points that have been
raised by the Honourable Members of
this side of the House but there are
reasons which could be adduced saying
that it goes far too far in protecting the
tenant against the landlord and there
are a great many people who disagree
with this Bill entirely because it gives
too much protection to the tenant and
they will all be delighted to hear that
the Bill has been delayed.-

The Honourable Members who are not
present today I know are very interested
in this Bill and for that reason we are
only too delighted to see it brought for-
ward to the head of the cue to have it
discussed and if possible have it passed
When we go to Committee stage we
can discuss whether or not it should go
to a Select Committee but Honourable
Members know what the chances are of
a Select Committee meeting and finish-
ing its deliberations on a fairly compli-
cated Bill swiftly are. And I know that
there are a good many people who will
be denied the protection, small tenants,
which this Bill seeks to give them quick-
ly if this Bill is not passed.
Question put and agreed.
Bill read a Second time.
Council moved into Committee.
PRESIDENT: I think the first thing we
should do is to decide whether this Bill
should be referred to a Select Committee.
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: I have with due
regard heard the remarks of the Crown
Attorney but I have my practical experi-
ence of my country. Why we for ump-
teen years irregularities and the pres-
sure of tenancies existed, now we are
seeking to rectify it in a quick fashion.
There are many whom of course we will
ignore. I am amazed to see Ordinances,
Bills and etc. passed in this country here
and they are sometimes prepared to be
carried out and enforced only by a cer-
tain section of the community while
others do what they like and they have
a powerful lawyer in court to interpret
it their way. And they do what they
like and get away with everything. And
there are many things in this Bill. that
need consideration. I have had my ex-
perience in the North Windward area on
many occasions being taken in.
I can't be a party to a law to be passed
when we think we are giving the peasant
protection we are giving the landlord
that protection and then we would have
no excuse. It seeks to protect the land-
lord more than formerly. This type of

law you have here, for instance, the
peasants are not defined here.
This part of the Bill, section 2 (d) :
"the avoidance of any practices
known to have an effect harmful to
the soil or which may lead to a reduc-
tion in the value of the holding:"
That (d) is quite unnecessary. Still
some -fault would be found by this Ordi-
nance and he is dispossessed because he
wasn't cultivating in a husbandlike
I beg to move that this Bill be put to a
Select Committee before it becomes law.
HON. J. A. BAYNES: I beg to second
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: I myself would
agree to sit on it. I would try to attend
and since we ask for it we should appoint
the opposition side when we can get to-
gether because I am determined that
this Bill is necessary to be studied and
the flaws should be looked at.
HON. A. B. C. DosSANTOS: I am think-
ing that the party to the decision
should have a representative on the
Select Committee and it should not be-
more than four. They should be able
to appoint someone to that Committee.
PRESIDENT: I think it is left to the
Select Committee who should have to
take any evidence that they can get.
And they can be given facilities to at-
tend that Select Committee. They may
call evidence from the Planters' Associa-
tion or if the Planters' Association wish
to give written representation they
would have to await that. You yourself
would be a good Member to represent
them in addition.
ously recommending that the First Nomi-
nated Member be made a Member of the
Select Committee, not because he is a
powerful lawyer but because he is a
lawyer. I have found not merely in
Legislative Council but also outside that
when you have Bills of a serious nature
amending with any serious consideration
as to the wording of the amendment of

laws you have to be very careful how it
is done and it is always good to have a
legal mind there. Otherwise we would
find that we are ridden by the rich and
the poor loses. So it is always good in
these instances to have a trained mind
on these things. And I am not suggest-
ing that Members are not trained but I
mean not trained in law. This Bill was
drafted by a lawyer of experience and
the wording is legal wording and if we,
whether here or in Select Committee,
amend this Bill without due considera-
tion for legal interpretation, it will be to
lose. For that reason I am s2riosuly
recommending that the First Nominated
Member be made a Member. Also the
Minister for Trade and Production and
the Honourable Member for North
Windward and that the Third Nomina-
ted Member be a Memb.er theoretically
representing estate interest, because he
can't really represent them, he can't re-
present any interest except the interest
of the Colony.
HON. E. A. C. HUGHES: The Honour-
able Members for St. George, South
Windward, North Windward, the Minis-
ter for Trade and Production and the
Third Nominated Member and myself,
with the Crown Attorney as Chairman.
When you. get these seven Members to-
gether you have done well.
decide now how much is a quorum.
HON. E. A. C. HuGIEs: Say five.
Question put, and agreed.
Council resumed.
Bill reported referred to a Select Com-
mittee and report adopted.
The Arrowroot (Amendment) Bill.
dent, Honourable Members I beg to move
the Second reading of a Bill for an Ordi-
nance to amend the Arrowroot Ordi-
nance, 1954.
second that.
Question put and agreed.
Bill read a second time.

Council moved into Committee.
Clause 9 (b) :
The words "as soon as possible in the
year 1956" were inserted between the
comma and the word "before" in line 3.
The word "subsequent" was inserted
S-etween the words "every" and "year"
in line 47.
Council resumed.
Bill reported with slight amendments
and report adopted.
Bill read a third time by title and

Mr. President, Honourable Members, I
beg to move the second reading of a Bill
for an Ordinance to consolidate the law
with, regard to Public Medical Officers.
second that.
Question put and agreed.
Bill read a second time.
Council moved into Committee.
The long title of this Bill was amended
to read: "'An Ordinannce to consolidate
and amend the law regarding Medical

Clause 2:
The words "The Medical Superinten-
dent of the Colonial Hospital" were in-
serted between the comma and the word
"the" in line 2.
In line 8 "three dollars" was substitu-
ted for "two dollars and fifty cents".
In line *10 the words "twelve dollars"
were substituted for "nine dollars and
sixty cents."
Clause 6: sub-clause (1):
In line 1, the words "the Medical
Superintendent" were inserted between
the words "of" and "the".

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