NOTICE NO. - -(second publication)
MEETING OF LEGISLATURE
The House of Assembly 'will meet on Tuesday 8th January, 1957 at 3 o'clock p.m.
NOTICE No. 6
ï¿½Resumption of Duty
R. N. Jack, Acting Labour Commisioner, ou the 4th January, 1957.
J. R. Edwards, Police Magistrate, Districts "D" and "F". on the 31st December, 1956. (M.P.-L. 55 Vol. 11)
Dr. MT. A. Byer, Director of .Medical Services, on the 1st January, 1957. (M.P.-L. 3441)
A. J. H. Hanschell, Acting Puisne Judge, on the 2nd January, 1957. (M.P.-L. 739)
G. L. Taylor, Judge, Assistant Court of Appeal, on the 7th Jlanuary, 1957. (M.P.-1477)
G H. Scott. member of the Public Utilities: Board, on the 29th Decemnber, 1956. (_.P.-6860/S.I Vol. II).
The Honourable Dr. A. . Cato, M.L.C., Police Medical Officer. District "A", sixteen days' vacation leave with effect from 26th December, 1956.
Dr. A. L. Stuart to act as Police Medical Officer, District "A", with effect from 26th December, 1956. (i\.P.-L. 3057)
Cinematograph 'Film Censorship Act, 1940
C. L. L. Bowen, Member of the Cinematograph Film Censorship Board, 'With. effect from 1st. February, 1957.
Irs. C. L. L. Bowen, Secretary to the Cinematograph Film Censorship Board, with effect from 1st. February, 1957.
E. F. L, Morris to be a Memlber' of the Cinematograph Film Censorship Board for the period 1st. Februuary to 31st August, 1 957.
Miss N. B. Burton, M.B.E., to be'Secretary to the Cinematograph Film Censorship Board for th6 period 1st. February to 31st August, 1957, in conjunction with her duties as a Member Of the Board. I.P.--1524/S. 1 Vol. III).
Justices of the Peace
His Excellency the Governor has appointed the following persons to be Justices of the Peace:
AW. T. Glooding,
J. P. E. Williams.
(M.P.-1807/39 Vol. IV).
- - 011V
The following constable has resigned from his office of Island Constable with effect from 27th December, 1956:Ebenezer Sobers.
(M.P. 141/39 Vol. I[).
The following constable has resigned from his office of Island Cons,'table with effect from 2nd. December, 1956:
(M.P. 141/39 Vol. II)
NOTICE No. ?7
LIQUOR LICENSE NOTICES
The application of James Adolph, shopkeeper of Sand Box Ave., Chelsea Rd. St. Michael, for per.aission to sell Spirits, Malt Liquors, &c., at board & shingled shop with residence attached at Sand Box Ave., Chelsea Rd. St. Michael.
Dated this 7th day of January 1957.
N.B.-This application will be considered at a Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, District "A", on Friday the 18th day of January, 1957, at 11 o'clock, a.m.
X. E. BOURNE,
Police Magistrate, Dist. "A".
The application of Carmen Alleyne, Shopkeeper of 130 Roebuck St., City, for permission to sell Spirits, Malt Liquors, &c., at bottom floor of a two-storey wall building at 130 Roebuck St., City,
Dated this 7th day of January, 1957. To:-C. A. ROCHEIORD, Esq.,
Ag. Police Magistrate, Dist. "A".
CARMEN ALLEYNE, Applicant.
N.B.-This application will be considered at a Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, District "A", on Friday the 18th day of January, 1957, at
-11 o'clock, a.m.
C. A.: I OCHEFORD, Ag. Police Magistrate, Dist. "A."
The application of William Savoury of Ea:-tbourne, St. Philip for permission to sell Spirits, Mialt Liquors, &c., at a board and galvanised shop. attached to residence at Water Street, Christ Church within District "B".
Dated this 4th day of January, 1957. To: A. W . HARPER%, Esq.,
Ag. Police MIagistrate, Dist. "B".
WILLIAM SAVOURY, Applicant.
N.B.-This application will be considered at a Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, District "B" on Tuesday the 15th day of January, 1957 at I1 o'clock, a.m.
A .W. HARPER,
Ag. P6Lice Magistrate, Dist. "B".
Dated this 4th day of January, 1957. To:-Miss M. . BOURNE,
Police Magistrate, Dist. "A".
STANLEY HARDING, for Applicant.
N.B.-This application will be considered at a Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, District "A" on Tuesday the 15th day of -January, 1957 at 11 o'clock, a.m.
I. E. BOURNE, Police Magistrate, Dist."A."
.L GAZETTE JANUARY 7, 19517
The application of Rufus A. Maughn, shopkeeper of Eagle Hall, St. Mtichael, holder of Liquor License No. 466 of 1957-58 in respect of a board and shingied shop with residence attached at Eagle Hall, Kt. .Michael, for permission to remove said Liquor License to a board and shingled shop with residence attached at mansion iRd., Bank Hall, St. Michael, and to use it at the said last mentioned premises.
Dated this 7th day of January, 1957. To:- Miiss . E. BOURNE, Police MT\agistrate, Dist. "A".
RUFUS A. MAUGHN,
N.B.-This application will be considered at a Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, District "A", on Friday the 18th day of January, 1957, at 11 o'clock, a.m.
M. E. BOURNE,
Police Magistrate, Dist. "A."
The application of Myrtle Archer, shopkeeper of
Flaggatt Hatl, St. Michael for permission to sell Spirits, Malt Liquors, &c., at a board and galvanized shop attached to residence at Haggatt Hall, St. Michael Dated this 5th day of January, 1957. To:- Miss MI. E. BOURNE, Police -Magistrate, Dist. "A".
M. E. ARCHER,
N.B.-This application will be considered at a Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, District
-"A",on Wednesday the 16th day of January, 1957 at 11 o'clock, a.m.
. E. BOURNE,
Police Magistrate, Dist. "A."
The application of Ruth Morrison of Silver Hill, Christ Church, for permission to sell Spirits, Malt Liquors, &c., at a board and galvanized shop attached to residence at Silver Hill, Christ Church within Dist. "B".
Dated this 4th day of January, 1957, To :- A. W. HARPER, Esq., Ag. Police Magistrate, Dist. "B".
X.B.-This application will be considered at a Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, District "B" on Tuesday the 15th day of January, 1957 at
1 1 o'clock, a.m.
~A. W. HARPER,
Ag. Police Magistrate, Dist. "B".
The application of Milton DaCosta Arthur, shi)pkeeper of :Porey Spring, St. Thomas for permisssion to sell Spirits, Malt Liquors, &c., at a board ad shingled shop at Cr. Fairfield and TWeedside Roads, St. M~ichael.
JANUARY 7, 1957 OFFICIAL GAZETTE
LIQUOR LICENSE NOTICES-Cont'd
The application of Ismay Walrond of Pegw(l, Christ Church for permission to sell Spirits, Mait Liquors, &c., at a board and galvanized shedroof attached to residence at Pegwell, Christ Church within Dist. ''B".
Dated this 4th day of January, 1957. To:- A. W. HARPER, Esq.,
Ag. Police Magistrate, Dist. "B".
ISMAY WALROND', Applicant.
N.B.-This application will be considered at a Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, Dist;ict "B" on Tuesday the 15th -day of January, 1957 at 11 o'clock. a.m.
A. W. HARPER,
Ag. Police Magistrate, Dist. "B".
The application of Morris Hunte, shopkeeper of Bibby Lane, St. Michael for permission to sell Spiits, Malt Liquors, &c., at a board and galvanized ;hop situate at Bibby Lane, St. Michael.
Dated this 5th day of January, 1957. To:- Miss AT. E. BOURNE,
Police Magistrate, Dist. "A".
MORRIS HUNTE, Applicant.
N.B.-This application will be considered at a Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, District "A",on Wednesday the 16th day of January, 1957 at 11 o'clock, a.m.
M. E. BOURNE,
Police Magistrate, Dist. "A."
The application of James A. Tudor & Co., of West-bury New Road, St. Michael for permission to sell Spirits, Malt Liquors, &c., at a wooden and galvanised building at Workmans, . George.
Dated this 4th day of January, 1957. To :- A. W. HARPER, Esq.,
Ag. Police Magistrate, Dist. "B".
ST. ELMO HOLDER, for Applicant.
N.B.-This application will be considered at a Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, District "B" on Tuesday the 15th day of January, 195.7 at. 11 o 'clock, a.m.
A. W. HARPER,
Ag. Police MVagistrate, Dist. "B".
NOTICE No. 8
NOTICE IS HER EBY GIVEN that Inez De
Lacey Spencer of Scotts 'G ap, Brittons Hill in the parish of Saint Michael in this island, has petitioned His Lordship the acting Chief Judge of the Court of Ordinary of this island for a Grant of Letters of Administration to the real and personal estate of her late husband ALGERNON DeCOURCEY SPENCER of Taitts Hill in the parish of Saint George who died in this island on the 22nd day of December 1956 intestate
A2ND NOTICE is further given that an ex parte application for such GRANT of Letters of Adminnsation will be made to the Court on Friday the S da y- of January 1957 at 11 o'clock in the foreI 00n.
Dated this 7th day of January 1957.
E. D. ROGERS
NOTICE No. 9
PAUL WILKINS & COMPANY
TAKE NOTICE that Edward Victor Goddard,
-.1homas Ellsworth Herbert, Umberto Joseph Parravicino and Yvonne Armstrong, did on the 31st. day of December 1956, dispose of their respective interest in the business carried on under the firm or style of Paul Wilkins & Company AND FURTHER TAKE NOITiCE, that the said business is now being carried on in co-partnership under the same firm or style oy Frederick Archibald Conrad Clairmonte, W. S. I',louroe &- Co. Limited and C. L. Pitt & Co. Limited.
Dated 4th day of January 1957.
E. V. GODDARD T. E HERBERT
U. J. PARIZAVICINO
F. A. C. CLAIRMONTE
W. S,. MONROE
Per W. A. GRACE Director
C. L. PITT & CO. LIMITED
Per C. L. PITT
NOTICE NO. 10
DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION
Government Exhibitions tenable at Government
Aided Secondary Schools-Boys and Girls
Forms of application for First Grade Exhibitions, Primary to First Grade Exhibitions and Second Grade Exhibitions are available at the Department of Education. Public Buildings, Bridgetown. Senior First Grade Exhibitions
Candidates must be under 16 years of age on June 30th, 195.7.
Junior First Grade Exhibitions
Candidates must be under 13 years of age ,n Tune 30th, 1957.
Frmary to First Grade Exhibitions
Candidates must be under 13 years of age on June 30th, 1957, and must be a pupil in attendance at a Public Elementary Schiool. Second Grade Exhibition~s
Candidates must be under 12 years of age cii June :30th, 195,7.
Renewal Second Gr-ade Fxhibitions
Candidates must be holders of Second Grade Exhibitions which are about to expire.
Application forms, accompanied by Birth/Bap,tismal Certificates must be forwarded to the Department of Education not later than Saturday, 16th February, 1957.
9th January, 1957.
.1 JANUAp-ly 7, 1957
8 OFFICIAL GAZETTE JANUARY 7, 1957
NoTicn No. 11
UNIVERSITY COLLEGE OF THE WEST INDIES
Barbados Government Exhibitions
Applicants for admission as candidates for Barbados Government Exhibitions tenable at the University College of the West Indies are required to submit their applications to the Director of Education not later than Thursday, 31st January, 1957.
Application forms may be obtained from the Department of Education, Public Buildings, Bridgetown.
Candidates must be
(a) under twenty (20) years of age on 31st
(b) natives of Barbados; or
(c) children of a native of Barbados; or
(d) children of persons who are domiciled
and have been resident in Barbados for a period of not less than ten (10)
Candidates must produce with their applications BPirth Certificates as well as certified statements declaring that they have been receiving their education in Barbados for a total period of not less than three years within the period of five years immediately preceding the year of award, and that their moral character and general conduct are satisfactory.
N.B. Applicants for admission as candidates fo.
Barbados Government Exhibitions must als( forward direct to the Registrar of the Umn versity College of the West Indies, Jamaica, their applications for Entrance to the UMi versity College. The closing date for applica
tions for Entrance is 31st January, 1957
Department of Education,
10th January, 1957.
NoTIcE, No. 12
BARBADOS SCHOLARSHIPS, 1957
The examination for Barbados Scholarships wil be the examination for the General Certificate oi Fduc'ation (Advanced and Scholarship Levels.) o .the Oxford and Cambridge Schools Examinaticn Board, and will be held in Bridgetown in July next in accordance with the Time Table of the Examinatiion Board.
Candidates will be expected to offer at least Pune subject at Scholarship Level and one at Advanced Level.
Candidates must be(a) under twenty (20) years of age cn
31st MKay, 1957;
(b) natives of Barbados; or
(c) children of a native of Barbados; or
(d)' children of persons who, are domiciled
and have been resident in Barbados for a period of not less than ten (101)
Candidates must produce with their applications Birth Certificates, as well as certified staternents declaring that they have been receiving their education in Barbados for a total period of not less than three (3) years within the period of five
(5) years immediately preceding the year of award, and that their moral character and general conduct are satisfactory.
App'icationg ompletdd on forms which are obtainable from the Department of Education must be sAnt to the Director of Education not later tho'n 31st January, 1957.
10th January, 1957.
NOTICE NO. 13
Secondary School Staff, Grtanada
Applications are invited from candidates for two (2) posts as Graduate Masters, Grenada Boys' Secondary School, GRENADA, which is operated by the Government of GRENADA.
2. The salary of the posts which are pensionable is at the rate of $2,304 rising by annual increments of $120 to $2,880 (Bar) x $120- $3,600 per annum, together with pensionable pay addition of 20% of salary.
3. Quarters are not provided, but the Headmaster will assist the selected candidates in finding suitable accommodation at a rental of about $65.00 per month.
4. Applicants should state ability to teach some of the following subjects:
Geography, Mathematics, Spanish, Physics,
Chemistry, Latin and French.
5. Applicants should also give the following particulars:
(b) Schools or University at which educated and certificates or diplomas obtained.
(c) Present and past employment.
(d) Amount of monthly salary or wages
earned in the post in which applicant
was last employed.
(e) Past experience in work of the same
type or in a kind similar to that re:quired in the posts advertised.
They 'will also be required to furnish copies of testimonials (which will not be returned to the applicant) certified as true copies by a Justice of the Peace, a Minister of R eligion or by a, Head of a Government Department.
6. Applications must be in the candidate's own handwriting and they will nrot be considered if they do not contain the particulars requested above.
7. The successful applicants must be !prepared
to assume duty in Grenada as soon as possible after the beginning of February, 1957.
8. Applications should be addressed to the Secretary, Public Ser-vice Commission, Government Office, Grenada, to reach him not later than 21st January, 1957.
: JANuARY 7, 195,7
JANUARY 7, 1957 OFFICIAL GAZETTE.
.NOTICE No. 357 -- (fifth publication).
IN THE COURT OF CHANCERY
In pursuance of the Chancery Act 1906, I do hereby give notice to all persons having or claiming any estate, right or interest or any lien or indumbrance in or affecting the property of the defendant to bring before me an account of their claims with their witnesses documents and Vouchers to be examined by me on any Tuesday or Friday between the L-:urs of 12 noon and 3 o'clock in the afternoon at the Registration Office, Town Hall, Bridgetown, before the 29th day of January 195.7 in order that such claims may be -rported on and ranked according to the nature and priority thereof respectively, other-wise such persons will be precluded from the benefits of any decree and be deprived of all claims on or against the said property.
Plaintiff: STEPHANS CLARKE
Defendant: GORDON SPEARE BARNETT
Property: ALL THAT certain piece or parcel of land (formerly part of the lands of Maxwells Plantation) situate in the parish of Christ Church n this Island, containing by admeasurement Fcur acres one rood thirty-one perches (inclusive of fourteen perches and four-fifths of a perch in a road
-which runs through the said land) abutting on lands of C. A. Ryan Estate of E. L. Ward deceased, r.
-utson, C. Trotman, W. Brewster, J. Bynoe, Wottc>n Plantation and on a Public Road or however else the .same may butt and bound.
Bil Filed: 29th October, 1956.
Dated: 16th November, 1956.
V. I. DeL. CARRINGTON,
NoTIcE No. 4 -(second publication)
IS HER EBY GIVEN that CLARE NCE
FITZHER BERT HtAMBLIN of Club. Morgan Gap, .Clapham, in the parish of St. Michlael, in this island, has petitioned His Htonour the acting Chief Judge of the Court of Ordinary of this Island for' .a grant of letters of Administration of the real and personal estate and effects in this island of Ismay Arlene Hamblin, late of Cla~ham in the said parish of Saint M ichael and island aforesaid, who died in the said island on the 5th day of November, 1956 intestate.
AND NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that an cx parte application for such letters will be made at the s ittig of the Court of Ordinary on Friday, the 18th day of January 1957 at 11 o'clock in the :forenoon.
Dated the 3rd day of January, 1957.
YEARWOOD & BOYCE,
NOTICE No. 5 --(second publication)
INCOME TAX NOTICE
Notice is hereby given in accordance with section 24, Income Tax Act, 1921, that income ta% refurns are required from
(a) all resident companies whether incorporated or unincorporated, societies, trusts or persons engaged in anv trade,
business or profession;
(b) all non-resident companies whether incorporated or unincorporated, societies, trusts, or persons engaged in any trade, business or profession or having
income arising in this island;
(c) all owners of land or property whether
a taxable income has accrued during
the past year or not;
(d) all married men who are living with
or wholly maintaining their wives whose income including the wife's income is
$1,300 or over for the past year;
(e) al other persons whose income is
$720 or over for the past year.
Forms of return may be obtained from the Inland Revenue Department, Bridge Street, AFTER THE 1ST' DAY OF JANUARY, 1957,
and the forms duly filled in must be delivered to me on or before the following respective dates:
1. Returns of persons whose books were
closed on the 31st day of December, 1956,
on or before the 31st day of March, 1957.
2. Returns of persons whose principal place
of business is not situate in the island on
or before the 30th day of June, 1957.
3. Returns of all other persons, on or before
the 31st day of January, 1957.
N. D. OSBORNE,
Acting Commissioner of Inland Revenue.
FORMS to be usedUse WHITE form if you are in receipt of emoluments which will be subject to Pay As
You Earn deductions.
Use PINK form (a) if you are engaged in trade or business as a Proprietor or Partner.
(b) if return is submitted on behalf of a limited liability COMPANY.
Use GREEN form in all other cases. Note :
(1) Any person failing to make his return
within the due date will be liable to a fine not exceeding $480.00 and not less than
(2) Except in cases where the owner of the
income is incapacitated and/or the permission of the Commissioner has been obtained to signature by another person, the form must be signed by the person
whose income is returned.
(3) Either the husband or the wife may request the Commissioner by notice, in writing on or before the date prescribed for the delivery of the return to divide the tax and issue separate assessment notices.
(4) Any person who is not domiciled in this
island and who, although not having resided here for six months during 1956, would still be regarded as resident for taxation purposes, may claim, on or before the date prescribed for the delivery of the return,
to be charged as a non-resident.
JANUAR~Y 7, 195'7
1-OFCA GZTEJNUR ,15
NOTIcE No. 349 -(third publication)
Re the Estate of
XATILDA THERESA TAYLOR, Deceased
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that all persons having any debt or claim against the Estate of Matilda Theresa Taylor, deceased late of Bank Hall Cross Road in the parish of Saint Michael in this island who died on the I ih day of October, 1956, lre requested to send in particulars of their claims duly attested to the undersigned Winston Orville Haynes C/o. iessrs. Hayeaes & Griffith, Solicitors, No. 12 High iStreet, Bridgetown, on or before the 31st. day of January 1957, after which day I shall
proceed to distribute the assets of the deceased Among the parties entitled thereto having regard only to such claims of which I shall then have had notice and I will not be liable for the assets or any part thereof so distributed to any person of whose debt or claim I shall :not then have had notice.
And all persons -indebted to the said estate are requested to settle their said ind-ohtednesswithout delay.
Dated this 30th day of November, 1956.
WINSTON ORVILLE HAYNES
Qual'-fied Executor of the Will Matilda Theresa Taylor deceased.
NOTICE No.P047- (fonrtl publication)
CONSTANCE EMILY O'NEAL, deceased
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that persons
having any debt or claim against the Estate of Constance Emily O'Neal, formerly of Vahitehall, Saint Peter, BarbadoS, but late of Kedowa, Kenya, who died in Kenya on the 26th day of July 1956, are hereby required to send particulars of their claims, duly attested, to the undersigned, c/o Messrs. Cottle Catford & Co., of No. 17 High Street, Bridgetown, S olicitors, on or before the 31st day of January 1957, after which date we she il proceed to dis-tribute the assets of the estate among the parties entitled thereto having regard to the debts and .claims only of which we shall then have had notice, and that we shall not be liable for asset; so distributed to any person of whose debt or claim we shall not have had notice at the time of such distribution. And all persons indebted to the said estate are mnnuested to settle their accounts without delay.
Dated this 21st day of November, 1956.
HENRY GORDON MVURRAY,
EUSTACE MAXWELL SHILSTONE,
GEORGE EDWARD VALENTINE
Qualified Executors of the Estate of
Constance Emily O'Neal, deceased.
NOTICE No. 366 -(third publication NOTICE
re Estate of
MARGARET WILHELMINA INNISS,
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that all persons having any debt or claims against the Estate of idARGARET WILHELMINA INNISS, deceased,
late of Strathclyde in the parish of Saint Michael in this Island who died on the 21st day of September 1956 are requested to send in particulars of their claims duly attested to the under-signed HENRY HUTSON INNISS, e/o Messrs. Carrington and
Scaly, S olicitors, Lucas Street, Bridgetown, on or before the 28th day of February 1957, after which date I shall proceed to distribute the estate of the deceased among the parties entitled thereto having regard only to such claims of which I shall then have had notice and I will not be liable for the assets or any part thereof so distributed to any person of whose debt or claim I shall not then have. had notice.
AND all persons indebted to the said Estate .?,re requested to settle their indebtedness without delay.
Dated this 4th day of December, 1956.
HENRY HUTSON INNISRS,
Qualified Executor of the will of
MARGARET WILHELMINA INNISS, deceasedNoTicE No. 345 -(fourth publication'
Re estate of
JOSEPH NATHANIEL ELLIS deceased
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that all persons, having any debt or claim affecting the estate of Joseph Nathaniel E1i Iate of BushI Hall in the parish of Saint Michael who died in this island on the 15th day of Iay 1956 are hereby required to send in particulars of their claims duly attested to the undered c/o N. A. Niles of 12 James Street, Bridgetown, on or before the 25th day of January, 1957, after which date I shall proceed to distribute the assets of the said estate among the parties entitled thereto having regard to the debts and claims only of which I shall then have had notice, and that I shall not beliable for assets so distributed to any person of whose, debt or claim I shall not have had notice at the time of such distribution.
And all persons indebted to the said estate arai requested to settle their accounts without delay.
Dated this 21st day of November 1956.
ISABELL BELFIELD ELLIS,
Estate of Joseph NathanP4,T Ellis deceased.
JANUARY 7, 1957
JANUARY 7, 1957 OFFICIAL GAZETTE 11
.,es. No. 1/1957 M.P. 3001/25/14/T. 2
HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY.
Resol ved that the sum of THREE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE
THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY FOUR DOLLARS be granted from the Public Treasury and placed at the disposal of the Governor-inExecutive Committee to supplement the Estimates, 1956-57, Part II--Capital as shown in the Supplementary Estimate, 1956-57 No. 45, which forms the Schedule to this Resolution, and that the Legislative
Council be invited to concur herein, and if concurred in,
Resolved that His Excellency the Governor be asked to assent and
take the necessary steps to give effect to this Resolution.
8th January, 1957.
H. GORDON CUMMINS, Speaker.
Concurred in by the Legislative Council the fifteenth day of January, 1957.
H. A. CUKE,
i. D. H. ARUNDELL,
16th January, 1957
Supplementary Estimate, 1956-57 No. 45
Provision in Approv- Provision in Supple- Supplementary Proed Estimates 1956-57 mentary Estimates vision Required HEAD AND ITEM Nos. 1- 44
OF APPROVED ESTIMATES Fixed! Fixed Fixed To be
by Law Voted by Law Voted by Law Voted
$ $ $ $ $ $
PART II- CAPITAL$
B. AVAILABLE FUNDS
HEAD V-- COMMUNICATIONS
10. (New). Acquisition of
SJAN:UARY -7,, 1957
RETURN OF RAINFALL AT CENTRAL AND DISTRICT POLICE STATIONS FOR THE WEEK ENDED 7TH JANUARY, 1957
Central Station . . . . .03 .06 - j .19- .02 .30
District "A" Station .". 05 -- 005 .22 02 .01 .35
"B" ,. -- 02 03 1.21 02 .18 .46
,, " " , ï¿½. . --- ,i .90 .02 .08.3
Four Roads Station . . .03 .09 .08 .05 .16 .13 .14 .68 District "D" Station . . . . .16 .17 .10 I 08 .08 .11 .70
,, E" ,, . . .20 .15 .02 _ I .2 ! .10 .4 1 1
Crab Hill Station . .27 02 .04 .02 .02 .30 .67
District "F" Station . .13 .06 .09 .08 1 .13 .36 .85 Belleplaine Station . .11 .04 1 .l,0.12 ' .08 .21 .57 Holetoae Sation .14 .10 .20 .06 .11 .06 .04 .71
AVER AGE . . . . . .04 .10 .06 .04 .15 .06 .17 .62
IPolice Headquarters, Bridgetown, Dated 10th January, 1957.
I. A. STOUTE, Commissioner of Police,
JA.NUARY 7, 1957
Tuesday, January 24, 1956.
The Honourable the Legislative Council met in the Council Chamber, Public Buildings, at 2 o'clock p.m. today.
The Hon'ble Sir ARCHIBALD CUKE, C.B.E.,
,, ,, Dr. H. G. M'ASSIAH, M.D., C.M.,
Y7 ,, G. D. L. PILE, O.B.E.,
,, ,,4 Dr. C. H. ST. JOHN, M.B., B.S.,
, ,,F. C. HuTsoN, M.I., Mech. E.,
, 9,V. C. GALE,
J. A. AHON,
R. N. TURNER, C.M.G.,
K. R. HUNTE, O.B.E., A.S.I.S.,
E. S. ROBINSON,
Mrs. N. G. DAYS,
F. E. FIELD,
Dr. A. S. CATO, M.B., Ch.B.
Prayers were read.
The Hon'ble R. N. Turner moved that the Miinute, of the Meeting of the 10th January, as printed and circulated, be taken as read and be confirmed.
The I-on'ble F. E. Field seconded the notioli.
The question was put to the Council and agreed to.
LEAVE FOR ABSENT MEMBER
The Acting Clerk informed the Council that he had received notification that His Excellency the Governor had been pleased to grant the Hon'ble Dr. A. S. Cato leave from the 28th January to the 31st March, 1956
The Hon'ble R. N. Turner laid the following documents by command of His Excellency the Governor:1. The Civil Establishment (General) Amendment) Order, 1956.
2. The Civil Establishment (General) (Amendmelit) No. 2 Order, 1956.
3. The Civil Establishment (General) (Amendment) No. 3 Order, 1956.
4. Statement showing Gross Customs and Excise Receipts for nine months ended 31st December, 1955.
The Hon'ble J. A. Mahon presented a petition from the members of the Vestry of St. Thomas prayil, g the Council's concurrence in a Bill to amend the Vestries Act, 1911, authorisiong an increase in the amount which the Vestry is allowed to borrow under the provisions of section 71 of the Act.
The Hon'ble member informed the Council that the petition was respectfully worded and asked that it be taken as read.
The petition was taken as read.
The Hon'ble Dr. H. G. Massiah presented the f allowing report:
REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE APPOINTED TO DRAFT A REPLY TO MESSAGE NO. 39/1955 FROM HIS EXCELLENCY THE GOVERNOR
The Committee appointed to draft a reply to His fxeellency the Governor's Message No. 39/1955 have Lhe honour to recommend that the following reply be sent to the M\essage:The Legislative Council
I'i:s E x'Jclcnyc The G oucrio
The Legislative Council have the honour to refer to Your Excelleney's Message No. 39'/1955 and to inform Your Excellency iia reply, that they concur.
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)m the appointment of the, delegation to represent the G overnment of Barbados at the final Conference au Federation which is due to begin iiu London on the 7th of February, 1956.
His Honour the President called the first Order
-Consideration of a reply to His Excellency the Governor's Message No. 39/1955 seeking the concurrence of the Council in the appointment of the delegatioti to represent the Government of Barbados at the final Conference on Federation.
HON'BLE Dr. [I. G. iMASSIAH. Sir,--I would like to move that the report which has just been presented be accepted by this Council. I feel certain, however, that some criticisms are in order about the manner in which this whole business has been coiiducted. It would appear to me that Federation is not a party matter. It is something which concerns the island as a whole; and I think it would have been wise for members of the Opposition in the Other Place to have been asked to represent the Island at the London Conference along with the members of the Government Party.
It is too important a matter to be considered as a -party issue, and I think that not to have adopted what I have suggested is wrong procedure. Unfortunately, this Council has not got the power to vary the appointment of the delegation, and that is something which I regret; but we can at least say what we think, and ini the interest of the Island I am quite convinced that the procedure that has been adopted was wrong.
I move, sir, that the Council adopt the report of the Select Committee.
Hon'ble F. C. H-.utson seconded the motion.
HON'BLE DR. C. TI. ST. JOHN- Sir,-l
take it that now that it has been decided that Barbados should enter into a Federation of the British West Indies all that we can do is to offer advice in the hope that it will be of some value at this final conference which will take place before the Federal Instrument is drafted.
Now, "the delegates to this conference are for the most part politicians, and I think it is right that that. should be so. The political side is augmented not only by the appointment of a legal adviser to the delegation. but also by the appointment of an adviser without portfolio; bnt what about the economic side?
We all know, Sir, that you, with your usual efficiency will do alt that lies in your power for the benefit of this Island; but I would remind you that you cannot possibly think of everything. I say that now because of what I am going to say later on, an4 furthermore you will also have to pay attention to the political side of things.
Now Barbados is passing through what is probably the greatest crisis in her history. She has more to give up to the Federal Government than any other British West Indian territory. She will have to give up her self-government, and furthermore she will be handing over to others the power to Barbadians.
Now, Sir, in the Fiscal Report of Sir Sidney Caine there is put forward an alternative method of raising federal revenue He suggests Federal
Customs Duties on certain specific items such as gasolene, spirits, cigarettes and beer. He al!o suggests that the profits of the Currency Board should go to the Federal Government, and he suggests, a bit half-heartedly, that the Federal Government should have the power to levy an Income Tax in addition to the tax levied by the Units.
I trust that the delegates will stick to the original plan of 15 per cent of the Customs Revenue o2 each territory, instead of Sir Sidney Caine's suggestions. If that is not enough to meet the estimated federal expenditure for the first five years
plus 50 per cent-of the total, then we should cut our coat to suit the cloth we have. The additional 50 per cent which it is suggested should be given to federal reserve should be cut down, and that has Sir Sidney's blessings, but it will be noticed that he suggests that it would be liable to take too much revenue from the units, and reduce the incentive to economy on the part of the Federal Government.
Now, there are two sections of this Report which particularly interest me. In Section 1.17 Sir Sidney expresses the view that five years is a very short period in which to expect, any clearly visible results. He says this: ". It is implicit too,
that having examined the achievements of Federation after five years (itself a very short period in which to expect any clearly visible results), the Unit Governments would decide on how much more or less scope to give to the Federal Government, or perhaps even whether to terminate the experiment altogether."
I think that if the delegates stick to the original plan Barbadians will understand, and .will take comfort from the knowledge that our entrance into the Federation is being regarded as a calculated risk, rather than as a leap in the dark.
Sir Sidney gives some new estimates as regards the capital expenditure of the Federation and he. makes suggestions for meeting that expenditure. He suggests a grant from the United Kingdom. That was understood from the start, and what I would like you to do, Sir, is, to make a strong plea that the British Government supplies at least three quarters of the whole cost; because they are the people who are pressing Federation upon us. You will remember, Sir, that our Chief Secretary was the only Englishman sincere enough to say in public that "the position as I see it is that the British Government has brought no undue pressure to bear on Federation." Allowing for the habit of understatement of all Englishmen, that statement speaks
Sir Sidney also suggests that a loan should be floated. I may be wrong, but my view is that if that loan is floated in the West Indies it will not be a success unless the Unit Governments take GoOernment !Savings ,Banks reserves and invest them in the loan-a procedure which the depositors of these reserves would never adopt of their own accord.
The Fiscal Commissioner suggests Federal Taxation. That brings me, Sir, to the hope that when the Conference is discussing the sources of federal revenue you will keep in mind Barbadian interests, ,and the number of projects to which we axe already committed. There is the cost of the deep water harbour, and of the roads that will lead to the harbour. *There is the compensation to be paid to the people over whose land the roads are to go. We 'all know that the Government has to re-imburse the bus owners-we hear to the tune of at least $300,000-and if what I hear is true-and I know it to be true because I heard it from those
who are in a position to know-owing to the condition of the buses pretty soon the Government will have to buy an entirely new fleet of buses. Then they cannot continue to leave the buses in the open. They will have to rent garages or build them. In addition they will have to supply a machine shop to service these buses.
Again there is the plan for a new 600-bed hospital at ï¿½500 a bed which works out at $1,140,000, and we may also have cottage hospitals. That brings yon back to Barbadian taxation which, as you know, is heavy at present. The first time that a Barbadian receives a tax bill for Federal services
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as well as local services he will not feel too good about it unless you have taken care. to see that everything is in favour of the Units to start with.
I am not interested in the political side so much; but I would like to ask'-why has the Government only appointed politicians and aa official as advisers to the delegation. Surely they should have had a Barbadian business man to advise on the many economic details that will arise. As I have already said, Sir, you cannot think of everything, and it will be necessary to see that the federal financial shoe does not pinch the Barbadian wearer. Business men, as you know, are accustomed to dealing with similar situations in their businesses. In the hard school of experience they have developed the "know how" in dealing with estimates that are altered as a result of taxation, customs duties, loses etc. That "know how" would, .J think, be of great value at such a conference.
Sir, there are many thinking people in thiv Island who feel that the Financial Secretary, a non-Barbadian Official, should not be the sole adviser on economics to the delegation. There is no reason why even at this late hour a Barbadian business man should not be appointed. The occasion is too important to quibble at expense. That, Sir, is why I am sorry that this debate did not take place last week; but the occasion is so important that I do not think that lateness matters.
There is one other point that I want to make, and that is that if during the conference there should be discussion on the interests of Barbadians versus the interests of any other West Indian island, show the delegates a 50 cents coin. Ask then if they know who designed it, and tell them it was an Englishman and tell them you are sure that he wa: a man with a sense of Values. If they look at the back of the coin they will see that half of the space in tjhe upper half carries the Arms of Barbados. and in the lower half those of the Windward and Leeward Islands and British ,Guiana.
HON'BLEI E. S. ROBINSON: ir,-Like tI
lion'ble Dr. St. John I rise to offer a few suggestions to vou and to the Hon 'ble Acting Attorney General with regard to the very great responsibility that has been placed upon his shoulders.
As you know, Sir, from the time that I have had
the honour of being a member of this Hon'ble Council each time that the subject of Federation has been debated I have expressed my views forcibly. On the last occasion when what is now commonly called the "London Plan" was debated in this Council a decision was taken -only by a majority of one-that the Legislative Council of Barbados agreed to the-London 'Plan. Had it not been for the fact that twvo official members of this Council at that time exercised their right to vote it would have gone on record that the Council did not agree to the London Plan. That is what would have happened had the I wo official members followed the advice of Tier Majesty's Government to let the people of the WestIndies decide this matter' for themselves.
However, Sir, it was decided by a majority vote of one, and therefore, following parliamentary procedure 'I will not attempt to re-open debate on
the pros and cons of Federation. It has been decided. Pnd I abide by that decision. At the time I said that if ever Federation became a reality I would do my utmost - although I hold different viewsto co-operate with those whose views are different from mine on this matter. I stick to that.
Now, Sir, we are discussing a Message in reply to the Governor's Message in which he informed us that six people have been chosen to represent this Island at this very momentous conference which will take place in London. It is well understood
that we in this Chamber cannot in any way, as ion'ble Dr. Massiah has said, change the personnel of the delegation. We either have to concur with the selection or reject it; but I must say that I heartily agree with .tIon'ble Dr. St. John when he says that a, business man from Barbados should be included on the delegation. I also think that the delegation is too large.
I would like to draw to the attention of the Government the fact that the largest of the units of this proposed Federation - Jamaica--has only seen fit to select three delegates to represent her at this conference, and among the three is a -ember of the Opiposition in the House of Representa. ties. (HON'BLE MEMBERS:-Our delegation has three delegates and three advisers) I am glad that hon'ble members have corrected me, and said that there are three delegates, because I would like to point out that as far as I understand the procedure, the Premier of Barbados will be the only delegate who will have the right to vote for Barbados at the conference. I have seen it stated that there will be one vote and one vote only. That is, the Premier a'one will vote for Barbados, the Chief Minister of Jamaica for Janiaiea, iMr. Gomes forTrinidad etc. If that is the case, I think we might better have sent one delegate and five advisers.
Now I come to the cost of this delegation for which we Will soon be asked to vote a sum of money. ,it does seem strange to me, Sir, that we in the West Indies have been asked to select delegates from all these scattered units and fly them to London so as to hold this conference in London. I imagine that the total number of delegates and advisers attendino' this conference will amount to not less than 30 or 40. Then if one estimates on the basis of what we have to pay here for passages for our delegates, plus hotel bill and subsistence allowance, and assume that the conference will last 10 days, and probably 20 days or longer, then I am sure that the cost to the West Indies as a whole will be not less than ï¿½50,000.
Now I think it would have been much better if this conference was held in the West Indies. In the first place the inhabitants of these islands would be an a better position to have first hand information as regards what is taking place. The man in the street who hardly knows what is meant by Federation would probably appreciate the fact that this conference was being held somewhere in the proposed units.
Secondly, what could have prevented the Seeretary of State for the Colonies and his officials from flying out to the West Indies and holding this conference? I repeat, Sir, that the conference should be held in. one of the units both from the point of view of economy, and from the point of view. of the people of the units getting first han d information about what was taking place.
Sir, you as our President, have a reputation, that is fast becoming world-wide, as an Economist. and undoubtedly you will advise the delegation on
alatters dealing with finance. Similarly, the Financial Secretary will deal with those matters, and very grave matters they will be judging from the report of the Fiscal Commissioner. I am prepared to agree that the selection of the two of you. is a wise and proper move on the part of the Government; but I also see included my learned friend the lion'ble Acting Attorney General. I can only assume that he is going to advise on the report of the Judicial Commissioner; or perhaps he is being taken to help draft the constitutional instrument that is to be agreed to by 0rder-in-Council. If my last surmise is right, I hope to welcome the hon'ble member back to Barbados some time during the summer.
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As regards the Hon'ble Dr. Cato, one of our colleagues, it is well known that he has oeen seiectea as 'Xedical Adviser to the Hon'ble Premier. I trust he will see that the Premier does not injure hi; knee while in London, and that he returns to us in good health.
Where the Minister of Agriculture is concerned, he probably is going over to advise on the recommendation of the Civil Service C'ommissioner that a Federal Department of Agriculture be established when Federation becomes a reality, the department costing $50,000 a year in its embryonic stage. I hope that the Minister will give wise advice on that subject.
Sir, I repeat that in my view one delegate and two advisers would have been enough to represent the views of the Government of Barbados at this very momentous conference.
I turn now to the question of procedure. I received a typewritten note by special messenger yesterday afternoon stating that you, Sir, as President, had ruled that in discussing the Reply to His Excellency's Message members should avail themselves of the opportunity of dealing with the reports of the three Pre-federal Commissioners. I abide by that ruling, but I would respectfully suggest that In respect of a subject of such magnitude as the one we are discussing. I do consider that a specific order should have been placed on the Agenda of this
Council for a debate of the reports of the three Commissioners. I know that in the Other Place the Premier gave members an opportunity of discussing these reports on a motion for the adjournment of the House. I abide by the ruling, but I do suggest that the reports should be discussed separate from the Reply to the Governor's Message about the composition of the delegation.
I would now like to touch on another aspect of procedure, and perhaps when I am finished the Hon'ble Acting Attorney General will give us his opinion. I would like to question whether our delegates are going to the conference with plenipotentiary powers. I saw it stated that the Secretary of State for the Colonies had said that the London Conference must be a conference at which some finality could be arrived at. If that is so the delegates should be vested with plenipotentiary powers. I want to know what is the correct procedure for vesting the delegates with such powers.
In this connect ion I would like to draw fihe attention of the Council to the Resolution that was formally moved by Mr. MUanley in the House of Representatives in Jamaica and which was passed unanimously.: The Resolution begins oii Page 1 of the extract from the Daily Uleaimer of December 1, 1955, and if members will turn to Page 2 they wiil see that definite authority was given by the House 'of Representatives to the Jamaica Delegation, I will bring to the notice of hon 'ble members these words in the Resolution:-". . . aiid with authority to make all major decisions to that end and to reach finaJ conclusions with Her Majesty's Government iii
regard to the means, machinery and legislation
required to enable the Caribbean Federation, to be established."
Now it is clear to me that the House of Representatives by that resolution vested the Jamaica Delegation with plenipotentiary powers. Nothing like that, so far as I know, has taken place in this Island. I take it that the Governor-in-Executive Committee is not the correct body to vest our delegation with plenipotentiary powers. I suggest that that should be within the province of both Houses of the Legislature - one House the elected representatives of the people, and the other House
having the duty to concur in, or to reject the proposals of the other House. I am very doubtful, Mr. President, whether in truth and in fact our delegation has 11lenipotentiary powers.
I would be glad if the Hon'ble Acting Attorney General with his vast experience in procedure would explain to lion'ble members whether I am right or wrong. As far as I know, the representative of Her Majesty's Government at the United Nations is not vested with plenipotentiary powers. He is there to represent Her Majesty's Government, but he has to take instructions from his Government on any decisions that he has to make at the U.N. For these reasons I question the procedure that has been adopted in Barbados. I think that the procedure adopted in Jamaica was correct. I would hate our delegates to arrive in London and find themselves placed in an embarrassing position.
There is another matter of procedure that I would like to bring to the attention of the Council. I noticed in the public Press a few days ago that one of our colleagues, the Hon'ble Dr. Cato, who is one of the advisers to our delegation, had left the Island for Montreal. He was termed as having left as an adviser to the delegation. I submit, Sir, that at bie tie of his departure this lHon'Gle Board had not concurred in the Governor's message, nor had this Board concurred in the Resolution to pay the passage expenses of any of the delegates. I am wondering, Sir, from what money the passage expenses of the Hon'ble Dr. Cato were paid. I trust not out of Government funds; because although I will not oppose the selection of my hon'ble friend, I think that lie has jumped the gun. I bring it to your attention, Sir, as President, so that we may get some explanation with regard to how an adviser to the delegation can leave the Island styled as an adviser to the delegation without his appointment having been given the approval and sanction of both Houses of the Legislature, and without the Resolu.tion to pay the passage expenses having been concurred in by the Legislature. Perhaps again my learned friend the Acting Attorney General will be able to clarify the position.
I would now like, briefly, to deal with the reports of the Pre-federal Comnissioners. First I would deal with the Report of the Judicial Commissioner. lie has made a first class report and I might mention that the Hon:ble Acting Attorney General was one of the members of that Commission. In section 42 of his ' eport the Judical Commissioner says that a strong recommendation was put up that tihe Federal Court should also function as a Court of Criminal1 Appeal from the Assize Courts of the Units and of British Guiana as well, if it decides to become affiliated with the Court.
Then in section 43 he says that if this recomImendation is accepted, the proper solution would be the appointment of three more judges as permanent nimnbers of the Court. That nieans that instead off having a Suprenie Judge and three additional judges there wil have to be three extra j udges. We will therefore
have a Supreme Judge and six extra judges, making a total of seven. I would like to ask the Hon1be Acting Attorney General if he, as a Barbadian. and knowing the limited resources of the proposed Units and the already high taxation, really made that suggestion and agrees with the recommendation ,f the Judicial C omnmissioner.
Perhaps I should remind hon'ble members that the Supreme Court of the Dominion of Canada, con.sists of a Supreme Chief Justice, and eight judges, namely nine, in all. The Supreme Court of the Commonwealth of Australia only consists of a Su-
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preme Judge and six other judges, making the total of seven. But we in the British West Indies are be. ing asked to have a Supreme Court of a Chief Justice and six judges. Therefore, in truth and in fact we will have a Supremc Court equal in size to that of the Commonwealth of Australia amd only slightly .smaller than that of the Dominion of Canada.
Now I turn to the question of the salaries of those learned gentlemen, and I see it noted that the Judicial Commissioner recomnimends that the Supreme Chief Justice should draw a salary ï¿½500 to ï¿½1,000 greater than that of the best paid Chief Justice of any of the Courts of the Units. He also recommends that the salary of the judges be not less, but preferably greater than the salary of the best paid Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of any of the Units. 'hat is the judicial superstructure that will be im. posed on the judicial structures that already exist i. the various Units. The only recommendation for ,economy that I see is in the recommendation of the Commissioner that the West Indian Court of Appeal should be absorbed in the Federal Supreme Court. I wonder if the Hon'ble Acting Attorney General is seriously going to advise the Premier to accept those
-costly recommendations. I would like to hear his
-views later on.
Now when this Council discussed the Londn Plan in January last year it agreed to that plan, .and the other Legislatures of the area have agreed to it. I would like to take this opportunity to warn the delegates who will represent us in Londei and to warn their advisers that if any major changes of this plan are brought up for discussion, any d1;isions which fundamentally change that plan, they have no right to agree to those fundamental changes without referring them back to their respective gov-ermuents to get the approval of the respective legislatures,.
undoubtedly suggestions will be made from time to time Which will slightly alter the details of the London Plan, and which I take it our delegates uoula b at liberty to accept if they so desire; but I warn
-tiiem not to attempt to change the basis of that piano fundamentally or they will find themselves out oi court.
I have raised this point because I see that the Chief Minister of Jamaica has presented in the House of Representatives of that island seven points which are now known as the Seven-Point Programme. I submit
-that those points have fundamental changes in them, v'ery fundamental changes. For instance, it is laid down in the London Plan that the Council of State of the proposed Federation should consist of the Premier, three officials to be appointed by the Gov:ernor General, seven members from the Lower Chain:ber to be appointed by the Prime Minister and thre members of the Federal Senate to be appointed by the Governor General-in-Council. Therefore, the setup of the so called Cabinet will be the Premier, three officials who I take it, will be the: Chief S ecretary, the Financial Secretary and the Attorney Gen.eral, and the Governor General will have the right to appoint them. Then there will be seven members of the elected Chamber along with the Premier him.-
self who will have the right to nominate these seven. The Governor General-in-Council will then nomiinate three members of the Senate making a total of 14*.
That was in the London Plan, and along comes MX[r. Manley and suggests that the official members should be removed from the Federal Executive. That, in my opinion, is a fundamental change. He then
-suggests that the Federal Prime Minister should, be .oiven sole discretion in the appointment of Federal Senators to the Executive without minimum limita-
tons to number, and thirdly, that the reserve pow,ers of the Governor General be reduced.
I would like to ask you as President, Sir, and as one of our delegates v nether you are going to agree with any of those suggestions that Mr. Manley nas p.ut forward. I submit that they are fundamentals. changes, and that you have no authority to make such fundamental changes in the Plan that has been agreed to by the Legislatures of the territories.
Now I will touch briefly on the report of the Civil Service Commissioner, Sir Hilary Blood. Ths Commissioner, was one of our past governors, and I must say that his report is very concise and to; the point. I do appreciate one of his opening remarks in which he says that mouch of the report is based on a series of suppositions. That appeals to me, because in my view the whole question of Federation is based (n a series of suppositions. I think that Sir Hilary expressed the views of a, considerable number of peop-le in the West Indies.
Like the Judicial Comnmissioner he has based his salary scales for the Federal Administrative Service on the highest salaries paid to, similar officers in Unit Governments, and that leave passages b-- granted on the most favourable existing basisiiamely Trinidad. Our Chief Secretary happened to be mem ber of that Conunission, and no doubt he must have agTeed with these suggestions. If he does iiot I hope that he will tell us what he disagrees with.
It does strike me as significant that no recommendation for economy whatever is made by either of these two Commissioners with the exception of the suggestion that the West Indian Court of
Appeal be absorbed in the Federal Supreme Court. That is the only suggestion for a reduction of any of the existing judicial or administrative services in the Units at present. In other words, we continue to have our present Ministerial Governments in the various territories, we continue to have a, Governor over each unit and the complete set-up continues as it is today; and on top of all that we will impose a very large structure. Surely with a population of a little over three and a half million some recommendation with regard to the Publie Services with respect to a reduction in such services could have been made. I would like to ask you, Sir, the Hon'ble Chief Secretary and the Hon'ble Acting Attorney General why no reduction was recommended.
There must be some reason, Sir. Is it because in the opinion of these Commissioners the West Indian Units can afford this suggested superstructure, or is it not?
NOW there is another fundamental change sug'gested by Mr. Manley, and that is that :a I\I[inister in a Unit could also be a Minister in the F ederal Government. I wonder if thme Hon'ble Acting Attorney General will agree with that when tme Ministers in Barbados do not now even have enough: time to do their own work.
I turn now to the next report, which in t,-uth and in fact is the most inmortant-the Fiscal
Report by Sir Sidney Caine. I do admire Sir Sidney Caine because lie is very frank in his views. Il am a very frank man myself. If lmon'ble, meir hers will turn to section 43 they will see that 1ho
says "The estimates here presented are tho best cuess that I can make." I think that that is fin'r. I really a-Dreciate that. His guess is that the cap;tal expenditure of the Federation will be ï¿½2.fO.0 and not ï¿½520,000 as was formerly estimate.]. That is a first class guess.
I see that on the question of capital expendture lie recommends that the house, in which f--1 distinguished Governor-General is going to livo should cost ï¿½150,000. If I were a member of the Other Place Ti would go into the Green and make such a row that I would top the polls% at the coming
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elections. L would tell the people to imagine, they are starving and, want something to eat and we are going to build a house for the Governor-General costing C150,u~u-$720,000. I would tell them imagine that was happening when all of them would like a five dollar note.
I wonder whether you and the Acting Attorney General will advise the Premier to agree to an expenditure of ï¿½150,000 on the Governor General's house. I also note that the house for the Premier is to cost ï¿½25,000-quite a nice little bungalow. I hope that it will be air conditioned, if he is coming to live in the, tropics it should be. But can we really afford it? I doubt it very much.
Now we have seen that the Fiscal Commissioner tells us that he estimates that the capital expenditure will be, four times what it was estimated at by Colonial Development and Welfare Organisation in 1952-53. Similarly, the recurrent expenditure has gone up, and the Commissioner estimates that the total recurrent expenditure will be somewhere in the vicinity of ï¿½2,000,000. So you have on one side a capital expenditure of ï¿½2,100,000 and a recurrent expenditure of roughly E2,000,000 a year.
I am not going to go into the points about how he proposes to raise -revenue because *,Hon'ble Dr. St. John has gone into that and I must agree with his last remark when he said he :trusted when Federation became a reality the financial shoe does not pinch the Barbadian wearer. I suggest that it will even give him corns. It is clear to me, and I think it should be clear to any thinking person if they have read these reports, that the cost of Federation is going to be a great deal more than was originally anticipated. The question to my mind, Sir, is whether Barbados is going to be able to bear this additional expense and still proceed with the various schemes of social amelioration which we have undertaken in recent years. That is a question which I think will worry the minds not only of our delegates, but of all the thinking people of these Units. Can we continue with our Five Year Plans? Can we continue with the very desirable social schemes that we have undertaken and that we plan to undertake in the future, if we get committed, to this big expenditure? Or is it the desire of you, Sir, and of the, delegates and advisers that we should have Federation ,at any price? I should like to know that. Are you going with the idea that because the various Unit Governments have agreed to Federation as laid down in the London Plan therefore irrespective of the cost we must have Federation? Tell us. The
people want to know it.
I want to say, Sir, that the delegates and advisers must be very cautious about committing Barbados to any fundamental changes in the London Plan without first obtaining the approval and sanction of Legislature. In my opinion they do not have-plenipotentiary powers. That is my considered opinion. I also hope that the delegates will realise that it would be disastrous for Barbados to join the Federation at any price. It would, in my view, have a disastrous effect on the well being of
the people of this Island if such a thing came about.
I have to repea;. because I feel it my duty to do so, that the delegates must be very careful about the decisions they take in London. Although, as I have said, I hold different views on the subject. I still wish the Premier and his fellow delegates and advisers the best. and, I trust that the decisions taken at the conference will result in lasting benefit to the people of the British West Indies. (Cheers)
HON'BLE G. D. L. PILE: Sir,-I would like to congratulate the hon'ble member who has just sat on the very excellent speech that he made. As ihe said in his opening remarks this Council agreed
to the London Plan by a majority of just one! due. to the officials who were present exercising their right to vote. Due to that, those who opposed
Federation according to the London Plan were the losers and it was my opinion then, and it still is, that the Island lost because we lost.
However, Sir, I am a supporter of correct parliamentary practice, and according to that practice once a decision is taken on a matter, their matter is closed. I am not proposing to reopen it now in any way at ,all; but as the Hon'ble Mr. Robinson has pointed out, these Reports, particularly the one of the Fiscal Commissioner, do make one wonder whether since the Legislature has agreed to the London Plan the delegates are bound by that Plan or whether they can agree to any modification of that Plan which seems to them to be right.
I take it, Sir, that you will agree that the delegates going to the conference are not necessarily bound by anything in thaot Pilan.1 in the light of what has appeared since in these reports; but if the figures put forward in the Fiscal Commissioner's Report are correct they do throw a very different complexion on Federation.
The Hon'ble Mr. Robinson asked several questions to which I Would like to know the answers. [ believe it was said that this was to be a final conference, and that the delegates should go with plenipotentiary powers; that they should be able to com e to decisions binding their governments. i would like to know from you if that is correct. Are the delegates entitled to come to decisions binding the Government of this colony, and secondly, is it a matter of all the delegates agreeing or only the Premier? 1 think it is very important that we should know what the powers of these delegates are.
The Hon'ble Mr. Robinson referred to an extract from the "Daily Gleaner" which set out the seven points put forward by Mr. Manley. Mr. Manley suggests that official members should be removed fromir the Federal Executive. I think that that would be a very bad step indeed. He also suggests that thc Federal Prime Minister should be given sole discre-tion in the appointment of Federal Senators to thtl Executive without the minimum limitations to number. Again I do not think that most of the people, .who have agreed to IPederation want to rush their fences like that. That might well be a development later on, but not right at the start.
ir. Mlanley's third point is that the Reseri Powers of the Governor General be reduced. Then i- goes on to object to the arrangement of the 1953 Conference tha~t a member might remain a member r of boilh Unit and Federal Parliaments but could not ta Minister in the. Unit Go vernment. H~e calls that a a Minister in the Unit Goverment. He calls that a bastard arrangement.
I'f there is one thing t~hat emerged from that 'London ConA'erence that fills one with the most absolute horror, Sir, it is that a person should be able to sit as a member of a Unit Legislature and also occupy a. seat in the Federal Legisha[Aute. Why should anyone want that to ;happen? :Shrely the only answer is that one is afraid.
that there will not be enough people of the, proper calibre to occuj these seats. Mr. Manley thinks that those members who are Ministers in the Unit Governments should be able to be Ministers in the Federal Government as well. I hope that if there is the slightest chance at the coming conference of gftt.n'g that reversed it will be done.
I do not know if there is anything more that I can say that Hon'ble Mr. Robinson did not say. Hon'ble Dr. St. John did not like the suggestions by
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Ac- e Fiscal Commissioner with regards to financing the Federation. If what the Commissioner says is right it is clear that the people who have been grining out some of the arrangements for this Federation Aid not know what they were talking about in many .cases. In Section 61 the F'iscal Commissioner says this:"The first matter, the provision of an unallocated income out of which the cost of 'new' Federal services can be met, at once raises an arithmelcal difficulty. If the initial-estimate is made on the bass of minimum Federal activities the 'margin for expansion' being a fixed percentage is automatically reduced. If a wider view is taken initially, the margin is increased. The greater the provision made for initial activities, and the less therefore the need for subsequent expansion, the higher will be the margin for such expansion."
That does seem to be the flaw in the scheme. What the Commissioner suggests is better, provided that one can limit the rate of taxation that can be put on.
I do hope, Sir, that the important questions that have been asked will be answered. The two main questions that I have asked are whether the delegates will be able to make decisions binding on the Government and whether those decisions will be voted on by all three delegates or by the Premier alone.
HON'BLE K. R. HUNTE: Sir,-I too would like to congratuate the Hon'ble Mr. Robinson on his ,excellent speech. Where Federation is concerned, the
-economic side is a very important one, because with,out a sound economic policy the Federation is bound to fail in the end. Certain remarks that I have been hearing recently have made me begin to feel a little uneasy. Trinidad has suggested that when the Federation is established that colony and Jamaica should become the centres for manufacturing articles out of the raw materials that are produced in the small islands. We happen to be one of the small islands, and if that is going to be the ideas behind Federation I think it might be better if we stood out. We should :only enter if one of the essentials is freedom for Units to manufacture goods wherever they like. If we are going to be told that we cannot manufacture shoes or hats or shirts etc. because we are in the wrong area I think that Federation is bound to be a failure.
I also understand that for revenue purposes it is possible that the same commodity manufactured ini one part of the federated area will bear a different rate of duty from the same commodity manufactured in another part of the area. That again, I cannot agree with. I hope, Sir, that when you go to Londcn you will make absolutely certain that one of the fundamentals of Federation will be industrial free doma. The only difference between this proposed Federation and Federations already established is That these Units, are divided .by water, and oth51 places form one mass of land. Can anyone imagine iJn the U.S.A. Texas being told "you cannot n'anufacture shoes; they must be manufactured in New York ?
To me that is one of the most important things
because one of the only benefits that Barbados will get from Federation will be industrial development and the resulting employment. I think, Sir, that that is a point which you should make, and I go so far as to say that if the other Units do not commit themselves to that we should not enter at all. We all 'know that Jamaica has surrounded herself by tariff walls. How can we have a Federation that is going to be one way tariffs?
When- I voted for Federation I had no idea that We were going to be blocked off by the two big islands. B.G. is not in the proposed Federation, it is true;
.but they grow rice cheaply there. Are they to be told that they cannot sell rice to Jamaica except in a limited quantity so that Jamaica rice can be sold at E2 a bag higher? If that is the kind of Federation that we will have, I do not think it will be worthwhile having at all.
I hope, Sir, that you will not agree to giving away our birthright in these matters.
HON'BLE Mrs. N. G. DAYSH: Sir,-J myself am curious to know who has given the Barbados delegates the power to- sign away-our future. I am sure that there is a satisfactory explanation and I think that the Council is entitled to hear it.
Now Sir, in the course of your long and Ifistinguished career you have many times been called upon to make decisionswhich have greatly affected the revenue of this Island. As the man who has made tile growing of sugar cane a paying proposition in Barbados you now have a great responsibility upon your shoulders. Never in the course of 'your career have you been faced with a more important task than the one which, you now have. to perform, for you are faced with the task of deciding the future not only of one island, but of the three and a quarter million people, the great majority of whom have no idea of what is being done on their behalf and in their name.
This makes your responsibility even greater, for it is only when you return from the conference, having made all these important .decisions, and the impact of those decisions begin to reach.the masses of the people, only then will they begin to realise what you have done for them.
A special responsibility rests upon you, becau.:e you are known and trusted in Barbados as a man whose knowledge of the economy of the whole of the West Indies is unequalled. The Problem of Federation is now largely one of finance, and it is in you that we have placed our hopes :of a sane solution to the problem; for we believe that you -will not allow this Island to be saddled with such a'heavy financial ,burden that our future development and economic progress will be hopelessly crippled.
To me there would-appear to be only two ways' of financing the capital andrecurrent expenditure which will be very high if we agree to the, recoimmnendations in these reports-either-by imposing very heavy taxation on the people of the Island some of whom are already very highly taxed, or by der anding colossal sums annually from the Britisi Government, in which case we will not be independcut, and Federation will become a. farce.
How can we equate what we have with whatwve need? That is tlie problem that we are looking forward to you to solve in some way acceptable to our pockets.
We have been told that Federation is being pressed upon us. I will not .go ineto that now, but coming to the: political side of thlie: question I will tell a story. I was recently in Trinidad and I asked many people what they-thought of Federation. One man, a taxi driver, gave a reply that, I think is indicative of the feeling of the little man on the sub-
ject. H said, "Federation is politics; that is nothing to, do with me." That brings me to the question what will there be in Federatio7n for the small man and for the masses of the people of these islands? how will they benefit, and when? We have been hearing a lot about the economic benefits of Federation to the area, but to some of us it seems clear that all that is being created is a political paradise-. in which only a favoured few will find fame and
fortune while the rest of us pay for it,.
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Sir Hila;ry Blood admits the fear itat the creation of Federal Civil Service posts at salaries nigger than those which now exist in the Units will tend to niake it even more difficult that it is today to keep sicdary scales throughout the area in a reasonable degree of relationship to each other. The Conmisnoner does not offer a solution, but merely says that tile "problem of correlating salaries will have to bc tackled in some form on some occasion" and that "'the longer the delay, the more difficult the problem becomes."
I agree with him, and I hope that in London a solution will be found to this knotty question or salaries.
On the last occasion that we debated Federation 1 was not here. As time has gone on I can see plainly that we cannot go back. Whether right or wrong, whether to a glorious future or to a shameful disaster we can do nothing but go forward. although it ins true that we look upon you, Sir, and the other delegates whom we are sending, to help us not -o start Federation with So heavy a burden that we can never throw it off.
- The birth of this artificially inseminated cthlu
can no longer be delayed. It is true that for nearly
_00 years some West Indians have hoped and prayed f oir this child; but it is also. true that it was only wvnen tte British Government began to take an active part in. the affair that conception took place.
I, like Hon'ble Mr. Robinson, have pledged myself to assist in any way that lies within my modest powers when Federation comes into being. I have pledged not to oppose or obstruct, but to help in any way I can to make it work. Although I nave opposed it in the past, it has my sincere good wishes. i hope, Sir, that when you return from London you will be able to tell us that you have obtained what is the purpose of Federation-the greatest good for the greatest number.
HON'BLEJ., A;.MAHON: Sir,--I would like first of all to congratulate-Hon'ble Mr. Robinson on his excellent speech. I must admit that after what he and other hon'ble members have said, there is no. thing much left to be said except one is going to repeat what has been said already; and I do not want to tire the Council by doing that.
With the decisions that you and other delegates will have to take I feel it is only right that I should devote a few minutes to saying that I support what has been said by other members. I would also like to make the point clear that although I was one of those who voted against the adoption of the London Report, I would like to say that I hope we will be told plainly whether these delegates have plenipotentiary powers~ to go beyond what has been agreed upon and commit us to, the terrific flnaneial burden that I have always anticipated Federation would be. and which the Fiscal Reports make to appear even worse than Thought it would be.
T here is one other~ remark; that I wonld like to make. I was very innib. surpris-,ed at the s,',ech that l~on'ble MVr. Hunte made on this occasion. I do not think it was a year auro that we debate~d i ,, London
Plan, and Hon'ble Mr. Hunte admits today that he was one of those who voted in favour of that Plan. I saw complete change in his attitude today, and i he could have seen then what he has seen between then and now I am sure that he would not have voted ss he did on the last occasion. It loes eem that the hon'ble member has some real misgivings as; to what result Federation is going to have.
However, Rir, I would like to wish yourself and the Hon'ble Premier and the other Delegates and
IAdvisers the best of luck, and I hope that you wilt re aole to represent us to the best of your ability.
HON'BLE F. C. HUTSON: Sir,-As one of those who -voted in favour of the adoption of tiC London Plan I did so with the knowledge and the. information that I had then. Since then we havt had this matter examined by three eminent Coiniussioners, and the new proposals put forward arc totally different froni what we were led to expect at ï¿½c time we debated the London Plan. If Hon'blo ir. Hunte is feeling some doubt about it I have a great sympathy for him because matters have been put forward, especially on the fiscal side, of which j did not have the faintest idea.
When the London Plan was made, it was de. cided that 15 per cent of the customs revenue of each Unit would go to the Federal Government and Bariados' share would be roughly $900,000. Today Sii Sydney Caine tells us tiat 15 per cent would not be sufficient. That, quite frankly, has come as thu greatest shock to me. Hon'ble Mr. Robinson has asked if we should have Federation at any price. My answer to that would be no; because there is a, limit to what we can afford to pay.
As I haxe said, some of these matters have beenchanged very considerably. I will refer to -one or two of them. I do not want to talk too much about tile financial side, because many members ha-e al rcady touched on that . I will however ask this quPestion in connection with the powers which the dele. gates will have: Sir Sidney Caine recommends that wherever the Federal Capital is situated: the Governnent cf that Unit should give up a portion of laui to the capital. If at the London Conference it i decided to put up the capital in Barbados will our delegates have the power to commit the Governinea. to giving up land for the use of the capital? Cal they say "we will give you land"? We also hae our new Government Headquarters, and it is coneivable that if the temporary Federal Capital cani htre those headquarters might"be very useful. Iave. our dclegates-the power to say "we will let you have those headquarters as a temporary measure"?
Sir Sidney in stressing the need for economy, raised a point which'I in my humble way raised on the last occasion, that is the number of members of the Federal Legislature. Sir Sidney gives us a pretty strong hint that we propose to havE, too many people in our Federal Legislature. He points out that each member will cost ;2,000, plus fhe additional cost of the building etc. Mr. Manley sas, s very definitely that there must be iio alteration in the number of people. Sir Sidney Caine takes' the opposite view. The larger the nuniber of members, the bigger the building will have to be.
I notice that the area of land proposed .for thc capital has been reduced from 500 to 50 acres with a possible maximum of 100 acres. I would like to mnention that the headquarters of the United Nations iii New York which carries a staff of about 3,000 and:i ich has three enormous halls, gardens, fountains etc. covers about 18 acres, but we have to have things on a munch bigger scale.
Another thing that has taken me by surprise is, that as far as I can figure out it is anticipated that for the first five years in the life of the Federationthe only services they will take -over are the M tereological Services and the Trade Commissioner. Prr,. ismably we will be having the West Indian Co rt of Appeal abolished. Why it is desired to have such ia large stock of Judges for the Supreme Court is', something that the Hon'ble Actingf Attorney General can perhaps explain.
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I do*not want to be facetious, but one of th%. ser, and it does not follow that a commissioner is comments of the Judicial Commissioner struck mhe as bound to take thee advice of an adviser. inmusing. In paragraph 3 of his introduction he ,ie hon 'bo member asked me if I agree to hav-ays that whatever judges are appointed and what- ing a Chief Justice and six other judges as members e ver their method of appointment they must inow of the Federal Court. My answer to, that is "yes" their job and be impartial. I was under the :-I and the reasons are hese:The West indian Court
pression that that was a sine qua non where a judge of Appeal as it is presently- constituted, is limited is concerned. in its scope; and from the available figures and the
Hon'ble Mr. Pile has referred to the point views expressed by members of that Court it seems
made by Mr. Manley about the removal of officials. ,incapable of dealing with the volume of business from the Federal Executive. I would have thought with Which it now has to deal. that in the early days particularly it would have When one bears in mind that it is anticipated
been better to have on the Executive people who pos- that the Federal Court will also be a Court of Crimsibly know a bit more about Federal Government, final Appeal one must see that it is necessary to protian we do. I am astonished that we should say vide a sufficient number of judges or there will be
ue do not want any. I do not agree with that. delays in the administration of justice.
As regards the point about the reduction of tle It is well known in legal circles and elsewhere reserved powers of the Governor-IGeneral, Mr. Manley v that we in Barbados have no Court of Criminal does not explain what he has in mind. That s Appeal. You cannot by any stretch of the imaginabout all I have to say. Your responsibility, Sir, i ation call the West Indian Court of Appeal a Court ,ery very grave. The good wishes and prayers of of Criminal Appeal because it is only possible to get all of us will go with you. to it from, the Court of Grand Sessions by wajy of a
case stated by the judge. Within the last 25 years
SHORT ADJOURNMENT there has been only one such case, and that occurred
about three years ago.
On the motion of Hon'ble Dr. H. G. Massiah I think that in having no Court of Criminal
seconded by Hon'ble E. S3. -Robinson the council ad- Appeal we are unique in the British CommonjO urned for 15 minutes. wealth. We have been fortunate in having a Chief
Joistice presiding over our Court of Grand Sessions
RESUMPTION who is eminently suited for that post and who is unsurpassed in that sphere; but a person convicted as
On tie Resumption: tie result of misdirection by a udge has no actual
HON'BLE F. E. FIELD: Sir, - I would like iaeans of redress. All that he can do is to petition
to add my quota of congratulations to Hon'ble iMr h, Privy Council for leave to appeal. Many people Robinson on the fine speech that he has made. lie are apt to say that one can appeal to the Privy has posed certain questions and directed them to vari- Council; but Hon'ble Mr. Ward can bear me out ous members of the Council. One of his questions i4 that being able to petition for leave to appeal and Whether the delegates from this Island have pleni- having an absolute right to appeal are as different whtery thepdees fom this bilnd haverpleni- a chalk from cheese. One only has to cite the numpotentiary powers, power to bind the, Government. her of cases in which leave to appeal was refused. Well, Sir, one must bear in mind the origin of Fed- 'hey only entertain matters in which there has been, ration and the stages through which it has passed a substantial miscarriage of justice almost amountup to the London Conference. I understand that the Lug to a denial of justice. Only recently we had in invitation as a result of which our delegates are go- this Island two instances in which local lawyers lug to London was extended to the Government of this thought they would get leave to appeal but to their Island; and the Government of this island as gov- great surprise the Privy Council refused to grant .rnment hfas appointed three delegates to this Con- that leave. ference. Taking all the circumstances into consid- From the point of view of the administration
eration, it is my view that these delegates will have of justice in this, Island, and as a lawyer and one authority and certain plenipotentiary powers to who naturally has interest in such matters, I feel bind this Government. As to whether it would be hat the Federal Court should be in a position to
'necessary to come back to the Legislature, as dis- function efficiently and equitably. If there are not t~inet from the Government, for ratification of what a sufficient number of judges, delays are bound to 'is done at the Conference I have not given any final take place; and if this Court is going: to have, as we thought. hope it will have, full .powers to entertain civil and
I would not say that this question has not been criminal appeals from British Guiana, Trinidad, the a- otaced by other people. My view as that as far as Wiudwards and Leewards, Barbados and Jamaica, the Government of this Island is concerned, and then on the figures that were supplied to the Coin
bearing in mind the particular form of government m'issioner I feel satisfied that the Court will mtve T.hat we have today, these delegates carry with; them sufflecient work to do to keep it very busy. sufficient power to bind this Government on this One also has to remember that the present West
matter of Federation. Indian Court of Appeal travels very exten~sively
Hon 'ble Mr. Robinson submitted some other j hrouohout these islands. One member of the Couneil
questions wuaca are rea1y, not in my province, like has compared the proposed Federal Court with the uder what au~lhority an adviser has; left these shores Supreme Courts of Australia and Canada, and I before the Legislature finally passed the necessary have seen a comparison between it and the Federal i'unds to enable such a journey to be undertaken. Court of the U.S.A. I do not think that those comfhat is a matter with which the Accountant General parisons are fair, because we do not know what are and tlhe Auditor General would be more concerned, the final jurisdictions of the appellate side of the I do not know what is the position and so I cannot Federal Courts of those territories. Speaking subject answer the question raised abolt it. to correction, I believe that the Federal Court of
Now. Sir, I turn to the Pre-federal Commis- the U.S.A. is somewhat limited in 'its jurisdiction.
sioner's Renort with which I am more familiar. 1t is a very difficult Court to get to in any case.
namelv the eoPoort of the Judicial Cbrnmi.ioner. T On the other hand, the Judicial Conmissionerwill remind Ion'be Mr. Robinsony and otfhfr TnPme- rightly points out that the bulk of the work will bers that I was only on the commission as an advi- fall on the appellate side of the Federal Court of
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the West Indies. It is not intended.that there should be any difficulty in getting to that appeiate Court.
It is well known and needs no special urging by ien that one of the strongest points in the BritihConstitution is a high standard of administration of justice. It is because of that high standard that it has survived for a long time. TI'he Commissioner, I believe I am right in saying, envisages a strong and able Court. Hon'ble Mr. Hutson with some derision quoted a paragraph of the report to the effect that a judge must know his job and be impartial. I believe that the Commissioner was trying to express in simple language what we have heard expressed in other language-that justice must not only be done; but must seem o be done.
As regards salaries, there is no doubt in my mind that unless in an atmosphere such as exists in the West Indies you are prepared to pay a proper salary to attract the proper inan we may not get the high standard of justice to which people are entitled before a British Court whether in a criminal or civil case. Tie salary proposed here for the Chief Justice may look big and so may the salaries proposed for the other judges, when compared with salaries paid even in England. But you must not forget that they have built up a tradition in England whereby the best from the Bar go straight to the Bench. They do not go through the normal career channels that we have in the colonies. These men have been willing to sacrifice their practice at the Bar to go on the Bench in England. Sometimes they do it because they cannot continue with the pressure of work, and in other cases because of the dignity which attaches to the office.
I feel, Sir, that the salaries proposed here,, while
they may:appear to be very big, are not big when one takes into account the cost of living and the Income Tax which the holders of the offices will have to pay. Taking all those things into account, I do not think that a man who is paid such a salary will become a rich man after ten years. I. have never found that Judicial or Civil Servants ever retire with big bank accounts. If I continue to live in the West Indies I will die a poor man. That I am resigned to.
The Commissioner recommends that the salaries should be a little higher than those recommended in the S.C.A.C. Report which is about seven years old. If we accept that the cost of living has increased since the S.C.A.C. Report then I think it is fair that the salaries should also be increased.
As far as the other reports are concerned, I am not going to express any personal views that I may hold. One reason, I understand, for having these debates before the departure of the delegates is that there may be an op portunity to hear the views of people who are in a better position to know than $ome of the delegates and advisers, on points which they consider of importance, and on which their ad-vice: and criticism would be useful. I did not come to this meeting to be cross-examined, but rather to Listen, and if I may, to get useful advice; and I am sure that much useful advice has resulted from the debate that has taken place this afternoon. In my humble capacity as adviser I will pass on the advice. Whether it is accepted or rejected by the various
delegates will. lie entirely in their discretion. As an adviser one can only advise. He cannot make anyone accept that advice. A lawyer cannot even compel a client to accept his advice. One hopes to be able to put points of view on constitutional matters which politicians do not always recognise easily or are not familiar with and which may be more within the province of a legal man. One hopes to be able to bring those points to the notice of the delegates so that in reaching decisions tney may give due regard not only to the legal considerations involved, but to the constitutional considerations.
I hope, Sir, that I have dealt satisfactorily with the points which have been raised, and which are within my province. If I have Yailed to deal with any point it is purely a mistake, and I am still willing, if it is drawn to my notice, to deal with it as well as I can.
H1ON'BLE t. N. TURNER: Sir,-I do not propose to speak at any great length, because most of the questions asked. have been directed towards you, Sir, as one of the delegates, or to Hon'ble Mr. Field as one of the advisers. The Ilon'ble Mr. Robinson to whose speech I woWld like to pay a deserved tribute directed one question specifically to me. lie asked whether I was in full agreement with the recommendations of Sir Ililary Blood, and in particular referred to the salary scales for the proposed Federal Adininistrative Officers whieh Sir Hilary recommended should be based on the highest paid within the area, that is to say in Jantaica, and the leave passage and other concessions based on thme best within the area, that is to say in Trinidad.
I would mention that Sir Hilary Blood was appointed Chairman of the Civil Service Preparatory Commission and was the sole Commissioner. He was the only person who signed the report. As his pre'amble letter on Page 7 of his report states, with him were -associated representatives from the other -slands. Of those representatives, Sir, i' was selected to be one.
I do not in fact agree with all parts of the report; but I do not think it was incumbent upon me to set them out in detail. I was not very happy about the proposal that the Colonial Development and Wel,fare Advisers whom it is proposed to, incorporate into' the Federal set-up should be advisers on staff matters to Mhe Public Slervice commission. There were
other points of detail with which I was not necessarily in agreement. No body of people who, are assembled to deal with a topic in a democratic way can be expected to be in agreement on every point.
Now paragraph 12 of the Report makes it clear that much of the report is based on a series of suppositions. Many of those suppositions are, set out in para. 9. Para. 13 shows that-Sir Hilary's report was related to, the type of federation envisaged in the London Plan based on the general structure laid dow in the London Plan. It was not for hin to question the size of the Council of State or of the Federal Legislature or anything like that. He accepted the decisions, of the London Conference in such matters, for example a Council of State of 14 mem-bers.
With regard to the salaries proposed for t&e Judicial and Administrative Servcices based on the highest paid in the Units to similar officers, in para. 78 Sir H~ilary sa:ah "In recommending the salaries for these grades for recruitment purposes I have no alternative other than to tak~e into account the highest salaries paid to s'imilav officers in the Unit Governments, at present in Jamaica."
Tn para. 24 he states that the Federal Government was envisaged by him as an administration ot moderate size but high in quality and with considerable flexibility. Put in other words, the headcnarter's staff of the Federatcion is to be a seleetian
of the best brains that can be got within the area,; and in order to get these best brains quite obviously one mut link the salaries with the best paid in the area. What other alternative is there?
I myself have at certain levels pointed out the effect that this-will have on the units. A, Permanent Secretary in Barbados draws ï¿½1,200 a year, in the Federation this post is proposed to be at ï¿½2,100 A Senior Assistant Secretary will get ï¿½1,700 or will get ï¿½1,200 rising to ï¿½1,400. Hon'ble members can
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envisage for themselves what the repercussions will be as a result of the proposal to base the Fede al ,erviece salaries on the highest paid in the area; so it must be remembered that Sir H-ilary's job was to work out the salaries required for the members -of the Administrative, Judicial and Legal Services; and I repeat, what other alternative can be adopted in order to get the best possible material in the art,a? You could not expect the Federal Government to attrac the best material in the area if the propo :d salaries were linked to the middle or the lo,,est paid within the region.
Hon'ble Mr. Rlobin-on asked why Sir Hilary did not recommend reductions among the Servi 'es of the Units. The reason is very obvious-it was not in his terms of reference. His terms of refercnce were to make recommendations concerning the establishment of the F'ederal Public Services and other matters depending on that. It wa0- not within his terms of reference to deal with Unit problems. If the Units considered that their structures must be reduced in consonance with the Federal structure that will be a matter for the Unit Governments.
With regard to the departure of lion'ble Dr. Cato all that I can say is this: In consultation with the President of this Council I arranged with tLe Clerk of the Council for a meeting today to discuLss the Reply to the Governor's Message and the Resolution to pay the passage expenses of the delegation, the reason being that the Other Place was discussing Federation last week on Thursday, and it is nonial to allow the Other Place to have its say first.
At the first time I had no idea that the Hon'ble Dr. Cato was intending to leave last week. He has in fact gone off. I do not think that any payment bas actually been made by the Government as ragards his passage. In the event of the cost of lthe passage not being forthcoming, from GovernL,"0t funds lion,'ble Dr. Cato realises quite clearly that he will have to, pay out of his own pocket. However, ae decided to go off for private reasons at this early dwie. When I come to the next item I will make it clear that Hon'ble Dr. Cato will not receive subsistence allowance for the period during which he is on his private affairs.
Another point is this: Pre-federal Reports ate Command Papers of Her Majesty's Goverment prepared for consideration at this final conference, and they have in fact been published just over a month before the conference begins. There have been some criticismls outside this Chamber as to why they w re not published earlier. I think that hon'ble mer'b,. rs will agree that due to the printing' of these reports and: their despatch by sea mail, because the cos~ of sending them by airmail in large numbers to the colonies would have been prohibitive, and fixing. a simultaneous date for publication which must be after the date on which they were received by the last colony, it was not possible to publish theut earlier than the beginning of Jattuary.
The Legislatur'e of this Island, to the ,best of mny knowledge, is the only Legislature which has in fact debated these reports. It is .possible that I have
slipped up on some of the smaller islands, but to the best of my knowledge that is so. In my opinion it was right that the Barbados Government should send them down to, the Legislature as early as possible so that members could consider them, and this Chamber could be given the opportunity to express its views on the, reports.
It Would be wrong, I think, to bind the hands of tfih delegates to this conference Voo closely. Wha1t is the object of any conference? No, delegate can go to any conference with his hands ted. If that were
not so there would be no use in having any conference at all. You may as well send a letter saying "these are my views front whihlh i am not prepared to deviate one way or the, other." There must be room for a certain amount of give and take in any conference of this nature.
The Legislatures of tile area, including Barbados, have on occasions in the past expressed agreement in principle with Federation. There comes a time when one cannot go back over every single point that arises at a conference. What procedure this conference will adopt will be a matter for the conference itself. If fundamental variations are raised the conference itself will in a free way decide whether the variation should be accepted or how it should be dealt with. They may decide that there should be a unanimous vote.
If, as is set out in the correspondence of the Secretary of State for the Colonies, it is desired to proceed with the Act of Parliament before the summer recess it is essential that all controversial matters should be settled before that time. Therefore, if controversial matters are to be referred back to the Unit Governments they will have to be dealt with expeditiously.
In this connection I would just mention two points. One is that on the 2nd. of February last year the Secretary of State said he hoped that West Indian Goverrnents would be sending to the LonQ It Conference delegates with plenipotentiary powers, and that he would ask Parliament to pass, the necessary U.K. legislation. That was said before the Trinidad Freedom of Movement Conference. Then the 'Trinidad Freedom of Movement in the course of its deliberations recommended that the British Goverinent should be requested to proceed with the g reatest possible speed to the completion of the parliamentary measures that would enable the Federation to be established. The legislatures of the area including Barbados, did not raise any objection to that recommendation. I think, therefore, at this stage I will give way to our President whom I am sure we all wish well, and hope that he will have a successful visit to London. (Cheers).
IlS HONOUR THE PRESIDENT: It has
been very gratifying to see the manner in which this debate proceeded. 1 feel that hon.ble members have given a good deal of thought to the subject and have expressed their views in no uncertain terms. It is always useful to know what are the views of any Icanber or body that you represent; but it does seem to me that it is no use reiterating the argumnents against something which has been agreed to already, because it does not get you any further.
As regards this subject of federation, we have ,argued it out over and over again. In my view there is a growing feeling in this whole British West Indian area of a national spirit. The people wish to gro up; they do not wish any longer to be governed as a colonial people. They, wish to become a self -governing area. That natural aspiration is there, and you cannot deny it. The man who tries to deny it is swimming against the stream. As one who has the interests of this country at heart, it seems to me that the best thing to do is to recognise that that spirit
is there, and to use your best judgment and influence to see that it comes about as a reality and in the best possible manner.
Again, it is no use sitting back and saying that it will cost so much. We have argued all that. To me Federation is an act of faith. No one who has advocated it has done so in any other spirit but as an act of faith. There was a time in this Island When we had restricted franchise. We reduced the quali ications and we gave greater voting power to the
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people. We then gave complete adult suffrage. One did not argue what it would cost. 'When the Government elects how much it will spend over a particular period it cannot see what-the future will be. When you see a growing feeling and you see it mnarching on and you cannot stop it the best thing to do is to put it on the best path you can and get th_,e best constitution that you can. for that nat,'iral aspiration that is there.
We went to Jamaica and discussed Federation at the Montego Bay Conference. There was thea the S.C.A.C. Eventually the S.C.A.C. Report was discussed by the Legislature. Then there was the London Conference at which the S.C.A.C. Report was gone through with a fine toothed comb. Issues that were not controversial were passed, and then the control. versial issues were threshed out again. No one who was there agreed on everything or we would not get Federation in 100 years. Some people had to give way on points that they felt strongly about. Then the London Plan was formulated.
The London Plan was debated by the various Legislatures in the area and by the Barbados Legislature as well. It is perfectly true that it passed, this Council by a majority of one; but if you argue that is passed only by a small majority voteHON'BLE C. D. L. PILE: I would like to say Sir, that we were not debating the virtues of Federalion. We were discussing the points made in these Fre-federal Reports, and how they affect the issue. Both Hon'ble Mr. Robinson and I made it clear that the Legislature had agreed to the London Plan and that in accordance with parliamentary practice we would not re-open debate on that issue. We are not debating whether Federation is a good or bad thing; but how these reports affect the issue, and particularly how they affect the position of our delegates; whether a delegate, if he did not agree with :something, could say so, and say that he would refer it back to his Government and Legislature. or whether the delegates were going with plenipotentiary powers.
HIS HONOUR THE PRESIDENT: That is the point that I was coining to. We debated the London Plan. That is the only thing before us. In the London Plan when it was debated there was the question of freedom (f movement and the Freedom of Movement Conference was subsequently held in Trinidad. The only thing that is before the'Council is the London Plan.
Now with regard to the question about these Commissioners' Reports, I do not take it that these Reports interfere with, or alter the London Plan. 'We are going to this London Conference to discuss the London Plan, and it would seem to me that if any major change is to be brought about a delegate would have to say: "I represent a (country which agreed to this or that.'' But when the Conference is convened it will lay down its own procedure.
As regards the Commissioners' Reports, the Commissioners expressed their views; but those views are not binding. They do not change anything. The only variation that has been made is as regards the cost which variation is contained in the report of the Fiscal Commissioner; and: t hat has to, be de,e.ded by the Federal Government when it is set up.
In fact, a lot of the other things will have to b:e decided when the Federal Government is established It is not that one has to accept whatever these reports say.
It seem tLo nIe, therefore, that in going to this conference we will have before us the London Plan and the recommendations of the Freedom of Movement Conference. Those are the things we have debated and which the Legislature has pausedd, and if does seem. to me that it would be difficult for, the
Conference to upset any major principles that were accepted by these two conferences. If it did, it would appear that the natural corollary would be. 'to refer tae changes in principle back to the various,
legislatures of the area. On the other land, I do not see why the delegates could not accept any variation that was reasonable. That is the only way in which. I ean see that delegates can go to a conference. It v, ould be difficult at this stage to say what the pro(edure of the conference will be.
With regard to the points raised by Mr. Manley, he has a perfect right as a politician to set out his views and to say what he will try for and what he will not try for; but that does not affect us in any way. The points that he has put forward an, in no xx ay binding on us.
HON'BLE G. D. L. PILE: Suppose that Mr. \l[anley put forward his views at the Conference and t-hat they were accepted by the majority of delegat,-s. His views constitute major alterations. Would you just say: "no;-I cannot agree with your points because they are major alterations and I will have to refer them, back to the country that I repiesent6?"
HIS HONOUR THE PRESIDENT: You cannot send delegates to a conference and tell them before hand exactly what they must do. If you are given the assurance that the delegates are going ith the London Plan and the Freedom of Movement Conference before them it is quite unreasonable to expect the delegates to say before hand' that they will vote for this or that.
HON'BLE G. D. L. PILE: That is not my
idea at all. I wanted you to explain what your position was; how much freedom of action you will have. In other words, if something that you consider a major variation in the London Plan comes up, do you consider yourself perfectly entitled to say: "no; I cannot accept that"'? Can you say: "I will not bind the Government of Barbados to that. 1 will take it back to the Government"? No one wants xo ask you to say whether you will vote for this or ihat. AWe want to know how much freedom of aetio i you have, as a delegate.
IIS HONOUR TfTE PRESIDENT: I am going as, a member of the Barbados Delegation. It would be most unreasonable to ask me to say as an individual precisely what I am going to say or to do on anyv particular point. We are goiaig to London as the Barbados Delegation to bring this issue to a finality. All the legislatures in the area have already x:oted in favour of the London Plan. This is the final conference to put the finishing touches to what has been done already. flow can you ask me as an individual member of the Barbados Delegation to say what I will say on item after item ? All that I can give you is the assurance that what we are going to discuss is the London Plan and Freedom of Movenient, and that these three reports of the Commissoners are not binding. Therefore it is not correct to ask a delegate to tell you before hand what he will say or do.
HON'BLE K. R. HUNTE : If the Hon'ble Acting Attorney General is correct that the delegates have plenipotentiary powers they would have the
right to make alterations. The point is what do you consider minor alterations.
HIS HONOUR THE PRESIDENT: I am going as a Government Delegate; as one of three. We have Before us the London Plan and the Trinidad Conference. We have debated Federation in this Legislature, and like the others in the, area we have voted in favour of it. Naturally if any major change is made to the London Plan I assume that it would have to be referred back to the Legislature; but the difficulty is to say what is or is not a major change. What. I may consider a major change someone else
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may consider a minor one. You cannot ask me to .say at this stage exactly what I will do or say.
As I understood it, I was being asked to say iiow exactly what my stand will be. I can only give hon'ble members the assurance that I love Barbados as much as anyone else. I am one of those who voted for Federation because I believe that it will result in the growth of this area. I have done it with my eyes wide open. I realise that it is a risk; but I have voted for it because I sincerely believe that it is the right thing to do.
I am going to this conference with the attitude that I will think not only of any particular selfish view; but in the interest of the area as a whole. Naturally, as I said just now, what I may consider a najor point someone else may consider to be minor; and it would be difficult for me to commit myself at this stage one way or the other. I can only give you my assurance that I will give my whole and undivided attention to what I consider to be the right thing for this Island, and for the area as a whole. (Cheers).
(CURRENT) No. 59
His Honour the President called the second Order-A Resolution to place the sum of $20,00 at ;the disposal of the Governor-in-Executive Committee to supplement the Estimates, 1955-56, Part I, Current, as shown in the Supplementary Estimate, 1955
-56 No. 59, which forms the Schedule to the Resolution.
HON'BLE R. N. TURNER: Sir,-Hon'ble Mr.
-Robinson used a i apt word to describe this final Federation; Conference when he said it was a momentous one. It is indeed the most momentous conference on constitutional matters in the West Indies that has ever been held. Both Houses of the Legislature of Barbados have now agreed to the composition of the .delegation for this conference. Jamaica, as the Hon'ble Mr. Robinson has :said, is sending three delegates and several advisers. According to the "Trinidad Guardian" Trinidad is sending three delegates and, I think, five or six advisers. The Windward and Leeward Islands are together sending four Delegates with a certain number of advisers.
It is obviously necessary that this Government should be adequately represented and that they should have a good all round team, with advice from the Actimg Attorney General on constitutional mattcrs and from the Financial Secretary on financial considerations, which will be one of the most imporant factors at the Conference. As far as this Resolution is concerned, it is based comm sending six people--three delegates and three advisers. How bong will the conference last ? That will, I suppose, depend on the length of the debate on any particular item; but there are plans for the confere.nce being based on a time limit of about a fortnight. Now assuming that that estimate is a ywhere near correct, it is necessary for the, delegates to get there in advance, aiid if the conference ended exactly- xn t wo weeks--it is due to start on a Tuesday-they will b ave to wait to get a plane back. It is therefore reasonable that three weeks should be set aside as V he length of time that the delegates and advisers are
likely to have to stay in Lo'ndon. It is possible that tihe time may be longer, and less likely, shorter.
When I was in England in 1954 my pocket did not permit me to stay at any expensive hotels in London so I am speakig now frm hearsay; but I ituderstand that costs are prodigious in Central Lon
Thetu, in accordance with the traditions of West Indian hospitality, there will no doubt be a receptions given by the West Indian delegates in return for hospitality accorded to them by Her Majesty's Governm1,ent. I believe that there are plans for a filn premiere in aid of Hurricane Relief aind that, wilt cause added expense. There will in addition be transport expenses for going from hotel to any functions that may be arranged, and it may well be. that the Barbados Delegation aind the other delegations may wish to put on a party on their own account.
A Resolution was therefore sent down for a sum of $17,500, the breakdown of which is in the Addendum to the Resolution. It will be noticed, however, that this Resolution before the Council is for $20,000. In the other place it was said from he floor of the House that the amount of $17,500 was insufficient for the dignity of the occasion, and that it was possible that further expenditure might ie required. After consultation with the other Ministers present, the Premier moved that the sum be increased to $20,000. That Resolution was considered and found to be in order, and was passed by the Other Place.
The Hon'ble Dr. Cato has already left. It is the intention that the Hon'ble Premier and the Financial Secretary should leave within the next three or four days, with the intention of having other talks in London. Passages are expensive and time is important, and they have other business, to discuss with the Secretary of State for the Colonies in London. Subsistence allowance for the period not spent on Federation business will not be met from this vote, but from the ordinary conference vote. Hotel expenses and travelling and incidental expenses will be worked out according to the actual bill presented. If the Bills presented do not come to the amount provided, then the sum that is over will lapse in the Treasury. I move, Sir, that the Council concur in the Resolution.
Hon'ble F. E. Field seconded the motion.
I1O'N'BLE E. S. ROBINSON: Sir,-I rise to0 draw your attention to the procedure that was adopted in the Other Place where this Resolution is concerned. I am wondering if it was not contrary to the iExecutive Committee Act. I would be go-f.',l if the Hon'ble Acting Attorney General would give an opinion on it. As far as I understand it, although we have Ministerial Government the Executive Corpmittee Act has never been amended; and it would seem to me that after the Executive Committee, which is the body charged withb the duty of initiating policy, agreed to the Resolution for $17,500 and Sent it dlown to the Legislature, it would be ,incumbent o; the Minister in charge if it was proposed to inereo, e the vote to refer it back to the Executive for final decision before increasing it. What has taken place in the Other Place does seem to me to create a predent, and once a precedent is created, there is no reason why other matters dealing with finance whieh crop up from time to time will not be handled in the same manner; aiid without the Governor-i.
Executive Committee knowing anything about it th7 will find that they have been already committed. [ wonder if the Hon'ble Acting Attorney who is the Legal Adviser to the Government can express any opinion on it.
I shateld like to point out that half of the money is going to be spent on passages. A s I said in my remarks on the Reply to the Governor's i\Iessage, if the conference had been held in the Wl est bndi -; Barbados would not have been called upon to pay nearly $10,000 to cover the transport of delegates and advisers to London. I do not know if I understand the Hon'ble Chief Secretary correctly, but I think
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-he said that subsistence allowance would be paid out of the conference vote.
HON'BL iR. \. TURNER: What i said was
uhat the Premier anid the Financial Secretary are due to leave within the next few days because, they, have other business to discuss in London. The Federation Conference does not start until the Tuesday of the following week. They will therefore be in London for about ten days before the Conference begins. Any subsistence allowance they draw for the period when they were not dealing witfl, Federation will come out of the Conference vote.
As regards the holding of the conference in the United Kingdom, I admit that there are strong arguments against it, but there, are also strong arguments Im favour. T,he atmosphere in London will be more appropriate for a Conference that may well become contentious. An arcument used was that there would be a vast number of draftsmen, officials and other I.K. people attending the conference; and it. was preferable that a final conference of this nature should be held in the part of the Commonwealth where the necessary Act of Parliament will be formulated in due course.
HON'BLE E. S. ROBINSON: I am sorry that I misunderstood the hon'ble member. I wonder if he could.-give us a breakdown with regard to the daily subsistence allowance allowed to each delegate, and also what is meant by hotel expenses. Natural!v' we do not expect the delegation to go to a hotel ,in the suburbs of London; but I wonder if the hon'ble member can tell us at what hotels they propose to stay, and whether .suites are being provided f'or certain delegates,, while rooms with a bath are provided for some of the advisers. I would also like to know what hospitality is envisaged. Will the Barbadian delegation bave a big reception at the Dorchester or the Ritz? If that is the case I am certain that the Gov-ernmnent will soon be coming down for a supplementary vote. Receptions at big London hotels, especially on an occasion as momentous as this, cost a lot of money.
As I see it, I do not believe that the, conference will last just 14 days. It may be 14 months. Speaking seriously, I am inclined to think that it will go on for at least four weeks. I would like to, remind the Council that the Conference Vote has been increased every year and now amounts to a considerable amount of nioney. In the Estimates of 1953-54 the sun of $10,000 was provided. In the Estimates of 1954-55 it was $12,000. Last year we voted $18,000, andT we have had a supplemental vote of $10,000 so in truth and in fact we have so far during the present financial year voted $28,00. This Resolutionis now for another $'20,000, so that adding tihe t:wo together we arrive at $48,000. I am wondering whether between now and the 31st of M arch we will not be called upon to concur in another sup plenme-tary Resolution on account of conferences.
As I have said, Si",r, I would like a breakdownm kbf the subsistence allowance. As the Hton 'ble Chief Secretary has told us, the delegation will be attending a film .premiere to be held in aid of H~urricane
Relief. Princess Margaret will be there. At functions of this kind the price of seats range from five to ten guineas. Will the three delegates be in the front row and the advisers behind?
TON'BLE R. X. TURNER: I rise with quaking knees. As regards hotel expenses, I understand that the delegation will be at the Charing Cross Hotel. I am- also told that in London accommodation :is very difficult to get in February because of the British Industries Fair; and expenses in London as a result of the recent steady increases in prices!, witwhich the present Government in the U.K. is so
seriously concerned, have gone up considerably within the last few months. Hotel expenses have been. worked out at ï¿½5 per niglit for about 21 nights.
As regards hospitality, I do not know in detail. what hospitality is planned. In 1953 after the delegation reached London a telegram came back saying that the West Indian Delegations were to give a party in thanks for the hospitality received in England. It caused some embarrassment because there was no, money in the vote. On this occasion, therefore, it was thought so certain that the delegation would be called upon to contribute towards a party that at was felt that provision should be inserted in the. vote. What other hospitality is envisaged I cannot say. I have never attended these conferences. No doubt, apart from discussions in the conference room itself there is a tremendous amount of discussion of points of view trying to get one's opponents to one's point of view. Such discussions must be thirsty work and the price of drinks at these hotels in England is not small.
As regards suites and rooms with baths I understand that the Barbados Delegation will have single 1ooms with single baths for the whole period, except during the actual conference wheo it will have a suite for the conducting of business outside the conference chamber.
With respect to conferences themselves, some hon'ble members may remember the remarks that I made in opening the Employers' Conference at Hastings House when I expressed the view that "the number of conferences has increased, is increasing and ought to be diminished." Some hon'ble members are diot aware that this Government more frequently than people think declines to send people to conferences. It is astonishing the number of conferences that are thought up by fertile brains. The aeroplane has proved a menace in that respect. There have been medical conferences in Peru Miami and other attractive places, and naturally, very good reasons are put forward for them. Other Governments send represeitatives nore often than we do. I perso~ually feel that some of these conferences are not worth the time and trouble.
HON'BLE G. D. L. PILE: Sir, - As regards
the point raised by Hon'ble Mr. Robinson about the procedure adopted in increasing the Resolution, I think that he is quite, right. Perhaps the Hon'ble Acting Attorney General can tell us. If the Other Place votes money like that without the Executive Committee being properly consulted about it one does iiot kinow where it will lead to.
HON5'BLE F. E. FIELD:- Sir, - I have to confess that I: do not think I can be of a great deal of assistance to the Council on this matter this asterimoon. I have had cause to give the matter sonic consideration. As Hon 'ble Mr. Robinson has said, I am Legal Adviser to the Government and on this occasion it has been necessary to ascertai u exactly what has: been the procedure in the past with financial matters, and whether that procedure has ever been altered. and whether the establishment of Ministerial Govc rument would alter it in any way. I have ot had the opportunity to go into all the necessary research. Certain debates of the House of (Commons which
should be available to me are not yet available. I would not like to, express any opinion in this Council before expressing it elsewhere.
On the other hand, I do not know if it is strictly within the province of the Council which is merely al concurring body to try to ascertain whether the procedure adopted is consistent with parliamentary procedure under the Executive Committee Act. I am afraid that I cannot.give the advice which normally T would like to eive.
HON'BLE . R. IHTINTE: Sir, - As regards
TIon'ble Robinson's point about subsistence allow-
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-ance, about three years ago it was decided that in respect of conferences of this sort representatives from throughout the area should be given uniform subsistence allowances. I think that the allowances in this Resolution are based more or less on that recommendation. It will be found. I think, that these allowances will be the same throughout the area.
HON'BLE E. S. ROBINSON: I am not worrying over the allowances. I just wanted to know what they were. If anyone will have to worry, Hon'ble Mr. Hunte will when the bill comes in to be paid.
The Resolution was ccnurred in.
SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE (CAPITAL)
His Honour the President called the third
Order-Resolution to place the sum of $94,000 at the disposal of the Governor-in-Executive Committee to supplement the Estimates 1955-56, Part II, Capital, as shown in the Supplementary Estimate 1955-56, No. 55 which forms the Schedule to the Resolution.
HIIN'B.LE R. N. TURNER: Sir,-The Addendum to this Resolution shows that so far the sum of $380,000 has been released to the Public Works Department out of the various funds for Hurricane Relief. A breakdown of the expenditure is attached to the Addendum. This sum has proved insufficient for two branches of work in which the Public Works Department is engaged, those being repairs to government property and the cleaning and painting of :government buildings which, were used as shelters.
It will be noticed that the Addendum says that a further sum of $30,000 is necessary; but Executive Committee felt that the sum of $94,000 should be put up. The total amount which it is proposed to spend on government buildings repairs is therefore $103,185 as shown in the Addendum plus $30,000,
-plus a further $52,000.
Now the greater part of that will come back from insurance. An agreement has been reached by which $187,140.78, less depreciation, less salvage, etc. which apparently form the normal insurance process, will be re-imbursed to the Government. It is therefore estimated that the Government will get back $162,000 from insurance.
It is proposed to spend $12,000 in respect of painting and cleaning the various buildings used as shelters. Some of them are in a pretty bad state of disrepair. Of the buildings to be repaired the one at Seawell Airport is the most obvious. Others include Mr, Beckles' Goodwill League which has virtually to be rebuilt. Certain other items to be repaired entirely include Holy Innocents School, Belmont Sebool and the Customs Official's house at Seawell.
The Public Works Department did not benefit from the last Resolution which came before the Council, and I understand that the Director is running perilously out of funds. That is why I asked the Council to deal with this Resolution today.
I move, sir, that the Council concur in the Resolution.
Hon'ble F. E. Field seconded the motion.
The Resolution was concurred in.
On the motion of Hon'ble R. N. Turner seconded by Hon'ble F. E. Field -the further items on the Order Paper were postponed.
On the motion of Hon'ble R. N. Turner seconded by Hon'ble F. E. Field the Council adjourned until Tuesday, January 31, 1956 at 2 p.m.
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