Interview with Rose Weiss

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Interview with Rose Weiss
Weiss, Rose ( Interviewee )


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I: Well, tell it. Afterall, here we are. Go on. It's just that I

have to adjust the volume on it.

RW: I'll start from the beginning. The Jewish holiday. We had no

synagogue in those days. I had just two Jewish couples, Jewish family

living in my

I: Who was it? Rockachamer?

RW: Rockashomer, yeah. because they want to be just that and as usual we were

along our way and these two Jewish families went to a synagogue, not a synagogue.

A lady on Commerce street. She had an apartment house here. A Miss or Mrs.

somebody. Glendt and she built like they call a thicker like they call a

thicker. A thicker is a hut. You know for old faks holidays, and I'M

under her roof and they could hold services

these two families went. The weather wasn't nice. It was kind of hazy and

ready for rain or something, and these people went^to services.

I: lium, hum.

RW: All of a sudden a wind came up, and it was very, very windy. Didn't nobody

thought anything about

once in awhile. I see these people going back. I open my front door because

it was blowing out and they came back. They couldn't walk. And that's how it


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RW: started. By the bbw and blow over r-, son. Finally, it was a young fellow

who It came from the east. I'm so short. It started bbwing

and blowing. I could see from my house across the Bay. Everything was


I: This was when you were down on first street?

RW: No, no, no. The Royal Apartments, but it went right through my building.

and blew off the top floor of the roof, and through there all that things that

I had at that time. A lovely baby. She gave birth and she came home from

the hospital with her infant baby so I said to the men (They called me General

after that.) "I've got to get busy. It moves my head, you know." ,but look

hurry up! Get me a chair! and the table and get that woman out and take h"

in here the lobby and put her on the table and take this incubator with her

and with the baby on the table. High. And take this and man I say to even,

even the painter at the time. I can't remember his name. There. I heard he

was sick and he was laying on the couch. I said "Go run into the next

host, please. There's a sick man on the couch, and pull him in the men

went there and the women started crying,"No, I don't want to be apart from

bring them into
my husband. I said "Take her, too." And the house.


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RW. We have some very outstanding, lovely Jewish people in this area.

I: HUm, hum, "ell, isn't this area would be nothing without its Jewish

l:That's right.
Community.^ It would be just a little southern town.

RW: That's right. That's right.

I: Yeah.

RW: Some kin here. Some people although they can't everybody can't afford to be

rich you know so they demand some privileges that perhaps they are not entitled

to or but they try and we have to try and understand that as I say all people

are not alike. Some peo-le I don't like either. You like it, but the majority

made the speech. I use to love it in the old days. Then, it was really Miami


I: When did it start to change as far as you're concerned?

RW: It was a hurricane after the big business. Booms and the bust. tSight there

after the war. After the war 's when it started to change. And here

in the olden days we had a beach. It was really a pleasure to go. Here the

beach she closed up, but the hotels and the ocean front and it closed off the

bay front with high rise apartments and it don't look like the old Miami Beach.

It's like a tourist look that it had. The small people. Now it's too crowded


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RW: It's a small island. We can't push anymore in if we had and I here

hear that people want more housing, and it's too bad how it's getting overcrowded

and today and at least, to cope with this problem. I could say and then

administration is not strong enough I should say to cope with this condition.

Their wants and their needs. of the people so we don't know what to do.

I: Yeah.

RW: And that's why we do the best we can. I wish our politics would be a little

nicer than it is. and salary it isn't and that's all. Do you see that

it's something that one person can't think so much what we can do.although we

have men that are is working on it. They may do something, but it's not just

the maternity working on making a better Miami Beach.

I mean I mean
I: It's changed I think, talking to all the old timers like yourself andit started

out to be a kind of small, fairly simple community of homes and then, of course,

RW: they tell me
the hotel kind of took over,.andthe flooring and plumbing was bad, but who

would move? Who knew? Did anybody know that it would grow so fast? Nobody

This is
knew it. Look at the sidewalks. like Chinatown in New York. One of those

walks behind the other. We had no place to work here. so many


I: No, I don't knox

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I: How did it happen and what was it like in the thirties?

As I started saying originally they started

RW:When did you get here?

I: I'm always here ten years. You just have to talk to everybody. That's why

I have to find out from people like you what really happened. In the thirties

after the big B's- the Big Boom and the Big Bust, things were pretty bad.

And I think, wasn't it there that it started to change from just a gentile only

place to being a
to change I said
RW: No, not exactly I think it darted after the war.

That's when I & as far as the weather complaint, you know that the weather

changed an awful lot.


RW: Oh, my yes! When I came here, we only needed a sweater or a wind or a cape

night and day, but now my goodness! Look at the weather we are having?

I: And it changed after the hurricane, after the twenty-six hurricane.

PM: Oh, what I did in the hurricane! We were so afraid of hurricanes.

I: The hurricanes are the Red Cross



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RW: Well, anyway, she wouldn't let them go in.

And the poor man was soaking in water and they got him out. Then, came

We had a big,big ship blown in off the water, the ocean. That's awful.

From the Gulf of Mexico. Eighteen people wound up grounded all right and

we couldn't help them, what do you call Tractors? No, not tractors.

Rather a person took over. About eighteen people.

I: Was that on the Bay side or the Ocean?

RW: They came from the ocean. They started to throw the ropes there to save them.

but they couldn't, and then, there was a whole lot of places that the. people

a man
died on the beach, andwent to a terrible storm so he went to Miami to close

his store to protect it. the store, and it was a lull. You know how..

I: Yeah. So

RW: So when he was in there, he thought the storm was over and defenseless

storm came back with him and

and a little hunch back painter was on the beach working all the time.
with his wife.
He lived on eighty-second street. Eighty-second street was unsafe

I: The jungle?

RW: The jungle. hanging
RW: And he had a little house there, and they found him on the tree.

The wind


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RW: The wind under and the woman she died afterwards anywqy.

These were the only two deaths that we had here.on the beach.

Then, we got the Red Cross down here and I was put in charge right away.

I believe by that time Lorenzo

away with the Red Cross. I was so disappointed with all

of them. I had to get children. I know a family. I use to supply

over twice a week and she had children there.

And I went to them and ask them for it. I put the note down on the desk.

Oh, yes. You know the hotel right here down to the big building is the big

building up now. I forgot the name of the hotel.

Well, ore of the new apartments coming.

I: Yes.

their headquarters
RW: Where down. A big hotel, and they had ^in their hotel, and I came up

there and so help me, here was the man with their feet on their desk

Smoking big, sets of cigars.

I: Yeah.

RW: Luxuries of everything you want tofind out in the grocery line

They send here for the people, but they order what they like, and the cigars, and

was helping,
the cigarettes, and the candies and the women was talking and laughing.


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RW: I said, I left thenote here three days ago, for to deliver

milk and the woman ain't got the milk here for that little baby.

I said, "You've got to make a screen, and I went into my office, the Miami

Beach office and I said, "r1r. Pankus was there. I said, I believe I

John Leeright, Mattican, Mayadan, and lots of names. Rancho, and another

man he use to come and they help from the office. I said I think

I'm interested in the story and what happened. I said, You have to get rid

of this gang, and Mr. Pankans called Washington, and they called Washington

and they sent us down another chair a Mr.Schaffer

It was his thing and they introduced me to him that could

any little thing that they wanted to know. I could tell hem. Schaffer and

I got like this and we worked together. I had milk coming in to

that hellicopter and my son took the royal apartments and I gave all

the milk to the people- to all the people, to old people for their

children. I had that done. I saw the that the colored town was supplied

with blankets and know, everybody forgot colored town. Everybody.

I: You mean, colored town Miami.

RW: Yes, yes. Nobody did anything for them and I was the shopping ground.


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RW: So I sent it to a church I know about. I know the people there. Rather

I cooked for some people. I guess after the war.

And I did with my car back and forth, forth and back, but it was wonderful

to work with that man. We took care of every people little by little and

everything seemed to be all right, and I worked at the city halloa couple

of weeks a couple of times. The second home-City Hall, and I did a marvelous

the first woman
job. I was written off in the United States Rec Hall bulletin.

I had the show and work that I did with the Red Cross here and two years later

that time
was a terrible disaster in the Palm Beach, and Lieutenant at, was major

I don't know whatever they called they had the professor. They call them

now by

I: Schaffer. He went to staff at Palm Beach.

RW: Someday I have a telephone call. "Mrs. Weiss?"


"Mr. Schaffer is in the next room."

I was so glad to here from him.

He said, "Please, please, tell me your name.Please.

I said, Oh, I can't. I a family now. I said, "I can't leave my family."


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RW: And I have the Miami Beach list to d. I can't do it. I wish I could.

So long, I had to turn him down, and because we worked together so good,

there were no mistakes and what made me mad Well, when the

were ready to leave, to get the built in, some building and some men say

the building's tearing apart so many and I know

they didn't do a damn thing and that made me mad and I didn't say a word.

And then, he said to me, "Mrs. Weiss, I can see your slip. I said,

I didn't give you a slip'' He says, "Why?" Yodre calmer than anyone on

this beach. "Oh, yes, I did." but I don't need the money to friends to

take care of my car. My father Yes, I use it

a lot anyway. all year round. money. I can't do those

things. You know, so he never forgot that either. When the war was on,

I was sitting in my place, sitting taking care of the poor people,

part of
nobody wanted to rent, People with children do more. it was the.season
soldiers or Jewish

they said. They don't want no children. They don't want,

people,and I was ashamed, and I was on the committee at the head of the

"hello", and I was ahead for the organ for the people and I had meetings

with the Red Cross and everything else and I was ashamed.


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RW: I opened my whole house I owned this house here.

Rigit here. Two or three houses I had right here, and I turned this over

to some military for the children. Low rent. Just to keep them alive.

I couldn't have felt that they made fun of me. I didn't care. It's a war.

And I want to take place in it. so I did that so then the men from the

gave my report the soldiers that time and heard that

she was there. He says, "Mrs. Weiss, what do I hear? Well, everybody

heard some things here. Said they can't get accommodations. The people

come here. The families and then they go overseas. so I emptied out my

whole and I turned it over to and I left them one and

I gave them seven or eight. Soda Pop. He said, "Are

you going to be home today ?" I aid, "Not all day." I'm home sometimes.

Well, will you please be home some hour today?

I: Yeah.

RW: I didn't know what he meant, and I said all right." and he said, "Have all

your children down with you. I got the picture.

I: Really?

RW: So I said, "What for?" He said, "You'll see. so I took.. I had ten children

in the building. Two went to Three Seven were school children and ten


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RW: were not school children. This one had four children that

It was like a hen. A little baby bout not quite a year I had in my hands

like a baby and the little unmatched the little one for three years here

I felt like a ha! ha! ha!

And he took pictures that went all over the country.

I: Really?

RW: One day, I was sitting and My son my son was sitting and

the two of them were speaking and he said, "What is it? Did you see what

.you have in the paper? Here's your woman who said Took care of all the

soldiers and their children and everything else and it was all over the

country. Women are not afraid of children. Something.

I saw all of that myself, but people can see it. So I did that. I tried

to do everything from A to Z to make it better for the soldiers. I cooked

for them, a few of them here. I believe Mrs. Mallory and I went out and

we got money to for the boys who and the things and the pier to swim and

to buy them bathing suits and towels. We did so much. Not here.

You know what I mean and Mrs. Mallory. I don't know if you ever heard of
the pleasure of
her, but Mrs. Mallory was an outstanding woman I ever had meeting

and she was one of the richest there so none of these


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RW: you know, the melody line? She's one of them. Well, anyway, she and I

use to work together. It was so hot and when Europe had the

with the war, I helped make blankets for the orphans

and England so I never had an idle minute. My nights were, eveibody else

everything else.
and, I'm not bragging about it. That can be proven. Everything, and I say

and after the boom and then, things start to liven up a little bit and

after the Bust and after the hurricane and seems You know, one day

the morning after the hurricane, I wanted to go toCity Hall and What's

doing couldn't walk We walked. Everything was on the ground.

Books andbuilding' everything, and the man therp on the corner had a store.

a Jewish man
and he didn't know no business. and he said to me what's on

Miami Beach, he said. I said, "How do you do?" Before the hurricane, I said,

"How do you do?" How are you doing? I use to speak to people friendly and so

and then the hrricane when they stood out at the door like this.. "I told you

you should give it back to the Indians." That's a Miami Beach for you. "I

told you to give it back to the Indians." I dreamt about Miami Beach the

first time I met him,, and so on and and so forth. He said, "Now you'll go

back to Brooklyn, huh? I said',Mr, I'd rather know that it will be cleaned up

more than ever before." It wouldn't be no satisfaction to say and not. I


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RW: said, "You know, I'm like her mother who has a sixth child.

I: Hum, hum.

RW: She did everything she can to make this sick child better.

I: Hum, hum.

RW: And then, she loves it all the more, and that's what I'm going to do.

If I had one gray stand. I said, "I'm going to stand on it and help fix up

this Miami Bea:h and I'm going to do all I can to make everybody happy.

All right, Your boost. All right. Give it back to the Indians anyway.

He wouldn't
listen to me.

I: What happened to him? Did he go back North or did he..

RW: No, he's living, He left. He left, but he came back. I met him on

Flagler Street. He came back, but he got business in Miami. You know,

I don't know how, when, or where. I didn't see a soul around when I spoke

to this man, I said, "a few days later we were supposed to have a meeting of

the Chamber of Commerce and anyway, we found a place and we had a meeting.

And Mr. Chase

I: Yeah.

RW: Mr. Chase, you allowed those things so happy

I: Just occasionally I don't like to interrupt people so I make a note if


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I: I want to ask you a question later on. I continue.

RW: So when we had the meeting, Mr. Chase, P.K.'s father called me, "Rosey,

we want you to be the speaker at the Chamber of Commerce meeting. I said,

"What? Me? speaker? You got Mason Cooper, you got Mr. Pancreas, you got

I mentioned all the names that use to at the dinners, you know.

I don't care. We want you. I don't want to talk about it that we had a

hurricane. Oh, everybody knew that we had a hurricane.

I: Yes.

RW: He said, "Yes ,about the hurricane. What you said on the corner of

Fifth Street and Collins Avenue to a man and I didn't know how so help me

to the day how, heard it, or what they did. Well, I couldn't get out

of it you know, and I started to build it up and I put in a few other things

It took Carl Fisher's office and he almost peed and other people lovers

so Sarm and I just liking them all, and I opened the door and I looked at those

six sales people you know, so I said, "Oh, excuse me, I said I came into

Fisher's Office. I see I came into a morgue, and they all started to laugh.

I: ha! ha! ha!

the safe is open
RW: And the rest of them said 1 of him and I said, yeah, but

it's looks like some colored boys. So, ha! ha! you don't lie to them.


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RW: I was only joking or fooling with them and my life went all those years

that way. I said, "Cheer up. Now, what do you Now,you go out in

don't really
the street to cunt faces that you think about now. You, realize it.

People If you smile, they'll smile.

I: Hum, hum.

RW: And if you think of them amourse, they're to be sad. I said it isn't the

bank to amend.

I: Hum, hum.

RW: Ah, cheer up. Cheer up! Cheer up, I said. You '11 go around speaking to every

people. You're sad and you'll make other people sad. I said,

I: ha! ha!

RW: Next thing, nothing's happened. He's a jolly good fellow and you'll see

how nice of a fellow, I said to all of them.

I: Listen, there's that I make this note on is how how long,

how many years were you a member of the Chamber of Commerce?

RW: Oh, for very many years really. I can't remember. I got out of this. I'm

through working, but I'm not a member. Well, I'm still working. I mean

I: How long were you a member? Do you remember?

RW: I really don't.


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I: Well, it's not terribly important.

When I stopped.
RW: Well, now wqit a minute, wait a minute., You know when I stopped, I think?

When things got bad for me. Yes, I think that I couldn't afford to even

pay the gas bill.that I had. I kept up. I couldn't

take the car out of the garage. The man wanted to give it to me and I said "no".

I'm going to pay it and then, I'll take it. I wouldn't take the car without


I: Was that '29?

RW: Well, in the real bad. The real

I was attending the commissary. I had trouble with the Lauderdale, the pullman',

the bus. That must have been around the thirties. Around the thirties.

I: Hum, hum.

RW: Around the thirties.

I: Then when you got them. A lot of people went flat broke.

including the bank at that time so you were in good company.


RW: I still get my bulletin, and I'm a very member like I remember in the

early days four years they gave it to me because I brought in a lot of

and a trip to Medina. they gave me because I remember the early days.


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really can't
RW: And I, remember. It must have been Maybe..

I: Well.

RW: I really don't know. when I I went out of business, you see.

I: Hum.

RW: Oh! When I went out of business! That's a year that I should remember.

I went out of business from thirty-four to thirty-five. Thirty-six. Maybe

thirty-seven. This is my last case that I had. It must be to nearly

to forty. Seven-thirty or something like that.

I: Then, you were back in business with these houses until you had

RW: No, no, no. Including these houses.

I: Well,
I: I see.

RW: You see I was in business with.. Mr. Ted Schaf even told me what name to

use. Oh, around the forties. Around there. They theoretically they can't


I: Well, it's not that important. I was just sure that you were one of the

RW: Youkiow, I really feel that I 'm a member all the time, including my brother

I: It won't hurt your family so much identifying everything that goes on here.

that according to what you told me before.

RW: When I grew up,


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I: Suming it all up:
I: Well, you did say some of the things aboutthe It's just that all these

changes didn't necessarily had been for the better then? Too crowed you say

and I was just thinking. What do you think about the future of the beach?

What do you think is going to happen?

RW: Who can see? My deqr? Who can see?

n't see
When you get that age, you can

too far ahead. I really don't know. You can't. I don't say it's bad. For

Some people if they flushing their business. They are doing wonderful business.

here with all these we can't tell they're bad. It's not so bad.

It's not.. I won't say it's that bad, but the people make money here and

they do well and if more business can some, look what they're working now

on more business to come to in all of Florida. You see and that would be

the only thing is that they changed and the old timers can get use to it.

I: You mean, you just remember saying night getting use to it.

RW: That's right. Yes. It use to be like a little country resort. You know, and

so on so people come and swim and such as that was taken away from them.

Everybody's got pools in their places so they don't need the beach maybe

until I never went in the pool in my life.


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I: I'm kind of unsettled because I'm coming near the end of my


I: Well, that was my next question. Do you think that people ideas

of vacations have changed?

RW: Well, they have plenty coming down. I tried to include what I noticed

People during the holidays. During the Jewish holidays. The two Jews

were in so much. It'S ALL come for the winter, but they went

home for the holidays. Now the people from North with children and families

come here for their holidays.

I: Yes.

RW: You see,

I: Hum, hum.


I: Not so much particular holidays although that's quite interesting, but I mean,

"Do you think that people's ideas have the type of thing they want for a good

time? Do you think that that's different than it use to be?

RW: Well, there's certain people. It's better for some people for a good time.

I'll tell you that. We have more entertainment,for instance, for good times

than maybe in New York. It's just unbelievable and the free entertainment


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RW: we give those people here.

I: Hum,hum.

RW: You see, we have wonderful, wonderful recreation part.

I: Yes, I know.

RW: And all the free concerts and oh, we have a lot of entertainment that I think

when I pick up my paper, I think, my God and it's like New York. There's

so much entertainments here and there. Oh, I can't say that. I think it's more

than it use to be. It's really more. Entertainment is much more than it use

to be, and the buildings from our operas now and our beautiful concerts and the

television here in Miami Beach. Oh, it's just that this is outstanding
That this is..

I; The change, and we're not saying whether it's better of worse, but we're talking

about how it changed.

RW: They changed the entertainment. They changed a lot. The put in an awful

lot of money in entertainment, but the other entertainment years ago we use to

have beach parties more swimming, more this, more that, but that was different.

but we didn't have entertainment like we have now.

I: It seems to me. I but then again I didn't listen to it so I have to ask you

what you think. It seems to me that a lot of people came down and most of these


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I: people were city people and that this place sprang from a little place.

that nobody wanted to do the things outdoors anymore. Is that right?

RW: They did. They went to the beach. They came to the beach.

I: I know, but nowadays people stay in side more. You know, instead of going out

to a beach party or outside the beach

RW: Yeah, but they more entertainment indoors. I'll put it that way than they have

outdoors. Years ago outdoors use to be like the St. John's Casino. Every Sunday

they use to have professional tables and casinos and all such things like this.

I: Yeah.

RW: This is strictly it's just inside entertainment, that they have more now. They

sit more, and the some of the people'they

I don't know. There isn't a building right here that they haven't got

card packed
room, All in their apartment-cards They play a lot of cards.

which I never could see, and as you say, they are more inside than outside.

but they have pools. Everyplace has a big pool and they enjoy the pools. They

sit around the pools and every hotel has beautiful pools. They sit around the

pools and they have outside pleasures that way+ but the real entertaining is in

doors and all the hotels. My goodness! They pick up a paper, you go crazy looking

I: I know, I know, I know. I have. I know myself, I like the outdoors.


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use to
RW: Well, I do too. the beach. I never was in a pool in my life. I use

to the night and day. I use to sneak out of the hotel with a few friends

and night swimming.
I: Was It?
I: Do you remember? How deep did you go?

didn't was
RW: Oh, I, go very deep, but I^ swimming. We use to have beautiful moonlight.

Now, we can't even see, until the sun and the moon and everything is taken up.

You see, we use to through a moonlight nightfrom the hotel. We use to swim.

We use to make bonfires. We use to sing. You know, that kind of amusement.

I: Yes.

RW: We use to go to polo. I use to like polo. Oh, The fis Fishers, they gave me

an outfit. That was the only thing that I got freer Is a ticket to polo.

I: ha! ha!

RW: Honestly., that's the only thing that I go free on this beach is a ticket to

polo. He'd see me often and he gave me a season ticket. to polo and I love polo.

and I use to love the but that's in Palm. Later the What do you call it'

The jai alai I use to like that. That's all I like in sports.

That's wo things that I like. I don't like other ball games and all that. I

don't like it.

I: Do you know what I think? I have this very funny little question that I've been


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a lot of
I: asking^the oldtimero and nobody can remember, and that is When did people

really start to wear sunglasses? Do you remember?

RW: Well, there was some sunglasses way back I remember. '.'y in New York, I use

to wear sun glasses. sometimes.

I: I know, but you look at alot of the old pictures

nobody's got any sunglasses. Now, everybody does.

RW: Well, now maybe the sun got Maybe the people how and the older people now

if the sun here is bright and burning all the time, they use sun glasses

and some use it because the actresses made that tyle so you me thought it

was fancy .

I: Well, I know, but I was just wondering if you remember what year because nobody

has any now.

RW: If that was going on If that was really later just later. In the youngsters

where you're apt to show off and they like that how from the actresses,

from the entertainment. All the entertainers that they came here.

I: Oh, one thing that I wanted to ask you about: How about prohibition? It was

wide open over here at that time.

RW: No, it wasn't No, it wasn't! It was on a sneak. It wqs a sneak. They

had a sneaker.


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I:You didn't have to go very far to in order to make to Miami Beach.

did you? publicly?

RW: Well, for the moment, everybody didn't know about it.

RW: Do you know that the women's husband that use to drink a lot, and when he

use to drink, repeat. He use to put in a clostnat



I never fell a drunk in my life. I never. And that was in the Brown Hotel

that happened, I never saw a drunk in my life. I thought it was a sickness.

I thought it was. What do you call it? You shake ll over.

I: Yeah.

RW: So I didn't know so she said to me. I need some liquor. Would you please

go over to the Pine Tree. I knew it was on the Beach. Pine Tree, and tell

them that Mrs. Brown wants a pint of liquor, and I don't want

I: Sorry. I'll turn it up. I thought that you told me that he ran in a tremendous

amount of liquor, but yes A man named Fisher. I don't suppose that he ran

it in for anybody else.

RW: No. When I went into his house and I had a sandwich there, and how the banker


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RW: was there, too, and they had imported beer and he said Rosey, don't worry,

you are allowed to drink that. It comes from

I: Well, I know it was if you know your way around. You could

get liquor here.

RW: Yes. It wasn't open like gambling.

I: Hum.

RW: Sure there was gambling here oh the Beach,

I: Undercover, but when was it the big gambling. It was after the war, wasn't it?
Did they gamble so much in the twenties and thirties?

RW: No, the earlier days. I think I remember was more gambling. George Carter,

"a very nice man. His wife was a lovely ladyand I liked her very much. He had

"a gambling house here and he opened it on the payroll, but it was allh!sh, hush, hush.

I: Fisher himself was as I gather did some gambling and he allow gambling in his..

RW: Oh, no! No! We didn't want gambling because it was very dangerous you see.
to have gambling.

He didn't like gambling. There's some man came down from St. Louis and he said

he'd make somebody have the right to go in and he said he'd take me in for

a partner
and demand that copy sign and he said "No, Iaid

you'll take me in for a partner or

I: Yeah.
RW: We had one shooting since years ago, some yeqrs ago, many years ago.


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RW: I don't recall on that.and I think it was connected with gambling on the


I: What do you think about the new gambling now? I know that they want to make

it legal.

RW: I wouldn't like it really. There are so many poor people that has the urge

for gambling and to be free to go and there's a lot

of poor people that makes just a living for the family and I know that

saloons and gambling in
the back rooms you know, and here I don't know of anything like that, but
it 's no good. No good.

I: There 's a lot of people.

RW: Well, one day I met the mayor of Palm Beach. I met him in Lindus, Massachusetts
with some friends there and^I see the license on
at the railroad station. I was to do some things there

the car Florida. so I went


RW: He said Palm Beach." I said, "I'm a of yours.

Whose car is this?
I said, I said, "Mayor Whi te's".

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RW: Oh, he said