Interview with A. Quinn Jones April 18 1975

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Interview with A. Quinn Jones April 18 1975
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Ifformal conversation with A. Quinn Jones

4-18-75 AL U ABC,
SHome of Mr. Jones which is across the street from the school that is named

after him.

Interviewer: Jim Fouche

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f: Mr. Jones, r.ta MA R a V pkl what does the

"A" stand for in your name? e oes it stand for anything?

A : It stands for Allen.

J: Allen?

A: Allen.

What do your friends call you? Do they call you Allen or do they
call you A. Quinn, = ..-nw

4: = hey usually call me A. Quinn. You don't use the word Allen. Few people

know that what the A. stands for.

f/: 3 Could you give us some of the details of your birth in terms of when

you were born exactly and where and whatever?

J 9: 2I was born in C S County, Quin Florida.

1 J: -In Quinc',Florida.

CA: Yes.

~: AZS at was the.idate of your birth?

J P: March h

,r J: And the year? --..

A: It it.... 93. 93.

J: -Eighteen ahdnzrAed-anld int y-tthreet- /

A: 93. g

r': That's a good year. N(ezMh ag h-Shegetgw-

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were Ii^Mi S three brothers/ ,And h,... I had, sisters.

In other words/ there was seven &i*MAe in the family.

,,A: --Uh ,.-: ee -rr,,..'-'. ne There was three. boys .and four girls.

f /: ems~a I .Do you recall the boys, names?

r :I

'That's a long yearI isn't it?

Yeah. .JiiiiS

i agbmpl I was talking to Mrs. Bowtell yesterday and she was born imm on

December ZlO a 1883. So she's years your senior-at this time. gi

WuZd you could you tell us something about your family ia in Quincy?

What did your father do and what was your family situation at that time?

Dt~r fy father was a S gardner. < truck gardner.

He had a plot of land ,r .,

S.....4j. Yes had a plot of Zand. ,,e amoubmel.

i-- f l _4QiQ4 Z '+T.-r raise,'vegetables such as, that on the plot of land,

but he worked out that garden r for other people.

figu 3m worked for other people and he also had his own.

Yes. Garden yes.

He he sold these crops *eEs to the community?

7S / #e didn't do os selling. didn't raise any veg-

etables/ things of that kind to seZ ll qO .more or less 6,r-W .o K .-

a4 *hS. l family usAge

itidiar dAs ~our mother was a homemaker?

Mother was a homemaker es.

Hoa many brothers and sisters?
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/': S Simon Peter ,Jon es the oqdept boy' I was the next/A. Quinn Jones;

ler n) Those were the three boys.
/ f W. -ii 'ose were the three oldest children? Were there three boys
in a .row or were there girls born in between there?

3-: Bt o0 the older boy Simon Peter.
0I: Was the oldest?
j : That's it Simon Peter Jones, nd was next.
J ^'"7^ ^s toe f77
"M: nfiM-M"- m. And then/ e Jones.
f : Yeah. IA
F/: Ilt ow do you spell Disney's first name?

/j : 4 _iD-I-S-N-E-Y. -Disney.
ft: Ai. Like Walt Disney or whatever. R ,. e Io --'. V-hen the
girls -4 your sisters, names?

,: Sarah J. Jones a0t Rosa Lee. Jones, Hester 7Jones d

I ~ -.*.. "^ ,..

": "- Tu a g~~Wi g hat was your father's name?

-Y /: Ayc f fathers name Joseph T. Jones.
I I: Joseph T. Jones.
Y,1 : Joseph Thomas Jones.
S/: ~%irour mother's name?
'/J: JO Rosa Lee.' ones.
PT/: RP elsr Ir A_! you recall what her maiden name was?
V/: Rosa Mac"Donald.
I t.

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J: DReea M&o DPetblcd.

S/: -Ab Had your .'i ancestors een in Florida for many

generations or had they migrated from another part of the country.?

f/: fm father migrated from $b irginia

$1o ..emaV ", i"if
41 Ana my mother South Carolina.
1f/: Axxwe lllii Did they meet in Florida, -r-c wyw VW I Did

they ever tell you about how they got together?

f A: Must must have met in Florida..

/ 1: mit. So your father owned a plot of land or had a plot of land that he
worked and he also worked for others in order to make a living and support

his family.

f.: That's right) es.
I /: a Do you recall anything about your early childhood in

terms of what your faSily did mostly?~.. Did S the children help around
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the house *m What did you do as a ws young child? Do you recall?

I know that's a long time ago. I don't recall too much of what I did as

a child. F
: Well it'd be roza-wsail usual chores about.-ewhn\,- the house.,

Like the t 4c.j.r -r. 'r .o~ '- more or lessfor keep the yard o)c' Zlike that

p Like tha
9- Girls more less inside t laundrying, cooking such as that. Yes, taking care

of the house.
f f: i S What did you do for entertainment? What did you do to have a

good time as a youngster? -

/: 'Jhs~./ 'm.i hmb I remember that k-we had i ne ors Zi
thai and then the school WS1 that we attended. We had friends and iI.-. W

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*A.~ J _igikJlMwsga ib we visited with one another at home such as that.
/f: ~SUgNA Were there .church activities? -I i. im .

4 ko: am4 ot necessarily so but. ) most of our friends however were members of
our church and boys girls things like that.

SNeighbors ame neighborhood.
S: $641 You were talking about school. When did youn1start to go to school?
Which school was it as best you can recall?
*J: My first 4ams k school was Ocaf4z. a private school and (i my Amp first
teacher was Mrs. ilsEma Wise. AkMC-c A-, e went
to her as a private school before going to the *iwi school.

S: ~Ms s~bihat age did you start to go to that school? Do you recall? rgggP
rf: I don't IMMMllA remember but I imagine I was or)years old.
: iaMwSSl this was a private school in Quincy.

jT1: Private -shAbol.
I/: ~Wt d all your brothers and sisters go to this school also?

: No, not all of them. I remember myself and mys-staer going.
I don't know much about hthe older children.
h: at did your family think about school? They wanted you to get a lot of
education. ." -
: Sa. my -m father very much interested in a good education. 4WS8

/: Had he had any formal education?
A: Mo "gamsh. Not much of a formal education ua#s-Jldss~ during that time. Some
education but not p too much of a formal education.
4/: A of9 would you say he emphasized this among his children hat he wanted them
to get as much schooling as possible?

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: : My father and mother were very very interested in us getting an education.
f: How about the kids? Were they interested in getting it eaO, M
3i'/: Also the kids were interested in education.
4 : SSqi at years did the public ggs& start? Did they start atQo2iq
or what what age did you go from the private school to the public school?
Do you recall?
J: ; --1a ia. I don't recall but probably about "
-".aa" the second- assor third grade. '~5.rtim ...
1/5: So you spent about two or three years in this private school.
_:r/: Yes.
/: S'1 You wyw say you remember the first teacher that you had.
What did she teach off-hand? What did you learn in this private school?
X/: ts been so long I don't hardly remember but O-. I
rememberthey used to cal h tf a chart class and used to use the
blackb'oard ..a-- a a for work.
: Rghi. Did you go all
J /: Not much in the way of textbooks or anything of that kind.
S: / MA:I ft Did you go all year round or did you just go for a couple of
months'ardo you recall that you went all the time to this school?
: No1 .y, /obably ox) months something like that. Xlk
M: '!Buisan. 4iS phen you went about second or third grade-into (O the public
school. Was there a dual school system in Quincy at the time?- That is was
it racially segregated lab..l black and white?
Jf: 9 really e. very segregated.
p/: X o you went to a black public school?
Jf-: A black public school. BfSIM. Public School' umber 1 they call it Quincy,

F~/: 1WfS0. Is that school building still around?

f4: Na. [)f, i gllp)
/: It's long since gone.
3 fP: Yes.
/: Did all of yjour brothers and sister or most of them go to the public school
atsome time?

J /: Most all of them \ went to the public school. fit

j/: ~44 Wd that school start with the first grade or did it start later on?
In other words, could you have gone to the public school for first grade?
4: Yes /ir. first grade. Nothing below first grade1 ot h-ys -hi .

f : Yip eSw ou far did it go? In other words, to what grade did it
f: Srom first to eighth.

r/: e%%d you attend there through the eighth grade?
/: I attended through the eighth grade es.
/ ,/: What do you recall about the school? What did you like about it or what
did you not like about it? Do you have any recollections of your experiences
in the public school there?

f (gYery small school,

--,' ,s3SmtT-j. ... ."'ust a two-roo.m "wood structure. 4

ztc rsrsm--d I remember also that room xaih building was too small and they
rented another building across the street. OA- allows J/all I think they
cat ed i couldnosets -r-r J?

-'he two rooms could not fssSisi if '. >-'-
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(i/: ~'ii Did most of the people in the community S04 ---40"MiaB /oto
the public school?
Jf: That was the only school that....
f/: That was tho only school there available. & bout how many students do
you recaZll7 ou say it was small.
J : iXWI just wouldn't remember.
^/: Say less than a hundred?
-TI": Less than a hundred there. T ,
S/: How many teachers do y2u recall there being.
J : There were only j~sM two teachers .._..~hs when I first
started school. principal and an assistant principal. -.wae~ w-.W-w "
Sman and a woman.
/: Sl m *W-EZjt e woman was the assistant principal?
Jd: Yes, the assistant principal.
f /: jiFhe man was the principal.
r: tah yy the way-. my oldest sister was the assis-
tant principal when I first went, to school.
1 ;: She was already assistant principal in that school?
3j : Yes 4l she was the cani first assistant you call it.
/: dg so How old was she when she was doing that?

as tig What age was she as assistant principal..
5f: I don't know. She was a I,...M, young womey

jr-: Yes1V I W ues oe h
f-: : s Were these other teachers older than that?
A: Other teachers.
(J: Yes.

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.fl: Oh yesft The other teacher was a man teacher~ gfe -
C eitfiel Zg as He --.S attended Florida
A a M but it wasn't Forida A s M/
fiwe-a Florida ,V'-i.- Industrial school I think they called it back then
2 during that time.
: er training....-
f: He was a graduate from that school.
S/: What was the discipline like in that school. in terms of ca-o "..I
0 how did he run the school? .". -. id you get into
trouble in other words? S
44: Really didn't have any discipline problems back there when I ..eas i
was in school. I don't remember any discipline problems. We were just a
big family and hiZdren and
everybody -*, was to get an education. That was there purpose,
to get -.s far as discipline
problems) '--'erBS '-" I don't remember any discipline
problems anywhere. Children were well-behaved and Ui'_.f'
obedientTand things of that kind.
/l: a~SSSK. Oh that's very good. That sounds like a good place to work. Sounds
like a good place to teach. What happened when you left that school? Where
did you go after finishing that school?
"#: ...e,*. r. f 'j-T.i I went through the eighth grade. 4 y
the way, "" -. .> j

Professor.,4j T. McDaniels.a B was a graduate
from;' Florida A & M wasn 't Florida A & M at that time. Florida.'. .i I
Industrial schooQ a he was my teacher- through the seventh
and the eighth grades. t~a w. I always felt somewhat indebted to him
because of the interest that he had *a in the children qy
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4 to continue their education.

t 4W it's more o ess because of him that A I chose to go to,
Florida NormalAIndustrial school after I finished the eighth grade.

f/-: He encouraged...../
3J : The fact about it is he recommended ~ he sent a record and everything
up to 48o. President Nathan B. Young 4 at that time. That's why I
entered, because of himl Florida A & M.
S: Had you made a decision at that time that you wanted to be an educator or
a teacher or did you just want to get more educated?
3/: No SOv2~w0eji I just wanted to go to school. I didn't think nothing about
what I wanted to do or anything of that kind. Ay decisions.
r/: 4ftsAl So at the gilOlt recommendation of Mr. McDaniel's, you went on to
Florida Normad and Industrial.
S/: Yeah, went on to Florida Normal and Industrial Schoolan.qj., wn. g~I I entered

A f" what's 4 called the first year of high school.

S"High schools wthen r w~~~ ere three years instead of four
years. First year, second year, and third year. of high school.
(J: caf~plf Y~a ow old were you when you went up to Florida?

: I about 14 years old.

r/: W s that your first experience maay from home? gso. You had to go
live up there.
_ T/: My first experience for the year before thatofify brother was at Florida
A & M i at the ^i\u, 1, H 'i- ._
\ r-I- 'Tallahassee. Tallahassee is just miles from my home
a nd by the wayW- that was the first ride .wb
that I experienced, /hat is on a train goiato Tallahassee to see my brothers


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So I went there.
Sf: Did your family encourage you to follow up and to follow along with this

education? They wanted you to get more and,more?
: Oh yes. They was very much interested wy i- in

continuing Wag ..sw to go to schools to get an education. '-lTtkr~ k~- Had

it not for their interest why probably I might not ever have complete tib

a college education such as that.

f : That's great. That's wonderful. So your family encouraged you and Mr.

McDaniels encouraged you so you went on over to Florida Normal. Ai hkas

your brother enrolled there at the same time as you?
^ i-
S1: Yes he enrolled a year.../
f^/: He was a year ahead of you?

f /: "~Aead of me, yes.
( : ';4i~a. Did he complete his education there?

r: He completed ^ high school and from the high school *3f a- went

to sS i the fpedical College and studied dentistry.

i : ~4 e became a dentist? .

f A: M wfisyi 04 4years- .- a dentist.
: /: Where did he practice dentistry?

.1 : He practiced in 4 St. Louis Missouri when he finished %~t dentistry. 4i3

f /: Did he stay in St. Louis?

J: He stayed in St. Louis until fIhe was deceased.

S/: iavbm So he set his roots up there and dl you stayed down here. What

about your other brothers and sisters? Did they go on/'beyond high school

to, p the Normal School, ,-

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J7: y[-A, younger brother went to Florida A & M. Graduated
from Florida A & M. A oldest sister, ni e was
the teaching profession. She assi c!o wrk in Atlanta University
at that timr %. h ne of my other two sisters took
the 1 that isa became housekeepers more or less.
f O: Nr Your family must have been very proud of their children to have gone
so far in education and to have been so successful.
1 /: Yes.
: I would think that they *tti ,were quite pleas with that. ~: -o you spent
three years in the high school program in Tallahassee.
: Three years ..T high school and in college. That's seven.g m
consecutive years at Florida A & M.
/: Straight through. Did you go all year round in your schooling, or did you
take off in the summertime and come home?
f: No the schooling time was just monthsh.
-1: Just the eight mon-ths.
(A: Yeah, eight months.
f/: What did you do during the summertime?

: summertime. Sunmer I had a job. By the way before I went to Florida
A & M, j l-" ien I was in public school I had a little
job ----I in6 the summer lime which enabled me to earn just a little
money t, wasn't much lut I remember the first little job if--- I was paid
)cents a day as a water, boy carrying water to lth. persons who
worked in tobacco._-. farms. A.m.i h W.... --- tobacco 4 one of the farms
A A^ f A
right across from where we lived.

*gPdT it would go from my father's house across their t, t

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d s fence f:'vw* and W'rend in the tobacco farm then. So
I carried water thenck s ...te workers jgema5 on the farm. (2 cents
a d a_ a l .,_ .__._ fi--.. ~ dollar and
25 c'nts s uwek. -W tf So that's when I started.a a

'ITearning a# ZittZse
/ : You got some extra money that way.
LT: Yeah.
0: OWs so when you were in the high school department at Florida, did you do
the same kind of work or did you do other kinds of things?

-;30-1 -W -- :7:hat was when I was~ -4-.I L2.
seventh grade/something like that. dL nypay for about three years I
worked in the summertime after I finished the public school. Had a little
job. i ", I saved enough money I saved(4}
dollars., .
: 4Y od.
SA: ,,ihch was enough money to pay my tuition at Florida A & M when I went to
r /: That's marvelous.
S/1': dollarsr. That was dollars a month. '4nI had pM_ .... _= =--
years money when I went there see? My mother and father, one thing about them
% they encouraged me tao..-, s giiP to wuro.ner's You cave your
money) 4 so when you get ready to go to schooZ dres you 1 be able
to buy suit riS things of that kind, supplies and all that.
-R.B. A. I saved my money so I had enough money when I went first
went to Florida A & M in the first year to pay my full year' ~r' .
64) do lars

[; /: That's marvelous.

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m-4e: ......... ....... Now that was the year my brother was upo

'f ef.. was aquainted and knew the situation and
everything up therAm ie had a job and aZl like that

So T certainly #f PdP got a job as a custodian. By the way ih I
was a custodian in the sewinaroom. .

Jijtfdeyp -^2 ome A* sewir my bows. ____j-- f
d ASo I had that job for several tr .0r

<9a ^eff year^- r
S: While you were in the high schooll department? WS'aaiv' .

/q RsWC Yes I was in high school then.

7FS0 So I had that. JPi at pay paid my salary. 9bkstalsm Z last year in
High schooZl up there I had a job 5 in the dining
Shall. I -, ....was-im... a head waiter m for the teachers.

They had a teacher's table ( Ureg wmM and the students just ate around the /
\,dining, room.

t So I worked around the dining room. I was the head waiter for the teachers

inparticular and did other work ~ around the dining room.

feV: So you were able......
.T ., nilT .......w.i inR 6 1. -rL- I got a considerable amount of money

U*e iw, for that. That is I4# help for that /elf help.
S.: So you were able to.....
.: Sm~'umi u-.I worked at a dining room for^, -atrI five years. S or

)of those years. I was given my full b <-c. for t

the work that I di t
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___ g_ l*, O'. So I didn't have to look out for anything except my,,
personal expenses such as books and other materials and clothinqa

J: That's great. So that.....

A: For three years at Florida A & M.

J: Right.

A: ..At the time.

J: This was during our.
v-. ---- ----- 'r-''-"-'-^.--- -*^
s-T"h j i m.dW-. By the way I6N st be indebted to Mr. Nat B. Young

who 4 the president of Floidq A & M. at that time. Ev~ years
why, he looked out for me so to speak.

Awar lw 4e give me that jobJ fIIfor at least about or"years I had
that job.

I/: Did you go back and forth very often from your home in Quincy to. Tallwahassee
during the school year or did you just stay in Tallahassee?

Ti: Well no that's just for the term jMa /or eight months.

S:. 1 A .s' en you went back home for the summer?

Jf : Yeah. When I went back home for the summer why I had a job waiting for me

and tl earned my y money and such as that to take care of all my
personal expenses such as clothing and things of that kind enough to

buy books and things of that kinds see.
S/: So you could save up in the summer and have that when you go back. What did

you think about Tallahassee when you were there? -AWg a big city compare to
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j f: No a- much larger than Quincy. .-Theronly- difference probably '.

*,CA the college and the -.. kI* capital buildings that about the

only thing from the size. I diate-think it/ aw oIm / wasn'tt too much

larger thd&.
.* What e year did you go up to Florida Normal and Industrial? Which

year when you began your education up there?
Slf:^p I began in i e- I "I n rgd "i g.

f /: Ni D~f .en d wd- uL' ight rd ou went for seven years- consecutive1

44 : Finished in
i I: i/hat were your high school years like? What do you recall about

them? What subjects did you study $~mostly?

c jd," -i. ....l6 .^i ii_'* *~t ~i re or less the
high school cArriculum composed of .English i ath i.... -

and then the foreign language were the classical language Lati

to oo
c-MWi--- -"

Engzish;Apositiof, *
/-: Which subject did you like the best? Was there a favorite? Was there a

subject that you fefer ?

f: W I was interested ini mathematics and science. I always iS"

D:A id you take a major course in that when you went into the college?

SM: Va'T hen I went through

four years of college i the emphasis on math and aawsST9
qVOt science.


'i g -. bachelors science f rsS..&" .d0Sgree where the major
g work is math and science.

S$ the w ay/.b
*i-dm' 'I had in mind to-i- '-lr w
take up medicine. Study medicine i aWneam.M. ._... that was my desire after
having completed work at Florida A &,.M.

But my mother and father wouldn't have enough money to send me away to
a medical school ,that kind. :So I just teaching. So
4iiW when I finished Florida A & M -PW .. "
in the county ofQuincy where I was born. --y

: : So you really didn't start out in S your college planning to be a teacher

at all.

: No I wasn't my plan to be a teacher.
C /: Alim Were there dances or occasions where you'd get together? SS
I'm assuming that it wasn't all study and books and teaching. Did you do
other things while gou were enrolled there? e I can tell you were a
serious student but you must have done something else there occasionally.
ft /: wag ie--:af..=es<6<^ w .- .nce a month r issidi hy
Students were w-as a o to have what's called a social afternoon
or evening together of that kind.

J P *Mpr~.... ~ hey had t football Btmotg"B" games that we---
enjoyed. Baseball such as that. SiEl. e. didn't have that type

of social life that we have now. ........ 3i. ,, i. met
each other more or less in the dining halls daily. That was a social experience

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48 for us.

J We didn't have the self-servica, ... ePyiasa* type of service that we get

today up there. Dining hall was like a home, f es nd all. Sat around
at these tables, ea and enjoy, ourselves while we're eating.

r/: rl9gg So dining was a social kind of experience.
17: Social experience.
f : Was the college coeducational?

f; Yes it's coeducational.
/: Was it mostly males/mamiiims in school or was it about do you recall?

J: About ) .
J: About 50-50.
A: About 50-50, .4~ less.

f /: Most of the women were involved in the preparing to become teachers? -iffiigltwt.

: .A iM....i. ... .1... lp ......a -- I would say probably most
were involved in teachingyes.
f/: Na9BaBdac EA ere many of the men involved in going into
teaching or were they more in the science or the science group? wa / -hat
was the predominating activity? igaW.. maie.aSP =J9 as there one?
Did they do different things?
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agriculture -and lansai mechanics. Not any great variety of areas
at the time.

(f ; You remained a single man while you were at Florida,,.f Normal? -.i-rm i'_ em- a-aE You did not get married while you were in school?

J/: No ,M. I was single man. I couldn't get married until after I

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4_ 4Ilggag finished Florida A & M.
pf: rf l$ f, So then you moved into the~county into the county school around

Quincy? M ;s that where you started your teaching career.
: I started^ es 'ed my teaching career in (xS County out from Quincy.

Little school out there called the Sawdust MWchool. AW e
4nse was just two months in the summertime, July and August. a I started
my teaching career right after I finished Florida.A & M Z915 out at that
little school. I was S the teacher. jri graAdes from one

on ttlHebo on up to about the seventh grade n a little church

building. ~iobably about- 2 ~aomas iin the class ranging
all the way to the first on up to the seventh grade. So that was my first
r~: MeaaB Was it a one room .nP?

0/: Just a little church ~ alosir building it was. Little church building. There
were no desks anything of that kind but the regular wooden ~ Mw church
seat $MARIae

/'j: i. A ow did you %Menjoy that experience?

S/: I enjoyed it very much. My first experience as a teacher sutediibS *
with those little fellas out in the rural areas S about' mi es from
Quincy. I enjoyed being out there. I was IM even though I lived -ada
,Usl out there- oa:the farm. They had their horses and things

of that kind. qe"khere -'I lived I would ride the horses along with

gaggcU-- o~"~.Cr S parents to school like that. So I enjoyed
S- that summer out there.

F /: You were out there for one summer only?
< ': I was there for ..-,-, twoo summers.
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second assignment was at ? riannaFlorida. As for the winter
times Il
tf i: wivfHow long was the winter term?

Sust four months.

MSON ZJoo months at summer, four months at ,i M t the M9rianna School.
F /: qw S Is MPrianna in the same county?
4," dac:sonnCownty~ -.- ari .~. Jackson County, Florida.
f /: Were you paid by the county?
Paid by the county) /es.
:' /: Do you recall what kind of pay you were getting at the time.

ek: etsay that my first school i AmnW~ Quincy that summer school
paid me(2dollars a month. ~(j) dollars* for two months that's
doZ ars., R....... --" ... ~I~H en I went 6S0.
to Mprianna Jackson County school salary ( dollars.

/: My (d.
S/: dolZars a month for four months. There were two assistant that
I had helping me.
f: So you were the head teacher? 4M rou were the first teacher?

f I: I was the principal head teacher. Principal they called it at the school.

-a farmo whr --F-ws.-a-...e
/: How'd that compare with the isO-i 4040M salaries of the other.:'-
people around you? Was that pretty good money at the time?. Of course this
was i .f about 1916?

: -. Yes, 1916&- iana g yayyh I was out ,te.:

ta ?Gl^B ^?q5^ at'Morianna uf Fathe first year. 4WB*v
h\ r

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The second year I went back INMl MM
to Sawdust schooll for the summer. 2j then I had an opportunity jam

*w9 ePens cotla-r-r for the winter.

7 So I was appointed the principal of (4 they call it choolt umber 44 -1
Pens'cola, Florida.

f /: M Was it a larger school than this school in M*rianna?
S4: Oh yes. Much larger ISi school.

S/: What was the size of the school in Mirianna? How big was the school in

fh: ~ E here dEc. three teachers.
=^ A
jF /: Three teachers and about how many students?
: tout 60 students, something like that.
P/: S Ed they go to school five days a week?
Ti/: Yeah five days a week they go to school? go*.

rf : For the four winter months.

S/: Yeah. For four months. 0dah ---

Qm"-- .asr- ----- --- ~ I
i Achool months was 20 days in that time.
f': l he aodust school wasQdays a week also?

4: Five days a week.
f/: Which community was that Saudust schooll located in? What was the name of

the area again? ,

A: They called it A Sawdust school/ out from Quincy ral.o
ar.. .. .. ..County.
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a 5. T. Tom m LIIDU.Ia+L ,

/: S Was it north of q, in._y? P here was it in Quincy?

1 /: It was J -i on- r- southwest from Quincy.

": -m:lljp. hen you went over to M/rianna for the winter
session and finally to Penslcola. What was Pensfcola like during this time?
This was what, 1917?

Wf: W hat was PensfcoZa like? gua e Did you like Penslcola,
the area, Wat did you think about PensloZa at the time?
A: Ig?. .. i .. i .. ,a1 I was very interested
in Penslcola because very interesting place 4 certainly a much larger
place than even Ta lahasseea Because at that time
Pensootwa was u ta .. about the third in size ..1tw'. t,. -

f~"i.w.g.. urI'--st the cities~--ii in ~ Florida.

i Jacksonvitlle number one in size/

.4nd Tampa perhaps s second. a Pens/cola gil ift- about the third
f : So it was a large city.

Y e: Ye T- city. k=
'i: kt" The students that you had in Pens/cola, were they mostly from the rural
areas or were they from the city?-
J : Fc Penscola at that time, si t there were about SRO &r..

Schools. I was at the chool 4 hen there were one or two other schools.


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T0 7 hen there was a high school l
SiBp High school 44 Ai was in the northeastern section of the.

O*Who town. So I was principal of that school/ NO .N. .

-- and I had a
three other teacher1_,< "

S'!They had ; nice little wood structure, e -teu7w a, .. county-ownedO

S9: It was a county-owned structure

: County-owned structure.

S/: How many rooms did it have?
/: R -.-SeS3ESZ ^ oro rooms.

.: w .I w Was there any kind of organization or association of
teachers that you would get together with the other teachers and talk or

share ideas, a Vere there any communication with other teachers in the area-
Sor even in the state? 1.

= YUou Some kind of organization ? similar to the one we've got
here where teachers could get together and communicate ideas? A..l...seeMI

: We had the Florida State Teachers Association. F~*

wax 'S .t" E ,.M I Mw'tsfaote became a member
of thatAf. body when I first started to teach. -I .'s
1S I attended the first session Y. ., of the Florida State Association which

S~'iheld at Tallahassee, Florida the ';..-. fall after I began teaching. Back

in December the meetings were held during r the Christmas -3.

C~:.-r-smas' vacation. (itwB *,wwra' er i ~S.drSdw d fit

ff: -VVl ", Had that organization been going on very long before thatiffy

'rt: .' 'knowhi se t had been going on for quite a number of times organized

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40 such and before that. $h.

.' | Was there any kind of interracial activity among teachers?
MSB -* p, as the black system completely separated from the white system?

Did you have any o opportunity one way or :the -other to deal with white

educators in the state?

"F ...f. experience in teaching extended

over a period of .jyears- and a naturally there is a thaermacg
gradual change in ..m"u.... -`the school situation over fv1ifA

wperio'in rga mi aBSahen I began teachings
= e d C I cr
pkw .. maw it was completely what tr'P.t:/ call i~ase-rate but equal.

It wasn't equal so far as the public schools go. SOBW"nqbss^a9U It

was separate. We .didn't have any .p meeting together as far as white

teachers and black teachers anything of that kind. When I began teaching,
reno.w it was completely separate. Of course over the years why ~C Aeg

Ul l a change began to take place. Was more contact between blacks
and whites and all that.

%3 PRather a sort of a- fair method.
u/: But in this early period, 19179i when you started there were

no contacts at all?
J /: There wap 't that much in the way of contact.

S/: H There were no problems but there just was nor chance of meeting
skE-r-iHr-L at all. You just worked sep rate teiyagei

f/: There waslCs separate meetings.
f: How long did you remain in Pens cola? /

fP : f ixp.w years. dw3. I was in Pensacola from rz 'J jia -:
,.__|.|.|| ________________ I.* icii f--4-P
j c';r^Y^''!;.c>>.

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''? j' 6w'h..aoTR 19 htueod 1Z5 when, I first pledged Florida
A & M, July, August, and September I taught in a one-teacher school geisan.
County School rst through eighth grade at a salary of 66 n 1916
in October, November, December, and January I was principal teacher of the
Merianna school., Z0e e 9 grades one to ten. and I received a
salary ofAlOO -t0 My second year of experience gl96, July and August,
again at the Sawgust lchoo Jackson County) _
*ianath one-teacher school, grade one through eight, 44 l@n In 1917
1 fMFwinter term, September, October, November, December, January, February)
principal of School 44 in Pens cola, Florida --, County. Five
teachers, Irades one to four- at a salary of s i.
i--n .A-.. m third year of teaching, _
ISF k' Z.. .191l7. in the summer, July and August and September,
I taught at a school in ,, ,,,41 0 z-Y -10P
SFlorida 11M Liberty County)

A: Xtza four-teacher school ades one to nine And a salary of 7.5, .*1?G ape.a.
a0 the winter of that term 19L_ l7,-l8, October, November, December,
January, February-. principal J' teacher of the school at Pensacola,
Florida, School 44. Five teachers, one to four, .- .....
e44Afw That was my e~.eme year. l... y fourth year... 1918 and 1919,
October, November, December, January, February, March, April, and Mcayj, )
principal jag_ teacher of the dP.- of the high school qiat Pensacola, Florida
'. County. There were nine teachers/ /nd 0 grades five to twelve
And ade e the salary was around 680 .. A jing on to my


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4 fifth year of teaching, 19l9-1920 I was at the high school in Pensacola

Floridaq am principalipal of the school, same number of teachers, and the

same salary.

f /: Did the high school have a name or was it just Pensacola High School?

fA: r a rft' > ...i Pens ola High School #3. --

J: #3.

A: #3 then.

4: &MW 0, M XUfsAN*M sixth year of teaching,1920 and 1921. October., Novembe:


December, January, February, March' Aril, om- m Sl May, 511Mxii 9
7 L' /4-1
I was assistant principal r:-L for ISWrsa. e name changed
to Washington High School #3. ~im. They changed it to the Washington High

School, c.,. -o County and the same number of teacherfive to twelve.
he saay720 s --.--- -w hen they changed

the name of the school ij "-i-.1- they also increased -uwiM the salary.-.

of the teachers and principalZ& .5M wtr.ea. The salary jumped from AiS
teer _s..-- -NMI .... -

Q4 -" "to I.

a month. a- i -^H-...- I don't know if the superintendent or somebody

thought probably that iaw that 4a to, much money Ih for me u to gets

O, They wanted to get another more mature person I suppose to become principal

of the school. So they went around and looked around here and there to

fry and find another person nal y rM ia.K*a y found someone and they

gave them the rise mn and raised mine from i i

to 0 vp~q9 a _d... ..i .i. Sa ql .I was principal and

made me assistant principal and brought another person in and made him principal
of the high school.

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(A. Quinn Jones and Jim Fouche

C-f IMSa ndM 1 *111i lj imriiini 11 o ^c riiiir i rrn :

f /: **m4p n -- W old were you when they said you were too young, or thought

you were too young?

5Tj: S I was ti a kid. I say a.kid but itwas


there. .

v ,u..S '.- I remained there as assistant principal _-.i

*regm I left Penscola and cnae to Gai ille.

f/: Why did you come to Gainesville?

_A -_.T r .mmminefltay U.zf

Sthei the first place I was Z.oo:i

for an opportw zt '&y for improvement.

_T.eatiy..-t-., A better position would say. i IiM -rei T was offered ase
principalship -"e d Uni Academy.

they called it at that time e old building.

.. Nh rhey were looking for someone. President Young z,

the President of Florida A & M, why he 1 recommended ilfk n me to the officials

here and so I came here. ylL the way, President .-t-MiA l Young recommended

me atll along the ,., p went to Pensocola, M nrianna, they c=zsd open.

,,ap. .a....&P.m...),a / ndcommend o e d WeI=ed mI I
.vansiww^'.va4g gL W ehey needed someone down here so he recommended me to de therr-)
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A-' .--" -- ., I accepted offer, to come here

to Gainesville /o the academy. That's why I came here.

i: It was called Union Academy?
(: They called it Union Academy for two years. Old wood building it was s,.yeah.

/: O Was it a county school?
: It was run by the cc:.-t .c'n4 By the way there's a lot of history back there.

The Union Academy was 2,Kw-,sorganized in yarBm by

the Freedmji Bureau. i...-- '

^St AfterI 1885 it d came under control of the Alachua County Board
7 of Public Instruction. MMir q";" ~"is..a:.. ad

ade-a;4eeo~fz.r.-- .'.aeF~F^ ^Lm.. 4 om 1866 to 1885 5. operated w-'ir ',

under the FreedmnjiBureau/ /nd came under theAlachziCounty School Board in 1885.

...M...'-_ i--I _. | .lllill Of course there any number of schools "-4-

laWl. asy-- .. in the country that were- iIMMm organized under the Freedmtn's

Bureau. TW61 LL there 's a long history svar

,t acak of all that.
c -: This was out of Washington D. C.? That is the Freedmas Bureau operated out of

A: I don't recall now but uh....

J: But it was operated under the control of the Freedmans Bureau until.....

A: Freedmans Bureau, yes.

J: Until 1885.

A: Yes.

J: And then it was taken over by the Alachua County School System.
A: Alachua County School.
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j1 9: Atixho You came here in ?iq-i.2-,s 'P M i.o. kA{-^ .^s- '
y ^: I came here in ioii h L s ;O. O /

9 principalsl of....
f : As principal cad asPat what salary did you come into? 4S

: Sa a2y was .. -.... a month.

VW^^^^^Sthe waynniirimr "-mi^" '1""

*W' w any the way 'l 40ll0010"1'iiil- 1 that brings on something else aiiseSs

S......L.. ,o-_. 4, e .T& he school
operated eight months but 0 the last two months A.m.y :a-t.T. e t a.he' teachers
,4 the community ai parents and atll AgI~ a had to go on campaign to raise
money to extend the school time for two months so that we might have eight months.
That was U w, -e ..11111. when I first came to Gainesville. So we did
operate eight months.
,: When you came here were you still singleZ 'It ad you met your wife thentsssgs

Jl: I I was just married when I came here. aSm.m, n fact I came here
with 4rQasess wife and I had two children I was ai c'."
r1/: Where did you meet your wife?

f: i I met my wife in Pensicola.
f o: A IiWhat is her maiden name?
f: i.f t 1E Fly wife wammiiss one of my teachers at school
-,j 4
Number 44 that I ,A told y, about. She was one of my teachers/ Primary grades
there at school 44.
/: r What was her maiden name?


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:J P/rr: Her nca n
J i: Her name P'' t iT.t fiw .- T') ^^(7 t

: Can you tell us .a little hit about your courtship? 91a.. hy sn_

you became interested in Miss Smith.

S4: Why~l'became interested in her?

f: You don't have to. You don't have to say what you don't want to but I'm interested

and I think it's important. cg~Eertr _

J: WeZZ. I .- W don't know whylW i I became interested in he %a vtWi

One thing I was interested in her because she was a e**

Simftwme ideal teacher, one of my best teachers on the staff at that tim

'ar' SSiai "" '." _and she was interested in music. r.
rT dI~Q_

_______ -- -i. LI.
uau~rn 7-wCtflOXI~ -

2,:l talentea dnuyer we a;a r
^ < !speech and O.such~rrs S things of that kind.

A.: '-.'e.h. .' interested.

< :: '9:~What year did you get married? I'm ab.., .d-eftJlr'i t dd. gept dW

u: ",t m I q 1
I "~~a~dhn~n-n~- J~~? A

Did she remain teaching/ la re e or did she stop teaching when you

got married?

No, she remained teaching.

.M*i=ma 9 hen you had two children?

Ye ah ,es. .~.~_-'w-a~. riPa ~J. .... family status, why i'

just had to drop out1 I mean ip'wei-i---j E she did come
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/ back into teaching after that.

/: She did?

: Yes.

/: w. Did she teach ata& the Union choora*l nt

1": Yes she taught after we moved down h er ftL.> a" i i

at, ,'on Academy that's wo-y ears.... to yea thereand aftsr that :y y.... he.
Se.... eetO ye s at te. .~ at the Unio Academy and after two years they built

this school in w. TeeeyOne~-and6-twe y--teo we

\ ~faioe d adelmy. Ni" ot'e hzdadt y e moved-out here.... to this

school. J4, t- LA'

W; i What SfIWiMhillr z size was Union Academy? How large a school? How

many teachers-were there at Union Academy?

3: There must have been about elevery di~a teachers$ A~Wsehii

j/: edi,0ihat grades did it go Oli~ge to?

f: m Supposed to go one to ten. waaat was one to nine when I came.

: m ~ 's iE' 'You came to
Alachua county to become principal of the Union Academy in---- '--i--- -

mAAg~lim and you, had yourwife with you and f~l two children. What

are thue' children's names? arn,-.- ... -- -.v.wr

J 1: AESSmwP A. QuinnJr.

A: A n ZOliver.)

If; 4* ~ re these your only children or did you have more when you were here?

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S: No -those were only children.

S: S ou were at Union Acadery and then

in d*--

j +: No, the name changed in gw w ww...L

school The named 'changed to 01S Li

J : To Lincoln High Schoo

A: Yes.

you moved over to the new facility here

AP Was this called Union Academy also.~

when they moved this .#?Ms

nco"ln High School.
ncoln High School.

,*o&%*tc ou held the classes back until it became a high school and was the_

first black high school in Alachua county.

J : That's right, yes.

i: How many teachers did you have at M-WCl t Lincoln High School when it


,Jl: A~0091 J aSS IS Tii i- j ere was one for each gradia--- aa .m..s-ig "

(iymppiH~-. About twelveA fourteen teachers. That's a rough estimate.

J: Right, right.

A: Twelve or fourteen teachers.

S/.: Iw Im ... rfbout how many students in the beginning?

/ ,O: CC- about 500.

F/i: =S Did you do any teaching yourself?

f: SMB. Yes I taught four classes. I was principal and then

taught these four classes in high school.

(: Which level did you teach? In which subects did you teach?
S/: E 'em..... I taught giSi math and science. i -iia r '' I taught



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g all the way p over the years. IdB pJ taught at least i

four subjects. SI taught English, "'i's.a. t. I've taught niatho,

1-it-ra I've taught science and I~ taught a language, Latin.

I taught those sgbjects at leas --

 -. do ..e te.c.i... ..

/ /: As well as being the principal.

4: Either starting off with four classes and gradually reducing to where I

taught maybe two. 40then after -

vs& I was relieved of teaching all together. I became a full-i nclpal.

7-a /a r r,
Sh hat came about 4tin'Aw. ~i W en, the educators about the

minimum foundations program.

A":mPft; he legislature appropriated money so that all the schools wouZdmd 7
guaranteed to run at least eight or nine month o s So that i

when I became really a full-fled'ged principal. But all of during that time why

I taught either full-time or half-time /rom four .Iatwa,: down to two

r : uial Do you have any recUIlections of World 34ia._ War I? 4 ou were
teaching all during the time of American involvement


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J : Tr ~ & Sf._a .hen World War I c came about, that was "ifB L_. ~i Ta~
itn-q I was in college then.

Paw W91. -a mp I -C *" A
1 I must have been d a junior ~a. gig--LI il. ^.

- /: Were many people joining" the service during that time? ,.....
/ : si ome #r? volunteered s., had to register for service .~8 after

-, -c ~ma8ika
.m Yeah I was required to register enty one years orf age.

6 0ii a So I registered myself somewhere after I finish&c u ,tr,, '. I

remember my friends and classmates. :iI remember some who went to -,.-a

volunteer aaZ for service. Some *Vaas took up what is called officers)
training coursT thinwas offered /hen~backduring that time.

J Officer' training school camp. Some of them volunteered and went to that. A
vwhr.t ey became officers after they finished %'"S under the supervision
of the government at that particular time. Of course) I remained in the te-zching

profession- and luckily j they didn't draft me into

the army.,-

h i was classified however a in class number one.

When I registered they say class number one subjected to be called.


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I s c right alongQWen I cAsWSSbecame married why^,
they changed my classification. They did that. 'Fr they put me in class number

two. .iF ~..I.I.3. hW iey never did have toi call on those who
placed in class number twoC .

SSoh that way aKdidn 't call on me to service or anything of that kind.

f /: Did it have any effect schooling or education? Doyou remember any of the

impact of the ar? Did it seem to have any effect on schooling- or education?

J /: I don't think it did as I can remember. Didn't have any effect on


4f: Did you continue your education after you had started, teaching mand continued

through teaching? Did you go say, for example, to workshops orga l9s did

you do any other kinds of educational activities aside fromyour work in the

classroom here at Lincoln High School?

4/L : ^ miSmssiI1 jy the way vitain going back to my services

in Pens fola when I was teaching there/ n the summer of mr j. '

L"_ -. "S. ..gse. they had a shipyard

SOzne of the targes shipyards in the country d0* operating

there.' Pensecola Ship Building Company. That was during the war.

AS-ess- ey were building ships ,and B they needco(

men to wor' F hey were

paying a good saZm .-- .. .-,

t* So for *W two summers I think it was, after school was out I got a job at

ship building. Penspcola Ship Building Company down C~ ai on the

gul f it was.
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-.S I can't think of the name of the place but anyways it's down about
ten milesgMO from Pens cola down on the gulf. f

So I got a job. I worked down there q s i ll for two summers
afxaI during the month o~f i n June and JuyZy iga
-----.--- --------------- --- ------ ---

.n ay is better than- that I esm as a teacher at

the schools government job and all.
f/ : So youfts getting good salary.

/: So I took advantage of it.

f: What did you do in. the shipyard?:

I4: I was what they called a bolter. ai hose big ships there
;M1_%aZ!' steel _--i -0 O UM

.,'bolter and they had their acx {I- and what not. *aiEi aia E a

S Jo I was a bolter. I'd get under the ships and put the bolts and
things Agvin the ho'ZI ndari ske? .6hat. ig steel plates and things
of that kind.

S/: IAi~BgN. Did you enjoy that work?
4tf: Yeah I enjoyed it. i

f : It would seem to me that that would be a good change from working....
J/$: Yeah I enjoyed that very much. So I .ent there for *O

f Repa these two summers.

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/: -g Were these military ships < for the /F' Ji..'-.Mt United
States Navyj -r were they commercial ships?

A: Well you i isf e United States aa Navy. Mr&

J: Uh huh. Yeah,..I see.

A: United States government.

J: I see. So you started here.......

A: Out here.......

A/l: What did you think about Gainesville when you first came Liii- lin 1921?
What was your i impressions of the city?

/: L T always thought that Gainesvil.e was very -a M| fine- m. place e4S a
as far the ...-a hospitality and all like that. Seas '.: pl.

'~.l .. a i*a -6wai .,iCi.4 ways thought that 4 there was

a very good relationship. between. l blacks and whites mat .

,easi*iawW0WWVPc. in this community. Z r ,'. ,

I knez^w TI'.yn' that Jacksonville, places of that kind, Pensecola) much larger

.. rd or., ?y than Gainesville and Tallahassee the capital
^!-P I It
and all 45ss that see, R~" in But the relationship was, a
7 -saBmF very good. Much better to my mind than most of those even larger places. -.,.

ske;iishtEqutep r JI think that is one of the reasons why I preferred to

remain -:-^',."wL S

dK I had ^t :~e ei mr.:y opportunities to go to other places. Swm n

^s;~ ij:~ ~!s^,~~Pi-s......... ~~..^ -

(' A- principal of the school I had calls to go to even Miai. when they -

the fine eh~ s phj high school down there for' blacks.

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A. Quinn Jones and Jim Fouche
When these were built one of the finest in the state it was.

"I had an opportunity to go down there tYto be principal. 1I had an opportunity
to go to S9St. Petersburg. Had~. i4 very fine grade school there. t4572

B fere and there I had opportunities just to leqve,
a sdmea-.. somehow I remained here because I liked it. Igb..n

f /: Gk -3r.hperpc~t' Did your wife and fami 3,.d. --B enjoy the
city also.

.,: Yeah) I liked it very much here '

t So that reason why I remained.
S/: caiiw-rba Where did you move to? What part of the city. did
you live in when you first came here? Did you live near the Union Academy as
Jt: Yes. I lived near the Union Academy. I lived at the home of one Mr.
Mr. S.H. Hen ala who old home is still found
F /: Oh it is?

A: His daughter lives there now.
S/r: ]WhAich street is that on?

4": *IeM#rae~i~0, rd That's onc.B fourth.
S/: Fourth street
-S^: c sh lt~fshe 'ta fourth avenue I believe it is. 7-

obs2lgsASAi I lived there for dn ., at least a 3ZA / years.
d- iiiiiiiP bell>

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SA. Quinn Jones and Jim Fouche
(.-'/: Where was that?

/: It was located 4r9r thes1l --,, corner of Jg Of taand i
aie:~oecond tvee-t -wime~ here the C.t3-J2 Funeral
4 -- --- --

dixlWiBr I think the ghite Zectrio plant thaatmust be on that sight noz. 9

y: eMuailP Yeah I'm not very familiar with the city myself but BS9alSm. I've seen
that area.

J : e Well it's out on eighthh

~ enuq --- _; *_ Wo So I lived there until i

",1 i .and .,I moved I leai r&beagn buying this place ti-"_ '
here where I'm living.
r i-2
1: O~ "r So you've lived he e since ..

^I: 'I've been living here since.-r
: So you've been Je r fifty years. in this home.

&-: Bfifty years in NovemberOe- ,Zg t;*'af

/: ~y goodness gracious.

SThat's unusual. ..In the 'United States people move so much-J it seems. Even
my own family, my father j1ammsr. worked on automobiles and he moved all over the
South V for many years. So it is &BN unusual I think, for a man to be so
situated and all. YPfI think that's a good thing)too. I think a lot of people
people appreciate that. What about the city? Was itmvs a big town or was

it just aZittle bitty place? ..lg hat do you recall about the city of Gainesville
in terms of it's sizeM when you first .came here in the early Umi "

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(A. Quinn Jones and Jim Fouche

s: e t small. I don't suppose the population's over Sj 0rliagaT f 7"

eisasif that.

~f don't think its much over that. In other words hh a all this area was 1iU

r-ruiral m oe when I came here. sB~*I came all the way to school

and everything there. Tzat was just muck -iJ wet and all grown up

P forestZike. Pin erees and all like that /lZ out here. This
W"yaSy..^/^ab r B across the railroad lt.sw. .

.'.-'"*l~* n d down there on this eiSigWm road.

l/: O~KYahi On this side of the railroad.

4 : Yeah, dueha /o there wasn't any....

; : : So it's kind of out in the woods then?

5/: So there wasn't much mas e k out here.

/: Did the county build that school? i l ,I II

SJ Yes, the county built that school. '-i.sCa-iwiS. ma2n2z n e

property was owned by Dr.. t Hef a black doctor here and very prominent

for ee-s f years ',-- ,-' -"* "

-d He owned that piece of land. There must .be:.about~seven acres. M trhe county

was looking around for a place to locate it and so he sold that ,.i y,~ Pto the

county for the- erection of this school site here.

: 3~l3iBSh Did your children go to that school? Did your sons go to that school?

T : Yeah, S my two sons Ls si

ir /Xraduated from Lincoln High School.
~'s^ ^smrt

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A. Quinn Jones and Jim Fouche

.- ".-Vne of them finished and the other

ukoB. Qe of my daughters finished from Jacksonville: Duval._ from the

High School in Jacksonville Florida. AUM- ".-- y younger daughteraf finished
A -
from this school .also.

SI: ~sA hat year did she finish?

4n So your two daughters were born in Gainesville? e re Br
------------ IV

q, 60 -Wes- b ME.
'my. older daughter was born in Pens-cola and my younger daughter was

born here.

/ : Here in Gainesville.
A: caSink Ye.

F/: just enjoyed this very much. It's been wlw9it most interesting and

S n my area of interest is education. I study education and so I am very

interested in raS your career and the history of your experiences in Florida

educationOa*w* I appreciate ylourz taking the time to speak with

us. This is obviously a very important chapter in the history of education in

this county and #B.. it is one which I think that se.oa o many of us

would be most thankful to you for helping us to put it together. It something

we should not 0 allow~g to itet lie, -g not to be uncovered and to be

discovered by people. I think that Mrs. Williams lif she can will probably want

to get a copy of. that information you have there about when you taught and

what years and how much salary and s ize schoolland whatever. So if you

could make that available to her so she could get a copy and then give back the

original to you then that would also be very helpful. SP I would thinkJ y
other material that you have that you thought would be important to eg help .

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S the library be able to preserve 4 the history of the school here would be most

important to them. So an cooperation of that sort would be most welcome.

/ A: What are y/ going to do with... with the information? What events, what will

happen to the information that you get?

J: Well, I think there-are two possibilities. One of them is the possibility that

the information will be, this tape will be transcribed into a written document.

That is it will be typed from the tape and put in a document form, and you will

be asked to look over that document and ... gn-eh.. make corrections if there

are mistakes or ... or if that is if the typist has made a mistake, or if f

there is a change of a date or a time or whatever else, and you will be asked

to make corrections. And that document, that is the corrected document will

be kept in a library for future reference by historians or by those who are

studying the county. Ah, that's one thing that will happen. The second thing that

could happen is that this..material'will be made available to historians and 4\

very possibly 'a .,. an account will be written for the Alachua County Historical

Society or possibly someone from the University of Florida for another institution

of that type will will want to turn this into some kind of history. Um... I know

that ,ew White has written along with the students of of Lincoln High School,

has written a brief history of Lincoln High School but this material of course

will be much, I would think to be much more.....

A: Who you say wrote that history?

J: A t White. He is a professor over at the University of Florida and in cooperation

with the students at Lincoln. High School. I'm trying to recall the year. I think

it was probably in the late s z= .es or maybe the early seauwes. Right st the

time when Lincoln High School was f... was closed down.

A: Closed down. Closed in Yn tee -aassenty I think that.....I .f "0

J: Se .ny ?

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A. Quinn Jones and Jim Fouche

A: -U ntsh6were~-kp-r~edc- I I think that's -S '^M i *

J: Uh huh. Right so......

A: I think it was February nin ~ ee-e evty I believe.

J: Right. So there is a history that has been written but I don't think it's tar...

it needs more detail and it needs your input for it.

A: Uh huh.

S J: Have you seen that?

A: No I hadn't.

J: .,. It's in the library at the education library at the University of Florida
and if I can get an extra copy of it I I would imagine you'd like to see it.

S A: Yes, I would like to. I would like to see that.

J: tC It's-~f it's small, it's very brief but it's u &;.e. it:'s-a history I

Think it was written very much by the students of the school at the time. So I'll

\try tlget a copy of that over to you if you would like.
A: Yes, I'd be glad to see it.

J: q003. good.

W i: 74-0wYW- Lincoln High School is uk...

one of the frst-/ 4 state accredited high schools in the state of

Floridatka, Florida. 3
v1Bg-...- Central
Academy ca7.led Central High School A tm t t W

^ Palatka, Florida.

.4e-..."S"akgpM t ea.iiai They were the first two schools that were

amMM accredited by the State Department of Education in ,t4e,-&,tate o f?'
Florida. That is in ,' Wm 1.^.... --mi- i when this school....

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k A._ Qinn Jones andP Daphine Williams
S/-: It was brand new.

J 4: Yeah. It was accredited ,-- W by the state of Florida.

4...Z fenty/, ive years before that the other -scho b, black school at Palatka

(~ ntral High Schoolr \ was the first. rl .

P .... is-bcam ,ec grand er.ed ted9 s.ehges by. a_ ep ]m e -.'rfcf .;
After that why ** --- -- : schools like r .

like < High School in Jacksonville 5,d^ St. Petersburg,) iwriS and

C. Pensacol ta., here and there Sfy become yat know....

A /Acredited by the state. But this school here- doc~o- wee the first

two black school in the state of Florida to become accredited by the Florida

State Department of Education.

/ ( : That's very good. That's really great.

-: m u ". p. ).J'. ~eeibozf.

E z .-- t.> thi WaS wos -f-tt.e fu 'st .. -- a'e t1 1 -,

way I got. Ilen r finished col-ege.

plj b: 4agaH ^Soyl.:Yiou MO to -LvncoZn.

Si i: So I cc-r,- to Lincoln.

S/: 3. hat y1ear was that?

A] /: Ws j *;o she was....

now": wt B car,?a to Lincoln i: s nCam-,fr4om Florida rA..& M. gAflt
/ '"'" "' '^ """

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A. Quinn Jones and. T~ Daphine Williams

4:% First year up there why she was on the faculty.

S : No. I was never n school but I came in here on special state program.
The state put in two year. teacher training program in high school because so many

high school graduates were going right back in teaching.
J: Ahhh. So they wanted them to get.....

9 /: Uh huh. And that's the way I:came here.
J: I see. So you came in tw Y4atx ." So you can really ask him a lot of questions.

In fact that's gonna be the challenge for you to sit down and recall... exact

instances and experiences and people.. and events in the history of this school

so that "i, s-so-that we can have them on tape for future use. And to begin to

build a good comprehensive history of this institution. So I think that it's most

appropriate that you :t... that you do the interviewing in. that' next interview.
/: All right. Let's see if we can A....
(tape goes blank here)---

j g :k*S4aaVP Was this Columbia street back then?

# /4: This was Columbia street.

iJ "a.?: This was Columbia street before the city in into quadr ants. S'u Gainesville

High School was a2s on University..

8t0: -Bast University Avenue

t^' h zerel thi old rbu Smith echool is located now.

V)J /- : 'i : ...... ___... I. > ere s Santa

Fe has w hamt- what they call the iest 'campus.

A: Yes s

Z 0 cate4 e-hKi-rbyS m *kScho o

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A. Quinn Jones and -Ji- DAphine Williams

.A:-___fsT^^mPi^i^ A*z* :ie~zis?%E -- eo^ 1 .

S~W: lWo W the new buildings identical?

Si: GsAthaP Veers Very much identical. They were built the very same time, s~tsame

contract, the same workmen. They excsh-nge Ir~f*tW workmen from one building

to the other.

A: :a 1e main part of the Lincoln High Schoolt was occupied in
M1 23
alai-.1a, o ttmheselqpol when we moved in. s about two years

after that they made an. addition "thak- ''is- to the school. V't'i:iaThey added

the auditorium

I Yo the school.

VP c.'.: The auditorium was not there originally.7

l/: No.

J4 /S Did r Gainesville High School get itv auditorium the first year?
,f/: A4I can remember I don't believe the Gainesville High School got it auditorium

along with the main building. N=-i-ll 1bliter t he main part

of it was built just like this school is the main part e built and the addition I

was made later, /o years after that. The fact about it is the addition to .the /

Lincoln High School, the auditortilw\--" Z -a '.?B some of the rooms I believe.

Originally this qfhm school Voaplanned to have two wings, a:north wing and

a south wing- added to it to make a complete -capital "T"' u that was

neverMcis done. f
When you first moved into WaSant High School, did you have a library as such 4



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( A. Quinn Jones and j eff Do-fk Wl

t(J : or did you have to convert classrooms into library?

5: No we did not have a,../ library. W111r'here was a large room on the

second floor. Tai .h...... -he architect named it "ig u W

home making room. But, instead of ~ us afor a home making room -g didn't

have any home making teacher why we used that room for a library room. Wasn't
anything in it, any shelves or anything of that kind, no equipment. S-oa
gSgs~AYaIay I retract just a little bit.When we moved to Lincoln High School

in m.......L. .....Imp''' "l when the building was completed, we didn't

have A* the city toilet facilitieVs0- p fact about it is the sewer-- was run

from the University venue down.. this Tenth streett to the school here. It

took about -mIm .... a little more than a month for them

to complete the sewer line to be connected with the school. But irl the meantime

S in order for the school to open, and we did open on time in l4Mg B the later

part of August, we ie built some hi|B outdoor la ratories... through the

cooperation of the~r -' .~g advisory board

composed of several colored citizen Wg-v ts.a nsv l 19s$l+mm4tm

--lPg-Ba- --ith their help .. we hi.-s, bought some materials from the- lumber
Syard ,/ri g ot a carpenter to build two laboratories in the

back part of the school: Xne for boys and one for girls. O *illsP riw.j M We

used those B toilets for about a month until the sewer line was completed. aM

-1hen d B we discarded them. But in the meantime, there was some very,-'SMBRMi.

nice material that we used in construction of i those toilets. So we d**g apNa

A ouanPfound a use for them. '*Wi. 1 'n our room that we designated for a

library we didn't have any shelves or tables or wasn't anything in that room.

So the jiidea came into our minds -auate we could use that material that

was used g to build the ( outdoor toilets. We could use the material

for building shelves. Library shelves. in the library room. So I m took the

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A. Quinn Jones and J ~Feu- Da ve ww U~ t{iO 4-5

a boys in the high school, ten and e ve ade.J s a

,._-'' l r .\ d took the lumber and _.igg _- we built the

.-... temporaryy shelves around in that ro' ,J o. ~ Not only that

but we built 4Vsome aPl.ibrary tables. C _--lig_-f-l .ir 1 1 ,

tt got some gi~ b nice paint, 1Apvarnish
'--e--varnish the shelves and varnish the table .a~d maak .at. as,

round some funds from some o .Sft c iiMr... irsource and .w thing

we bought was a B big large international dictionary. We put that

there on the table. We also bought ,jl some chairsv.-I think they were library

chairs \ a.....a _Ti......... about iggEEgrfive or six and we put them there.

In the meantime they -1 --- rn a *_-- -. had some desks up there. In

other words the teacher of English.gusethat room. We had -

E a combination.Afiat~ English aid library room. T1s* 'The English

teacher ltwas really the supervisor siiiam of the library.

-A. u J h.O .a.ornu...l She taught her classes and then she supervised "S

the library. AM That's the nucleus ~ Ieia y of the beginning of the library.

In the meantime we i subscribed to 8..the few magazines iamSph
t,,, .9 A .b.. A f
the not come from: the i however but we raised money

soiy --l selling lunch_ M

1nts o-=iat7 htls. 4-.

about the way that wman...caime about, that is the beginning of the the library

out here.

e:: ertid 1i~ke wo- very active groups that assisted

you when you were trying for equipment or furnishing or special things 1ne

was the PTA1PeJ eo TD CkcLr J S 35 ,

: Yes PTA. By the way) ------Mr. D.S. Days was the first "i ".
j t T, A


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Quinn Jones and Jia e L alf .((1- ,

eV president of the Parent Teachers Association. .1. r-re.-. PTA

-iW rendered l much assistance r~ p -...; in helping

us to* do the little things that we....

SVi- Had he at one time been. 6. a teacher or a principal somewhere in the county?

This would have been before you came in. I don't know whether you recall having


J/: When I- t 'came to Gainesville as principal of the Union Academy,

here. Mi y Xyfirst year Ba'f the..-.a school "'

was not eight months. r.l iiie. sa B he county did not have sufficient funds
to run the school for full eight months. ---

.Ar-eLA~ga.lw-. wto .-- ghrongh the efforts of the parents and 2kl .& teachers,

we raised enough money to extend.wt school at least two months, from six to

eight months, o complete the eight months school tme. asahah yeaa. f that

was -hen in
(P z
tjr -ji -al.-and awwe still ev had eight months ll at Union Academy before

we moved s~qlia to new Lincoln School. In the meantime, at the end of the

summer of my second term here in nn- .... ...s.._.-y-.-5 .'e-

it -"'_ ._ __ _- After having served thatis .the eight months ,

as principal I had an opportunity to j aisteach ks summer schooeYr Mps.S

tit-u A-gaqeS I served *gtwo months at the A rodond School, ie aeeebout

Sf h,\ five or six miles south of here e ha E ff the Archer Road.

So I served there

SC/L;WO months/ J7 Zz ia';ii i-b JUlyly and August in the

QRP: Yes, but you mentioned Drew Days as being president of your PTA.

: Yes.

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SA. Quinn Jones and JgaCuete Pp tvlve
i/f: 4 I was asking had he ever been a teacher?

J': Yes, at one time he was mi one of the faculty members of Union Academy

d'* cording to our records. -W r

V: 4010 b But pra later on did he become the first mail carrier in Gainesville?

Was he the first or just one of them?

S: No. He was possibly the second mail carrier in Gainesville. Mr. Benjiman ChiYls

was the first mail carrier in Gainesville and Mr., Days : probably was the second.

:r ,'^ff i -You mentioned that you had a tbo~Sd ss es,, black board
of trustees that assisted you. ~dSwho are some of them< their names? I know

that Chil s was one.

6 M ii.Wi.i Dr. R. B. A"was a member of that board 4 .L- .
MS 0 r. D.S. Days was a member and Mr. Benjiman Chil was a member. Mr.
S.H. 4isiat Sr. was a member. Mr. 4$ E. MartinA by the way his A picture

llMSS, and write-up on him came out in the paper a few weeks agoA was

a member of that board. s N' -
Sne or two other members b* *'- J

16f Did they have any responsibility for assisting you in the selection of teachers?

f: 5 es /did. Wai- --E.sR l e iE I had a free hand
however gisaf in the recommendation and selection of teachers. In other words,
I would select them aaL~n. a it m I would meetBat i- with that board and

go over f my recommendations as to teachers and such as that. AMtilt..P..

naturally they would ji4# p approve ~(wP or disapprove whatever I recommended.

<1a-ft he presentation as madeQE_ to the county School Board upon
their recommendation.
MT: qv- af%. So you really had dBm. the Voard of trustees and the foard of public 4

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Quinn Jones and Jir:mihe TdePPVil VeIJl'(a 5

i instructionn A go through when you were making your teacher recommendations?
yes T e 66. 1a
: *f'iY jes. The county Soard of public /nstructidn was the last ll

had O to physically approve whatever was recommended

SSESS by the, -..sraM iihs #Aoard(.._.-.

": I joined your faculty in ---M _- il_ and as I recalled in that

particular year there must have been six or seven new teachers who came in. SW

Vere all of them replacements of persons who had left or were we additions. Had

you grown so that you were having to add to your faculty?
thernk e --n-o5^-
(: %
I think we had grown. m i: rto the extent that we needed additional

teachers in our school. Because 4J)ggg thesumer enrollment at the

old Union Academy was s about five hundred as I remember ri&-igB

xdr.i... ien i became a faculty member we had grown
probably up to between eight and nine hundred ughly speaking. B*es

M. :. _, ,"-n------_aL-- ---..lIhe year that you came i

ji-t'*r -*eest I know that .wc*lwnirnptsdi tt ts-~-r etherhs- n1hsejkng

teacher-i-f-I-remember rightly,,-was a new-addition. 6Ai AiLMn_ iw---- the teacher
training 3eij. department t was added to the school. That was .ia new teacher?

Ias~-14-r- 14 -i-w lKin Of course all kdia--ui increase Atah*44in the enrollment.
-2 '
: YIh i 1 ou were still having to do some money raising even at that time when

I came in. Af 2You were growing 6y rather rapidly. I don't recall the year but

somewhere during that the ar, era it seems to me you went on double sessions. Do

you recall what year you had toA lput your elementary school on double sessions?

K: I don't recall exactly t the moment but in later years, J '4it;t4t er'-:teas

after hz _ptah l~~t -.e-y=.e-"........ .....sei ime

af4rta kw off and on #,. for several years.. leading up to the year n+et-een

S-h. f. a fift- i... i there had been double sessions.

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A. Quinn Jones and JDio-uftPj ipV.hiV \vl]- --~- ---- -.- VJ- diclK>
4? o owss Sebctions of elementary schools attend in the morning other sections

_--iT .....Bj U> '" "' in the afternoon ~ I But off-and on for several

years, at least from .i bL...x....k.v r ... .. 'i. tiIh 4on up to

ineeoot-n.-.hnd-e.a.4..fy-s.s.ix. cause in ad.. ..'e...Sf' .ir on Lp

ite6 gasa we were on double sessions. That's to during the time that.AIthe

new Lincoln High School across sout west Gainesville was being LonS~. We g...-

were very congested out here during that year. c- -

ff fefore we moved there -were really were about,- thirteen or fourteen

hundred chdl3ren.8$ -igh t-here, elementary and high school students right here

in this school/ hen the reality to the capacity of the school would accommodate

probably just about one half of that number. Vr' probably about seven hundreds

something like that. But we had between thirteen fourteen hundred children and

sixty-five .0i S-,& elementary and high school teachers. Of course after weo..

built the J new school, Lincoln High School Ac (o55 town Bai= e ae

this school here became he A. Quinn Jdnes

Elementary School. 11i m

Bf adi4 ifi fra
principal and I retired at the end of the year js .

SI wan4 back up just a little bit to the years of the Depression. I don't

remember q*W the superintendent at that time but I do know that we were having

financial difficulties. g0pA.o you recall how we used to get .paid /ust

before five the bank closed up?

A: During the Depression in

Mr. H.F. Ze-roO' was superintendent of schools,& f- B county

did not have suff amou of moeyt operate the scoo
-cent amount of money operate the school speciallyy

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A. Quinn Jones. and Eej i DM5 \J[[~ciVaw5
o&P the Lincoln High School for a full term of eight months. tWAs a consequence,

the County Board authorized the cutting of teacherA salaries as well as

cutting the school Ja- at least two months. fR hat we had to do in order to

assure the children would have an eight-months schoolo-m was to get busy.,andoirp

with the cooperation of the Parent Teacher Association and other interested

citizens g4 raise money selling lunches giving a little concerts moibICheM

\:) !04cp- in order to build up funds so 'that iS the teachers might be paid.

S I recall also though at least .for two years, ao I don't recall which years

these were at- the county was borrowing money to meet even the

six-month-salary bills, d that each teacher had to sign the notes. This bothered

me a lot.

Yes I reme mbe Lbs'.------- -

I don't the exact year. Probably that was 2 -- -.--2 ,-..

it Somewhere in there they borrowed the money....

1: The county didn't have the fund I don't

recall now having done that as principal, that is i_ 2.. W5.

sign a contractft~ .l-to borrowing money from private individuals. I think

that's the way it operated. O 4Vnywiay 'the teachers vf-"-tti tn; signed a.-

note with a private interest.I don't even remember the interest noi ti dvld

t -'. T l ls I understand it

t Pk when 4 sufficient monea would come in- to the county, that
t individual from which the teacher borrowed the money would be replaced. *

': Nst I recall that because I was a little stubborn about it. -NiN Let me

ask about-one or two other kinds of things which are common place in schools

now but were not at that time. For instance, the lunch programs. OR I believe that jiOA

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A. Quinn JOnes and J e L t 'tl

at one time you had what they would call now, open campus. The children walked

to schools so they could walk home for lunch, with special permission.

/CY: .Yes. Iirm .....Jl- .. -cafeteria and ps T that kind. .A I would

say ._ ...

was the year when VI rwasvW the new cafeteria, to the schooLwas built
k 4by the county Board. But previously that we use7Li mmW .one of

the rooms in the school here for a cafeteria. 'Yithe schools operated thatjil

cafeteria. independently ?of 'the county. .' ^iilrg--** *o i -t-*

dia ee,6tove and everything ~s placed in one of the rooms and they got

someone to B prepare the meals. and.+ i chwar"thb e. i Bo in other words,

we operated 1 cafeteria independently of the county. s syhat

was the beginning ',awo of aIp lunch service to the children in the school.

It was not until .nineteenhundred-and-ff-ty-4ve' that the county built a lunch

room that 4 they got reals, 9SSsa lunch service under the supervision of the

county and also the state/ appropriationn for the school.

: Having been 4ohere as long as you were, io -- -Jnder

how many superintendents did you serve?

,: ok-w~wI-calelta*. I came under the superintendent of Mr. E.R. Simmons follow

following him was H, ,. ,,-Mr. towardd Bishop' following Mr. Howard Bishop

Mr. Paul Peters following Mr. Paul Peters Mr. Ed /'- "
was 4qPWN1O" Paul Peter (J.5 I E

And you retired during Mr. iMamimnii ,. .l- (

I retired during Mr. asl ad inistration. His first year of service.

s: i .. .. i.i..- 10 o s still living?

: Manning/ C
<' *.*t r
f' L .

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\- A. Quinn Jones and J... ..ree ak.v.. e Pjt ...J..c.V5 25

Sj.: ut of the,. five or six that you named, do you recall

any particular $~progress in ariculum that took place under one of them? Do

you consider either one of them as having made unusual progress in the instructional

program in the county?

: Is. .l- I should think that other than Mr. Paul

Petersl under his administration than any of the

others. However, n4:-T --' --io,' a progressive sort of thing B%. in

the case of something that didn't just stand still, all of the superintendents

made a contributions the advancement- tha/ just a education here.

: .aa. .'. Tellff us

the crriculum.

J': Yes, the c rriculum. Four years of English, algLa four years ofpa w

*aM iP Lat in, three years of science,, -s arthree or four

years of 4 esS social studies,gi.. four years of math. That's really' subjects

of 9 cLrriculum in the beginning. Then they e-gradually added to that'W P
A f
ajmrhomemakin E-,trpaT.trcc*ladum- That is for girls. Afittgmo- A4.ater on,
whyOCf6pWsi the added woodworking v..C1 for the boys. a^
The **&[ rriculum became more diversified, more enriched

in later years a the q- bout the move from the old Lincoln High School to

the new Lincoln High School/ ewe t added *.' music and... w

: Ta loring?

p: .,,aloringTB and ST they calf it. Diversified Cooperative Training
A-vt -
ad trades and industry and such as that. All that became a part of the curriculum.

SBusiness education.

S-/: Yes, business education and such as that.

W'. Do you remember the young lady who put out the first school newspaper- that we had?

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KA. Quinn Jones and imrls e e 4,41ie V(t ia' W

1: She was from St. Augustine I think. L t~' b ,.

/ .;:-. .-, /

i: Uh huh.

,ni ,, 1 --.-- ^ % ...".-- L ,_-. ..- .
) ^: ,l ne other little anecdote I would like to o see whether you recall. After

you put in homemaking, and you had such a large number of students, you couldn't

continue your four years required science, so the girls took homemaking and the

boys took biology. Gjb you recall one year that a committee of girls '_ iE

visited youat the office several times and would not accept homemaking without


This is women's lib way back. i

.. I don't remember so manyii. things happened like that. I meet the children,

boys and the girls you know, who went to Lincoln ~eiih four years. They come

back and tell me about this and tell me about the other thingani-ifrt zn- tieieg

SThey have. e-r laughing ya know about some of the things.

S'{: Things that happened. *(rau-gS

Y.'.-wfi. Mr. Dennis like to talk about a little system you had of

discipline. a Tell us about that one.

T: -;tann rhn have a little fun ir with

i t. Theres the boy

(e didn't have any extreme cases as far as disciplines concerned. They were boys.

They were just mischievous and all like that. But w0hIe they didn't like to come to

my office and they didn't like to be snt to my office. So then when they come
sent to my office. So then when they come '

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A. guinn Jones and -aehe U411 i V1
t: I'd have -a little fun with the4a :I .asw-F 4:he I kept a little strap

there in my desk. AM1 When they'd misbehave and have to come in VBm in my

officeqwhy, sometimes I'd use that strap on them. -

ome of the S -, tell me now I once had them marl! around
the desk/ eii .e i imi' and I'd give them-.
a licking- H l on the back and what not U* '?--.
1: So you like to tell that.

C: Things of that kind. It was just .._ a. &-f-.2- i. M.-.... just enough of a

kind of thing toarouse-them.l w
Sof their va isobediene and what not. That's all it was for.
V: e liBa you were in position to social change from the

outside which is different from what If had to see 4b from the inside. ~a. That
was when we got into the ivil rights deal and we call it desegregation or integration.

But what happened in the schools when we began to mix? Give us your impression
of that. you were out here looking at us and we were in there in

a turmoil feeling very much upset. How did you feel about it?
: < I don' t Fl I was a

outside observer I would sa t this subject I didn't
experience anything of that kind. But -ia.i...a -t S

whenever there was a sudden change whatever it may be i/ it's

a little difficult to come adjusted to a
sudden change of that kind. i-i.r. .i $ure it's true not

only when it's true to the school but even 6ZW adults getting
readjusted to change. It brings about problems of one
kind or another. .riT 'oC get readjusted dit 1 is something
that can't be done overnight but .414it's something that has to be

done gradually. It!:s a gradual sort of thing. "wa.

*"C-"^ .
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ALQuinn JOnes and Je~fe ks- Op e VJ' a
Sao &lst -ki, ~fidjusting to change ust doesn't happen overnight. 4!

Lia egfa----s If I recall rightly inalSgl

Jut' -mpJ iCt .... when Supreme Court made the ruling (about
faQ wssep/rate but equal schools was unconstitutional, the very next
morning when that -after that appeared in the paper, someone

I think it r Gainesville, SunemaRA editor, called me -7g.B-J ...OM

to get my reactionoSW ft dgon a P the Supreme Cour Qg ,

aSiii rulAingp and all like that. ,., ...... I didn't
have any reaction ,afoE at the moment. It was just too early for

me even have any reaction to it. Well from o rhz-t..-z1.-"t,.'~"y
-^ e 3
Si?6B"iffega3?'a right on to pajt4i.B a-^rp iri.i Eyi1ti this county,
'"-- ..- / /
t~ei all those years, t took f gradual'change. Gradual

sort of a thing to integrate the schools 9.t.*i harmoniously and

all like that. .AWi-t~ven up unto this present time y-i's'r -a

r ......... n.. they. still hav little problems atne
still havT. oblems zIix-on e
-ie or another,,, rk; tee So some of this just doesn't .

,t aa happen ~y~:-.rno- w' overnight when it comes to readjusting to ,
.' "
change/?c" ., g ,,
: itaL;hni..i I think we've covered a lot of things and I could keep

on talking o -'i_ / We came through a lot of things together&avs

but iC.:-, would you want to summarize giving what you feel has been

some of the positive changes that have taken place through the years?

Some of the things that you see in education which are definitely on

the positive side for you. .i,-I'm not speaking in terms of just

integration and desegregation but just generally the growth pattern

in education. W.hi,I hat things kind of stand out in your mind as

being positive w l>esome changes?

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(A. Quinn Jones and J~ai ee Ji
J5: &E far asy A a r.. U.h4v' Alachua County is concerned-

,immost experience/ in Alachua County4, ~ e-- -there has been

a change int'r-t-h o-I say i hthe attitudes of u r all

racial groups in becoming ##hausn more rr interested Agip in the

education of all the children. There .( :.-./ been a great Aconciousnes

I would say h, in ~-providing YtOUdy';~l .,. equal

educational opportunities for all .A.-,', cr4 in this county and
!-----s-- ------ -----------i--- -- --... '*
throughout the state ..- There was a -..

fi:Ba.; t, 1 time when ai ~ k-m...-a .w black schools, I put
it that way/ Black schools, black children didn't have the opportunities
/ ( -L-oC^
that the whites had. The school gMM differed. We had a saSi

shorter school term than the the otherjS_4 had. ,V? e 2-;-h '

teachers r were not AWN paidd ,-._e,, as well as the, other' teachers. That

is uhi -t*mup until &Ia., the year s .T--. .,

V r"1'^-- Th ere was a dual school system but very much
dual up until the year P-r ~tn fr. -- -ei. ne

'*ga~as.i.;' Since that year 4apea9 f.-.r~ 4 L:w. Vl- af-
'^ ^A-
ssa Sgg the Minimum Foundation Program was adopted by the tate

of Florida, which providedl-g equal appropriation, equal opportunities

more or less for the education of all the children in the state. Same

length of school term, nine months, for all the.children in the state

along with other enriched improvement for the schools sghesansin the

state. Equalization of teacher's salaries ce along with that.

Equalization of Wt'. H-ifL*a-fca^. qualifications 2doarkAL-,of a,

teachers in all the schools,..-,in the state. I think 4gWvt to mark

my enduring of all the years that A~E I'my teaching career, .4Mm =0.. -

that4Y *prepresent',.-e most outstanding progress 'w-a-Y.P'

.sqvthat the schools have made, that education has made in the .tate

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A. Quinn Jones and D4 1I le jil -VD
S of Florida during my years of teaching when the state saw fit to

equalize .,.- educational opportunities for all the children in -the
state. And that was .esn--- .r.i -. ,-and and wy-

.`- ._state legislature made appropriation that would
bring those things about. Axida~ineaince that time, .'mi, ~_ aha

f .-M right on up through_ -b ietolo ..a...... "- l ..ra... during.that particular period
when the Supreme Court made it\s ruling that ey separate but

equal schools were a*bosunconstitution/ 9 I think we've made probably
more progress g,a m4 a.i "-.i* ... -.
ss.-a..:.up- unj..l-.tilh ;iBe^ ~F that we've made t-.- in

education in the state of Florida during my lifetime.

: I'm aware of the fact that you have been over a period of years
,-. collecting items and writing your personal memoirs, right?

/: X: .. I've done it. I have jei-s made a little compilation of

S- .i-,a r retrospections by A. Quinn Jones.
y: -tiBnviT' Did you have in mind publishing that at anytime or is Tt
just for the benefit of your family?
: No, AJieES Bi~ktI I didn't have it in mind publishing it. I thought
probably at some future time at some time probably my children will
want to take it and y v te. Xaybe publish it. "d.'iat

tf- a0- I have it all compiled .-aafws,.-., to the extent now

4j., just to publish. Don't know whether it's worth publishing or not.
n~~ Under aheW y; ethe urging, -hjin of &Ijr.',-t--fi-u-io
Mr. Erich Roberts, one of the first high school graduates that finished
,*L. _~_aWPES fromK F-tRn4.t Lincoln High School here e thought that

I should write something of a history or something like that. Not only
of Lincoln '. --.buit Lincoln High'School'ro6 probably a history of black

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A. Quinn JOnes and -N ses- \ I(a lM i
A: education in the south during my years *teB service as principal

here at the high school. PB".gb.. ---- ..... Porter, who was
the president of the Florida State Teachers Association when I retired
P~Amentioned the fact that *he thought that I ought to write a little

something about xi*education ,AAtad 4a~~ black people in the state
v" r
of Florida in high school. He mentioned that. And the -aeiA came
along several other par-amrs ta.-- educators who mentioned the same

fact that I ought to write something. So from those suggestions&6wj

I decided that I'd lui- i---'L atput a little something down on

Paper yaj'w 5o '"that time.
'~: 4 oI think you should pursue it too. I think you and Freddie.are

in position to get the humanitiesgrant under which you really could
work to t ') g .he two tapes that we have made this week odWV.

are indications that you have a wealth of material because we have

just scraped the surface with a few informal 4WA questions which I
think you could go into in much fuller

ay the way I had a lot o f.~,eB~ l-wT information out of bulletin.-
and :aa -rthat pertaining to education here at Florida/and I got

rid of it. I dumped F' 't some of them out in the trash.1 ith

S cainoa r hawh Fm6wm-aim^B< I iNhave a
_/'^ ^^ /^C- .-^ --
ih-..', a reportt of the tate superintendent of /ucation is the tate
'- "^ r tv -. f '
of Florida ..-.;e., fine report from Dr. L;gS! \ : crv.-'ending
%4 k- '.June l-- -= ilia-- -- ,

In that particular bulletin aiiI got th9t'~.~t something of

the background of Union Academy here. He was tate superintendent.

R' reports from all the counties Ji^ gin all the state~1.,-part
IMWig of that particular bulletin under his administration as tate

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A A._UQnn Jones and 32e P hi1 O ..

h k Auperintendent. i L* t b i

SUnion Academy was
organized in oig _-1L---e .. anshone under the Freedman

Bureau. Th~ t...i ir- -- That was right after the Civil War.

gie-t was operated as a schoolesai under the Freedman Bureau,
until the year-............ --- S. 4gA when it --A:---a

J'aW'P ggy~BA g came under control of the Alachua County
School Board.
: T ,t is an indication of what I'm saying,, that you a wealth
S of material and a wonderful memory.

: 4a g duringg that 4iNh time, according to reports)
Mr. D.S. Days was one of the teachers at Union Academy and Si-ra"- I
was thinking about the w the medical doctoraswr but he was a

principal of.~i4 p the -school. I have the information some-
where of the Union Academy at that time. (a-s&,i- r .- was a

teacher was one of the teachers and numbers of
Others. All that information is vcij t a part of the bulletin.
P: 4ome of these times I.may be back. I won't say for this particular

one. But you know that what we have been doing is to try to get
some special materials for the Retire Teachers Association. A- i
would like for you to have a copy of the tape and we wondered

whether you minded the idea of having tapes available at the public
library for anyone else who wanted to do any research in this area?
A: No I wouldn't have any objections whatsoever... to that.
D: Well,.when we cleaned them up and have them all in nice shape we're

going to present das copies to the public library and then see

that you have copies too./ AMJZ e certainly appreciate your time. You've
been so gracious in talking with us.

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A. Quinn Jones and Jfi-F reh DL-r e tJIlO' 15

j : u4 you'ree certainly are welcome to my time and sometimes I like
to talk about some of the things that happened MMqSssCayears ago during

my administration and ~y teaching career. 4tM I look bac at the.

things that happened then and make comparisons with what's happening

even today. akPi~t t-ibI T can ii'-see the change what

Changes have taken place g over the years.

: All right. Thank you so very much.


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