Title: Interview with Lure & Lore of the Lumbee (March 25, 1974)
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Title: Interview with Lure & Lore of the Lumbee (March 25, 1974)
Alternate Title: Lure & Lore of the Lumbee
Physical Description: Book
Language: English
Publication Date: March 25, 1974
Spatial Coverage: Lumbee County (Fla.)
Funding: This text has been transcribed from an audio or video oral history. Digitization was funded by a gift from Caleb J. and Michele B. Grimes.
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Bibliographic ID: UF00008227
Volume ID: VID00001
Source Institution: Samuel Proctor Oral History Program, Department of History, University of Florida
Holding Location: This interview is part of the 'Lumbee County' collection of interviews held by the Samuel Proctor Oral History Program of the Department of History at the University of Florida
Rights Management: All rights reserved by the source institution and holding location.
Resource Identifier: LUM 183

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Russ Hyden 1 LUM 183 A

B: This is March 25, 1974. I'm Lew Barton recording for the University

of Florida's Oral History Program. The following is a substance of

a lecture I have done recently on occasion on Lumbee Indian folklore.

I call such lectures Lure and Lore of the Lumbee. Here is the latest

version which concerns itself with names: "With the fearful strain that

is upon me night and day," said Abraham Lincoln during some of the most

crucial times in American history,"If I did not laugh, I should die."

So should I in these times.

I was still devastated by the traumatic effects of a divorce,

the front end of my '71 Vega had gone to pieces, our lead guitarist

was in the hospital with a broken back, my imported electric type-

writer was on the blink, I couldn't find my Sominex, the house next

door had burned to the ground before our bucket brigade fire department

arrived on the scene and I had just been compelled to pay my liability

insurance for the entire year. It was a rather bleak day for me.

But then my son, the newspaper editor, discovered Reasonab le

Locklear--and my whole day --nay; my whole month--was saved.

"Who is Reasonable Locklear?" Dr. Samuel L. Proctor, on the phone

from the University of Florida asked me recently.

"Damned if I know, Doc," (That first word is spelled "Dam'f"), I

replied. "But I sure do like him, don't you?"

"Um-hmm!" answered my favorite professor with enthusiasm.

What is in a name? as Shakespear once asked.

Nothing, really. An onion would still smell like an onion and

Limburger cheese like Limburger cheese, even if you call them roses.

And the honeysuckle blossom would still smell great, even if you called

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it a Skunk-Bottom petunia.

Like a favorite minister friend of mine, who happens to be

tagged with a gosh-awful name, just because his father happened to

be hip on a wild -west character when he was born.

Reverend Two-gun Montana Locklear--his real name--isn't that kind

of character at all. He is one of the best, kindest and most gentle

preachers it has ever been my good fortune to meet.

That sort of thing happened to my ex-father-in-law too. Really!

His mother had taken the newly-born child to the late Reverend

W.L. Moore to he christened.

"Name?" asked the Reverend.

Mrs. Missouri Locklear thought he meant, has the child been named


"No, sir," was her response.

Reverend Moore, thinking she had just given him the child's name,

wrote down: Nocie Locklear.

The state-name-bearing lady had too much respect for Reverend

Moore ever to rectify the error. And when a son was also born Nocie

Locklear, he named him Nocie Locklear Jr.

Neither of these gentlemen could ever be described as negative

types, no matter if their names are derivations of no sir--unusual

first names are a necessity with such numerous families in the

Lumbee River Valley as Locklear and others which bear the same surname.

Postal people have a heck of a time with names such as John Locklear.

There must be a hundred such Johns. Locklear telephone subscribers

in Robeson, with the Bell Telephone System alone in Robeson, is served

by the Bell Telephone System plus Carolina Telephone Company, run into

the hundreds, and it has been said that a riot may be created just by

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saying aa large public gathering: "Will Mr. Locklear please come

to the front of the building?" Chances are that half the congregation

would rise to its feet and come forward.

But the Indians are not the only ones in the valley with this

kind of problem. The same would probably happen if someone in the

same set of circumstances asked, "Will Mr. Mack please come forward?"

The Lumbee River Valley is not only Indian country. It is also Scotch--

so much that Maxton was named for them; in short, M-a-x-t-o-n- means

Mac's Town. Hundreds of businesses in Robeson are Scotch-titled.

One more anecdote on names and I'm through. A man who was about

with the Joneses is said to have declared,"I'm going so far away from

this place that I'll never see another Jones as long as I live!"

He went to a distant city but almost at once a sign confronted


"Good Heavens!" exclaimed the man "Here is where they make them!"

I will close here with a salute to Jo White Locklear, Queen Elizabeth

Oxendine, my half-brother Ponce de Leon Barton, Mrs. Pocahontas Locklear

and Tecumseh Brayboy. Also Pompado, Jesms Icum, Queen Esther, King

David, Colonel Aster, Manny Coon, Grown Man, Cooter Burg, Reverend

Doctor Fuller Lowry, Junie Locklear, Phene Bullard, Ritty Locklear,

Wyvonnie Locklear, Tiny Jones and all the ohher good people whose

names like my own, are not entirely to their liking. I leave them

all a wore of consolation, however. Any one of us just might have been

saddled with some such Appalachian as the personna of the song,"A Boy

Named Sue." Or like the name of a lady I pnce read about in New York

City whose name was Ima Hogg.

Note to the Oral History Program: In the forgoing I have attempted

to approach the problem of name duplication in the Lumbee River Valley

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by referring to the names humorously. But the problem of name

duplication is very real and very unfunny at times. I focus on the

matter of names because names are very important in other ways, too,

here. Lost Colony names are very numerous. Hamilton McMillan, the

father of Pembr.oke State University, and indeed of the entire Lumbee

Indian educational system, found fifty-three percent of all Lost Colony

names among the Indians here. And of course we have found other names

Lost Colony names among the Indians in addition to his research.



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