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Mr. Calvin Gibson (G)
Conehatta Community, Newton County, Mississippi
Interviewer: Dr. John K. Mahon (I)
December 4, 1973
Typed by: P. F. Williams
I: I'm John K. Mahon, and this is the fourth of December at
9:35 in the morning, in the principal's office of the Choc-
taw Central at the Choctaw Reservation, Philadelphia, Mis-
sissippi. I'm about to conduct an interview with Mr. Gib-
son. Mr. Gibson, will you just say your name?
G: My name is Calvin Gibson, and I'm a social worker for the
Choctaw Indian Agency.
I: And are you a full-blooded Choctaw?
G: Yes, I am. I'm a full-blooded Choctaw. My mother is full-
blooded Choctaw, my father is, too.
I: Which of the reservations.or whatever you call them around
here do you come from?
G: I belong to the Conehatta Community.
I: Right. How far is that? How far a trip.is'it?
G: It's forty miles from here. Forty miles from work every
I: Do you live here and travel around?
G: No. No, I live in Conehatta, and I come up to work forty
miles every day to Philadelphia.
I: Because your work is mostly around here and not in the
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G: Yes. The headquarters is Philadelphia, and I come to
Philadelphia and there I pick up my car. And my office
is there. And then I go to several other communities.
I go to Red Water Community, which is twenty-five miles
from here. And I go to Standing Pine Community, which
is approximately about the same distance, except it's
in a different area. And also Sandersville, which is
about ninety miles from here--I go one day out of the
month. So, I have to come in to my main office and
then from there go out to the field.
I: What'll happen to you if gas gets in short supply?
How many miles do you average in a day?
G: Oh, sometimes...right now, since the gas shortage,
we, uh...the GAC motorpool has sent us a statement on
it and-we're cutting down on our fieldwork days each
week. We're not going every day as like we used to.
We go two days out of the week now.
I: Only two.
G: Only two days. And try to cover these areas. And we
have other workers, too, in the office and try to utilize
all the people that works in the office and try to en-
courage the people to come in or meet us at some school
or meet us/at the reservation and use our workers that
they have in the reservation.
I: What's your age, Mr. Gibson, if you're not sensitive
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G: I'm age thirty-three.
I: Were you educated here at this Choctaw Central?
G: Uh, not mainly at Choctaw Central. Before, they had
a Pearl River Indian School. This is the Pearl River
Reservation, they named it Pearl River. And they had
a small school here and the school is not here anymore
because it's demolished, you know, and it just went
to the tenth grade. And I went as far as the tenth
grade, and then I went /4L se// Indian Institute
at Lawrence, Kansas, to finish my high school--last
two years, eleven and twelve. And when I finished
eleven and twelve, I went to junior college in New-
ton, which is below Conehattawhere I live, and finished
my junior college there. And I went to University of
Southern Mississippi at Hattiesburg, and finished my
last two years there.
I: Do you got a B. A. degree?
I: Did you take special work in social, uh...
G: Yes, I did.
I: ...social work?
G: And I'm still taking courses in social work now. The
social work school in Athens, Georgia, is giving me
correspondence course now, now, so...so that I can finish
and probably get a Master's degree and be a regular.-
fledged social worker, because that was not my major
when I first started out, see. My major was in elementary
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education when I first started out, but I substitute
teached for four months in the fourth grade, and I kind
of didn't...I found out that teaching, you have to stay
in most of the time, and cooped up in the place. And
most.of the classrooms we had was a one-room classroom,
you know. That they don't switch classes for different
things and no P. E.'s and so forth, soat that time when
I was substituting. So I just changed my major over to
social work and then I get more extra courses to become
a social worker.
G: And since then, last semester, I took Introduction to
Social Work course here, which was taught at night here
at the school. They have different colleges now that
brings courses to the reservation.
I: How many colleges do it, and what are they?
G: Well, Tougaloo College from Jackson--that's T-o-u-g-a-
l-o-o--they bring courses up here. I don't know what
type of courses, but it's...they're here Tuesdays and
Thursday, I believe. And then, University of Southern
brings courses here...
I: That's Hattiesburg?
G: Hattiesburg. They bring courses here, and Mississippi
State at one time did, prior to this time. But I don't
believe they're here now. And then also Mississippi
State is AC dourses, not here, but to Meridian Junior
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College, where you can go to school, attend school there,
in the daytime or night, and get a degree there. You
don't have to go to Mississippi State at Starkville,
which is about sixty or seventy miles from here.
I: Will these courses you're getting work toward a Master's
G: Um-hmm, trying to.
I: You're aiming for that.
I: When you got a Master's degree, would you be entitled
to higher pay scales?
G: Yes, yes, I would. I would be...right now, my title is
Social Service Representative, not a regular social
worker, but you...the.social worker is just one social
worker there, at the position there. And we are represen-
tative from their working from the area. And when you
get to be a full-fledged social worker, you can get more
pay and a better grade position, see.
I: Who's youremployer?
G: Well, I work for the agency, that's under the agency.
But, then, we have different departments, we have about
twelve or thirteen departments in the agency itself, see.
I: Well now, is that...you're working for the tribe orAyou
working for the BIA?
G: No, I'm working for the BIA.
I: I see.
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G: Yes, this is under the Bureau of Indian Affairs and
in-the Social Service Department. And we have other
departments like Employment Assistance, and Credit
Administration, and Home Economics, and Maintenance,
and programs and so forth, see. They have all depart-
ments in there to represent the people and try to work
with a relationship with the tribe program.
I: Now, were you...was Choctaw your native tongue? Did
the first language you ever spoke Choctaw, or...?
G: Yes. That's as far as I know, that's all we spoke in
the home when we grew up. And we have nine boys and
a girl in the home.
I: Good Heavens! This is your brothers and sisters?
G: Yes, my brothers and sisters, and we all spoke Choctaw
until we left home and went to school and learned how
to talk English, and...
I: You learned how to talk English in school.
G: Um-hmm. [affirmative]
I: That's interesting.
G: And well, when I went to school here, I spoke English
but not all that good, and I guess I still don't speak
it fluently enough where other people speaks it. But
I try my best. When I was in high school I didn't
speak it all that good, till I came to college, and
then, when I took English, I found out that English
course was the hardest course that I ever took! I
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took it two years in a row. I took English...first
English One and English Two, and I didn't make a good
grade. I made a D. So the second year, my sophomore
year, I took it over again. My advisor said that I
didn't have to take it.' He said, "You passed it."
I said, "Yes, but with a low grade." So I took it
over again to see if I could do better, and I made
one grade up, you know. But he said usually English
One and English Two is a hard course for even an
English-speaking people, he said. Even people who
spoke it all their lives can not major in English
or can not speak good English or whatever, he said.
But in the home, we don't...in my home we don't talk
English all that much. I speak Choctaw every day.
I: Well, you're married, I suppose...
I: ...and have a family of your own.
G: Well, I don't have no kids of my own. I have two
foster children that I keep.
I: Oh, do you? Are they Choctaw kids?
G: Um-hmm, they're Choctaw kids. But we speak Choctaw
in the home all the time, and whatever we do. We go
to church, we speak in Choctaw, we sing in Choctaw,
read the Bible in Choctaw, we...it's not that I'm
against white English, it's just that that's what I'm
used to. If I'm used to English--just like at work.
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When I'm at work, I speak English every day.
I: But .your fullest expression, to really get down to
the nuts and bolts of it, would be Choctaw.
I: You'd feel you could get through better.
G: I could get through better.with Choctaw. Since we're
Choctaws here, we can talk Choctaw much better than
we can do English, I believe.
I: Have you got any idea what is so difficult about English
for a Choctaw speaker? You remember what hung you up,
as they say? Could you analyze that?
I: I don't know the mechanics of Choctaw language a'tall,
G: Well, but this is what I see, though. I've seen a white
man can speak Indian languages as good as I can. In fact,
there's a man in church. -He's named Mr. Parrish, Mr.
Bill Parrish. He's a preacher. He can talk Cherokee,
and he can...he taught it one time. Taught it and
taught the writings of it. When we was at his home
several years ago, he showed it to us about the lan-
guage. My brother--my youngest brother sort of, he's
eleven,now--when he was small...when a baby's small,
whether he's white, black, or Choctaw, whatever you
teach him when he's a little kid, that's what he'll
learn. My little brother, he spoke English from
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very little, and when he was born and ready to talk
they spoke EnglishAand all, and he didn't know any
Choctaw until he went to school. Till he went to
school and played with other Indian kids, and then
they talked Choctaw to him and that's where he picked
it up. And he...right now, if he talk2Choctaw to you,
he'll have this broken type that speaks English
so much that his Choctaw language does not come out
I: Well, I mean, what are the critical differences?
When you're talking English, is it a problem remem-
bering the words, or thinking up the words...
I: ...or is it the verbs, the action words, or what?
G: ...trying to think it up, see. And another thing
is that if I read here, if I read a line, I read
it backwards sort of, see, in Choctaw. Like I
can say in English, "I go to work" but then, when
I speak in Choctaw, I say "work" first and bring
it back this way. See, when I speak English and
talk Choctaw...when I speak English I go this way,
and when I talk Choctaw I'm coming backwards.
I: The action words in Choctaw come first, what we
call English verbs?
G: Yes, uh-huh. That's right.
I: I see.
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G: That's right. You don't necessarily say it in a way
that we talk. Like if I'have to translate what they
said, I'm going to have to be saying it sort of back-
wards but still say the same thing, see.
I: Ccn you read Choctaw?
G: Well, the Bible I can.
I: Only the Bible?
G: The Bible and the songbook. I guess they have a Choc-
taw kind of a dictionary-book. It's called definer.
Somebody put that out and I can read that. I can read
most of it. But it's the writing part. I don't know
if there's a writing-letters for Choctaws. I haven't
seen it if it is. Some people do write it on their
own, you know, just...
I: But you can't. You know where the written language
G: No, sir.
I: The missionaries put it together.
G: Yes, sir.
I: Almost throughout the country they did. And it's
something they developed from(listening)I guess--what
you'd call phonetically ,lfIt ...
G: Yes, phonetically. That's what I was going to say.
Because some of this spelling don't seem to say the
words that you're saying, but then they use this long
"A" or long or short form, you know, the way you'say
it, and the way phonetically you put it together, you
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know. I'm pretty sure when I take phonetics in high
school--I mean, college--they'd show some of these
things. Like even your own name, you know. Like,
my name is Calvin, but you can read it with a "K"
and then K-a-i with a hyphen-type in between and
put v-i-n, and then you can have almost the same
things as the way you say it.
I: Have you got an Indian name?
I: Just this name.
G: Just this name, and I always wondered, you know, way
back, like my father's time and his father's time and
his time...in other words,,my name, how did happen to
become a Gibson given to an Indian, you know. Things
like this, but I never...
I: That's interesting about the Florida Indians. Their
names sound more Indian. I mean, your name could be
Scotch or English or anything else, but you know,
the chairman of the Miccosukee tribe is Buffalo Tiger,
and it wouldn't anybody mistake that.
G: That's right.
I: But then you've got a lot of family names here like
Seminole. I mean, I've met some people named Jim
around here--last name.
G: Yes, sir.
I: And Billy, a last name. Those are Seminole names.
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G: Um-hmm, Seminole.- But when you get out West, in the
West, you really go to Indian names.
G: Like Broke Shoulder and White Head, and so forth.
I: Yeah, that type of thing.
I: Well, I knew how you feel about you and...you had to
go out to the Haskell Institute to complete your educa-
tion. I guess because they didn't admit the Indians
to white schools here.
G: Well, then, I don't know if that was really necessary
or not,.because some kids--just some--went to public
school in Meridian, I guess...
I: From your generation?
G: Yes, ,at the time that I went to Haskell. But it was
just that my father and mother, you know, strongly
wanted us to get an education, and if we went to a
boarding school,1we would get it. See, we stayed at
the school, at the boarding school, and you could
take the type of education you wanted,-and if you
wanted...and also, these schools had vocations with
it. And what my father had said wasA "If you're not
college material, then you can take some of this vo-
cation and learn some skill so you can fall back on
I: Did you do it?
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G: Well, I took a vocations; and I use it once in a while.
I: What was it?
G: Bakery. I took welding for a while, but my eye...when
I was thirteen years old, I was fixing a fence, and I
took that nail out, you know--this U-type nail?--and I
wasn't holding the wire, and it popped out and it hit mV
eye on this side, this right eye. Ever since then, I
can't use it very well. I mean, I use it pretty good
sometimes, but then, like welding, when I was welding--
the sparks and all?--my eye got affected on it, and I
couldn't see as well in order to weld. So, I had to
change vocation and when I did, I just took bakery.
I didn't think I'd ever use it, but...when I took my
achievement test, I made high enough to go to college.
So I said, well, I probably won't use it. But any-
way, I took bakery and then I worked...I took bakery
for about six weeks and a part-time job opened up in
Lawrence, Kansas, for a night position. My boss asked
me if I wanted to go. I said, I'm not doing well enough
to take the job. He said, "Yeah, you can learn." So
that's how I paid...my father and my mother...my mother
didn't work at that time. My father was the only person
that worked and didn't make all that much, either, so
I worked at school. And me and my brothr--my younger
brother went to Haskell--and we kind of bought our
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own clothes and spending money. Then we didn't depend
on him for two years, see, through Haskell. And then
during the summer I stayed there and worked in the
bakery. And then when I came here and went to school,
finished my. last two years at Hattiesburg, I worked
at bakeries'at night. So...so the vocational that I
took in -hrgtr-sctrh helped me to finish my schooling.
I didn't have to borrow any money from Student Loan
br whatever, see. I just worked, and since then, several
times since I been out of school, if I'm out of work
or at Christmastime or Thanksgiving time, the bakery
S lOf*v-i. might call me, says, "I need you to
come and help me a little bit, if you want to moon-
light a little bit," says. So I go and do that some-
times, you know. And I feel that I been blessed with
the skill that I've got, that I-use it to help myself
and use it to help other people, too.
I: Sure. That's a very interesting thing to have picked
G: And I don't feel badly about going away to school. I'm
not saying that...I wouldn't say that just because In-
dians couldn't go to white schools you went to Haskell.
I mean, I don't think it's necessary to say that, because
a person, even though what you can do here at home, if
you want to go somewhere bad enough, no one's going to
keep you here. Even if you want to go to public school,
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or even if you can do anything "(AA/L 7 ti^ /C,
people can do here, if you want to go out west nobody's
going to keep you here.
I: How'd you feel about the boarding school experience
as a way of living?
G: I believe it helped me. I believe it did. You learn
to rely on yourself--responsibility, another thing. But
most of the time you're home, your mother takes care of
your clothing, irons for you, wash for you, and all of
that. Wake you up every morning and say go...you eat
breakfast in time to go to school. But this way, at
boarding school, you did your own thing. You washed
your own clothes, you ironed your own clothes. And
then you eat at the time they eat. You got up on
your own--shoulder a little responsibility for your-
self. And WvJthv'r school starts, you're supposed
to be there so you go on your own. Nobody have to
push you there at school time, you got to go to school,
things like that.
I: Don't they send some Indian kids to boarding schools
who are more or less incorrigible at home?
G: Um-hmm. [affirmative]
I: There were four or five Seminole boys around here who'd
been sent here because their folks couldn't handle them.
G: That's true.
I: Are there any still here?
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G: Uh, yes, there's some that's here.
I: How do they get along? Do you know?
G: I think they get along pretty good. The other day
we was talking to one in our office. Financially, his
folks wasn't able to help him, so he asked us if we
could help him. And we're gonna put him to work for
a couple of hours every evening to earn spending money.
He's a senior so he...his ring and so forth-whatever
seniors need to graduate, you know, they have to buy it
on their own. So we help kids, and this Osceola boy's
still here that we know of. And he played football
for a couple of years--___ good football players.
I: Yeah, a lot of them are very good football players.
Well, are many of your people that you know of have
gone and got a college degree as you have?
G: Quite a few of them.
G: Quite a few of them did before I did. I was...that's
sort of...that's why a lot of people wants to finish,
I believe. Someone else went and finished. Someone
else got a Master's degree. Someone gotza Doctor's
degree. Stuff like that that kind of puts you in your
mind that if this Choctaw can do it, you can do it.
The principal of the school here, Choctaw Central, is
my brother, and he went...
I: Oh, yeah. What's his...what are his first names?
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G: Jimmy. Jimmy Gibson.
I: He's got a middle name, too. Jimmy...
G: Jimmy Lee.
I: Now, I met him when we were here in March, you see, when
we first put the proposition to them whether they wanted
to accept this as a tribal business, yeah. Oh, he's
G: Um-hmm, yeah.
I: I see. Well, have you known many people of your genera-
tion that left the reservatiorwent off and got embedded
in the white society?
G: I really...
I: You know any?
G: No. No, I don't.
I: They mostly come back.
G: Yes, some come back, and some stay away. But I don't know
if they embedded in the white society. That's not...I don't
know if that's the reason they're not back or what.
I: Do they come back to visit?
G: Yes, they come back to visit. They come back to visit at
least once a year oq maybe a couple of years later or what-
ever. I have another brother that lives in Denver, Colo-
rado--actually Colorado Springs. He works for the Army as
a civilian. He's a safety instructor, and'he finished col-
lege at Southeastern State Teacher's College i ( i /
Oklahoma. Majored in mathematics, I believe it was, and
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I: How long's he lived out there?
G: Oh, three or four years now.
I: Um-hmm. You think he'll eventually come back to the
G: He might. He's had chances to come back to teach here,
but he just...he just wants to stay out there, I believe.
Kind of less complicated, probably, I don't know.
I: What draws'em back? So many Indians that have been brought
up on reservations do come back sooner or later. What
would you say does it?
G: To answer your question...
I: It's okay.
G: To answer your question, I do not...I couldn't quite
specifically say why they come back. Sometimes because
quite a few people has lived in Chicago or Memphis, Ten-
nessee, or somewhere for several years--like say, ten
years or something. Then they come back and live here.
And I don't know, it's because maybe they've lived away
so long that they...for the last few years or how many
years that they'll live, they got left to live, they'll
probably just come back to their home town and stay with
the people...whatever happens...I do not know. I can't
specifically say why, because, if it's for jobs, we don't
have good jobs like Chicago or Tennessee or whatever.
And if they don't have no education or whatever, then we...
actually we don't have nothing too much to offer to peo-
ple like that that has been in a good position elsewhere,
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see. And then they come back here and have to get a
lower paying job.
I: Well now, you live on the Conehatta reservation, is
G: That's right.
I: And nobody on a reservation can own the ground, can
I: I mean, you can't own real estate.
G: I lease mine.
I: You lease what? The house?
G: I lease a twenty-five acre piece and for twenty-five
I: From whom? The tribe?
G: From the tribe.
I: And how about the house?
G: The house I built on it and I'm paying for the house
myself. And they said that...and they said as long as
I pay the lease, and I've paid up my twenty-five year
lease, so I can live on there twenty-five years.
I: You'mean you've paid that clear?
G: Um-hmm. [affirmative]
I: You don't owe anything?
G: No. No, I don't, because I...
I: But you're having to pay on the house.
G: On the house, I do. On the house, I still do. I still
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got about nine more years and I'll have it paid.
I: Well, what happens to the house at the end of twenty-
five years? I mean...
G: Well, I can lease it...well, it's a twenty-five year
optional, and you get twenty-five and you actually can
live there fifty, see, twenty-five more years optional
I: Could you leave it to...
I: ...a descendant?
G: Yes, sir.
I: You could will the house?
G: Um-hmm. [affirmative]
I: And so that little piece of land could really stay under
the control of your family...
G: For a period of fifty years, maybe. And then after that,
then you re-lease it if...one reason I wanted to do a
twenty-five year optional deal on it was that, you know,
we had this tribal council thing--representatives from
I: I know.
G: And if I did it one year at a time, maybe...and I'm
buying a house, I built a house on it myself. The tribe
didn't build it for me, the other special programs that
they have, HUD program or whatever, didn't build it for
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me. I built it on my own, you see. And one thing I
did that was that this tribal council representative
is every two years. This year/tribal council might
sign my two-year lease. But then, if a new man comes
in and he decides he didn't like me, he could turn my
I: And there you'd be.
G: And there I'd be with a house and no land, see.
I: Did that ever happen, in your knowledge?
G: Not that I know of, not that I know of.
I: That's a.;.theoretically it could.
G: That's a theoretically, in my mind-that I...when I took
that house, built that house and paid some on it. I had
some money and borrowed some money with it, too, and it
was going to take me ten years to pay it out. And I
just saidAif this might could happen--it may not hap-
pen at all--but I want to take safety precautions on
it just in case.
I: Well, I'll tell you. I'd like to ask you something and
then probably we'd better end it because there'd be other'
waiting. But, uh, tell me what a social worker does in
a community like this. Just give me some idea what...the
things you do.
G: Well, our program consists of general assistance program.
When we say "general assistance" that's assisting people
that are needy in general, not in certain, uh, not in
certain categories, but if they are needy. And we help
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them because...first maybe because of death in the family.
Maybe the husband is dead and the wife never worked and
has kids to feed, and we have to come in get resources for
them. But, actually, first we help them for a month or
two, then we get the county to help, the state to help.
If the husband worked, we try to get Social Security for
them. If he was a veteran, we try to find veteran com-
pensation for them. We're sort of a resource agent-type,
you know. We don't actually help. Our agency does not
directly help the people all the time, but we get resources
for them, -Like Social Security is one that a lot of people
don't know about that you can get when the husband dies--
has been working, if he has enough quotas--that he can get
help. Lot of people don't know that, so we got to come in
and help them. Tell the wife, "This is what you can do,
and we'll help you fill out those papers and work them
out." If he was a veteran, we try to work VA compensation
out for the kids. But the main thing, sort of, all these
resources--I like to bring this out first--is that whether
he's veteran or Social Security or whatever they can get,
if they weren't legally married, the kids can not get help.
And that's one of the main things around here, that people
cohabit together and won't realize or can not realize or
doesn't realize that the kids, in the end, are gonna be
the one'who's neglected or can not get the help. Because
we've e so many cases like that, lately. Like if the man
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and woman lived together for ten or fifteen years, then
all of a sudden he dies. But the kids, they actually put
it in his name but the man wasn't legally married to her
and regulations say that they got to be legally married
before they can get VA compensation or they can get Social
Security. And this is one problem that we have, that we
do. And then we take care of child welfare programs, that
is, putting kids in foster homes that's taken by the court
or parent's consent or whatever. And then we work with
juvenile delinquency program. We have a Choctaw Youth
Development Center here, and it's sort of a prevention
program for the younger kids so that they will not go
to the state training school. But if the Youth Center
could not control these kids and they keep on being un-
controllable, then they will eventually end up in the
state training school. And we provide program for sort
of...we're not an adoption agency. We can not do that,
the state has to do that. But we help in a way for that
type of program. But those are our programs that we cover
the whole area where there's Indians lives, that's where
we're at, really. Supposed to have jurisdiction limit
but usually we don't. We serve this area, Choctaw
""^A'C- then we also serve an area in Louisiana, the
"CI A, / L A Indian .
I: Yes. I've called on the head man of the c4_ _r __ __
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G: You did.
I: Yeah. LeRoy Burgess.
I: Have you met him?
G: I haven't. My boss....
I: You don't go down there, do you? ee i
G: My boss went down there, and he...Mr. Harry __, he's
a nice young man, too. He...
I: I haven't met him.
G: No, he's my boss,Social Service Center. He supervises the
whole area of the Social Service Department. He's a nice
young man. I like to work for him, very good man.
I: Well, why do they send the social work out of here? Why
don't the Ghitea.e.as-z pick it up themselves? They're
G: Yeah. I do not know. I mean, actually social working all
together. We're not working problems case by case there.
All we do is sort of an advising agency, I believe. It's
under this agency.
G: ChittaLLicha's under this agency.
I: I noticed that in the National Congress of American Indians,
the handbook they put out. They're official.
G: Yes, sir. They're officially under this agency...
I: But you know, they've got a little headquarters. I've been
in it. And they have a reservation of something like two
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hundred and eighty-two acres. They got...
G: Is that right?
I: Yeah, three hundred and fifty people or something like
that. They got a nice little place. It's a real, real
attractive little reservation.
G: Yeah, Mr. .112. took pictures of the office build-
ing and so forth, and we saw them.
I: They're building a new craft shop and so on. It's gonna
be a beaut. And the headquarters go in there. Well, but
you're a field worker, so in this process you're describing
you go out and talk to the people.
G: Yes, we set up field days in, communities. Like, you know,
we have seven communities and most of the communities, they
have school...and like the area that I go, they have a
school and I have an office space there where I say I'll
be there. Say, like Red Water I go to Wednesdays and I
say I'll be there at ten o'clock, between ten and twelve.
And so the Outreach worker over there / announces
that the social worker will be here between ten and twelve
at the school and you can come meet him. And then I have
already set up some people that I want to see myself, that
I have records up there. After ten to twelve, then I go
make a home visit to the homes that I'm supposed to visit
for that day. And then some people, if they got a way to
come up here to the office, then they come up to the office.
Practically every day we got people-in the office all the
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I: Well now, you say sometimes you run a little tape recorder
G: Um-hmm. [affirmative]
I: What is the object?
G: Well, the object of that is we got to keep sort of a report
on what we do each day, or what the man said to me and I
said to him, or whatever. Like his age, he doesn't know
his birthdate or whatever, then we take sources from him
so...that man knew.-a long time ago, ;7J( : -f('A. I lived
for so .f9. I take it in tape and then I have to get
it typed to have it in the records so that I can follow
this up, see. I tape the case reviews just to sort of
a narrative I got to put in the report, uh, in his record
so that I can keep this. I got to make a narrative any-
way, so I want to tape it so I want to know what he says,
I: But now, you get out into the field, if I remember what
you told me earlier, two days a week. And what do you
do the rest of the time?
G: I stay in the office and take care of records.
I: Put the cases in order and all.
G: Right. And most of the time when we're there, we're not
there all the time. We have like this school, they might
have a kid, a student here at this school might have a
problem and wants to talk to a social worker. Well, they
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call us and we say well, we'll come over there and talk
with him. And we come over here and talk to the kids here.
And I try to understand their problems, whatever problem
they have, you know. So actually, we don't...we're kind
of spread out thin right now. We have three workers in
the field and our boss and two secretaries. But we ac-
tually don't stay there all the time. We have work all
the time. If some marriage counseling has to be done,
we go. Family counseling...just practically almost every-
thing that we do.
I: Have the other field workers got traininggsuch as you've
G: Yes. We try to...well, individual education, that's up
to the individual whether if he wants to go on and further
his education. That's up to them. That's mainly a thing
if they want to get more training, then...if the training
is under the social service, then we all do the same type
I: Right. Well, I expect we'd better end, Mr. Gibson, because
Mr. Wilson's waiting to talk to me.
G: All right.
I: Switch it off, will you please...?
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