Interview with Pauline Gadbury October 17 1973

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Interview with Pauline Gadbury October 17 1973
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Kataba Indians -- Florida
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Interviewee: Pauline Gadbury

Interviewer: Frances Wade

October 17, 1973



Interviewee: Pauline Gadbury
Interviewer: Frances Wade
October 17, 1973

In an attempt to save a drowning crop, Pauline Gadbury
remembers wading into a flooded riverbottom to pull the remaining
corn. These and other memories of her childhood give a brief
glimpse of life on the Catawba Indian reservation as she was
growing up.

Interviewer: Frances Wade
Interviewee: Mrs. Pauline Gadbury
Date: October 17, 1973

W: This is Frances Wade. I live on Route 3, Box 304, Rock Hill,
South Carolina. Today is October 17, 1973. I am talking to
Pauline Gadbury. Pauline would you tell us your full name.

G: Pauline Angeline Gadbury.

W: Where do you live?

G: In Stockton, California.

W: Would you give your full address?

G: 429 East Anderson Street, Stockton, California.

W: Who were your parents?

G: Sally and Anthony Wade.

W: Who were your grandparents?

G: Ben and Mary Harris.

W: Pauline, what did your mother do for a living?

G: She worked in textile mill.

W: Did your mother ever make Indian pottery?

G: Yes.

W: Did you help?

G: Yes.

W: Can you remember any early stories that some of the older
indians might have told when you were small?

G: I can not remember that far.

W: All right, can you remember what it was like during holidays such
as Christmas, Thanksgiving?

G: Well, I guess it was very poor because we did not have very much.

W: Did you get anything for Christmas?

G: Sometimes we did and sometimes we did not.

W: When you were growing up, were there bags of fruit given out at
Christmas time?


G: Yes.

W: It was the same way with us and I thought maybe it might have
been the same with you. When you were a child, what was it like
at your home? Everybody thinks Indians lived in tepees, how did
you live?

G: We lived in a log house.

W: All right, would you tell us a little bit more about your home?

G: Well, we lived in a house just like anybody else. We had
furniture like other folks.

W: Did you have electricity in your home?

G: No, we used kerosene lamps.

W: Did you have a heater or did you use the fireplace for heat?

G: We used the fireplace. I worked in the home and helped my mother
to keep house. I worked in the fields also. I remember once
when we had corn in the riverbottom and the river got out of its
bank. We had to wade out and pull the corn to keep from losing
it all. I was scared and I guess all the rest of us were too.

W: Do you remember how old you were at that time?

G: I must have been about ten or eleven years old.

W: Well, this must have been a frightening thing for you to go out
in the water like that? (Yes) What do you remember about

G: I remember we went to church all the time. My mother sent us to

W: Did you live far away from church?

G: Not too far.

W: Do you remember how old you were when you started school?

G: No I do not.

W: Do you remember who your teachers were?

G: Yes, Elder Dans, Sister Smith and Elder Hayes.

W: Did you walk to school?

G: Yes.

W: What was it like at school?


G: Well, I went to learn, to get an education. It was a lot of fun
being with other people, being in the school with other children
and learning.

W: How was your school heated?

G: With wood heaters.

W: Who brought in the wood?

G: The children did.

W: That was great fun, was it not?

G: Yes.

W: How did you get your water?

G: We carried it from a well with buckets.

W: Who did that?

G: The children.

W: Did you have many classes a day? Did you get to go in a room by
yourself or was the room full of all grades?

G: The room was full of all grades.

W: What happened when it was your turn to go to a class?

G: They just called the grade, the grade that had to go up.

W: Where did you go?

G: Up on the stage.

W: We sat on some benches did we not?

G: Yes.

W: Is there anything that stands out in your mind about school that
you can think of now?

G: No, not now.

W: Is there anything about your teachers, anything that happened
where they are concerned that sticks out in your mind?

G: No.

W: Did you go to high school?

G: No.


W: Have you had any further training?

G: Yes. In Stockton, California, I went to school for six months to
train as a nurse's aide.

W: Can you tell us a little more about that?

G: Yes, I went to the NPDA school. I went to school for half a day
and I worked in the hospital for half the day until we completed
our training. The day we graduated some government officials
flew down from Washington and presented us with our pins and our
diplomas. Then we could go to work in the hospital.

W: Who paid for this? Did you pay for your training?

G: No, the government did.

W: The government paid for it. Have you been working since that

G: Yes.

W: Do you work in a hospital, or where do you work now?

G: Now I work in a private rest home.

W: I know you are married, would you tell us who you married?

G: My first marriage, the father of my children, was A.J. Petty. He
passed away and then I married James F. Cox. He died three years
ago and since I have remarried to Gene Gadbury.

W: How many children do you have

G: Two.

W: Who are they?

G: John Wayne Petty and Sheila Rita Osborne.

W: Do you have grandchildren?

G: Yes.

W: How many do you have?

G: Nine.

W: Do you think that your children have a greater opportunity than
what you had when you were growing up?

G: Yes.

W: Can you cite some of the opportunities that they have that you
did not?


G: Yes, they can go and do different types of work that we could not
when we were coming up. They can go into different department
stores and work now. When we were coming up, we could not do
those things.

W: What about their school? What about their education?

G: Well, they can go to more schools than we could when we were
coming up, so they can get a better education than we did.

W: Do you belong to any church?

G: Yes.

W: What church do you belong to?

G: I belong to the Mormon church.

W: I know that your children are grown and they have families of
their own, but I know that you are active in your community in
California. Have you ever voted?

G: No.

W: Have you ever registered to vote?

G: No.

W: Have you ever thought about voting?

G: No.

W: Do you have any reason for not voting?

G: Well no, I do not have reasons, but I have never voted. I just
thought, well, what is the use for me to go vote now.

W: I know that most of your friends in California are white. I know
that you get along with the whites. Do you get along, or do you
have friends among the blacks?

G: Yes.

W: How do you feel about being an Indian?

G: I do not know. I feel like I cannot tell anyone how I feel. I
know that the Indians are the only true Americans there are, so I
am proud to be one. That is all I can say, I am proud to be an