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Interview with Rev. C. E. Locklear, July 22, 1969

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Interview with Rev. C. E. Locklear, July 22, 1969
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Locklear, C. E. ( Interviewee )
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Florida History ( local )
Lumbee Oral History Collection ( local )
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Lumbee County (Fla.)

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Samuel Proctor Oral History Program, Department of History, University of Florida
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INTERVIEWER: Adolph Dial

INTERVIEWEE: Reverend C. E. Locklear

July 22, 1969


D: ...of Pembroke, July the twenty-second, 1969. Brother Locklear has

the distinction as serving as the first mayor, first elected Indian

mayor of the city of Pembroke. Brother Locklear, how old are you?

L: I am seventy-two years old. I was born June eighth, 1897.

D: When did you serve as mayor of Pembroke?

L: I was elected in 1950, 67, 1957, 50, pardon, let's start that again.

D: Let's see, let me repeat that question. When, when were you elected

as mayor of Pembroke?

L: I was elected in 1948.

D: At the time you were elected as the first Lumbee mayor of the city

of Pembroke or the town of Pembroke, how many served on your town

council?

L: At the time I served as mayor there were two Indians and two white

commissioners.

D: And of course you being Indian, this gave the Indians a majority if

you look at it just from the standpoint of vote and race, doesn't it?

L: That's correct, sir.

D: But I suppose that the issue was always important and it was not really

a thing of race, but it was the issue and I imagine as well as I remember,

there was lots of cooperation. Everything went along smoothly.

L: That's correct, Mr. Dial. In all of my term as mayor I never had to

vote but one time and that was the question of electing a chief of










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police and our split was one Indian and one white on each side. It

was not a question of race and of course that's the only time I ever

had to vote and I broke the tie.

D: Well, I think that's very, that's very remarkable and this shows that

you served the town well as mayor and the fact that you didn't have

to come in and have to. make so many decisions with your vote to

break a tie. Now before your time how was the mayor of Pembroke chosen?

L: Before my time the mayor and commissioners were appointed by the

governor of the state.

D: The mayor and the commissioners were appointed by the governor of the

state. Now, Brother Locklear, knowing you over the years you've been

a very successful business man and also a successful minister, you're

still in the ministry, when did you begin in the ministry?

L: I began in the ministry in the year of 1919. That was my first year

to serve as a pastor at one of our Baptist churches.

D: This was right after World War I.

L: That's correct.

D: Did you go into World War I?

L: No, I missed World War I by just a matter of a few days.

D: Yes, that's right, you were perhaps not quite old enough right at that

time. As you look back in your boyhood days, now you were born in

Lbelieve, what, about 1893?

L: L897.

D; No, 1897, yes, In 1897, looking back to around the turn of the century

right after the twentieth century came in, as a boy and you think back









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among the Lumbee Indians as we know them today, would you mention,

I know you can't mention everybody and all of their names might

not come to your mind, but who do you consider some of the early

leaders back in your boyhood days and some, some of those who made

a contribution to the race?

L: Mr. Dial, I think of one outstanding man. He was a preacher as well

as a teacher, Reverend W. L. Moore. I went to him to school. I went

to his church and he was my ideal as a minister and as a teacher.

So I think that my good friend, Reverend, Mr. Moore, made in that day

the greatest contribution to the Indian race.

D: I barely remember seeing the late W. L. Moore. Oh, perhaps I remember

seeing him in the pulpit once or twice, but I still hear people today

talk about many of the text that he used on various sermons and at

funerals and he seemed to be able to always take a text that was

so appropriate for the occasion, and people do speak well of him as

an educator and as a minister back in his day. Brother Locklear, as

I look at the Lumbee race today in Robeson and joining counties, I

find them a very successful people and a very hard working people and

I believe that probably has made more progress fighting the odds

over the years than any other group of Indians without a doubt in the

United States and perhaps have been more successful considering the

opportunity than most groups whether they be minority or minority

groups in the United States. And looking at their success~today

what are some of the contributing factors that seem to be very im-

portant and happen to make these people very successful people?










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L: Mr. Dial, of course there are several great factors that play in that.

Let me mention one or two. First of all the Indian people are smart.

They are good workers. They'll give you a good days work for the

pay, but the main factor that I would consider that has contributed

to the progress and the success of the Indian people in the last

years have been education, better schools, better teachers.

D: That's better schools and better education. How would you compare,

of course I know it's really not a good question, but it's really

not a comparison, but what was school like in your boyhood days?

Would you just give me a, oh, if you could look back in your elementary

school days, what was it like?

L: I, my early days I went to the little one-teacher school. Mr.

Foster Sampson was my teacher and of course he taught all grades

in the one building, and as I think of that school now, it of course,

that long ago disappeared. I also went to Prospect School and we

had the little one-room building. Now at Prospect High School and

Elementary School combined they have...teachers...

D: I suppose they have close to forty today.

L: They got:about forty teachers, where in my first schooling we had one

teacher in the one-room building.

D: Was this teacher the Reverend W.L. Moore?

L: Yes, he was. Mr. Moore was my teacher.

D: Now where was the Barton School located?

L: The little Barton Schoolhouse was about a mile and a half out from

Prospect. Now that was the first school I went to, was the Barton

Schoolhouse, and we had, of course little school buildings dotted in










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various places throughout the county with one teacher in one school.

D: Now this of course was before the normal at Pates in 1887.

L: Yes, that's correct.

D: I see, now this Barton School was, this was up by, yes, was that near,

a mile and a half, let's see, a mile and a half from Prospect in which

direction?

L: North.

D: North, up around the old, what was known as the Mac Barton place, up

in that direction.

L: That's correct.

D: I see. Brother Locklear, considering the Lumbees of Robeson and .adjoining

counties, I know you've served as pastor in adjoining counties,:you've

preached many funerals in adjoining counties and so forth, what would

you consider over the years has been the basic difference among the

Lumbees in Robeson and adjoining counties?

L: Mr. Dial, I think that we are all the same people. I think the

difference is the opportunities that have been afforded to all the Indians

in Robeson County. We have had a better chance. The fact of the matter

is that more Indians lived in Robeson County than in any other of the

adjoining counties. Therefore they had just a little bit more political

pull and recognized to a great extent than the Indians in other counties.

D: Thank you, Brother Locklear, and I certainly would have to agree with

all you've said and thanks-a lot for the interview. This is Adolph

Dial, Associate Professor of History, Pembroke State College, July the

twenty-second, 1969.





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L/M 227A LUM 227A Page 1. INTERVIEWER: Adolph Dial INTERVIEWEE: Reverend C. E. Locklear July 22, 1969 D: ... of Pembroke, July the twenty-second, 1969. Brother Locklear has the distinction as serving as the first mayor, first elected Indian mayor of the city of Pembroke. Brother Locklear, how old are you? L: I am seventy-two years old. I was born June eighth, 1897. D: When did you serve as mayor of Pembroke? L: I was elected in 1950, 67, 1957, 50, pardon, let's start that again. D: Let's see, let me repeat that question. When, when were you elected as mayor of Pembroke? L: I was elected in 1948. D: At the time you were elected as the first Lumbee mayor of the city of Pembroke or the town of Pembroke, how many served on your town council? L: At the time I served as mayor there were two Indians and two white commissioners. D: And of course you being Indian, this gave the Indians a majority if you look at it just from the standpoint of vote and race, doesn't it? L: That's correct, sir. D: But I suppose that the issue was always important and it was not really a thing of race, but it was the issue and I imagine as well as I remember, there was lotsvof cooperation. Everything went along smoothly. L: That's correct, Mr. Dial. In all of my term as mayor I never had to vote but one time and that was the question of electing a chief of

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LUM 227A Page 2. dib police and our split was one Indian and one white on each side. It was not a question of race and of course that's the only time I ever had to vote and I broke the tie. D: Well, I think that's very, that's very remarkable and this shows that you served the town well as mayor and the fact that you didn't have to come in and have to. make so many decisions with your vote to break a tie. Now before your time how was the mayor of Pembroke chosen? L: Before my time the mayor and commissioners were appointed by the governor of the state. D: The mayor and the commissioners were appointed by the governor of the state. Now, Brother Locklear, knowing you over the years you've been a very successful business man and also a successful minister, you're still in the ministry, when did you begin in the ministry? L: I began in the ministry in the year of 1919. That was my first year to serve as a pastor at one of our Baptist churches. D: This was right after World War I. L: That's correct. D: Did you go into World War I? L: No, I missed World War I by just a matter of a few days. D: Yes, that's right, you were perhaps not quite old enough right at that time. As you look back in your boyhood days, now you were born in Lb'elieye, what, about 1893? L: L897. D; No, 1897, yes, In 1897, looking back to around the turn of the century right after the twentieth century came in, as a boy and you think back

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LUM 227A Page 3. dib among the Lumbee Indians as we know them today, would you mention, I know you can't mention everybody and all of their names might not come to your mind, but who do you consider some of the early leaders back in your boyhood days and some, some of those who made a contribution to the race? L: Mr. Dial, I think of one outstanding man. He was a preacher as well as a teacher, Reverend W. L. Moore. I went to him to school. I went to his church and he was my ideal as a minister and as a teacher. So I think that my good friend, Reverend, Mr. Moore, made in that day the greatest contribution to the Indian race. D: I barely remember seeing the late W. L. Moore. Oh, perhaps I remember seeing him in the pulpit once or twice, but I still hear people today talk about many of the text that he used on various sermons and at funerals and he seemed to be able to always take a text that was so appropriate for the occasion, and people do speak well of him as an educator and as a minister back in his day. Brother Locklear, as I look at the Lumbee race today in Robeson and joining counties, I find them a very successful people and a very hard working people and I believe that probably has made more progress fighting the odds over the years than any other group of Indians without a doubt in the United States and perhaps have been more successful considering the opportunity than most groups whether they be minority or minority groups in the United States. And looking at their success-today what are some of the contributing factors that seem to be very important and happen to make these people very successful people?

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LUM 227A Page 4. dib L: Mr. Dial, of course there are several great factors that play in that. Let me mention one or two. First of all the Indian people are smart. They are good workers. They'll give you a good days work for the pay, but the main factor that I would consider that has contributed to the progress and the success of the Indian people in the last years have been education, better schools, better teachers. D: That's better schools and better education. How would you compare, of course I know it's really not a good question, but it's really not a comparison, but what was school like in your boyhood days? Would you just give me a, oh, if you could look back in your elementary school days, what was it like? L: I, my early days I went to the little one-teacher school. Mr. Foster Sampson was my teacher and of course he taught all grades in the one building, and as I think of that school now, it of course, that long ago disappeared. I also went to Prospect School and we had the little one-room building. Now at Prospect High School and Elementary School combined they have...teachers... D: I suppose they have close to forty today. L: They got:about forty teachers, where in my first schooling we had one teacher in the one-room building. D: Was this teacher the Reverend W.L. Moore? L: Yes, he was. Mr. Moore was my teacher. D: Now where was the Barton School located? L: The little Barton Schoolhouse was about a mile and a half out from Prospect. Now that was the first school I went to, was the Barton Schoolhouse, and we had, of course little school buildings dotted in

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LUM 227A Page 5. dib various places throughout the county with one teacher in one school. D: Now this of course was before the normal at Pates in 1887. L: Yes, that's correct. D: I see, now this Barton School was, this was up by, yes, was that near, a mile and a half, let's see, a mile and a half from Prospect in which direction? L: North. D: North, up around the old, what was known as the Mac Barton place, up in that direction. L: That's correct. D: I see. Brother Locklear, considering the Lumbees of Robeson and -adjoining counties, I know you've served as pastor in adjoining counties,:you've preached many funerals in adjoining counties and so forth, what would you consider over the years has been the basic difference among the Lumbees in Robeson and adjoining counties? L: Mr. Dial, I think that we are all the same people. I think the difference is the opportunities that have been afforded to all the Indians in Robeson County. We have had a better chance. The fact of the matter is that more Indians lived in Robeson County than in any other of the adjoining counties. Therefore they had just a little bit more political pull andlrecognized to a great extent than the Indians in other counties. D: Thank you, Brother Locklear, and I certainly would have to agree with all you've said and thanks-a lot for the interview. This is Adolph Dial, Associate Professor of History, Pembroke State College, July the twenty-second, 1969.