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Interview with Mrs. Willie Locklear, September 2, 1971

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Interview with Mrs. Willie Locklear, September 2, 1971
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Mrs. Locklear, Willie ( Interviewee )
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English

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Florida History ( local )
Lumbee Oral History Collection ( local )
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Lumbee County (Fla.)

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This text has been transcribed from an audio or video oral history. Digitization was funded by a gift from Caleb J. and Michele B. Grimes.

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Samuel Proctor Oral History Program, Department of History, University of Florida
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This interview is part of the 'Lumbee County' collection of interviews held by the Samuel Proctor Oral History Program of the Department of History at the University of Florida
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INTERVIEWEE: Mrs. Willie Locklear
INTERVIEWER: Adolph Dial
September 2, 1971
D: Today is September the 2nd, 1971. I am here at the home of Mrs.
Willie Locklear, the granddaughter of Henry Barry Lowry. Mrs.,
Mrs. Locklear, do you remember your grandmother, Rhoda?
L: Yes, I do.
D: Do you remember her very well?
L: Well, I was about six years old when she passed away.
D: A very beautiful woman.
L; Oh, yes, she was.
D: I' saw your mothers pictures. She seemed to be a beautiful woman also.
Most of what you know about Henry Barry Lowry, how did you learn it?
L; By my mother.
D: Your mother, Mrs. Polly Lowry, what, what did she, did she ever comment
as to what she thought might have happened to Henry Barry Lowry or was
she, too, somewhat puzzled by it?
L: Well, she believed what her mother told her about him.
D: And would you care to comment on what her mother told her about him?
L: Well, she said she was a small baby when, when he disappeared, but said
her mother said that the boys told her that he was loading his gun and
it went off and killed him.
D: And of course this seemed to be the thing that, well, whether he died
then or not or whether he went away, this really didn't take anything
away from the significance of his work, did it?





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L: No, no, it didn't.
D: As a matter of fact he might have been just as great had he, I mean
just as great whether he went away or whether he did not.
L: Sure.
D: Do, do you remember any other stories that she might have told you
about him?
L: Well, no.
D: As a granddaughter how do you feel today about the work of Henry
Barry Lowry? Do you think it was very significant?
L: Yes, I; do.
D: What do you think might have been our plight had he not reigned during
his day?
L: I hardly know.
D: It would have been much differently.
L: I'm afraid it would have, yes.
D: What is your age?
L: Sixty-seven.
D: Sixty-seven, how old was your mother when she died?
L: Ninety-one.
D: Ninety-one, uh huh, How old was Miss Rhoda when she died? Do you know?
L: Fifty-five.
D: Fitfty-five, up at the Tommy Sanderson place?
L: That's right.
D: She never did marry again.





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L: No.
D: Didn't Henry Barry Lowry have, there were three children, is that right?
What were their names? Your mother...
L: Was Polly, Polly, That's a nickname. Her name was Leely Ann.
D: Lily.
L: Leely Ann.
D: Leely Ann.
L: Yes. And her sister was Magnolia, I believe that was her name.
D: they called her Sally May.
L: Yes.
D: And you think her name might have been Magnolia then.
L: Yes, and Henry Barry Junior.
D: Henry Barry Junior, what happened to Henry Barry Junior?
L: Well, he went away. I believe he got killed in Mississippi.
D: Did you ever hear that he was killed in Mississippi and he also
killed a man who killed him? Both of them died?
L: Yes, I did.
D: What was the argument about?
L: I never did hear it.
D: Some seem to think it was over ownership of a distillery of turpentine.
L: Could have been.
D; Was it at Tom Lowry's house when, Swamp where they said
he was killed as well as you recall?
L; Yes.





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D: At Tom Lowry's house.
L: Yes.
D: Let's record this. What was this about the watch?
L: She said her mother told him that...
D: This is Miss Rhoda?
L: Yes.
D: Said it?
L: ...told her children that she saw some of the boys with his watch
after they told her that he had got killed and that she had never
knowed anyone to have his watch before.
D: Uh huh, yes, so that's....Did Miss Rhoda more or less live a normal
life after the death of Henry Barry?
L: I suppose, I don't know. .
D: '' Do you recall your mother saying
many people coming around to talk with them after he died wanting stories
and so forth about him?
L: Oh, yes, yes, quite a few.
D: What would you think was the very number one cause that made him start
his reign?
L: Well, from what I heard it was because his father and brother were
killed and his mother tied up and left in the smoke house because she
wouldn't tell where Henry Barry and some other boys was.
D: You think the story was true of making them dig their own grave?
L: Yes, I do.
D: Do you know if Henry Barry Lowry Junior had any children or not in





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Mississippi?
L: He had two,
D: You don't know their names.
L: No, I dontt.
D: Was this in Hattiesburg, Mississippi?
L; Yes.
D: You don't know what happened to those children, whether they went
ahead and, you don't know what occupation they're doing.
L: No.
D: You don't know if they're living today.
L: No, I don't.
D: Do you think that the Henry Barry Lowry incident affected your mother
in any way very much?
L: No, not that I could tell.
D: She lived to be quite old didn't she?
L: Yes, she did.
D: You don't know how old she was when she never did hear anymore from
him?
L: No. Well, she was quite young when he disappeared.
D: Yes, she would be quite young.
L: Yes.
D: Would you believe that Miss Rhoda told her children, you know, most
of the things about Henry Barry or do you think she might have kept
a long secret herself?
L; Re think she. did. I think she kept a lot of secrets.
D: Do you think Miss Rhoda knew where he was buried and just never did tell?





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L: Well, it's possible.
D: But you'd have no way of knowing.
L: No.
D: Could be she figured someone else would give out the information and
get, therefore wouldn't trust anyone even her own children.
L: Yes.
D: There's another side to this thing, too, you know. They could have,
she could, too, have said maybe he died and of course so they wouldn't
be looking for him, but on the other hand many years later that wouldn't
be necessary, would it?
L: No.





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LUM; 223A Page 1 INTERVIEWEE: Mrs. W;tllie Locklear INTERVIEWER: Adolph Dial September 2, 1971 D: Today is Sept~ber the 2nd, 1971. I am here at the home of Mrs. Willie Locklear, the granddaughter of Henry Barry Lowry. Mrs., Mrs. Locklear, do you remember your grandmother, Rhoda? L: Yes, I do. D: Do you remember he'l:l very well? L: Well, I: was about s:tx yea;,:$ old when she passed away. D: A very beautiful woman. L: 0h, yes, stte wa,s. D: I saw your m.otherts pictures. She seemed to be a beautiful woman also. Most of what you know a.bout Henry Barry Lowry, how did you learn it? L; Bymy mother. D: Your -mother, Mrs. Polly Lowry, what, what did she, did she ever comment as to what she thought might have happened to Henry Barry Lowry or was she, too, som.ewhat puzzled by it? L: Well, she believed what he'.t'. mother told her about him. D: And would you cat'e to comment on what her mother told her about him? L: Well, she. said sh.e was a sn\all baby when, when he disappeared, but said hep 11\0ther said that the boys told her that he was loading his gun and it went off and lctlled him. D: And of course this seemed to be the thing that, well, whether he died then or not or whether he went away, this really didn't take anything away from the significance of his work, did it?

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Lu.t1 223A l?a,ge 2,. L: No, no, it didn't. dib D: Asa ma,tter of fa.ct he might have been just as great had he, I mean just a,s great whether h.e went away or whether he d;id not. L: Sure. D: Po, do you pemember any other stories that she might have told you about lu"tn? L: Well, no. D: As a, grandda,ughter how--do you feel today about the wark of Henry Ba,r,r,Y' Lowry? Do you thi.nk twas vrery signftcant? L: Yes, I: do. D: What do you th~nk mght have been our pltght had he not reigned during h;;ts daY'? L: I ha,rdlY' know. D: It would l'ia;ve been_ 111ucn differently. L: I ',m afraid it would have, yes. D: What i:,& your age? L: si-xty-seven. D: S;i,,~ty-s-evien, hoW' old WAS Y'OUr motheii when $he di.ed? L: Ninety-one. D: Ni.nety-one, uh huh. How old was :Miss Rhoda when she died? Do you know? L: Fifty-five. D: F:;tfty-f;i::,ve, up at the TOIIlll\Y Sanderson place? L: That'sright. D: She never di~ marry again.

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dib L: No. D: Didn't Henry Barry Lowry have, there were three children, is that right? What were their names? Your mother L: Was :Polly, Polly. That's a nickname. lier name was Leely Ann. D: Lily. L: Leely Ann. D: Leely ,Ann. :r..: Yes. And Iler st.ster was Magnolia, I believe that was her name. D: ______ they called her Sally May. L: Yes. D: And you think her name -:in:i:ght have been Magnolia then. L: Yes, and ltenry Bar,:,y Junior. D: Henry Bar1:y .:Junfo'I'.', what happened to Henry Bait'ry Junior? L: W'ell, he went away. I believe he got killed in Mississippi. D: Did you evep hear that he was killed in Mississippi and he also killed a man who ki_lled him? Both of them died? L: Yes, I' d;td. D: What was the argt.rment about? L: I never did hear i.t. D: Some seem to think it was over ownership of a distillery of turpentine. L: Could ha.ve been. D; wa~ it at Tom Lowry'~ house when, Swamp where they said --------he waskilled as well as you recall? L; Yes.

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LU}'! 223,t\ Pa,ge 4. D: At Tom Lawry's house. L: Yes. dib D: Let's record th.s. What was this about the watch? L: She sai:d her mother told b.;tm that D: Thi:s is Miss Rhoda? L: Yes•. D: Sai'4 it? L: told her ch~ldren that she saw some of the boys with his watch aiter they told her that he had got killed and that she had never knowed anyone to have his watch before. D: Uh huh, yes, so that's Did Miss Rhoda more or less live a normal li:;fe: after the de.a.th of Henry Earry? L: _I s_uppos~, I don~t knoy,._ D: _________________ Do you recall your met her saying many people coming around to talk with them after he died wanting stories ~nd so ~orth about him? L: Oh, yas, yes, qu;f;te a few. P: What would you th;ink was the very number one cause that made him start his reign? L: Well, from what I heared it was because his father and brother were killed and h;i::s mother tied up and left in the smoke house because she wouldn't tell where Henry Barry and some other boys was. D: You think the story was true of making them dig their own grave? L: Yes, I do. D: Do you know i:f Henry Barry Lowry Junior had any children or not in

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LUX 223,'\ ;ea,ge 5. Mississippi? L: He. had two. D: You don't know their names.
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~011 223,A l'a,ge 6. L: Well, it's possible. dib D: But you'd have no way of knowing. L: No. D: Could be she figured someone else would give out the information and get, the.ref ore wouldn't trust anyone even her own children. L: Yes. D: Therets another side to this thing, too, you know. They could have, she could, too, have said -maybe he died and of course so they wouldn't be loold:ng for him,, but on the other hand many years later that wouldn't oe necessary, would ft? L: No.