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Interview with Susan Locklear, January 4, 1974

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Interview with Susan Locklear, January 4, 1974
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Florida History ( local )
Lumbee Oral History Collection ( local )
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Lumbee County (Fla.)

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Samuel Proctor Oral History Program, Department of History, University of Florida
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LUM 172A
Date: January 4, 1974
Interviewer: Lew Barton
Subject: Susan Locklear
Transcriber- Sharon Harrington
Side 1
B: This is January 4, 1974. I'm Lew Barton interviewing for
the University of Florida's History Department. This morning
we are in my home in Pembroke, North Carolina at 214-C
.) Dial Terrace and with me is a young
lady you has kindly consented to give me an interview. Would
you tell us what your name is?
L Susan Locklear.
B: How old are you, Susan?
L: Fifteen.
B: You're fifteen. I heard a rumor about you and I want to ask
you about it, ra y I;? heard you were engaged and about to get
married. Is that true?
,'
L: Yes.
B: When are you going to get married?
L. All/3 ?^1^; h.ro
B: f a f .r asRfre you're going to get married [ UJj S!^ S
n i Dillon, South Carolina get married pretty early in the Lumbee River
area, don't they?
L: Guess so.
B: How many brothers and sisters do you have?
L: _1_ brothers and three sisters.
B: Do you mind telling us their names?
L: Ah, Corlis Locklear, Calvin Locklear, Alvin Locklear, Wanda,
Ruth, Susy and I got a baby that's e^ (
B: How about your parents, what are their names?


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L: C ? )Locklear and Locklear.
B: Fine, who is this lucky guy you're going to marry?
L: C / we call him Charlie.
B: What nationality is he?
L: Italian.
B: Italian. Italians are beautiful people, aren't they?
L: Not really.
B: You think i'r beautiful, don't you?
L: Ml M .
B: You like to think you're beautiful.
L: I like kissing boys.
B: Where does he live?
L: In Lumbee Town.
B: And what does he do there?
L: He works on bodies--of cars.
B: He works on bodies.
L: He owns a body shop.
B: Okay, he owns a body shop, an auto body shop. How long have
you known him, dear?
L: Ever since August 11.
B: You've known him since August the 11th, right?
L: Um-hum.
B: Don't you think this is a little bit young to be getting
married) ) 44
L: No.
B: I know people usually have good reasons for getting married,
um, sometimes they have different reasons, what's your reasons for
getting married, Susan?
L- I have to,,jto get away from home.


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B: That's one reason. Are there any other reasons?
L: No.
B: um-hum. Ah, your husbands parents, do they live here too,
in America?
L: No, he don't have no mother and a father. f.c hi74X .r /t .
B I see, where did you meet him at,dear?
L: Ah-hah. He came to a Maxton Friday night. -_-( .1 C A )
B: Ah-hah. Is he a serviceman?
L: What you mean?
B: Is he in service?
L:
B: Do your parents approve of your boyfriend?
L: Yes.
B: Your fiance.
L: Ah-hah. _..L Au ^.L ..... C. -it o
B: Ah, you told me that didn't you, ah-hah, 4/ Cg7 l yC
I really don' -- 7 K_ k 4 _. _,fs_ -4 ,
someone who works with a mo- Q~___fC_)C _., did you
think of that?
L: 13eW &f liree o L % X i Its / 0^e )i
B: Ah, I know somebody who works with bodies, he's a mortician,
um-hum, um-hum. Where do you plan to live, to make your home?
L: In Lumbee Town.
B: In Lumbee Town, um-hum. Would you mind telling us just how
he proposed. You know there's an old tradition about people
proposing, and the guy is supposed to get down on one knee, but they
don't, I've never known anybody to actually do this, have you?
L: No.


B: He didn't get down on one knee, did he?
L: No.
B: How did he ask you, Seawr JA Ar
L: He just asked. I don't know all of what he said. He just asked
me likeanybody else would.
B %PP I A A .e& 'lther people.....
L: Guess not. CA Ec 1)
B: What? (l u6 l )
L: Guess not.
B:rl ( CW)
L Mc^ r^ 5;rt / rA
B: fw1 ok.' % f.h ala s r*# +
L: No, I don't know. Well, most of the time he's working. He r
works late at night.
B: How about dating around here in this society. Huh? Are
people opposed to you dating somebody outside of your own race?
mr^ 'lT^ T 1Jp-UXdate somebody outside of
your own race?
L: If it was~ they would.
B: How do people generally feel about this? Do you think
people are pretty, ah, generous, where race is concerned in this
society?
L: Ah, I don't know.
B: If you had the opportunity to change anything at all
in this -: -I you could change, if you had the opportunity
to do this. What would you change?
L: The rights, the teenagers' freedom. Where they didn't have
to go to school anymore
r-M~k/)AJAHV rrb. ^ JOc^W^W^


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B: You would allow all the teenagers freedom, so they wouldn't have
to go back to school anymore. Well, I don't know about that.
But tht one wish, it is.
L: iJJ cktQ CDt4b4^
B: 1I Ik5_ hv5/f4 4 v 3 ^
If you had to give advice to other young people about getting
married, what would you tell them?
L: Let it slide.
B: Let it slide. Don't tell me you're having after thoughts even
before you get the groom, are you?
L: No.
B: Are you going to regret it do you think? You don't think
you're going to regret getting married?
L: Um-um (negative).
B: I just wonder how it feels to be getting married. How
do you feel about it?
L: Well, how would you feel..
B: There's nothing to feel.
L: Well, I don't know.
B: This will be one of the most important steps in your life that
you're going to take. You must feel something.
L: Happy.
B: You feel happy, that's good. Do you feel happy right now?
L: No.
B: Then you don't.
L: Urn-hum.
B: Are you a little bit 'p4aee, that is, are you sort-of
uncertain, do you have an uncertain feeling inside of you, maybe?


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L: Um-hum.
B: Then you're hoping you've made the right decision?
L: Yes.
B: How do you feel about it, really, I mean, you're not
absolutely certain that you're right are you?
L: No, sir.
B: Wonder how he feels about it?
L: I don't know.
B: Hum. Tell me about dating, tell me more about dating. Are
people as strict, are parents as strict as they used to be, do
you think? a ^ I 1 i
B: Susan, lets talk for a minute about the generation gap, so
called. Ah, I haven't found a generation gap, so to speak. I've
been able to talk to young people. You and I are talking right
now. How do you feel about it, how do feel about the generation
gap? Do you think there is such a thing?
L: Yes.
B: Are older people hard to talk to?
L: Most of the time.
B: What do you think we could do about that. You know, in
order to get on good grounds between older people and younger
people because if they never, if they're not able to talk to
each other, then they're never going to be able to iron out
their problems, are they?
L: No.
B: What do you think we could do on both sides? What do you
think young people could do:for example?


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L: Talk some more about things that they should do.
B: And do you think there is a crying need for young people to
talk to older people and get their advice on all sorts of
things?
L: Um-m, yes.
B: How about the birds and the bees? Did anybody tell you
about the birds and the bees when you were very young?
L: No.
B: Now, do they teach anything like this in school?
L: No.
B: How did you learn about things like this? Ah, ah, how do
people, how do young people learn about things like this?
L: Takes a little bit of time.
B: When you say other people,do you mean some of your friends, some
of the friends in your own age limit, in your own age group.
L: Yes.
B: Um-hum. And their information is not always too accurate, is
it? Or what do you think p _J ?
L: No.
B: And do you think it would be better if they could talk to
their parents and to their teachers and to their counselors
and things like this?
L: Um-m, most of the time.
B: Um-hum, and when you're in school do you have your own counselor?
L: Yes.
B: Is your counselor easy to talk to?
L: I ain't never talked to him.
B: I wonder why Susan. Did you ever feel the need to talk to
your counselor?


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L: No.
B: Is this because, is their some sort of mistrust, maybe,that you
might not even be aware of this you know, you might ot even have
thought of this? But, ah, when I was coming y
natural reluctance to talk to older people, and perhaps it was,
we just didn't trust them. We figured if we said anything to them,
they might criticize us. Did you feel this way?
L: No.
B: Do you think there is this kind of feeling among young people
and older people?
L: Yes.
B: You think they do, they might have this?
L: Ur-hum.
B: And a, but if there was somebody that was attached to the
school of somebody on the faculty that was very close to young
people, who understood young people and you -pa they understood
young people. Do you think this would help alot?
L: Yes.
B: Ah, there is a, such a thing,ra hygiene class, ah that I've
heard of among schools here in A County. And, in this
14 1ounto A
hygiene classAthere is a woman who gets the girls together, and
then there's a guy who gets the guys together and they talk.
Do you have this in school?
L: Yes.
B: Do they tell you anything you don't really know?
L: Urn-hum. (negative)
B: It's all old stuff, isn't it?
L; Ur-hum.
B: Can you ask them any kind of question you want to?


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L: Yes.
B: And how do they answer you when you ask them a very frank
question? You know, something that you wouldn't ordinarily
ask somebody else. Will they come across with the truth?
Will they explain in plain English what it is you want to know?
L: Um, most of the time. Depending on what it is.
B: Then there are certain subjects they might hedge a
little bit about?
L; Um-hum.
B: Like what, for instance.
L: Sex.
B: Yes, they don't like to talk much about sex, do they?
L; No.
B: Do you think this is something young people should know
about?
L: Um-hum.
B: hy Susan, do you think this is a very important
subject in anybody's life?
L: Yes.
B: And if its this, if its always important then, do you feel that
people ought to be informed about it. Is this the way you feel?
L: Um-hum.
B: Then somebody' failing somewhere along the ln aren't they
sugar?
L; Um-hum.
B: Do you feel that you've been let down by older people?
L: No.
B: I think you're being diplomatic now -


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B: Ah, but, I'm sure you don't want to criticize older people,
but do you think we older people, I put myself in there to. Do
you think we could of done more than we've done?
L: I don't know.
B: Well, that's something to think about anyway, isn't it?
L: Ur-hum.
B: How about dating, of course, dating might include sex and
it might not. But ah, did they tell you, did the older people
tell you about dating, what you should do, what you shouldn't
do, that sort of thing?
L: Ur-hum.
B: Um-m, would you mind telling us some of the things that you've
heard. You don't have to mention anybody's name. Would you
like to mention just a few of the things that ysf a p-r aPs-4
h B id by way of informing you or filling you in or this?
B: You'd rather not talk about it.
L: No.
B: You'd rather not talk about it?
L: No.
B: Well then, we won't talk about it. We won't talk about anything
you don't want to talk about., Okay? Now you're getting married
in just a little while, hopefully. Aad ,ycu too will be a mother,
and, ah, I1m wondering how will you treat your children? Are you
going to tell them the facts of life of are you going to be by them
the way other people have been by you? I wonder what your reaction
Will be there? 3 eec +X ")
L: I'll let them learn it by themselves cause^I'll be too
A
embarrassed to tell them.
B: Is that right?
L: Um-hum.


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B: Ah, do you feel that this subject, even the word sex is to
some people it holds, it's sort of a shameful thing, they don't
want to talk about. itat all. Do you feel this way about it?
L: um-hum. (negative)
B: You're going to let your children learn for themselves the way
you did?
L: Yes. o
B: Well, you know in some schools, they have classes in sex
education, do you think this would be a good thing or a bad thing?
L: I think it would be good for 'em.
B: ah-hah. The trouble seems to be that nobody will take that
first step toward getting it because people are afraid of getting
criticized, maybe, or something. Do you think that might be the
case?
L: Yes.
B: Ah-hah. Well, here's wishing you a very, very happy
marriage.
L: Thank you.
B: And a, people do get married very early here. And sometimes
these early marriages work out and sometimes they don't. Do
you think an early marriage has a good chance of working out?
L: Most of the time.
a: What do you think, Susan, what do you think it takes to make
a happy marriage, dear'
L: Sex.
B: Love, if you've got lots of love?
L: Um-hum.
B: UmRhum. I think I'll agree with you there.


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B: This you have to have above all other things if your marriage
is to work out. Without this there would be no hope for success
in marriage, would there ba?
L: Um-hum. (negative)
B: Well, ah, I want to thank you for giving me this interview,.
it's been very enlightening. And ah, *e certainly appreciate it.
We'd like to find out from people, what we're trying to determine
here is the life style ef the people in this valley and we
certainly wish you the best in everything. Thank you so much
for giving us this interview. Okay?
L: Um-hum. Thank TorDa. Good-bye.
B: January 15, 1974. Susan was married in ,South Carolina,
and seems to be very happy.


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LUM 172A Date: January 4, 1974 InterviewerLew Barton Subject: Susan Locklear TranscriberSharon Harrington Side 1 B: This is January 4, 1974. I'm Lew Barton interviewing for the University of Florida's History Department. This morning we are in my home in pt ' , North Carolina , . \ 1 r^fA Ce and with me is a young lady you has kindly consented to give me an interview. Would you tell us what your name is? LSusan Locklear. B: How old are you, Susan? L: Fifteen. B: You're fifteen. I heard a rumor about you and I want to ask you about it, may I? I head you were engaged and about to get married.Is that true? L: Yes. B:' When are you going to get married? _B: h 4 .B~a e you're going to get married t_ rl s );V I (rn 1 $goo ^DM:' rls get married pretty early in the Lumbee River area, don't they? L: Guess so. B: How many brothers and sisters do you have? L: OLr brothers and three sisters. B: Do you mind telling us their names? tr {iss L: Ah, "'ets Locklear, Calvin Locklear, Alvin Locklear, Wanda, . Ruth, Susy and I got a baby that's _Ar c a' h & C 9S (' :! B: How about your parents, what are their names?

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2 L: C * )Locklear and ( ' iLocklear. B: Fine, who is this lucky guy you're going to marry? L: C / , we call him Charlie. B: What nationality is he? L: Italian. B: Italian. Italians are beautiful people, aren't they? L: Not really. B: You think y beautiful, don't you? L: l 5 B: You like to think you're beautiful. L: I like kissing boys. B: Where does he live? L: In Lumbee Town. B: And what does he do there? L: He works on bodies--of cars. B: He works on bodies. L: He owns a body shop. B: Okay, he owns a body shop, an auto body shop. How long have you known him, dear? L: Ever since August 11. B: You've known him since August the 11th, right? L: Um-hum. B: Don't you think this is a little bit young to be getting married) eArf' L: No. B: I know people usually have good reasons for getting married, um, sometimes they have different reasons, what's your reasons for getting married, Susan? LI have to,.*to get away from home.

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3 B: That's one reason. Are there any other. reasons? L: No. B: um-hum. Ah, your husbands parents, do they live here too, in America? L: No, he don't have no mother and a father. OrfCt_ . Ad .. A B: I see, where did you meet him at,dear? L: Ah-hah. He came to Mg _ Friday night. _ _lCC ) B: Ah-hah. Is he a serviceman? L: What you mean? B: Is he in service? L: B: Do your parents approve of your boyfriend? L: Yes. B: Your fiance. L: Ah-hah. _ r _. . 4.4 bc1C 5 ),^ B: Ah, you told me that didn't you, ah-hah, VJ (/' y [ I really don'tA 7__ 4v Ak 4&otur.. //Ce someone who works with a -&" 'aC AF'_j, _ CitV _. , did you think of that? L: f ree Ork€ n Cf e tt ; B: Ah, I know somebody who works with bodies, he's a mortician, um-hum, um-hum. Where do you plan to live, to make your home? L: In Lumbee Town. B: In Lumbee Town, um-hum. Would you mind telling us just how he proposed. You know there's an old tradition about people proposing, and the guy is supposed to get down on one knee, but they don't, I've never known anybody to actually do this, have you? L: No.

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B: He didn't get down on one knee, did he? L: No. B: How did he ask you, .uori Sn h r? L: He just asked. I don't know all of what he said. He just asked me likeanybody else would. B: &L iL 9 6 _i tther people..... L: Guess not. C Rl : B: What? Cl(/ajt ) L: Guess not. B: 4otr( 'C1 'fsf[d (i· ,c ? L: No, I don't know. Well, most of the time he's working. He v works late at night. B: How about dating-' around here in this society. Huh? Are people opposed to you dating somebody outside of your own race? D'rSnr 0 o f .;.l1\1C 1p. date somebody outside of your own race? L: If it was )^ they would. B: How do people generally feel about this? Do you think people are pretty, ah, generous, where race is concerned in this society? L: Ah, I don't know. B: If you had the opportunity to change anything at all in this eeeket2 ri you could change, if you had the opportunity to do this. What would you change? L: The rights, the teenagers' freedom. Where they didn't have to go to school anymore r-^cl &JA-hv1e

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5 B: You would allow all the teenagers freedom, so they wouldn't have to go back to school anymore. Well, I don't know about that. But that'& one wish, it is. L: C_.DUAs i4 bac dCosi ^j B:_ __t(,1a 4Iiyj h JoI q4 i ri^, #. If you had to give advice to other young people about getting married, what would you tell them? L: Let it slide. B: Let it slide. Don't tell me you're having after thoughts even before you get the groom, are you? L: No. B: Are you going to regret it do you think? You don't think you're going to regret getting married? L: Um-um (negative). B: I just wonder how it feels to be getting married. How do you feel about it? L: Well, how would you feel.. B: There's nothing to feel. L: Well, I don't know. B: This will be one of the most important steps in your life that you're going to take. You must feel something. L: Happy. B: You feel happy, that's good. Do you feel happy right now? L: No. B: Then you don't. L: Um-hum. B: Are you a little bit appoe , that is, are you sort of uncertain, do you have an uncertain feeling inside of you, maybe?

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6 L: Um-hum. B: Then you're hoping you've made the right decision? L: Yes. B: How do you feel about it, really, I mean, you're not absolutely certain that you're right are you? L: No, sir. B: Wonder how he feels about it? L: I don't know. B: Hum. Tell me about dating, tell me more about dating. Are people as strict, are parents as strict as they used to be, do you think? , l , t L: ____^_ 0 OP ! TtcW-kA ' C^ liw^t /t3 B: Susan, lets talk for a minute about the generation gap, so called. Ah, I haven't found a generation gap, so to speak. I've been able to talk to young people. You and I are talking right now. How do you feel about it, how do feel about the generation gap? Do you think there is such a thing? L: Yes. B: Are older people hard to talk to? L: Most of the time. B: What do you think we could do about that. You know, in order to get on good grounds between older people and younger people because if they never, if they're not able to talk to each other, then they're never going to be able to iron out their problems, are they? L: No. B: What do you think we could do on both sides? What do you think young people could do for example?

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7 L: Talk some more about things that they should do. B: And do you think there is a crying need for young people to talk to older people and get their advice on all sorts of things? L: Um-m, yes. B: How about the birds and the bees? Did anybody tell you about the birds and the bees when you were very young? L: No. B: Now, do they teach anything like this in school? L: No. B: How did you learn about things like this? Ah, ah, how do people, how do young people learn about things like this? L: Takes a little bit of time. B: When you say other people,do you mean some of your friends, some of the friends in your own age limit, in your own age group. L: Yes. B: Um-hum. And their information is not always too accurate, is it? Or what do you think ftklot ;_ L: No. B: And do you think it would be better if they could talk to their parents and to their teachers and to their counselors and things like this? L: Um-m, most of the time. B: Um-hum, and when you're in school do you have your own counselor? L: Yes. B: Is your counselor easy to talk to? L: I ain't never talked to him. B: I wonder why Susan. Did you ever feel the need to talk to your counselor?

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8 L: No. B: Is this because, is their some sort of mistrust, maybe,that you might not even be aware of this you know, you might pot even have thought of this? But, ah, when I was coming r ) ^ natural reluctance to talk to older people, and perhaps it was, we just didn't trust them. We figured if we said anything to them, they might criticize us. Did you feel this way? L: No. B: Do you think there is this kind of feeling among young people and older people? L: Yes. B: You think they do, they might have this? L: Um-hum. B: And a, but if there was somebody that was attached to the school of somebody on the faculty that was very close to young people, who understood young people and you j they understood young people. Do you think this would help alot? L: Yes. B: Ah, there is a, such a thing, w hygiene class, ah that I've heard of among schools here in CoCunty. And, in this hygiene classAthere is a woman who gets the girls together, and then there's a guy who gets the guys together and they talk. Do you have this in school? L: Yes. B: Do they tell you anything you don't really know? L: Um-hum. (negative) B: It's all old stuff, isn't it? L; Um-hum. B: Can you ask them any kind of question you want to?

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L: Yes. B: And how do they answer you when you ask them a very frank question? You know, something that you wouldn't ordinarily ask somebody else. Will they come across with the truth? Will they explain in plain English what it is you want to know? L: Um, most of the time. Depending on what it is. B: Then there are certain subjects they might hedge a little bit about? L; Um-hum. B: Like what, for instance. L: Sex. B: Yes, they don't like to talk much about sex, do they? L; No. B: Do you think this is something young people should know about? L: Um-hum. B: jht, Susan, do you think this is a very important subject in anybody's life? L: Yes. B: And if its this, if its always important then, do you feel that people ought to be informed about it. Is this the way you feel? L: Um-hum. B: Then somebody failing somewhere along the lne aren't they sugar? L; Um-hum. B: Do you feel that you've been let down by older people? L: No. B: I think you're being diplomatic now e -

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10 B: Ah, but, I'm sure you don't want to criticize older people, but do you think we older people, I put myself in there to. Do you think we could of done more than we've done? L: I don't know. B: Well, that's something to think about anyway, isn't it? L: Um-hum. B: How about dating, of course, dating might include sex and it might not. But ah, did they tell you, did the older people tell you about dating, what you should do, what you shouldn't do, that sort of thing? L: Um-hum. B: Um-m, would you mind telling us some of the things that you've heard. You don't have to mention anybody's name. Would you tfffe .144 Me Sygo like to mention just a few of the things that yoi~'gpEisps h o lftk by way of informing you or filling you in or this? B: You'd rather not talk about it. L: No. B: You'd rather not-talk about it? L: No. B: Well then, we won't talk about it. We won't talk about anything you don't want to talk about.. Okay? Now you're getting married in just a little while, hopefully. And you too will be a mother, and, ah, I'm wondering how will you treat your children? Are you going to tell them the facts of life of are you going to be by them the way other people have been by you? I wonder what your reaction Will be there? bLeern °t ' v L: I'll let them learn it by themselves cause I'll be too embarrassed to tell them. B: Is that right? L: Um-hum.

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11 B: Ah, do you feel that this subject, even the word sex is to some people it holds, it's sort of a shameful thing, they don't want to talk about. itat all. Do you feel this way about it? L: um-hum. (negative) B: You're going to let your children learn for themselves the way you did? L: Yes. | B: Well, you know in some schools, they have classes in sex A education, do you think this would be a good thing or a bad thing? L: I think it would be good for 'em. B: ah-hah. The trouble seems to be that nobody will take that first step toward getting it because people are afraid of getting criticized, maybe, or something. Do you think that might be the case? L: Yes. B: Ah-hah. Well, here's wishing you a very, very happy marriage. L: Thank you. B: And a, people do get married very early here. And sometimes these early marriages work out and sometimes they don't. Do you think an early marriage has a good chance of working outT L: Most ot the time. B: What do you think, Susan, what do you think it takes to make a happy marriage, dear' L: Sex. B: Love, if you've got lots of love? L: Ur-hum. B: Umthum. I think I'll agree with you there.

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B: This you have to have above all other things if your marriage is to work out. Without this there would be no hope for success in marriage, would there be? L: Um-hum. (negative) B: Well, ah, I want to thank you for giving me this interview,, it's been very enlightening. And ah, We certainly appreciate it. We'd like to find out from people, what we're trying to determine here is the life style ef the people in this valley and we certainly wish you the best in everything. Thank you so much for giving us this interview. Okay? L: Um-hum. Thank doa. Good-bye. B: January 15, 1974. Susan was married in ,South Carolina, and seems to be very happy.