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Interview with Lora Collins, November 4, 1973
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Collins, Lora ( Interviewee )
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Florida History ( local )
Lumbee Oral History Collection ( local )
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Lumbee County (Fla.)

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Samuel Proctor Oral History Program, Department of History, University of Florida
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This interview is part of the 'Lumbee County' collection of interviews held by the Samuel Proctor Oral History Program of the Department of History at the University of Florida
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LUM 163 A
Interview w/
Lora Collins Wells, typist.
Nov. 4, 1973

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B: This is November 4, 1973. I am Lew Barton interviewing for the

University of Florida. This afternoon I am in shannon, S-h-a-n-n-o-n,

North Carolina) and with me is Miss Lora Collins. She is not the

daughter of Mr. and Mrs. _t__(_ Collins, however, She

is the cousin to the girlband the boy I interviewed. Is that

right, Lora?

C: That's right.

C: L-o-r-a C-o-l-l-i-n-s.

B: How old are you?

C: I'm fifteen.

B: Fifteen. You're ancient aren't' you?

C: Yeah.

B: What grade are you in in school?

C: I'm in the tenth.:

B: In the tenth grade. Do you enjoy going to school?

C: Yeah, I i enjoys< .

B: I enjoyed teaching the tenth grade better than I think any class I

taught in high school. And I taught from the seventh through

the welf-th. -think-The tenth perhaps was my favorite class.

Are you in a large class?

C: Yes, all of my classes is large.

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B: Will you give us your parents' names?

C: Peggy and Stedford Collins.

B: How do you spell, 'course we can spell Peggy, P-e-g-g-y. But

how do you spell your father's name?

C: S-t-e-d-f-o-r-d.

B: Stedford Collins. How man brothers and sisters do you have?

C: I have two sisters and four brothers.

B: Would you mind giving me their names and ages, or do you know

their ages?

C: I know. Linwood collins, he's seventeen. Joyce Ann Locklear, she's

married now. She is eighteen. And I'm fifteen. Lora, fifteen.

And Roger Lynn Collins, he's eleven. Chester Collins is thirteen.

And Patricia Gollins is :I think-ten.

B: How far do you live from the _-____ Collinso?

C: I live about a mile.

B: About a mile from here?

C: Yeah.

B: And do you have many friends in school?

C: I have a lot. Girls and boy friends.

B: Uh, huh, but which do you have the most of?

C: I don't really know. I have about, gosh, I have about ten or twenty

boys talk to meievery day, you know. aU- j, o t,, race,

you know. Just talking.

B: You are quite a girl apparently. Lora, you in appearance you

are, you know, you look Indian. You've got beautiful black

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hair, long hair, do you always wear your hair long this way?

C: Most of the time, but sometimes I fix it up in a ponytail

Ca iJ you know.

B: It's very beautiful.

C: Or I roll it, you know, may get some curl in it.

B: And you've got a peaches and cream complexion. How ... can I

C: Well, I weigh 129.

B: One hundred and twenty-nine. How tall are you?

C: I'm about five foot four.

B: Five foot four. Are your parents strict on you about dating?

C: Well, I'm not dating. I was dating and I broke up with this boy.

I'm not dating now but I talk to others, but I still, I still

go now more since I don't go with anybody than I did go with

this boy. But I still love the boy and everything and we still

speak to each other and all. I think we're going to go back

with each other. But when I get fifteen and a half they won't

be strict on me at all. I get to go about once

or twice out of the week I get to go off--go to tkw movies and

different places where young people should be. Not places

where you drink and things like that 3ause I think it's wrong.

I don't like to drink and take dope and things like that.

B: Do you think very many of the young people take dope J 0JJe-

marij uana?

C: Yes, there are, I know some kids at school they take it. But I

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mean to me people if I didn't what it was, you know, if it was

smoking a pill, I'd think it was aspirin or something like that.

I'd probably take it if I had a headache. But if I didn't

know the people I wouldn't take it because I don't like dope.

I ain't never took it. I don't know how it tastes or

anything but I wouldn't have anything to do with it because I

seen a program the other night on TV where this girl that had

been given a dope and you know, she had one try and then they

a) a A( take it and finally she died. They had it on the

TV. Her name was Alice, girl's name was Alice. And they, they done

the movie just ... they thought that she wouldn't mind if they

done that. If I'd ever take it, I wouldn't want anybody to

know it, but I don't want to 'cause I think it's harmful to your:

body." Our church rules are very, we have a very strict church

on things like dating and things like that

B: Which church do you go to?

C: Well, I go to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

B: Some people call it the Mormon church, right?

C: Yeah, they call it the-Mormon.
A.
B: They do seem to have good programs for young people.

C: Yes, they have seminary and and they have primary for the
A
young, seminary is from twelve, no, seminary you have

to be in the ninth grade.

B: Um, huh.

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C: From the ninth to the twelfth. And, you know, it's just a lot of

fun. And MYA is from twelve years old to about eighteen.

B: And what is MYA? What do those letters stand for?

C: MY-, I can't, I forgot, I used to know what it was.

B: It's a young people's program?

C: It's a young people's program.

B: And of course you have your own bus?

C: Yeah, we have a bus. You know, every second Saturday in the

month we go to Raleigh, up to Raleigh, you know to the church

up there. That's part of the seminary. And you know, we have a

it's called Super Saturday. We have a lot of ,. fun. First

we go and we have our Scriptures and have a lesson and that

night we have a danced We dance and have a lot of fun. I mean,

that's part of the church'having a lot of fun. We have an

active church. Most of the churches don't have do what we

have to do. There might be a lot of riding or something like
still
that, but we "'A have fun and everything. Go to MYA and
different
seminary and A places like I said a while a go. We

always have a lot of fun.

B: You think if young people have something to do, you know, some-

thing constructive to do, like dancing is beneficial, if

for no other reason, it's good exercise.

C: Yeah.

B: Do you feel if they have something like this to do that this

keeps them out of trouble?

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C: Well, yes, I think if every church was as active as the church

of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) I figure most of the

young people would, you know, go where the church should be.

They wouldn't, most of them wouldn't drink, and tngs '

liketEEat. Most of the churches like the Haly. and things

like that they just go there on Sunday and that's the only night.

Ihey just go there and have preaching and 4ht they're going to

have and come on home. But which we have ours on Sunday and that

Sunday evening we have an hour in the eve^ng time, and we have it

on a Wednesday night and a Thursday night, and on every second

Saturday in the month, we go to Raleigh.

B: Now what is it you do in Raleigh, dear?

C: We well, we go up there and we have ... see, we'se 'doing

seminary. That's the reason we go up there is because we have

seminary and we go up there really to get our books and

things. And we have classes and we learn about the Gospel.

of the church. And we have a dance. We get to know other people.

We get to love them more and have more strength in the

church and get other people attending the church. You know,

just have a lot of fun for the young. The adults have a lot of
',
fun, too. The, we have this /-fJ i.5. ,7ri f-/'/for the young, the

young. And ', : for the adults, too. And this is

whenever you want to have it. We haven't had it this month

in November, but the young and the adults will have it pretty

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soon. We go and we have a lesson and after we get through having

the lesson, which we huve a lot of fun, you know, talking, have

our talks, and after we do that,. we / have refreshments like

punch. We don't drink and things like that. And we don't

smoke, we don't use tobacco and Smeke. These different things,

I mean, I really think the Church of Jesus Christ is true be-

cause if it wasn't true, I don't think it'd be on the face of

the earth. But I, I think it's a true church because it

has all of these different things in it. And I think the Lord,

I believe the Lord don't want us to do those things. He don't

want us to drink and to smoke and to use tobacco and stuff,

'cause in every way it harms your body. It has something to

do with your body, it just harms the body.

B: You think anything you do to harm your body is wrong?

C: Yes, I mean, like smoking. It can give you cancer and different

things like that. I think it's wrong. And anything to harm

B: How do they feel, how does your church feel about dating? r -

,re they, how old do they figure you should be before you

start dating or do they have u/V- ?

C: Yes, they have a certain age now. Just like if they boy or the

girl was going to just go sit in their homes, about fourteen

year old or fifteen. But the, mostly, like I went to Georgia.

The dating average was sixteen. But down here it's fifteen and

a half you can go. And I think that's a-Ligt. I mean,

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you're a teenager when you're thirteen or you're supposed
don't
to be. But most girls don't be mature and most boysAbe mature

by the age of thirtten. But they really want you to be at

least fifteen and a half, sixteen when you start dating. I

think a girlwhen they go off with a boy, most of the time if

they're about thirteen something like that, they can't control

theirself. Ai kyc DA tS XfLA A you know, they

couldn't help theirself or something like that.

B: You think they might get, they might be tempted to do somdng

C: They could be, yeah, they could be tempted to do something they're

not supposed to or the boy, like the boy drinks hey could

fool them into drinking. Like if you was really strong in

the church like I am, I mean I have strong feelings in church

and I do want to gtow stronger. .They have in there a temple

marriage for the young, too. And I have set my goal 'cause I

wanted to be married in a temple where I can have eternal

life with my husband. And like if my husband died, I could,

I could have another temple marriage. And then when I get

to heaven, I'd have to pick which one I'd want to spend eternal

life with. And I figure if I do that I would, the first one I

married, that's the one I'd want to spend eternal life in.

B: According to/ at your church believes,if you have a temple marriage

this hallows the marriage and you live eternally, is that right?

C: Yes. Yes, that's right. You live etern4a if, I mean, when

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you get married in the temple, you have to go a certain length of

time before you get married in the temple--make sure that

you love each other and you're not going toto anything wrong,

and try, just try to do your best, and then you live the

commandments. When you get married in the temple you live the

commandments and everything and you get along with your r husband.

Most of the people that I know in the church that has had

a temple marriage, they stay in the church. They've been mar-

ried a long time. And I think if most of the young people
0- --
would hive a temple marriage and be in he LDS church that

stands for Latter Day Saints, we call it LDS or the Mormon

church they would, they would stay, they would, their marriage

would go on and on for eternity. And then, you know, they

wouldn't have divorces, they wouldn't have as many divorces

either. But most of the girls, like in the church you can't

have a temple marriage. Most of the girls strive for a temple

marriage. You can't have a temple marriage if you're sixteen

or something like that. I think a girl shouldn't get married

at that early age at the age of sixteen. They should at

least be eighteen or nineteen.

B: How old do you have to be to have a temple marriage?

C: You have to be eighteen years old before you have a temple

marriage.

B: Well, I'm dying to ask you this question. I'm asking simply

because I don't know. You have certain rules you have to

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follow in order to have, not anybody can have a temple

marriage, C r / '

C: No, not anybody. Someone that uses snuff, tobacco, or smokes,

or drinks and don't live the commandments and don't take of

the sacraments. -Sacraments is what we have in the evening time

and the morning. The water stands for the blood and the bread

stands for the body of our Heavenly Father.

B: Suppose Wvthe girl wasn't a virgin1could she have a temple

marriage?

C: Sure. She could have a temple marriage. As long as she prayed

to her Heavenly Father and she ...

B: Was forgiven.

C: And she was forgiven. If He'd give her an answer and she was

forgiven she could have a temple marriage.

B: Having a temple marriage, I'm glad you straightened me out on

that because I, you know, I sort of had the feeling that you

C: You don't have to be a virgin, no.

B: I think a lot of the Mormon church. I admire the in many ways.

But I'm going to ask you a question that I know that has

been asked to most Mormons at one time or another because, and

the reason I'm asking you is because I'm sure you can explain

it, and I'm sure there's a lot of misunderstanding about it,

And maybe some prejudice directed toward the Mormon church

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because of it, and that is the matter of multiple marriages,

more marriages than one.

C: Well, back then when they more than one marriage, the reason

they done it was because they was runned out of a town or

something like that, you know. And this man, there was more

women than there was men and so these men, they, the women
them
had to have somebody to support :AN and so they married them. And

that's the reason they had more than one wife. But now they

don't believe in it because that's not what the Lord wants.

They want to have one wife. For me if they had it now, I

wouldn't ever get married because I want to have a husband

for myself, not for a lot of people.

B: You're not going to share him with anybody, are you?

C: No, I want him to be mine, not nobody else's. Just for me.

the early days of the church?

C: Yeah, this was during the early days of the church. It was,

it's been a long time. I don't, I don't kpw too much about

the reason they had more than one wife, but I know that's

one reason there was more women than there was men. And

they, some of them had children. I knew this one man, he

pecting children, you know. And he had a lot of children.

And he prayed that he would be able to support them children

and everyi-, and he was too. I mean that was the Lord's

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work. If you want something bad enough and you pray for it

and things, you will, I think you will get it. The Lord will

if you do things like thts,

B: Lora, I want to ask you how you feel about interracial dating,

and don't tell me if you don't want to. But would you like

to discuss it?

C: Yes, I'd .-like to. I mean I think that if you love, like

I'm an Indian and this colored boy, and I love him and he

loves me, I mean, and if your par--, if it was all right

with your parents to date him, it was alright because your

mother and father can't stop you. from loving somebody and

husband or your future wife. I mean, I think it's a&leIg

but I, I hope that I won't. Now I used to go with this

boy, he was half white and half Indian, but he looked more

like an Indian. I loved him, which I still do. I don't

thinkAnothing abet4-interracial dating- or marriage either.

'Cause there are a lot of people in the world that, like ...

they're not the same races.

B: Do you think this might create some problems it would be

very hard to solve?

C: Yes. It says in the Bible something about to get your own 0 race or

some way like that .... in a way it's not right and in a way it

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is right. Iean, I don't really know ...

B: Do you know any Indian girls who date black boys?

C: No, I don't know any Indian girls who date black guys, but I

know this one girl, she's a white girl and she was going with

this colored boy at school she kissed him and things like

that. I don't see how she done it. It looks like it's nasty

or something. I don't know. I wouldn't do that. I don't

want to.

B: Well, you're not in love with somebody. That makes the difference.

C: Yeah. Well, I have been. But I'm not now.
say, a white
B: Now is the feeling the same if it's a, / guy and an Indian

girl? How about interracial dating between Indian and white?
oX AIel
6: Well, that's -a4ighst because I know this Indian girl goes with

this white boy and they seem to get along good. I mean I

don't think there's anything the matter with interracial

dating. If you love someone, you love them and your parents

can't stop you, not unless you're thirteen or fourteen or

fifteen like that ,$I B: Do you think our people are prejudiced toward other races? C: Well, some of them are, and some of them isn't. I'm not. I r mean I don't have anything against the white not the colored, but I think it's alrigit to interracial date. Or if you love them it is. B: Lora, how do you think your parents, though, would feel about LUM 163A 14 this? That's a thorny question, if you'd rather not answer it, well, just go on. C: Well, I'll answer it becuase I don't, I don't, I think th ey would say something to me about it. I don't want to fall in love with ______ ^-___________^_ No other person, no colored nor no white. I don't want to fall in love with them. I just want to love my own race 'cause I don't want my children to come out half-breed. B: Have you heard this girl's song which:: is so popular right now, "Half-breed"? C: Yeah. / B: And do you feel if you were involve with somebody of another race that this would create problems? C: Yes. B: Do you think these would be unsurmountable problems? C: Yes. B: I had a little experience with, you know, I love people of all I'd like races. And \- to j see all people _together ( I'd like to see universal brotherhood. But I know it doesn't exist. And if you get involved with some- body of another race it can be very hard on you, I know this. Whether it's right or whether it's wrong, it's still something practical you have to think about, isn't it? C: Yes. Well, if I would date a white boy or a colored boy, or LUM 163A 14 something likc that, I think it would cause problems in the home, too, because your mother wouldn't like him and your father wouldn't, and your sisters and brothers, they'd have something against him. And you'd never have a good life 'cause they'd talkobout him and things like that. B: Do you think you'd lose some of your friends? C: Yeah, I think I would. B: So if you ... if you were in love with somebody like that, you'd have to be sure it was really love, wouldn't you? C: Yeah. B: And worth all. the sacrifices you'd have to make. C: Yeah. And all the trouble you'd have to go through. B: Unfortunately people can make it very tough on you, if you don't conform to their standards. This is not right, but it is a prac- ticality. It is the way things are. And this is the way yeoa ULA- have to live. We- have to liv those realities' #lether they are right or wrong. I'd like to see they changed, but as yet they're not changed. Tell us some more things. How about your experiences in school? Do you have any problems there? C: Some. Sometime I have a problem. Like a colored person will hit on you, something like that. I know they should have better sense than to go around picking on people to try to start a fight. Then you're going to fight'em, something like that, s they be scared and they don't want to fight you. I don't think that's right: to. I\P't like to fight. Not unlessin' LUM 163 A 15 I have to. I think they shouldn't, students shouldn't go around pickin' on people and things like that. B: Do they seem to have a tendency to pick on you? C: Some of them do. And then you can say something to them sometime, you get them sort of scared and they'll leave you alone for a while. B: Wonder why this is? Do they think that you feel that you're better than them or something? C: That, sometime, sometimes that's right, but sometimes they, they just do it for kicks. Think 're scared of them and they beat on you. But once you show them t64 you're not scared of them- most of them will leave you alone. B: How about the attitude of the teachers? Do they treat everybody alike? C: I think they do ... 'cause, well, they have a little bit of all OF the races--Indian, white, and colored in our school. It's really it's supposed to be a white school, but since they mixed it up, you know, Indian, white and colored, it' not. B: Did you ... Lora, did you go to a ... did you go to an all-Indian school before you went to an integrated school? C: Yes. B: And do you remember those days real-well? C: Yeah, I remember them. B: Does there seem to be a sharp contrast between the old school you attended and the one that you attended or are attending now? LUM 163 A 16 C: Yeah. B: What are the differences that you've noticed? What are some of the differences that you notice? C: Well, to me you learn more since they integrated, I gefse. it's the kind of school you go to or something like that. You learn more, and you come closer, you have more friends in dif- ferent races and different things like that. B: Do you think the schools are better now? You said you learn more so I assume that ... C: Well, in a way they're better. I mean, it's, I think there'd be less fights and -if the school wasn't integrated, dft -s *s t the Indians go to their school and the white and the black goes to theirs, //h4 6/e,, n/o/<,?( When they first, when they first got, we got integrated, we didn't like it. I know I didn't like it. I wanted our own school back. We even went out to c /-c^-e which we shouldn't; that was our school. We shouldn't have, but we did. We was trying to get our school back. We didn't like it integrated. B: Uh, huh. That was a losing battle, wasn't it? C: Yeah. C, B: What do you think people should do to alleviate some of this ten- sion between races because judging from, you know, our discussion, there is some tension, interracial tensions, that still need to be dealt with, and at least looked at and discussed. Do you think there's anything people could do to establish a better rapport LUM 163 A 17 between races? the C: I was thinking that, but I couldn't give you answer.. I don't know. B: Lora, if you could rub Alladin's magic lamp) and suddenly the genie would appear and he would say to you, Lora, I'm going to give you one wish, And I'm going to give you the power to change anything you want to change about Robeson county. What do you think you'd change? C: I mean, if, I'd :rather for it to be all over the world because I'd like, it'd be my wish to stop the war. B: Stop the war. Do you mean all wars? C: All wars. B: Do you have any ideas along those lines? Well, the young people, and I believe in young people very much, I love young people, they have a song, "What the World Needs ..." C: "... now is Love, Sweet Love." B: Right. And when you think about this, this is what Jesus also taught two thousand years ago when he said/the first and great commandment is to love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself. Do you think if we kept those commandments this wouldn't do away with war? C: Yes. B: So then you .think Love, love for your neighbor, love for man- kind would, would do away with war? C: Yeah. LUM 163A 18 B: But how cahwe bring about this war _iLa I mean, how can we bring about this love, I'm sorry. C: Bring out the love? Well, I mean, you can show more love for your brethren and for other races, and they'll show more love for you. Now this one particular girl I have in school I love her so much. She, she don't attend our church or anything) but she is real nice and she'd do anything for you. It's just the way you feel about them. It's just what's in your heart. It's just the way theytreat you and things like that that makes you feel love. And if everybody would treat each other right and I things like that I think,/think there womld be more 'i love come about. I mean, not, you know, not love, I mean love like with yao brothers and sisters, too. B: Yes. There are many kinds of love. C: AMany kinds of love. B: Or several kinds at least. And I know what, the kind you're talking about: Which -wasthe same kind that Jesus was talking about, love your neighbor. C: Yeah. B: What do you think of our young people? C: Well, what do you mean, what do I think of them? I mean, there are a lot of things I think of them. B: Do you think they're any worse than young people were when I was coming along, for example? C: Well, some things they are/and some things they're not. Like young girls coming up pregnant now Back then there wasn't o Y LUM 163A 19 a then as there is now. There ,are more than there was then, I think. B: I'm not sure about that. I seem to remember that my generation was pretty rough, too. I want to go on remember that because --=-- --, you know) I don't want to feel that my generation was better than somebody else's. Our young people today have more opportunity. ehey have access to cars, more money, things like this. C: Yeah. B: Could this be the difference, do you think? C: I think, I think it is because a lot of the kids these days are getting kide. They have a lot more opportunities than the others. A lot of kids has more opportunities than the: other ones. B: Uh, huh. In your observation have you noticed this though. Say, kids who are better fixed, or kids who have more money, do you think they get in more trouble than the kids who have less money or what? C: I don't think so. All kids sometimes gets in trouble. But most of the children that are rich, or so-called, call theirselves rich or have a lot of money in their family, they think they're tough stuff, or something like that 'cause they think they can get cars and things when yeu want it. And most of the kids that do have a rich family or someVLng like that, they don't some of them don't get these things like cars and stuff. LUM 163 A 20 B: We had a little noise and a little disturbance; little Angela came in crying, and this sort of thing we couldn't prevent. Could now we go on a bit farther/,Lora? C: Yes. B: What would you like to talk about,? She sort of disconcerted me. C: Well, I don't know. Ask some questions. I can answer most that any questions, you ask. B: Do you think the drug problem is a serious problem now? C: Yes, I think the drug-problem is a serious problem because a lot of the young kids are taking drugs. B: Did anybody ever offer you any pot or anything like that? C: No. No. B: I understand it's floating around pretty freely. Do you think they're strict enough about drugs? I mean the authorities-- teachers, parents and so on. C: No. No,j.ause if they was it wouldn't be floating around. Kids wouldn't have it. B: Wonder where it all comes from? C: I don't know. B: Of course they say it's very simple to grow. You can grow it in your backyard. C: I haven't ... I haven't never seen a. You know, really to ich it, but I've seen it in ,.. I've seen it on films and LUM 163A 21 things like that. B: Uh, huh. Lora, what do you think we could do about this drug problem? Have you any ideas? C: I don't have any ideas what to do about it. Most of the parents could, you know, watch their kids more closely and things like that. And if someone seen this girl or this guy with dope or something they should at least tell their parents about it. Where nothing would happen, just have the parents to talk to them, you know, and ask them, did you take it and things like that. And if they did, stop. Or something like. that. Well, I have friends waiting for me and I've enjoyed talking with you, Mr. Lew. and if I could beg off I wouldn't mind if I could go right now 'cause I got friends waiting for me. B: Lora, you've been very wonderful. I've enjoyed talking with you, too, so much. You're very sweet to give me this interviewand I know you've helped a ot of us 'cause you think very clearly you see problems very clearlyand you think clearly. This is important. And I thank you for the time that you were able to give me 'cause this is the sort of thing we need. And I know you are sincere; you're a wonderful person, and I want to thank you so much for thp interview. It's very enlightening and very informative and very inspiring, too. C: Thank you. B: Bye, bye now. C: Bye. ...................End Full Text PAGE 1 LUM 163 A Interview w/ Lora Collins Wells, typist. Nov. 4, 1973 1 B: This is November 4, 1973. I am Lew Barton interviewing for the University of Florida. This afternoon I am in ~hannon, S-h-a-n-n-o-n, North Carolina) and with me is Miss Lora Collins. She is not the daughter of Mr. and Mrs. ~( Collins,. powever.J She is the cousin to the girl~and the boy I interviewed. Is that right, Lora? C: That's right. B: 0 L~ra, how about spelling your name for us, dear? C: B: C: B: L-o-r-a C-o-1-1-i-n-s. How old are you? I'm fifteen. Fifteen. You're alL-i\UJJ~) ancient~ arent' C: Yeah. B: What grade are you in in school? C: I'm in the ten th. : : you? B: In the tenth grade. Do you enjoy going to school? C: Yeah, I ii. enjoy.)_ ~f-. B: I enjoyed teaching the tenth grade better than I think any class I taught in high school. And I taught from the seventh through . -1-~""1!..th the ,J:welfth. q; thinkThe tenth perhaps was my favorite class. Are you in a large class? C: Yes, all of my classes is large. PAGE 2 LUM 163 A 2 B: Will you give us your parents' names? C: Peggy and Stedford -& Collins. B: How do you spell, 'course we can spell Peggy, P-e-g-g-y. But how do you spell your father's name? C: S-t-e-d-f-o-r-d. B: Stedford Collins. How mand-brothers and sisters do you have? C: I have two sisters and four brothers. B: Would you mind giving me their names and ages, or do you know their ages? C: I know. Linwood ~ollins, he's seventeen. Joyce Ann Locklear, she's married now. She is eighteen. And I'm fifteen. Lora, fifteen. And Roger Lynn Collins, he's eleven. Chester Collins is thirteen. B: And Patricia Collins is :I thinkten. How far do you live from the 'K~Q C: I live about a mile. B: About a mile from here? C: Yeah. B: And do you have many friends in school? C: I have a lot. Girls and boy friends. B: Uh, huh, but which do you have the most of? Collins4'ii? C: I don't really know. I have about, gosh, I have about ten or twenty a,,b~ boys talk to met-,.every day, you know. 'Tk+zi,'K al)_ 11 OWv... race, you know. Just talking. B: You are quite a girl apparently. Lora, you in appearance you are, you know, you look Indian. You've got beautiful black ---------------------------- PAGE 3 --------------------------------------------,------------------LUM 163 A 3 hair, long hair, do you always wear your hair long this way? C: Most of the time, but sometimes I fix it up in a ponytail B: It's very beautiful. C: Or I roll it, you know, may get some curl in it. B: And you've got a peaches and cream complexion. How can I ask you about your personal statistics? How much you weigh? C: Well, I weigh / 129. B: One hundred and twenty-nine. How tall are you? C: I'm about five foot four. B: Five foot four. Are your parents strict on you about dating? C: Well, I'm not dating. I was dating and I broke up with this boy. I'm not dating now but I talk to others, but I still, I still c/4 go now more since I don't go with anybody than I df,d go with this boy. But I still love the boy and everything and we still c\-aJ-.4:_ to each other and all. I think we're going to go back with each other. But when I get fifteen and a half they won't be strict on me at all. I get to go about once -------or twice out of the week I get to go off--go to tlM-movies and different places where young people should be. Not places where you drink and things like that~use I think it's wrong. I don't like to drink and take dope and things like that. B: Do you think very many of the young people take dope~ ~j marijuana? C: Yes, there are, I know some kids at school they take it. But I --------------------------------------------------- PAGE 4 LUM 163 A 4 mean to me people if I didn't what it was, you know, if it was smoking~ pill, I'd think it was aspirin or something like that. A I'd probably take it if I had a headache. But if I didn't know th.e people I wouldn't take it because I don't like dope. I ain't never took it. I don't know how it tastes or anyth;ing but I wouldn't have anything to do with it because I seen a program the other night on TV where this girl that had been given a dope and you know, she had one try and then they I!:, e-p){ 0.,, I -\o~\â€¢:5~ke it and finally she died. They had it on ~.f TV. Her name was Alice, girl's name was Alice. And they, they I\ the movie just they thought that she wouldn't mind if they done that. If I'd ever take it, I wouldn't want anybody to the done know it, but I don't want to 'cause I think it's harmful to your: body.~ Our church rules c\4t) on thi.ngs like~dating and are very, we have a very strict church things like that. B: Which church do you go to? C: Well, I go to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. uJ'lu_Jl, B: A-Some people call it the Mormon church, right? ,$. C: Yeah, they call it theMormoni B: They do seem to have good pr~irams for young people. MYA C: Yes, they have seminary and and they have primary for the /\ young, seminary is from twelve, no, seminlary you have to be in the ninth grade. B: Um, huh.

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LUM 163 A 5 C: From the ninth to the twelfth. And, you know, it's just a lot of fun. And MYA is from twelve years old to about eighteen. B: And what is MYA? What do those letters stand for? C: B: C: B: ,zt MY-, I can't, I,!orgot, I used to know what it was. It's a young people's program? It's a young people's program. And of course you have your own bus? C: Yeah, we have a bus. You know, every second Saturday in the month we go to Raleigh, up to Raleigh, you know to the church up there. That's part of the seminary. And you know, we have a it's called Super Saturday. We have a lot of , .. fun. First we go and we have our Scriptures and have a. lesson and that ~. night we have a
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LUM 163 A C: Well, yes, I think if every church was as active as the ~hurch ::::: of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints> I figure most of the young people would, They wouldn't, most Jk:i;;r::::fna,. Most of you know, go where the church should be. it'?:! of them wouldn't drink, and ~s +-l-lll \M _\$ I the churches like the Ha4 and things like that they just go there on Sunday and that's the only night. T1tey just go there and have preaching and ~t they're going to have and come on home. But which we have ours on Sunday and that Sunday evening, we have an hour in the ev~ng time, and we have it on a Wednesday night and a Thursday night, and on every second Saturday in the month, we go to Raleigh. B: Now what is it you do in Raleigh, dear? C: We, well, we go up there and we have see, we'se 'doing seminary. That's the reason we go up there is because we have seminaryjand we go up there really to get our books and things. And we have classes and we learn about the Gospel. of the church. And we have a dance. We get to know other people. We get to love them more and have more strength in the church and get other people attending the church. You know, just have a lot of fun for the young. The adults have a lot of 1" 1 fun, too. The, we have this /-/;s, .. Ft11r..ri/~~ the young, the young. ~-,,,"' ._ / .-<-"A And ,_ , ". ::, :. '-> for the adults, too. And this is whenever you want to have it. We haven't had it this month in November, but the young and the adults will have it pretty

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LUM 163 A 67 soon. We go and we have a lesson and after we get through having the lesson, which we have a lot of fun, you know, talking, have our talks, and after we do that, .. we .' have refreshments like punch. We don't drink-and things like that. And we don't -Sn u..-r-f. smoke, we don't use tobacco and smeke . .' These different things, I mean, I really think the Church of Jesus Christ is true be cause if it wasn't true, I don't think it'd be on the face of the earth. But I, I think it's a true church because it has all of these different things in it. And I think the Lord, l believe the Lord don't want us to do those things. He don't want us to drink and to smoke and to V\ use tobacco and Sf uff, 'cause in every way it harms your body. It has something to do with your body, it just harms the body. B: You think anything you do to harm your body is wrong? C: Yes, I mean, like smoking. It can give you cancer and different things like that. I think it's wrong. And anything to harm your body is wrong. B: How do they feel, how does your church feel about dating? :I r,A-Lt\',-Y,..J /re they, how old do they figure you should be before you start dating or do they have ? C: Yes, they have a certain age now. Just like if they boy or the girl was going to just go sit in their homes, about fourteen t, year~old or fifteen. But the, mostly, like I went to Georgia. The dating average was sixteen. a half you can go. And I think But down here it's fifteen and aJ.i A\:),J' that's~ I mean,

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LUM 163 A 8 you're a teenager when you're thirteen or you're supposed don't to be. But most girls don't be mature and most boysAbe mature by the age of thirtten. But they really want you to be at least fifteen and a half, sixteen when you start dating. I think a girl\hen they go off with a boy, most of the time if they're about thirteen something likethat, they can't control , you know, they couldn't help theirself or something like that. B: You think they might get, they might be tempted to do som~ng ~:::C: They could be, yeah, they could be tempted to do something they're not supposed to or the boy, like the boy drinksihey could fool them into drinking. Like if you was really strong in the church like I am, I mean I have strong feelings in church qo fJ and I do want to gt:Q.W stronger., -'They have in there a temple marriage for the young, too. And I have set my goal 'cause I wanted to be married in a temple where I can have eternal life with my husband. And like if my husband died, I could, I could have another temple marriage. Arid then when I get to heaven, I'd have to pick which one I'd want to spend eternal life with. And I figure if I do that I would, the first one I married, that's the one I'd want to spend eternal life in. B: According to~at your church believe~ if you have a temple marriage +o/', ~,'WA. this hallows the marriage and you live eternally 1 1''"is that right? C: Yes. Yes, that's right. You live etern"7(7 if, I mean, when

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LUM 163 A B: you get married in the temple, you have to go a certain length of time before you get married in the temple--make sure that you love each other and you're not going too anything wrong, and try, just try to do your best, and then you live the commandments. When you get married in the temple you live the conmmndments and everything) and you get along with your , husband. Most of the people that I know in the church that has had a temple marriage, they stay in the church. They've been mar ried a long time. And I think if most of the young people would ~e a temple marriage and be infhe LDS churchftthat stands for Latter Day Saints, we call it LDS or the Mormon -churc~ they would, they would stay, they would, their marriage would go on and on for eternity. And then, you know, they wouldn't have divorces, they wouldn't have as many divorces either. But most of the girls, like in the church you can't have a temple marriage. Most of the girls strive for a temple marriage. You can't have a temple marriage if you~e sixteen or something like that. I think a girl shouldn't get married at that early age at the age of least be eighteen or nineteen. sixteen. They should at How old do you have to be to have a temple marriage? C: You have to be eighteen years old before you have a temple marriage. B: Well, I'm dying to ask you this question. I'm asking simply because I don't know. You have certain rules you have to

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LUM 163A 13 is right. fean, I don't really know B: Do you know any Indian girls who date black boys? C: No, I don't know any Indian girls who date black guys, but I know this one girl, she's a white girl and she was going with this colored boy at school~ 2 he kissed him and things like that. I don't see how she done it. It looks like it's nasty or something. I don't know. I wouldn't do that. I Jdon't want to. B: Well, you're not in love with somebody. That makes the difference. C: Yeah. Well, I have been. But I'm not now. say, a white B: Now is the feeling the same if it's a, /_ guy and an Indian e: girl? How about interracial dating between Indian and white? Q.M I\ \~tdWell, that's -alrighs because I know this Indian girl goes with this white boy and they seem to get %1ong good. I mean I don't think there's anything the matter with interracial dating. If you love someone, you love them_,and your parents can't stop you, not unless you're thirteen or fourteen or fifteen like that 'I!,,. , r B: Do you think our people are prejudiced toward other races? C: Well, some of them are, and some of them isn't. I'm not. I r mean I don't have anything against the white no~ the colored, oJ.. "\def but I think it's aJrignt to interracial date. Or if you love them it is. B: Lora, how do you think your parents, though, would feel about

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LUM 163A 14 this? That's a thorny question, if you'd rather not answer it, well, just go on. C: Well, I'll answer it becuase I don't, I don't, I think they would say something to me about it. I don't want to fall in love with /o other person, no colored nor no white. I don't want to ;all in love with them. I just want to love my own race 'cause I don't want my children to oome out half~breed. B: Have you heard this girl's song which: is so popular right now, "Half-breed"? C: B: C: B: C: B: Yeah. 0 -J'Ad . Io\),() And, do you fee\if you were in'folee"with somebody race that this would create problems? Yes. Do you think these would be unsurmountable problems? Yes. of another I had a little experience with, you know, I love people of all I'd like races. And /\: ,: to ;; see all people ----===;;x..._-together I'd like to see universal brotherhood. But (/ I know it doesn't exist. And if you get involved with somebody of another race it can be very, hard on you, I know this. Whether it's right or whether it's wrong, it's still something practical you have to think about, isn't it? C: Yes. Well, if I would date a white boy or a colored boy, or

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!.UM 163A 14 sO!mething likc. that, I think it would cause problems in the home, too, because your mother wouldn't like him and your father wouldn't, and your sisters and brothers, they'd have something against him. And you'd never have a good life 'cause they'd talko.bout him and things like that. B: Do you think you'd lose some of your friends? C: Yeah, I think I would. B: So if you if you were in love with somebody like that, you'd have to be sure it was really love, wouldn't you? C: Yeah. B: And worth all). the sacrifices you'd have to make. C: Yeah. And all the trouble you'd have to go through. B: Unfortunately people can make it very tough on you, if you don't conform to their standards. This is not right, but it is a practicality. It is the way things are . ii (,: And this is the way w-ehave to live. Wehave to liv~~tho-se realitiesj ,ffiiether are right or wrong. I'd like to see they changfed, but as v they yet they're not changed. Tell us some more things. How about your experiences in school? Do you have any problems there? C: Some. Sometime I have a problem. Like a colored person will hit on you, something like that. I know they should have better sense than to go around picking on people to try to start a fight. Then you're going to fight'em, something like that, they be scared and they tJ',:i'-" think that's right. toJ don't want to t.:... "S,~Ltr [l,--l! I I ~'t like fight you. to fight. I don't Not unlessin'

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LUM 163 A 15 I have to. I think they shouldn't, students shouldn't go around pickin' on people and things like that. B: Do they seem to have a tendency to pick on you? C: Some of them do. And then you can say something to them sometime, you get them sort of scared and they'll leave you alone for a while. B: Wonder why this is? Do they think that you feel that you're better than them or something? C: That, sometime, sometimes that's right, but sometimes they, they I.{()\).. just do it for kicks. Think "ft're scared of themJ and the~ beat on you. But once you show them te~ you're not scared of them~ most of them will leave you alone. B: How about the attitude of the teachers? Do they treat everybody alike? C: I think they do 'cause, well, they have a little bit of all or the races--Indian, whit 7 and colored in our school. It's really it's supposed to be a white school, but since they . mixed it up,-you know, Indian, white and colored, it'\not. B: Did you Lora, did you go to a did you go to an all-Indian school before you went to an integrated school? C: B: C: B: Yes. And do you remember those days real.well? Yeah, I remember them. { Does there seem to be a sharp con,rast between the old school you attended and the one that you attended or are attending now?

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LUM 163 A 16 C: Yeah. B: What are the differences that you've noticed? What are some of the differences that you notice? g t,,<..R.4--!, . C: Well, to me you learn more since they integrated, I~. it's the kind of learn more, school you go d . pe_ an you /tome to or something like that. You closer, you have more friends in different races and different things like that. B: Do you think the schools are better now? You said you learn more so I assume that C: Well, in a way be less fights they're better. ,:;i,~(VYYl,.L'lt.,Gi and~if the I mean, it's, I think there'd }-f school wasn't integrated 1 /t w~s .}us.t the Indians go to their school and the white and the black goes to theirs.) }J/41 'ti f?p s~~o d-c( When they fi'f'st, when they first got, we got integrated, we didn't like it. I know I didn't like it. I wanted our own school back. We even went out ttl /ic--y /5â€¢..vr,â€¢vv~ .. :6f , which we shouldn't; that was our school. We shouldn't have, but we did: We was trying to get our school back. We didn't like it integrated. B: Uh, huh. That was a losing battle, wasn't it? C: Yeah. C, B: What do you think people ~uld do to alleviate some of this tension between race~ because judging from, you know, our discussion, there is some tension, interracial tensions_, that still need to be dealt with, and at least looked at and discussed. Do you think there's anything people could do to establish a better rapport

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LUM 163 A 17 between races? the C: I was thinking that, but I couldn't give you .â€¢T/ answer., I don't know. B: Lora, if you could rub Alladin's magic lam1;arid suddenly the II genie would appear and he would say to you, Lora, I'm going to give you one wish, ,.And I'm going to give you the power to \\ change anything you want to change about Robeson county'--'. What do you think you'd change? C: I mean, if, I'd :rather for it to be all over the world because I'd like, it'd be my wish to stop the war. B: Stop the war. Do you mean all wars? C: All wars. B: Do you have any ideas along those lines? Well, the young people, and I believe in young people very much, I love young people, they have a song, "What the World Needs " C: " now is Love, Sweet Love." B: Right. And when you think about this, this is what Jesus also taught. two thousand years ago when he saidrthe first and great commandment is to love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself. Do you think if we kept those commandments this wouldn't do away with war? C: Yes. B: So then you ,think Love, love for your neighbor, love for man kind would, would do away with war? C: Yeah.

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