Title: Interview with Linda Gail Locklear
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LUM 145A

Miss Linda G. Locklear (L)
Pembroke, North Carolina

Interviewer: Marilyn Taylor (I)
August 2, 1973

Typed by: P. F. Williams

I: My name is Marilyn Taylor. Today is August 2, 1973.

I am recording for the Doris Duke Foundation for the

American Indian Oral Studies Program. This afternoon

it's about twenty till seven and I'm on the Pembroke

State University Campus tennis courts. And with me

I prevailed on a student I talked to some days ago

about an interview-i and she promised me one when I

could catch her so I finally caught her today. And

I'll let her tell her full name--and spell it, please,

for our listeners who are in other areas and maybe

not sure about the name.

L: My name is Linda Gail Locklear, 1-i-n-d-a, g-a-i-l,


I: All right, Linda. Who's your mother and father?

L: Uh...

I: Take your father first if you like.

L: Howard Locklear and Viola Locklear.

I: And what does your father do? His occupation.

LUM 145A 2

L: _1_' C_-_ I live with my guardians.

I: You do?

L: Um-hmm [affirmative].

I: Well, tell us about that and how that came about if

you'll share that with us.

L: I'd rather not talk about it.

I: Is it something that's too personal)that you feel is too...?

L: Um-hmm [affirmative].

I: Well, could I ask you without getting too personal, how

long have you lived, or how long would you say you've

had a guardian?

L: Ten years.

I: Ten years. I don't think we established your. age.

L: Eighteen.

I: Eighteen. And I believe you have plans for college, do

you not?

L: Yes.

I: What college have you chosen to attend?

L: Pembroke State.

I: State...?

L: University.

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I: And do you know when this fall...is it this fall you're

entering? This next semester?

L: No, I started this summer.

I: You did?

L: Um-hnm [affirmative].

I: You started in the summer program. What were the courses

that you took this summer?

L: English 105 and Art.

I: And art. Who were your professors on these? English,

take it first.

L: Miss Lewis, and in art, Miss Harmon.

I: You came through these OK, I imagine, since you're

planning to come back in the fall.

L: Yes.

I: Um, did you come in on the CO...is it the COP program

or...I just wondered because this is a program that

not too many people are familiar with but a great many

students do come in on it. It's those that have not

taken the college...

L: SAT's.

I: SAT. But we have learned by research has supported that

those who come in on the College Opportunity Program

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usually make better grades and are on the Dean's List

a lot more than those that passed the SAT's. So that

should say something about motivation. Maybe they want

to come more.

L: They do.

I: You know, or they have the desire to. It's not to say

that a person can't pass the test. Many people are

sort of test...anti-test in a sense that they tighten

up when taking tests, but I think with your college

career you'll see this loosen up some. I'was one of

those people, too, and I just like to see OJq 0-

LS getting through. So I think you'll make it.

We have high hopes for you anyway. What field of study

do you want to enter into, a- major?

L: Either go to law school or coaching. You know, some

kind of teacher profession in physical education.

I: In physical education. We have all kind of noise around

us. I should explain to our listeners sincewe are at

the student courts, and Linda's having friends waiting

so there's noise, background noise all around, students.

How did you get interested in law, Linda?

L: You know, I just wanted to go into corporate law...

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I: What made you...what was the bug that started you? Do

you remember some experience in your life when you felt

this, or was it a gradual thing that came on you or was

it something that just hit you one day that you'd like

to do this?

L: Gradually.

I: What do you think was the thing that, you know, set it


L: I...one day I went to the courthouse and I heard a lawyer

in there and I was impressed by the way he done and every-

thing. I started reading a lot about the career and then

I finally decided.

I: Finally decided what?

L: That I might like to go into it. I'm not sure.

I: I want to ask you to talk to the mike because what you're

saying--I wish we could record your smile--is going out

that way and we want to get it this way. But would you

like to describe yourself?

L: Me?

I: Yes.

L: Physical appearance?

I: Yes.

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L: Five foot...

I: We want to get your vital statistics and all this. We

can see you being a future beauty queen around...

L: No.

I: Maybe some of the sweethearts for the sororities and

this kind of--or the fraternities, rather.

L: I'm five-foot-five and a hundred and ten, and...

I: Top to bottom.

L: 34-20-35.

I: OK, and let's see. You can describe your complexion

as what? You got a suntan all year around?

L: It's tan, uh-huh [affirmative].

I: OK. That's good. And dark eyes and dark hair.

L: Brown eyes and shoulder-length brown hair, curly hair.

I: And real white teeth.

L: And real white teeth.

I: With a real pretty smile.

L: Well, if you say so.

I: Yeah, well, you use that smile. It'll get you places.

Because it is a very pretty one. What...have you signed

up for the courses that you expect this fall?

L: No.

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I: What are some of them that you think that you might like

to take?

L: Um, math and English 106 and'Spanish and probably...yeah,

physical education.

I: You've got a load there. Do you realize that?

L: Um-hmm [affirmative].

I: Have you had Spanish before?

L: Three years.

I: Well, that ought to be, as we say, a crip course, but

I hadn't...they say there's some around here but I've

never found one. Perhaps I'm a little bit dense up-

stairs. What do you find your easiest subject? What

comes easiest to you'in what you've studied so far?

L: Spanish and biology.

I: And biology. Have you had any poli-...sit up here.

L: Political thoughts? No.

I: Yeah, anything of this nature to tell you about law?

Where was it in court, what town were you impressed...?

L: In Lumberton.

I: You remember the lawyer?

L: No. It was a long time ago.

I: Well, this is sort of fitting and proper inasmuch as

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we had five Lumbee students to graduate from law school

this last year or sometime in May. And one of them

happened to be a girl.

L: Um-hmm.

I: I understand she was one of the...you know, with the

highest grades. So it's not out of reach at all if

this is what you want to do. Tell me something about

your ideas. Do you go steady or some of your dating...?

L: At one time I went steady but now I don't.

I: How did you find going steady as compared to not going

steady? Which would you prefer? I mean, did you like

the best. Is it good to sort of be...you know, when

you're going steady you're sort of assured of a date

and sometimes when you don't, you don't...

L: No.

I: You don't...

L: I didn't look at it that way. No, I just went steady

because I liked the person. And then when my interests

started going other places, we just decided to leave it

on an open basis, you know, always go back together.

I: And date other people. OK. What's your favorite sports?

I noticed you've been playing tennis. What other things

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are you interested in?

L: Basketball and gymnastics.

I: Have you had any experience, any participation in these

or is this just something you want to go into?

L: Yes, I've played basketball in high-school some and I

can do a few gymnastics stunts. I haven't had any

training but I can do a few.

I: Um-hmm, you just picked up and learned on your own.

Well, this is good form. Perhaps as we exercise for

a good figure, maybe this has something to do with it.

L: No,IInever thought of it that way! You know...

I: Well, it goes sort of hand in hand, I'm told. Exercise

could help us all, myself included, I guess. How do...

you live on campus in the dormitory?

L: Yes.

I: How do you find, or did you find it to be adjustment to

coming from home? Coming from a home where you say

you were had a guardian and so on, and I take it you

didn't live with your immediate parents. Did you find

it an adjustment coming to college life and living in a

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dorm and having to be around other people and sort of

adjusting to them. Maybe you didn't always get to do

things just when you wanted to, maybe so much noise of

mayhem or studying and so on. Just people around you.

Did you find it an adjustment?

L: A little. I mean, I didn't have to adjust that much

because at home I was always very social, active.

I: When do you find is the best tim for you to do your

studying, or...?

L: Uh, late every night or early every morning.

I: You find it easy to get up in the morning?

L: Yes.

I: What do you call early?

L: Seven-thirty.

I: Seven-thirty. So you keep your afternoons free for what,

recreation or whatever you might choose to do?

L: Yes.

I: And you study late at night or early in the morning. Do

you have to study that much? I mean, is it...?

L: No.

I: So far you haven't. But then you haven't carried a full

load, or won't until this fall, is that right?

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L: Yes.

I: When you sign up for your courses, do you expect to,

or has it entered your mind to pick your professors

or pick the courses?

L: Courses.

I: You hadn't considered...

L: Professors? No.

I: The word hadn't got around which professor is better

and so on and this stuff...?

L: Yeah, I've heard words about them, but...

I: And what's your opinion about it when you hear a person...?

L: All of it's not true, because I know from personal ex-


I: How'd you find this out?

L: Everybody was talking about one of the teachers out here,

and I happened to get him or her, and what they said

was not the truth.

I: That wasn't, but sometimes it's just a matter of per-

sonalities. It might be true for that person but maybe

not for you. But then it's a chance...a part of education,

learning,lI-gdess, -this-difference in personalities.

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What do you find is the major significant thing that

you had to adjust to coming from, you know, as to home

life, college life, so on?

L: Authority.

I: Authority. You had more authority at home or at college?

L: I have more at home, but I had to get used to the fact

that nobody was around to tell me what to do.

I: At home they were always sort of telling you which way

to go and how to step and so on?

L: Yeah.

I: Do you find you like this? It's a type of freedom that

imposes your own discipline, isn't it?

L: Yes.

I: Do you like to be your own authority, or...?

L: Own boss?

I: Or your own boss?

L: Yes.

I: You like this better?

L: Yes.

I: I'm not sure what the rules are here now. Is there a

certain curfew that you have to be in at?

L: Yes.

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I: What is it for the girls now?

L: One o'clock every week-night, and on the weekends two


I: You mentioned {fone time you went steady, or do you

date pretty heavy now?

L: No, just occasionally.

I: Occasionally. Do you find that...not enough that it

interferes with school?

L: Not enough that it interferes with school.

I: When you go steady, your say on a regular basis when

you don't date anyone else, what...to you, how many

nights a week would you say this would be?

L: Twice.

I: Twice a week. What about weekends?

L: Once.

I: Would you see the person...

L: Yeah, one day a week on weekends.

I: What day would this be?

L: Either Saturday or Sunday.

I: See, we like to get the dating attitudes or habits

eUBO /Ol__ ,,,, this is-the lifestyle, you know,

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to <
try and get R_ IA g_ college students.

Each one varies. We have our own barometer and so on.

What are your hobbies, any other outside interest you

have that I haven't mentioned?

L: Reading and dancing and art.

I: What type of dancing?

L: Modern. No, combination of modern dance and sort of

classical, yes.

I: Do you have dancing lessons or anything of this kind?

L: No.

I: You just pick it up...

L: Just pick it up on my own.

I: You must be sort ofI self-teacher.

L: Uh-huh affirmativee.

I: Self-improver, or are you just...?

L: Self-improver.

I: ...always picking up things along. Sounds like you learn

rather quickly. And what was the other one you mentioned?

L: Reading.

I: What type reading do you like the best?

L: Uh...

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I: For recreational reading.

L: History novels and classical.

I: I said for recreation!

L: Oh, but that's why.

I: Really?

L: Uh-huh affirmative I've read some...

I: Sounds like we have...

L: ...books like Love Story or maybe Tale of Two Cities,

but that was in high school.

I: Do you take notice of what's on the best-selling list,

anything in the fictionary or non-fictionary...?

L: Yes.

I: I'm thinking of a book. Have you read, like The Greening

of America or Future Shock or any of these books?

L: No.

I: They're supposed to deal directly with young people and

how...what they're involved in today and all this stuff.

What is your attitude--and we don't have to be afraid of
the police because we ,rJOlirexpress our attitude...

L: Yes.

I: ...even though he's standing nearby. Do you think

LUM 145A 16

marijuana ought to be legalized in the sense that we're

talking about like alcohol controls so that each, you

know, if you go out...if you take it in your mind you

want something you know it can be had but you don't

know how good how pure or what arejgetting. And I

say it being controlled, sort of like the alcohol

beverage control. In other words, you know it's been

inspected and you're buying good stuff. And I mean

stuff that's not...in other words, it's not got battery

acid or something like this in it. But how do you feel

about marijuana? Do you think it should be, maybe, or


L: I think it should be legalized because then maybe a lot

of people would quit taking it. Because a lot of them

just take it because it's forbidden and they like to

feel they're doing something that they know they'll get

in trouble if they get caught.

I: In other words, it's sort of a defying authority...

L: Yeah.

I: ..-and partaking'of forbidden fruit. Does that seem

attractive to you, things of this nature?

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L: No.

I: You don't have that adventurous a spirit then, do you?

L: No. Yeah, I have an adventuresome spirit but I sort of

watch what I adventure into because a lot of my friends

have been messed up and got in trouble. I learn from

other people's experiences.

I: Well, that's good. It's cheaper that way. It's also

wisdom. But how have some of them gotten, as you say,

messed up? In what sense of the word do you mean that?

L: Two were killed and one...let's see. One of them, she

was killed. Yeah, she was killed.

I: Um-hmm. In an automobile wreck or was it something of


L: A fight. Something like a fight.

I: What do you think about the women's lib, Linda? Do you


L: To a certain extent, or to a certain point I believe in

women's liberation. But not all the way.

I: What points would you feel the strongest on?

L: Um, the points that women should be paid the same as men

if they can do the job just as good.

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I: Equal pay for the equal job. OK.

L: Yeah. And they should have the right to decide whether...

no, I don't say that.

I: Go ahead and say that, because I'm fixing to ask you

would you be in favor of legalizing abortion.

L: Yes.

I: Coming under the argument that a woman or a girl should

have the power...

L: Yes.

I: ...or the control of the destiny of her own body. Why

would you be in favor for legalizing? In some places

it's legalized. I'm not sure it's implemented, but...

L: I'm only in favor of it being legalized because of the

fact that a lot of children are born and they never get

taken care of and are abandoned or sent to orphan homes

and they lead bad lives. And if their mothers or parents

would have had abortions when they were born or before

they were born then they wouldn't have to endure such

a bad life.

I: What do you think about this ______Zero

Population? Do you think...you know, last year--of

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course, you wasn't on campus--but we had guys going

around wearing the lapels saying "I've had my vasectomy,"

which I think is an operation so that they couldn't

pregnate anyone-or impregnate anyone, I think the word

would be. But do you think this is a good idea? I

mean that, you know, we're creating ourselves to such

a large extent that we're really just smothering our-

selves to death.

L: Yes, But it does have some bad effects.

I: How do you think it would...I mean as far as the men

go in taking responsibility ofControlling the population?

L: I think it's a wise idea.

I: As opposed to the women? Do you think it'd be easier

on their...?

L: It'd be easier on the women.

I: Easier on the women? Easier on them for the men to do

it? To have the operation?

L: Yes.

I: And you have your reasons for this.

L: Right.

I: Of course, some are obvious, but what would be the main

reason you feel like this?

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L: Then a woman wouldn't have to take pills because it's

not known whether all of them are safe or not.

I: Right.

L: And she wouldn't have to have an abortion.

I: Which to a woman, abortion would be a major operation.

What about the simplicity of it for a man? Do ou find

this to be an advantage for a man...?

L: Because if he had that operation he could store his

sperm, and if he ever wanted another child he could

use it.

I: Well, you've been reading science fiction but these

things are coming true every day. You know that, don't


L: Yeah. I know it's been done before. I mean, they've

stored the sperm and then used it.

I: Yeah, we have these sperm banks just like blood banks.

L: Blood banks.

I: And so on. Not only for the man, you know, maybe that

same man to use it, but they try to match it up with

another, you know, couple that has similar characteristics

and so on, for people who maybe for one reason or another

LUM 145A 21

can't come together as a couple and have children. Uh,

do you see yourself someday married and having a family

of your own?

L: Yes.

I: How many children would you right offhand say that you

would like to have maybe, if any?

L: Two.

I: And of course, by the time you get ready to have children,

hopefully, let's hope you get through college anyway, you'll

be able to pick the sex, because the science will advance

that far then. So what would you choose..?

L: Boys.

I: ...,._ girls, or what?

L: Boys.

I: Why? You have a reason for that preference of boys?

L: No, I just always liked boys, and I feel that it would

be easier to raise them, and because being a girl I

know some of the experiences they have to go through


I: Did you grow up by any chance with boys?

L: Yes.

I: You did. So you were in some sense of the word a tomboy,

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and this was why maybe you're interested in sports.

L: Right, yeah.

I: Well, I can share this with you because I grew up with

seven so I can see your feeling on this. Do you think

it's an advantage for a girl to be a tomboy as she's

coming up?

L: No.

I: You don't?

L: No.

I: /"' 'it'd be better to be sort of sissy and frilly...really?

L: Yeah.

I: Well, to balance this off and justify I'd have to say

that research has proven that girls who are active all

their life, you know, in sports and things like this

adjust to things of womanhood a lot better, going through

menopause easier, have children easier, and this kind of

thing, if she keeps her body, you know, active in sports

and what-have-you. Have you ever thought about the kind

of husband that you would like to have? Some of the

qualities and the things that you would...

L: Yes.

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I: What's some that come to mind right...?

L: Honesty and intelligence and...

I: Do you want a husband to be smarter than you, or...?

L: Absolutely.

I: Why do you see that this is necessary?

L: Because...I don't know. I guess because I don't like

dumb men, and I wouldn't want somebody I could handle

or know that I was smarter than him.

I: Would you want a man that would rule the house, so to

speak, or would...that you would... it'd be a sharing

of making decisions and so forth?

L: 9'{l4l-r' in making decisions.

I: You'd want him to consider you a little bit then, wouldn't


L: Right.

I: What's some of the other...you didn't mention any par-

ticular characteristics...

L: You mean looks?

I: Yeah.

L: Let me see...no, it doesn't really matter how he looks.

I: How do you feel about interracial dating? Would you

consider dating someone of...do you identify with the

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Lumbee Indians?

L: Yes.

I: All right. So would you date a white guy or a black

guy...I mean speaking personally, and everybody has


L: Right. I'd prefer not to talk about that either.

I: You prefer not to talk about it. But you don't have

any strong feelings. Do you think it's a matter...

let me ask you this. Do you think it's a matter of

the person, what they want to do, personal conscience?

L: Yes. And also public opinion. That affects a person

a lot.

I: Yeah. Well, in other words, you think about you might

do something if you just had yourself to consider but

you've got...

L: Yes.

I: ...to think about what...

L: Everybody else thinks about it.
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L: Yeah.

I: And the people that love you, how it affects them. Um,

we're coming into an age where many people are having

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trial marriages in the sense that we have, you know,

a license to...what do you call it? To, uh...

L: To just try out.

I: Yeah.

L: And if you're not satisfied, then...you can decide.

I: Right. You get a license maybe for six months and

of that six months or whatever time period you select,

if you see that you're, you know, you're not happy,

you go separate ways or either tie the knot for, you

know, permanent. How do you feel about this? Do

you feel that it would help society or that it would

harm it? Would there be less marriages? Would it

cut down, you know...

L: No.

I: ...the society as a whole, do you think?

L: I think it would affect it bad because a lot of people

would just go getting married just for fun knowing

they're not going to have to stay with the people

the rest of their lives.

I: In other words, it'd be just a lot of trial marriages

and that's about it?

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L: Yes. No eay- S t 5s o -.

I: What about if a pregnancy occurred within this trial

marriage? Do you think that two people should go ahead

and come up to the responsibility of having the child

or should they consider abortion? Because you mentioned

earlier that, you know, you didn't...

L: If they didn't...

I: ...think any child should be born that wasn't really


L: Yes, that should be done. I mean, if both of them are

not going to stay together and the mother wasn't sure,

the father wasn't sure what he wanted to do about it,

then they should have an abortion.

I: I want to get back on this pot thing. You mentioned

that it _D_,-__/ sometimes forbidden. Do you think

the laws now the way they exist is too harsh?

L: No.

I: In other words, if a person's caught maybe with just a

little bit on them or something that they...it goes on

their record and they can't hold certain jobs, not even

be a filling station attendant or work in a service

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station or sell groceries or anything like this that

would deal with the public where they could pass the

stuff, so it really...much less in a law profession

or anything like that usually is, uh...

L: The laws are probably too harsh for them, but per-

sonally, I feel they shouldn't have it in the first

place. Maybe if they believe in it then they think

they should but that's how I feel about it.

I: Did you go to Pembroke? Which high school did you

go to?

L: Prospect High School.

I: Prospect. To your, you know, just estimation, do you

feel that pot was very plentiful there, or...?

L: No.

I: None at all.

L: Scarce, very scarce.

I: Yeah. Not many of your friends participated in it at


L: Not at school, at high school they didn't.

I: What about Pembroke here? Prospect's what, three miles

from here? What about as you come to Pembroke, do you

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find that'it's a little more available, able to get,

or do you hear friends talking about it being...?

L: I hear friends talking about it.

I: So you think it's a little more available. Do you

think the college accounts for this, maybe, the fact

that the...or is it the college-oriented people that

have it?

L: The oriented people that have it.

I: This is people from the college or the community?

L: The people.

I: In the community? That bring it to the college?

L: No, it's outsiders,II think.

I: Outsiders come to the college?

L: I think. Now, I don't know.

I: Yeah. Well, this is, you know, all we do is we think,

and that's what we want, your opinion. I promised you

I wouldn't keep you too long, and that you had to go

to the dorm. And you've given some good answers and

certainly contributed to the program. Do you plan to

join the American Indian Association here on campus

when you...this fall?

L: Yes.

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I: Do you want to be a person that's involved in bettering Tr 01

the American Indian...

L: Indians? Yes.

I: ...and tJbe J- e l l !i American Indian.

Well, the program that I'm working with, Doris Duke

shares as well as the University of Florida, has appropriated

money for this purpose. And perhaps before...the program

is relatively new, but perhaps before you graduate you'll

be able to go over here in our library which we can see

from here and pick up these tapes and maybe hear your

own tape.

L: Maybe.

I: Because we'll be mass-produced and you'll hear live,

you know, live people, and this is Doris Duke's idea,

that the Indians would tell their own story. Is there

anything that I haven't mentioned or I haven't asked

you that you would like to contribute or say in any

way? Maybe I've overlooked, because it's hard to always

just get...

L: No.

I: ...everything. Let me ask you this. If it was in your

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power in some way, just assume that you were a person

in such a position, that you could do anything in the

world to improve human relations, be it, you know,

Indian, black, white, polka-dot, what-have-you. Purple,

yellow. What do you think is the one thing that's

most needful, and if you could bring it about what

do you...?

L: Understanding.

I: Understanding...

L: And communication.

I: : ..in what sense of the word? Let's go a little farther,

with it --

L: In the sense that everybody, you know, everybody just...

everybody has some sort of optimistic feelings\about

one another and they just walk around and they don't

really trust one another. f_ //L_-_\ _t_

I: All right. We realize this is a problem and this is

certainly a need. How could we bring this about? You're

in the position to bring...you know, all-powerful. You

can do it.

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L: How could I do it?

I: How could you do this?

L: I don't know. I'd have to think about it.

I: OK.

L: There's probably different ways it could be done.

I: All right. Now, do you remember the question?

L: Yeah.

I: Can you repeat it back to me?

L: You said that if there was anything in the world that

I thought that could improve the relationship between

human beings and it was in my power, what would I do?

What was it?

I: And your answer was what?

L: My answer was understanding and communication.

I: Better understanding of people and communication...

L: And communications.

I: All right. My next question was how would you bring

it about. You know, you have to have...

L: And I said I didn't know for sure.

I: ...a program, right? Some kind. So I'm going to leave *.

this question with you and with me and those of our

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readers. Because... and our listeners. Because I

think it's a question that certainly there is a need

for. It's one that's all through civilization and I

think it's one that we should work on on a day-by-day

basis in whatever little ways that we can. It might

be...we candy something earthshaking, but sometimes

little things can help this. And I want to thank you

very much, Linda. I've been looking forward, as I

said earlier, for an interview from you, and finally

glad that I got you to stop, and I appreciate your

giving this time, because it certainly will help the

program and you've contributed a great deal. And I

want to wish you luck...

L: Thank you.

I: ...in your college career and I'm sure you'll have it.

Because you seem like the girl on the go, so keep it

going right on, now. Bye-bye.


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