Interview with Ray Dantzler June 26 1974

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Interview with Ray Dantzler June 26 1974
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Gainesville June 26, 1974

Sub: Ray Dantzler

Int: Ted Burrows


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T: .... YaMknow the dates of employment and all that kind of thing. And uh... -whei

you 4had said something like July iinctoen-ferty-aine to August -nineten-fi.-fty-seven

but uhPwas there a break in there at anytime?

R: Yeah. Yeah there was a break in there....

T: During the Korean War period? /

R: I went back in the service. July of fesanie ,would have been a part-time


T: As a student?

R: Yeah. Yeah. As a continuity writer.

T: Mn hmm. That's right. Yeahlthat's what it said.

R: Leonard Mosby hired me then.

T: Right.

R: He was continuity writer. He hired Larry.... Gunter? A little short red-headed

guy I. Out of uh.... I think one of Paul Jones' writing classes. I'm not sure

of that.

T: Mn hmm.

R: tit, li, -rt. yri,,,,' And uh... let's see then I graduated in June of- ift and went

full-time. Uh....

T: Still as a continuity writer?

R: Nnnnno. I think I went full-time as assistant manager if I'm not mistaken.

T: What was the pay scale back around then? Do you remember off hand?

R: Pretty bad. (chuckle)

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T: Inflation has probably inchccrd T .(chuckle)
R: Gosh it seems to me we got fifty dollars a month part-time. And my first full-

time job in fifty was two -hundred a d tweint-y-fve dollars a month. And uh

when I left in .... I think the end of August in fifty-seven I was making four

and a quarter a month.... and I remember taking a pay cut to go into television

at u channel twelve in Jacksonville.

T: You must of really wanted to get into television pretty badly.
T dcld,
R: I,I did.A And it's uh probably one of the smartest things I ever didI guess. flaughl

T: Well you know radio is seems like it's on the upswing again. There's all kinds

of things happening. But uh.. let's see now. You said you were over at the

old building then when you went on duty.

R: Right.

T: What was it like over there? I'm trying to piece together details on like uh1

the physical facilities. Was it cramped or spacious? Your impressions.

R: Uh, generally it was adequate. We had, let's see as you went in the downstairs

you entered the main door from the....... east .... and walked into a small lobby

uh... in which we had about three desks. Secretarial desk, a traffic gal. Uh....

I.... I don't recall who else was there at the time. On the extreme south end

of that room there's a closet area. Immediately to the right of the main door

as you went in was Major Powell's office uh... in which he and his secretary were

housed. Uh if you went straight through the open door in)you went into the

sound lo k.... through a small hall into the main studio he only studio

we had at that time. Uh in the sound loc off to the south was a control room,

the AM control room.

T: So the board man sat there in the control room?

R: Right and he could see.....

T: The announcer was in the studio then?

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R: No. The board man and the announcer were one ,f the same.

T: Oh, O.K.

R: In the control room. Uh we had a separate microphone in the control room A

little news desk for the rip and read operation we did. We had the facilities

of the studio for whatever we wanted to use. I recall a huge grand piano that

stayed there for.... until we moved.

T: So that was big enough in case you wanted to bring in a small orchestra for a

live performance or a .... piano player whatever?

R: Oh yeah. Yeah. Toby Dowdy used to bring his uh.... country boys in in the

morning. He used to do an hour and a half two hours and they would do it

live from the studio there and we had a number of gospel groups uhlon Sunday

mornings. Uh... we taped... Professor John eBri. ..."Adaptation of a

Christmas Carol"in there one time.., with a cast of thousands it seemed like.

It really wasn't of course but it was kind of crowded at that point.

T: So that'seems to have become a tradition. Uh Lester Hale started doing it

I guess not long after that and he's continued it every year uh...

R: Well, as I recall Les was doing it then in the public function.

T: Oh but he didn't do it on the radio?
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R: this was a dramatic adaptation that that uh Prf BeBrif and his old voice

teacher here. He didn't do any of the air work himself.

T: Oh but he actually got people to play the parts?

R; Yeah he wanted to do it and coach them. And uh just fine old gentleman. And

let's see, going back to the physical structure, that was about half of the

downstairs. Between the door to the manager's office and the sound loek

door there was another door to the right, tothe north, and went up about three

stairs as I recall and what used to be the old transmitter room but it had.....before

I got there it had been moved out on the Newberry Road. And :- what was a

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R: transmitter room was then the record library mostly with huge bins for records

and we had a small continuity desk area over there in which we wrote the copy

and prepare the books for the next day.

T: O.K. You say this is still downstairs, right?

R: This was still downstairs, yeah. Uh off the north, I'm sorry offthe south....

west corner of that room was a small FM studio which also overlooked the main
studio from the north. The AM room overlooks from the east.

T: And that FM was reasonably new too wasn't it at the time?

R: It... had just been put in operation about the time I got there. I think it

was less than a year old in uh... in forty-nine. I don't recall the exact date.

T: Yeah, I'm gonna have to check into that. I think they put it in about the time

they put up the new tower out there west of town. I think they roughly


R: That could well be. Yeah hat was as I say, before my time and I don't recall

the exact dates on it. But on the south side of that main old transmitter

room the flight of stairs going into an upstairs area in whichuh.... we subs. /i,

uhju at that day we had uh the accounting function, the two people, oh I

guess they were both part-time. Uh sales office. One man sales office. And

I forgot what was in the third room.

T: That's O.K. Somebody else will know. (chuckle)

R: Alright. The main room you went into I forget the accounting'-buldirrg, the extreme

south end, the sales was back to the east, but I do not remember unless it was

an announcer hang-out or something like that which it may have been.

T: YdAknow that could've been because I)I hear some of theAfolks who worked there

then. Uh Bob Leach, I think Bob Smith, um... some of the other guys who were

around then said it was it was almost like a social club over there. Even the

guys who weren't on duty would go over and hang around. They'd play cards

Did you.. was that the kind of atmosphere there was at the time?

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R: I think it was, yeah. II don't think as assistant manager I was supposed to

know about much of that card playing thing.

T: At least the announcers did. (chuckle)
R: Yeah I'm sure the announcers did and there was a comraderthere I'm sure that

uh that lasted for many years even up in the new studios here. Uh...

T: Was there a place that was referred to as the guard room or something to that

effect where one or more of the announcerS/ould actually sleep or live? I'm

told that there was. Now there is upstairs but I'm trying to figure out how

far back that goes. Upstairs, at least it used to be. Theyguy who signed on

early in the morning, the guy who signed off late at night had first call on

living there because of the convenience.

R: That's awfully familiar but I... yeah I'm inclined to think there was and this

would have been a little room off of that.... old transmitter area. I would

have been to the.... east of the transmitter room and to the north of the manager's

office was the entrance from that old transmitter room.

T: Maybe it wasn't used all the time. Maybe it was used uh.... for an emergency?

R: I think maybe that's true. I think it also housed some janitorial supplies and

a few other odds and ends. laugh) And I believe there was a cot in there

as I recall. And uh Bob would know. He used to sign on more than anyone else

I recall.

T: Yeah. See I'm I may ask a lot of different people some of the same questions to

,kin/ compare memories.

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T: Uh what are your recollections of Major Powell. He seems to have been a2quite a

colorful personality.

R: Uh yes, I would concur in that a hundred per cent. Uh... as far as I'm concerned

I guess he was my patron aeee because he gave me opportunities which I probably

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R: would not have had otherwise and I'm certainly indebted to him and I had the

opportunity to travel with him on a couple of occasions to um Florida Association

of Broadcasters meetings and uh.... as a result of that he was very close

friends with Dr. Tigert.... and on one of those occasionsA I think it was in

Miami, Miami Beach, I've forgotten when, I had the opportunity to uh)to meet

and talk to Dr. Tigert on a more social level than most of us students didwith

the university. At that point he was Professorp Iy.. President" 'i- ilLUL,

I guess. He was /o jrry here at the university as such. And he was k1a-r. very

VI' dynamic individual and I was very much impressed with him. 4ehn Powell was uh....

was not as dynamic as Dr. Tigert, let's put it that way, but he was a very

forceful individual. He had very definite ideas about broadcasting. He had

been in it uh.... immediately after World War I. He flew with uh Eddie Ric enbacer

in the ;A: t as you recall, and uh he and Ric enbacer remained

friends up until Powell's death. Very close friends. Uh.... he conceived the

idea of using the university radio station as a training ground for announcers and

I suppose his greatest -4 quote unquote were Red Barber.

T: Right. I think Red was also just about the first student to go to work at the


R: Certainly one of the first, yes. Uh... in the late twentiesearly thirties, I've

forgotten exactly when. And he,he loved young people and uh.... he would never
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let us get together and -Je- 4 et him a Christmas present and uh although we

violated that one time and all of us almost got canned as a result of it. Uh...

he-he was just a very fine man. interruptedd by phone)
T: ... about Major Powell because along with the history of the station, I've given

some thought to maybe doing ohLi- might amount to a magazine article, kind of

a biography, of him as best I could piece it together. And I know his widow

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T: is still living in Gainesville.

R: Mm hmm.

T: And I'm sure I eld get some information from her. I'm just beginning the

personal interview part of this thing. I wanted to make sure I got enough background

information so that I could at least ask sensible questions. Um... you say

that the major help you a great deal. Did he seem to take that approach with

with all the men that worked down there or...? I don't wanea-ask in the sense

that he played favor, butbut did he feel this way with everybody?

R: I think so. He had a very uh.... a very personal concern with everybody who

worked down there. And this included some of the full-time people, the

secretaries and girls like that, most of whom were as I recall, wives of

students goinggoing to school here and uh... it was not a question of ya6t

know hire'em, pay'em for whatever they do, and let em go. He was.... concerned

with their personal lives and their problems and financial problems and I

guess we all had them then as we do now. Uh..... he once told me that.... if

he wouldAleave me one piece of advice to lead me through my life it was don't

get too personally involved with people you work for. I didn't really understand

that at the time. I think I have a better idea of what he meant ..... uh when

he said it but unfortunately that's certainly one piece of advice"I can't follow

because I think I... I adopted his philosophy of uh of working with employees,

that they are personal human beings and you can't always set up aAsuper structure

on paper and fit people into the various niches. Sometimes you have to amend

your organization to accommodate certain talents or certain idiosyncrasies and

I think there is a constant evaluation of uh... value quotient of an individual

versus an irritation quotient if you will. And I don't mean that in anyuh.....

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R: personal remark about anybody in particular. It just is a thing any administrator

constantly goes through I feel. He did it. I didn't really understand it at

the time but I do more now than I ever did then. And I understand the reason for

his advice but he couldn't follow it and I think many people can't. Although

there are very iron-fisted administrators who can and they will probably say

this is one of means or re... reasons for their success is that they... that

everybody is uh... a thing, just one other entity in the corporation.

T: I suppose sooner or later every administrator has to make that decision. Do

you operate the organization as a big happy family sort of thing with everybody
interacting informally or do you keep it X rigidly uh broken down, categorized.

Did he have a set of like hardened fast rules that everybody had to go by? Do

you remember any particularly stringent regulations that he never liked to see


R: Not really. Uh he tended to treat us which.... I uh I admired it at that point,p*i-

I still do admire as relatively intelligent human beings yaqknow it wasn't

a question of uh I hire you and I pay you x number of dollars now here's exactly

what you do one, two, three, four, five. Uh basically you were brought in there

and whatever function you were assumed to have a certain background to qualify

you for consideration then the opportunity was there for you to expand horizontally

or vertically I think in that particular function or'to other functions....within

the radio station, the broadcast station. And he was always very very accessible

to anybody. Uh hardly a day went by that I... he didn't walk through the entire
h-en (4A
station up until the time he was hit with some ill heop and couldn't climb the

stairs. But uh prior to that he was up there at least once a day talking to

people, how are things going. He was interested in the job and the individual


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T: So he didn't just sit in his office all the time, he was out moving around?

R: Right. And he was out selling the station ..... commercially selling the

station,public relations-wise selling the station, he was a spokesman for the

broadcasting industry in this area because when that station came on the air

and when he assumed directorship of it... .. it was the dominant radio station

outside of Jacksonville maybe,and one in Orlando.

T: Mm hmm. Right. PBD down in Orlando.4Y( TA...

R: The whole northcentral and uh WMBR used to be in those days.... uh in Jacksonville.

And of course,these people were all members of the radio pioneers. Glen Marshall,

who used to be the manager of WMBR...... and I can't think of the gentleman who used

to manage their Orlando station, but he functioned for a number of years after

I came in contact with the industry and they were all very close so I knew

Walt Tyson in Tampa and uh..... the blanks are coming back. I'm sorry. rhuckle)

T: Right. Well that's why ... yeu. know that's why I want to talk to other people. Now...

R: Let me throw one thing in here which might trigger some other research on you.

During the AS CA P strike, and you'll have to check the dates on that, I honestly

can't remember,but Powell was instrumental in ..... the formation of what

eventually became to be know as BMI Broadcasting Incorporated. And the initial

meeting was held in the Old Whitepouse Hotel right down here in Gainesville.

T: No kidding?

R: Yeah with Powell and Spencer Mitchell out of Tampa and Walt Tyson and uh Glen

Marshall from Jacksonville.... and the gentleman from Orlando who's name completely

escapes me and there were a couple of people out of Miami and I didn't know


T: But this was in the early fifties probably? Is that right?

R: I think so,when we were playing fehn Foster records on the air is about the

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R: only thing had left and uh... it was set up)originally set up here and uh

eventually became Broadcasting IncpPorating-.

T: Let's see, where's BMI's headquarters now?

R: Chicago I believe.

T: Chicago. Yeah that kind of rings a bell. That's interesting, I'll follow

that one up. Uh I've heard all sorts of things connected with uhMajor

Powell. He must of been a busy man all his life.

R: He was the uh.... the father of little league baseball rii (- -.,.

T: So I understand and something about the flag day code? This June fourteenth

uh where we celebrate

R: I have heard that too but unfortunately I did not know about it at the time the

Major was alive. I never have_

T: I think Jim Camp wrote a newspaper article about that. I'll have to check

with Jim on that but uh...

R: Also Powell uh right after World War I, set up the equivalent of the first

broadcast network which was not a network as we know it today with a bunch of

stations tied together with a telephone line or microwave. It was as I recall

something like seventeen or nineteen stations all reading the same script, per-

forming the same program at exactly the same time on a given day and it had
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to do with.-Gds for World War I veterans in conjunction with the American

Legion. He was a very uh..... very devout legionaire as I recall. Very active

in the Legion on many occasions and this... out of this also became the little

league thing.

T: I'll have to check on that too. It may be that his widow/ might have some uh

more information. Perhaps he left some papers, some memoirs, things like that.

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R: I would assume so, he was a prolific notetaker. He didn't always save everything.

He used to throw a lot of things away every afternoon I know. He'd go over to his

desk and throw it here. He made notes on just about everything. And one

other incident that I recall discussing with him very briefly, although at the

time his memory was failing on him, it had to do with ..... a hurricane approaching...

the Gulf Coast area and a sri a call from a friend of his down in Tarpon Springs,

that the sponge sweep was going to get hit with this thing if corrective measures

were not taken. And as the way, as the Major recalled it,he had a Greek speaking

friend in the restaurant business here in Gainesville, he'got him on the telephone,

brought him out here and put him on the air because he'd been told by his

friend in Tarpon Springs that these Greek boats always had AM radios and they

always listened to WRUF. So with this friend came on in Greek, warned them of the

hurricane, they apparently got the message and supposedly got to port safely

because of this particular aQcidn-a part of RUF and Major Powell and just

other interested citizens.

T: Hmmm. I wonder when that could have been?

R: Let me check my files when I get home. I have a reason to think I used that

in an article I wrote about him at one point in time.

T: Fine and uh if I could ask you for a further favor, if you happen to have any

of the manuscripts from old articles you may have written, if you'd be kind

enough to lend them to me for awhile or perhaps someone could make a xerox

copy down there um...

R: Be glad to.

T; Um if you don't mind, I wouldn't use the whole things but if, if I could quote

small parts out of them, I mean this is a scholarly project. I've2I'm working

on my master's thesis and that's what this is. Um, and I think uh... it could

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T: have some value for broadcasters around the state. I know there are a lot of

folks around here who have worked here in the past. I think some of the students

here would profit by knowing exactly how this station developed over the years.

R: I think that's very true. He was a very uhs4tuc/4 o! Rotr; too. And a long

time member of the Gainesville Rotary Club and uh)I'm sure a number of .rtg-o/d

time Rotarians still around can contribute to your information on him.

T: Mm hmm. What network was uh the station affiliated with then? Was it still

Mutual or had it become NBC?

R: No it was Mutual at that time. It didn't become NBC until uh..... oh I believe

it was in the sixties if I'm not mistaken.

T: Mm hmm. Yeah of course I could check with Ken Small on that. He might have the

paper work on that.

R: This was also one of the first Associated press subscribers in the state I'm

told because of Major Powell's personal friendship with ....... Oliver.... I

weana say Gramling. I'm not sure. One of the first presidents of AP.

T: Mmm. That name kind of rings a bell. I may have read it somewhere but I could

check on that.

R: Hmm. That may be in something I have in my files at home. (chuckle)

T: But now this was in the days before TV really made uh)large scale inroads into

radio programming. U, you didn't program all music I suppose you had u) perhaps

some uh daytime serials, maybe some talk shows.

R: Oh yeah.

T: What was the program....?

R: We had a great number of shows. One side l' on this uh TV-a-d i1rft1

into radio, I recall very specifically a conversation with Major Powell. Shordy

after channel four in Jacksonville went on the air and we were able to get

the signal here in Gainesville and, Couch's radio and television operation, which

may still be in exsitence, you'd have a set in the window down there

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R: every night and they would have adspeaker outside. Uh you could either go

down and listen to it and watch it or go inside. Obviously, they were trying

to sell TV sets. And a policy question came up as to whether we were going, as cL

radio station, were going to advertise this availability of television on

a Couch's commercial. And uh this was X very early days of television and Major

Powell said, "Ray there is ncC way in the world that we'reegtfa beat it .... so

we might as well join it and make the best of it". And I think this was his

philosophy with communications in general, that don't try and sty- anything,

let's get into and help promote it along...... because we all weitd stand

profit from it. As for programming in those days, uh the Mutual network had

a great.... a goodly number of newscasters, fifteen Wintute newscasts were

very popular e.chtas Brown,steh-s Hardwick, Cecil Brown, Frriek Hardwick,

and I guess the number one guy was Po-r-I- Lewis at seven o'clock every

evening. And in those days it was originally sponsored by University Chevrolet

and at some point their sponsorship ceased, for whatever reason,I recall uh

selling it to First Federal Savings and Loan which is where it stayed until

the time I left. .Daytime programming uh.... Tom Moore for example, The Ladies

Be Seated Program which originated out at Winter Haven citrus exposition on

a number of occasions. fJh... the Breakfast at Brennan's was one of the earlier

programs in the morningThere were quiz shows that came and went. I really

o/ )don't recall what the afternoon programming to any great extent.

T: What about local shows? Did you originate any out of here specifically for the

local audiences? Maybe talk shows or news?

R: We had some local newscasts. We used to do a fifteen minute local.... state

and local newscast in the evening. Uh....

T: Did the station have its own reporters or was this mostly off the wire service?

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R: It was mostly off the wire services. I recall a guy name Bill Coleman and

I, on different occasions .tried to be a one man local news operation and (chuckle)

it was a great experience for us. I'm not sure that the listener got much

benefit out of it.
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T: It's kind of tough to 4madl the whole area singlehandedly.

R: Yeah. We used to work it with the Gainesville Sun frequently. I remember

Bobby Beard down there and he'd say well know we'd work with the Sun and

uh maybe uL quote a few things from them on a local basis and plug the fact

that details were in the Sun because there's no way in the world radio or

television can ever put out the verbage of a newspaper, the detail of any

-'<.,,-3r sr. There was very little local news per se. We did costly

wires and wire service. We originated several programs here and I think

some of them are still uh still going with Ot/is Boggs particularly, -aa-

Gator football preview during football season. And we also originated the

broadcast of all the uh Gator games for a number of years over anywhere

from thirty to fifty station throughout the state. Ot/is called 4em uh) J "/1

S, -,l' tA-crr people were at one time. Bob Smith was one time, Ted Covington,
who still does some of it I think, uh Bob Leach, uh Norm Davis, who subsequently

went on to Jacksonville and is now down in Miami as assistant manager of a

station. Uh.....

T: Do you happen to know which station?


T: Good, I...

R: Channel ten.

T: I'll uh contact him.

R: Fine.

T: See everyone I talk to puts me on to somebody else.

R: I'm sure he'd be glad to help yaC,

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T: Mmm hmm.

R: Uh..... most of our program originates into our music tr 405y of disc

jockey shows and we all thought we were the world's greatest disc jockeys to

come down o hk in those days.

T: Uh so did I. 6tA S

R: And uh.....

T: Just for the heck of it, let me ask you this before I let you go. I don't

--wanna keep you here too long cause I know you have some other things to do, but

what was.... what can you remember as the most humorous thing, the funniest

thing that ever happened to you while you were working? Or what's the most

humorous event you can remember while you were working here?

(pause) Is there anything that stands out in your mind in particular?

R: Uhhvaguely. Uh.... there were several. That-we had an announcer named Don

Smith...... who used to do the night shift. And Bob Leach can probably

give you some more details on this because he was part of the.... one of

the perpetrators. In fact, he was the major perpetrator on this one. And

what gets into Bob you never know, but he's one of the funniest people I've

ever known and he has the weirdest sense of humor.

T: I've noticed that. And he could talk for weeks at a stretch about the old

days yarknow.

R: Right. Yeah. But Don was doing the eleven o'clock news one night, which was

a wire, rip and read wire thing in fifteen minutes, and uhlike many of us,

once we got into it we tended just to read what was there and not really know

what we were saying. And at one point, about ten minutes into the show, Leach

went into the control room, this is when we were down at the old station, the

old building, and put a piece of paper in front of Don in which appeared to

be a bulletin. And Don finished what he was doing, picked up the paper, read

it, put it down, and just went right on without any reaction at all.

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R: And we'd-we had a Western Union printer out in the officeaJBob had gotten

a piece of wire... wire service copy paper, put it in the printer, and

typed on it "Heres a bulletin from the Associated Press. Fort Sumpter

has just been fired upon. We will stay tuned for later details".

T: (laugh)

R: Which was 4 0J O- e iW fI And I guess the funniest thing was.....

T: A hundred years too late. (chuckle)

R: that)that Bob Leach was out in the lobby looking through the window and just

broke up because Don didn't do anything. He said... he said he read it just

as written. Another time I recall Don.... not Don but Bob Leach and guy
named Denny Prevatt JW used to be a morning DJ. He'd follow Don on and ....

they would do a.... I guess when Bob came on to take over the DJ chores

Denny went out and got a newscast together and came back and put it on. Gabriel

ewe was a nighttime newscaster on Mutual in those days and at some point Denny

read the newscast and uh inserted a local comment for.... of something. The

content escapes me at the moment. But uh, Leach was sitting at the control

board and as soon as he did that he opened his mike and said on the air, he

said "Thank-you Gabriel heff". And uh Denny broke up. He could not finish

the newscast and so finally they just had to cut the whole thing off and put

a record on. And then they got into a shouting match. And shortly after that

particular newscast they had a fifteen minute news show and then.. .A network

news show and then we had a fifteen minute gospel show. By the time we got

into the gospel show, which was being done with the old transcriptions, seasac

transcriptions as I recall, uh had coffee, announcqEto read a few well

chosen words, and go with the record. And it was a very religious oriented

program and Bob and Denny got into an argument which was..... certainly not

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R: for broadcast. And they would scream bloody murder at each other and just about

that time the recorded run out and the minute they'd kick the key it was

just dead silence. You had to stop in the middle of the sentence. Then he'd

read these very.... religious oriented words, get it in the music, and then

pick right up as though you had not missed a beat.

T: And then they'd go back to shouting at each other every time they closed the mike

key. (chuckle)

R: Thought this was very strange how they could almost anticipate it and do it,

but I guess having done it so long I guess they could.

T: (chuckle) I'll have to ask Bob about some of these things. Uh one of the things

I'll do of course is check one persons memory against another. That's....

Someone is at the door You want in? Oh I guess it's your office too, I keep
forgetting that. Ray, this is Frank counts, one of our producer-directors. This-

is Ray Dainler from WTVT in Tampa. I wana. tank you. Listen I ought to let

you get out of here. It's uh.... you've got a few more calls to make.

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