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Interview with Nina Lowery, October 1, 1975

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Interview with Nina Lowery, October 1, 1975
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Lowery, Nina ( Interviewee )
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Urban Lumbee Oral History Collection ( local )

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This text has been transcribed from an audio or video oral history. Digitization was funded by a gift from Caleb J. and Michele B. Grimes.

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Samuel Proctor Oral History Program, Department of History, University of Florida
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This interview is part of the 'Urban Lumbee' collection of interviews held by the Samuel Proctor Oral History Program of the Department of History at the University of Florida
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UL-39A
Subject; Nina Lower*
Interviewer: Lew Barton.
Place: Baltimore, Md.
10/1/765



B: This is October 1, 1975, I am Lew Barton, recording for the University of

Florida's History Department's American Indian Oral History Program. This

afternoon I am in the library at 211 South Broadway, in Baltimore, Maryland,

here at the American Indian Studies Center. And with me is a very pretty young

lady who ha# kindly consented to give me an interview. B5 sh )just a little

bit nervous, she said, but I think shl )be alright when we get started talking.

Would you mind telling our friends what your name is?

L: Nina Lowery.

B: .-I-N-A...

L: Yeai.

B: L-O-W, you spell it.r.

L: L-Q-W-E-R-Y

B: L-0-W-E-R-Y. Uh h. M who are your parents?

L: Avis, and ?'|Ohd(C Li-'r .

B: tUwm-a. Tha A-V-I-S?

L: -BB4Bt.\yJ,

B: And how do you spell the father's name?

L: R-0-J-0-D-I-E.

B: iVkwa Brewer, B-R-E-W-E-R?

L: M -sa. -:,

B: Okay. And I take it you are an adopted child, right?

L; :Mw no.

B: Well, tht) not the importan4y)g, how old are you?

L: Nineteen.






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B: Nineteen, y4 did you graduate from hig school yet?

L: No.I quit in the ninth grade.

B: You quit in the ninth grade. Lftmb. Do you find it very difficult in

school here?

L; lwai, no ftgSmz not really.

B: MU mt. How many brothers and sisters do you have?

L: I have six brothers.

B: No sisters.

L: No.

B: You tt only girl in your family. the only boy in my family. And I

think that where the i just one of a kind, they get kini of spoiled. .'Brb
ro
gamM-an are you awfully spoiled aBnund home?
5s
L: Yesr.

B I'm afraid that happens. Tat? kind of nice though, isn't it?

L: Yea

B: To be spoiled a little bit) %lb get attention from everybody. i would you

mind telling us your brother s names? W SS, you wouldn' know each one's

age, would you?
oldc \/'"s
L: No, not the two azd cAn, t4t's Jim, Clayton, Avery, Ricky,Buck, and Tommy.

B: 'Q3a. How old is the youngest one?

L: Eleven.

B:-*a=dhm. And ohe's)the baby, Let's see, 'ti, where do you go to school? 1

L: I did go to school at UtITlC t! (-j/ Junior high.

B: Where is that? W Dt the name of the school again?

L: HG ,-i d if f Junior high.

B: %,, how do you spell that name? Just for the sake of our poeple who will be...

L: \ -A- rf\ -S -: f:. [A \ L-.






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B: H-A-M-S-T-E-D H-I-L-L, two words, higfschool. Thank you very much. ,

what things did you like best in school?

L: I liked everything except math.

B: -l- Everything except math

L: YeAr.B:What are you doing? Are you working over at the restaurant?

L: Yes.

B: What are you going to do over there?
90 rq l,
L: n gsna waitress.

B: Waitress. I dlj think e'e said yet what the name of that new restaurant is.

, would you tell us the nate of it?

L: It's called the council fire.

B: The council fire. going to feature Indian-preferred food. Ulfth. Are

you Lumbee?

L: Yes.

B: Have you lived in Baltimore all your life?

L: No, for about eleven years.

B: About eleven years. Well, I shounj be asking you this, but which do you like
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beat?

L: North Carolina.

B: Well, do you plan to return to North Carolina someday?

L: Yelsir, maybe when I get married.

B: Umh. Does your Qtfriend live in North Carolina? Or Baltimore?

L: No, he lives here.
JIs
B: Well, -mte ee, if ityan Indian boy, he probably plans to return to Balti-

North Carolina too, doesn't he?

L: Yeah, maybe someday.

B: mri-i. '9 I ha en' talked to "a many people who dot plant to return some-

day, I dcnQ think t our people like city living as well as they like






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like the rural areas' Fn Carolina.

L: Yeak, probably most of them stay up here so they have some place to work,

because you know h&ad=dancL th. sort of hard down there to get a job.

B. -n.. r'. .- .F.... did you play ball when you were in school?

L: No, not hardly ever.

B: tm=. What do you think of Women's Lib movement?

L: ZMs, I don' care that much for it.
the
B:;Mk, do you think that man should be'absolute head of the family?

L: Yew.

B: You think women are, you think most Indian woman are happy with such an arrange-

ment?

L: Yeak I think most of them are.

B: I hav n met any Indian woman libbers yet. That I know about, VF, some of
I think,
the things they advocate are good,'like equal pay..,

L: sTj-

B: or equal work. But k I don't like to go overboard. %, how bout training,

do you think V& children are strictly trained when they are brought up in Indian

homes?

L: b yei, I think so. IL.^

B: When I was coming up they used to call bedtime if you started dating a girl,

you went to see the girl they call bedtime about nine o'clock or something.

L: Yel4, th4) right.

B: Do they still do that?

L: Now 1i )more like, maybe about ten-thirty at the latest.

B: 4t=amh. !Tr" W .C. tO a still l call bedtime, don't they?
,9
L: Yea.

B: Well, maybe tsa good thing, I think maybe you can be too strict or too lenient.

There maybe good extremes in either direction. Speaking of stern, myself,






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hb4 .Nhat do you plan to do over at the restaurant?

L: jl af ust be a waitress.

B:-Mhtz. Have you ever done any work like this before?
&rr gor1'i t 'ro
L: No. They gemn train us.
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B: lfrhak' cooking good oayer there,

L: U4_1f, Ct's)real nice.

B: _-ihp wh goingg to be your boss?

L: t let's see, ioib'Ok l4 I think.

B: I believe e an '

L: y ~

B: 8^ let's see. Do you find being an Indian in Baltimore city is an advantage

or disadvantage?



B: You think t'sa disadvantage or an advantage? Or you never thought about it much?

L: Never thought about it very much.

B: Fi h-uk If there was anything iyou c4ld change about the Indian community at

all, r3Ip in any way, if you had one wish, what would you wish for, for Indian

people.

L: Better housing and highway.

B: Better housing. I understand 0t they're doing something about that, don't you?

L: Yeh, they're doing ... pmma projecand things down my street dw.

B:,r _are the buildings very crowded in the Indian community?

L: Most of them are. They aent the tS ones that are run by the city, that are

city are pretty nice. Some of them finally... but the ones ignsM2 by private C^ S

there pretty run down. That like, some of them ddt/have electricity, like

that.

B: Well, I hoping 461"_-_ 'yipj-efiw this building project will be com-

pleted soon. It should be completed within the next couple of years, or maybe






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less.

L: YeFk, I hope so.

B: LSj9. ERr-u-;, anything you would like to talk about? How about schooling

over here? I was wondering about the training at school if l like the training

back in Carolina. Have you gone to school in both places?

L: Yes, Ih, the ones in North Carolina are a lot better than the ones they(4ve up

here.

B: Is that right?

L: Yeah, I think I was in about the third grade when we came up here and I started,

what we learned in the third grade down there we learned in the fifth up here.

B: Is that right? bAs&b. Do they teach sex education in schools back home and here?

L: They do, I think they do here and ti from sixth on up Ib i buj \ oD -hba I

gont)know if they do it now or not. But they did when I was going to school.

B: B you.think-ndit hil-1ren'-ei'ty tt-sY .. .t a I

LthiQ re-foret m t do you think city children are generally smarter than rural

children?

L: No. The ones who 1 '1/g I --" ." schools are .dMbr, and 4, all right, maybe
maybe
you know,'the ones who go to Catholic school, t ey' a little bit smarter.

Some like that.

B: You think the 4 -ciancP ap.ge -yung-galel E more chances for young

people to get in trouble in the city than in the rural areas.

L: No, they get in trouble more if they live in the city.

B: More temp tions or what?

L: Ye4h, th t' sit. tIe, like the gangs that live :in the city, they ont have

many .'\ rj COtur .

B: Urnb You have lots of gangs in the city?

L: Yeak, a lot of them.

B: They're kind of dangerous, aren't they?






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L: eia

B: You suppose therea lot of pot and that sort of thing floating around?
I guess/--
L: Y i,'therel a lot of ah. TCN- .r piO:j ,

B: Oh yes, no doubt about that. 'B, well I want you to know that e've ,

thoroughly enjoyed this interview. And though ydu'r' a little nervous and you

-F wantJ terminate it, I know, I want to wish you good luck and Godspeed,

in whatever you intend to do. Just keep as nice and sweet as you are...

J ..

B: ...you gonna do all right.

L: Thank you mister. Goodbye.

B: Goodbye.





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ULA Subject; Nina Lowery Interviewer: Lew Barton, Place: Baltimore, Md. /1/715 L B: This is October 1, 1975, I am Lew Barton, recording for the University of Florida's History Department's American Indian Oral History Program. This afternoon I am in the library at 211 South Broadway, in Baltimore, Maryland, here at the American Indian Studies Center. And with me is a very pretty young lady who hai kinctly consented to give me an interview. Uil;,i ~hG just a little bit nervous, she said, but I think sh@e alright when we get started talking. Would you mind telling our friends what your name is? L: Nina Lowery. N B: _.I-N-A 5 L: YeR. B: L-0-W, you spell it L: L-Q-W-E-R-Y B: L-0-W-E-R-Y. ffi,p bnh. _}fho are your parents? L: Avis, and P,0'1c)c~'/ic Brc~_(~ r B: Uffl, Awm. Tha~A-V-I-S? L: -1lfflt. ye::::;, B: And how do you spell the father's name? L: R-0-J-0-D-I-E. B: ~Brewer, B-R-E-W-E-R? B: Okay. And I take it you are an adopted child, right? L; lia! go. r., B: Well, t~ not the importanm\t!h how old are you? L: Nineteen.

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2. B: Nineteen, .-., _gid you graduate from hig,school yet? L: NoJI quit in the ninth grade. B: You quit in the ninth grade. ~b. Do you find it very difficult in school here? L: no not really. =' J B: ttm.::h:c:uw-. How many brothers and sisters do you have? L: I have six brothers. B: No sistersi L: No. B: Yo~ tM only girl in your family. the only boy in my family. And I think that where the~just one of a kind, they get kini of spoiled :m:n:::m, .;y_mi;z:aze ,)'Gu, ~re you awfully spoiled a~und home? s L: Yew. B@afraid that happens. T~1 kind of nice though, isn't it? L: y~ B: To be spoiled a little bi1:J mind telling us your brother"is 1 names? I,..,' get attention from everybody. fib. ~ould .,,,.~ ;::; ~, zou wo4~ know each age, would you? you one's old"-.::iL r~ L: No, not the two lot,_x::ds::.:tt:t. ~, tfc0t:_~~) Jim, Clayton, Avery, Ricky,Buck, and Tommy. B: ~How old is the youngest one? L: Eleven. . >,--..,.~-;, And: he's) the baby. .. ,. __ ..... Let's see, ''t$., where do you go to school? L: I did go to school at Ha.m..sf-cr-( IJ I I { Junior high. B: Where is that? the name of the school again? L: ----"--H_O-_fi_'._\S_ ,-_k_-:=_d_. _-!_•_ 1 ;_/~( ___ Junior high. B: ~' gow do you spell that name? Just for the sake ot our poeple who will be L:

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3 B: H-A-M-S-T-E-D H-I-L-L, two words, hig1school. Thank you very much. -, what things did you like best in school? L: I liked everything except math. B: ~.-. .,.:.;;.;. Everyth:lng except math C: L: Y~.B:What are you doing? Are you working over at the restaurant? L: Yes. B: What are you going to do over there? n).90,rg b L: waitress. B: Waitress. Id~ th~nk ~e said yet what the name of th~t new restaurant is. ty\ m, ~ould you tell us the naee of it? L: It's called the ~ouncil _!ire. B: The ~ouncil !ire. @ going to feature Indian-preferred food. T~ Are you Lumbee? L: Yes. B: Have you lived in Baltimore all your life? L: No, for about eleven years. B: About eleven years. Well, I shouebe asking you this, but which do you like es baat? L: North Carolina. B: Well, do you plan to return to North Carolina someday? L: Ye,sir, maybe when I get married. B: ~Does your l&Jfriend live in North Carolina? Or Baltimore? L: No, he lives here. ~5,; B: Well, -meec gfi ~he, if it~an Indian boy, he probably plans to return to North Carolina too, :-:doesn 't he? L: Y~, maybe someday. ~ofBaltiB: trnrlrii). '"" I ha~~ talked to~many people who doe plant to return someday, Id~ think~ our people like city living as well as they like

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4. like the rural a~eas 1 ju Carolina. . L: Yea, probably most o~ them stay up here so they have some place to work, because you know@~ tft~ sort of hard down there to get a job. B: mo 3UQ @rk on; 11 i,i * ,..,,,, pl,,, -AD' did L: No, not hardly ever. B: O'SEiml-. What do you think of Women's L: ~,Ia~ care that much for it. the you play ball when you were Lib moverment? B:~, ~o you think that man should be'absolute head of the family? s L: Ye•. in school? B: You think women are, you think most Indian woman are happy with such an arrange ment? ,s_ L: Yeaia, I think most of them are. B: I havmet any Indian woman libbers yet. That I know about, I think, the things they advocate are good, 1 like equal~ ---------L : --m, J mh .. ~B: ~equal work. ,--....._ But I db~like to go overboard. , _!!ow a.bout training, do you think children are strictly trained when they are brought up in Indian homes? L: -:e~, I think so. B: Wheen I was coming up they used to call bedtime if you started dating a girl, \_,/ you went to see the girl they call bedtime about nine o'clock or something. L: Yeiirl, th6 right. B: Do they still do that? L: Now @more like, maybe about ten-thirty at the latest. TrA ,~/) "l!!ib:lqr still
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5. -, ~hat do you plan to do over at the restaurant? L: ~t.--,. J._ust be a waitress. B: --lfflr:imi. Have you ever done any work lik.e this before? C..,rc "3011",) l;c;, L: No. They train us. :r:-~ j 5 ., B: Uh InJ:R. fooking good o~er there, L: ~, ~real nice. B: ~J~\ ~~going to be your boss? L: ~!et' s a:e, 'P . .:CfJO:j . lcJlliW, I think. [~":'.'<. () B: I believe ~an'--------• B: lh-i, .!_et's see. Do you find being an Indian in Baltimore city is an advantage or disadvantage? B: You think@ disadvantage or an advantage? Or you never thought about it much? L: Never thought about it very much. B: U lrnh:; ~ 7 If there was anything ttyou c~d change about .. the Indian community at all, ~lp in any way, if you had one wish, what would you wish for, for Indian people. L: Better housing and highway. B: Better housing. I understand ffh, th-6 doing something about that, don't you? C ,---..._ L: Yeah, th~ doing ••::::SS(,,,.4114, ~-= , ..,,projec~nd things down my street(d,9.w. B: _ 4 re the buildings very crowded in the Indian conununity? L: Most of them are. They a@ the~ ones that are run by the city, that are ownc.cl , city are pretty nice. Some of them finally but the ones r~ by private corrp>r.i~ they~~pretty run down. TH;~like, some of them d6~)have electricity, like that. B: Well,@hopinc Jtit?Ji, ---~---•-~•-s..JJJ1~ p-r~cet .wW. this building project will be completed soon. It should be completed within the next couple of years, or maybe

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6. less. L Y ~-, I h : -. ope so. B: '11ii3im~ Sf-:-~ ~nythi.ng you would like to talk about? How about schooling over here? I was wondering about the training at school if ~like the train~ back in Carolina. Have you gone to school in both places? L: Yes, -u~ the ones in North Carolina are a lot better than the ones they~ve up here. B: Ia that right? .s. L: Yea, I think I was in about the third grade when we came up here and I started, what we learned in the thtrd grade down there we learned in the fifth up here. B: Is that right? L: They do, I think they do Do they teach sex education in schools back home an~ here? here and from sixth on up J bu .. J I(\ f\iOr~~h Co'fo/~-i @know if they do it now or not. But they did when I was going to school. B: Do you think Ioo;i,anw-0hU,dr.en-,~ity,,,_~-sa,Indian dt-i:iilt'tm" ~ht t1'tis ;n~f9;;eneen.bttc j.o you think city children are generally smarter than rural children? L: No. 'The ones who 1 Ve? . c: , .. L1 t1t.:J,-+hL 6-zA.j e...r I (' -1+ II .:.:___,,. -~schools are .enftledJ', and ~' all right' maybe you maybe know,'the ones who go to Catholic school, t~a little bit smarter. Some like that. ,.B: You think th~ .a:;.cltan~-more chances for young people to get in trouble in the city than in the rural areas. L: No,~~ they get in trouble more if they live in the city. B: More templtions or what? L: Yeik, tbh;',i)it. :r;u.,;, ~ike the gangs that 1ive in the city, they E::ihave many 1 n -f h,Q_ cou .. r\+-t B: Um:• You have lots of gangs in the city? $.. L; Yem, a lot of them. B: T~kind of dangerous, aren't they?

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7. B: You suppose t~~a lot of pot and that sort of thing floating around? I guessr-. L: Y~, 'the1+~ a lot of :rs-tho:f •:-:.V.C::'.rljp\oJt} B: Oh yes, no doubt about that. , Iell I want yo.'.' .. ~o know that 8~ thoroughly enjoyed this interview. And though y~4~ a little nervous and you @ want{<)~ terminate it, I know, I want to wish you good luck and Godspeed, in whatever you intend to do. ::t Cir.A;, . .. B: you gonna do all right. L: Thank you mister, Goodbye~ B: Goodbye.