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Interview with Jerry Locklear, October 1, 1975

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Interview with Jerry Locklear, October 1, 1975
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Subject; Jerry Locklear
Interviewer: Lew Barton
10/1/75




B: This is October 1, 1975,Q1I Lew Barton interviewing for the University of

Florida's History Department's American Indian Oral History Program. Today

we are in lj library of the American Indian Studies Center at 211 South

Broadway, Baltimore, Maryland, 21231. And with me is a young gentleman who

has kindly consented to give mean interview. Would you mind telling us what

your tame is please?

L: My name is Jerry Locklear.

B: Jerry Locklear. Where do you work, Jerry?

L: 4, council floor, American Indian Studies Center 213 South Broadway.

B: 4;@ that's the d- new Indian restaurant...

L: Ye.ih

B: Open.=-S jht kind of work are you going to do ouer there?

L:I'm trying to be a cook.

B: Well,\ I looking forward to going over there and sampling your food, how dbout

that.

L: T at' e nice.

B: How old are you Jerry?

L: Twenty-two.

B: Twenty-two. Are you married?

L: No sir.

B: You about to be?

L: Well, IVbeen thinking about it'but I ha committed myself just yet.

B: Well, thee' always plenty of time, there, isn't it?

L: Yeah.






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B: How long ve you been in Baltimore?

L: I been here for a full year now.

B: About a year?

L: Four years.

B: Four years.

L: Yes ir.

B: Who were your parents? Or who are your parents?

L: my father's name is Edmund Locklear and my mother's same is Sarah Locklear.

B: *a= Do they live here in Baltimore?

L: No they live in New Hampton.

B:, I see. How many brothers and sisters do you have?
Cre.
L: I have six sisters and three brothers besides myself, there% ten in the family.

B: Would you mind giving us their names; you wou dn'tknow their ages, too, would you?

L: Well I know about uft I have a brother named James frV__Iq Locklear.

B: U maiYa .,

L: Vrf hBS1 oldest. I have a sister named Edna Hamilton," LO ? ,

and S Faye /TS-O ( y C CLj Locklear, Connie Locklear,

Vivien Locklear ...

B: BBd=m. Well do you think you remember all their ages?

L: N6. I ) think so. I know about their age but not r as Oc-C-iU

B: Bamh. e i aeare you the oldest,-e.m..

L: -9 V)whllt called the knee-bender.

B: Just next to it?

L: IftyhalY-,

B: Second youngest one, right? <, are you going steady? .. 4n.. anrf .gg.lr

L: I haC re t- S too.
L: I v. iP~-A4E bo ^__Ltoo.






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B:- itfmav Here in Baltimore?

L: Yes.

B: L s see. 1ta ^-' were.. you pla' to

make your home here, just while you're getting your training here or...

L: No, I dd'think so. I dn like the city.

B:'FTs certainly is a difference. What differences have you found- -

etween living t-I-Noeth Carolina and living here?

L: I would have to say the people, r C e oe, ,>.r

..-. -exposed to more people?



B: .....ina "r-- --iato-f f' i-trrI other -gltSklt-aat% do you thIi( city people

are generally sort of smart or vf good con-artists or that sort of thing?

L: They are all '_

B: I guess that not very complimentary to say. I they have more sophisticated

would you say? Put is that way?

L: You would have to say that they would have to be more sophisticated you would have

to say in general earlier, you know, like right around here I think so

because you is living in the ghetto, you know.

B: ieb A u somS smart people are living in the ghetto.

L: wa, that's)true too.

B: Sometimes you have, some of them feel t(t they have to be smart in order to

survive. You know. But you can be taken easier in the city than you can...

L: tai that' true.

B: ...out there in the country. more things neto. Well, how out

a young man like yourself, do you find it mqj exciting to live in the country or

the city?

B: Not more exciting cause I was raised, you know, in North Carolina, so






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find North Carolina more exciting,

B: 'Itahe You plan to return someday?

L: Ye sir.

B:-=eiia. Have you found-i, being an Indian is a disadvantage or an advantage

n Baltimore? ,_____ ?

L: NA I on'.

B: Ted e do people treat you nicely, or r as nice or you just see

any difference?

L: I don tsee any difference.

B: Do you think people are more prejudiced back home than they are herg, or more

pEedjudiced here, or is it about the same in (both places?

L: I would think in North Carolina they more prejudiced.

B: -ZSiEa How far did you go in school?

L: I finished'high school.

B: What school did you graduate from?

L: highechool.

B: highschool? That Used to be the largest Indian school

in Robeson county, North aarolina. 'h,- course we don't have Indian schools

per se anymore tSQ theoretically, anyway. But there are still large ones.

Been closed to the Indian students, fairly large ones. 010 many of them.

do you go home very often?

L: I try to go home every six months. You how, to visit my mother and father.

B: *W-i. Do you try to go a the summer instead of the spring and fall?

L: Yes.

B: You like to hunt and fish?

L; Yes, I love to hunt and fish.

B:-MEEB-R and do you o swimming when you get back home?






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L: Now, when, when I was younger ajjfglM I used to go swimming a lot but now,

*W5 I grew out of that. I dn even go anymore. Might be because ve

moved to the city .pn rt .'i .- ii- I ) CJ d Ol 'h +.

B: Irt/not as vzzady easy to go swimming here, I guess.

L: No.

B: Although this is on the waterfront, isn't it.

L: Yesjir.

B: How far are we here H on South Broadway, how far is it to the waterfront?

L: W.in terms of miles, I would say about one mile.

B: BStSE Not very many blocks away, is it?

L: I guess so.

B: 'ligz.m Well do youth find more things to do in the city?
7 wJe vc,-
L: Yes ir. a lot more things to do but they ieast as exciting to me

than 49 in North Carolina. Going home and going fishing and

whatever.

B: There% lots of bars around.

L: Fairly. Plenty Valcbohol.

B: Well, somebody this morning thought they was more bars than churches, I said

definitely. I guess there are more bars than churches. P -' ....
your C-t -=
499%Sei when you oget 773 training, you planning to move back to North Carolina

or wait a few years.

L: Well in two more year s'Uaplan to be living down there.

B: UEtlia; Do you like your work over at the annex?

L: Yestir, yes t I see whke I ban .: ( learn Q trade. People%

got to eat as long as they live.

B: S ( true. LI' litell you a good e- 3 'L demand

all over.






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L: Certainly are irgreat demand.

B: ea what do you think of Women's Lib, with the Woman's Lib movement?

L: Myself, as being a man, I think great.

B:. You do! YouVspeaking fro strictly from a man's point of view.

L: Ye sir.

B: I3, you think th4e=axE women really are liberated?

L: = I think they should do just as much as a man. Provide.

B: You don) believe in the old double standard, do you?

L: No.

B: t' alright for men to do certain things, but not women. how out4

Vmily connections> family y organizations you think the man should be the head

of the family? Or they should share?

L: % I think they would share.

B: Now (Q going to ask you a personal question, if you fdo't want to answer just

don't just says no comment or something. Do you think Indian women are pretty?

Very pretty?

L: Yestir.

B: Prettier than anybody else?

L: Anybody else, yefsir. You know, I twenty-two years old, never went with

a white, nor black.

B: Is there much ever racial dating in Baltimore?

L: Ye sir.

B: How do you think our people are affected by that, 7W' Jerry?

L: as CI. I think they effect a great,-' -ause, 9 if all this integration keeps

a, the Indian peoples are ,5 become extinct sooner or later,
Gvoi40 1 -- cr,, :. 4 11 e1 r
B; Goaa become extinct Ciyou mean they cgaa marry outside thaw race until

th ere'sno race left.






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L: 'Right,

B; Ar*A' th-iy t-mr ge -y t-. what kind of marriages take place, mostly?

2i white and Indian, or black and Indian.

L: Whites and Indian.

B: Are there very many black and Indian marriages?

L: No, I d t t many.

B: Very few. 8 I've known iub' one, I've only knowifof one marriage like this

since (Ie been in Baltimore, Qd this is far from the Lu beIndian, girl,
- where the'i.e)
married to a black gentleman.L Which, I n seernything wrong with an Indian

marrying a black, more than an Indian marrying a white but I been in, IVrather
people just marry -5 Con4
see the into their own race, you know. par as an Indian marrying a white, I d"moe.
-does vno-
-fOiU And if it were a black I wo 4dn'9, you know, it doa make any difference. Far as

white and black to us.
d
B: T-Mhi. Well do you think this kinB of marriage imposes a problem on the children?

L: a I think so AQSPain that, in living in this neighborhood, yeu -kaome,.4i.,

you know how kids xia they talk neighbors you know,

sometimes. t'sause '!iT hard for them to find identity when ht' 0 "41J .icY -,
usually
B: How do black people'feel about Indian people more and more, are they friendly?

L: Ye4sir. because most of them have never seen one before around here.

B: VSr. What about white people?

L: Now they -6,eyr a, friendly, but I would say the blacks are more f edr

to an Indian than the white is to an Indian.

B: Enm=: Now do you plan to make v-f a career out of cooking?

L: Yes+ir.
pretty
B: I understand the pay is good for a good cook there, they hard to find.

L: good trade.

B:(M, do yo go to church anywhere?






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L: No.

B: How many Indian churches are there in altimore, do you know?

L: I only know of two.

B: Th re's)6ross Street Baptist Church.

L: And ui what is it, Baltimore Street church of God? Yt, th t'
of the
B: Th Well there are supposed to be four or fime'Indians, Lumbee Indians
W- Q4 ekC^A6
In UiAtimore, course we have ,snsn other groups represented but those other

groups are small in number, aren't they? Do they usually settle in the Lumbee

community ro...

L: No. Well, they so few now, they scattered around,

B;:4 Jm Do you ever come to the dance, Mr. Avery Lewise's ?
e- no4' &
L: Not recently, I havse, came but -em I have been.



L:
What if
B: ; .ff Oyou had a chance tb change anything you wanted to change about the

Indian community, what would you like to change or like to see changed?

L: Well, right now we got this small minority group in here fighting, or something,

you know and, I think th t wrong, you know, I would change that. I mean, instead

of they trying to pull us back, where we should be, progress, you know.

B: B .la7 Ss did you tell me how, you said you graduated Qm high school,

-jS what year did you graduate?

L: 3%-= j. IqntO7

B: In B 'S Probably, did you want to go to college?

L: No, not really.

B: Do you think you could have gone if you wanted to?

L: ('not interested.

B: I see. Well, not everybody wants to go to college, and I d' think everybody






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should.

L: No sir.

B: Perhaps people are happy doing what they enjoy doing,,,

L: Even the people who finiSh college man, they still unemployed, you know.

B: J m. hats true. How About prices here, do you think prices here are higher

448 back home?
4 too
L: Definitely, But the tda labor skills are higher herevo, it kind of evens up.

B: emV=-I Rent is pretty high, C'veeen pretty lucky with my apartment, but wb

living with friends, though, that helps. Mrs. '''.Locklear and her

husband.i wq chen you pick come over here, first get over here, people talk

funny to you don't they?

L: Everything' Specially living in the country

for eighteen years, and then you come to a big city like this, you really be

lost at first, but I was. But I had friends, you know, it idn take me too long

to adjust.

B: Um-m Now you don't notice any difference in the speech, do you.

L: Not no)a*mbtaew Eved when you know, when I go home I have some of my friends,

you know, at home,-4ite they talk, i I got a different accent, you know.

Tihe way I hb talking.

B: They say you picked up something awayjEa k.

L: Well, I did, you know,

B: I think you do it unconsciously. course I don;" see that it"affe ted me

any at all. A slow poke when I start talking. People have a tendency to talk

faster in the north and in the city. Say, will you talk faster. Pronounce

different words. Do you think most of the Indian people here plan to return

home some day.

L: Yes, most of them oa But i've known people that live here six, seven years,



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and then they go back home. I know a lot of them that they did, they come up

there and save their money, go back home, buy them some land or whatever, you

know.

B: Do you think the migration to Baltimore is as heavy now as it Osed to be or is
S
it leveling off or what? Do you think there are more Indiang coming to

Baltimore all the time?

L: h, rtlk, I think they keep coming but, 44a not any more, I d t) think,

Because 6f4 people, they keep coming in, they keep going, you know.

B:T "4mtMf-^ j's la. 1 Jd you tell me you never dated anybody outside your

own race?

L: Ye sir. yo, you probably knew my old lady, .



L:

B: W-hk. Well, I want to with you a lot of luck in whatever you intend to do

and I'msre y do well at it. I q, certainly appreciate you giving us

this interview, is there ar thing ) like to fay, is there anything

like to say to other young people who are starting out in life?

L: No, all I got to say is, live and learn.

B: Play it by ear?

L: .

B:q.b=aa. Tat's good advice. And thank you so much Jerry I appreciate you giving ...

S--: Thank you.

S us this interview, I enjoyed it.





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UL 38 A Subject; Jerry Locklear Interviewer: Lew Barton 10/1/75 . 1. B: This is October 1, 1975,~Lew Barton interviewing for the University of Florida's History Department's American Indian Oral History Program. Today we are in~ library of the American Indian Studies Center at 211 South Broadway, Baltimore, Maryland, 21231 •. And with me is a young gentleman who has kindly consented to give me.an interview. Would you mind telling us what your ~me is please? L: My name is Jerry Locklear. B: Jerry Locklear. Where do you work, Jerry? L: ~ouncil floor, American Indian Studies Center 213 South Broadway. '1 -~ B: * _Ehat~ the.,.,,_ new Indian restaurant L: Yeiit~ B: Open,.:m::--~ kind of work are you going to do ouer there? L:0ryi:g to be a cook. B: Well,~looking forward to going over there and sampling your food, howd..bout that. L: Tee nice. B: How old are you Jerry? L: Twenty-two. B: Twenty-two. Are you married? L: No sir. B: You about to be? ro-lJ'lL: Well, IYbeen thinking abo~ it 'but I ha~ committed B: Well, the8 always plenty of ti..me, there, isn't it? .,. .. 'S,. L: .. ,.ea. myself just yet.

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2. B: How long k'ave you been in Baltimore? eo.L: I been here for a full yar now •. B: About .a year? L: Four years .--... B: Four ye~rs. L: Yesrir. . . B: '(\Who were your parents? Or whP are your parents? L: ~, .ElY father's name is Edmund Loeklear and B: A. D.o they live he.re in Baltimore? (\ my mother's lame is Sarah Locklear. L: NoJ they live in New Ha'!Upton. B::r see. How many brothers and sisters do you have? c.re. L: I have six sisters and thr~e broth~rs besides myself, there~ ten in the family. B: Would you mind gving us their names; you wou~;trnow the~r ages, too, would you? ~--r . ;L: Well I know about ~I have a prother n~med James Irv, 0.9 ~ocklear. . .J B : yes.::, , " 4,$ -H--t. L: UNntf oldest. I have a sister named Edna Ham:Uton, .._ Lo 1 q and Faye _'P_o_L--_'_--~_c_._(_( ________ , __.'f?'-'-CLf\ __ d.;.a;;.;__':J-+____ Locklear, Connie Locklear, Vivi~ Locklear B: mc:t:mr. Well do you think you remember all their ages? L: No. I @think so. I know about their age but not ,;a f?)t.'..0(:;t-{ y •"/ B: 1 J. .:z0tt12h cya,, .~re you the oldest,....., L: ~h~alled the knee-bender. B: Just next to it? B: Second youngest one, right? '" ~re you going steady? BfL~,!;,~J::;Hee ta SZl!E_~our L'. Yes _,,./ ~. ye.,u. 5 o, r. 5 St ca .J1,j 1: r ho,_v ,e.;, c:..:. l i l--H e_ bo lj too.

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3. B: -tiir 1 ib Here in Baltimore? L: Yes. B:'rJ, J 'b. make your home here, just while ~oE!)getting L: No, I de.>=hink so. I~ 1,ke the city. your training here or ,!'IL rig plai:rto B:, certainly is a difference. What differences have you found --t : !:P.uc,(',...., ~etween living i'n nn,th Carolina and living here? L: I w~uld have to say the peoplE:J .I h (lJ.) e b-0? t:J ---.; 01 s ,::yr.,..(,::!xposed to more people? B:'"IW"ifO e;z~9ot!•tliiiieioe.1;~ other~-'"8f):}1"'rl:L-if.e.~ do you th~..J city people / -:::: L~ are generally sort of smart or• good con-artists or that sort of thing? L: They are all -----------------B: I guess th~Snot very complimentary would you say? Put ft that way? to say. ,!hey have more sophisticated L: You would have to say that they would have to be more sophisticated you would have to say in general earlier, you know, like right around here I ~think so because you is living in the ghetto, you know. B: ~o~m) smart people are living in the ghetto. Yeer~ L: ~, th~!=,-~:Jtrue too. B: Sometimes you have, some of them feel ~t they have to be smart in order to survive. You know. L: t~ t(2~ true. ,.... But you can be taken easier in the city thatn you can 'v l l) B: out there in the country. "" 1 :' "i i Well, how '1.bout a young man like yourself, do you find it m~exciting to live in the country or the city? B: Not more exciting~ause I was raised, you know, in North Carolina, so S

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4. find North Carolina more exciting, B: Ua, I You plan to return someday? L: Ye,sir. B: Have you being an Ind:Lan is a disadvantage or an advantaget) f n Baltimore? ,() ? ---4----------L: NII I ~t) B: "t911...i.. :::ple, -~o people treat you nicely, or ifi.,j as nice or you just see any difference? L: I ,~see any difference. B: Do you think people are more pre8judiced back home than they are her~, or more peedjudiced here, or is it about the same in Oboth places? ,-.. L: Iwould think in North Carolina they more pre$judiced. C B: ~. How .far did you go in school? L: I finished'high school. B: What school did you graduate from? ? L: I ---:::----------,-high~chool. ____________ ._highrchool? That ~ed to be the largest Indian school (f ? B: in Robeson county, North aarolina. ~~; 111 course we don't have Indian schools per se anymore theorhetically, anyway. But there are still large ones. Been closed to the Indian students, fairly large ones.~ many of them. do you go heme very often? L: ;(J?,, I try to go home every six months. You tnow, to visit my mother and father. B: ~Do you try to go the SUJllJller instead of the (pi~ring and fall? L: Yes. B: You like to hunt and fish? L; Yes, I love to hunt and fish. B;~ and do you 'io swimming when you get back home?

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5. L: Now, when, when I was younger flh-!t a,, I used to go sw:Lmm;i.ng a lot but now, -~j,t_!~'li"; I grew out of that. I ~even go anymo-re. Might be because G d h --.1 1 ' ,.,,_ \ \ -~1'~ "'."~ 1 11 'r ',. d 1'+ 1 ,+ move to t e c1.ty_F-7T' •T r 1 ''jli, , .1 i __ 111 1 r d '8' T"l) __ , r...l-0 1 , B: r~JJnot as -casil;~ easy to go swimming here, I guess. '--._/ L: No. B: Although this is on the waterfront, isn't it. L: Yesrir. B: How far are we here~ on South Broadway, how far is it to the waterfront? L: ~in terms of miles, I would say about one mile. B: 'f'!!ilM5;~ot very many blocks away, is it? L: I guess so. ,,.....,, B: ~;,= .. Well do youj find more things to do in the city? 1 ? o..re r,t:-t L: Yesrir. ________ a lot more things to do but they~ as axcitin~ to me than~ _________ in North Carolina. Going home and going fishing and whatever. OJ'(:, B: There~ lots of bars around. L: Fairly. G( ,,---... PlentyVal~hol. B: Well, somebody this morning thought they was more bars than churches, I said definitely. I guess there are more bars than churches. !_ f!!l:.ltn ts a iis... your ~r-e.~-%hen youGget ~.n.i training:Vyou planning to move back to North Carolina .. or wait a few years. L: Well~\in two more year~'i!>plan to be living down there. B: Do you like your work over at the annex? -~ v..l'.Q..r e, C L: Yesrir, yes (~.:_J I see WM.e'l!t I Dan ~:.', \Lf0 1 ::t: Q,_, , learn I trade. ho.ve.. People, got to eat as long as they live. V-?.5. CJ-:>-'. \.. -~ c....r e.. '1 '""\ B: ~~true. @tell you a good ~e~g---1;;!!!9~,,,~ll:i!!iM~a~t~es,,,,__::JL:r_:E'~w~~.:~ .demand all over.

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6. L: Certainly are ir{great demand. e, B: Jhat do you think of Women's Lib, with the Woll$1n's Lib movement? L: Myself, as b:r~ng a man, ~great. B:. You do! YouVspeaking fro7[) Jtrictly from a man's point of view. L: Yef ir. B:t~ l,2_U ... L: r think tluw a:r;e., women ~liberated? think they should do just as much as a man. B: Youd~ believe in the old double standard, do you? L: No. Provide. B: ~) alright for men to do certain things, but not women. ..... how ~out~ .-;;:ly connections~ family organizatio~ you think the man should be the head of the family? Or they should share? L: I think they kuld share. B: Now~ going to ask _...-..-. cfo~~ just say.: no ,_ Very pretty? L: Yesrir. B: Prettier than anybody you a personal question, if you tdG want to answer just_ connnent or something. Do you think Indian women are pretty? else? L: Anybody else, yeisir. You know,~twenty-two years old,~never went with a white, nor black. r7 B: Is there .much ever racial dat;Ltng in Baltimore? ,..._,,, L: Ye1sir. B: How do you think our people are affected by that~~ Jerry? L: c!P:Ji! 1=., I think they effect. a great, 1'-cause, if all this integration keeps ~p "", the indian peoples are ' become extinct• sooner or later. C:):J',09 1~ "' . 4-~ or",: , , ~t:J eir B; Gca:i:m!Zffl ; become ext:i.nc"' ~):ou mean they -~ marry outside th._ race until t~~no race left.

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7. B; A'n!::th~&a!', '1e tbey nwm,aee-~-~ ihat kind o;f; ma.r;1;ia.ges ta.ke place, mostly? _, yhite and Indian, or black and Indian. L: White, and Indian. B: Are there very many black and Ind~an marriages? L:Th t(ro1;1J L: No, I d~ a,t many, B: Very few. , I 1 ve known uh:.t one, I've only kno4of one ina;1;riage like this since ~been in Baltimore, ~\i this is far from the Lu~ Indian, girl, . where the~~ married to a black gentleman.L Which, I aos~ything wrong with an Indian "'.IDLdd marrying a black, more tha.n an Indian ~rying a white but I been in, IVrather people just marry 1\'5 c6 na+ see the'into their own race, you know. /ar as an Indian marrying a white, I~1, _Ci). doe~ no/.LN)w , And if it were a black I wo~, you know, it d:lllilll make any difference. Far as white and black to us. d B: ffll l Well do you think this kinl of marriage imposes a problem on the children? Yes L: oa~1'm=,.. I think so ~in tha~ in living in this neighborhood, ,.eu liM~il, ld:~ a..r-e, you know how kids:-, they talk _______________ neighbors you know, 't+ is sometimes. Bep'ause ~s hard for them to find identity when -H\9.{_;1 O'{f._, -i-hi (':, YO'J~t-5, usually B: How do black people~feel about Indian people more and more, are they friendly? L: Ye,sir~ b~ause most of them have never seen one before around here. B: ~. What about white people? H-i
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8. L: No. B: How many Indian churches are there in {altimore, do you know? L: I only know of two. B: Th~ Cross Street Baptist Church. L: And iC what is it, Baltimore Street ~s Church of God? lah, th~-----of the B: rn 1 !mt: Well there are supposed to be four or fime' Indians, Lumbee Indians &aJ ct' e/ eVcAIn WJ:imore, course we have c7"ifn?s other groups represented but those other c.., groups -ere small in number, aren't they? Do they usually settle in the Lumbee connnunity ro L: No. Well, they so few now, they scattered around, B: -+JIQ J 111.-. Do you ever come to the dance, Mr. Avery Lewise' s ? c, L: Not recently, I ha , ceme but...., I have been. i,I. Tiill :tar. L: . --------------B: }fm,tmtWhat if 0 :,,/you had a chance ti change anything you wanted to change about the Indian connnunity, what would you like to change or like to see chanled? L: Well, right now we got this small minority group in here fighting, or something, you know and, I think th@wrong, you know, I would change that. I mean, instead 1_. f' of they trying to pull us back, where WQshould be, progress, you know. B: 'tmc::imr: ~id you tell me how, you said you graduated higichool, _____ _ -1l1b ~hat year did you graduate? L: Seie111y. IC\70 B: In ~Q 1 i.111 hi1,h,. Probably, did you want to go to college? L: No, not really. B: Do you think you could have gone if you wanted to? L:~not ;lnterested. B: I see. Well, not everybody wants to go to college, and I d~think everybody

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9. should. L: No sir. B: Perhaps people are happy doing what they enjoy doing.,, s L: Even the people who fini9h college ma.n, they still unemployed~ you know. B: i:iat lea. true. How tlbout prices here, do you think prices here are higher back home? L: Definiiely. too But the "28s labor skills are higher here•~o, it kind of evens up. B: Vm:::hm. Rent is pretty high, ~een pretty lucky with my apartment, but~ L: living with friends, though, that helps. Mrs. Locklear and her ------husband.j 3ffi.i xz:hen you pick come over here, first get over here, people talk funny to you don't they? -------Everythings' ________ E;;gpecially living in the country for eighteen years, and then you come to a big city like this, you really be lost at first, but I was. But I had friends, you know, it e take me too long to adjust. 0 B: Now you don't notice any difference in the speech, do you. " L: Not I newEve• when you ~now, when I go home I have some of my friends, you know, at home, seheJ...y they talk,~~ I got a different accent, you know. ,-..__ C Tlhe way I ha talking. \..., B: They say you picked up something away~ '-ifF!31ts L: Well, I did, you know, B: I think you do it unconsciously. rf. h1s c.., 'l!tlii, fcourse I ~~see that it;1 affe.ted me any at all. A slow poke when I start talking. People have a tendency to talk faster in the north and in the city. Say, will you talk faster. Pronounce different words. Do you think most of the Indian people here plan to return home some day. L; Yes, most of them~ But8 known people that live here six, seven years,

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10. and then they go back home. I know a lot of them that they did, they come up there and save their money, go back home, buy them some land or whatever, you know. I.I.., B: Do you think the migration to Baltimore is as heavy now as it tsed to be or is s it leveling off or what? Do you think there are more Indian8 coming to Baltimore all the time? L: ~, 'ibhlew, I think they keep coming but, not any more, I d~ think, 1 bE!cause people, they keep coming in, they keep going, you know. B i!i• L ,au l!lt, ~j.d you tell me you never dated anybody outside your own race? L: Yefir. "Qb, ~ou probably knew my old lady,~ _____________ _ B : JH;;fo:h-. '( C~S , L: B: Ub ht!M?. Well, I want to with you a lot of luck in whatever you intend to do and 0re ~do well at it. ........_,....,...... this interview, is there a~jhing I~ certainly appreciate you giving ~s Q like to jay, is there anything~ like to say to other young people who are starting out in life? ~= No, all I got to say is, live and learn. B: Play it by ear? ~~L: r_= Thank you. ~us this interview, c:.... And thank you so much Jerry I appreci6te you giving I enjoyed it. ...