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Interview with Carol J. Locklear, February 26, 1975

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Interview with Carol J. Locklear, February 26, 1975
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Locklear, Carol J. ( Interviewee )
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Urban Lumbee Oral History Collection ( local )

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This text has been transcribed from an audio or video oral history. Digitization was funded by a gift from Caleb J. and Michele B. Grimes.

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Samuel Proctor Oral History Program, Department of History, University of Florida
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This interview is part of the 'Urban Lumbee' collection of interviews held by the Samuel Proctor Oral History Program of the Department of History at the University of Florida
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UL 14 ( SPOHP IDENTIFIER )

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UL 14A
Interviewer: Lew Barton
Subject:Carol J. Locklear



B: This is Lew Barton interviewing for the University of Florida's history

department American Indian Oral HisOory program. Today we are at my

apartment at 14 South Anne Street in Baltimore, Maryland. And with me is

a young lady who has kindly consented to give me an interview. Would you

mind telling us what your name is?

L: My name is Carol Jean Locklear.

B: And you are the daughter of?

L: Ji C-Co4- KLocklear.

B: Who's your father?

L: Eddie Locklear.

B: Iti How long have you li ed in Baltimore, Maryland?

L: ( 9)years.

B: How old are you?

L: /

B: You were born here then weren't you?

L: No. No I wasn't born here. I was born in North Carolina.

B: What part f North Carolina?

L: Laurinburg.

B: Laurinburg, North Carolina. iftmM. What year in school are you?

L: Twelfth.

B: Are you going to graduate?

L: I hope so.

B: What are you going to do when you graduate?

1: I don't know.

B: You don't know yet?

L: No.





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B: You just might get married like a lot of the other girls right?

L: .

B: I possible?$ M

L: .ims CS.

B: WI11 thqt' one way of having a career. That' a housewife career. And

the e'sa nothing wrong with it. How much time have you spent in Robeson County

North Carolina?

L: Not much.

B: Not much. Do you see any difference between living in Ro&eson County, N6rth Carolin

and living in Baltimore, Maryland?

L: Yei/I like it better in North Carolina.

B: Say you do. Do you plan io live there Someday?

h: Yes. Soon as I finish the twelfth grade I hope so.

B: Are you ioing to college?

L: I don't know yet.

B: Well e suppose to have a pretty nice university down there. We still have

a state r \i- I suppose. "f l -il fhUnaz n iynn haare, do you hav many
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girlfriends or boyfriends?

L: Up here? Yes.

B: Wh o'syour best girlfriend?

L: I have a whole bunch of Lest girlfriends.

B: You do?

L: fmasMw yeS

B: Do you work over at the American Indian Study Center?

L: Yes I do.

B: What do you do over there?

L: We tutor Indian kids.

B: You tutor Indian kids.






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L: Yf1e1 YS

B: What ages do you tutor?

L: From one till -Ste=.B fourteen.

B: Now do you think you're having success At this sort of thing.

L: I hope so,I think so.

B: Do the kids seem to be happy about it?

L: Yes.

B: "iSB we might not have any too many students to graduate from high school,

unfortunately. Wonder why that is.

EI I don't know. AMaiii: -a lot of the Indian kids drop out UJ__-_-_ _t_

maybe the ninth or tenth or the eleventh.

B: Do you think they get discoaragei or something?

L: Yes.

B: Wonder why.

L: I don't know.

B: Is it hard work in school?

L: Once in a while. It depends how the teachers are.

B: Uws Did you have any particular problem during your your entire school

career? Right here. How many schools were involved, I mean how many schools

did you attend?

L: I forgot ill the schools I attend I attend so many.

B: UMRM-- wha's he name of your school uaprwhere you ar ow?

L: Patterson Senior High.

B: Patterson Senior Hjgh. Do they have special provisions for minority kids?

Do they have special catch-up co rses and that sort of thing?

L: I really don't know.they do or not.

B: This is fer the American Indian Study Center comes in isn't it, it, attempts

to make up ior some of the lack in the s_+tue-studies? I want to ask you

some questions about life ove here. You see the purpose of this program, is





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to determine the life style of the Lumbee Indians which is quite different

in this area than back home. There are some similarities and there are some

differences. But I have a suspicion that young people are pretty much the

same where ever they are, right?

L: I don't know.

B: Are you treated any differently because yue an Indian do you think?

L: No.

B: You think y u'e treated better or worse?

L: I don't know.

B: You never thought about it much.

L: No.

B: Being an Indian here )-st it's not a sort of a handicap is it?

L: I think so.

B: A.=emusthat good. How dbout the young people .ga- you move amongS young

people lile all of-6he young people whlrtai what are some of your ideas?

"" what do you think -of pot, for instance?

L: I don't know what to think about pot.

B: Do you think 'ts)a bad thing?

L: It's up to other people.

B: t what?

L: Up to the people.

B: I know but is it bad for them or good for them?

L: It depends on them.

B: Do you mean to say it affects some people maybe,- different' w4ia f fe.

other people?

L: Yes.

B: VW-ft- Is it a problem around your school?

L: I don't have no idea if it is or not.





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B: Well that's a pretty good sign because you probably know about it if it was.
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How CLbout your classes in school do yhey have do they have courses -iMt

education?

L: Yes. it's not called sex education it's called family development.

B: Family development. Do you study about marriage and that sort of thing?

L: Our case it was Indians, you study about marriage.

B: Do you have counselors if you want to ask them anything you can?

L: You ask the teachers.

B: You ask the teachers. Do they answer you straight forwardly bout anything

you want to know?

L: I don't know.

B: You never have asked probably, some of the young on ever ask so they have

no reason to find out about things like that. But in some schools they do
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have courses svBa of this nature and ust wondered what the reaction to such

a course in this area would be if it would be the same as back home. Do you

think people sort of frown on t pdi e people teaching a sex education in the

public schools?

L: Yes.

B: What do #ou JIM5 think about it? You think it's good or bad?

L: I don't know, I ain't sure.

B: You don't care?

L: No.
Cerrcy-
B: If you're going to make an namew or mistake to some people would put it, it

would be better to make it knowing what you were doing, wouldn't it?

Lt Not really.

B: It woul take any difference. I see my interview is sort of freezing up on

me we better get on some other ground* here you feel more comfortable. You

d n't want to talk about thwk do you?










L: No.

B: OK. We w t)talk about anything you opn want to talk about. Do yogo to the

center regular y?

L: Yes.

B: Tell me about your brothers and sisters. What are their names and ages?

L: My sister is well my sister LO ', C. about 22 I guess and my brother

Eddie he's ten.

B: .Riwar a T "g -youpr- is some of your sisters and brothers married?

L: IVhave one sister, she's married, and has five kids.

B: Gee tha
L: Ulu'auuR ^/--"^ i

B: Are you gonna have a big family when you get married?

L: No.

B: How many do you plan to have?

L: None.

B: 4fM. Well when you get married, you might change your mind.

L: No I wo0?A'change my mindj/either.

B: TaRsL-s Where do you go to church?

L: On West Cross Street Baptist Church.

B: Is that whhre Reverend... '

L: O-r. ____ ? James GSii p.6 9 r:..c..r ,

B: Right. How do you+ike him? How do you get along with him?

L: Very good.

B: Now he would do some counseling, if you needed to, wouldn't he?

L: Probably if you asked him.

B: He seems to be a very understanding person. That'san asset to the community.

How CJbout the"womaAs lib" movement? Have you heard anything about the"women's

lib" movement this part of the country?





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L: Yes.

B: You're not a member are you?

L: No.

B: Do you believe in the"woman's lib"?

L: Yes.

B: What parts of it? All of it or some just some parts?

L: All of it.

B: Every bit?

L: Every bit.

B: Now you don't want, when you get married you don't want them to put M.R.S.

with your name ---- -- --- ?

L: M.R.S.

B: Now "women's libber's" like to put M.S.

L: Mine would be M.R.S.

B: I take it from that you'd be proud then and you wouldn't be ashamed of people
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knowing you e marital status, if you were married.

L: No. %9q





B: OK. So you c nItjdecide what you want to do when you get out of school?

L: No, because I think I want to go to college, I think Ilike it.

B: Well there are other things you can do. Are you thinking in certain areas?

What you want to do.

L: No, just maybe get married.

B: Well that sounds like a worthly ambition. Thee's)nothing wrong with that.

We have to terminate this interview at this point because my subject was a

bit nervous but we have here at this point a young lady who has kindly consented

to sit down and talk to us. This is the American Indian Oral History Program
tou/XTi





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UL 14A Interviewer: Lew Barton Subject:Carol J. Locklear 1. B: This is Lew Barton interviewing for the University of Florida's history departmen~i American Indian Oral Hisiory grogram. Today we are at my ; L: B: L: B: L: B: apartment at 14 South Anne Street in Baltimore, Maryland. And with me is a young lady who has kindly consented to give me an interview. Would you mind telling us what your name is? My name is Carol Jean Locklear. And you are the daughter of? f-li =cc..heAh..__Locklear. Who's your father? Eddie Locklear. tJm..:ma-. How long have you lifed in Baltimore, Maryland? L: @years. B: How old are you? L:@) B: You were born here then weren't you? L: No. No I wasn't born here. I was born in North Carolina. B: What partpf Horth Carolina? L: Laurinburg. B: Laurinburg, North Carolina. ~What: year in school are you? L: Twelfth. B: Are you going to graduate? L: I hope so. B: What are you going to do when you graduate? t: I don't know. B: You don't know yet? L: No.

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2. B: You just might get married like a lot of the other girls right? L: B: L: rO possible? u!v/ Y(!_s. B: W~ll th~ one way of having a career. \ r, That() a housewife career. And theunothing wrong with it. How much time have you spent in Robeson County North Carolina? L: Not much. B: Not much. Do you see any difference between living in Rcieson County, NQrth Carolin L: B: and living in Baltimore, Maryland? Yeit'r like it better in North Carolina. Say you do. Do you plan !olive there iomeday? l: Yes. Soon as I finisg the twelfth grade I hope so. B: Are you joing to college? L: I don't know yet. B: Well@ suppos~o have a pretty nice unilersity down there. We still have a sta~e In, '1.,1.. I suppose. --~---girlfriends or boyfriends1 you havimany L: Up here? Yes. B: /!'.~ Wb'~your best girlfriend1 L: I have a whole bunch of iest girlfriends. B: You do? L: '&ii l&U 1/E.S, B: Do you work over at the American Indian Study Center? r, L: Ye s I do. v B: What do you do over there? L: We tutor Indian kids. B: You tutor Indian kids.

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3. L: lt:tJnm::11111~ v~ . ,._...,. B: What ages do you tutor? L: From one till Ail ; I t e 1. 1 four teen. --B: Now do you think y[~having success~ /.t this sort of thing? L: I hope so,I think so. B: Do the kids seem to be happy about it? L: Yes. B: ~e might not have any too many students to graduate from high school, B: L: B: L: B: L: unfortunately. I don't know. .< Wonder why that c.e-1~,1--{,) ,l!P!!:l!B!lt;gftif:;;"'_~ lot of the Indian kids drop out ~--U 1 lU.,1 1S. maybe the ninth or tenth or the eleventh. Do you think they get disco~agei or something? Yes. Wonder why_. I don't know. Is it hard work in school? Once in a while. It d~nds how the teachers are. B: ~. Did you have any particular problem during your your entire school career? Right here. How many schools were involved, I mean how many schools L: B: L: B: L: B: did you attend? w 4'.)_J a,,:1, I forgot Ill the schools I attena, I attend so many. ~ha@he name of your school _,where you artow1 Patterson Senior High. Patterson Senior Hfgh. Do they have special provisions fo~ minority kids? Do they have special catch-up c~ses and that sort of thing? I really don't knowj;they do or not. \,,k.v1-e. This is~ the American Indian Study Center comes in isn't it, it~ attempts to make up lor some of the lackf'in the ~;~-studies? I want to ask you some questions about life ovetere. You see the purjose of this program, is

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-----------------------------------------------4. to determine the life s~yle of the Lumbee Indian~ which is quite different in this area than back home. There are some similarii:i.es and there are some differences. But I have a suspicion that young people are pretty much the same where ever they are, right? L: I don't know. B: Are you treated any differently because y@an Indian do you think? L: No. B: You think y@ treated better or worse? L: I don't know. B: You never thought about it much. L: No. r\ B: Bein 1 g an Indian here J 1&$,._ i~ ')~ not a sort of a handicap is it? c.:bt, .. A, L: I think so. B: .JJj, J:eas-t.~~ good. How cl.bout the young people~ you move among• young ,.K, oP-cr people liYe all o the young peopl~l;J"'~-zt~ .yhat are some of your ideas? ,.---:... ------------'t_!.hat do you think -of pot, for instance? L: I don't know what to think about pot. B: ,,,--'""-I-:-;:_ Do you think a bad thing? L: It's up to other people. B: @what? L: Up to the people. B: I knowJbut is it bad for them or good for them? L: It depends on them. , -L 1--o.n ; + d <; B: b/ ' _, Do you mean to say it affects some people maybe.-i.~ different;w~~ff'~an,i; other people? L: Yes. B: 'f!iiii;;ftt. Is it a problem around your school? L: I don't have no idea if it is or not.

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5. B: Well that's a preety good sign because you probably know about it if it was. f\. 5,qx_ How
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L: No. B: OK. We wtalk about anything you~~ want to talk about. Do yAo to the ......, center regularl,_!r? L: Yes. B: Tell me about your brothers and sisters. , rJ My sister is well my sister Lc.u.,.,_,r IC , What are their names and ages? r-----1 about,22\I guess and my brother ,,,___) L: Eddie he's ten. B: Eddi. ;.ta .. ~. -fm>-a:y~tt, if :=tma,, is some of your sisters and brothers married? "'=>(',. 1~1 L: B: L: B: L: B: L: B: L: rVhave one sister, she's married, and has five kids. Gee tha0~at isn't it? Are you gonna have a big family when you get married? No. How many do you plan to have? None. ~. Well when you get married, you might change your mind. (}\ f~ (f ,J-y~ ~', v-._, f, , No I ~)change my mind]~ither. B: ~.G::"":Where do you go to church? L: On West Cross Street Baptist Church. B: Is that where Reverend. , ; L: B: Right. How do youflke him? How do you get along with him? L: Very good. B: Now he would do some counseling, if you needed to, wouldn't he? L: Probably if you asked him. B: He seems to be a very understanding person. How Clbout the''womans lib" movement? Have lib" movement this part of the country? Tha\:)an asset to the you heard anything about community. the"women's

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7. L: Yes. B: You're not a member are you? L: No. B: Do you believe in the"woman's lib"? L: Yes. B: What parts of it? All of it or some just some parts? L: All of it. B: Every bit? L: Every bit. B: Now you don't want, when you get married you don't want them to put M.R.S. ') with your name , --'-=----------:::-? '-----------'.;:..._-....o..._ L: M.R.S. B: Now "women's libber's" like to put M.S. L: Mine would be M.R.S. B: I take it from that you'd be proud then and you wouldn't be ashamed of people r knowing you~ marital status, if you were married. L: No. ~--:::~ C-~~---;.. _____ . .. ~:;4l!"'!!••rlf.. B: OK. So you c~decide what you want to do when you get out of school? L: ,h,_,, I( No, because I think I want to go to college, I t'link I like it. B: Well there are other things you can do. Are you thinking in certain areas? What you want to do. L: No, just maybe get married. B: Well that sounds like a worthly ambition. The@nothing wrong with that. We have to terminate this interview at this point because my subject was a bit nervous but we have here at tmis point a young lady who has kindly consented to sit down and talk the American Indian Oral History Program