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INTERVIEWEE: Pam Taylor
INTERVIEWER: Lew Barton
B: We have another young lady here with us to be interviewed. Would
you mind telling us what your name is pt"- MA ?
T: I'm Pamela C. Taylor.
B: Pamela C. Taylor, T-a-y-l-o-r. How old are you, Pam?
T: Sixteen.
B: Sixteen, that's a nice age to be, isn't it? Do you enjoy being
sixteen?
T: Yes.
B: Have you got any boyfriends and girlfriends?
T: Yes.
B: Which do you have the most of?
T: Girlfriends.
B: Do you have any sports in school?
T: Yes, baseball.
B: Do you play on the girls team?
T: Uh--hfr* f 1 Ti-'1 (5C
B: t.UnWlt. Would you mind telling us the names of your parents?
T: Mildred Louise Taylor and James Stephen Taylor.
B: Would you mind telling us the names of your brothers and sisters
Me!a ahasEs and their ages?
T: James Stephen Taylor,Jr, age eighteen, Mary Louise Taylor, age fifteen,
and QBjaJ' Mae Taylor, age four.
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B: -eMfth, now which one are you? I mean are you the oldest?
T: No, I'm next to the oldest.
B: "1D&auhwela'Lt.foeol1-e. What grade are you in?
T: The eleventh.
B: Are you having any difficulties in school?
T:
B: S'ye^ are you doing tutoring work over here or., ririiju'M
T: No.
B: Do you live near the center here?
T: -Uh / 3
B: -f"tafk what street do you live on?
T: On Duncan.
B: On Duncan Street, D-u-n-c-a-n,
T: 44 rihX t-,N%, \j
B: How far is that from South Broadway?
T: About six or seven blocks.
B: iftS do you go to church?
T: at West Cross Street Baptist Church.
B: Were you over at the meeting last night by the way?
T: No.
B: They had a nice meeting over there last night. I was over there.
Do you have any problems with other young people, getting on with
other young people?
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' No.
B: Do they treat you any differently because you're an Indian?
T: Well, some of the schools
d0.
B: What do they, they have a tendency to shy away from you or make
remarks or anything like that?
T: Yes, and they CC({ J ad on Indians, most of them.
B: What do you feel about this?
T: I feel that we're all the sameno matter what your race is.
B: Right. Ba-yeu mkca an you remember any particular problems at
all in this connection?
T: Well, let's see. This girl and me)a-c, I was in the tenth grade
last year, and she made a remark about the Indians while we were
in history clasand that made me a little upset about it and I
told her tat, "D l r what she was saying __^_.'
Sen LLcr^ about i tt^^Il-jiuAr.-
told her that.. Luld take it outside.
B: Did she take you up on it?
T: No. C1 --' o
B: Do you think our Indian children are a little too sensitive about re-
marks like this?
T: No.
B: They take it pretty well?
ST: They take it pretty well.
B: Can you think of anything we could do to help along these lines afi-Cd
help people better understand each other and get along better together?
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T: No, can't think a W.
B: When they teach you in school, what place now?
T: The eleventh.
B: Have you studied anything at all about Indians in school?
T: 4Sa this year.
B: WmZaNt what course is that in?
T: Wi.a81i history.
B: "=PC th. You have counsellors in school?
T: Qmaii. ye >
B: They don't teach sex education?
T: Well, they did last year.
B: MU -hn4Y
T: We had sex education.
B: Do you think it was helpful, too?
T: inh-hn. -^
B: Do you think people of the community frown on this sort of thing maybe?
T: Most of them do.
B: Think they feel it shouldn't be taught?
T: Well not the younger ones,.the older ones like my dad. They think
it shouldn't be teaching in school. But if they don't teach them
in school/nobody else is going to teach it to them.
B: Right. If you have a personal problem you want to discuss and have nobody
to talk tocan you always go to your counselor?
T: Yes.
B: What's your favorite subject in school?
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T: U.S. history.
B: Do you think the Indians got eft out of history, too?
T: They don't really' ye7 I m.nriia:. 'l in history they
talk about the Negro s and the whites, and I don't think the Indians
should be left out Id ';'' .
B: Of course American history began with the American Indian.
T: Right.
B: And if you're told was a small group, I suppose you can
p l / C sometimes.
T: Yes.
B: Do you think there's anything that might be done to stimulate more
interest along these lines?
T: Yesy I can't think of none.
B: Do you think people would be interested in a course on American Indian
T: I think most of them would, because like at school, .yaSMesw, I told
a lot of my friends about Indian enter, and one night:about thirteen
or fourteen of them come down here and they liked it down here.
There was Indian dancing that night and most of them liked 25 gp
-gms c They said they'd like to do some beadwork now.
B: *4aiih, do you do this sort of thing, beadwork?
T:
B: Are you good at it?
T: Not good at it. I just learned over the summer when I was working down
here.
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B: Do you come over for the Indian dances on Thursday nights?
T: U-b 4
B: Do you dance?
T: No, my sister does, but I don't.
B: You don't dance Indian-style or otherwise?
T: Uh uh.
B: Just enjoy watching.
T: Right.
B: You and I are about in the same boat, but I want to learn
Indian danceS',
T: Well, I know a few steps / i& but I just like to sit
back and watch them do it.
B: fgiS, very colorful isn't it?
T: JlIMh.. \e-s
B: Very beautiful really, and I'll tell you one thing there's some
beautiful Indian girls out on the dance floor there, Don't
you think Indian girls are beautiful?
T: --f e-.
B: How about Indian guys?
T: Yes.
B: They're not beautiful, but maybe they're handsome.
T: Yes...right.
B: What do you plan to do when you get through school?
T: I want to go to college and go to nursing school.
B: Do you think you'll be able to make it?
T: Yes, I think so.
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B: What do you girls think about women's lib? Do you think our young
people are inclined to lean towards women's lib?
T: In a way I do. It'really doesn't make no sense, women's lib. T'STUt
howP
aJilsr t^aai_i they know they're going to get treated anyway,
so...
B: You don't think it's going to make.much difference?
T: No, it's not going to make much difference. It's like these women
that want to work construction. They work construction maybe two
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or three weeks. Tihey do nothing and...they just give up on it
B: I picked up the telephone the other day and I listened for a soft
feminine voice to say, "Number please." This guy's voice came on.
How do you feel about guys who serve as telephone operators?
T: I really don't know. (j '--
B: Do you think it's sort of a reaction to women's lib?
T: Yeb, it is.
B: Do you like things the way they were in the past?
T: Yes, they were better the way they were^ Women did women's work and
men did men's work.
B: I see. They're just not made the same are they?
T: No.
B: What do you think young people can do about the problems today? Do
yo6 think they have a good idea of which to do and all this?
T: Well, some of them have good ideas about things, but ggvgggy, really
it wouldn't matter that I did try to change it, because if it's going
to be changed it's going to be changed.
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B: And you don't thin young people dhoa have to say or do would
make much difference?
T: No, because older people-, p -Bf as just don't listen to younger
people. They might listen to them, but yr a1mm they don't take
their advice or nothing. It's just something that's going in-one
ear and coming out the other. But it really wouldn't make no dif-
ference if they tried to change it.
B: I don't know about that. I like to listen to young people. They
have great ideaS1 T
T: Yes.
B: Do you feel that these ideas are wasted time?
T: I feel most of them are.
B: Bi too bad, isn't it?
T: Yes.
B: Is there anything you would like to do? I take it you feel that there
is a generation gap. Is it very good to talk to older people?
T: Well, some older people are god3 lik- rI Y ..aM.MMa L, it's
hard for me to talk to my mother than it is to talk to myl t'
And-SUam Ioaybecan talk to my, one of my aunts better than I
can talk to my sister.
B: Do you think Indian parents are stricter than other people?
T: No, not really, because ymc --1- r ,y ,- -n' .ii. my parents/they usually
allow at least a little bit of freedom. Some things we want
1- (P-' they won't let us have our way about it, but with
other things they go along with.
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B: Do you think that people say sometimes "I don't know what's going to
happen to our young people." You don't see any difference, do you?
T: No, I don't.
B: I don't think there is any difference. The young people of yester-
day and the young people of today...
T: .y
B: ...perhaps some people, they have more money to spend and this
sort of thing. Do you think Indian children are very respectful
towards parents?
T: .,I a mhem, you know, they respect i faFC
and other people.
B: I think Indian children have beautiful manners.
T: -4-htih. y S
B: I wish we could do something about the generation gap, but I don't
see any generation gap between me and younger people'jl'__ (t_ C _
I really encourage young people ,i's a, to talk to me pretty
freely, -uasmsm, tell me things and just talk together. I really
don't see all that much difference d1WMCl- 'tAt e-.g'dh-
my friends ;lt., C all right, you don't know what you want to
do U,/ kv Vp r-,.
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T: NOY
B: It might be a better one.
T: Right.
B: BUZM"h and then when you go into college...do you make pretty good
grades in school?
T: Yes, they're pretty good except for physical science.
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B: That's sort of a man's subject anyway, isn't it?
T: Yes
B: Guys get more interested in...
T: Right.
B: ...physical things "d girls I suppose the girls
beat them in some other areas C .Do you study
Home Ec.?
T: Yes.
B : Do you find it's a helpful subject?
T: Anyway I'd like the course -OeFrat w, like sewing and cooking. Z=e
there you gotP3y uM two things you can do. You could work
in a factoryaaS9MM, if you wanted to, making clothes or be
a cook or something like that I@@a( working in a nice restaurant.
B: Is there anything you'd like to pass on to other young people?
T: No.
B: I want to thank you so very much for this interview '
T: Thank you.
B: You're very, you're a nice _U_ eCt to interview. Thank you
so very much.
S Iwelcome.
T: 40enT welcome.
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. UL lOA Page 1. INTERVIEWEE: Pam Taylor INTERVIEWER: Lew Barton B: We have another young lady here with us to be interviewed. Would you mind telling us what your name is) pfu.J.c. l'\'\~ "-"'' ? T: I'm Pamela C. Taylor. B: Pamela C. Taylor, T-a-y-1-o-r. How old are you, Pam? T: Sixteen. B: Sixteen, that's a nice age to be, isn't it? Do you enjoy being sixteen? T: Yes. B: Have you got any boyfriends and girlfriends? T: Yes. B: Which do you have the most of? T: Girlfriends. B: Do you have any sports in school? T: Yes, baseball. B: Do you play on the girls team? T: Uh-hulT-.G ffr-1 ,---fr~") '/ c5 B: -;.:Utt" litdt. Would you mind telling us the names of your parents? T: Mildred Louise Taylor and James Stephen Taylor. B: Would you mind telling us the names of your brothers and sisters aa1n.ls9!l!!l-S~ttllll!l!!l~S and their ages? T: James Stephen Taylor/Jr, age eighteen, Mary Louise Taylor, age fifteen, ~r/ln~ and M;tw;I~ Mae Taylor, age four.
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~--------UL lOA Page 2. dib B: !lift lid:, now which one are you? I mean are you the oldest? T: No, I'm next to the oldest. B: "1:1:1::;aul'"i we H:;...,-oe -tolo---me-. What grade are you in? T: The eleventh. B: Are you having any difficulties in school? ~*&'r,A'\0 ~"'1 V,,~~ 1 ol, T: m~ I C H I " I ., -tr_,... ... _.. . . _.\ ,-,vnCA. D +.t re, ;,,s B: e.re you doing tutoring work over here orsI I 1 5 ua're .. h-d-r-, ''St Q ,(IC T: No. B: Do you live near the center here? B : .. ~trh-:.la:m., ~at street do you live on? ::-T: B: B: T: B: T: B: T: On Duncan. 0 S .. ? n Duncan treet, D-u-n-c-a-n. How far is that from South Broadway? About six or seven blocks. 18;1 \bm,, do you go to church? Vt-cs.', "Eat West Cross Street Baptist Church. Were you over at the meeting last night/by the way? No. B: They had a nice meeting over there last night. I was over there. Do you have any problems with other young people, getting on with other young people?
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UL lOA Page 3. dib ']; B: T: B: T: B: T: No. Do they treat you Well, some of the d.o, any differently schoolst' because you're an Indian? What do theyA they have a tendency to shy away from you or make ,.,,,. remarks or anything like that? , Ce(f:,;i"lltf Yes, and theyre ,,bad on Indians, most of them. What do you feel about this? I feel that we're all the same 1 no matter what your race is. B: Right. Bo J OM lta, "'_an you remember any particular problems at all in this connection? T: Well, let's see. This girl and me)Ji-..~I was in the tenth grade last yea'9and she made a remark about the Indians while we weFe B: in history clas~ ~at made me a little upset about it 1 and I J told her ,-::;J!-_f.t14 c!~• -1'0 t.,.J/: ./ r what she was saying .b C-:..--:,•th./~-~ -. I I,.-~ ,, 1 ...... .. ~--~ . ' l ... ,,~!I ,.. .; . .... '/ ,,. .J.. ,, . •. ' r . ' I ,j c ... ... .... ,:) about i l(,;)Ut.,.r::-Jus't'.', ~J}crr.;;;; ,... ,. +:, ~--j t 1-..f' I"', b;~~1 i"f, 7.,i.J told her th~5ftcc:tng Hf)k>:fathcr bii'.ett~ta=+t: /\~uldtake it outside. Did she take you up on it? C 4""' T: No. ( l'---'-J :. { ...} B: Do you think our Indian children are a little too sensitive about re marks like this? T: No. B: They take it pretty well? , T: They take it pretty well. B: Can you think of anything we could do to help along these line9;::rm:,;...'10 help people better understand each other and get along better together?
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L UL lOA Page 4. dib T: B: T: B: T: B: T: No, can't think c:!l-f\Cil'\C When they teach you in school, what place now? The eleventh. Have you studied anything at all about Indians in school? 't C:> , e-+11d•, this year. what course is that in? fj.S, ~,r'istory. B: ~h.J>OYou have J'; counsellors in school? T: )!I~ B: T: B: T: They don't teach sex education? Well, they did last year. C ~(I .. -~ 1 t-..•-eJ ,1 t Uh huh: \ I, t , .:t, ' 7 We had sex education. B: Do you think it was helpful, too? (",.. (' f"~. ' -.. -...::'.:l, ,/ t" ... ,,._ T: Uh-httl'!-t'":"".fi1'~•., ,r, / --..1 B: Do you think people of the community frown on this sort of thing maybe? T: Most of them do. B: Think they fee~ it shouldn't be taught? ce;_ Io f c;,f -:JC-...t,,t}; .~.!.{I .... T: Wel11\not the younger ones, the older ones like my dad. They think it shouldn't be teaching in school. But if they don't teach them in school 1 nobody else is going to teach it to them. B: Right. If you have a personal problem you want to discuss and have nobody to talk to/can you always go to your counselor? T: Yes. B: What's your favorite subject in school?
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UL lOA Page 5. dib T: U.S. history. B: T: Do you think the Indians, ~ot \eft out of history, too? !t r, ,:1 c_ 4i\L. t r ,.x. u.(() . . They don't real-ly , , y;oa. kna1 , e Ht&.!@!!M.I; ,!_n history they talk about the Negro/sand the whites, arid I don't think the Indians I, J should be left out f'r/~_,.~;,,., .. . B: Of course American history began with the American Indian. T: Right. ....,:J_ B: And if you're told --'-~ __ was a small group, I suppose you can .• J .,, / ..... c'--~ tJ..c1r /1' 'J _ , :L sometimes. T: Yes. B: Do you think there's anything that might be done to stimulate more T: B: interest along these lines? YesY\I can't think of none. Do you think people would be interested in a course on American Indian e.,,I. r;~ c--::S1 'tAcll t C? T: I think most of them would, because like at school, J!. allla!l'I,, I told <}'le. a lot of my friends aboutl\Indian'1enter, and one night:about thirteen or fourteen of them come down here 1 and -they liked it down here. There was Indian dancing that night and most of them liked t9' e, li.Q!S.s They said they'd like to do some beadwork now. B: iliii?P>h, 4,p you do this sort of thing, beadwork? T: 'tih huh. G.(< ,n,• A•( ~, ;::l y LS B: Ate you good at it? '.r: Not good at .. it. r just learned over the summer when I was working down here.
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UL lOA Page 6. dib B: Do you come over for the Indian dances on Thursday nights? T: Ub...lwh .Gff tf\!~ 1,,~I-M;] '-f B: Do you dance? T: No, my sister does, but I don't. B: T: You. don't dance)Indian-style or otherwise? ,,.,.l-4 Uh uh. ~"S .~ ' 1 ':C...J NC:, B: J . h". -;> ust enJoy watc ing. T: Right. B: You and I are about in the same boat, but I want to learn Glo s~ Indian dance$""• T: Well, I know a few steps C .-( if , but I just like to sit back and watch them do it. ~+'~ B: ~. very colorful isn't it? T: JfllE!tuJ;i ye-s B: Very beautiful really, and I'll tell you one thi~ there's ) beautiful Indian girls out on the dance floor there! Don't you think Indian girls are beautiful? B: How about Indian guys? T: Yes. B: They're not beautiful, but maybe they're handsome. T: Yes right. B: What do you plan to do when you get through school? T: I want to go to college and go to nursing school. B: Do you think you'll be able to make it? T: Yes, I think so. some
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UL lOA Page 7. dib B: What do you girls think about women's lib? Do you think our young people are inclined to lean towards women's lib? T: In a way I do. It 'really doesn't make no sense, women's lib. 'i!idyS:iie holP @ll! iW :tc:: gH a awra i, ~hey know /\they' re going to get treated anyway, so B: You don't think it's going to make.much difference? T: No, it's not going to make much difference. It's like these women that want to work construction .They work construction maybe two o-:r:::-( 1 r.c or three weeks. Tb ey do nothing and they just gf..ve up on it ,cd:, eoaaou (/ _!io;, __ 1'~ "'h:: ~,,)...,~,' .~ ,r.r\ etAI~ ~t,;. 4rt ts/, ; .1 J;;bat's Rot se~\ti.ftg,e -.J,n \. C ' B: I picked up the telephone the other day 1 and I listened for a soft feminine voice to say, "Number please." This guy's voice came on. How do you feel about guys who serve as telephone operators? T: I really don't know. (fc.i...l.j f--~ B: Do you think it's sort of a reaction to women's lib? T: Ye, it is. B: T: Do you like things the way they were in the past? Yes, they were better the way they werQ Women did women's work and men did men's work. B: I see. They're just not made the same 1 are they? T: No. B: What do you think young people can do about the problems today? Do you think they have a good idea of which to do and all this? T: Well, some of them have good ideas about things, but .t!QiS!s;;;..r, really it wouldn't matter that I did try to change it, because if it's going to be changed it's going to be changed.
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UL lOA Page 9. dib B: Do you think that people say sometimes "I don't know what's going to happen to our young people." You don't see any difference, do you? T: No, I don't. B: I don't think there is any difference. The young people of yester day and the young people of today T: .:mt 1fflh.ye ::.::, B: perhaps some people, they have more money to spend and this sort of thing. Do you think Indian children are very respectful towards parents? \P~\\l M e>J+ irJ J T: (\ Oit th:i:ng ane-tt7t=hem, you know, they respect •,t"'/..A.\ 'r fl 11.. t .!2, i\T' I really encourage young people~ z, to talk to me pretty freely, 3 1e a, tell me things and just talk together. rreally don't see all that much difference bdiv\!fA\. ttl. l.,,_c~a_ my friends ..:?~1'-/J___ I l do l,1/kc\.-, l>/ r-, '\. ,::.i' fv-0-fcvfIt might be a better , all right, you don't know what you want to () ,;::, .. -~ ' ... , . ' ,-, "'. \ \ .. u ) ;.. . I/ .. T: Right. B: 13W ,_, and then when you go into college do you make pretty good grades in school? T: Yes, they're pretty good except for physical science.
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UL lOA Page 10. dib B: That's sort of a man's subject anyway, isn't it? T: Yes .. B: Guys get more interested in T: Right. .Jr •. \ ,_\I• B: physical things •~ girls ------I suppose the girls -•, .. ,.....,~1 beat them in some other areas ) ,r\' .. r 1 \ 2 , r. ,,. ' Do you study Home Ee.? T: Yes. B: Do you find it's a helpful subject? T: Anyway I'd like the course(e,a aha: a:, like sewing and cooking. ~here you got/3/o.aalmw:~ two things you can do. You could work in a factory,~U_a;:.., if !.ou wanted to, making clothes or be a cook or something like that,,ss I \ working in a nice restaurant. B: Is there anything you'd like to pass on to other young people? T: No. B: I want t~r,:.cto thank you so very much for 1.( p.-: r. r1). 0 } ;r !~~-0. T: Thank you. this interview,; B: You're very, you're a nice .Sv-6JC:.ct-'--to interview. Thank you so very much. Jou I r-u T: / -!:fr:rr welcome.
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