Interview with Darrel Mase, February 3, 1977

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This is a monologue by Dr. Darrel Mase, and it is part of the University of
Florida Oral History Project.

Mase came to the University from New Jersey because J. Hills Miller, then
the president of the school, told him that there was going to be a Health
Center built on campus that would include a medical school. Mase accepted
appointments in the psychology, and speech departments in the College of
Arts and Sciences, and one in the College of Education. Soon after, in
1952, he helped write a series of studies relating to health matters
throughout Florida. He also became the head of the Florida Center for
Clinical Services.

Mase became dean of the College of Health Related Professions at the Health
Center, and he helped to establish paramedic, medical technology, physical
therapist, and occupational therapist administered programs while serving
as dean. Mase oversaw the deans of the Florida Center for Clinical Service,
and the incorporation of its programs into the Health Center.

Mase retired as dean in 1970 at age 65. He worked in Health Systems
Research for five years, and since 1975 he has had a clinical professorship
in the Department of Community Health and Family Medicine.


Subject: Daryl Mase



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M: ... as coordinator of the Florida Center of Clinical Services, which

had just been organized4 and I'll talk a little more about it later

on. I came in JulyA a very, very hot summer day, one of the hottest,
they said on the record. I'd never been in Florida, -hut after two

days of interview for this position, which also carried with it a

pfffese-rshi-p in the College of Education, one in Arts and Sciences

in Psychology, and one in Speech in Arts and Sciences, and also

I reported directly to the president, as did the various deans. Very

delightful arrangement. No one ever knew quite which hat you were

wearing. You could be real nice to the Jean of the College of
Education o-p one of his staff, or call him a, whatever you wanted to,

as a member of the College of Arts and Sciences, don't you know.

And I think some of that's still going on, probably after all these

twenty-seven years, or whatever it is. But anyway, it was Dallas

Dickey, Dr. Dickey in the speech department, who recommend me, Doug

Dickey's father. Passed away a number of years ago, 4-f I remember

with pleasure after I came, how I -----------------------that I went

with Dallas and Gertrude to the football games in high school, and

then the University of Florida, still watch them with great interest.

But the big thing that made the difference of my leaving New Jersey

and coming to Florida was not the, not Florida, not the weather, not

all the salesmanship with the wonderful state, it was one man, J.

Hillis Miller, the President, a great person, who had come from

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New York state, and was taking the University to great heights. He

would have taken us, if he'd been allowed to live, to even a greater

university than we are today. President Miller, in the interview,

made it very clear that there was probably going to be a College of

Medicine, and other programs, as well, and that he'd like to have me

come and see what we could do about making a medical school, and other

colleges in a 'Health center'. He referred to a health Oenter, not

to a Medical Fenter. So did the studies. So did the, everything

about it, but still we find in our news releases, and in our signs

along the highway, its a Medical center, instead of a health center,

so we still have a ways to go on that. And a health center's a

much better deal than a Medical Fenter, because it encompasses

prevention and health,7being, and keeping people healthy, as well

as taking care of those who are sicking dying, in the process.

But, anyway, he also talked about how we could make the medicall

school a part of the University, as well as, as rather than apart

from it, which it so often is, on many campuses. Many campuses are,

figuratively on a different campus, and on the same campusA v0y

often h-as nothing to do with the rest of the campus. We've made a

lot of headway6Chere's still things that need to be done, though.

The whole business, though, it was my privelige to play golf, and

to fish with J. Hillis Miller, and the two families to spend time

together. Great person. Great opportunity, the few years I had to

play with him, and work with him, and dream with him, for he was

really a dreamer. Anyway, there'd been a citizens committee, by

order of the governor, appointed in 1945, to study all of higher

education. All of this is reported in-an excellent series of studies,

entitled "Planning Florida's Health Leadership" five volumes, Its

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in the university library, and anyone who is interested in the early

history of the development should certainly read that. In 1952,

J., Russell Poor was brought to the University by JI.-Hillis Miller

to head that study, and then later became the first provo of the

Health center, as the records indicate. But, in this study, it was

made very clear that ample support should be given to the public

schoolsi- the programs at higher education, but we had to think

very seriously about moving to a program for medical education, and

related education. Notice the word related education, because this

has something to do with what I want to chat about a little later.

There was a big impetus, along in those years, too, after '45, in

new hospital construction, some twenty one million of federal funds,

and twelve million in state funds went into hospital construction.

We thought we had all the hospital beds we needed, but we continued

to build them, and of course, now, we have more than we need, again.

But that's the way of life. Back in those days, our people in Florida

who wanted to study medicine or dentistry did this through the

Southern Regional Education Board, with a compact with them... .. rM

which state paid -fif.t.e.. ,Lundred-dol--la-rs toward the cost of the

education, and then they could goq to, medical student.could go to
1-Cc-;-(' orC.
Vanderbilt, Emory, or -Tri-a. And -terwe-re-fcr schools,

too, for dentistry. And we had a good many students at Opi.....

fifty three about t-e-htndTed-and-twenty medical students, and rre/(2_

Ilundred-and-twe-v-e dental schools, students, that were working

through these programs at one stage or another. So that we saw

quite a development in thatiextent. It was in that 1943 study,

however, that they indicated that if4 and when there was to be a

medical school, it should be a college, it should be at the

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University of Florida. I think the history is pretty well known,

but some might know that later on, it turned where a girl was put

in by a senator from Miami, that the first collegeto get in

business would/Asupport, and so the Miami University started one

overnight, almost, with local physicians, and the old VA hospital

down there, and so they are getting, were, for a long time, I don't

know about right now, but were getting more fundsfor their, state

funds, than does the, or did the University of Florida, So that there

really was one, this really wasn't the first Follege of Medicine in

the state, and I,\a lot of people still don't know that. The other

thing that we saw happening about this time is that well, we also

had a little going on in medical education through continuing

education and Dr. Caison, Jacksonville, functioned at the head of

that program for a long time, with educational programs, continuing

education programs, for physicians, and some for dentists. School

of Pharmacy, of course, had been on campus for quite some time.

1-94- 'there was issued A need by the legislature by

for the House and the Senate to establish a study of what should

be done about medical education, known as the Lipard Report. Dr.

Lipard was at that time Dean of the College of Medicine at Louisiana

State University. They did a very comprehensive study, and the

study came out in 1949, and indicated that a school of medicine be

established at the University of Florida, that there be a school of

nursing, that there be a University hospital, that there be a school

of dentistry, but not until these others were started. We followed

that pattern pretty well you note, and that the university hospital

be integrated structurally and functionally in the Medical center,

here's still some of that to do. And, note this statement: "The

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center should be concieved as the focal point for development of

an educational, of the educational program in medicine and related

fields of health services.for the state, for the state as a whole."

And then a-bout regard to s-ecte---t-se-et-inoa-l interest. And it

be under the administrative control of the University of Florida.

And those things have come to pass. Dr. Lipard came back then5

after he'left Louisiana, for a follow-up study, in late '49* 'r

really -e-epiiphssi--t-he number of these things. One of the things

that I thought was rather interesting in reviewing back over some

of this, was the fact that the president/stated at-thit time, that

he was, about '49, that he was at a loss to know how to proceed, and
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that's when theywent out to get funds. And he had a big grant of

fivehundr.ed_.and-nine-ty---thousand-do-Hiars from the Comwealth Fund,

and I was successful in getting some additional funds from a dear

friend Metty Switzer, who headed Vocational Rehabilitation. And

with that, we were able to study a whole lot of the fields of allied

health professions, and rehabilitation that we wouldn't have been

able to otherwise. So that moved along, and,. .aa in very nice order.

?'/ i t was also pretty clearly defined that, from the medical center

study, that the, well, it was'l952 that they started the medical

center study with these funds, and they were in temporary quarters,

or in one of those temporary buildings, which, there's nothing,n o'
i- L''/temporary building. Well, I went on half-time with that, and worked

with Dr. Poor and the staff that he had, John McLaughlin, from

Sociology went on that staff, and that's what evolved the five volumes

that I made reference to a little bit ago. The principle objectives
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of the medical center study, they had a well known, jai-4y well

known list of consultants andAadvisory board, and we visited programs

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all over the country to study programs. And probably at that time

was considered one of the most thorough going studies that had

been done! in, before one began to determine what the program

should be. I think that this is very significant and the reason

I often feel that it would be well for deans, and heads of depart-

ments in the various colleges in the health center to occasionally

go back and read that report, it may be sounder than some of the

things they are trying to do at the moment, along the way. But

anyway, the 'medical center study indicated that there would be need

to design integrated programs in medical related fields, quality

leadership) -They mentioned nursing, they mentioned related health

areas, they mentioned related education. This all was pretty much

what they went along trying to do, and to plan a schematically

complete integrated building to house all parts of the health center,

was one of the things. And they emphasized it should be a health

.enter, there's a whole chapter back there that should be read. Ond

I don't think has been'by many people about the health Fenter concept.

The whole concept, really thats- coming out of this study was that

if we train people together, they will work together. After

twenty five years, I'm convinced if we train them together, they

might work together, but that doesn't mean they will. Especially

as we are so separate as we are, and do not find ways and means to

weed out the common knowledge to be learned by different professions

in health, or within a profession for that matter. See, I used to

be defensive about how medicine felt about me, a non-M.D, Yntil I

discovered how they feel about one another. And if they ever do

the courtesies of using the \_ I >'/. against me that they

do against one another, then I'll really feel like I belong. You

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know, internal medicine Ji. surgery, orthopedics aid ii ,

and all of them, and psychiatry, for that matter. It's just, we just

build our programs in isolation, separateness, andthen expect

everybody to love one another, and it just doesn't quite work out

that way without a lot of effort. But anyway, the Florida Center

of Clinical Services,that I earlier related to, was used as a

prototype in this study. And there's a chapter in the first volume

about it, and about the Florida Center, having mergedAother,

several colleges, e- departments, and services on the University of

Florida campus, now operate successfully as an excellent example

of interdiciplinary cooperation. .tQf'Athe mechanism for effecting
such cooperation may differ in other areas,, is nevertheless

reasonable to expect many significant examples of this type of

educational enterprise to emerge of the many latent areas of

opportunity which will come into being on this campus when the

health center becomes a reality. At the time I retired from the

Deanship, for you see/ I'm 72, will be this fall, and I had to give up

the deanship of the college and when I was 65, and then I went over

into Health Systems Research for five years, andAnow that I am

no good at seventy, after seventy, I now am in the Department of

Community Health and Family Medicine with a clinical professorship,

r: and I don't have to go to work, but do nearly every day, becausee its

one of the hottest fields of medicine tha- is, and bringing together

people from the different professions in a way that excites me.

But at the time of my retirement from the deanship, Russell Poor

wrote a letter, was not able to get there for it, but stated in

that letter; Daryl,AI have often said, your ideas as expressed in

the Florida Center of Clinical Services were not only the basis

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for the College of Health Related Professions, but in a very real

sense, they were the seed bed, so to speak, for the entire J.

Hillis Miller Health Center. Well, he had a way of saying nice

things, but it has brought him this study, that it should be used

as a prototype. So let's talk a little bit about what the old

Florida Center of Clinical Serviceswas. There'd been a number of

things going on in campus, and evolving, and you know how things

evolve on a university campus, some professor gets interested in it,

and so to keep him around, if they like him, they let him do what

he wants to do, and the first thing you know, you've got something

you don't know quite what to do with. Or, they decide they want

some kinds of things, and so, I then, began to, as I came down, they

had looked around, and they had together at that time the Speecd

Clinic in the Speech Department, Psychology Clinic, thenAcalled a

Mental Health Clinic, and the Psychology Department, both in Arts

and Sciences. A reading laboratory and clinic had just been

established and so that was put in this structure of the Florida

Center of Clinical Services. A lot of, a lot of marriage counseling

was going on in the Department of Sociology, three people over

there were doing a lot of marriage counseling, and so we established

a Marriage and Family Clinic. Tim Scott, and some others were

doing some things over in the Health and Physical Education, -ain4

exercise work, corrective exercises, and so we brought that in

under our fold. Not things that one would bring together, but things

that were going on the campus that needed to be brought together.

The College of Arts and Sciences, as a rule, are never interested

in applied areas, and here, lo and behold, we ended up with two

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applied areas, -i4h- speech and hearing clinic and a psychology

clinic, so they were very happy to get rid of those things. It

wasn't very respectable anyway, don't you know. D n -' iT

the dissertations that they turned out. But it did fit the needs

of people. 1977, we decided that maybe if

we're going to survive this University, welbetter be more concerned

with the needs of people. Yet we've always been concerned with

the needs of animals and plants, with their land grant colleges,

and be awfully nice if we do as much as people as we do for animals,

one of these days, and so I think we're kind of moving that way.

Well, anyway, we brought these Inrr4:C things together,-o

I set up a state advisory committee of well, very well known

citizens, to keep them informed of the helpless. And I remember,

in getting that Florida Center of Clinical Services started, Well,

I came in with a professorship in speech, one in Psychology, and

one in education. With my title j coordinator of the Center,

meant that I reported directly to the president, just as the deans

did# and sat in on those meetings. It was delightful, you know,

no one ever knew which hat you wore. They just couldn't tell, so

that you could be, bow to the feet of the Dean of the College of

Education, or call him an s.o.b. if you wanted to, as a member of

the College of Arts and Sciences. And they never knew. But it

became very monotonous, because after two months, I found that I

couldn't begin to attend the meetings of the various programs, and

so I went to J. Hillis Miller, and said, "Listen, Miller, is an

appointment in the University an appointment 6f the whole University,

or just a department?" "The whole University, of course." Then

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I said, "I want rid of two of my professorships, so I can get

down to work." But he said, "That's a new one, but fine, if that's

what you want." And I did. That didn't change, I taught, bne

semester there, in Education, the next one speech, and the next

one psychology. But it didn't have to have an appointment in the

department c co i

I didn't have to go to all the meetings in which I wasn't very

interested. I didn't do. I mean, there's so many nice, interesting

things that wastesour time, that listening to Carter last night

made one hopeful that maybe something still could be done. And it

better be done in universities if they wish to survive. Ha ha,

61d man talking. But anyway, the Florida Center moves along, and

aa I mentioned earlier, I very soon then moved over into the study

half timeA -t was called the Medical Center Study, .nd so we

moved along, o- into that, and it was from that that we.decided

that we should develop some kind of an administrative structure to

prepare those who are sometimes referred to as paramedical, I don't

like the term, but associated with, or supportive of medicineA And

so, after visiting programs over the country, I found for example,

at the University of Pennsylvania, when they did away with under-

graduate programs and wanted to move into just graduate programs,

they had a few things left over that they didn't know what to do with,

such as Physical therapy and occupationall therapy, and Medical

technology, a-r I think there was another one. And so they put them

way off away from the campus, into a structure, organizational

structure, Unwanted and unnurtured, they didn't do very well for .

awhile, but here was a structure that had possibilities. And so I

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came back and suggested to President Miller/ and others in the

administration that perhaps we should look at this administrative

structures, and develop a college for those in related areas. And

as I did, I was told after some time, "Well, we could have a school,

but not a college."A We only had one or two schools, such as the

School of Forestry, under the College of Agriculture. And I said,

"Well, you can, but I want no part of it. I'm not interested in

Physical -Therapy and these things, unless we can helpAgrow up and

be professional people, teaIWto work with medicine and other people.

It'll be a College or nothing in my book." So after lots of

hassels back and forth, and after I had looked and did studies,

in respect to what should be,,,I found, for example, that there were.

no programs in training physical therapists in Louisiana, Mississippi,

Alabama, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, or

Florida---- In occupational +herapy. Not in physical therapy in

those states, except in)onee in Ndrth Carolina, Duke. There were

the lowest incidence at that time of aS P.T.'sA O.T.'s were in the

southeastern states, and those we had were seeing the country and

looking for a husband,ln the process, they were all women. So,

seemed to me those were two areas, and we were looking at the needs

in rehabilitation, and there were needs for supportive people, and

people who did a lot of the work. So, we moved along, and ended

all types of things, and 'Medical -echnology, there were, at that

time, a number of colleges had programs, but the administration

didn't know they had, because they just took regular courses for

three years, and then the students rushed to find a place in some

hospital to learn how to be a fiedical -echnologist, and the college

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or university gave them a degree. Some of that's still going on,T'1r :o,

j- 5-) but not much. And we decided that we should try to make it a
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respectable profession,A four yearsAsupervised and direct a lot of

the clinical training, lots of it could be done in teaching labs,ris Vr

iwA. Well, to make a long, long story short, we decided that we should
move in first with physical Therapy, occupational therapy, and

Medical Technology. Also another. When Mary Switzer, grand, grand

lady, one of the greatest persons I've ever known, came down, along

with Howard Rusk, and some other people for the affair dedicating

the old Florida Center of Clinical Services, taking Mary back to

the plane in Jacksonville, she wanted me to start a program in

Rehabilitation .ounselling. And I said, "WellU Mary, can't do that."

"Well," she said, "I think you should, there are never going to be

more than ten or twelve of them,.and we'll fund it. We need them

very much." I said, "Well, Mary, can you see Dean Harrella_Xi Has. Ar?

Dean of the College of Medicine-, standing up and giving degrees to_

'' de -:.: in pehab., counselling before he has graduates

ffi-m Medicine, I can't." We said, work out something, see if you

can Well, I went to the College of Education, got them to take

this program until such times there was a better home for it. There

was a home, and what was going to be then the Health Center. We

put it there, what it was then the Health Center. And so, we moved

that program from College of Education over to the College of

Health Related Professions. And then we had the Clinical psychology

over in the old Florida Center of Clinical Services. We pretty
much closed out,awe closed out the Florida Center of Clinical

Services. An brought pieces of it over to the Elinical psychology

and speech and Jearing, Eommunicative disorders, over to the College

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of Health Related Professions. And, then we started the program of

Health and Hospital Administration, a Baeekees degree. That

was for training not only hospital administrators,-but those whe-

w-a-d in health and other areas as well. Since then, Dean Suzuki

who took over in 1950, I brought him here in 1948, I think it was,

Dean Suzuki has added Bachelor of Science degrees and the Master

of Science degrees in Allied Health Professions, and {'T 4 f d2' '(

i1 Dietetics and Nutrition. Well, now there's lots of interesting

stories that could be told,-.and I think a few o'f them can be, and

should be, ]ow$ I remember, for example, going over to the College

of Arts and Sciences with the Jean, Ralph Page, Associate ean,Ahead

of chemistry and physics, andAwe were talking about these programs

and one of the associate deans pounded his fist,-i the table, with

his fist, and said, "Now, Daryl, we're not going to have programs

like Medical -echnology and Physical _herapyI rn this university."

And I said, "And what's wrong with those programs?" "Well," he

said, "They're just not up to our standards." And I tossed over

to him a curriculum of Medical technology, and one for Physical

-therapy, and I said, "What's wrong with these, Stan?" Stan Wimberling.

And he said, "Oh, my God, nobody can, you can't get anybody in those

courses." And I said, "We got nobody in those courses." But he

said, "You just can't, those are rougher than some of our own."

I said, "That's right, And if these aren't professional, neither

are yours." And from"that moment on, he was quite a supporter. I

spent about a year, a little over, going from office to office,

from college to College, explaining what these things were. Because

people didn't know them, and don't know them \leYr.I Ujii /T.
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A lot of people, a lot of aam-edic ais in the University wouldn't

have come in contact with a whole lot of/ over two hundred different

allied Health Eareers we have today. I remember that was a year

that, uh, '58,Athere was to be no new programs in-the Mniversity,

no new courses. And so, we went before the University committee,

faculty., committee, threee new curricula were approved in les-s than

five minutes, With only one person asking a question. And that

was because the public relations had been done before the fact,

rather than trying to do them after the fact. And so we were in

business, if you please, and we'd had quite some time, I remember,

for example, the time we had trying to come up with a name, of whatvvil

the college should be called. First of all, as I mentioned, they

wanted to be a school. But then when it came to be a College, this,

we were looking for names of a college. I wanted to call it

College of Associated Health Professions. But Dean Grinter, a very

dear friend, hel-d the table and said, "Daryl, we're not going to

let you call things like physical therapy and M4pdical technology

professions. They aren't." Well, rather than lose the concept,

I changed the name toACollege of Health Related Professions, Health

Related Services, which it was for many years, the College of

Health Related Services. And while the inventor was in Hawaii, on

a leave of absence one year, we changed it to professions. And

you know Dean Grinter and Ile never mentioned it. We're still

very good friends, but we've just one thing we've never mentioned,

is changing that.

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L -
,,...,More than once I think is how back when the Medical Science Building opened there
was a little sandwich shop down off the first floor, just across from the library
and just around the corner from where they finally found a space for the College
of Health Related Professions. Now you see, you must remember thaftall of a sudden

in 1958,we were approved in early '59 had students come, by the Board of Control,

had students coming in September, had no space, no faculty, no, we had a little

more time than that. We had about a year. Well all of a sudden we were without

space, faculty, or funds to operate, or very little. And so looking for space

was one of the interesting developments. First I can tell a story about how George

Harrell, Dean Harrell, called one day and said Daryl I think we maybe ought to look
around a little bit now and see what we can find since you're, you're going to
have your college, space for you, for your people. I saidThat's fine George. So
we went all over the medical sciences building and finally in the sub-sub basement

he showed me some space that might be available. We came up to the lobby just out-
side of, in the main lobby coming down from the campus where the little sandwich
shop was and across from the library, stood there talking and he said,"Daryl I wish
we could find something else but for the present at least I just can't see anything

but that. Well I said George, I certainly appreciate your telling me because I want

to make a telephone call, it's I'm so glad we talked today. He said,What's up?
And I said/I'm having brochures printed and I have to change and have put in there
that we can take no kind of areas of study in this collegeAthat
are over four foot eight. And he saidYou wouldn't do that. And I saidthe hell I

wouldn't, and I turned.on my heel and went to my office. It was only about an hour

later that he called and said, you know I thought of another place, do you want to
look? And I said, Well that's fortunate, I haven't been able to get the man. And so
then we found some other space that didn't have to limit the height of the graduates

at least. Another one along that line is the health center council made up of the

deans of each of the colleges, it was now fharmacy,Amedicine,!nursing and health
related then. And we still didn't have space or anything but

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I had heard that there was some space going to be available down where there had

been shops, down in what's now known as, has been known as the rehab area, in the

medical sciences building, not in the new wing (f dentistry but before that. And

so I went to Dr. Poor about this and the U_'s Joro7 0 Hospital

administrator, since it was in the hospital, that it was probably going to be

vacated, and got a letter from Dr. Poor that if it was we could have it for space.

And went ahead then and got Russ Jordon to put some money in and rushed Poor to

get ahold of some money, and George Harrell came running, coming to the office one

day just blushing right up to ears. What in the blanket blank do you think you're

doing? I just had some people downstairs and all that renovation's been going down

there, why. I said, George, I didn't know that was under your direction. I understood
that was under Dr. Poor's direction, and the hospital administrators. And he said,

Well, but what business do you have with it? And I saidthe business is this letter

that shows that it's been turned over to me,and I didn't realize that I needed to
clear with you, and I'm sure that Dr. Poor and Mr. Jordon didn't either. Well, I'm

telling these because you see in those early days you had to beg, steal most anything

to climb, to get a program. One other only. I went to the health center council

meeting one day when it was made up of the head of the hospital and each of the deans

of the colleges with the pFo'/_ and asked each of them for $25.00.

And they said what in the world do you want $25.00 for. And I said' Well because with

that little sandwich shopAacross the lobby her9gso crowded and with all the people

have to eat out in the lobby, it's like a pigpen out there all the time and I want

money to buy three shoats to put out there in the lobby, so that the legislators

will know that we know it's a pigpen and the county health department won't close

it. Well it was only six weeks later that they decided to close it and then everybody

went after the space that I already had a letter on file from,-P-d had it on file

for about six months, that when it was vacated we would have it. And that's where

the conference room was made for our college, and that'sArehabilitation counseling

was housed until very recently. Now the space is all a part of the dean of the

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college of Health Related Professions. Well, one could go on with these kinds
of stories and there's no kind of, if j'd been in George Harrell's place or any

of the others I'd have done exactly what they did. But I was sitting with a
new concept, a new college that was very questionable. We received the dubious)
perhaps distinctionof being the first one, certainly the first one in a health
center. And there'd only been this other one at that time that I mentioned to

you. Now there's about 225 of these, and for that matter the same organizational

structure is applied to, the programs in community colleges throughout the
country. And so very often anymore when I speak to a large medical group, I'm
simply introduced as Mr. Allied Health of America. And that's not because of what
I did, it's because of what J. Hillis Miller did, and what opportunity he gave me

to develop something that society needed in getting the -supporto people that are
necessary to work with health, with medicine, with dentistry and everybody else.
It's been fun chatting about all this. C / j IA JTcT:-'Ji'A'