Interview with Kenneth Bullen, August 14, 1978

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Interview with Kenneth Bullen, August 14, 1978
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Today is Monday, August 14, 1978 name is Steve Kerber and I
am going to be conducting an oral interview with Mr. Kenneth Bullen,
formerly superintendent e greenhouses for the University of Flo-
rida's HorticulturA Department. This interview will take place in
Room 106 of the Florida State Museum for the University of Florida
Oral History Project.
B: ... he. s4J -h4+ yeu record ? __
K: Yes, we do. The t 7niversity Wate has an (ral/ istorymrogram
that's been going on for about seven or eight years now and 4ft
gt4-bout o_4g I think we've got about sixty-six interviews now
with 6ut.-former faculty and staff.m
r. _, a,._-
A@> ,_ *asically W6f we-4W just ask you general biographical
K __ obout your own background and tow you came to the University of
FloridaSd then I'll ask you a few things about the work that you've done.
?(V _..-fit the University.
B: Okay.
t-t have this article here too which might be of some helpf-
K: Is that the one that was in the Sun?~ A
B: Yeia, you got it.

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K: Okay, I have that also, 4J e T(eew -AwoiY4 aotfltvealy.
B: Okay.
K: ..r.' s=.. when we get done we'll send you a copy4^-4
B: Oh, that's great!
K: c! it'll be typed up and you get to go through it and check it
out. A d fd1kbL Lgi a.l s
A-n~-t'ozt.^z-j- r' k"gpot-ne' I'd like to begin by
asking you to tell me your full name, if you would.
B: Kenneth Sutherlin Bullen.
K: emiad when did you retire from theyniversity?
B: 4W <B--it '11 be three years in January.
K: So, 1(75?
B: I guess F 75.
K: *A y ou tB1 retrehat was your job title at ha time / t
B: igl I was a nurseryman and I was the superintendent of the green-
S V(f the ornamental horticulture department.
K: I see. s:e:i at hat wash't a part of plants and grounds was it?
B: No.
K: It's really under the College of Agriculture?
B: Right.
K: I see. CZC now I'd like to back up and ask you 4 where you were
B: England.

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K: And when were4o orn?
B: 1909.pdP my mother was married to a British newspaperman and actual-
ly they were over here at the time i but she took all her babies
back to England to be born because wA they thought that1 biltl we'd
still go back to England.%tB-he was sent see, to America on his job.
bS' Sutfr.M tthey had us all educated in England because they thought it
would betor our best advantage as g British subjects. dlmb
K: wset aW6 what was your mother's name ?
B: Bertha, B-E-R-T-H-A.
K: And your father's name?
B: Percy S. Bullen -same as mine, _ute&L1__ .
K wh hfiat did your father do for a living?
B: He was a correspondent for the ;aib-London Daily Telegra, .
K: Os;:=S f. Did he coverop a certain city in the United Statesor .c m a-
B: HedfmB was in New York andx S he covered America for the paper.
K: ItNShe entire country?
B: Right.
^ wBut he had been 4d& a correspondent all over the world. He ktJeL
Winston Churchill in Africa and&OaM he'd
been really around.
K-'' w'-E,: I .-. was he 4l in newspapers his entire life?
B: Yes.

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K: J3za 4 ti B d id you grow up.Ain the United States
B: Well, until the age of 9 after we were born she took us back'
-s~;YMijiUa S we went back to BrooklynN0
-_1 I __i
~nc___, 1 I stayed there until I was about nine and then gIlfOt we
were sent to school in England and I stayed there till I was about
SwBlse seventeen or eighteen and then I came back to America.
K: i-- So, you really would have attended school for a short time
in the United States as a young child?
B: Yes, as a child.
K: In New York City?
B: O Brooklyn.
K: i ---" I *'1 And then you went back to Great Britain.
B: Yea*.
K: What was the school or schoolsAyou attendedthere?
B: In England?
K: e3d.yS-e .) Pa
B: It r-r '-i t -" a public schoo4 we call4in England but it was
actually S k wasn't 'AIVSl~ a public schoolel meanjyou have
to pay to go there.
K: Right.
B: It was bo Sding school and it KaIlwtook people from all over the
British empireywe had boys from Africa,., India, B and ySS33SS Cey-
lon, everywhere. At that time Britain had a big empire.

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VLAnd ad we used to stay i there and d when vacation time came a-
round they used to take us to the seacoast in Devonshire .
fAh jhey had a place down there--a house, i-a we used to just sort
of go out on the sea--on the fiSi English channel you .l a and
just enjoy ourselves.
K: ,miwi. So aR-you remained in England for that entire period of time?
B: Right, right. But my parents would visit me now and then.
K: ''-i[. So pM~you finsihed the equivalent of American high school
in 4 England
B: Yes, *O maybegil a little further because 4 this CM school sys-
tem's a little different there.
K: 4when did you come back to the United States?
B: About&i8, I guess.
K: _I MBWr where did you go from there#a4
~. pu were too young to be in the war, of course, the First World War.
B: No, I wasn't in the First World War.

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BBOb ~ I worked at my father's office for a whilethe tried to
instruct me in journalism)but it wasn'4 for me.
~SD then I worked in a brokerage office for a while and I didn't like
that. And thenBlBEb the Depression came along.
a ~S in the Depression my cousin and I fbs came down to Florida--
bo--ok-Q CcF3
_al _ten miles of Gainesville and wEvwe HICf a farmAabout 300
acres and through# the Depression we lived there. is we had cows and
hogs and just sort of te&Atfe out the Depression. Then 6d the /ar
came along and we both went off to war and OD sold the place
- rI: was in the PacificjN0 southwest Pacific?"i-
K: dWeni did you go in. first of all?
B: lq42.
K: i Were you in the army or the navygl-&T
B: I was in the infantry.
i^d ^M^x^==--t LJC -rke/
the southwest Pacific Alie p X 40 d-t Guam and Phillipines,
Okinawa--all those places.
K: ISHQsl.S I understand you were wounded?
B: Yetla, I StBB;fSPgot a scar on my head[chuckle], it was lucky!
K: (iZTlbWhere were you when you weregte?
e r-fe- ^o yOU-4^1ttUUMkflu ?

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s r \ ya Is/al 2af j
B: Well)we were on am-sland,I, where tigl a corr-
.Lwe(/- k N
espondent there--,- i correspondent was killed.
:..,~. An
B: -I can't thin-Ernie--anyhow) he was with our divisionR
K: PRle? LE rjeir Tr loro yle
B: Right! He was with our company commander 4
K: Really?
B: Ye, 5a iSregimental commander when he was killed fil /47i, ] '
~ A ~tfik that was the island I was hit on.
^ ~Then I went tiBfi6Gat to a hospitalat h l I never saw
active duty)*not real duty,* C4 we went to an island
Acrfy Tic6 UW4 an anti-aircraft gun or something which was
g and. ue ^-4Kc 4Lbr!J h .3 C+1-hc
e@ a breeze afterAq\ SaBI guess I figured La e s didn't have
enough people to turn us loose. n
u (But I sAt out the rest of the warP0I got out early/cause
(Cgwthey did it on points,|
(l~ V d I'd been in a lot of....
K: Lot of combat areas?
B: YeB. I'd accumulated a lot of points so I was one of the high
teo \e-E actw' 1/
pointers)so I got out early -as soon as 3iEh.Day /
3~~so as

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K: r>saSD did you come back to Florida then?
B: Then I came back to Floridaek-h end
K: Wher actly*Ae -B had you and your brother farmed?
B: Ai Arredondo.
-outt ~refe we had 300 acres.
K: I =;=Z i 7 ib so you came back to the farm?
B: Q no,no, we didn't come back to the farm-A-we sold the farm when we
were overseas because <t it looked like we couldn't hold it and take
care of it and so on. SO we sold it. So I came back to the /niversity
then and went to school here for a couple of years.
K: *.- I.T --......In horticulture?
B: Horticulture, yea.
~ Ivs~i was in there a couple of years and QC3SSBin my spare timeCS
a I had a job 4 in the greenhouse.
K: I see, i.tte
B: 0 I don't know if you remember Mr. Watkins, John Watkins?
K: No, sure don't.
B: He was head of the place then the greenhouseu4he was a horticultural
r -~o S^
professor.So he spoke to meaf asked me/would I like to S take a
position there as lb:r ...i...... his assistant at that time. so
I did. SS I carried on with the school for abt a couple of yearss
\I quit school anddBSW worked full-time there.

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K: 4a99c. Were there only the two of you working there at that time?
B: Oh, no --
~"IIt was the whole department.
K:. Nn, Nm N
B : -
I' .,iBB.-?.xsa^-mwe ll, x;gBEMevery professor in horticulture had a
course of somethingtOS
IO( n d j0 they would use the greenhouses as their lab.
to ~ra3B$3aRf I had o half a dozen students who By I had to keep busy
and 1SS2tStb they always had some experiments they were setting up
and things like that CgBP It was my job to sort of betbetween a0
the professors and keep CAt~pkeep their classes going OE their
projects,._Unll :Lii- I had to keep the men employ-
ed.dcaB-Pwe had a beautiful garden that olostook a lot of time.
Pr'pAnd we had the Wilmot Garden....
K: WhereegSdi% is this garden that you just referred tog tNJ64 ?
B: Wilmont Gardens just below theah do you know where the greenhouses
are situated on the campus? -.- ,.
plT1*-EHw.andffiHrfrcedfpt r ) rAdiTp

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9 On Archer Road?
rWell Fdt there's a residence there'Dr. Hume built that residence
for me thirty years qgoj I guess it was.
' Andaq M the Wilmot Garden was a camellia garden)which Imm
the growers in Florida donated to the University i' ,l t m*
and they maintained it.
G IS those were sort of exhibition gardens.
lAihc --r
K: NR was that in the same area tiMtm those greenhouses are now w ?
B: Yes! Right, it was about a four-acre piece right in there.
____________re hee trh
K: a=B I see. Now isi\thebsfY~Ce area where therre walks
through there.-?
B: Yes, that's the place.
.K..T:: 'I Ut 'La
4 'EDSS1SSwthat's the Wilmot Garden.
K: 6t_ ~ tSo that's been here ever
since you came khm to the University?
B: Well, aS3 they built it after I came. I helped build it. That was ft
John WatkinsSproject. HeE was the main say in that but >fS I
assisted him.

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K: 4israeaWn let me get the chronology straight; You came back at the
end of the war and you went to school for about two years ?
B: YeAi, yeAl.
K: So, it would have been about I47 that you started working in the
B: Could have been (46 or147..-
K: NB6c4aBB> how long did Mr. Watkins remain the head of tbiatr?
B: efs Sei he was there for many years. He retired about maybe eight
years ago _g )e was one of the old-timers around here.
__ Slani= 4. .. .....,-.,... kI....e...... |bet
3i h~gg~arrlicau^dqoyou remember Dr. Wolf? bl
K: I was going to ask you about him. I don't know any of these people6*
B: Well, Dr. lA
B: Well, Dr. Wolf. was head of the department then->
K: Of horticulture?
B: Right.
K: What kind of a man was he?
B: He was a pleasant mann,-he was a musically inclinedi I think he used
to play for the symphony e-o ieit4&g in town, Ct Ac he was a very
good & professorjI think. As far as I know.

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_i_ _e_ v_ ery good.
K: Did he know his field?
B: Oh, yes.
K: ;A L Mplants?
B: Yes.
> And he collaborated on a couple of books with John 0At$ ^ e
dEXM books about Florida plants
tp And di landscaping and 4" eir ell *
K: brt when you started out as a student and you were taking classes
did you have any classes that met in the classroomAP
B: Oh, yes!
K: 4 bP0 SeJ T+ in the greenhousesere would those have been
In0U Hall?
B: e- Hall most of them, yeS.
eJ % lot of them were.
K: Were any of them in Newell?
B: Yes. %Si3oI'm trying to think of them--I think most of them were in

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Rolfso R t W
Boi gFLh Famp and Newell.
K: ~-EfsrU 5sAf of course you also had coursesQfB working in the green-
houses a-ta"teZt2" when you started?
B: E yeac Well, fth I got mostlf the greenhouses se
rb 'utk o505s.o s 50vt otf just bl around there
and B working with it. But ah we had asISSS courses at schoolj
FaHm. plant .-all those sort of things-I took egi through
the college.
K: NSMWf How many people roughly o did you haves in your classes
when you started out as a St AC tl ?
B: Well, 4d this was around the time right after World War II. d there
were big classes that time--some of then c were 'and sixty lUP ilXi .
K: Really?
B: Ye^b.
a 'WdAnd Wyou had to have two sessions.
K: Was there any specialization that was available to you asAstudent
within horticulture? In other words, could you uh specialize say)in
B: Yes, you could do
v 92<tifke you have now--V all sorts of Z t I-A--J t
K: aeSs I think it was in the late 1950s that they broke horti-
culture up into several different departments. Did that have much effect

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at all on your own job '
v bw~n the greenhouse?
B: No.
K: Usiai imbtshave there been other greenhouse areas on campus other
than the ones that we've been referring to.^?
B: Our old greenhouses went over to the plant and grounds.)
\4Theyey9SEmoved thembodily -
\ \fcad ^there are other greenhouses that Wrthey have-an orchid '_
greenhouse up -g-pT:_ m-m. where old poultry place used to be
on Newell,4a4.Lai o i rw X0r Japanese
man,I think, a professor~s had a lot of orchids in there.
('A collection.I can't think of his nameMAI believe it was a Japanese
man,Ad he had a big greenhouse there full of orchidsdDI don't know
what they use it for now but a the greenhouse is still there.
K: Were there any on the north or the east side of campus thati been
Nore built up that have had to bea removed?
B: MA we used to be originally) right out by that towera. .-1r1 mNnq
. tiCe _-C the hat is it?
%W ;

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K: Century Tower?
B: Right. Our greenhouse used to be there.
K: Right there?
B: And then we moved over to the present siteaandfdtI the plant and
grounds took some of those buildings and moved them to easenW
site \
0l&^ o Xmay 'D use them.
K: OB6you were right next to the auditorium?
B: Right! That's it.
K: When ys they h move4 those? esaci r ound 1950
something like that?
B: l. ijt's going to be a real guess buts
v 'I. guess it could have been somewhere around then.
K: What was the degree that you *l started out to obtain
when you were a student?
B: Well I came back on the G.I. Bill of Rights.
O&clketsiA A Ats ces reC-
K: hBhtWk. Was itbl~BgK a S!f. iit4that you were working for or
a Bachelor of Science ?
B: Well, Aqt probably a ?.A. But I didn't pursue it.
K: Uh Iml- u h i. Did you have an opportunity to meet Dr. 4BWil;
bert Floyd?

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B: I don't rememberhim.
K: "Wo he was a very old UP scientist and had been in horticulture
4 j. c l erAd 4Zo ri;
I think. 1llJ i .did you know Dr.Stout? '
B: Yes. Very wello^ i
R \ Hlie's still in town.
K: What did he teach?
B: ~e vegetable culture.
K: ^pS. Did you ever have any lasses with him?
B: *Q4lasS4flC: I think I took a vegetable
course with him or something. _
K: Was he a pretty good teacher?
B: Yes, very good.
_o: ...eH am-,-:: yu know where they put the new
steam plant up?
K: a ,
B: hCM up in that area*here was a big lot of ground
that's now a parking lottwd they used to have a vegetable garden
there and he taught classes *r" a on vegetables.
K: I see. Did you know a man named CharlesAbbott ?
B: Yes, Charlie Abbott. He l -f JJ- -used to teach grafting
and things like that. s

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Page/ 1McKenzie
dyeAnd citrus.
K: irfo, How long was he here?
B: Well he was here when I came here.
r He tie.l^ was rather oldjI think.
K: mJohn Watkinsaelta still alive?
B: Yes, he lives at Bradentonr b4e's retired and 9_r
^rmitk he's in 4lae M3fy5A;4-
I think he's in r-- retirement home or something. You
know, a very nice place where they give him all the services4bis
wife died, know, and they just take care of him.,_
K: ~ L ,.L 1
_ *w hat was 8 his specialization in his teaching?
B: p-lant propogation and gnursery work.
i IcncdqR things related to it.
w e -Ze.,
K: CM the faculty in horticulture and those of you who worked
in the greenhous5es q _W called on to_ travel to se *^

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do extension work |
* Aith growers or _r farmers in Florida?
B: I didn't do that much but I did occasionally visit
IF webr s we'd swap ideas 'b*S~b often on <c set-ups in the nur-
F C2-5l
sery6 like au they'ropogate with mist an- yL- ~ 1y o u know
what that mist device is?
K: ai- ye5 a (I)
B: Well, they had different types of _C__ and things and
sometimes we "e around to different places and see -S the
latest things they'd developed and 4W8 they would get/from us and
it was sort of Ogan inter-flow between usi often we'd come up with
something A they could use and sometimes they would come up with
something we could use.
K: So it was more an exchange of informationsm
@ v V fl FA h~Jextension works d4U>1 Ir oth eer- w sm--o
B: Mostly they came to us -
c But kaema at the same time--sometimes some practical
would come up which we could use.
^ ^a^Seth e Siadd~g|p' ^ uisuallyd they would
M5 ~~_

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develop something at the university-some idea,Asome thing or spray
or other and ( they would _i out or they'd introduce a plant
or something like this
v <sra and pass it on to the nurseries. 'f-r-m ostly ass it o
to them t at the same time occasionally we would pack up some-
thing worthwhileA) in a practical way.
_ /*^*poplE
K: wtfl -ml*BPwhat was the ilationship between/ism in the greenhouses
and -the people in plants and grounds as far ase
a a&rgiving them <amplants for the campus?
B: Right! All our surplus usually would go to themlao they would use
it in them landscaping of the h grounds.
?rrc f ~rh% .d.. ~r1,,1 m hir- ~l'tkee at Christmas there'd be lots
of poinsettf plants and things.wellj naturally the staff around
would get -
TSS1ana3 nice plant or lots of plants, whatever. But ^WIC-the general
{.< aw4d -Xefrc K were bet
5Ufp A) ai e-c lots cause tW they'd have gpan experiment
which might involve fi _-_red plants. Well, when it was over
thered be five hundred nice plants which we didn't need or couldn't
find space for so we'd use them by passing them on to the plant

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and grounds.
i% A0c they would use them,.h there was always new building going on
and they would use it in landscaping
K: Did you ever have a need to hire student help40lF ll t OUS
B: Yes! D
~+ in tE_ ~~-~eL*.
=BE> < I'd say we hade average, six to eight most of the time.
K: WereamdL they paid through the department?
B: Mbtthey were rslBFput on the regular payroll.
K: tiirftB Do you know how those student btained those jobs? D_'ftiijS-
B: Well, *b a lot of them wereeaaS horticulture students
~( ^aand they had first preference because 4 was practical work
for them.
K: Right. ItoX was almost an internshipIFi- ikeA. "
B: Right. Exactly.
K: i hL=:. .. ims '-'ev how long)exactly did you work for the De-
partment of Horticulture?
B: I worked there all the time I was here. From about(147 'till 6 I
K: _'a'_ when you retired how many people-efull-time people
were working with you}/i the greenhouses?
B: Maybe sixVaCB and -then we would have students too.

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K: b DJ ti- I knr:our i-in working with the students, obviously
you were teaching them but did you ever have the opportunity to
teach a formal class?
B: Well, I would Ad do certain thingseBl sometimes I'd have a
demonstration-how toplant seeds
B _e=Sema I would show them the procedure and things like that and 4-t
I've given vw-j-iba ois budding plants or somethingw-I.t -eaI-a
A*mtr on that order. Just things that b they could pick up easily.
K: IlB When you were a student did you have to pay an extra fee out-
side of your tuition Q to cover the cost of the materials used in
your prweraci4 ork
En. O
B: Well, the G.I. Bill took care of just about everything.
K: You don't remember if there was i a separate fee other than your
tuition that was charged back then?
B: No, I don't remember that.
K: Now after you retired how did you _sema w3 decidift to work in
the museum? OL
B: Well, ft I worked -iethe house for awhile and oftdM I played a
lot of tennis and n the garden and all that but
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a-+ soa l I saw an ad in thaaper one day that said the
museum was looking for volunteersaFd they said what kind of thing (wot4
it was andjsounded interesting so I came and I've been here for--it WMil
be three years _. in January.
K: How would you describe your job upstairs? Exactly what work J /
B: Ull1, fB I do anything.A for the last several months L they've
been taking those drawers out of the4C
K: Object ?lnS
B: Right. And b re-doing them andcp I've been doing that for quite a
while no.b_ right now S -were working on a
lot of cowrie shells n L:-n -Beng and all kinds
of thingsb amr that's what I have been doing the last few months.
K: Did you work on the Florida cave?
B: tg1Uo, I didn't but I worked in the uh c a .i _
K: In the hammock?
B: Ye, ^hammock.
)- nd--~d helped a lot with that.
K: I understand you made all of the leaves?
B: ~ I didn't make all of them but I probably made as many as anybody
K: gbcould you describe the process involved in that? How did you
go about making the leaves?

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B: Well, first they have Cgan impression of the leaf madej
-^n theywou ld -+ _with a
then they w put 4ak on a machine iece of lastic
which would stamp out the veins and everything. -
1)w~ThengQ M -2 m r0after the plastic was impressed they'd have
to be cut out with 0te scissors, *mf__sM Then they were painted
a#i wwired to aB stem9s lot of them were wrapped 4^A
if it was a thicker branch 'a-11' L._....
W~tP-M .--l- -.a-,you put the wax on with a brush.
ab>-imp some of the big trees in the which are quite large~ the bark on
those was made U *a R They wrapped it with
.orecf rubber stuff in order to get the impression of it and *f
*u i-M IP it came out perfectly-looked just like sweet gum, OV
OtZ-L t/ whatever it was.
K: It's h very impressiveX W there much danger of fire with the mat-
erials they have worked with?
B: 4 no nothing special I don't think.
K: X iwIt must have been a very time-consuming job. How long Pemulb
would you say it tookt1 toC l do the trees and the leaves and the
plants like that?
B: Oh, it took months.

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K: Months and months?
B: Yeah. Wrmmawas a long-time job.
K: Do you have any idea what they're going to put you to work on after
the object gallery is done?
B: Well, that's somethingT Sjust now. Bthey're out of
Gand the job that I've been doing is 0practically
washed up)so I thought I'd ask this --I saw somebody down here at
one time.* i
K: s&ev fratj/ S
B: Yeah, maybe I could help him for awhile or something-float back
and forth or whatever. .-i q hen I finishi talking to you
I thought I'd just mention it because several times I go up there
and il for one reason or another they're slow andAnot much to do
and (L i as houK I3d
_andJ__ __SI__ _ickaro __d fora but in as- 3 just as soon
and~ .laf a~j Aou~"Af .
work there half a day, -" 7kAi7m T7 f Xe LUyiTf l5 a
K: Okay. Well, that's basically all the question I wanted to ask you.
Is there anything that you'd like to add about the time you worked
at the University of Florida? Anyone who you feel has been J** great
significance in the horticulture department as far as an especially
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already? w
B: Dr. A jiehead at one time49 ~ __PrwlA ~whe was a
wonderful manef Md c-Professor Watkins M was fre mOt
in his -
3P t4gM ost of them were very good but those were the two that
ZI had most contact with.
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K: Generally competent people,.tt=3E-
B: Oh, yes!
K: i___ r1ed- i t one more thing now.mwhat was the
story behind Othe building of that home there? You said
that Dr. Hume had a hand- If+-
B: Right.
^) Well, S when I first came to work for the University 0 they saidj
~4 weld like you to be over herei- lose to the place and so on and
so forth* AB Dr. Hume said A I'll show you several plans:and you
can pick one you like.
3 soCP that was theway that came out.
K: CB they felt that ;/it was important that you should be on handram
" ye:
B: Well, 1i I was on hand--t all the time!
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that house was built?
B: No, I had a house of my own.
K: I see. Well, let's stop noN;w -.dlggll