Interview with Bobbie Hunter, November 2, 1980

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Interview with Bobbie Hunter, November 2, 1980
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SUB: Bobbie Hunter

INT: "Button Project"

PLACE: Eatonville

Nov. 2, 1980


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B: The first group of questions here are asked to find out how well the Voting Rights

Act of 1965 has helped blacks take part in Florida politics. What year did you

first register to vote in?

H: O- kl( 'S 6e-6n uei io mwe I think it was'60, probably around

'60 anyway, here in Florida.

B: Okay, what year were you first eligible to vote?

H: Eighteen, at the age of, so that'll be er, that'll be '52.

B: Okay, how long have you lived in Eatonville?

H: I've lived in Eatonville approximatelyO years.

B: Where'd you live before that?

H: I was in the military, Air Force.

B: Okay, did local registrars ever turn you down when you applied to register?

H: No.

B: Have voter registration drives been held in Eatonville?

H: Yes.

B: When were these drives in?

H: Well)we have a group here now that's not only for the municipality of Eatonville,

but getting peoples out who are registered to vote throughout the ph

president's election, and to register to vote. And I think it's been real helpful,

and we've had a lot of people to turn out to vote. And we got a lot of 'em regis-

tered that normally wasn't, I'll say at least )per cent of the people now in

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H: Eatonville that were not registered voter has 4 register.

B: OkayAthis is in the last year?

H: I'll say within the last four years.

B: Last four years, Vere there any drives before that?

H: I'm quite sure there were. I 4mi right in Eatonville in that particular time

because I was in the military, and I came back here in !72. So I'm quite sure

there were, now how effective they was I don't know.

B: At right, were there any uh major5 organizations involved in these drives?

H: No, just the citizens themselves.

B: Okay, any local groups?

H: We have one of the local groups we call the Citizens for Better Government, which

is headed by I believe Miss Filmore, that's one of the workers around here.

B: Are there any things which prevent blacks or)well Eatonville is all blacks, so are

there, are there any things which prevent people in Eatonville from registering

to vote?

H: None that I know of.
B: Okay, these are, we have a list of factorsAthat have traditionally in studies

been found to prevent people from registering to vote, particularly to prevent

blacks from registering to vote. Now while Eatonville doesn't have any whites

in it, many people do work outside the town. Therefore, wouldArate these factors

as being very important, fairly important, or not important in preventing blacks

from registering? The first being economic dependance on whites, do you think

this has been important?

H: In keeping them from registering?

B: Yes.

H; No, I don't think so.

B: Okay, what about fear of physical violence from whites?

H: No) Jov'- d -AV( K o.

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B: What about complicated registration forms?

H: For some of the 'el I' citizen I believe this would be a problem for their

educational background. But uh as complication in the form, uh here in Eatonville

we do have people to assist them and to help them understand what they are doing

to register, so I don't think that's a problem.

B: So you would say that that is?

H: No, I don't think it's a problem.

B: Okay, what about poor registration hours, hours that are set up so that the

hours are held when people are working or something jke- +6?_i.

H: Well this could be4hamper4 there within itself because as you know, just like

you say)the majority of the people in Eatonville are working out of town, and our

I think the, well our city hall is open from eight to five. Most of the people

have gone to work before, and uh before it's open, and get back home after it's

closed. But I do think that, I don't know if this could be considered a major

problem there, because I feel that if anyone who wanted to bad enough they could

really get out and sacrifice a little time to register.

B: So you would say that this is not important, fairly important?

H: No, I would say fairly, I wouldn't solely say it's important.

B: What about registration not being held often enough?

H: I can't, I don't quite remember the dates now which the books are open, but uh

this could be a problem. I, I would be, I wouldn't dare say 4S tsa;ia"
important because I do think they have ample time to register. Gf- ~ I do

think the books are open.

B: So is that fairly important or not important?

H: No, I don't think it's important.

B: Okay, what about indifference of blacks to voting, in other words they have the
feeling that uh what good is it going to do them to vote, what difference will

it make?

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H: Well you do have some that think that in this term, but I would say the majority

of the registered Voters doesn't feel that way, so I don't think that's important.

B: What about the people who aren't registered to vote, would they be less likely to

go down and vote because of this, and if so how important would this be?
H: Well in talking**s some of the people that are not registered that I have

talked to during the past two years I believe, there have been some that would,

has a negative attitude towardsAsay, my vote is not going to count. So I try to
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tell 'em you know, well maybe that one vote that you do cast wM be the deciding

factor, but neverthelesssome do have a negative attitude, and they just won't
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vote, won't register rather, because4they's they say well I've gone this far,

or this long without registering, why do it now? Some do have that attitude.
B: How oftenAreregistration required?
H: I'm pretty sure.ay, well) my understanding is that so long as you vote in a major

election,Ayour voting registration stays active.

B: Does dis-, oh we don't have to worry about that here, were you able to campaign
freely, that is during 'e campaignwere you threatened in any way?

H: No.

B: How many times did you run?

H: Once.

B: Once, and you are now serving?

H: Yes.

B: Okay. Um were you handicapped by a lack of campaign money?
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H: Well this is a small neighborhood here, andf *iethe city of Eatonville is concerned,

aro everyone just about know each other, so as far as campaign money is concerned, this

is, wasn't an at all.

B: Okay, Jl how much did you spend in your campaign?

H: Really to tell you the truth I didn't spend anything. I did have some friends that

we all chipped in and had a party or celebration afterAf #, but as far as uh, well

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H: let me take that back, I think it wasA$4 to have some brochures printed, uh

flyers. I believe that's what they spent on it.
B: Why did you decide to run for office?

H: Well I had a lot of my uh friends and neighbors wanted me to run, because of the,

our government was almost in chaos. We did have a little conflict here with the d)h,

between the mayor and some of the city officials, and most of the citizens felt

that the bickering that was going on would not help the town, nd-which it did

not help the town. The, they never could get anything really done or passed

because of uh, there were certain people that had the majority votes on there,

and they was pretty close together, And they was after one man in particular

the mayor. So the people just had got tired of this type of uh bickering among

the city council.

B: Okay. Which political party do you belong to?

H: Democrat.

B: What were, when you ran, what were the two or three most important issues that
you stressed in your campaign?

H: One was the uh. . issue was on our sanitation department. We, we did not have,

the people were not getting what they really was paying for in sanitation-wise,

picking up their garbage, trash etc. This was one of the big issues there. And
of course)just like you say this is a small town and everyone knew the bickering

that was going on so that didn't need to stressed there at all. And better gov-

ernment for the peoplejn Deciding what was right for them and to help Eatonville

to move along economy-wise.

B: Do you think these issues were the biggest problems facing the people in Eatonville?
H: Yes.

B: Okay, ds e elected at large, right?

H: Yes.

B: How many people are in Eatonville?l

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B: What percentage of the people of voting age in Eatonville are registered to vote?

H: I would say pretty close to()percent of them.

B: And what percentage of those who are registered to vote do you estimate actually

voted when you were elected?
H: I would say(oper cent.

B: Okay. um, in your, in the election, in the campaign, how many opponents did you


H: One.

B: What percentage of the total vote did you get?

H: I would say 9per cent.

B: That's quite a percentage. What ways do you think that you have been able to help
the people in Eatonville by holding office, what sort of things have you been able
to do?

H: Well I've uh, like I stated in my campaign speech, was to get them better service

in the sanitation department, and there's been uh things that were. .1 astwere
supposed to be passed,that we had issue hwe on and4far as the city government was
concernedAgetting money into the community, getting grants) efcetera, we had a staff,
we formed a staff to do that and also with the recreation department. There were

a good tennis program in recreation, and we established the summer food program,
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that the uh, we had aid from the uh, .,aser6TA-r-nt C TA the peoples~s w -:

ocf of CETA and some of the other organization there. And we had, we are
now upgrading our water system in Eatonville, 'cause the sewer system was in before
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I took office.A Oh one thing that I did do was uh, whether it helped them or not,

it did cut down down on our, on our expenditures was going to curbside pickup for

the garbage department.

B: What, if anything, has prevented you from doing a better job?

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H: The only thing that has prevented us from doing a better job is the lack of revenue,
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B:0,(We have a list of factors here which have in the past prevented elected officials
from doing a better job. And I'd like you to rate these each as to whether or

not it's very important, fairly important, or not important in preventing you

from doing your job. The first factor is that the office has no real authority,

in other words that you're just a figurehead and it looks good but you really

can't do anything.

H: That's not important.

B: Okay, what about, you said not enough revenue available was important, would you

say it's very important, or fairly important?

H: Very important.

B: Was being unfamiliar with your administrative duties important in this?
H: Uh, would you, uh. .

B: Important in preventing, in preventing-you from doing your job?

H: I would say uh, I would have to rate that wpih h, m im oh in between there as

fairly important.

B: What about lack of cooperation from whites in the area, in the towns surrounding
yours, something of that nature?

H: No, I don't think that's important.

B: Lack of cooperation from the people here in Eatonville, has this been a . ?

H: This is very important. We don't have the cooperation that we really need as

far as the citizen's participation is concerned, if that's what you mean.
B: Um hum.

H: So I would say that's very important.

B: And what about lack of cooperation from state officials?

H: I'll rate that fairly important.

B: And finally)lack of cooperation from federal officials?

H: I would say fairly important on that becausethe reason why I'm saying fairly

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H: important, because uh there are some grants and some other things that we could

get here that we are not, don't have the personnel right now to seek these things

out for us. I think that as far as the federal is concerned, because we do get

information, but uh they should, I do believe that they should make known all

the grants or loans or whatever that can be helpful to Eatonville. I think

that's what we are lacking therepcommunicationnWise.

B: You mentioned that lack of support from the citizens has hindered you a little

bit in holding office. Can you give us some specific examples of how this

criticism has prevented you from doing a better job, or how this lack of support

is. . ?

H: I wouldn't say it prevented me from doing a better job, Jt sure would help the
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comVwmVwA AnA a if we had more citizens participating in our council meeting, come up

and let us know what they want. We'll make a decision here, and they'll only be

five or six people out there. And instead of them coming forward and letting us know,

even though that the decision rests upon our judgement, but we would like to

know that this is what they want.

B: When you go to conferences or when you apply for grants, or have dealings with

white officials, do you think that they treat you differently from other officials

because you are black? Do they see you as a spokesman for blacks- d racial


H; Well that'd be very hard for me to kind of answer that because there have been

very few meetings 4g I've been to, been able to attend, because as you know this

is not a full time job here, and I do have a job with the state, and so this has

hindered me a lot from going tocia a lot of even the local meetings that they
have here.

B: What services, you mentionedAalready, but what services have you provided the

people in Eatonville that they didn't have before you took office?

H: There isn't any, I can't think of any right now that they didn't have. Maybe

it's been improved, but the service was already here, that we got so far.

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B: Which ones were you particularly . ?
H: I'm speaking of the uh, well I spoke of recreation It was here but we have
improved that. I spoke of upgrading our water system. We are now in the progress,

ir phases of doing that, and for the garbage, refuse desposal; that was here, but
it has been uh, I think the people now are getting what they are paying for. And
alsoAftithe reading ofAwater meters and things, t think they're, you're going
to get people griping regardless, You're not going to be able to please everyone,

but I think they're more satisfied now to know that the meters have, the meters

that was broken has been fixed, and they're not getting flat-rated, most of the
people are not getting flat-rated now.

B: Okay, could you please rate how effective you think you've been in each of the
following service areas; very effective, somewhat effective, or not effective.

The first area is police protection.

H: I think we've been very effective.
B: What specifically have you been able to do?
H: Well uh, when you speak of police protection, we have/I forget how many are on
our staff right now, 'cause we had to cut back ~nf our budget, so uh, but we do
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have trained policeman here, which the state requires nowAt have went through a

police academy. And uh well we uh,Acommunication that we have now in a city,
communication, and they have cars, which is very helpful for them, and which
they can at any given time that something is probably too much for the policeman

on duty, he can always get in touch with the other cities to render help. So this

is very good.
B: Okay, in the area of streets and roads, how effective have you been?
H: Well that's one of our major problems.A I'd sayf )percent of our streets are

dirt roads here in Eatonville. Of course we did start a, we did have a company
that would come in and grade our streets, but 0 lack of fund now we 4lse to
cut that out, but we do have a grader now which we are hiring a man to grade

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H: our streets. But likeAsay the rainy season was in and most our streets were

torn up pretty bad, but I think with a little help with the grader we got now,

it's going to see a big change, and put in a little bit more drainage system, we

got a problem here too.

B: Okay, in the area of housing?

H: Well, as far as housing is concerned there's only a few houses been built in
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Eatonville recently. As you know most of our land, wellAi owned by the school

board, and this one of our reasons why we doesn't have fas-t growth of houses here

in Eatonville.

B: Okay, in the area of welfare, social services, uh say ppo t4 people- these

services or seeing to the provision of these services, how effective have you been?

H: Well I would say I haven't been effective in that at all, because the thing about
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it,\we did4 at one time we did have the Orange County was sending their bus out

here, and 'course I had told a lot people that the buses were there but whether

they went to sign up for these things I don't know. I didn't follow up on it.

B: Well this was a mobile welfare registrationfun m

H: Right, uh huh je5,
B: In the area of employment what have you been able to do, how effective?

H: I would say, . what was the middle one again?

B: Somewhat effective.
H: Somewhat effective in that. (talking together) We did have, well we had the SEEs

people, uh 'cause uh, and we also had uh I believe it was employees from the,

here in Eatonville at that time. We got other jobs on the city, but as I say,

here)lately our funds have been cut off so we did have to lay back some people.

But now we are getting a little bit out of the red, and we are hiring people back


B: You mentioned recreational facilities earlier, how effective do you think you've

been in the area of parks and recreation?

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H: I would say for the plan that we got fF, forwhat we have planned now, I say

very, very effective.

B: Very effective. In the area of health and hospitals, how effective do you think

you've been in provision of say ambulance service, or medical services?

H: I haven't been effective in that at all.

B: What about in the areas of water, sewage, and garbage?

H: Very effective.

B: And in the area of education?

H: Somewhat effective.

B: What have you been able to do in that area?
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H: WellAwe do have the uh child uh day care down here for the,/Aou know,4kindergarten,

qnd of course lV~~4 b 4jon ) Ovl organization which we donated some money
to that, to the kindergarten.

B: What about in the area of fire protection?

H: WE've been, when I say we I'm speaking of the whole town nowwe've been very

effective in that, as far as fire protection i concerned.

B: End-reslt? AJd y e.. f

H: Yes, I'm a volunteer fireman.

B: Have you gotten federal funds in here now besides that, you mentioned the 'St5

and you have revenue sharing, right?

H: Um+um.

B: How much revenue sharing do you get?

H: I don't know that figure right off hand.

B: Could you list some of the more important federal grants, and maybe some of the


H: Not right off hand I couldn't, because uh .

B: Okay. Have you as a elected official orapart of a local committee or anything like

that been able to bring any new business, retail outlets, or industry, or anything

like that into Eatonville?

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B: What is it used for?
H: Mostly it's used to uh support the town, I would say, in the employment etc. and
also the upkeep of our fire station, of which we have volunteer fireman at that

particular time, sa+a&ry for the employees.
B: Have there been any black protests or sit-ins, boycotts, or riots here in
Eatonville in the last say ten years?
H: None that I know of.
B: Okay, the following group of questions are asked just to get a general assessment
of black politics in Florida in general. What is your opinion of( o) Askew?
H: Well, I voted for him so I do have a high 44 ,,, respect for him.
B: Has he done anything in particular that's impressed you?
H: Well there's numbers of things that he's done that has been impressive to me,

an just right off the cuff right now, I can't just 4 go back and sum c n u.
B: Are there any other state officials, members of the state legislature or congressman

that have particularly impressed you?

H; Oneis my very favorite which is,) W'ee in cfe"elt pcarics and that's uh,
Congressman Frey, Lou Frey.
B: This is sort of the key question here; do you think that winning and holding office
here in Eatonville has been worth the effort?
H: Yes, definitely.
B: Why do you think so?
H: Well because, for one, isr one thingwe have improved on our staff the council, in

getting the town headed back in the right direction. What I mean by the right

direction, instead of a lot of the bickering that was going on, and getting back
to the city business, tending to the city business instead of just being uh, trying
to more or less upseat oneman. So I think by me being elected that we have, we

got more peace and harmony now among the council members, and also we have more
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time to really lookAat Eatonville as a whole and see what can we do to embetter

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H: No.
B: Have there been efforts to do this?
H: Well, yes. I've uh, I didn't quite follow it up because I, the people that I

talked to at that particular time said that, well the land use here is, we don't

have in order to do this, and uh I talked to one of the salesman for Mobile Gas Jnd

At that time they ed not build a new stations or any stations anywhere, so I
quite follow up on that one.

B: Have there been any new businesses open up?

H: Well there've been businesses open up with the existing uh,- gette-5ay with the

existing . buildings that were here. We have the uh, the fish hut, is a new

business that opened up, they sell fish, fish market. And the Johnson, well we
have the laundrymat, it's a new building, another store. I would say about oh

two, oh let's just say new owners. The only new business would, I would say, would

be the fish but and the laundrymat.

B: How long ago did the fish hut open up?
H: I would say about a year, about a year or so ago.

B: Have you been able to see that the city hiring practices are fair, they're just
based on qualifications and . ?

H: Qualifications is the major, the major issue in the cities.

B: Have you had anything with cityApracticing practices at all, have you done anything
about . .?

H: Well, yes, when I first wasAon the, came on the co~-v l- e boare,

and as far as the hiring of sanitation workers, and also some of the employees

in the city of Eatonville. I've interviewed some, and we based it on experience,

B: How has federal revenue sharing helped you in Eatonville?

H: Well, as you know we don't have a great deal of revenue of our own coming in, and

so this has helped it tremendously.

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B: These questions now are asked to compile just an overall group profile of black

elected officials in Florida. No individual answers are going to be reported, we

just want to have a composite. Now you're a commissioner, you're not a district
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or anything like that.A O they no longer have titles like streets commissioneroor

anything like that?

H: No.

B: Okay, you were first elected in ?
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H: May of 7' no I'm sorry, May of '74, '74.

B: And you took office that month?

H; Yes. I said May, I'm sorry it's March.
B: mw for office one time?

H: Yes.

B: Do you mind my asking your age?

H: No, not at all, I'm .
B: -A.3.klL-4 What is your occupation before you were elected and now, what is your


H: Okay before I was elected I was in the military as an aerial photography, in the
Air Force. I'm retired Air Force,(2)years. My occupation in now is the, I'm an

investigator for Florida Construction Industry Licensing Board, for the state of

B: What's the level of your education?

H: I finished the eleventh grade. I have a GED.

H: Yes.
B: What's, what's . .?

H: It's a test that is taken in the Air Force to give me a high school uh .

B: Equivalent?

H: Equivalency ta high school education.

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B: What is the salary that you get from your elected position?
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H:A- 0-a month.
B: Were you active in the civil rights movement of the early sixities?

H: No. Let me ask you this, what you mean by active, did I take part in it?
B: Did you take part in any of it, did you support it, did you ever go out f and

talk to people about it?

H: No I didn't but I fully supported it by being a member of the NAACP.

B: Are you, what church do you belong to?
H: Methodist, St. Lawrence Church.

B: That's your home town right?
H: Um hum.

B: Are you an official in the church?
H: No, not now. I have been.
B: What were you?

H: I had about five or six titles. First of all I was the uh, I was on the trustee

board, the secretary of trustee board, president of board and

the church recorder and reporter.
B: Okay, that's quite a list. Are there any other community organizations or

activities that you're involved in? Are you still in the NAACP?

H: Well there's other community, if you're speaking of any other organizations, is

this what you're asking me?
B: Yeah, and then also on the local level, are there any that you are . ?
H: Yes, well I1m a member of the uhV \A~iiayn EVr Lodge no. 32, which I'm the

\or+hb Vl/aeSer of, this is masonic. I'm a member of the Royal Arts,
which is the, in Winter Park, |this is also masonic. The Shriners, the

4 which is q 32nd degree mason, and uh .
B: You have, you're, you're a 32nd degree mason?

H: Yes. And I'm just recently joined the Toastmaster's,AA#d the Pathfinders at the

Naval Base.

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B: What was your father's occupation?
H: My father was:the foreman of Je city ice company in Lawrence, South Carolina.

B: What effects have running for, are you married?

H: Yestye.

B: Do you have children?

H: Yes.

B: What effects have running for and holding office had on you and your family, and

your family life, and your social life?

H: Well I would say that as far as the kids are concerned, it's been very inspiring

.Z' them. ButAit also has the hamper of, along with the other organizations that

I'm with or in, I do be away from home quite a lot. So this do have a little

effect but not that, not that much.

B: What other organization now specifically are you referring to?

H: Well my iasonic . .

B: Right. Okay, let me see, there's one more thing. What do you think is the biggest

detriment to blacks gaining political power in the state of Florida the biggest

factor that would not allow them to do this?
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H: I really can't think of any, not really. Because my beliefAit in, if he's qual-

ified;Aqualification isAone I would say qualification. And of course at uh, well
getting the blacks to support him, getting behind him and supporting him, and I

believe he could run for any office in the state of Florida and become elected to

that office.

B: What about detriments say to, as opposed to an individual man running, as opposed

to blacks in general gaining more political power, having more clout?
H: You're not speaking, you said not individual . .
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B:A Yeah, the black people in general in Florida. What do you think, do you think there

are any things that tend to keep them from exerting more political power, and

getting more policy favorable to their specific and special needs passed?

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H: I can't think of any.
B: Okay. At the University of Florida we have a thing called the Oral History Project.
What this project doesis they take tapes of people around the state, and they
transcribe them and keep them in the archives for scholars and professors to go
look at tha-Att e doing research studies. They're not a matter of public

record or anything like that. In many cases the black elected officials that
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we're talking toAare the first ones elected since reconstruction after the Civil

War. In other cases they're just first ones interviewed in those areas. The
Oral History Project has expressed an interest in, after we are through with the

tapes, they would like to take them and transcribe them. After.this)what they'll
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do;is they'll send you a copy of the transcript, and you can edit itoyou can

change it, you can add to it, you can take things out. And then they'd like you

to release it, you can not, you can decide at that time, you can say, no I don't

want to release it, I t tapes are erased and the whole thing is

forgotten. You can say, yes I want to release it, or you can say, I'll release
part of it to be put in the archives. Would you have any objection# to having
a transcript made, and having it sent to you for your approval?
H: No.

B: Do you think you'd have any objection to releasing part of it or ?
H: No, I don't think INAhave any objections.
B: Okay, thank you very much.

H: Okay.


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FB49ASUB:BobbieHunterINT:IIButtonProjectllPLACE:EatonvilleNov.2,1980JFPage1B:Thefirstgroupofquestions hereareasked to find outhowwell the Voting Rights Actof1965hashelped blacks takepartin Floridapolitics.Whatyear didyouH:Iwasinthemilitary,Air Force.B:Okay,did localregistrarsever turnyoudownwhenyouapplied toregister?H:No.B:Havevoterregistrationdrivesbeenheld in Eatonville?H:Yes.B:Whenwerethese drives in?H:Well)wehavea group herenowthat'snot onlyforthe municipality of Eatonville, butgettingpeoples out 'who areregisteredto vote the -!lb.TJ--president'selection,andtoregisterto vote.AndI thinkitlsbeenreal helpful,andwe'vehadalotofpeople to turn outtovote.Andwegot alotof'emregisteredthatnormally wasn't, 1111sayat cent of the peoplenowin


FB49A2H: thatwerenot registered,voter;has'" register. aM1i'11?1'" B:Okay"thisisin thelastyear?H:I'llsay within thelastfour years.B:Last fouryears. thereanydrives before that? ;:;;.wOIol.l6n+lth}tl01' H:I'mquitesure there were. I UIS.'i/\ rightin Eatonville inthatparticulartime\because Iwasin themilitary,andIcamebackhere in SoI'm quite sure there were,nowhoweffectivetheywasIdon'tknow.B: werethereanyuh maj05 organizations involved in these drives?H:No,justthecitizensthemselves.B:Okay,anylocal groups?H:Wehaveoneof the local groupswecallthe Citizens for BetterGovernment,whichisheadedby)I believ7MissFilmore,that'soneof the workers around here.B:Arethereanythingswhichprevent blacks o\)well Eatonvilleisallblacks,soarethere,are thereanythingswhichprevent people in Eatonvillefromregisteringto vote?NonethatIknowof.H:B: Okay,theseare,wehavealistof factorsAthat havetraditionallyin studiesbeenfoundto prevent peoplefromregisteringto vote,particularlyto prevent!blacksfromregisteringto vote.Now Eatonvilledoesn'thaveanywhites yov. init,manypeopledoworkoutside thetown.Therefore, wouldllrate thesefactorsas being very important,fairlyimportant, or not important in preventing blacksfromregistering?ThefirstbeingecJnomicdependanceonwhites,doyouthinkthishasbeenimportant?IH:Inkeepingthemfromregistering?B:Yes.H;No,Idon'tthink so.B:H:Okay,whataboutfearofphysical violencefromwhites? NO)!'SO, I. L


-------------FB49AB:Whatabout complicatedregistrationforms?3H:Forsomeof the el'der! Ibelievethiswouldbeaproblemfor their-'t' educational background.But uh in the form,uhhere in Eatonville .., wedohavepeople toassistthemandto helpthemunderstandwhatthey are doing toregister,soIdon'tthinkthat'sa problem.B:Soyouwouldsaythatthatis?H:No,Idon'tthinkit'sa problem.B:Okay,whatabout poorregistrationhours, hoursthataresetupsothatthe hours are heldwhenpeople are workingorsomething Jike-Q. H:Wellthiscould there withinitselfbecause asyouknow,justlike you say)the majority of the people in Eatonville areworkingoutoftown,andour I thinkthe,well ourcityhallisopenfromeightto five.Mostofthe peoplehavegonetoworkbefore,anduhbeforeit'sopen,andgetbackhomeafterit'sclosed.ButIdothinkthat,Idon'tknowifthiscouldbeconsidered a majorproblemthere,because I feelthatifanyonewhowantedtobadenoughthey couldreallyget outandsacrificealittletimetoregister.B:Soyouwouldsaythatthisisnot important,fairlyimportant?H:No,Iwouldsayfairly,I wouldn'tsolelysayit'simportant.B:Whataboutregistrationnot being held oftenenough?H:Ican't,Idon'tquiterememberthe datesnowwhichthebooksare open, butuh itkt '+' IS,oS(1.,1 thiscouldbea problem.I,Iwouldbe, I wouldn't dare say ;S\fAir?So) important because Idothink theyhaveampletime toregister. Qf Idothink thebooksare open.B:Soisthatfairlyimportant or not important?H:No,Idon'tthinkit'simportant.B:Okay,whatabout indifference of blacks to other word:;the y havethe feelingthatuhwhatgoodisitgoingtodothemto vote,whatdifference willitmake?


B:H:-----------------------------_.--FB49A4H:Wellyoudohavesomethatthinkthatinthisterm, but Iwouldsay the majority of the registered doesn't feelthatway,soIdon'tthinkthat'simportant.B:Whatabout the peoplewhoaren'tregistered to vote,wouldtheybelesslikelytogodownandvote because ofthis,andifsohowimportantwould'thisbe? to H:Wellin someof the peoplethatare not registeredthatIhavetalked to during the pasttwoyears I believe, therehavebeensomethatwould, q hasa negativeattitudetowardsAsay, voteisnot going to count.SoItryto ,'tiA tell'emyouknow,wellmaybethatonevotethatyoudocast bethe decidingfactor.but dohavea negativeattitude,andtheyjustwon't yt>.., vote, won'tregisterrather,becausellthey's, they say well lIvegonethisfar,orthislongwithoutregistering,whydoitnow?Somedohavethatattitude. is HowoftenAreregistration required? .I'mpretty myunderstandlngisthatsolongasyouvote in a major -I-hQr' election,Ayour votingregistrationstaysactive.B:Doesdis-,ohwedon'thavetoworryaboutthat youable tocampaignYo u'(' freely,thati 7 during campai gry wereyouthreatened inanyway?H:No.B:Howmanytimes didyourun?H:Once.B:Once,andyouarenowserving?H:Yes.B:Okay.Urnwereyouhandicappedbya lack ofcampaignmoney? 0..5ta-t"a-S-WI" H:Wellthisisa small neighborhoodhere, ! be cityof Eatonvi11eisconcerned, o.rJ everyonejustaboutknoweach other,soasfarascampaignmoneyisconcerned,thisB:H:is,wasn'tanatall. howmuchdidyouspendin yourcampaign? Reall'ito tellyouthetruth)Ididn'tspendanything. I didhavesomefriendsthatweallchipped inandhada party or celebration but asfaras uh, well


FB49A5 twe1v'l H:letmetakethatback, I thinkit havesomebrochures printed,uhflyers. I believethat'swhatthey spentonit.B:Whydidyoudecide torunfor office?H:Well'Ihadalotofmyuhfriendsandneighborswantedmeto run, because of the, ourgovernmentwasalmost in chaos.Wedidhavealittleconflicthere with the betweenthemayorandsomeof thecityofficials,andmostof the citizensfeltthatthe bickeringthatwasgoingonwouldnot help thetown, itdid not help thetown.The,they never could get anythingreallydoneor passed because ofuh,therewerecertain peoplethathadthe majority votesonthere,andtheywaspretty close Andtheywasafteronemaninparticularthemayor.Sothe peoplejusthadgottiredofthistype ofuhbickeringamongthecitycouncil.B:Okay.Whichpoliticalpartydoyoubelongto?H:Democrat.B:Whatwere,whenyouran,whatwerethetwoor threemostimportant issuesthatyoustressed in yourcampaign?H:Onewastheuh..•issuewasonour sanitation department.We,wedid not have, the peoplewerenot gettingwhattheyreallywaspayingfor in sanitation-wise, pickinguptheirgarbage, trashetc.Thiswasoneof the big issues there.Andof course)just1ikeyou say; thisisasmalltownandeveryoneknewthebickeringthatwasgoingonsothatdidn'tneedto stressed thereatall.Andbettergovernmentfor the people;n whatwasrightforthemandto help Eatonville tomovealongeconomy-wise.B:Doyouthink these issueswerethe biggestproblemsfacing the people in Eatonville?H:Yes. '1ou''(e B:Okay, electedatlarge, right?H:Yes.B:Howmanypeople are in Eatonville?1 _________________________.J


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FB49A7H:Theonly thingthathaspreventedusfromdoingabetterjobisthe lack of he-v..-IV'B:O,X.We havealistof factors herewhichhavein the past prevented electedofficialsfromdoingabetterjob.AndlIdlikeyoutoratetheseeachasto whether or notit'sveryimportant,fairlyimportant, or not important in preventingyoufromdoingyour job.Thefirstfactoristhatthe officehasnoreal authority, in otherwordsthatyou'rejusta figureheadanditlooksgoodbutyoureallycan't do anything.H:That's not important.B:Okay,whatabout,yousaid notenoughrevenue availablewasimportant,wouldyousayit'sveryimportant, orfairlyimportant?H:Veryimportant.B:Wasbeing unfamiliar with your administrative duties important in this?H: Uh, would you, uh..•B:Important in preventing, in preventing-youfromdoingyour job?H:Iwouldsay uh, Iwouldhaveto ratethat ohinbetweenthereasfairlyimportant.B:Whatabout lack of cooperationfromwhites in the area, in thetownssurrounding yours, sometning ofthatnature?H: No, I don't thinkthat'simportant.B:Lackofcooperationfromthe people here in Eatonville,hasthisbeena•••?H:Thisisvery important.Wedon'thavethe cooperation thatwereallyneedasfarasthecitizen'sparticipationisconcerned,ifthat'swhatyoumean.B:Umhum.H:SoIwouldsaythat'svery important.B:Andwhatabout lack of cooperationfromstateofficials?H:I'llratethatfairlyimportant.B:Andfinally} lack of cooperationfromfederalofficials?H:IwouldsayfairlyimportantonthatbecauseJthe reasonwhy11m sayingfairly


------------_...-----FB49A .._-8havehere.H:important, becauseuhthere aresomegrantsandsomeother thingsthatwecould get herethatweare not, don'thavethe personnelrightnowto seek thesethings out for us. I thinkthatasfarasthe federalisconcerned, becausewedoget information, butuhthey should, Idobelievethatthey shouldmakeknownallthe grantsorloans or whateverthatcanbehelpful to Eatonville. I thinkthat'swhatweare lacking B:Youmentionedthatlack of supportfromthe citizenshashinderedyoualittlebitin holdingoffice.Canyougiveussomespecificexamplesofhowthiscriticismhaspreventedyoufromdoingabetterjob, orhowthislack of support• ?1S.••,H:I wouldn't sayitpreventedmefromdoingabetter bt ,surewouldhelp the hd't't''t"'1t' VI,) 1weamoreC1lZenspar1c1palng1nourcounclmeelng,comeupandletusknowwhattheywant.We'llmakea decision here,andthey'llonlybefive orsixpeople out there.Andinstead ofthemcomingforwardandlettingusknow,eventhoughthatthe decisionrestsuponour judgement, butwewouldliketoknowthatthisiswhattheywant.B:Whenyougoto conferences orwhenyouapply for grants, orhavedealings with whiteofficials,doyouthink that theytreatyoudifferentlyfromotherofficialsbecauseyouare black?Dothey seeyouasaspokesmanfor blacks at racial issues?H;Wellthat'dbeveryhardformetokindofanswerthatbecausetherehavebeenveryfew livebeento,beenable to attend,becauseasyouknowthisisnot a fulltimejob here,andIdohavea job with thestate,andsothishashinderedmealotfromgoing alotofeventhe local meetingsthatthey B:Whatservices,youmentionedAalready, butwhatserviceshaveyouprovided the people in Eatonvillethattheydidn'thavebeforeyoutook office?H:Thereisn'tany, Ican'tthink ofanyrightnowthat theydidn'thave.Maybeit'sbeenimproved,but the servicewasalready here,thatwegotsofar.


---FB49AB:Whichones youparticularly.•.?9H:B:Whatspecificallyhaveyoubeenable todo?11m speaking of the wellIspokeof It washere butwehaveimprovedthat.rspokeof upgrading our water system.Wearenowin the progress, In phasesofdoingthat. gnd for the garbage, refuse desposal thatwashere, butithasbeenuh,rthink the peoplenoware gettingwhatthey arepayingfor.And as-itt.reading ofJ1watermeters andthings, r thinkthey're,youlregoingto get people griping regardless! Joulre notgoingtobeable to please everyone, but I think they'remoresatisfiednowtoknowthatthe meters have, the metersthatwasbrokenhasbeenfixed,andthey're not gettingflat-rated,mostof the people are not gettingflat-ratednow.B:Okay,couldyoupleaseratehoweffectiveyouthinkyo.u'vebeenineachof the following service areas; veryeffective,somewhat or not effective.Thefirstareaispolice protection.H:I thinkwe'vebeenvery effective. Uh } H:Welluh,whenyouspeakof police protection,we havejI forgethowmanyareonourstaffrightnow,'causewehadto cutback our budget,so uh, butwedo .fhO--ti-hey do LLh) havetrainedpolicemanhere,whichthestaterequires havewentthrough a policeacademy.And wellwe thatwehavenowin acity,communication,andtheyhavecars,whichisvery helpful forthem,andwhichtheycanatanygiven timethatsomethingisprobably toomuchfor thepolicemanonduty,hecanalwaysget intouchwith the othercitiesto render help.Sothisisverygood.S:Okay,in the areaofstreetsandroads,howeffectivehaveyoubeen? vJt've.) H:Wellthat'soneof ourmajorproblems.Alidsay@percentof ourstreetsaredirtroads here in Eatonville.Ofcoursewedidstarta,wedidhaveacompany. +hehctd thatwouldcome1nandgrade ourstreets,but lack of fund, nowwe to cutthatout, butwedohavea gradernowwhichweare hiring amanto grade


_._-----_._---_._. -------------FB49A I H:ourstreets.But rainy seasonwasinandmostourstreets tornupprettybad. I think with alittlehelp with the graderwegotnow, -:;::;. 10it'sgoingto see a big change,andput in alittlebitmoredrainage system,wegot aproblemhere too.B:Okay,in the areaofhousing?H:Well,asfarashousingisconcernedthere'sonly afewhousesbeenbuiltin Qre..Y\eMljwel\oxe. Eatonville recently.Asyouknowmostofour land, welll\l$ ownedbythe school \/co,st board,andthisoneof our reasonswhywedoesn'thave growthofhouseshere inEatonvi11e.i nfoyVYliqof B:Okay,in the area of welfare, social services,uhsay these services or seeing to the provision of these services,howeffectivehaveyoubeen?H:WellIwouldsay I haven'tbeeneffective inthatatall,because the thing aboutwell hOc'l.)didA atonetimewedidhavetheOrangeCountywassendingtheirbusout here,and'course Ihadtold alotpeoplethatthebuseswerethere but whether theywentto signupfor these things I don'tknow.Ididn'tfollowuponit.B:Wellthiswasamobilewelfare registrationfuvlI'tr H:Right,uhhUh, yes. B:Inthe areaofemployment)whathaveyoubeenable todo,howeffective?H:Iwouldsay, .••whatwasthemiddleoneagain?B:Somewhateffective.. CETA H:Somewhateffective inthat.(talking together)Wedidhave,wellwehadthe people,uhI'causeuh,andwealsohad uh; I believeit was@emP10yeeS fromthe, here in Eatonvilleatthattime.Wegot other jobsonthecity,butasI saY,) here)lately ourfundshavebeencutoffsowedidhaveto laybacksomepeople.Butnowweare getting alittlebitout of the red,andweare hiring peoplebacknow.B:Youmentioned facilitiesearlier,howeffectivedoyouthink youlvebeenin the area of parksandrecreation?---------_._--------


FB49A11 onH:Iwouldsay for the plan thatwegot q:J!f, for ,whathie haveplannednow,I say very, very effective.B:Veryeffective.Inthe area of healthandhospitals,howeffectivedoyouthink you'vebeenin provision ofsayambulanceservice, ormedicalservices?H:I haven'tbeeneffective inthatatall.B:Whatabout in the areas of water,sewage,andgarbage?H:Veryeffective.B:Andin the area of education?H:Somewhateffective.B:Whathaveyoubeenable todointhatarea? t H: havetheuhchild caredownhere for the/Wou .. of course bdrm6+Da.n organizationwhichwedonatedsomemoney J tothat,to the Rindergarten.B:Whatabout in the area offireprotection?H: been,whenIsaywe)I' m speaking of thewhole been very effective inthat,asfarasfireprotection is concerned.B:EndI esal"t'?AY\d1 Yes,I'm a volunteer fireman. B:Haveyougotten federalfundsin herenowbesidesthat,youmentionedthe' H:andyouhaverevenuesharing, right?H:ufum.B:Howmuchrevenuesharingdoyouget?H:I don'tknowthatfigurerightoffhand.B:Couldyoulistsomeof themoreimportant federal grants,andmaybesomeof theamounts?H:Notrightoffhand I couldn't, becauseuh•.. a.s B:Okay.Haveyouasa electedofficial of a localcommitteeor anythinglikethat)been able to bringanynewbusiness,retailoutlets,or industry, or anything likethatinto Eatonville?


------------_.---------_.-----------FB49A13B:Whatisitusedfor?H:Mostlyit1susedtouhsupport thetown,rwouldsay, in theemploymentetc.andalso theupkeepofourfirestation,ofwhichwehavevolunteer firemanatthat s'\.ICLr,'es particulartime, forthe employees.B:Havetherebeenanyblackprotestsorsit-ins,boycotts, orriotshere in Eatonville in thelastsay ten years?H:NonethatIknowof.B:Okay,the followinggroupof questions are askedjustto get a general assessmentofblackpoliticsin Florida in general.Whatisyour opinion Askew?H:Well,IvotedforhimsoIdohavea high 444e24CZ.apcfifJ respectforhim.B:Hashedoneanything inparticularthat1s impressedyou?H:Well there's numbersofthingsthathe'sdonethathasbeenimpressive to me._ rightoffthecuffrightnow,I can't., just gobackand su...m'emlAp. B:Arethereanyotherstateofficials,membersof thestatelegislatureor congressmanthathaveparticularlyimpressedyou?H;Oneismyveryfavoritewhich is.)We''fC'IV)padres andthat's uh/ CongressmanFrey,LouFrey.B:Thisissortof thekeyquestion here;doyouthinkthatwinningandholdingofficehere in Eatonvillehasbeenworth theeffort?H:Yes,definitely.B:Whydoyouthink so?H:Wellbecause,forone, onething)wehaveimprovedonour staft the counci1 in getting thetownheadedbackin therightdirection.What!meanbytherightdirection,insteadofalotofthe bickeringthatwasgoing on,andgettingbackto thecitybusiness, tending to thecitybusiness instead ofjustbeinguh,trying tomoreorlessupseatoneman.SoIthinkbymebeing electedthatwehave,wegotmorepeaceandharmonynowamongthe councilmembers,andalsowehavemoreinllooktime toreally lookAat Eatonville as awholeandseewhatcanwedoto embetterit.


------------------------------------------, FB49AH:No.12B:Havetherebeenanynewbusinessesopenup?B:Havetherebeeneffortstodothis?H:Well, yes. uh,I didntt quite followitupbecauseI,the peoplethatI talked toatthatparticulartime saidthat,wellthe landusehereis,wedon'thavein order todothis. I talkedtooneof thesalesmanforMobileGas} a..nd thattimethey not build anewstations oranystationsanywhere,soI quite followuponthatone. tftcvt H:Well beenbusinessesopenupwith the existing say withtheexisting..• buildings thatwerehere.Wehavetheuh,the .fish but,isanew '.::' businessthatopenedup, sellfish,fish market.Andthe Johnson,wellwehavethe laundrymat, it's anewbuilding, anotherstore.Iwouldsayabout two,oh let1s just'saynewowners.Theonlynewbusinesswould,Iwouldsay,wouldbethe fish hutandthe laundrymat. -:::. B:Howlongagodid the fish hutopenup?H:Iwouldsay about a year, about a year orsoago.B:Haveyoubeenable to seethatthecityhiring practices arefair,they'rejustbasedonqualificationsand••.?H:Qualificationsisthe major, themajorissue in thecities. hiy",'h..:J B:Haveyouhadanything with practicesatall,haveyoudoneanything about .•.? IVl) 1H:Well, yes,whenIfirstwasJ\onthe,cameonthe C-OlA..V)C.1fbOQr....;;,c1,.)"J_andasfarasthe hiring of sanitation workers,andalsosomeoftheemployeesin thecityof Eatonville. lIve interviewedsome,andwebaseditonexperience, qualification.S:Howhasfederalrevenuesharing helpedyouin Eatonville?H:Well,asyou don'thavea greatdealofrevenueofourowncomingin,andsothishashelpedittremendously.------


FB49A14B:Thesequestionsnowareaskedtocompilejustanoverallgroupprofileof black electedofficialsin Florida.Noindividualanswersaregoingtobereported,wejustwanttohavea composite.Now youre a commissioner,youIre not adistrict ?H:No. Oror anythinglike theynolongerhavetitleslikestreets anything like that?H:No.B:Okay,youwerefirst in ? seI/tht'[, ..•. 5eventytwo. H:Mayof no 11m sorry,Mayof174,174. -:::B:Andyoutookofficethatmonth?H;Yes.I saidMay, 11m sorryit'sMarch. '1oi...veYLtV\ B: for officeonetime?H:Yes.Whatisyour occupation beforeyouwereelectedandnow,whatisyourB:Doyoumindmyasking yourage?H:No,notatall, B:All occupation?H:Okaybefore Iwaselected Iwasin the militaryasanaerial photography, in the Air Force. rim retiredAir Myoccupation innowisthe,I'm an investigator for Florida Construction Industry LicensingBoard,for the of Florida.B:What'sthe level of your education?H:I finished the eleventh grade. IhaveaGED.B:AGED?H:Yes.B:Whatls,what's...?H:It'satestthatistaken in the AirForceto givemeahighschooluh•..B:Equivalent? otH:Equivalency tfi highschool education.


----------_._.. _----------------FB49AB:Whatisthe salarythatyougetfromyour elected position?A dol/> amonth.B:Wereyouactive in thecivilrightsmovementof the earlysixities?H:No.Letmeaskyouthis;whatyoumeanby did I take part init?B:Didyoutake part inanyofit,didyousupportit,didyouevergoout andtalk to people aboutit?H:NoIdidn'tbutIfullysupporteditbybeingamemberoftheNAACP.B:Areyou,whatchurchdoyoubelongto?H:Methodist, St.LawrenceChurch.---------B:That's yourhometownright?H:Urnhum.B:Areyouanofficialin the church?H:No,notnow.Ihavebeen.B:Whatwereyou?H:Ihadabout five or sixtitles.FirstofallIwastheuh,Iwasonthe trustee board, the secretary oftrusteeboard, president ofboardandthe church recorderandreporter.B:Okay,that'squite alist.Arethereanyothercommunityorganizations or15activitesthatyou're involved in?Areyoustillin theNAACP?H:Wellthere'sothercommunity,ifyou're speaking ofanyother organizations, isthiswhatyou're askingme?B: andthen alsoonthe local level, are thereanythatyouare..•?H:Yes,well 11m amemberof the EVi.yLodgeno.32,which11m the \Nor+h\}vYla.steyof,thisismasonic.11m amemberof theRoyalArts,r whichisthe, inWinterPark, ,this isalso masonic. TheShriners, the___ which degree mason, anduh•• B:Youhave, you're, you're a32nddegree mason?holdIYllt }H:Yes.And11mjustrecently joined the PathfindersattheNavalBase.


FB49AB:Whatwasyourfather'soccupation? G'\ H:Myfather was;theforemanof cityicecompanyinLawrence,SouthCarolina.B:Whateffectshaverunning for, areyoumarried?H: B:Doyouhavechildren?H:Yes.16B:Whateffectshaverunning forandholding officehadonyouandyour family,andyour familylife,andyour sociallife?H:WellIwouldsaythatasfaras the kids are concerned,it'sbeenvery inspiring -rotth/ them. ButAit alsohasthehamperof,along with the other organizationsthatIl'mwith orin, I dobe away fromhomequite alot.Sothisdohavealittleeffectbut notthat,notthatmuch.B:Whatother organizationnowspecificallyareyoureferring to?H:Wellmy masonic ••.B:Right.Okay,letmesee,there'sonemorething.Whatdoyouthinkisthe biggest detriment to blacks gainingpoliticalpowerin thestateof Floridaf biggest factorthatwouldnot allowthemtodothis?Df H:Ireallycan'tthink of any, notreally.Becausemy beliefAit in,ifhe's qualIwouldsay qualification.Andof courseatuh,wellgetting the blacks to supporthim,gettingbehindhimandsupportinghim,andI believehecouldrunforanyoffice in thestateof Floridaandbecomeelected tothatoffice.B:Whatabout detriments say to,asopposedtoanindividualmanrunning,asopposedto blacks in general gainingmorepoliticalpower,havingmoreclout?H:You're not speaking,yousaid not individual . TL{st41le.., B: A yeah, the black people in general in Florida.Whatdoyouthink,doyouthink there ,.. areanythingsthattend tokeepthemfromexertingmorepoliticalpower,andgettingmorepolicy favorable totheirspecificandspecialneedspassed?


FB49A17H:Ican'tthink ofany.B:Okay.Atthe University of Floridawehavea thing called theOral HJstory Project.Whatthisproject isthey take tapes of peoplearoundthestate,andthey transcribethemandkeepthemin the archives for scholarsandprofessors togo -thV-t're lookat doingresearch studies. They're not a matter of public record or anythinglikethat.Inmanycases the black electedofficialsthat 1"\ we're talking thefirstoneselected since reconstructionafterthe CivilWar.Inother casesthey'rejustfirstonesinterviewed in those areas.TheOralHistory Projecthasexpressedaninterestin,afterweare through with the tapes, theywould1ike to takethemandtranscribethem.After.this)whattheyIII yo.. k VI()I.AJ do';isthey'llsendyouacopyof the transcript,andyoucanedit it.AYOU canchangeit,youcanaddtoit,youcantake things out.Andthen they'dlikeyouto releaseit,youcannot,youcandecideatthattime,youcan I don't•IIwantto releaseIt. Itwol.tld tapes are erasedandthewholethingis d " forgotten.Youcan wantto releaseit,or yau cansay)I'llreleaseIIpart of tobeput in the archives.Wouldyouhaveanyobjection, tohaving a transcriptmade,andhavtngitsent toyoufor your approval?H:No.B:Doyouthink you'dhaveanyobjection to releasing part ofitor•.•? vJO\A.ld. H: No, I don't think anyobjections.B:Okay,thankyouverymuch.H:Okay.