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Interview of Earl M. Reames

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Interview of Earl M. Reames
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Brown, Louise Scales ( Interviewer )
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MATHESON HISTORICAL MUSEUM

ORAL HISTORY PROGRAM


Interviewee: Interviewer: Transcriber:


Earl M. Reames Louise Scales Brown Ruth C. Marston


July 22, 2002






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B: My name is Louise Scales Brown, and I am interviewing Earl Reames at 3400 N.W.
I oth Street at Gainesville, Florida, on July 22, 2002. Mr. Reames, will you please
state your full name for the tape.

R: I am Earl Mitchell Reames.

B: The goal of the Matheson Center's Oral History Program is to collect and preserve
the histories of Alachua County by interviewing longtime residents of the area. You and Mrs. Reames have been longtime residents of the Gainesville community, and it is indeed a pleasure to interview you at your home. Please begin by talking about your early childhood, where you were bom, your parents' names and other family
members. Just tell us about your family background.

R: I was bom on April 11, 1917, in West Plains, Missouri, a birthplace I share with
Porter Wagner. My mother's name was Frances Lee Pool Reames, and she was bom in West Plains. My father's name was Earl Sidney Reames, and he was bom in Sikeston, Missouri. They met in West Plains. We lived in South Fork, Missouri,
which is southwest of West Plains.

I had five sisters and two brothers. Two sisters are deceased and one brother. We came to Jacksonville on two weeks' vacation in 1923. We came over here to Gainesville and didn't have enough money to leave, so we stayed in Gainesville. I'm
glad because I love it here and have lived here ever since.

B: 'fhat's a wonderful story. Where were you in the eight children?

R: I'm the oldest. It was a burden as I had to be an example to the rest of them.

B: I'm sure you were a good one. Where did you attend school? Tell us about your
elementary and middle and high school years.

R: I started in the first grade here in Gainesville in the building, which is now the school
administration center. It was a school then. The building on this side was the
elementary school; the building on the east side was the high school.

B: Was it named Kirby-Smith then?

R: No. It was Gainesville Elementary School and Gainesville High School. Ruth Peeler
was my first grade teacher. She taught for many, many years. I started the first grade
over in the room on the southwest comer of the building.

B: Did you graduate from that high school?

R: No. When I got to the 6 th grade, they built the high school down on West University
Avenue, so when I got to the lffi grade, which started high school, I went to the West
University Avenue building and that's where I graduated in 1935.






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B: When and where did you meet Mrs. Reames?

R: Well, I started at the University of Florida in the fall of 1935. In the fall of 1936, 1
had taken the Railway Mail Service examination and the Clerk Carrier examination, to work in the Post Office. My father was a mail carrier for the Post Office, so he encouraged me to take these exams. I'm glad I did because I worked for the Post
Office for 45 years.

In December 1936, they called me to Jacksonville to work during Christmas. Back then, all the mail business happened about a week prior to Christmas, so they needed extra help. They called me to work in the Railway Mail Service terminal there on West Main Street during the Christmas rush. I had a friend, Henry Chubb, who was also on the list. They called him and he went a day or two before I did. He rented a room in a rooming house, so I just stayed with him while we were working there.
Henry and I had a room on the second floor. It was a great big room and it had a porch that they had made into a kitchen with a stove. It was really an apartment, but
we didn't do any cooking.

When I walked in, this good-looking young gal came walking down the stairs to use the telephone, which was downstairs. She said, "I know who you are." I said, "Who am IT' She said, "You're Henry's friend." I said, "That's right." Anyway, her folks had an apartment on the third floor. We used to sit on the stairs and she would talk about her boyfriend and I would talk about my girlfriend. It was just a platonic relationship, and she was good company. I needed somebody to talk with I guess she did, too. So that's where we met. Of course, I only worked there two weeks and then
came back to Gainesville.

B: Were you still a student at the University of Florida?

R: Not then. 'fhe next time I went over there to work when the Christmas rush was over,
the Nashville, Tennessee, tenninal had been flooded out and they needed extra help.
I was up high on the list and they said I could stay longer. They were paying 750 an hour, which back then was very good money. So I stayed. By then, Walter Winslow was working there and he and I were good friends, so he moved in with me. We kept that place for five months or so. I saw her quite a bit and we talked a lot - nothing
serious, but we enjoyed each other's company.

Then I came back here and I didn't go back to school. It just didn't work out. I hadn't saved the rest of the money for my education, so I dropped out of school. I went back to Missouri because my folks lived there, and I didn't have the money to
stay here. I came back in the fall to work again for the mail service.


B: Was that 1937 by then?






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R: Yes. Anyway, on March 1, 1939, 1 got a temporary appointment in the Gainesville
Post Office. You always start out as a temporary and move on up. So I moved back to Gainesville. I kept going back to Jacksonville to see her, and on September 30,
1939, we got married and she moved over here.

B: Where was your wedding?

R: In the First Presbyterian Church in Jacksonville. That church still stands. It's
isolated. It's right downtown but it's so well endowed that they still have services
there.

B: That's wonderful.

R: We haven't been there in a while, but we have been back several times.

B: After your marriage, you have always lived in Gainesville?

R: Yes. The only time I didn't live here was when I was in the service, but she stayed
here. I served in the Pacific.

B: What branch of the service were you in?

R: I was in the 98 th Infantry Division. I served most of my time in the Hawaiian Islands.
Everybody grins when I say that because the weather's perfect and the scenery is beautiful, and all that, but if you have ever been to Hawaii, there are more Japanese living there than any other race and, of course, somebody was getting infonnation
from somebody there. Our primary mission was security of the Hawaiian Islands.

B: Were you there when Pearl Harbor was struck?

R: No. I got there in March 1944, not too long after but not right after. You could still
see the effects of it.

B: Do you and Mrs. Reames have children?

R: Yes. We have two fine sons. The oldest is Johnny. He's a librarian out at Santa Fe
Community College. He was born November 9, 1943, which is the same day that I
was inducted into the service. Joe was bom on December 21, 1946.

B: What is his career?

R: He is an analyst and works at Fort Rucker, which is the aviation center for the Army.
He started out in the service as a helicopter pilot. When he retired from the service, he got a job in research and development and stayed at Fort Rucker. He has a
Masters in Aerospace Engineering.






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B: Wonderful. Did he attend the University of Florida?

R: He graduated from the University of Florida, but his degree in Aerospace Engineering
is through Embry Riddle. They have a satellite university in Fort Rucker, so that's
where he got his Masters.

B: Where is Fort Rucker?

R: Enterprise, Alabama.

B: I thought that's where it is. That's my home state.

R: Is that right! You know where Dothan is.

B: Yes.

R: It's kind of that way.

B: I was thinking it might be in South Alabama, but I was not sure. Do you have
grandchildren?

R: Yes. We've got two grandsons, both of them in Atlanta. One of them is Joseph
Mitchell, Jr., and the other one is Richard Travis. We're about to have a greatgrandchild. Joseph's wife is pregnant and on the 13 th of August she is supposed to
deliver a boy.

B: Well, that will be a great celebration! Would you like to talk about the changes that
have occurred in Gainesville and Alachua County since you have lived here?

R: Of course, they have really been dramatic. When we first came to Gainesville, we
lived on Masonic Street. You know where the First Presbyterian Church is now.

B: On S.W. 2nd Avenue.

R: Okay. They had two big rooming houses in the block just this side of the church. At
that time, where the church property is, there was a fence. That was a farmhouse and it belonged to the sheriff, whose name was Pinkoson, and he had a farmhouse where the First Presbyterian Church is now. We lived up this way in one of those rooming
houses.

You know where the old Commercial Hotel was, on the comer of West Main Street South and Masonic Avenue, where the new courthouse administration building is being built, there was the Maggie Tebeau school for young ladies, which was a big
deal back in those days.






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B: It was a very interesting looking building. Had that been the Tebeau residence before
it became a school?

R: I don't know, but I suspect so. It was a pretty good-sized building and it would be
rather large for a home. Just south of that in the next block was a great big 2-story rooming house that Ms McCormick ran. She was a teacher and she taught me in the
second grade.

I can also remember sitting on the courthouse square and watching them put bricks down around the courthouse. The only paving in Gainesville at that time was about an 8-foot strip on what is now 6 th Street and University Avenue, and it went to what is now 13 th Street, which then was 9th Street. University was where it is now, but they
didn't have the buildings that they have now.

B: The brick pavement didn't go very far cast then, is that right?

R: The only brick pavement was around the courthouse. I don't know when they paved
East University Avenue or bricked it, whatever. I suspect that they bricked it first.
The bricks were long, probably 12" long and 6" wide.

B: You mentioned that what is now 13 th was 9 th Street. Was that still the entrance to the
University of Florida?

R: Yes. An interesting thing is that 9th Streeet only went as far as 4 th Avenue, old
Seminary Street.

B: Which is now N.W. 4 th Avenue, is that correct?

R: 5 th Avenue, where the Florida Pharmacy used to be. That was the end of it. It was
kind of downhill into a valley. You couldn't go through that area. You could walk
but couldn't drive a car down it.

B: Actually, at that point in time, there were not many paved streets around the
University of Florida campus, right?

R: That's right. I started at the University in the fall of 1935 and was in the first class to
have 1000 men in it. Of course, back then they didn't have women. There were 3000
students at the University at that point.

B: That's interesting. So 1000 of the 3000 were in your Freshman class.

R: That's right.

B: You mentioned earlier how you happened to become a postal carrier. Would you like
to share some interesting stories with us. You said you were there for over forty
years.






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R: Yes. I worked for the Post Office in Gainesville for 45 years and 2 months, and from
all the research I have done, nobody has come close to that. My father was a rural carrier, but he died when he was 47 so he worked only a short time. When he got his rural carrier appointment, it was a political payoff. My dad was a Republican, one of the few Republicans in Gainesville at that time. We're talking about 1925. They had a rural route come open. It was a political plum and he was a Republican and Mr.
Lynch, who was the Postmaster at the time, was a Republican, so my dad got the job.
It was during the Depression and he needed that job. He was keeping books for the First National Bank, and before that was working six days a week in a grocery store from before daylight to after dark for $ 10 a week, so he was glad to get that job as a
rural carrier.

B: Do you know what his salary was as a rural caffier?

R: It seems to me that it was $1,200 a year. He was happy to get it. I do know that his
equipment allowance for that route was 40 a mile, so he bought a new Model T Ford to drive that route in. His route was Route 3. He took over from a man who delivered it with a horse and buggy. This route was 30 miles long, and this man had a horse staked out somewhere about half way through the route. He would drive there and swap horses and finish the route. When dad got the route, he bought a Model T
Ford and delivered in that.

B: I am sure none of those roads were paved. They probably were more like sandy lanes
at that time.

R: Yes. Route 3 goes out toward LaCrosse, out over 6 th Street and where the Highway
Patrol station is now.

B: Did he go all the way into LaCrosse on his route?

R: Yes. He took a locked pouch, all the Gainesville mail, to LaCrosse on that route.
They didn't have other connections.

B: They must have had a Post Office in LaCrosse.

R: Yes.

B: So they depended on him for bringing the mail from Gainesville to their Post Office.

R: Yes. He got extra money for carrying that pouch. I don't know how much
probably $5 or $6 a year.

B: Was all your work at the Post Office or were you also a mail caffier?






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R: I started out in the Railway Mail Service in Jacksonville but that was temporary.
When you start at the Post Office, it is as a temporary. Then you go to a substitute.
Then you get to be a regular substitute, then a regular. All my work in Jacksonville was as a temporary, but the Ist of March in 1939 1 got a temporary appointment in Gainesville, so I came back to Gainesville. The examination was for a clerk carrier.
That meant you were just a flunky. Anyplace they needed you in the Post Office is where you worked. I started out as a distribution clerk, working with what they call "flats." Then I moved to where you sorted letters. Everything was, of course, done by hand then. Then the way it worked, you took the clerk carrier exam and the first job that came up, if you wanted it, you got it. The first one that came up was for a substitute appointment as a city carrier. At that time, they had an agreement that the blacks got all the walking jobs and the white people got the jobs distributing the mail in the Post Office. So the first job was for a city caffier, and I took it. Everybody looked at me, but I said, "It's a job and I'm going to do it." So I had it. I was the
second white caffier in the Gainesville Post Office.

B: What route did you have?

R: As a substitute you just relieve other caffiers. When I finally got a regular
appointment, it was on Route 10, which was the University of Florida campus plus the residential area around where Nonnan Hall is now. I delivered the campus mail in a little two-wheeled pushcart. I delivered all of it, including all the books and everything for the library, so I thought I had died and gone to heaven when they started sending all the books out there on the parcel post truck. I don't know how many years, but for a long time, the only truck they had was a Model A Ford and when he started hauling my packages to the library at the University, I thought I
really had it made.

B: That really lightened your load.

R: As I said, it was down around Nonnan Hall, which was P.K. Yonge School then.
There was a street called Margaret Street. I had one place where I went around behind the home to deliver mail to a garage apartment at the back. Mr. Wilson was driving the parcel post truck and he pulled up in front and I went around in back to deliver mail to that apartment. When I came back out front, he said, "What did you do to that truck?" I said, "What do you mean? I didn't touch it, believe me." He had left the brake off and that truck had rolled down a hill into a ditch. I guess it didn't get down in the water but it was down there where you couldn't even see it with the
bushes and stuff.

B: Is that the little stream that crosses S.W. 13 th Street that runs through that
neighborhood in that area?

R: No. You know where 6 th Street crosses 4 h Avenue, where Dr. Hazouri's office is.


B: Yes.






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R: It's the next little street over to the south. That was an experience all right.

B: That's interesting. So the truck ended up in the little stream.

R: Yes.

B: Tell me about organizations in Gainesville that you have belonged to.

R: Well, I was a volunteer with the Boy Scouts for 21 years. I think they have a
wonderful program, and I still contribute money once in a while to them. I belonged to the Order there. I got the Silver Beaver for work I did in the Boy Scouts. I am a
Vigil Honor member of the Order of the Arrow, which is a leadership group.

B: Membership in the Order of the Arrow is indeed an honor.

R: I was lay advisor for the Order of the Arrow for the North Florida Council.

B: Now, you were maffied in the Presbyterian Church in Jacksonville. Did you continue
your membership in the Presbyterian Church? Are you active in a church here?

R: When we first came here, we went to the First Presbyterian Church. Preacher Gordon
was here. If you were a member of the Presbyterian Church, that's the one to belong to. After a few years, we started going to Grace Presbyterian Church. I don't know how, but then we started going to the Highlands and we have been there for some 40
years now.

B: Well, Reverend Shea was a longtime pastor of Highlands, and many people left other
churches to attend Highlands.

R: He was a real, special individual.

B: Mr. Reames, this is so interesting. I wonder if you would like to talk about special
people or places or events that had a special influence on your life in Gainesville, or
any stories that you would like to tell.

R: When I first went to work for the Post Office, it was in what is now the Hippodrome.
Just north on the right-hand side back then, Shaw & Keeter had a Ford dealership, right there on the comer in front of the Post Office. It didn't take them long to move down on University Avenue - two or three years - and when they moved, Chevrolet
took over that same place.

One person I would like to mention is Louis Pennisi. When we first came to Gainesville, he was making ice cream in a little shed behind the old Commercial Hotel. He had a little pushcart, and he drove all around Gainesville, which at that time was not a big deal, and sold ice cream cones. Of course, it was about 1928 when






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he moved down where he is now and started making hamburgers. His hamburgers were made off of his mother's meatloaf recipe. That was the first hamburgerjoint in
Gainesville.

Another interesting thing about the town was that it had two main streets. I mentioned West Main Street, which is now Main Street. That had a North and a South on it. University Avenue runs east and west. East Main was a block east of
there and it had East Main North and East Main South.

B: That is the street that now runs on the east side of the County Administration
Building?

R: Yes, where the Episcopal Church is now.

B: And there's a clock there now, isn't there, where City Hall is?

R: The story of that clock is that it used to be in the old courthouse before they tore it
down. When they tore the courthouse down, the clock was moved over there and it
still keeps time!

B: That's right.

R: The street that Louis' hamburger is on used to be Virginia Avenue, I think.

B: I've heard of that. It's so interesting that Gainesville went to the quadrant system in
the late 1940's, which lost all the beautiful names of the streets.

R: I was a walking city postman when they did that. Talk about trauma! It was a mess
trying to get those names straight when they changed the street names to numbers.

B: I'm sure there are a lot of people who still refer to the streets by their names rather
than the numbers.

R: You look on the signs and you'll see that a lot of them have the old names, too.

B: Yes, that's good that they have done that.

R: I remember when we first came to Gainesville, the First Baptist Church was where
that clock is now, in front of City Hall on East University.

B: I remember when we talked at your initial interview that you mentioned that your
father was out delivering mail and there was an incident that he had and that you have a picture of. I am glad that you are sharing that picture with us. Maybe we can get a
copy and put it in your file at the Matheson Center. Please tell us about the incident.






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R: Of course. My father was a rural carrier. Part of his route was the extension of N.W.
16 th Avenue, which was then Michigan Avenue. B: So Michigan became 16 th Avenue.

R: Yes. He pulled up to a mailbox. It was one of those old flat-top mailboxes. I don't
know if you have ever seen them or not, but they had a lid and you just lifted it up. B: I've seen those. I grew up in a rural community in Alabama. R: You did? Well, he stopped and lifted that thing to put the mail in, and he heard
something crack. He was driving an old Ford roadster, a one-seat car with a cloth top. He looked back and when he did a tree fell between him and the steering wheel.
On the side that the steering wheel was on, it had a big knot that went through the
spokes, so he was real lucky that the Lord was looking out for him. B: He was not injured at all?

R: Well, he was kind of scared but he was not injured at all. B: That was fortunate.

R: He pushed back against the seat and slid out under the tree. He was very fortunate. B: In looking at the picture, it certainly proves that he was very fortunate to come out of
that okay. I do hope we can get a copy of that picture. It would be very interesting to
have that in your file.

R: I've got one I can give to you.

B: Are there any other recollections that you would like to share with us? R: Jess Davis was the Postmaster when I went to work there. He and my father were
real good friends because he lived on my father's route. My dad encouraged me to take the examinations when I was in high school and I made good grades on both of them. Eventually, I could have gotten a job from both of them, but I preferred to be here in Gainesville so I took that job when I got a pennanent appointment. He and
my dad were real good friends, so he kind of monitored me in the Post Office. B: Do you recall the year he became the Postmaster? R: I don't know for sure. When I first worked here, when I sold money orders, I had to
turn them in to him, so he was in the Register Division. I can't tell you exactly when.


B: He was a longtime Postmaster.






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R: He sure was. I would think he got to be Postmaster in 1939, but I can't tell you what
month.

B: He did a history of Gainesville and Alachua County. Did he do that after he retired
from the Post Office?

R: No, he did that all along. He and his wife, Ruth, were school teachers before he went
to the Post Office, so he was very interested in history and he did that over a period of
many years. He might have published it after he got done.

B: I remember his being Postmaster, but I don't remember when he retired, but I am sure
we could look that up very easily.

R: Yes. I can't tell you when he retired, but it was before I did.

B: What year did you retire?

R: February 1982. 1 worked for 45 years and 2 months.

B: I know you have done some very interesting things in your years of retirement.
Please tell us about those.

R: I do a lot of church work. I used to do more than I do now. I am an elder in the
Highlands Presbyterian Church. I drive cars for a dealership, mostly Gatorland.
They have Acura, Toyota, and Kia dealerships, and they keep me fairly busy. Two or
three times a week I am doing trips for them. B: Where do you go on those trips?

R: No telling! All over the state of Florida and I've been to Atlanta several times for
them. I've been to Fort Walton Beach, but usually it's Tampa, Jacksonville, and the
Orlando area.

B: What are you doing? Are you driving a new car that somebody has purchased?

R: Sometimes I am taking a car from here to there because they want a particular one.

B: The dealerships?

R: Yes, but most of the time I am going down there and swapping a car for one that
somebody wants here. They have sold a car or may have a potential buyer for a car,
so they send me. They may not have the right color or something like that. B: How interesting. Do you ever get to take Mrs. Reames on those trips?

R: She has a bad back, so she doesn't like to ride, not very comfortable for her.






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B: Are you ever overnight on those trips or is it usually a day trip?

R: It's usually a day trip. The only exception is when I go to Atlanta. When I go there, I
sometimes spend the night, but most of the time I just go get it and get it back as
quickly as I can.

B: I'm sure that keeps you very active. That's wonderful. It's like a second career.

R: I appreciate being able to do it.

B: Are there any particular hopes or wishes that you have for the Gainesville
community? Do you have anything that you would like to tell the tape that you
would like to see happen in Gainesville?

R: Well, I don't know. It's a fine place to live. I have been here since 1923 and I
wouldn't think of living anywhere else. The only thing is I wish it would stay small.
It's getting so big.

B: I can appreciate your saying that. I came here in 1948, and I thought it was a goodsized town then, and it certainly has grown rapidly. But most of the changes that
have taken place have been for the better, don't you think?

R: I think so, but it bothers us that everything has moved to the west. They don't think
that people over here need anything.

B: I think that's true. There was more open space west of Gainesville and it continues
toward Newberry, but eventually it will get back and reclaim the older areas of
Gainesville. Some progress has been made in that, particularly downtown.

R: Yes. Another man that I need to mention here is Pat Keeter, who owned the ShawKeeter Ford dealership. He started it. He bought Mr. Shaw out. For many, many
years he was the Ford dealer.

B: He kept the name of Shaw & Keeter, didn't he?

R: He kept the name, yes. They eventually moved down on North Main Street. He was
one of a kind. When he got cars in, he paid for them. When he sold them, he financed them, so he made a lot of money. He was good with that money. You would see Dr. W.C. Thomas in a Ford car, and I am sure he donated it to him, because he was the main physician here. The same with Preacher Gordon. He
always drove a Ford car, and I'm sure that Pat Keeter made it worth his while.

B: They both were illustrious citizens and there are many, many people in Gainesville
that Dr. Thomas delivered.






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R: Let me back up and tell you about Pat Keeter and Jess Davis. They were good friends
and they were the ones that got the V.A. Hospital in Gainesville. They made many trips to Washington to lobby for getting that Veterans Hospital here and selling those
people on Gainesville being the correct place to have it.

B: It's great that we have the V.A. Hospital here. Do you take advantage of that as a
veteran?

R: I certainly do. Another man I need to mention is Bill Shands. He was in advertising.
When I first met him, he was in the Boy Scouts. The man had a lot of money and a lot of power and all that. I said something to him and said, "Mr. Stands," and he
said, "Call me Bill." I tell you that's why the hospital was named after him.

B: He was certainly a wonderful state senator. Do you know how many years he served
as our senator?

R: No, I don't but it was a long time and he did a lot of good for Gainesville. B: He certainly had a lot of foresight when he brought the medical center here. That
made such a difference in the growth of the University of Florida and of Gainesville.

Do you have any other people you would like to mention? R: Well, I mentioned Dr. W.C. Thomas.

B: Was he your family doctor?

R: Yes. Another one was our longtime preacher, Bill Shea. I guess he was minister at
the Highlands Presbyterian Church for 33 years. B: He's still living, isn't he?

R: Yes. He's down in Orlando at a Presbyterian home.

B: Is his wife still living?

R: Yes, but she has Alzheimer's.

B: I'm sorry to hear that.

R: He preached in Crescent City after he left here. You know a preacher never retires!
When he got to be 70 years old, he had to retire. They sent him to Crescent City as an interim minister for six months, but he was there about sixteen years, so he was an old man. He's now completely retired and lives in the Presbyterian home in Orlando.
His wife needed the care that they could give her.






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B: Do they have a son in Orlando?

R: Yes.

B: Well, that's nice that they are near their son.

R: He's not in too good health either. Well, when Bill Shea got to be 70 years old and
had to retire, he had been with us for 33 years. That was an awesome deal to get somebody to take his place. What happened - and I think this is the first time in the Presbyterian Church - we had co-pastors for a year and Bill Shea and Cliff Lyda worked together. Actually, it was longer than a year, so the transition wasn't as bad as it could have been. Cliff Lyda is still there some 13 or 14 years later, and we love
him just like we did Bill Shea.

B: Are there any other people you would like to mention or any other recollections about
Gainesville to tell the tape?

R: One thing I would like to mention about Gainesville when we first came here were
the trees. On University Avenue, where the school administration building is, the trees were so big they went right across the street. The th same thing on East Main Street. We lived on Alabama Street, which is just off of 6 Street, and they had trees all over, so we used to have a lot of beautiful trees here in Gainesville, and I miss
that.

B: Well, we're still known as the Tree City.

R: Yes, but it's not like it used to be.

B: Progress does take away some of the beauty, but the City of Gainesville has done a
lot about replanting trees on streets that have been built, and I think it's nice that they
are doing that.

R: Oh yes.

B: If you are up in some of the taller buildings in the city and look out over the city, you
still see the beautiful treetops. It's gorgeous.

R: Something else I need to mention is that back then Main Street stopped at Boundary
Street, which is 8th Avenue now. If you go north on Main Street, you would have to
go down Boundary Street and go out on what is now 6 th Street.

Something else in that area, just south of Boundary Street, is a street called Pistol Alley. I don't know whether it's now S.W. Ist Terrace, or something like that now. It
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B: I came to Gainesville in 1948 and if someone said, "Let's go look at the new homes
being built," the houses were on N.W. 10 th Avenue between 6 th and 13th Streets.

R: When I first started carrying Route 3, it started at the comer of what's now 6 th Street
and 8 th Avenue and went north, all that area in there, and ended up at 13 th Street and
8 th Avenue, so there have been a lot of changes. B: Did you say earlier that was a 30 mile route? R: It is smaller than that now, but it started out as a 30 mile route. When I had it, it was
68 miles long. It went out west toward Brooker and all that. I can't think what they
call that road, but it's at the end of 39 th Avenue. B: It used to be called the Farnsworth Road. R: Yes. I went down the Farnsworth Road and came in where 23 rd is. B: You had a very large area. How many hours did it take you to cover that route each
day?

R: To begin with, it wasn't so bad, but it built up so much that I have delivered mail at
eleven o'clock at night, over here on 13 th Street just north of the Presbyterian Church.
That was during Christmas. When they finally cut the route down, it was a lot better.
They cut that part off of it.

B: When you worked those long hours, did you get paid extra? R: No. Back then, that was the reason they left it like that. You got paid per mile. How
many hours I had to work didn't enter into it.

B: During what period of time did they make the changes? R: I can't tell you that.

B: Was it in the 40's or 50's?

R: I think it would have been in the late 1940's when I got back from service. They
changed it to where they would evaluate the route and count the number of stops and how much mail you had and put it in a computer and then they would pay you
according to the evaluation.

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B: So you retired in 1982 as a caffier. I am sure you made many friends along your mail
route.

R: Well, I did. I loved them and they loved me. I took over from a guy who never had
time for anybody. All he was worried about was getting through. He never said, "Good coming," or anything like that, so they didn't care much for him. I figured when I went out there, those people were paying my salary and it would be better to have friends than just patrons, so I tried to make friends with them, and it worked.
They kept us in vegetables and everything. I had to buy a second freezer to take care
of all the fresh vegetables!

B: How nice. I know they appreciated you.

R: One night one guy said, "Earl, do you like corn?" I said, "I sure do." He said, "I'll
leave some out here by the box tomorrow." When I got there, there were two bushel
hampers of roasting ears.

B: That's wonderful. Do you have any other thoughts you would like to tell the tape or
have you covered all the items you would like to share?

R: One thing is the Opera House.

B: Please tell us about Gainesville's Opera House.

R: It never was an opera house when we got here, but it had been. It's on the southwest
corner where Cox Fumiture used to be.

B: Harry's Restaurant is there now.

R: Yes. It was kind of in the back. You came into it from the front because it had a
sloping floor and the stage and everything. The only thing I ever saw in that Opera
House was boxing matches.

B: How often did they have boxing matches?

R: I don't know. I would think once a week or something like that. Something else I
need to tell you about was in that same area, the Hippodrome. On the west side of the street was the Lyric Theater, and for a long time that was the only theater in Gainesville. I can remember my folks going there and it cost 250 for them and 100 for the kids up to age 5 or something like that. When we got old enough so they had
to pay 250, they cut back on it.

B: That was still in the late 40's or probably into the 50's, wasn't it, that the Lyric
Theater was there?


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B: They had a newer theater on West University Avenue called the Florida Theater. I
guess most of the University of Florida students went to the Florida Theater, but a lot
of the old residents of Gainesville went to the Lyric.

R: Yes.

B: Are there any other areas you would like to talk about?

R: On 6 th Street at University Avenue, where they have that narrow place, the building is
still there. It was called the T&J Railroad Station. The Tampa & Jacksonville Railroad. I don't ever remember seeing a train on those tracks. The train used to run all the way down Main Street. I can remember working at the Post Office during the night and listening to the train trying to get up that hill going north on Main Street. It doesn't look like much of an elevation, but a train, especially a heavily loaded train,
would have a time getting up there.

B: It was probably more of an elevation then than it is today. Is that correct?

R: I don't think so. You know it's kind of a gradual elevation, but I don't think it's any
worse now than it was then.

B: They took a lot of passengers up to what was then the White House Hotel.

R: Yes. When the train came in from the north, it would stop at the White House Hotel
and let off any passengers who wanted to get out there before it would go on to the
station, which was where the First Union Bank is now.

B: The White House Hotel had a wonderful dining room, didn't it?

R: It sure did. We used to save up money to go for a Sunday dinner sometimes, not
every Sunday because it cost $1.00. The hotel went all the way through and covered
that whole half block.

B: Do you know what building is located now where the White House Hotel used to be?
Is it Sun Bank?

R: I think so. Do you know where the Williams-Thomas Funeral Home is? It was right
across from there.

B: I think it used to be Sun Bank but is now called Sun Trust.


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B: That's interesting. Everybody in that period of time knew about the White House
Hotel. Do you have any other knowledge about the Thomas Hotel. Was that about
the same period of time?

R: I can remember when the Thomas Hotel was a private residence. I think it was Major
Thomas that lived there. He built it for a home and I don't know what made him
decide to turn it into a hotel, but he did.

B: It certainly made a beautiful hotel and now it's used by the City of Gainesville for
meetings and I guess offices are there too.

R: Yes. I don't know whether the city inherited it or bought it, but they use it. B: They have done a beautiful job restoring it. The Duck Pond area is an interesting area
in Gainesville. Did you ever work as a mail carrier in that area?

R: No. The guy that had that route had it the whole time that I was a city carrier. But I
played there as a kid in the Sweetwater Branch. B: Were ducks there then?

R: Yes. I don't know how they got there, but they were there. We did catch tadpoles
and all that kind of stuff.

B: That was a beautiful spot for young boys to go play. R: Yes. When we were first in Gainesville, we moved frequently and one of the places
we lived was actually on Sweetwater Branch, not Main Street but the next street over. B: I think that would be N.W. 1 " Street, wouldn't it? R: Yes, but there was a house on the northwest comer. It backed up to Sweetwater
Branch and we lived in that house for a while. That's when I would play in the creek. B: It must have been a great place to play. R: It sure was. They offered to sell that land to my dad for $500. That lot went from the
street by the Sweetwater Branch to the street this side of it, but he couldn't get up the
money to buy it.

B: $500 was a lot of money in those days. R: It sure was. Now it would probably be $25,000. B: If not more. Mr. Reames, do you have anything else on your list that you would like
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R: No, I've covered them all.

B: Mr. Reames, it has been very interesting to talk with you, and I want to thank you
very much for giving me this opportunity. You will be given a copy of the interview
for your records, and, of course, the original will be kept at the Matheson Center. R: Thank you very much, and I will get you a copy of that picture. B: Thank you.




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MATHESON HISTORICAL MUSEUM ORAL HISTORY PROGRAM Interviewee: Earl M. Reames Interviewer: Louise Scales Brown Transcriber: Ruth C. Marston July 22, 2002

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Interview with Earl M. Reames July 22, 2002 1 B: My name is Louise Scales Brown, and I am interviewing Earl Reames at 3400 N.W. 10th Street at Gainesville, Florida, on July 22, 2002. Mr. Reames, will you please state your full name for the tape. R: I am Earl Mitchell Reames. B: The goal of the Matheson Center’s Oral Hi story Program is to collect and preserve the histories of Alachua County by interviewing longtime residents of the area. You and Mrs. Reames have been longtime resi dents of the Gainesville community, and it is indeed a pleasure to interview you at your home. Please begin by talking about your early childhood, where you were born, yo ur parents’ names and other family members. Just tell us about your family background. R: I was born on April 11, 1917, in West Plains, Missouri, a birthplace I share with Porter Wagner. My mother’s name was Frances Lee Pool Reames, and she was born in West Plains. My father’s name wa s Earl Sidney Reames, and he was born in Sikeston, Missouri. They met in West Plai ns. We lived in South Fork, Missouri, which is southwest of West Plains. I had five sisters and two brothers. Two sisters are deceased and one brother. We came to Jacksonville on two weeks’ vaca tion in 1923. We came over here to Gainesville and didn’t have enough money to leav e, so we stayed in Gainesville. I’m glad because I love it here and ha ve lived here ever since. B: That’s a wonderful story. Wher e were you in the eight children? R: I’m the oldest. It was a burden as I ha d to be an example to the rest of them. B: I’m sure you were a good one. Where di d you attend school? Tell us about your elementary and middle and high school years. R: I started in the first grad e here in Gainesville in the building, whic h is now the school administration center. It was a school then. The build ing on this side was the elementary school; the building on the east side was the high school. B: Was it named Kirby-Smith then? R: No. It was Gainesville Elementary School and Gainesville High School. Ruth Peeler was my first grade teacher. She taught for many, many years. I started the first grade over in the room on the southw est corner of the building. B: Did you graduate from that high school? R: No. When I got to the 6th grade, they built the high school down on West University Avenue, so when I got to the 7th grade, which started high school, I went to the West University Avenue building and that’s where I graduated in 1935.

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Interview with Earl M. Reames July 22, 2002 2 B: When and where did you meet Mrs. Reames? R: Well, I started at the University of Florida in the fall of 1935. In the fall of 1936, I had taken the Railway Mail Service examination and the Clerk Carrier examination, to work in the Post Office. My father was a mail carrier for the Post Office, so he encouraged me to take these exams. I’m glad I did because I worked for the Post Office for 45 years. In December 1936, they called me to Jacks onville to work during Christmas. Back then, all the mail business happened about a we ek prior to Christmas, so they needed extra help. They called me to work in the Railway Mail Service terminal there on West Main Street during the Christmas rush. I had a friend, Henry Chubb, who was also on the list. They called him and he went a day or two before I did. He rented a room in a rooming house, so I just stayed with him while we were working there. Henry and I had a room on the second floor. It was a great big room and it had a porch that they had made into a kitchen with a stove. It was really an apartment, but we didn’t do any cooking. When I walked in, this good-looking young ga l came walking down the stairs to use the telephone, which was downstairs. She said, “I know who you are.” I said, “Who am I?” She said, “You’re Henry’s friend.” I said, “That’s right.” Anyway, her folks had an apartment on the third floor. We used to sit on the stairs and she would talk about her boyfriend and I would talk about my girlfriend. It was just a platonic relationship, and she was good company. I ne eded somebody to talk with I guess she did, too. So that’s where we met. Of course, I only work ed there two weeks and then came back to Gainesville. B: Were you still a student at the University of Florida? R: Not then. The next time I went over ther e to work when the Christmas rush was over, the Nashville, Tennessee, term inal had been flooded out an d they needed extra help. I was up high on the list and they said I co uld stay longer. They were paying 75 an hour, which back then was very good money. So I stayed. By then, Walter Winslow was working there and he and I were good frie nds, so he moved in with me. We kept that place for five months or so. I saw her quite a bit and we talked a lot – nothing serious, but we enjoyed each other’s company. Then I came back here and I didn’t go back to school. It just didn’t work out. I hadn’t saved the rest of the money for my education, so I droppe d out of school. I went back to Missouri because my folks liv ed there, and I didn’t have the money to stay here. I came back in the fall to work again for the mail service. B: Was that 1937 by then?

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Interview with Earl M. Reames July 22, 2002 3 R: Yes. Anyway, on March 1, 1939, I got a te mporary appointment in the Gainesville Post Office. You always start out as a te mporary and move on up. So I moved back to Gainesville. I kept going back to Jacksonville to see her, and on September 30, 1939, we got married and she moved over here. B: Where was your wedding? R: In the First Presbyterian Church in Jack sonville. That church still stands. It’s isolated. It’s right downtow n but it’s so well endowed that they still have services there. B: That’s wonderful. R: We haven’t been there in a while, but we have been back several times. B: After your marriage, you have always lived in Gainesville? R: Yes. The only time I didn’t live here was when I was in the service, but she stayed here. I served in the Pacific. B: What branch of the service were you in? R: I was in the 98th Infantry Division. I served most of my time in the Hawaiian Islands. Everybody grins when I say that because th e weather’s perfect and the scenery is beautiful, and all that, but if you have ever been to Hawaii, there are more Japanese living there than any other race and, of course, somebody was getting information from somebody there. Our primary mission was security of the Hawaiian Islands. B: Were you there when Pearl Harbor was struck? R: No. I got there in March 1944, not too long after but not right after. You could still see the effects of it. B: Do you and Mrs. Reames have children? R: Yes. We have two fine sons. The oldest is Johnny. He’s a librarian out at Santa Fe Community College. He was born November 9, 1943, which is the same day that I was inducted into the service. Joe was born on December 21, 1946. B: What is his career? R: He is an analyst and works at Fort Rucker, which is the aviation center for the Army. He started out in the service as a helicopter pilot. When he retired from the service, he got a job in research and development and stayed at Fort Rucker. He has a Masters in Aerospace Engineering.

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Interview with Earl M. Reames July 22, 2002 4 B: Wonderful. Did he attend the University of Florida? R: He graduated from the University of Flor ida, but his degree in Aerospace Engineering is through Embry Riddle. They have a satel lite university in Fort Rucker, so that’s where he got his Masters. B: Where is Fort Rucker? R: Enterprise, Alabama. B: I thought that’s where it is . That’s my home state. R: Is that right! You know where Dothan is. B: Yes. R: It’s kind of that way. B: I was thinking it might be in South Alabama, but I was not sure. Do you have grandchildren? R: Yes. We’ve got two grandsons, both of th em in Atlanta. One of them is Joseph Mitchell, Jr., and the other one is Richar d Travis. We’re about to have a greatgrandchild. Joseph’s wife is pregnant and on the 13th of August she is supposed to deliver a boy. B: Well, that will be a grea t celebration! Would you like to talk about the changes that have occurred in Gainesville and Alac hua County since you have lived here? R: Of course, they have really been drama tic. When we first came to Gainesville, we lived on Masonic Street. You know where the First Presbyterian Church is now. B: On S.W. 2nd Avenue. R: Okay. They had two big rooming houses in the block just this side of the church. At that time, where the church property is, there was a fence. That was a farmhouse and it belonged to the sheriff, whose name was Pinkoson, and he had a farmhouse where the First Presbyterian Church is now. We lived up this way in one of those rooming houses. You know where the old Commercial Hotel wa s, on the corner of West Main Street South and Masonic Avenue, where the ne w courthouse administration building is being built, there was the Maggie Tebeau school for young ladies, which was a big deal back in those days.

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Interview with Earl M. Reames July 22, 2002 5 B: It was a very interesting looking building. Had that been the Tebeau residence before it became a school? R: I don’t know, but I suspect so. It was a pretty good-sized building and it would be rather large for a home. Just south of that in the next block was a great big 2-story rooming house that Ms McCormick ran. She was a teacher and she taught me in the second grade. I can also remember sitting on the court house square and watching them put bricks down around the courthouse. The only paving in Gainesville at that time was about an 8-foot strip on what is now 6th Street and University Avenue , and it went to what is now 13th Street, which then was 9th Street. University was where it is now, but they didn’t have the buildings that they have now. B: The brick pavement didn’t go very far east then, is that right? R: The only brick pavement was around the c ourthouse. I don’t know when they paved East University Avenue or bricked it, whatev er. I suspect that they bricked it first. The bricks were long, proba bly 12” long and 6” wide. B: You mentioned that what is now 13th was 9th Street. Was that still the entrance to the University of Florida? R: Yes. An interesting thing is that 9th Streeet only went as far as 4th Avenue, old Seminary Street. B: Which is now N.W. 4th Avenue, is that correct? R: 5th Avenue, where the Florida Pharmacy used to be. That was the end of it. It was kind of downhill into a valley. You couldn’t go through that area. You could walk but couldn’t drive a car down it. B: Actually, at that point in time, th ere were not many paved streets around the University of Florida campus, right? R: That’s right. I started at the University in the fall of 1935 and was in the first class to have 1000 men in it. Of course, back then they didn’t have wo men. There were 3000 students at the University at that point. B: That’s interesting. So 1000 of th e 3000 were in your Freshman class. R: That’s right. B: You mentioned earlier how you happened to become a postal carrier. Would you like to share some interesting stories with us . You said you were there for over forty years.

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Interview with Earl M. Reames July 22, 2002 6 R: Yes. I worked for the Post Office in Ga inesville for 45 years and 2 months, and from all the research I have done, nobody has come close to that. My father was a rural carrier, but he died when he was 47 so he worked only a short time. When he got his rural carrier appointment, it was a political payoff. My dad was a Republican, one of the few Republicans in Gainesville at that time. We’re talking about 1925. They had a rural route come open. It was a politic al plum and he was a Republican and Mr. Lynch, who was the Postmaster at the time, was a Republican, so my dad got the job. It was during the Depression and he needed that job. He was keeping books for the First National Bank, and before that was work ing six days a week in a grocery store from before daylight to after dark for $10 a week, so he was glad to get that job as a rural carrier. B: Do you know what his sala ry was as a rural carrier? R: It seems to me that it was $1,200 a year. He was happy to get it. I do know that his equipment allowance for that route was 4 a mile, so he bought a new Model T Ford to drive that route in. His route was Route 3. He took over from a man who delivered it with a horse a nd buggy. This route was 30 mile s long, and this man had a horse staked out somewhere about half way through the route. He would drive there and swap horses and finish the route. Wh en dad got the route, he bought a Model T Ford and delivered in that. B: I am sure none of those roads were pave d. They probably were more like sandy lanes at that time. R: Yes. Route 3 goes out toward LaCrosse, out over 6th Street and where the Highway Patrol station is now. B: Did he go all the way in to LaCrosse on his route? R: Yes. He took a locked pouch, all the Gain esville mail, to LaCrosse on that route. They didn’t have other connections. B: They must have had a Post Office in LaCrosse. R: Yes. B: So they depended on him for bringing the ma il from Gainesville to their Post Office. R: Yes. He got extra money for carryi ng that pouch. I don’t know how much – probably $5 or $6 a year. B: Was all your work at the Post Office or were you also a mail carrier?

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Interview with Earl M. Reames July 22, 2002 7 R: I started out in the Railway Mail Servi ce in Jacksonville but th at was temporary. When you start at the Post Office, it is as a temporary. Then you go to a substitute. Then you get to be a regular substitute, then a regular. All my work in Jacksonville was as a temporary, but the 1st of March in 1939 I got a temporary appointment in Gainesville, so I came back to Gainesville. The examination was for a clerk carrier. That meant you were just a flunky. Anyplace th ey needed you in the Post Office is where you worked. I started out as a distri bution clerk, working with what they call “flats.” Then I moved to where you sorted letters. Everything was, of course, done by hand then. Then the way it worked, you took the clerk carrier exam and the first job that came up, if you wanted it, you got it. The first one that came up was for a substitute appointment as a city carrier. At that time, they had an agreement that the blacks got all the walking jobs and the white people got the jobs distributing the mail in the Post Office. So the first job was for a city carrier, a nd I took it. Everybody looked at me, but I said, “It’ s a job and I’m going to do it.” So I had it. I was the second white carrier in the Gainesville Post Office. B: What route did you have? R: As a substitute you just relieve other carriers. When I finally got a regular appointment, it was on Route 10, which was th e University of Florida campus plus the residential area around where Norman Hall is now. I delivered the campus mail in a little two-wheeled push cart. I delivered all of it, including all the books and everything for the library, so I thought I had died and gone to heaven when they started sending all the books out there on the parcel post truck. I don’t know how many years, but for a long time, the only truck they had was a Model A Ford and when he started hauling my packages to the library at the University, I thought I really had it made. B: That really lightened your load. R: As I said, it was down around Norman Ha ll, which was P.K. Yonge School then. There was a street called Margaret Str eet. I had one place where I went around behind the home to deliver mail to a garage apartment at the back. Mr. Wilson was driving the parcel post truck and he pulled up in front and I went around in back to deliver mail to that apartment. When I came back out front, he said, “What did you do to that truck?” I said, “What do you mean? I didn’t touch it, believe me.” He had left the brake off and that truck had rolled down a hill into a ditc h. I guess it didn’t get down in the water but it was down ther e where you couldn’t ev en see it with the bushes and stuff. B: Is that the little stream that crosses S.W. 13th Street that runs through that neighborhood in that area? R: No. You know where 6th Street crosses 4th Avenue, where Dr. Hazouri’s office is. B: Yes.

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Interview with Earl M. Reames July 22, 2002 8 R: It’s the next little street over to the south. That was an experience all right. B: That’s interesting. So the tr uck ended up in th e little stream. R: Yes. B: Tell me about organizations in Ga inesville that you have belonged to. R: Well, I was a volunteer with the Boy Sc outs for 21 years. I think they have a wonderful program, and I still contribute mone y once in a while to them. I belonged to the Order there. I got the Silver Beaver for work I did in the Boy Scouts. I am a Vigil Honor member of the Order of th e Arrow, which is a leadership group. B: Membership in the Order of the Arrow is indeed an honor. R: I was lay advisor for the Order of the Arrow for the North Florida Council. B: Now, you were married in the Presbyterian Church in Jacksonville. Did you continue your membership in the Presbyterian Chur ch? Are you active in a church here? R: When we first came here, we went to th e First Presbyterian Church. Preacher Gordon was here. If you were a member of the Pres byterian Church, that’s the one to belong to. After a few years, we started going to Grace Presby terian Church. I don’t know how, but then we started going to the Highla nds and we have been there for some 40 years now. B: Well, Reverend Shea was a longtime pastor of Highlands, and many people left other churches to attend Highlands. R: He was a real, special individual. B: Mr. Reames, this is so in teresting. I wonder if you would like to talk about special people or places or events that had a special influence on your life in Gainesville, or any stories that you would like to tell. R: When I first went to work for the Post O ffice, it was in what is now the Hippodrome. Just north on the right-hand side back th en, Shaw & Keeter had a Ford dealership, right there on the corner in front of the Post Office. It didn’t take them long to move down on University Avenue – two or three years – and when they moved, Chevrolet took over that same place. One person I would like to mention is L ouis Pennisi. When we first came to Gainesville, he was making ice cream in a little shed behind the old Commercial Hotel. He had a little push cart, and he drove all around Gainesville , which at that time was not a big deal, and sold ice cream cones. Of course, it was about 1928 when

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Interview with Earl M. Reames July 22, 2002 9 he moved down where he is now and star ted making hamburgers. His hamburgers were made off of his mother’s meatloaf reci pe. That was the firs t hamburger joint in Gainesville. Another interesting thing about the town was that it had two main streets. I mentioned West Main Street, which is now Main Street. That had a North and a South on it. University Avenue runs east and west. East Main was a block east of there and it had East Main North and East Main South. B: That is the street that now runs on the east side of the County Administration Building? R: Yes, where the Episcopal Church is now. B: And there’s a clock there now, isn’t there, where City Hall is? R: The story of that clock is that it used to be in the old courthouse before they tore it down. When they tore the courthouse dow n, the clock was moved over there and it still keeps time! B: That’s right. R: The street that Louis’ hamburger is on used to be Virginia Avenue, I think. B: I’ve heard of that. It’s so interesting that Gainesville went to the quadrant system in the late 1940’s, which lost all th e beautiful names of the streets. R: I was a walking city postman when they di d that. Talk about trauma! It was a mess trying to get those names straight when th ey changed the street names to numbers. B: I’m sure there are a lot of people who stil l refer to the streets by their names rather than the numbers. R: You look on the signs and you’ll see that a lot of them have the old names, too. B: Yes, that’s good that they have done that. R: I remember when we first came to Gainesville, the First Baptist Church was where that clock is now, in front of City Hall on East University. B: I remember when we talked at your in itial interview that you mentioned that your father was out delivering mail and there was an incident that he ha d and that you have a picture of. I am glad that you are sharing that picture with us. Maybe we can get a copy and put it in your file at the Matheson Ce nter. Please tell us about the incident.

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Interview with Earl M. Reames July 22, 2002 10 R: Of course. My father was a rural carrier. Part of his route was the extension of N.W. 16th Avenue, which was then Michigan Avenue. B: So Michigan became 16th Avenue. R: Yes. He pulled up to a mailbox. It was one of those old flat-top mailboxes. I don’t know if you have ever seen them or not, but they had a lid and you just lifted it up. B: I’ve seen those. I grew up in a rural community in Alabama. R: You did? Well, he stopped and lifted th at thing to put the mail in, and he heard something crack. He was driving an old Fo rd roadster, a one-seat car with a cloth top. He looked back and when he did a tree fell between him and the steering wheel. On the side that the steering wheel was on, it had a big knot th at went through the spokes, so he was real lucky that the Lord was looking out for him. B: He was not injured at all? R: Well, he was kind of scared but he was not injured at all. B: That was fortunate. R: He pushed back against the seat and slid out under the tree. He was very fortunate. B: In looking at the picture, it certainly proves that he was ve ry fortunate to come out of that okay. I do hope we can get a copy of that picture. It would be very interesting to have that in your file. R: I’ve got one I can give to you. B: Are there any other recollections th at you would like to share with us? R: Jess Davis was the Postmaster when I went to work there. He and my father were real good friends because he lived on my fath er’s route. My dad encouraged me to take the examinations when I was in high school and I made good grades on both of them. Eventually, I could have gotten a job from both of them, but I preferred to be here in Gainesville so I took that job wh en I got a permanent appointment. He and my dad were real good friends, so he kind of monitored me in the Post Office. B: Do you recall the year he became the Postmaster? R: I don’t know for sure. When I first worked here, when I sold money orders, I had to turn them in to him, so he was in the Re gister Division. I can’t tell you exactly when. B: He was a longtime Postmaster.

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Interview with Earl M. Reames July 22, 2002 11 R: He sure was. I would th ink he got to be Postmaster in 1939, but I can’t tell you what month. B: He did a history of Gainesville and Alac hua County. Did he do that after he retired from the Post Office? R: No, he did that all along. He and his wi fe, Ruth, were school teachers before he went to the Post Office, so he was very interested in history and he did that over a period of many years. He might have published it after he got done. B: I remember his being Postmaster, but I don’ t remember when he retired, but I am sure we could look that up very easily. R: Yes. I can’t tell you when he retired, but it was before I did. B: What year did you retire? R: February 1982. I worked for 45 years and 2 months. B: I know you have done some very interesting things in your ye ars of retirement. Please tell us about those. R: I do a lot of church work. I used to do more than I do now. I am an elder in the Highlands Presbyterian Churc h. I drive cars for a deal ership, mostly Gatorland. They have Acura, Toyota, and Kia dealership s, and they keep me fairly busy. Two or three times a week I am doing trips for them. B: Where do you go on those trips? R: No telling! All over the state of Florid a and I’ve been to Atlanta several times for them. I’ve been to Fort Walton Beach, but usually it’s Tampa, Jacksonville, and the Orlando area. B: What are you doing? Are you drivin g a new car that somebody has purchased? R: Sometimes I am taking a car from here to there because they want a particular one. B: The dealerships? R: Yes, but most of the time I am going down there and swapping a car for one that somebody wants here. They have sold a car or may have a potential buyer for a car, so they send me. They may not have th e right color or something like that. B: How interesting. Do you ever get to take Mrs. Reames on those trips? R: She has a bad back, so she doesn’t like to ride, not very comfortable for her.

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Interview with Earl M. Reames July 22, 2002 12 B: Are you ever overnight on those tr ips or is it usually a day trip? R: It’s usually a day trip. Th e only exception is when I go to Atlanta. When I go there, I sometimes spend the night, but most of the tim e I just go get it and get it back as quickly as I can. B: I’m sure that keeps you very active. Th at’s wonderful. It’s like a second career. R: I appreciate being able to do it. B: Are there any particular hopes or wi shes that you have for the Gainesville community? Do you have anything that you would like to tell the tape that you would like to see happen in Gainesville? R: Well, I don’t know. It’s a fine place to live. I have been here since 1923 and I wouldn’t think of living anywhere else. The only thing is I wish it would stay small. It’s getting so big. B: I can appreciate your saying that. I came here in 1948, and I thought it was a goodsized town then, and it certainly has grow n rapidly. But most of the changes that have taken place have been for the better, don’t you think? R: I think so, but it bothers us that everyt hing has moved to the we st. They don’t think that people over here need anything. B: I think that’s true. There was more ope n space west of Gainesville and it continues toward Newberry, but eventually it will ge t back and reclaim the older areas of Gainesville. Some progress has been made in that, particularly downtown. R: Yes. Another man that I need to men tion here is Pat Keeter, who owned the ShawKeeter Ford dealership. He started it. He bought Mr. Shaw out. For many, many years he was the Ford dealer. B: He kept the name of Shaw & Keeter, didn’t he? R: He kept the name, yes. They eventua lly moved down on North Main Street. He was one of a kind. When he got cars in, he pa id for them. When he sold them, he financed them, so he made a lot of m oney. He was good with that money. You would see Dr. W.C. Thomas in a Ford car , and I am sure he donated it to him, because he was the main physician here. The same with Preacher Gordon. He always drove a Ford car, and I’m sure that Pat Keeter made it worth his while. B: They both were illustrious citizens and there are many, many people in Gainesville that Dr. Thomas delivered.

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Interview with Earl M. Reames July 22, 2002 13 R: Let me back up and tell you about Pat Keet er and Jess Davis. They were good friends and they were the ones that got the V.A. Hospital in Gainesville. They made many trips to Washington to lobby for getting that Veterans Hospital here and selling those people on Gainesville being the correct place to have it. B: It’s great that we have the V.A. Hospita l here. Do you take advantage of that as a veteran? R: I certainly do. Another man I need to men tion is Bill Shands. He was in advertising. When I first met him, he was in the Boy Scouts. The man had a lot of money and a lot of power and all that. I said somethi ng to him and said, “Mr. Shands,” and he said, “Call me Bill.” I tell you that’s why the hospital was named after him. B: He was certainly a wonderful state sena tor. Do you know how many years he served as our senator? R: No, I don’t but it was a long time and he did a lot of good for Gainesville. B: He certainly had a lot of foresight when he brought the medical center here. That made such a difference in the growth of th e University of Florida and of Gainesville. Do you have any other people you would like to mention? R: Well, I mentioned Dr. W.C. Thomas. B: Was he your family doctor? R: Yes. Another one was our longtime preach er, Bill Shea. I guess he was minister at the Highlands Presbyterian Church for 33 years. B: He’s still living, isn’t he? R: Yes. He’s down in Orlando at a Presbyterian home. B: Is his wife still living? R: Yes, but she has Alzheimer’s. B: I’m sorry to hear that. R: He preached in Crescent City after he left here. You know a preacher never retires! When he got to be 70 years old, he had to reti re. They sent him to Crescent City as an interim minister for six months, but he was th ere about sixteen years, so he was an old man. He’s now completely retired and liv es in the Presbyterian home in Orlando. His wife needed the care th at they could give her.

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Interview with Earl M. Reames July 22, 2002 14 B: Do they have a son in Orlando? R: Yes. B: Well, that’s nice that they are near their son. R: He’s not in too good health either. Well, when Bill Shea got to be 70 years old and had to retire, he had been with us for 33 years. That was an awesome deal to get somebody to take his place. What happened – a nd I think this is the first time in the Presbyterian Church – we had co-pastors for a year and Bill Shea and Cliff Lyda worked together. Actually, it was longer than a year, so the transition wasn’t as bad as it could have been. Cliff Lyda is still th ere some 13 or 14 years later, and we love him just like we did Bill Shea. B: Are there any other people you would like to mention or any other recollections about Gainesville to tell the tape? R: One thing I would like to mention about Ga inesville when we first came here were the trees. On University Avenue, where the school administration building is, the trees were so big they went right across the street. The same thing on East Main Street. We lived on Alabama Street, which is just off of 6th Street, and they had trees all over, so we used to have a lot of beau tiful trees here in Gainesville, and I miss that. B: Well, we’re still known as the Tree City. R: Yes, but it’s not like it used to be. B: Progress does take away some of the b eauty, but the City of Gainesville has done a lot about replanting trees on stre ets that have been built, and I think it’s nice that they are doing that. R: Oh yes. B: If you are up in some of the taller buildi ngs in the city and lo ok out over the city, you still see the beautiful treetops. It’s gorgeous. R: Something else I need to mention is that back then Main Street stopped at Boundary Street, which is 8th Avenue now. If you go north on Main Street, you would have to go down Boundary Street and go out on what is now 6th Street. Something else in that area, just south of Boundary Street , is a street called Pistol Alley. I don’t know whet her it’s now S.W. 1st Terrace, or something like that now. It was Pistol Alley because they had so many fights and everything down there.

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Interview with Earl M. Reames July 22, 2002 15 B: I came to Gainesville in 1948 and if some one said, “Let’s go look at the new homes being built,” the houses were on N.W. 10th Avenue between 6th and 13th Streets. R: When I first started carrying Route 3, it started at the corner of what’s now 6th Street and 8th Avenue and went north, all that area in there, and ended up at 13th Street and 8th Avenue, so there have been a lot of changes. B: Did you say earlier th at was a 30 mile route? R: It is smaller than that now, but it started out as a 30 mile route. When I had it, it was 68 miles long. It went out west toward Brooker and all that. I can’t think what they call that road, but it ’s at the end of 39th Avenue. B: It used to be called the Farnsworth Road. R: Yes. I went down the Farnsworth Road and came in where 23rd is. B: You had a very large area. How many hour s did it take you to cover that route each day? R: To begin with, it wasn’t so bad, but it built up so much that I have delivered mail at eleven o’clock at night, over here on 13th Street just north of the Presbyterian Church. That was during Christmas. When they fina lly cut the route down, it was a lot better. They cut that part off of it. B: When you worked those long hours, did you get paid extra? R: No. Back then, that was the reason they le ft it like that. You got paid per mile. How many hours I had to work didn’t enter into it. B: During what period of time did they make the changes? R: I can’t tell you that. B: Was it in the 40’s or 50’s? R: I think it would have been in the late 1940’s when I got back from service. They changed it to where they would evaluate th e route and count the number of stops and how much mail you had and put it in a co mputer and then they would pay you according to the evaluation. B: Were you still a carrier at the time you retired? R: Yes.

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Interview with Earl M. Reames July 22, 2002 16 B: So you retired in 1982 as a carrier. I am sure you made many friends along your mail route. R: Well, I did. I loved them and they l oved me. I took over from a guy who never had time for anybody. All he was worried abou t was getting through. He never said, “Good morning,” or anything like that, so they didn’t care much for him. I figured when I went out there, those people were paying my salary and it would be better to have friends than just patrons, so I tried to make friends with them, and it worked. They kept us in vegetables and everything. I had to buy a second freezer to take care of all the fresh vegetables! B: How nice. I know they appreciated you. R: One night one guy said, “Earl, do you like corn ?” I said, “I sure do.” He said, “I’ll leave some out here by the box tomorrow.” When I got there, there were two bushel hampers of roasting ears. B: That’s wonderful. Do you have any other thoughts you would like to tell the tape or have you covered all the items you would like to share? R: One thing is the Opera House. B: Please tell us about Ga inesville’s Opera House. R: It never was an opera house when we got here, but it had been. It’s on the southwest corner where Cox Furniture used to be. B: Harry’s Restaurant is there now. R: Yes. It was kind of in the back. You came into it from the front because it had a sloping floor and the stage and everything. The only thing I ever saw in that Opera House was boxing matches. B: How often did they have boxing matches? R: I don’t know. I would think once a week or something like that. Something else I need to tell you about was in th at same area, the Hippodrome. On the west side of the street was the Lyric Theater, and for a long time that was the only theater in Gainesville. I can remember my folks going there and it cost 25 for them and 10 for the kids up to age 5 or something like th at. When we got old enough so they had to pay 25, they cut back on it. B: That was still in the late 40’s or probabl y into the 50’s, wasn’t it, that the Lyric Theater was there? R: Yes.

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Interview with Earl M. Reames July 22, 2002 17 B: They had a newer theater on West Univer sity Avenue called the Florida Theater. I guess most of the University of Florida stude nts went to the Florida Theater, but a lot of the old residents of Gain esville went to the Lyric. R: Yes. B: Are there any other areas you would like to talk about? R: On 6th Street at University Avenue, where they have that narrow place, the building is still there. It was called the T&J Ra ilroad Station. The Tampa & Jacksonville Railroad. I don’t ever remember seeing a trai n on those tracks. The train used to run all the way down Main Street. I can rememb er working at the Post Office during the night and listening to the train trying to get up that hill going north on Main Street. It doesn’t look like much of an elevation, but a train, especially a heavily loaded train, would have a time getting up there. B: It was probably more of an elevation th en than it is today. Is that correct? R: I don’t think so. You know it’s kind of a gradual elevation, but I don’t think it’s any worse now than it was then. B: They took a lot of passengers up to what was then the White House Hotel. R: Yes. When the train came in from th e north, it would stop at the White House Hotel and let off any passengers who wanted to get out there before it would go on to the station, which was where the First Union Bank is now. B: The White House Hotel had a wonderful dining room, didn’t it? R: It sure did. We used to save up m oney to go for a Sunday dinner sometimes, not every Sunday because it cost $1.00. The hotel went all the way through and covered that whole half block. B: Do you know what building is located now where the White House Hotel used to be? Is it Sun Bank? R: I think so. Do you know where the Williams -Thomas Funeral Home is? It was right across from there. B: I think it used to be Sun Ba nk but is now called Sun Trust. R: Okay, that’s where it was.

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Interview with Earl M. Reames July 22, 2002 18 B: That’s interesting. Everybody in that period of time knew about the White House Hotel. Do you have any other knowledge a bout the Thomas Hotel. Was that about the same period of time? R: I can remember when the Thomas Hotel was a private residence. I think it was Major Thomas that lived there. He built it for a home and I don’t know what made him decide to turn it into a hotel, but he did. B: It certainly made a beautif ul hotel and now it’s used by the City of Gainesville for meetings and I guess offices are there too. R: Yes. I don’t know whether the city i nherited it or bought it , but they use it. B: They have done a beautiful job restoring it. The Duck Pond area is an interesting area in Gainesville. Did you ever work as a mail carrier in that area? R: No. The guy that had that route had it the whole time that I was a city carrier. But I played there as a kid in the Sweetwater Branch. B: Were ducks there then? R: Yes. I don’t know how they got there, but they were there. We did catch tadpoles and all that kind of stuff. B: That was a beautiful spot for young boys to go play. R: Yes. When we were first in Gainesvill e, we moved frequently and one of the places we lived was actually on Sweetwater Branch, not Main Street but the next street over. B: I think that would be N.W. 1st Street, wouldn’t it? R: Yes, but there was a house on the northwe st corner. It backed up to Sweetwater Branch and we lived in that house for a while. That’s when I would play in the creek. B: It must have been a great place to play. R: It sure was. They offered to sell that la nd to my dad for $500. That lot went from the street by the Sweetwater Branch to the street this side of it, but he couldn’t get up the money to buy it. B: $500 was a lot of money in those days. R: It sure was. Now it would probably be $25,000. B: If not more. Mr. Reames, do you have a nything else on your list that you would like to tell the tape?

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Interview with Earl M. Reames July 22, 2002 19 R: No, I’ve covered them all. B: Mr. Reames, it has been ve ry interesting to ta lk with you, and I want to thank you very much for giving me this opportunity. You will be given a c opy of the interview for your records, and, of course, the original will be kept at the Matheson Center. R: Thank you very much, and I will get you a copy of that picture. B: Thank you.


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MATHESON HISTORICAL MUSEUM

ORAL HISTORY PROGRAM


Interviewee: Interviewer: Transcriber:


Earl M. Reames Louise Scales Brown Ruth C. Marston


July 22, 2002




Interview with Earl M. Reames 1
July 22, 2002

B: My name is Louise Scales Brown, and I am interviewing Earl Reames at 3400 N.W.
10th Street at Gainesville, Florida, on July 22, 2002. Mr. Reames, will you please
state your full name for the tape.

R: I am Earl Mitchell Reames.

B: The goal of the Matheson Center's Oral History Program is to collect and preserve
the histories of Alachua County by interviewing longtime residents of the area. You and Mrs. Reames have been longtime residents of the Gainesville community, and it is indeed a pleasure to interview you at your home. Please begin by talking about your early childhood, where you were born, your parents' names and other family
members. Just tell us about your family background.

R: I was born on April 11, 1917, in West Plains, Missouri, a birthplace I share with
Porter Wagner. My mother's name was Frances Lee Pool Reames, and she was born in West Plains. My father's name was Earl Sidney Reames, and he was bomn in Sikeston, Missouri. They met in West Plains. We lived in South Fork, Missouri,
which is southwest of West Plains.

I had five sisters and two brothers. Two sisters are deceased and one brother. We came to Jacksonville on two weeks' vacation in 1923. We came over here to Gainesville and didn't have enough money to leave, so we stayed in Gainesville. I'm
glad because I love it here and have lived here ever since.

B: That's a wonderful story. Where were you in the eight children?

R: I'm the oldest. It was a burden as I had to be an example to the rest of them.

B: I'm sure you were a good one. Where did you attend school? Tell us about your
elementary and middle and high school years.

R: I started in the first grade here in Gainesville in the building, which is now the school
administration center. It was a school then. The building on this side was the
elementary school; the building on the east side was the high school.

B: Was it named Kirby-Smith then?

R: No. It was Gainesville Elementary School and Gainesville High School. Ruth Peeler
was my first grade teacher. She taught for many, many years. I started the first grade
over in the room on the southwest corner of the building.

B: Did you graduate from that high school?

R: No. When I got to the 6th grade, they built the high school down on West University
Avenue, so when I got to the 7t grade, which started high school, I went to the West
University Avenue building and that's where I graduated in 1935.




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B: When and where did you meet Mrs. Reames?

R: Well, I started at the University of Florida in the fall of 1935. In the fall of 1936, I
had taken the Railway Mail Service examination and the Clerk Carrier examination, to work in the Post Office. My father was a mail carrier for the Post Office, so he encouraged me to take these exams. I'm glad I did because I worked for the Post
Office for 45 years.

In December 1936, they called me to Jacksonville to work during Christmas. Back then, all the mail business happened about a week prior to Christmas, so they needed extra help. They called me to work in the Railway Mail Service terminal there on West Main Street during the Christmas rush. I had a friend, Henry Chubb, who was also on the list. They called him and he went a day or two before I did. He rented a room in a rooming house, so I just stayed with him while we were working there.
Henry and I had a room on the second floor. It was a great big room and it had a porch that they had made into a kitchen with a stove. It was really an apartment, but
we didn't do any cooking.

When I walked in, this good-looking young gal came walking down the stairs to use the telephone, which was downstairs. She said, "I know who you are." I said, "Who am I?" She said, "You're Henry's friend." I said, "That's right." Anyway, her folks had an apartment on the third floor. We used to sit on the stairs and she would talk about her boyfriend and I would talk about my girlfriend. It was just a platonic relationship, and she was good company. I needed somebody to talk with I guess she did, too. So that's where we met. Of course, I only worked there two weeks and then
came back to Gainesville.

B: Were you still a student at the University of Florida?

R: Not then. The next time I went over there to work when the Christmas rush was over,
the Nashville, Tennessee, terminal had been flooded out and they needed extra help.
I was up high on the list and they said I could stay longer. They were paying 750 an hour, which back then was very good money. So I stayed. By then, Walter Winslow was working there and he and I were good friends, so he moved in with me. We kept that place for five months or so. I saw her quite a bit and we talked a lot - nothing
serious, but we enjoyed each other's company.

Then I came back here and I didn't go back to school. It just didn't work out. I hadn't saved the rest of the money for my education, so I dropped out of school. I went back to Missouri because my folks lived there, and I didn't have the money to
stay here. I came back in the fall to work again for the mail service.


B: Was that 1937 by then?




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R: Yes. Anyway, on March 1, 1939, I got a temporary appointment in the Gainesville
Post Office. You always start out as a temporary and move on up. So I moved back to Gainesville. I kept going back to Jacksonville to see her, and on September 30,
1939, we got married and she moved over here.

B: Where was your wedding?

R: In the First Presbyterian Church in Jacksonville. That church still stands. It's
isolated. It's right downtown but it's so well endowed that they still have services
there.

B: That's wonderful.

R: We haven't been there in a while, but we have been back several times.

B: After your marriage, you have always lived in Gainesville?

R: Yes. The only time I didn't live here was when I was in the service, but she stayed
here. I served in the Pacific.

B: What branch of the service were you in?

R: I was in the 98th Infantry Division. I served most of my time in the Hawaiian Islands.
Everybody grins when I say that because the weather's perfect and the scenery is beautiful, and all that, but if you have ever been to Hawaii, there are more Japanese living there than any other race and, of course, somebody was getting information
from somebody there. Our primary mission was security of the Hawaiian Islands.

B: Were you there when Pearl Harbor was struck?

R: No. I got there in March 1944, not too long after but not right after. You could still
see the effects of it.

B: Do you and Mrs. Reames have children?

R: Yes. We have two fine sons. The oldest is Johnny. He's a librarian out at Santa Fe
Community College. He was born November 9, 1943, which is the same day that I
was inducted into the service. Joe was born on December 21, 1946.

B: What is his career?

R: He is an analyst and works at Fort Rucker, which is the aviation center for the Army.
He started out in the service as a helicopter pilot. When he retired from the service, he got a job in research and development and stayed at Fort Rucker. He has a
Masters in Aerospace Engineering.




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B: Wonderful. Did he attend the University of Florida?

R: He graduated from the University of Florida, but his degree in Aerospace Engineering
is through Embry Riddle. They have a satellite university in Fort Rucker, so that's
where he got his Masters.

B: Where is Fort Rucker?

R: Enterprise, Alabama.

B: I thought that's where it is. That's my home state.

R: Is that right! You know where Dothan is.

B: Yes.

R: It's kind of that way.

B: I was thinking it might be in South Alabama, but I was not sure. Do you have
grandchildren?

R: Yes. We've got two grandsons, both of them in Atlanta. One of them is Joseph
Mitchell, Jr., and the other one is Richard Travis. We're about to have a greatgrandchild. Joseph's wife is pregnant and on the 138 of August she is supposed to
deliver a boy.

B: Well, that will be a great celebration! Would you like to talk about the changes that
have occurred in Gainesville and Alachua County since you have lived here?

R: Of course, they have really been dramatic. When we first came to Gainesville, we
lived on Masonic Street. You know where the First Presbyterian Church is now.

B: On S.W. 2nd Avenue.

R: Okay. They had two big rooming houses in the block just this side of the church. At
that time, where the church property is, there was a fence. That was a farmhouse and it belonged to the sheriff, whose name was Pinkoson, and he had a farmhouse where the First Presbyterian Church is now. We lived up this way in one of those rooming
houses.

You know where the old Commercial Hotel was, on the corner of West Main Street South and Masonic Avenue, where the new courthouse administration building is being built, there was the Maggie Tebeau school for young ladies, which was a big
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B: It was a very interesting looking building. Had that been the Tebeau residence before
it became a school?

R: I don't know, but I suspect so. It was a pretty good-sized building and it would be
rather large for a home. Just south of that in the next block was a great big 2-story rooming house that Ms McCormick ran. She was a teacher and she taught me in the
second grade.

I can also remember sitting on the courthouse square and watching them put bricks down around the courthouse. The only paving in Gainesville at that time was about an 8-foot strip on what is now 6th Street and University Avenue, and it went to what is now 13th Street, which then was 9th Street. University was where it is now, but they
didn't have the buildings that they have now.

B: The brick pavement didn't go very far east then, is that right?

R: The only brick pavement was around the courthouse. I don't know when they paved
East University Avenue or bricked it, whatever. I suspect that they bricked it first.
The bricks were long, probably 12" long and 6" wide.

B: You mentioned that what is now 13th was 9th Street. Was that still the entrance to the
University of Florida?

R: Yes. An interesting thing is that 9th Streeet only went as far as 4th Avenue, old
Seminary Street.

B: Which is now N.W. 4th Avenue, is that correct?

R: 5th Avenue, where the Florida Pharmacy used to be. That was the end of it. It was
kind of downhill into a valley. You couldn't go through that area. You could walk
but couldn't drive a car down it.

B: Actually, at that point in time, there were not many paved streets around the
University of Florida campus, right?

R: That's right. I started at the University in the fall of 1935 and was in the first class to
have 1000 men in it. Of course, back then they didn't have women. There were 3000
students at the University at that point.

B: That's interesting. So 1000 of the 3000 were in your Freshman class.

R: That's right.

B: You mentioned earlier how you happened to become a postal carrier. Would you like
to share some interesting stories with us. You said you were there for over forty
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R: Yes. I worked for the Post Office in Gainesville for 45 years and 2 months, and from
all the research I have done, nobody has come close to that. My father was a rural carrier, but he died when he was 47 so he worked only a short time. When he got his rural carrier appointment, it was a political payoff. My dad was a Republican, one of the few Republicans in Gainesville at that time. We're talking about 1925. They had a rural route come open. It was a political plum and he was a Republican and Mr.
Lynch, who was the Postmaster at the time, was a Republican, so my dad got the job.
It was during the Depression and he needed that job. He was keeping books for the First National Bank, and before that was working six days a week in a grocery store from before daylight to after dark for $10 a week, so he was glad to get that job as a
rural carrier.

B: Do you know what his salary was as a rural carrier?

R: It seems to me that it was $1,200 a year. He was happy to get it. I do know that his
equipment allowance for that route was 40 a mile, so he bought a new Model T Ford to drive that route in. His route was Route 3. He took over from a man who delivered it with a horse and buggy. This route was 30 miles long, and this man had a horse staked out somewhere about half way through the route. He would drive there and swap horses and finish the route. When dad got the route, he bought a Model T
Ford and delivered in that.

B: I am sure none of those roads were paved. They probably were more like sandy lanes
at that time.

R: Yes. Route 3 goes out toward LaCrosse, out over 6th Street and where the Highway
Patrol station is now.

B: Did he go all the way into LaCrosse on his route?

R: Yes. He took a locked pouch, all the Gainesville mail, to LaCrosse on that route.
They didn't have other connections.

B: They must have had a Post Office in LaCrosse.

R: Yes.

B: So they depended on him for bringing the mail from Gainesville to their Post Office.

R: Yes. He got extra money for carrying that pouch. I don't know how much
probably $5 or $6 a year.

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R: I started out in the Railway Mail Service in Jacksonville but that was temporary.
When you start at the Post Office, it is as a temporary. Then you go to a substitute.
Then you get to be a regular substitute, then a regular. All my work in Jacksonville was as a temporary, but the 1st of March in 1939 I got a temporary appointment in Gainesville, so I came back to Gainesville. The examination was for a clerk carrier.
That meant you were just a flunky. Anyplace they needed you in the Post Office is where you worked. I started out as a distribution clerk, working with what they call "flats." Then I moved to where you sorted letters. Everything was, of course, done by hand then. Then the way it worked, you took the clerk carrier exam and the first job that came up, if you wanted it, you got it. The first one that came up was for a substitute appointment as a city carrier. At that time, they had an agreement that the blacks got all the walking jobs and the white people got the jobs distributing the mail in the Post Office. So the first job was for a city carrier, and I took it. Everybody looked at me, but I said, "It's a job and I'm going to do it." So I had it. I was the
second white carrier in the Gainesville Post Office.

B: What route did you have?

R: As a substitute you just relieve other carriers. When I finally got a regular
appointment, it was on Route 10, which was the University of Florida campus plus the residential area around where Norman Hall is now. I delivered the campus mail in a little two-wheeled pushcart. I delivered all of it, including all the books and everything for the library, so I thought I had died and gone to heaven when they started sending all the books out there on the parcel post truck. I don't know how many years, but for a long time, the only truck they had was a Model A Ford and when he started hauling my packages to the library at the University, I thought I
really had it made.

B: That really lightened your load.

R: As I said, it was down around Norman Hall, which was P.K. Yonge School then.
There was a street called Margaret Street. I had one place where I went around behind the home to deliver mail to a garage apartment at the back. Mr. Wilson was driving the parcel post truck and he pulled up in front and I went around in back to deliver mail to that apartment. When I came back out front, he said, "What did you do to that truck?" I said, "What do you mean? I didn't touch it, believe me." He had left the brake off and that truck had rolled down a hill into a ditch. I guess it didn't get down in the water but it was down there where you couldn't even see it with the
bushes and stuff

B: Is that the little stream that crosses S.W. 138 Street that runs through that
neighborhood in that area?

R: No. You know where 6th Street crosses 4th Avenue, where Dr. Hazouri's office is.


B: Yes.




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R: It's the next little street over to the south. That was an experience all right.

B: That's interesting. So the truck ended up in the little stream.

R: Yes.

B: Tell me about organizations in Gainesville that you have belonged to.

R: Well, I was a volunteer with the Boy Scouts for 21 years. I think they have a
wonderful program, and I still contribute money once in a while to them. I belonged to the Order there. I got the Silver Beaver for work I did in the Boy Scouts. I am a
Vigil Honor member of the Order of the Arrow, which is a leadership group.

B: Membership in the Order of the Arrow is indeed an honor.

R: I was lay advisor for the Order of the Arrow for the North Florida Council.

B: Now, you were married in the Presbyterian Church in Jacksonville. Did you continue
your membership in the Presbyterian Church? Are you active in a church here?

R: When we first came here, we went to the First Presbyterian Church. Preacher Gordon
was here. If you were a member of the Presbyterian Church, that's the one to belong to. After a few years, we started going to Grace Presbyterian Church. I don't know how, but then we started going to the Highlands and we have been there for some 40
years now.

B: Well, Reverend Shea was a longtime pastor of Highlands, and many people left other
churches to attend Highlands.

R: He was a real, special individual.

B: Mr. Reames, this is so interesting. I wonder if you would like to talk about special
people or places or events that had a special influence on your life in Gainesville, or
any stories that you would like to tell.

R: When I first went to work for the Post Office, it was in what is now the Hippodrome.
Just north on the right-hand side back then, Shaw & Keeter had a Ford dealership, right there on the corner in front of the Post Office. It didn't take them long to move down on University Avenue - two or three years - and when they moved, Chevrolet
took over that same place.

One person I would like to mention is Louis Pennisi. When we first came to Gainesville, he was making ice cream in a little shed behind the old Commercial Hotel. He had a little pushcart, and he drove all around Gainesville, which at that time was not a big deal, and sold ice cream cones. Of course, it was about 1928 when




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he moved down where he is now and started making hamburgers. His hamburgers were made off of his mother's meatloaf recipe. That was the first hamburger joint in
Gainesville.

Another interesting thing about the town was that it had two main streets. I mentioned West Main Street, which is now Main Street. That had a North and a South on it. University Avenue runs east and west. East Main was a block east of
there and it had East Main North and East Main South.

B: That is the street that now runs on the east side of the County Administration
Building?

R: Yes, where the Episcopal Church is now.

B: And there's a clock there now, isn't there, where City Hall is?

R: The story of that clock is that it used to be in the old courthouse before they tore it
down. When they tore the courthouse down, the clock was moved over there and it
still keeps time!

B: That's right.

R: The street that Louis' hamburger is on used to be Virginia Avenue, I think.

B: I've heard of that. It's so interesting that Gainesville went to the quadrant system in
the late 1940's, which lost all the beautiful names of the streets.

R: I was a walking city postman when they did that. Talk about trauma! It was a mess
trying to get those names straight when they changed the street names to numbers.

B: I'm sure there are a lot of people who still refer to the streets by their names rather
than the numbers.

R: You look on the signs and you'll see that a lot of them have the old names, too.

B: Yes, that's good that they have done that.

R: I remember when we first came to Gainesville, the First Baptist Church was where
that clock is now, in front of City Hall on East University.

B: I remember when we talked at your initial interview that you mentioned that your
father was out delivering mail and there was an incident that he had and that you have a picture of. I am glad that you are sharing that picture with us. Maybe we can get a
copy and put it in your file at the Matheson Center. Please tell us about the incident.




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R: Of course. My father was a rural carrier. Part of his route was the extension of N.W.
16th Avenue, which was then Michigan Avenue. B: So Michigan became 16th Avenue.

R: Yes. He pulled up to a mailbox. It was one of those old flat-top mailboxes. I don't
know if you have ever seen them or not, but they had a lid and you just lifted it up. B: I've seen those. I grew up in a rural community in Alabama. R: You did? Well, he stopped and lifted that thing to put the mail in, and he heard
something crack. He was driving an old Ford roadster, a one-seat car with a cloth top. He looked back and when he did a tree fell between him and the steering wheel.
On the side that the steering wheel was on, it had a big knot that went through the
spokes, so he was real lucky that the Lord was looking out for him. B: He was not injured at all?

R: Well, he was kind of scared but he was not injured at all. B: That was fortunate.

R: He pushed back against the seat and slid out under the tree. He was very fortunate. B: In looking at the picture, it certainly proves that he was very fortunate to come out of
that okay. I do hope we can get a copy of that picture. It would be very interesting to
have that in your file.

R: I've got one I can give to you.

B: Are there any other recollections that you would like to share with us? R: Jess Davis was the Postmaster when I went to work there. He and my father were
real good friends because he lived on my father's route. My dad encouraged me to take the examinations when I was in high school and I made good grades on both of them. Eventually, I could have gotten a job from both of them, but I preferred to be here in Gainesville so I took that job when I got a permanent appointment. He and
my dad were real good friends, so he kind of monitored me in the Post Office. B: Do you recall the year he became the Postmaster? R: I don't know for sure. When I first worked here, when I sold money orders, I had to
turn them in to him, so he was in the Register Division. I can't tell you exactly when.


B: He was a longtime Postmaster.




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R: He sure was. I would think he got to be Postmaster in 1939, but I can't tell you what
month.

B: He did a history of Gainesville and Alachua County. Did he do that after he retired
from the Post Office?

R: No, he did that all along. He and his wife, Ruth, were school teachers before he went
to the Post Office, so he was very interested in history and he did that over a period of
many years. He might have published it after he got done.

B: I remember his being Postmaster, but I don't remember when he retired, but I am sure
we could look that up very easily.

R: Yes. I can't tell you when he retired, but it was before I did.

B: What year did you retire?

R: February 1982. I worked for 45 years and 2 months.

B: I know you have done some very interesting things in your years of retirement.
Please tell us about those.

R: I do a lot of church work. I used to do more than I do now. I am an elder in the
Highlands Presbyterian Church. I drive cars for a dealership, mostly Gatorland.
They have Acura, Toyota, and Kia dealerships, and they keep me fairly busy. Two or
three times a week I am doing trips for them. B: Where do you go on those trips?

R: No telling! All over the state of Florida and I've been to Atlanta several times for
them. I've been to Fort Walton Beach, but usually it's Tampa, Jacksonville, and the
Orlando area.

B: What are you doing? Are you driving a new car that somebody has purchased?

R: Sometimes I am taking a car from here to there because they want a particular one.

B: The dealerships?

R: Yes, but most of the time I am going down there and swapping a car for one that
somebody wants here. They have sold a car or may have a potential buyer for a car,
so they send me. They may not have the right color or something like that. B: How interesting. Do you ever get to take Mrs. Reames on those trips?

R: She has a bad back, so she doesn't like to ride, not very comfortable for her.




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B: Are you ever overnight on those trips or is it usually a day trip?

R: It's usually a day trip. The only exception is when I go to Atlanta. When I go there, I
sometimes spend the night, but most of the time I just go get it and get it back as
quickly as I can.

B: I'm sure that keeps you very active. That's wonderful. It's like a second career.

R: I appreciate being able to do it.

B: Are there any particular hopes or wishes that you have for the Gainesville
community? Do you have anything that you would like to tell the tape that you
would like to see happen in Gainesville?

R: Well, I don't know. It's a fine place to live. I have been here since 1923 and I
wouldn't think of living anywhere else. The only thing is I wish it would stay small.
It's getting so big.

B: I can appreciate your saying that. I came here in 1948, and I thought it was a goodsized town then, and it certainly has grown rapidly. But most of the changes that
have taken place have been for the better, don't you think?

R: I think so, but it bothers us that everything has moved to the west. They don't think
that people over here need anything.

B: I think that's true. There was more open space west of Gainesville and it continues
toward Newberry, but eventually it will get back and reclaim the older areas of
Gainesville. Some progress has been made in that, particularly downtown.

R: Yes. Another man that I need to mention here is Pat Keeter, who owned the ShawKeeter Ford dealership. He started it. He bought Mr. Shaw out. For many, many
years he was the Ford dealer.

B: He kept the name of Shaw & Keeter, didn't he?

R: He kept the name, yes. They eventually moved down on North Main Street. He was
one of a kind. When he got cars in, he paid for them. When he sold them, he financed them, so he made a lot of money. He was good with that money. You would see Dr. W.C. Thomas in a Ford car, and I am sure he donated it to him, because he was the main physician here. The same with Preacher Gordon. He
always drove a Ford car, and I'm sure that Pat Keeter made it worth his while.

B: They both were illustrious citizens and there are many, many people in Gainesville
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R: Let me back up and tell you about Pat Keeter and Jess Davis. They were good friends
and they were the ones that got the V.A. Hospital in Gainesville. They made many trips to Washington to lobby for getting that Veterans Hospital here and selling those
people on Gainesville being the correct place to have it.

B: It's great that we have the V.A. Hospital here. Do you take advantage of that as a
veteran?

R: I certainly do. Another man I need to mention is Bill Shands. He was in advertising.
When I first met him, he was in the Boy Scouts. The man had a lot of money and a lot of power and all that. I said something to him and said, "Mr. Shands," and he
said, "Call me Bill." I tell you that's why the hospital was named after him.

B: He was certainly a wonderful state senator. Do you know how many years he served
as our senator?

R: No, I don't but it was a long time and he did a lot of good for Gainesville. B: He certainly had a lot of foresight when he brought the medical center here. That
made such a difference in the growth of the University of Florida and of Gainesville.

Do you have any other people you would like to mention? R: Well, I mentioned Dr. W.C. Thomas.

B: Was he your family doctor?

R: Yes. Another one was our longtime preacher, Bill Shea. I guess he was minister at
the Highlands Presbyterian Church for 33 years. B: He's still living, isn't he?

R: Yes. He's down in Orlando at a Presbyterian home.

B: Is his wife still living?

R: Yes, but she has Alzheimer's.

B: I'm sorry to hear that.

R: He preached in Crescent City after he left here. You know a preacher never retires!
When he got to be 70 years old, he had to retire. They sent him to Crescent City as an interim minister for six months, but he was there about sixteen years, so he was an old man. He's now completely retired and lives in the Presbyterian home in Orlando.
His wife needed the care that they could give her.




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B: Do they have a son in Orlando?

R: Yes.

B: Well, that's nice that they are near their son.

R: He's not in too good health either. Well, when Bill Shea got to be 70 years old and
had to retire, he had been with us for 33 years. That was an awesome deal to get somebody to take his place. What happened - and I think this is the first time in the Presbyterian Church - we had co-pastors for a year and Bill Shea and Cliff Lyda worked together. Actually, it was longer than a year, so the transition wasn't as bad as it could have been. Cliff Lyda is still there some 13 or 14 years later, and we love
him just like we did Bill Shea.

B: Are there any other people you would like to mention or any other recollections about
Gainesville to tell the tape?

R: One thing I would like to mention about Gainesville when we first came here were
the trees. On University Avenue, where the school administration building is, the trees were so big they went right across the street. The same thing on East Main Street. We lived on Alabama Street, which is just off of 6th Street, and they had trees all over, so we used to have a lot of beautiful trees here in Gainesville, and I miss
that.

B: Well, we're still known as the Tree City.

R: Yes, but it's not like it used to be.

B: Progress does take away some of the beauty, but the City of Gainesville has done a
lot about replanting trees on streets that have been built, and I think it's nice that they
are doing that.

R: Oh yes.

B: If you are up in some of the taller buildings in the city and look out over the city, you
still see the beautiful treetops. It's gorgeous.

R: Something else I need to mention is that back then Main Street stopped at Boundary
Street, which is 8th Avenue now. If you go north on Main Street, you would have to
go down Boundary Street and go out on what is now 6 th Street.

Something else in that area, just south of Boundary Street, is a street called Pistol Alley. I don't know whether it's now S.W. 1st Terrace, or something like that now. It
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B: I came to Gainesville in 1948 and if someone said, "Let's go look at the new homes
being built," the houses were on N.W. 10th Avenue between 6th and 13th Streets.

R: When I first started carrying Route 3, it started at the corner of what's now 6th Street
and 8 t Avenue and went north, all that area in there, and ended up at 13 t Street and
8 Avenue, so there have been a lot of changes. B: Did you say earlier that was a 30 mile route? R: It is smaller than that now, but it started out as a 30 mile route. When I had it, it was
68 miles long. It went out west toward Brooker and all that. I can't think what they
call that road, but it's at the end of 39th Avenue. B: It used to be called the Farnsworth Road. R: Yes. I went down the Farnsworth Road and came in where 23rd is. B: You had a very large area. How many hours did it take you to cover that route each
day?

R: To begin with, it wasn't so bad, but it built up so much that I have delivered mail at
eleven o'clock at night, over here on 13th Street just north of the Presbyterian Church.
That was during Christmas. When they finally cut the route down, it was a lot better.
They cut that part off of it.

B: When you worked those long hours, did you get paid extra? R: No. Back then, that was the reason they left it like that. You got paid per mile. How
many hours I had to work didn't enter into it.

B: During what period of time did they make the changes? R: I can't tell you that.

B: Was it in the 40's or 50's?

R: I think it would have been in the late 1940's when I got back from service. They
changed it to where they would evaluate the route and count the number of stops and how much mail you had and put it in a computer and then they would pay you
according to the evaluation.

B: Were you still a carrier at the time you retired? R: Yes.




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B: So you retired in 1982 as a carrier. I am sure you made many friends along your mail
route.

R: Well, I did. I loved them and they loved me. I took over from a guy who never had
time for anybody. All he was worried about was getting through. He never said, "Good morning," or anything like that, so they didn't care much for him. I figured when I went out there, those people were paying my salary and it would be better to have friends than just patrons, so I tried to make friends with them, and it worked.
They kept us in vegetables and everything. I had to buy a second freezer to take care
of all the fresh vegetables!

B: How nice. I know they appreciated you.

R: One night one guy said, "Earl, do you like corn?" I said, "I sure do." He said, "I'll
leave some out here by the box tomorrow." When I got there, there were two bushel
hampers of roasting ears.

B: That's wonderful. Do you have any other thoughts you would like to tell the tape or
have you covered all the items you would like to share?

R: One thing is the Opera House.

B: Please tell us about Gainesville's Opera House.

R: It never was an opera house when we got here, but it had been. It's on the southwest
corner where Cox Furniture used to be.

B: Harry's Restaurant is there now.

R: Yes. It was kind of in the back. You came into it from the front because it had a
sloping floor and the stage and everything. The only thing I ever saw in that Opera
House was boxing matches.

B: How often did they have boxing matches?

R: I don't know. I would think once a week or something like that. Something else I
need to tell you about was in that same area, the Hippodrome. On the west side of the street was the Lyric Theater, and for a long time that was the only theater in Gainesville. I can remember my folks going there and it cost 250 for them and 100 for the kids up to age 5 or something like that. When we got old enough so they had
to pay 250, they cut back on it.

B: That was still in the late 40's or probably into the 50's, wasn't it, that the Lyric
Theater was there?


R: Yes.




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B: They had a newer theater on West University Avenue called the Florida Theater. I
guess most of the University of Florida students went to the Florida Theater, but a lot
of the old residents of Gainesville went to the Lyric.

R: Yes.

B: Are there any other areas you would like to talk about?

R: On 6th Street at University Avenue, where they have that narrow place, the building is
still there. It was called the T&J Railroad Station. The Tampa & Jacksonville Railroad. I don't ever remember seeing a train on those tracks. The train used to run all the way down Main Street. I can remember working at the Post Office during the night and listening to the train trying to get up that hill going north on Main Street. It doesn't look like much of an elevation, but a train, especially a heavily loaded train,
would have a time getting up there.

B: It was probably more of an elevation then than it is today. Is that correct?

R: I don't think so. You know it's kind of a gradual elevation, but I don't think it's any
worse now than it was then.

B: They took a lot of passengers up to what was then the White House Hotel.

R: Yes. When the train came in from the north, it would stop at the White House Hotel
and let off any passengers who wanted to get out there before it would go on to the
station, which was where the First Union Bank is now.

B: The White House Hotel had a wonderful dining room, didn't it?

R: It sure did. We used to save up money to go for a Sunday dinner sometimes, not
every Sunday because it cost $1.00. The hotel went all the way through and covered
that whole half block.

B: Do you know what building is located now where the White House Hotel used to be?
Is it Sun Bank?

R: I think so. Do you know where the Williams-Thomas Funeral Home is? It was right
across from there.

B: I think it used to be Sun Bank but is now called Sun Trust.


R: Okay, that's where it was.




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B: That's interesting. Everybody in that period of time knew about the White House
Hotel. Do you have any other knowledge about the Thomas Hotel. Was that about
the same period of time?

R: I can remember when the Thomas Hotel was a private residence. I think it was Major
Thomas that lived there. He built it for a home and I don't know what made him
decide to turn it into a hotel, but he did.

B: It certainly made a beautiful hotel and now it's used by the City of Gainesville for
meetings and I guess offices are there too.

R: Yes. I don't know whether the city inherited it or bought it, but they use it. B: They have done a beautiful job restoring it. The Duck Pond area is an interesting area
in Gainesville. Did you ever work as a mail carrier in that area?

R: No. The guy that had that route had it the whole time that I was a city carrier. But I
played there as a kid in the Sweetwater Branch. B: Were ducks there then?

R: Yes. I don't know how they got there, but they were there. We did catch tadpoles
and all that kind of stuff.

B: That was a beautiful spot for young boys to go play. R: Yes. When we were first in Gainesville, we moved frequently and one of the places
we lived was actually on Sweetwater Branch, not Main Street but the next street over. B: I think that would be N.W. 1st Street, wouldn't it? R: Yes, but there was a house on the northwest corner. It backed up to Sweetwater
Branch and we lived in that house for a while. That's when I would play in the creek. B: It must have been a great place to play. R: It sure was. They offered to sell that land to my dad for $500. That lot went from the
street by the Sweetwater Branch to the street this side of it, but he couldn't get up the
money to buy it.

B: $500 was a lot of money in those days. R: It sure was. Now it would probably be $25,000. B: If not more. Mr. Reames, do you have anything else on your list that you would like
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R: No, I've covered them all.

B: Mr. Reames, it has been very interesting to talk with you, and I want to thank you
very much for giving me this opportunity. You will be given a copy of the interview
for your records, and, of course, the original will be kept at the Matheson Center. R: Thank you very much, and I will get you a copy of that picture. B: Thank you.