Interview with Alice Roberta Wiatt, 2016 July 9

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Interview with Alice Roberta Wiatt, 2016 July 9
Wiatt, Alice Roberta ( Interviewee )
Dombrowski, Diana ( Interviewer )
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Roberta Wiatt discusses growing up on Duval Avenue, where she currently lives, in Gloucester, Virginia. She talks about her career as a high school coach for over forty years.
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TMP 106 Interviewee: Alice Roberta Wiatt Interviewer: Diana Dombrowski Date: July 9, 2016 D: Today is Jul y 9, 2016. This is Diana Dombrowski here with Roberta Wiatt in Gloucester Courthouse, Virginia. Roberta, could you please tell us how you spell your name? W: W i a t t, and I have gone through something with that spelling. I mean, even spellcheck kicks use the y. We were the other branch. D: Okay. W: that name, so Roberta is good. D: Okay. W: D: Really? W: Which is kind of cool. D: Wow, yeah. That is nice. Could you tell me where and when you were born? W: June 5, 1933 in Suffolk, Virginia. D: Okay. Can you tell me a li ttle bit about where you grew up? W: I grew up on Duval Avenue in Gloucester Courthouse. And there were right many kids that grew up at the same time. My best friend was next door and my nd then there was one across the street and there were two across the street over there, and


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 2 next door was a cousin. Got a lot of kids on the street, which was nice. You had a can ecause there could be people, there could be insects, there could be you know. But then, it was differe it was a fun thing. And we played and there was a swamp at the bottom of the hill, and I mean we even went in the swamp. And nobody bothered anybody. It was just so I mean, maybe it was because there was a bunch of us but we were never afraid of anybody bothering us. Wherever it was we played, that nev er entered us. The fear thing was never there. We were out to have a lot of fun, and boys and girls, we all played together remember anything like that. You know, it seems like we got along with each nymore. It was different ages. M y sister and I played together a lot but my brother was older, and so he and the gu y next door, they sort of had their own bunch. They did their things, we did our things and such anyway. [Laughter] Oh, gee. And we all went to Botetourt. D: Okay. W: There were two buildings there. There was kind of a square cinderblock building, have twelve at that point. It was one through eleven. D: Okay.


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 3 W: My dad graduated sure. D: Wow. W: And at some point the other building was built, I think they called it the County B uilding, and my dad helped build that building. I thought that was cool. So that was the square building was the elementary and the big building was the high school. Which, you know, made us feel a little prestige there. So we, as far as I And I always enjoyed t I did, and my sister did. It was part of your life, it was what you did, and we enjoyed it. It was fun. Had good tea I mean, I had one teacher who was special, and you have to have passwords and stuff on co D: Really? W: Favorite teacher. D: What was her name? W: Do I need to do that? D: Oh, if you want to. W: Yeah, yeah. Elizabeth Trin k l e D: Okay.


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 4 W: g special about that lady. She was compassionate and she was smart an d she had a sense of humor. And g you, you just And then there were the drugstores. Do you know about the drugstores? D: I think so. W: You need one of these. D: Okay. W: You go down the end of the street and, you know, you face the court circle. yeah, we did. We Drugstore. [L aughter] ret, you know, my cousin s, their next door neighbor was the Gray, Dr. Gray that owned the thing. what you get used to doing. But Morgan I mean everybody would go and get a Coke or something. It was neat: they had booths a bunch of people could sit in. They had a counter with the stools and you could sit there and order whatever it was you wanted to order. Dang, that was a long time ago. [Laughter] But, you know, it was


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 5 the word. It was a gentle time. T kind of it was something far away. I mean, we had t o have gas rationing and the little books with the little slips of paper that you had to give to the people who sold the But parents, if they felt like there was anything. But I remember we collected scrap metal, my brother and the guy next door and Jimmy. I mean, they collected stuff. They went remember is the scrap metal stuff. And I never knew what happened to it. Somebody came and got it, I guess, to ok it away and melted it down or whatever But our thing was collecting it, so that was it. D: Where would you go and what would you do to collect it? W: Well, you fin D: Okay. W: [Laughter] Another thing, my brother delivered newspapers in the Courthouse area. Had his bicycle. And he would take the papers and he would go all up and down Main Street. What was it? I had to go with him one time for


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 6 But it was quite a di stance. I mean, it was up past Botetourt, and then the side streets and then down the hill. Which down the hill was a tri angular road. D: Oh, really? W: And I think of what it is now and what it was. It was just here D: Okay. W: read. Main Street. Main even know if I can reproduce it t know. Anyway, it was a total different configuration from what it is now. D: Really? W: Yeah. The first traffic light in the county was right there. They redid the intersection and D: Were you there when they opened it? W: What, the traffic light? D: The traffic light? W: were doing it. Anyway, you could go like y time. We would walk from here to the movie, and walk back home in the dark to


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 7 here. And there were no streetlights. I mean, it was just ano ther world. There fear of anything I mean, it was just a neat place to grow up. D: Was that here in this house, or was it here was it another house on the street? W: What? D: Where you grew up? W: Right here. D: Really? W: Oh, yeah. D: Oh, wo w. W: I know. [Laughter] D: W: Sometimes I think there must be all kinds of spirits living in this place besides me D: Okay. W: My grandfather died in 1918, there was a flu epidemic and that got him. My sticks by herself. So he had this house built. We have never settled on what the date was. I mean, G randfather died in 1918, and my best estimate was s ometime on when this house was built.


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 8 D: Oh, okay. W: It was early [19]20s. D: Wow. W: t hink at least two other brothers. And wh en Mom and D ad got married, he moved back here wi th my mom. So she was here and G randmother was here and one of the things I wish I d know. Anyway, when I inherited the house I went through all kinds of closets, found all kinds of trunks. I called up the offspring of those brothers. I said, hey, So I gave all that I gave it all back to them. But it was something else. And next door neighbor, Ms. Morgan, the Morgan family, she said she remembers hearing the guys sing. D: Really? W: mean, my dad sung in a choir, so I kno D: Yeah. W: Nobody sits on the porch and does anything anymore. [Laughter] Oh, good Lord, se contact


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 9 ever small towns all over t hat people are probably growing up like we And, like I said, the D: Can I ask you about some of the buildings? W: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. At the end of the street, on the left. D: Okay. W: Were two garages. D: Okay. W: bell torn Plymouth garage. And then where Arts on Main is, I think t hat was the Ford. And it always interested me, why were these two garages next to each other? D: Yeah. W: You know, I mean, and they were competitors obviously. I mean, they serviced different vehicles but I always thought that was when eventually these people were going to redo these, I always thought about the garages. You know, you have a pit that you


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 10 drive your car over so you can I often wondered what they did with the pits. [Laughter] I never did ask anybody. But between the two garages was an alley, D: Yeah. W: But that was our shortcut. D: Okay. [Laughter] W: Anyway, so you had garage, you had garage, pretty certain it was a barbershop. In fact, my dad took me there one time to get Sinclair Rhodes, buy a tie or a shirt or something for my daddy from I mean, he sold stuff too, it cleaners place He sold things too. That was fun. And then n ext to that was a big old house, and there was a wall and it went down think of the street. Al l like so, I think it went down the street. Anyway, people used to sit on the wall, it was like a talking place, you know? people did, you know, grownups. That was fun. But anyway, so all this stuff gets torn down, to the court circle. We used to roller skate D: Really?


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 11 W: On Main Street in the court circle on the sidewalk. And somebody was always a lookout I gue ss. These were the skates you strapped on, not boots or anything. We had a lot of fun. D: You said your dad worked in the courthouse building? W: Yeah, he was a deputy clerk. He worked there a long time. But I think he thought advancement so he quit that job and started working would check on gas tax forms and all this kind of thing. Anyway, when I started teach ing at Gloucester High School, driver e d was one of the things I taught. So they would ask me about Mr. Wiatt. I says, honey, you keep your mouth shut and do what he says. I scared the crap out of them. [Laughter] I always used to say I would teach them and he would test them. And he would get so aggravated at maybe it was an attitude thing. He was old school, I mean, he was old sc hool. So then, you know, who did I get my license from? Him. And he mad e me drive up and down Main Street and had to park between two cars and all this stuff. Scared me to death. So I made it al l right, I got my license, it was cool. But the first ye I had to hitch a ride with somebody up the street. And when I realized I was going to be coaching I


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 12 figured I had to have a car. So I got a car. They signed for me, I got it from the bank, got the loan for the bank. D: What were you coaching? W: Everythi ng. [Laughter] I had cheerleaders, I had basketball, I had softball and field hockey. I started a field hockey team. D: Wow. W: Because I felt like all the schools around us were playing field hockey, and I played in college. So I thought we ought to have field hockey, so we did. D: Where did you go to school? W: Longwood College. [Laughter] It was not the university then. In fact, it had D: Really? W: Yeah. So I was glad it was Lo ngwood and not s College. It was a good choice. academic stuff I should have but I had a good t ime. I played sports. It was a good experience. D: And you came back when you graduated? W: and I ta ught Susan and Margaret. That was interesting. [Laughter] Because I


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 13 Ro call me anything. I let it ride, you know. I enjoyed teaching. T eaching was well, it was different from when I started and from when I quit. A lot different. Numbers, attitudes, everything Basically, I think want to put time in. When I starte d coaching it was for P.E., I just taught the girls and somebody else me teams a lot of girls would try out because they wanted to be part of something special, which was cool. As time progressed, I g ot to teach everybody. That was fun, because guys are different. I mean, it really is so cool. [Laughter] Had to get l right, I enjoyed it. I have nephews that I enjoy, you know, and great nephews. Holy smoke. One of my great ne phews owns a architect. Smart. He has a creati ve mind that his grandmother had That his dad has. I mean, they can toge ther. My n ephew works at the shipyard, and he has to do with nuclear subs and pipes and all that kind of stuff. He can see how, if you go with pipes a certain way his mind he se es it, and he has to argue with these college geniuses about o be when he gets throu gh with the they visualize it. And Jackie does the same thing.


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 14 Fayette and Jackie have six kids, they travel all over the place depending on artist. Oh, my gosh! there. D: Oh. W: That was Yeah, she did that one. Okay. D: Oh, I lik e that one. W: She always put J. Wiatt on her stuff. D: I like that one a lot. W: D: Oh, really? W: That is the Wiatt family home. D: Okay. W: All of their fourteen kids were born there. D: Wow. W: Twelve survived to adulthood. D: Where was that?


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 15 W: type thing. But they were in the there, because it was far away from everything. D: Uh too. W: D: How long were you teaching and coaching? W: Forty years. D: Wow. W: I know, nobody believes that. [Laughter] But I did. D: W: And it was. I mean, I went through all these social changes and all this stuff. It was something. But basically, kids are kids, and they were fun to teach and I loved the coaching. T eaching was fun. Get kids to accomplish stuff that they nd P.E., P.E. was interesting for me fun doing whatever it was we were doing. And I bothered me that some P.E. instructors do it this wa y, do it my way or the highway. So I think most of the kids did have fun. But I did kind of watch, and if I saw kids who I thought were good


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 16 or something. So, you know, I did get to deal with the really capable athletes, which is fun. C oaching is another world. Daggonit I read about Pat Summi t t and I thought how sad, how sad to lose a mind like hers. That was something else. I had her book about her undefeated season. Man, that woman was something else. She was something else. And she won more games than John Wooden did. [Laughter] Wooden was a wesome. Awesome! D: Really? W: You know, it takes a special mind, and they were creative. They thought of things oriented but they o f them. Both of them. T hey demanded that. But I think they were thoughtful of D: Were you teaching when schools were desegregated? W: Yeah. D: Yeah? W: That was intere sting. D: What was that like? W: ther me. Bothered some kids, bothered some other people. But, you just do what I say. We had things we do, I


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 17 kids are all the same. I mean, they really are. That was fun. Some people think how could you teach teenagers? I said, well, I related to them. [Laughter ] That was the first four or five years I taught I was just like one of them, man, I loved it. D: Wow. Forty years is a long time. Yeah. W: The classes, I was trying to think. They built a new high school, which was nice. We had to move everything from the old high school to the new high school. Golly day. That was something else. Boxes galore. I went all over the C ourthouse getting boxes from people throwing boxes away. Now, th ey cut them up and recycle them. I would go to the dumpsters behind the store, this sounds passed, sh know. That was sad. We worked together for a long time. It was a good thing. D: W: They come and go. D: Do you stay in touch with many folks you used t o work with? W: No. D: No?


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 18 W: [Laughter] D: Oh. W: D: W: Let me tell you, as a coach, I used to drive a school bus. D: Okay. You did everything. W: Yeah. But I enjoyed that. T hat was fun. When I started out, you had the clutch, you know, [makes car sounds] but as time went on they got to be automatic. I One time I drove it my coworker was the field hockey coach, she was awesome. Holy smokes, she was awesome. Her never driven to Virginia Beach before. But she knew where to go. So she says, y ou what to do. We made it fine Man, she was good. Honest to Pete, that woman was an awesome field hockey coach. Well, we have an D: Wow. W: They did that. D: W: Old Red. Did he hockey. I mean, they went all got the big cup, the little medals that each one


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 19 then you go on. But some of them got scholarships to colleges and everything. S o, s ports is good. I mean, character and all that stuff, but it really is a good thing. The competition, and, you know, you lose, you better not be a bad loser. You better not be a bad l ot to suck it up and take D: Do you remember some really big ones? W: Not really. D: No? There are probably a lot. W: We won some district champ ionships in different sports. I never got to go to state, we never tate. We went to regionals some I ng the catcher looking at this list on her arm, and the pitcher looking at the list, and they give a little signal, an myself, d o ggone know, what is with this thing, looking Oh, geez. Anyway, I e njoyed all the sports. I got in to cheerl eading because they told me I had to do had anything to do with cheerleaders, and so I learned. But, you know, cheerleaders are special people. had struggles sometimes


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 20 around, just I love seeing my people. I go to Walmart taught or somebody I coached. I unreal. D: W: rget. [Laughter] Oh, me. going to tell you about church, okay? D: Okay. W: Around the circle on t he left is the Presbyterian c great pictures. I think everybody on the avenue probably went to that church, as well as I can ve gone to Ware Y es, ac ross the street, they went to Ware Anyway, in the summertime they would have bible school, everybody would go to the b ible school. Church and Sunday s wanted to go so we went. Some places parents drag their kids to church. They njoyed participating in Sunday s chool. I remember one summer there was a church camp at Jamestown, and a bunch of us went. And that was fun. That was on the paid you. A friend of mine, a husband of a friend of mine, are you familiar with this MR SA stuff? D: Uh huh. Yes. Yeah.


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 21 W: awful thing. And I was thinking when we grew up, I remember my sister lived close to the York River and we would go visit her, and we would go down the hill and go swimming. And, you know, never thought about it. I mean, you always had cuts and scrapes or tigo or poison ivy scratches. I never thought, I mean, everything, and then something else shows up. Then they got to get something at one point I taught a Sunday sc It was not the same as high school kids. I was choir director for thirty years. D: Wow. W: D: W: which people they knew more than I did, because I was not a music scholar. I just always loved


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 22 to sing and I took piano lessons as a kid. So the lady who was the director, her w. So, anyway, I did, and I learned a lot. I had good peop le playing for me. It was fun. I t was a fun thing to do What was it? Oh, I know. My mom got sick and I really couldn't leave her by herself on Sundays. Anyway, I retired in [19]94 from was it [19]93? I forget. Anyway I did thirty years, then I retired. Bless her heart, Mom was a smart, smart lady. Work ed at the bank. S he wasn't a teller but she was in the bookkeeping department. But she got dementia. Man, that's an evil thing. Bit by bit by bit, you think you've got it made here and then something goes south. It's unreal, it's unreal. So that's why I had to stop doing c hoir, because I needed to be with her more. I was lucky I found somebody to stay with her while I was teaching. Very lucky. Very lucky. She was a good soul. Anyway, you gotta do what you gotta do, you know? D: Uh huh. W: Life is not all a bowl full of cher ries. Oh, strawberries and cream I've been watching women that's fun. And Serena goes for the title today. I hope she wins. I hope she wins. The person she's playing in the finals beat her sister. D: Really? W: So I hope she beats that lady to 6 0 6 0. Because Venus was the oldest one in the whole tournament of the women, okay? She's thirty six, I think Serena's thirty three. But anyway, Venus looked great. I mean, she went through all these people and then she g ets to this last one and she just can't she couldn't do it.


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 23 The other lady outplayed her. But anyway, they are a remarkable two tennis players, honestly. And they played doubles but I never did see the results. I don't know what they did, if they won the doubles or not, I don't know. D: That would be amazing. W: And you never read about that. I mean, the Daily Press Nothing bad about them, but they don't put little stuff, and doubles is just not a big deal. The men's and the women's and that's it. I don' t even think they mess with the juniors anymore, results. But they do give results for major sports, so can't complain too much. D: Did how many girls got involved in sports, did that change over the time that you were coaching? W: Hm. D: Because I know Ti tle IX had a big effect on some different areas. So I'm curious. W: coaching basketball, we had to play half court. These people were defense and these people were offense. And during my coaching t ime they changed the rules so that two from each team could go the whole court. And eventually it go t so we played just like the guys. And once that happened I had half as many kids try out: they didn't want to run. I mean, if you played half court that wa s your half, you didn't have to go to the other end. But it was hard. I had a hard time coaching basketball when that happened. But I learned, I learned with al l the kids. But it was fun. It was interesting to see the skills that you didn't think the girls had but they did. All you


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 24 have to do is show them. Tell them, coach them, whatever. They can do anything I don't know. Is there anyt hing else on Main Street? I'm trying to think. D: Let me see. T.C. Walker and Johnny Walker's houses. W: Yeah. D: Ye ah? W: Okay. Johnny Walker's house is right at the end of Duval. D: Okay. W: Across the street, Duval, the next street, and then that one. That's I think let me think. What was the one? There was a house where the fire department is. But that was the doc tor. That was the black doctor. What was his name? Dr. Morris. Dr. Morris. And a kid that I knew had some kind of an infection. H e treated her and solved the problem. D: Really? W: That was interesting. Yeah, yeah. I can't remember whether it was a tick bi te or something that got infected, I don't know, but it was hard to get rid of. But he solved it. I forgot about Dr. Morris's house, how about that? That's cool. It was his house and then there was this little thing, then Olivia's was a business here. But there was a place between Dr. Morris and Olivia's. And at one time a guy owned that place and they called it Live and Let Live. D: Really?


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 25 W: And he was an interesting character. He appealed to young people. He had an outgoing personality and he wasn't cri tical of anybody. He was a neat guy. I never knew what happened to him. People come and go, you know? D: Uh huh. W: Yep. Yo u don't always know. A business takes him somewhere else or whatever. Interesting. D: Do you think more tourists started coming here, has that had a big impact on the way the city looks at all? I know it's a really historic area. W: I don't know. Hm. When did we get bigger? I guess business, and, you know, the bypass. Everybody thought the Courthouse would die when they did the bypass, you know Route 17. But we didn't miss a beat because of the kind of place it is. It' s not big city type anything. It 's just a regular place. D: Can you tell me a little bit about the Botetourt Hotel? W: I don't know I mean, it was there. It didn't impre ss me as being a historic place or anything. But what's interesting, it's a long building. It's a long building. Okay. This end, there might have bee n some steps down from the porch or something. Anyway, there was a bell hanging there. And guess what we di d on Halloween? Bing, bing. [Laughter] I remember that. You know, we always had to ring that bell. I'm sure it bugged the people who were there. Oh, man. But, you know, it wasn't something that we were impressed with. I mean, it was there. It was just part of the Courthouse scene. It's interesting because we didn't go on that side of the street much. I sn't t hat weird? I think about it, it is so weird! The grocery store


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 26 that we went to was on this side of the street and it's in the area of Sun Trust Bank. It might have been you have SunTrust Bank and you have a little garden thing and you have what was Morgan's Drug Store. And J.H. Martin Company their grocery store was right there. So, again, we went to the grocery store, it was on that side of the street. Ain't that funny? I hadn't thought of that before. That's really weird. I guess i t keeps you out of traffic. But later there was Gr ay's Drug Store and Le igh 's Market Buck Le igh and his wife had a grocery store there. And Buck had worked at Martin's store, and so then Buck had his store over across the street. And so we went there. But, you know, we could walk to anywhere we needed to do anything, which is interesting. I guess we walked to church. I don't know. But if D ad, if he drove, I guess we all went with him in a k we walked to church. That's funny We walked to school. D: D id you r dad ever tell you much about what it was like when he was growing up around here? W: You know, not really. One of my cousins wrote a book called The Wiatt Family of Virginia and there's a lot of good stuff in there. So if we have questions sometim es we refer to the Wiatt book. [Laughter] Anyway, I can't remember, he came out with a second one, because there were a lot more people, and so he wanted to add all these other people. So he came out with a second book. That was interesting. But he's good. I mean, man, he went back shoot, ancient times. And then my Air Force nephew did a DNA thing, he says, we're related to the V ikings. I said, Matt, you're crazy, he says, no, we are. We have Viking blood. I says, al l right, brother, you go ahead. That wa s funny. But we always thought of


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 27 ourselves as English or Scottish and then he comes up with the Viking thing. I think, al l right, Matt, you be a Viking. That was funny. But, you know, if you go back far enough everybody's the same anyway. So what the heck Matt. I don't mind being a Viking. It's al l right. I can be one. I read Hagar the Horrible [lau ll be Matt. Oh, gosh. It's funny how bits and pieces of stuff come to you. D: Yeah. W: It's no t even put together or anything I remember playing in the street, it was no big deal. I mean, nobody drove down the street after work. It was our playground. The woods the street, backyards. That was fun. I guess you can say it was a safe time. I just don't have recollections of being afraid of anything. D: Wow. W: Our parents might've been. I just can't recall. I'm trying to think of anything, I don't know. D: Those are almost all my questions. W: The thing is, it's all gone. The spirit, the feeling, you know, what you had then, it's gone. I'm sure that your childhood's the same thing. That was then, this is now, and it's just not the same. You don't see kids playing out here. They inside playing on something else, some device. Once in a whi le I'll see joggers. I saw two girls the other day and I'm thinking, you idiots, go home. It was in the middle of the day. I said, how could you run at five o'clock, man? You know, you can't


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 28 say anything so I didn't say anything. Do ggone I still can't get o ver that. That was this week, it was hot. D: It is hot. W: Yeah. D: It's really hot. W: And it's also muggy. Typical Virginia hot. I don't know if it's like that in Florida or not but it is D: Very much. W: It is, yeah? D: Very much. W: You've got the At lantic, you've got the Gulf. D: It's swampy in the middle. W: Yeah. D: Yeah. It's very swampy. W: Right, right. D: Yeah. It feels like home actually. W: Oh, me I'm trying to think of anything. D: Okay.


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 29 W: We played all over the Courthouse area. There were places we could get up on the roof of somewhere and watch people. I mean, I don't know why we did that but, you know, if it's high and you can get up there, you will. One time we had a ladder and we got up on the roof and we were playing. We got ready to go down and the ladder was gone. So we jumped. D: Whoa W: didn't care, they just took the ladder away. That was funny. D: There's a lot of history in this area, like Fairfie ld and Rosewell and Jamestown and Yorktown. W: Right. D: Did you guys do much with that when you were younger? Were you aware of it very much or did that come later? W: I'm trying to think about Jamestown. W e were just right here. Weren't too concer ned about other historic places It was good to go to college, for all of us, because there were people there with different upbringings, different ideas, different everything. It was just a good thing. Colleg e was a good thing, besides the academic part. [Laughter] It was good, a broadening thing, which people need. Shoot, you can't get any broader anymore, the world's right there in your living room. Oh, man. And that Dallas thing, it just breaks my heart wha t's happening in this country. Somebody dec ides he hates people so he take a gun and goes out and gets them. Just


TMP 106; Wiatt; Page 30 shoots them, didn 't care. Over and over and over. Yeah, we kicked the Lord out of the schools. We kicked the Lord out of everything and now he 's getting us. That's what it is. Paying us back. W hatever, I can't get on that. But it's sad. I'll have to show you my books. D: Okay. W: I have to do that. D: Okay. Should I keep the recorder on or off? W: No, you can cut it off. D: A l l right, okay. [End of interview] Transcribed by: Patrick Daglaris, July 20, 2016 Audit edited by: Jessica Taylor, August 6, 2016 Final edited by: Patrick Daglaris, October 19, 2016

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