Interview with Catherine Morgan and Judy Diggs Hudgins, 2014 October 24

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Interview with Catherine Morgan and Judy Diggs Hudgins, 2014 October 24
Morgan, Catherine ( Interviewee )
Hudgins, Judy Diggs ( Interviewee )
Shipman, Raina ( Interviewer )
Mejia, Brittney ( Interviewer )
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TMP 057 Interviewee: Catherin e Morgan & Judy Diggs Hudgins Interviewer: Raina Shipman & Brittney Mejia Date: October 24, 2014 S : This is Raina an tories oral history project. Can you tell us where you were born? H: Well I grew up in Mathews County but I was born at the hospital in Newport News, w h ere most people went in 1941 to hav e a baby. That was quite a trip, to o It was, what? MO : Tell her what a historic day you were born. H: Well I was born Pearl Harbor Day. December 7 1941. M: And you? MO : I was born at One mo post office I imagine at anyway [Laughter] H: Winter Harbor area. MO : Winter Harbor. M: And what is your birthday? MO : My birthday is November 25, 1926. M: Mine is November 30. S: Do you have siblings? Brothers and sisters? MO : No.


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 2 S: What about you? H: I have one brot her who was born November 27 1942. So he and I for ten days are the same age. [Laughter] S: So you said one sibling? H: I have one brother. M: Could you tell us a little bit abo ut growing up in Mathews County? MO : Well did you want to hear about the storm or just growing up? M: What you feel is important. If you want to talk about the storm we can talk about the storm. MO : I was told she wanted me t o say something about the storm. S: We can talk about the storm sure. MO : Well that in 19 and 33 of course, August of 1933. A nd as I told her my only experience I could tell about that woul d be what happened at my house. A t that t ime it was just my moth er and I; my father had been killed in an accident several years before. So we lived on the water, a creek, and the tides start coming in and my mother had hen and chickens, a hog and a cow and she wanted to save all of those. I can remember her S he was w atching I t came in so fast. All the men in the neighborhood said that the tide came in so fast. She would put a stick down


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 3 come past it. A ng closer a nd closer to the house. Finally, my mother came to the house and she said to me, I am going to try t o save as many of m going to give you something and ngry she gave me a box of crack ers and a jar of peanut butter. A nd she gave me a coloring book and crayons which is what I liked to do all the time to entertain myself. She took m e upstairs in the bedroom. Well, my home had a dormer window. There was thr ee windows like that. I could look out and see her everything she was doing and see that tide coming in. T he wind was blowing hard and it was two big cotton wo od trees right at my back door. A nd I was at those windows and they were whacking and I was so s cared, m sure I cried more that day tha n I think I ever have since, because I cried and cried and cried because I was scared and also because I was afraid something was going to happen to my mother and I was alone. So anyway, I watched her go with hens and chickens and she took them to the barn A nd of course the barn had a loft and as the tide would ri se in there those fowl would go up the steps and fly up to the loft. So she saved most of her hens and chicken s, M any people in our neighborhood lost all of their chickens and things, but of which was my uncle H: My granddad, daddy, because Paw Paw was on the light house.


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 4 MO : s right, your daddy, her daddy. Her daddy came and he got that hog on our back porch which was screen ed in. S o he put the hog on the back porch and then he said, the only thing I can do is take the cow o ut to the main road. I lived down a right good long l ane. S o he put a rope around the cow s neck and he walked the cow out A nd the tide was just about up to his waist and nearly up to e was like this out in the water leading the cow down the lane. A nd he left us of course my mother and I My mother came in the house and I was in the house then of course but she did save her H: all have a car then? You had a car. MO : animals and things she was trying to save. But anyway, it was a win dy terrible time and like I say, it comes so fast. I can see my mo ther now moving that stick and how fast that stick was coming right up to the back door, because I had a right goo d sized backyard. Then when it begun to go down and we could move about some when we looked out there were what they called gasoline boats in that day, but they w ould call them now work boats. M y mother had a nice garden and it was fenced in of course to keep the cow out. When it got so that we could see there were two workboats in her garden on top of all of her nice vegetables and things [ Laughter] and it smashed the fence down of course. cleanup, but I do remember this: mud slick mud. The tide came up in my home to the second stair


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 5 step coming up the hall, hen it got so we could get down this was all mud, mud. Like I say remember much about the cleanup; course there was grass and stuff like that but my mother fou nd one snake in the S: [Laughter] How old were you when this happened? MO : I was seven when that happened. M: So your mom was pretty brave to keep going back outside. MO : Well she di d. She went outside and I can almost see her no w cause she had a rain hat and coat and everything on. S he was going to the chickens taking them to the barn and trying to save her things and everything she could. After it was over the men had pound poles for their fishing nets, there was a lot of the m in our yard in our garden. O f course the garden was ruined, but these two I remember these two big work boats belonging to the men in the neighborhood I just cried and cried and cried. [Laughter] S: What is you r relationship to each other? H: Then, going to tell you He at that time was on York Spit Lighthouse whic h is in the Chesapeake Bay. H ere is a pictur e


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 6 that a local woman has done. H er name is Audrey Hudgins Wright. T his is a picture of the lighthouse and then this is what she wrote and then this Mr. Jimmy is my Grandfather Diggs. He died when he was ninety six He used to buy this whole thing was washed away this whole bottom. H e survived by tying himself in the top here. A nd ev erybody was sure he was gone, but they found his boat. The way he got out there was from Winter Harbor out to the bay in a sailboat. Anyway his boat was found on the Eastern S hore of Virginia which is way the other side Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel. W ell M: This was the same storm? H: This is the same storm. So my daddy was the one that rescued their cow but his d addy which was my grandfather MO : And he was my uncle. H: Right. M: So while your dad was saving the cow, your grandfather was trying to save his life. H: Trying to save himself. So I brought you that picture. Of course even born then, so all of this and this is a story a bout him and that he talks here about so you might want to have a copy of this. T there about it


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 7 S: Wow, he was ninety one when this article came out. H: Yeah, he died when he w as ninety six. He died January the thirteenth 1978. So he survived that storm. T he next day some fisherman w ere in their boats going out to check on things and they found him. Guess he saw them coming He but they were very surprised to find him there because they were just sure he was gone. M: So was the structure still there and he was tied to it and it was demolished or did he try H: No, most of it was gon e, except that the tower stood. But he says in this article that all the furniture his boat things were being washed away so he ha d nowhere to go but right up here S: And he was in this house alone? H: He was. S: Okay. Did people know this storm was coming? H: Oh, no. T his was in 1933. So there was no communication then and it was an offshor t was just heavy offsh ore wind that blew the bay in. S o I mean I S: So the weather just got really bad.


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 8 H: The weather just got really bad. Although my daddy said the wind was bad but it r anything. Nothing like that. I t was just windy and then all of a sudden this water started co ming. So anybody that was near MO : That was a scary time to be on there. H: So anybody that was near a creek or the bay had this. A nd a lot of the houses down in our area had water in them. But he su rvived that and he lived to be ninety six and we are so sorry we never did record his story. I mean we heard him talk about it bu t as for actually recording it . S: Do you remember things he would say about what happened then, his experienc e, like you say you remember him telling the story? Do you remember things coming out of his mouth how he said the experien ce was tying himself to this? H: Well he just knew that was his only c hoice was to climb up here. I believe he says, he lash ed hims elf to the inside of this, and my brother says that he remembers him saying he put boards over the windows as best as he could to try and keep the water from coming in. He knew he was there by himself, and I going to s urvive but he did. Any how they were very very surprised when they found him there alive. S: How old was he when this happened? H:


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 9 M: 1933. H: But the date on this article? M: 1973. H: So in [19]73 he was in ninety one M: So [19]33 sixty, so he was thirty one S: H: Yeah he ha d my father and two other girls: my Aunt Jeanette and my A unt Virginia. S: Where were they during the storm? H: Well they were back within two hundred yards of where she lived. MO : We lived close together. H: At the house. And then that years after the storm, my father married in 1939 and he and his bride, my mother, moved in with my grandparent s and the n my father bought their house in the early [19]40s or [19]41. Well Jimmy was born there and he was born in [19]42. MO: H: So they moved into that house and my grandfather and g randmothe r built a smaller house just up


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 10 and where I grew up were within three hundred yards of each other on the creek. There was a l ittle bit of water that came in to my grandparent s ma said she remembers it coming on the bottom of the rocking chairs. MO : It came up to the second stair step in my home. H: Cause she was a whole lot closer to the creek. MO : I was closer to the creek. H: But I remember Mama saying it came to the bottom of the rocking chair and that what they did to keep it from going into the dining room where the hardwood floors were they put quilts and things to catch the water from going in onto to hardwood floors and into the rest of th e house. Then it did of course come into the we had a lower room kind of like a little cellar B ut the water went in there. S: So did it destroy the cellar, the things that were in there? H: No I mean there. Well they had a fur nace. MO: Yeah, a furnace. H: B ut it was up on block s so it d act that was probably one of the first houses in the area that had central heat, because they had radiator heat. They had a furnace that burne d coal and there were radiators. Y [Laughter]


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 11 M: I have like a picture in my mind like the ones that they have in the North in New York. They have like furnaces they have like heaters. H: Well you have a furnace, and the furn ace heats the hot water, and then the pipes run to the radiator s throughout a ll the house and these radiate with the hot water and houses that had electricity too. MO : I never had it down where I was when the storm came. See S: Is the house still there? MO : Oh yes. People live there. Oh yeah, uh huh. H: MO : One family that li ved there was from Montana. T he ones that own it now there b esides me. [Laughter] S: So when your dad was there at the house, did he just happen to be there or did he come there to help with the cow ? H: Well he just happened to be home a t that time. S o he was married in [19]39, this was [19]33, s o he was in his ea rly thirties, I guess. S o he was working but he


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 12 ha ppened to be home at that time, which was a good thing. I was gonna show you som e pictures of the local school. A nd your mother taught scho ol. MO: Oh yeah, my mother taught school H: She was a school teache r. This is what was called Winter Harbor School T his is 1925, and her mother taught school there. Is your mother in this picture, Catherine? MO : Let me see. H: MO: H: See, this one tells the names of teachers. R: H: MO: Lady Hudgins H: And then D I underlined her name : Jeanette Diggs S the picture. MO : e, Miss Daisy . s in this one .


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 13 H: This is my dad, and then Winter Harbor School, Onemo, early 1900s, Carlton Diggs, second from the left on the front row. Th already been able to identify some of the others, but this picture does tell who they are. And my daddy is not in this picture, but this is 1925. S: And this is the same school? H: This is the same school, and this school is, wh at? A quarter of a mile from where we grew up ? MO: Mm hm. H: I remember it before it was torn down and demolished or whatever. Then in this book, a book about lighthouses, Forgotten Beacons . [inaudible 21:25] MO : I like this: I keep a good house h e says, I wore the starboard fishing sail on my coat. [Laughter] H: So in this book, this is York Spit, and it quotes my granddaddy. S: Floors began to burst up, sailboat broke away, sea breaking over deck, oil tank s broke away. H: [Inaudible 22:00] So my G randdaddy Diggs was on Wolf Trap which is another light house in Chesapeake Bay, he was on Old Plantation which is another lighthouse, he was on York Spit, and he was on those three lighthouses. They were under the U.S. Coastguard. So he probably wo worked a whole lot longer except because these men were mostly out there by themselves they kept


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 14 a good physical check on them alone and get sick because they had no radio. So anyhow, they came aboard one day and checked him and his doctor checked his blood and it was high in em that what he had had to eat the day before because he loved sweet stuff. They ended up retiring him and he lived, what ? H e was in his maybe forties or fifties and he lived to be ninety six. S: How old was he when they retired him? H: He was probably late forties early fifties and they retired him because they were afraid for him to be out there. S: So what did he do after that? H: Well then after that he did carpentry work he did a lot of painting, house painting Anyway, he was never and idle man. H e was always busy My grandmother died on her hundredth birthday. MO : This article is good now if I got that or not. H: In our local paper call ed the Gazette Journal which comes out ev ery Wednesday S: Yeah, right there! [Laughter] H: T his was from years ago and it talks about the York Spit L ighthouse. Then there was another time when Papa was out there and the bay froze and he was out there. I saw that one .


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 15 S: How did you get all of these newspaper clippings and everything? Did you get them from your parents? H: eah I guess my folks saved these. You can t ell addy had a copy of that because he was a st H S: Is that the re staurant and ice cre ve seen it. H: Well now my mother worked there for many, many years. T his is my mother in many MO: H: Th MO: H: S he taught school MO : would be on there because all these other teachers, Martin Diggs guess she ever knew Martin Diggs. H: So anyway and then another time my granddaddy was on the lighthouse and that was the year the Chesa peake Bay froze. It was awful and he got trapped. His boat was well he was trapped there because until the ice melted he


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 16 and once it started melting all the ice was coming down and it actually tore some of the lighthouses up when these great huge chunks of ice would come and bang at the base of the lighth ouses. S: How long was the lake frozen? H: Oh it wa s the bay, the Chesapeake Bay. I I think. M: How long was it frozen? H: Probably weeks. M: He was stuck there for weeks? MO : I would say two or three weeks. M: And he was on the light house. Wow. Did he say anything about how if he ate? H: Well yeah, they always had canned stuff. They had no refrigerators but he had plenty refrigeration then MO : You could always throw a line and catch a fish and fry it. H: Then a nother thing my brother when I was talking to Jimmy about it last night and he said, be sure to tell them about some of the celebrities that used to come out on boats. He said, Victor Moan who was a very popular singer in the [19]40s I guess, he stopped there in his boat. A nd I forgot who else came by there.


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 17 S: So would they just come to visit? H: They were. Well the Chesapeake Ba y is a great boating place. P eople who would come from New York that were going to Florida for the winter or going to the Baha Victor Moan But I remember him. [Laughter] B ut he was very popular in the [19]40s and [19]50s I guess too maybe. S: And did you get to meet him? H: Oh yeah. So like I said, I guess he couldn frozen but MO : But they always had their canned goods. H: Yeah they always had canned stuff. MO : They had to eat on th at. He and his associate stayed w hat was it? A week at a time H: They took a week at a time, somet imes two weeks at a time. MO : Two w eeks or something like that. While one was on there the other one would go home and so on. H: But now my daddy r emembers when he was a child before he was going to school he would go out and spend a week with his daddy on this lighthouse. He said he remembers that my granddaddy would tie a rope around h is waist because he was afraid. H


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 18 he would never get him. S o he t ied a rope around his waist and let him play outside. Daddy says he remembers riding his t ricycle out here on this little r ound and round and round and he would tie a rope to his waist and I guess M: s what I was thinking: he was riding his bike with a rope on him? H: They would tie the rope to the house an d put the rope around his waist, and then of course when the rope go t tight he would have to stop. B ut he said he remembered playing out here and he rode his tricycle as far as the rope would allow him to ride. M: S: Have you ever been to any of the lighthouses? H: Uh huh, of course now this one was Wolf Trap i s still there. MO : The one that he was on is gone; that was destroyed in that storm. H: Yeah . So many of these lighthouses, left now but a beacon and the C oastguard. MO : See , a light there where York Spit was. A light flashing to let you know where it was. H: So the C oastguard took a lot of t hese over and they converted them from lighthouses to beacons.


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 19 S: When he was on the light house that was destroyed that he had to tie himself was he hurt in any kind of way or was he perfectly fine? H: I never remember him ta lking about having any injurie s . But anyway has been here since what year? MO : id you tell them? H: This is my mother that w pri or to the 1890s operated a drug store at Mathews Courthouse. So this Mr. Richardson has had a store since 1890s in Mathews. MO : Been in the Richardson family, Craw ford was the last one. H: Yeah he was. S: So she was working there when you were born when she was working there? H: No no. She worked there in the [19]60s, [1 9]70s, maybe retired. MO : After she got married. H: It was in the [19]60s, yeah, rk until Jimmy and I left home . Well I was going to show you this. This is a picture of a ship that my father was on during Wo rld War II and then this is my grand daddy. H e was recogniz ed by President Richard Nixon . S: Yep Nixon wow. What was he recognized for?


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 20 H: I have to read. W as it his birthday? S: Yes I think it was his birthday. Wow. H: Anyway I found this, too. T his is abo ut another man here in Mathews C ounty in the Merchant Marine in 1937. A nd my f ather was on the ship with him. H e was the captain MO : Who is this? H: This is Mr. Gale A nd then this is the Christmas menu from this ship. My daddy is right there : Carlton Diggs, James Diggs is my father. This is the ship they were on and then this article talks about what they did at Christmas at sea. This is Mr. Gale who was on there. S: Did you read this article? H ow did they celebrate Christmas? H: ad it recently, so but this was there menu for the Christmas dinner. MO : A Calia ship Diggs on her during World War II. Julia H: Yeah so much stuff. So my father was not home when either I or my brother were born. MO : Well they had shrimp cocktails, chicken noodle soup, dill pickles, pigs . S: So he was gone a lot? H: My father was gone a lot during the war.


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 21 MO : R oast beef, roast turkey squash . S: Was your mother working while he was gone? H: Oh no. M: She was a homemaker? MO : Had rum pudding with wine sauce . H: They were married in [19]39 and I was born in December the seventh, t he day the war began in [19]41. A nd then my br other was born in November of [19]42, so she had two babies. M: She was busy. H: like I said in the [19]60s. Once my brother and I were . MO : I can remember going to her house when they were little and she had a rocking chair in the kitchen, and Judy Gray would sit on one arm of the chair and her [Laughter] H: M: Is there anything else that you MO: Not me


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 22 S: Your mo m was a school teacher? MO: Yeah my mom was a school teacher. S: All your life she was a school teacher? MO: Well after I was bo H: S: And what about your father? MO: My father was killed in a train wreck when I was only between three and four years old. S: Was it a train that was where was he going do you know? MO: He was getting off work and w as supposed to be coming home. I t happened in Cape Charles. Some kind of a freak accident something about his overcoa t got caught and he was dragged. I never . H: He j umped off the train to get to S: To safety? MO: He got off and his overcoat got hung and he was dragged a while and he was killed instantly. H: This lady is a local artist and she does a lot of lighthouse things. M:


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 23 S: Yes ally nice to have all of this M: Memorabilia. H: Growing up her e I mean I t hink about I have an eight year old granddaughter who goes to Lee Jackson School now th e old one. B ut we just think about what we did as kids. I mean we p layed outside all the time. Y brother and I and other kids would be down in the creek playing at the creek, and every once in a while she would holler, Judy! Judy! And we would go what?! Then she knew we were okay, but kids now you k now got them under your eyes. MO: Kids now have to have something mechanical play with. A s I was growing up I was an only child I was a little pet between three and four s children that came and spent every summer with me. H: Well they came from New York City too. MO: The y came from New York, but part t ime they lived in Baltimore and we lived on a creek over there with Winter Harbor. B ut we played and entertained our self with what we have at home. We had a play sit on the dock and c atch crabs, and we built a play house out of straw. Straw playhouse. Yes you had your chairs and you had your table and you know something that I think about t hat we did ? W e had a plum tree in our yard and when sometimes the little green plums would fall we would make strawberry


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 24 shortcakes. W e would make cakes mud pies, and we put little teeny green plums on there and they were the strawberries. S: So you can have fun with what you have. MO: We made strawberry shortcakes. A nd you see we had lots of fun and we were happy. We had chores to do. One thing my mother always had chickens and back in that day you had to grind corn, grind hominy in a hominy g rinder, t ake grains of corn. So we would pick a day. W e would pick one day a we ek that we would grind enough. W chickens, so we would pick one day a week and we would go t here and grind buckets of corn hominy all ready for my mother to have to feed her chickens so H: Well, I can remember when I was a child we had chickens, we h ad a pig and we kept corn that D addy grew in a house. Well, of course the mi ce just loved to get in there. So what Daddy would do would be put a low bucket of water and then float corn on the top so when the mice try to get it they would fall in and drown. Well my brother and I would go out and we would fish the mice out of the wa ter. I can remember doing that, these little mice swimming and we would get like a stick and put it in the water and the mouse would climb em loose. [Laughter] S: So you could just have fun with what you have.


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 25 H: t so here we were playing with mice. D S: ee all the pictures and hear the stories. H: tremendously h as it? MO: Not a whole lot. S: I was g oing to ask has it changed here? MO: Sunday afternoon and Forrest Morgan s going to have a program here. I think so at this library. Did you see it in the Gazette Journal ? H: Unh uh. Mo: Go look at your Gazette J ournal interviews that are going. H: S: Yes H: In fact when I called him to tell him that I was interested in this we got tal king e probably distant cousins because I told him who I was and he remembered me from high school cause he was one or two ahead of me. S o I told him H e said, oh you were a Diggs. Y es I do remember you ; one of my grandmothers was a Diggs. So then his first n ame is Forrest which in most occasion s Forr est is a last name around here. Well he said he was named


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 26 Forrest as I remember for one of his grandfat hers, and my great mo ther was a Forrest. So he says di stant cousins. [Laughter] S: MO: H: So you girls do you have family near where you live? M: generation American. H: From where? M: Dominican Republic. So all of my family is back on the island. I h ave some family in Philadelphia, I have some family in New York and my grandmother lives in H: And you? S: M y whole family is from Florida. S o actually this town reminds me of where most town called Marianna, Florida. I the s ame size as this. So yeah think the furthest I could find was from North Carolina. All of my family is from here. MO: Well


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 27 S: It was nice talking to you and actually I want to make sure we h ave your names d your name is: MO: Catherine Morgan. S: And? H: Judy Diggs Hudgins. S: Judy Diggs Hudgins. M: Thank you so much for speaking to us. [Break in interview.] H: Yes. I remember going there as a child we used to go there in Halloween O h what a spooky place. It really was. D o you remember going there? MO: I certainly do. H: Do you remember the pond that was there? And when it was really, really MO: sure of gold buried in Old House Woods that the pirates that put there. S: Oh yes we saw that. M: We heard a little bit about the story. The story behind it. MO:


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 28 M: Have you had any experiences when you w ent? H: We would go there sometimes at Halloween; it was a spooky place to go. S: H: Without our mother. Did you ever go with us maybe? MO: We went one time and Chase went with us too. H: Yes your husband, because he grew up down that way. MO: My husband grew up down that way. Right close there. S: any haunting. H: No because we never stayed long. M: We heard about a building that would catch fire and rebuild itse lf. H: M: Oh well we heard something about that. I think it was a house that it caught fire but then it rebuilt itself. S: It caug ht fire like twice, but it never burned down. H: Well now someone I h as writ ten a book about I sure the library has it. I f you talk to Mrs. Dill e hay, there is a book about old homes in Mathews and in Virginia that are supposedly haunted. B ut Uncle Harry used to tell my G randmother Diggs my husband the wife of the lighthouse


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 29 kee per she was very superstitious U ncle Harry would go down to the beach and he could see York Spit or Wolf Trap and he could see Pa pa Diggs coming in h is sailboat. A nd he would go and tell Mama that he was coming home and she would say, how do you know? And she never thought about him seeing him coming in the boat. So she thought he had sort of supernatural things that he so anyways. MO: Had some supernatural power. H: Power that M: As fascinat no, not for me. MO: Not for me. H: yeah Bette can tell you. S: I think we used like Google to look up stories. H: I mean there is a real b and in Gloucester. In fact the building where the Bay School of Art have you been to the Bay School of Art? S: I haven H: too.


TMP 057 ; Morgan and Hudgins ; Page 30 [End of interview] Transcribed by: Zubin Kapadia, May 2015 Audit edited by: Jessica Taylor Final edited by: Jessica Taylor

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