Title: Transcripts of interviews conducted by Gwendolen M. Carter, 1972-1985
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Title: Transcripts of interviews conducted by Gwendolen M. Carter, 1972-1985
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THEONS ELBOP / INTERVIEW.

Gwen asked what the campus reaction had been to his two ar94kbea in the Suhday
papers .Was there much support?.
said it)as varied. IEaxwhd I.rtmaIash
The Crossroads and Mixed Marriages Ad Hoc committees of the Afrikaanse Nationale
Studentebond were the result of his thinking that the Afrikaner had to be *
confronted with facts and pictures.

The fact that they had accepted a Commission to look into the mixed Marriages
Act was significant,This had been rejected in 1973 and 1976.

Were they aware of the implications of a repeal of the mixed marriages act?

A.N.S. as a whole probably were not aware, but he certainly was keenly aware
of the implications that this was hitting at the whole base of apartheid.
Potch got its support on the AAM Executive from the University of the Orange
Pree State, mainlyHe termed their thinking "Radical Christian"

He hp that the A.S.B. would pay attention to housing this should be
;periannt. He was very against the hostel concept

He felt there should be further restraints placed on police inerms of detention
without trial.

A.S.B. and Kointinia
He had been a signatory of the original declaration. When he was proposed as
National President, reservations were expressed that lwoild make it a platform
for Xoinionia. He was actually asked to withdraw from_ e refused to do so,
but did give an assurance that he would not use A.S.B. to promote KointOnia.
He stood against a right-winger from Pretoria end was elected by a substantial
majority.
A.S.B. and N.U.S.A.S
A.S.B* attended the N.U.S.A.8 conference as observers.
Basically, co-operation between the two bodies was not possible their basic
philosophy was totally opposed.
A.S,B. was;Christian National, patriotic and supported separate development
N.U.S.A.S. wadLeo-Marxistainfluenced, pro-Swapo, felt party politics was a
waste of time). He felt. that Cape Town university,particularly was"too political"
The result had been discontent on the two Durban campuses. Even the N.U.8.A.S.
1979 theme of "COURSE REFOBM" was developing political overtones.
e also mentioned that Cape Town had opted out of the 3-day S.R.C.President's
Conference because they felt it "was a waste of time"
A.S.B. and Black campuses
There ha' B e no contactince 1973 when a get together had been arranged but was
oancelle ie the "Tiro" incident at Turfloopt Blacks were afraid of the
reactionbf their own community. Black students on Afrikaans campuses could theor-
etically be members of the A.S.B. but, in practice, this had not arisen "as they
were all graduates" (N.B. Eloff himself is a graduate)*

Now that membership o+.S.B. was voluntary, the main dissasociation had been aaemnge
the English students on Afrikaans campuses, particularly in Pretoria, where the
P.FP. youth on campus had been campaigning actively for disassociation.

Koinfonia had had great impact on the students at Potch. The majority were
in agreement with its principles.
Lourens pointed out that the opposition to Koinoinia had come from the staff and
the con stituency of the college not from the students and thea opposition was
largely criticism of its timing which they felt was politically motivated.

Q.sWhat was the character of the student news per 4 -"Hesitantly political"
The next issue of the A.S.B. publication next issue 13 March wouldd
reflect its new political commitment. He wa'aot anticipating trouble,
except pboqbly some social pressure.

HAD A.N.S. tried political lobbying? Once, last year. They had seen Koornhof-






He felt that the man was honest but a bit of a cancer. He had talked to them
freely and openly.
What urgent changes were needed?
1.All the things that affected people as people had toe put right WITHOUT
uprooting separate development.
2. Restraints had to be built into the implementing of the Terrorism and Security
legislation







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