Group Title: Historic St. Augustine: B7-L12 Silversmith
Title: [Letter to Ted Spiegel re William Sime]
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 Material Information
Title: Letter to Ted Spiegel re William Sime
Series Title: Historic St. Augustine: B7-L12 Silversmith
Physical Description: Correspondence
Language: English
Creator: Ganong, Overton G.
Publication Date: 1974
 Subjects
Subject: Saint Augustine (Fla.)
12 Charlotte Street (Saint Augustine, Fla.)
Sims Silversmith Shop (Saint Augustine, Fla.)
Spatial Coverage: North America -- United States of America -- Florida -- Saint Johns -- Saint Augustine -- 12 Charlotte Street
Coordinates: 29.896045 x -81.312121
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Bibliographic ID: UF00091339
Volume ID: VID00018
Source Institution: University of Florida
Holding Location: University of Florida
Rights Management: All rights reserved by the source institution.
Resource Identifier: B7-L12

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October 23, 1974









Mr. Ted Spiegel
R. D. #2 Box 353A
South Salem, New York 10590

Dear Mr. Spiegel:

I have just received a letter from Mrs. Lilla M. Hawes,
the Director of the Georgia Historical Society, that, I think,
pretty much wraps up research on William Sime. I have
enclosed a copy of this letter for you. Note the correction
of the date of the Resolution of Loyalty.

I hope your article on the Loyalist is coming along well.
I am looking forward to seeing it.

Yours truly,



Overton G. Ganong
Historian


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October 18, 1974






Mr. Ted Spiegel
R. D. #2 Box 353A
South Salem, New York 10590

Dear Mr. Spiegel:

John Griffin has referred to me your request for information about
William Sims, the silversmith, and I shall be happy to furnish you with what
information I have been able to glean from locally-available sources. Un-
fortunately, the evidence is very meager.

The only reference to Sims in St. Augustine is an entry from a Spanish
census taken in 1784, just after Florida had been returned to Spain. It reads:

Guillermo (i. e., Spanish for 'William') Sims: Native of Scotland.
He intends to return to the British dominions. He has
a wife and son. He is a silversmith by trade. He has
four Negroes. He lives in a borrowed house in the
block of the principal church.

In a book entitled Silversmiths of Georgia, by George Barton Cutten, there
are references on pages 102-03 and 146 to a William Sime, who worked in
Savannah. Sims (possibly a Spanish misspelling) and Sime might well have been
the same person, although we have no conclusive documentary evidence that
they were.

On April 27, 1768, William Sime and his partner Jacob Moses published
the following advertisement in the Georgia Gazette:

"Willian Sime and Jacob Moses, Goldsmiths and Jewelers
from London. Take this method to inform the public that
they intend carrying on their business in all its branches,
as they have brought proper tools for that purpose. Gentle-
men and Ladies who please to favor them... may depend on
having their work executed in the neatest manner and at the
shortest notice, at their shop next door to Mrs. Ruterhford's
in Broughton Street. N. B. Most money for old gold, silver
and lace"


(Quoted in Cutten, p. 102.)


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The tone of this advertisement seems to indicate that Sime had recently arrived
from London and was just getting started in business. I have no concrete evidence
of when he did arrive in Savannah, nor am I certain that he went directly there
from London. His partnership with Moses was evidently short-lived. In March,
1769, he advertised alone, at the same location, that he carried on all aspects of
the goldsmith and jewelry business. "He makes mourning rings, mounts aad
repairs swords, jewelry made and mended superior to any imported. (Quoted
in Cutten, p. 102.) He again affirmed that he had practiced in London. Here I
should note that goldsmithing and silversmithing were actually the same craft.
Many craftsmen who worked principally in silver advertised as goldsmiths,
however, because of the greater prestige of gold.

Sometime between 1769 and 1774 Sime took another partner, a man named
Wright, but was working independently again by April 20 of the latter year. His
last announcement in the Georgia Gazette appeared in January, 1775, when he
advertised for two lost horses. (Cutten, p. 103.)

Sime was an avowed Loyalist. On September 7, 1774, he signed a resolution
of loyalty to the Crown, an act that led to his being proscribed by the Georgia
legislature on March 1, 1778. His name, this time spelled Simes, was among
those over 100 people adjudged guilty of treason. (A. D. Chandler, Revolutionary
Records of the State of Georgia, Vol. I, pp. 326 ff.) The odds are great that he
had left Georgia by this time. We do not know exactly when, or if, he went to
East Florida. The next record is the William Sims of the Spanish census.

This is about all I have been able to come up with. I have written to the
Georgia Historical Society in Savannah seeking further information. Any I
receive I will send on to you.

I hope this is of some help.

Yours truly,



Overton G. Ganong
Historian


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TED SPIEGEL
R.D. #2, Box 353A
South Salem, N.Y. 10590
Telephone: Area Code 914/763-3668


John W, Griff&n
Director, Historic St. Augustine Preservation Board
P.. Box 1987
St. Augustine, Florida 32084

July 26, 1974



Dear John:


The inclement weather worked out just fine. Had good luck with the silversmith's

shop, thanks to your fine cooperation. As for the oldest schoolhouse that I know
of, it is on Staten Island, New York. Your contact is
Bill MacMillen, Jr.
*UichmonAtown Restoration
Richmondtown
Staten Island, New York


I'd love to come your way again in February when you have that Loyalist
Conference. Do you think you might need a slide show? At any rate, could you
send me some information on that conference? 'd also appreciate as much
as you have, whatever it might be, about the silversmith'Sims', his career,
etc

My thanks for your fine hospitality. JL O 0


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Sincerely yours,

Ted Spiegel


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