Group Title: Historic St. Augustine: B7-L12 Silversmith
Title: [Letter to Lilla M. Hawes re William Sime]
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Title: Letter to Lilla M. Hawes re William Sime
Series Title: Historic St. Augustine: B7-L12 Silversmith
Physical Description: Correspondence
Language: English
Creator: Ganong, Overton G.
Publication Date: 1974
 Subjects
Subject: Saint Augustine (Fla.)
12 Charlotte Street (Saint Augustine, Fla.)
Sims Silversmith Shop (Saint Augustine, Fla.)
Spatial Coverage: North America -- United States of America -- Florida -- Saint Johns -- Saint Augustine -- 12 Charlotte Street
Coordinates: 29.896045 x -81.312121
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Bibliographic ID: UF00091339
Volume ID: VID00014
Source Institution: University of Florida
Holding Location: University of Florida
Rights Management: All rights reserved by the source institution.
Resource Identifier: B7-L12

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October 23, 1974






Mrs. Lilla M. Hawes, Director
Georgia Historical Society
501 Whitaker Street
Savannah, Georgia 31401

Dear Mrs. Hawes:

I should like to express my appreciation for your thorough
and speedy response to my letter of October 17. I believe your
information just about closes the book on William Sime as far
as we are concerned, although there are a couple of leads I
would still like to check out. If I discover anything I shall
send it to you.

We would certainly like to have copies of Dr. Cutten's
notes on Sime for our files.

You might be interested to know that the information I am
getting together on Sime is being sent to Mr. Ted Spiegel of
South Salem, New York, for use in an article on American
Loyalists that will appear in National Georaphic early next
year. I have sent him a copy of your letter.

Again, let me thank you for your time and labor. You have
been very helpful.

Yours truly,



Overton G. Ganong


Historian


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GEORGIA HISTORICAL SOCIETY
501 Whitaker Street
SAVANNAH, GEORGIA 31401
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Mr. Overton G. Ganong
Historian
Historic St. Augustine Preservation Board
P.O. Box 1987
St. Augustine, Fla. 32084

Dear Mr. Ganong: Re your letter of October 17.

We have no more information on William Sime (Simes, Sims) than that
in Cutten's Silversmiths of Georgia, which you cite.

Dr. Cutten worked through our library pretty thoroughly when he was
researching for the book. I have found nothing more. However, Dr.
Cutten gave us his manuscript and notes. If you wish, we can copy his
full notes on Sime, paraphrased in the book. There is not very much
so the cost at 15< per page would be nominal.

Perhaps through a misprint the date of the Resolution of Loyalty which
Sime signed is August 1775, rather than 1774. (The Colonial Records of the
State of GeorgEia, comp. by A.D. Candler (typed, unpublished volume),
XXXVIII, pt.2, pp.19-21). Also the full citation for the Georgia Act of
Attainder, March 1, 1778, which Cutten did not give is The Revolutionary
Records of the State of Georgia, comp. by A.D. Candler (1908), I, pp.326-347.

We have on microfilm from the Public Record Office, London, the claims
of the Georgia Loyalists. There is none for William Sime. We have ab-
stracts of title for nearly all property in Chatham County, 1732-1850, and
there is no entry for William Sime. Nor is there any record of a grant or
tract to Sime in Col.Recs. Ga. He was apparently renting his living and
store quarters. There would have been nothing to confiscate except the
contents of his store. It seems apparent from what we know of him that
he had left Georgia before 1778.

As he was Scottish, he probably worshiped in the Independent Presbyterian
Church. The early records of that church were lost when the church burned
in 1796. Another old church (Georgia's first one) is Christ Church (Episcopal).
Its early records were also lost when that church burned. The only source
we have for early marriages and deaths is the old Savannah newspapers. Dr.
Cutten copied all the references to Sime listed in the index. I checked the
early South Carolina marriage and death records from early Charleston news-
papers to see if a marriage could have taken place there and found nothing.

I am sorry but we can add nothing more in regard to William Sime.


Sincerely,


(Mrs.) Lilla M. Hawes
P.S. I also checked our microfilm copy orc oia Austen Parrish's ReordS of
Some Southern Loyalists (typed ms. in Harvard College Library) and a--nne s ot in it




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October 17, 1974





Mrs. Lilla M. Hawes, Director
Georgia Historical Society
501 Whitaker Street
Savannah, Georgia 31401

Dear Mrs. Hawes:

We of the Historic St. Augustine Preservation Board are trying to
find information on a Loyalist silversmith/goldssmith named William Sime
(also Simes, Sims) who worked in Savannah during the late 1760's and early
1770's. We believe this individual came to St. Augustine as part of the
Loyalist immigration of those years, for in a census of 1784 there is a
William Sims, silversmith, listed as a resident. However, we have un-
covered no documentary evidence, apart from their identical occupations, -+a
William Sime and William Sims were the same person.

Letme summarize what little information we have. Sime was Scottish,
had worked in London before emigrating to America. His first documented
appearance in Savannah dates from 1768, when he advertised in the Georgia
Gazette (April 27) with a partner, Jacob Moses. Three other announcements
in the Georgia Gazette March, 1769, April 20, 1774, and January, 1775,
prove that he continued to practice his trade in Savannah at least until 1775.
After that we lose track of him. (All the references above, by the way, are
from George Barton Cutten, Silversmiths of Georgia, pp. 102.03, 146. ) We
know he was a declared Loyalist. He signed a resolution supporting the
Crown in 1774 and was among those proscribed by the Georgia legislature on
March 1, 1778. Presumably, he fled the state before or soon after that act.
After 1778 we have no reference until the record of William Sims in St. Augustine
in 1784. At that time he was listed as having a wife and son. We presume he
left Florida (he does not appear on later censuses) but do not know where he
went.


















My questions for you are these. Do you have marriage and baptismal
records that might indicate the date of his marriage (if he married in Georgia)
and the names of his wife and son? Do you have records of confiscated Loyalist
property that might refer to him, to his possessions, and possibly to the date he
left Georgia?

We would appreciate any information you could give us. If you do find
anything, please cite the sources of your information, since this material
will be included in a formal report.

Thank you very much for your assistance.

Yours truly,



Overton G. Ganong
Historian


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