Group Title: Historic St. Augustine: B7-L8 Oliveros
Title: [Letter to Earle W. Newton re Manucy]
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Title: Letter to Earle W. Newton re Manucy
Series Title: Historic St. Augustine: B7-L8 Oliveros
Physical Description: Correspondence
Language: English
Publication Date: 1962
Subject: Saint Augustine (Fla.)
59 Saint George Street (Saint Augustine, Fla.)
Oliveros House (Saint Augustine, Fla.)
Spatial Coverage: North America -- United States of America -- Florida -- Saint Johns -- Saint Augustine -- 59 Saint George Street
Coordinates: 29.895869 x -81.313065
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Bibliographic ID: UF00091332
Volume ID: VID00012
Source Institution: University of Florida
Holding Location: University of Florida
Rights Management: All rights reserved by the source institution.
Resource Identifier: B7-L8

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SW M S^0 JUL 27 1962
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July 25, 1962

Earle W. Newton, Executive Director
St. Augustine Restoration
and Preservation Commission
46 St. George Street
St. Augustine, Florida
Dear Mr. Newton:
Thank you for your nice reply to my letter
of last week. I did not mean that you correct it
to the prose. Sorry I did not make myself clear about
that. I was thinking so strongly about the real facts
en the house that I suppose I did not explain my self
I meant correct your files in ease they were
as pictured in the record article. Por example..."te the
general publio".....Mr. Newton, "finding foundati-ca of
the Manuey House" in one part of the context and "using
the 1788 map as a guide" in another out
the wrong information. The next time (if any) that an
article comes out on this house, you can quietly insert
the proper background. But I never meant you to correct
it publicly new.
Yes, family information and its overlapping
eennections sometimes tells the full story of a house.
Oftentimes it helps understand the reasons for transfers
of property. I would like to know how and when Mr. John
Nanuey got the house, tee. And if ever I get to the Court
House or the abstract office in line of duty with my work
I ean find it quickly. If se I will let you know. Just
in case you have not pursued it.
I never mean to needle any of you. I only want
the proper basie of every house to efll into its proper
place. Hence my concern about the "Balazar" and my interest
in the "Rodriguez", both of which I feel are, and of right
ought to be, in line for correction.

eanor P. Barnes
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July 20, 1962

Re: Manuey" Hose
By: Eleanor P. Barnes

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,"eo. l..Puente: 1763, Sq. E, No. 85. House of Masonry, PEDRO GOIALE
[ Here what you need to know is that Pedro Gonzales was
from Salicia, Spain married 3/2/1733 Isabel Rodriguez
in St. Augustine] Alse what you must have is the fast
that they had a son, Juan Crisostone(or Christobal)
Gonzales, b. 1737 in St. Augustine. And that this family
left for Havana in 1763.
No. S: The iPsh list gives the name of Pedra Gonzales under
a "no entry". (No. 31)

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P es: My file on old houses. This one tabbed "se called Manuey
but if the old stone one, the OLIVEROS
House, built 1798.

Note: I had high hopes that the Restoration would proceed
properly with these old houses. The seal of your approval
should carry weight and respect but some ef the things
yeo allow released to the press show a lack of knowledge
ef the restoration situations. I wish you would eerreet this.

There are three points to consider in relation with this old
house if in truth it is.
Point ene: If it is the Manuey House then it is sempar4tively
modern. Mr. John Manuey -as net born until 1880 and not married
until 1850. [See Licenses, St. Johns County, April 4, 18501

Point 2: If you seek in a scratch dig to take this to the
1788 Map and restore a house, then you de NOT have the Manuey
House but the Pedro Genaales masonry house.
Point 8t If this is in truth the TWO STORY COQUINA senstrueties
sold in 1815 then it is the OLIVErOS HOUSE and definitely built
after Oet. 4, 1798.

A knowledge of the families s necessary to preeeed properly.
NAM=....names...names and their eennections spell out the

Let us give you a proper run down:

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No. 3....This was the Grants Bloee during the British Peried.
Moncrief, de Sells and Jeffry all shew a house here
in this area during that time.

No. 4,...In 1783 the Spaniards returned.
[ What you need to know here is that young Juan C.
Gonzales married a native St. Augustinian girl
in Havana during their sojourn there. Man. references
but see...Census, 1786, Ne.I' and Cathedral Parish
Marriages, Canova transcripts, p. 25 and page 3 for
substantiation) He died and the widow returned to
Florida with her children. She was JUANA MONTES de OCA.

Ne. 5...o

No. 6:

No. 7,....

The Roeque Map, 1788, Sq. 2, No 9. Hse of WOOD..
etc....JUANA ONTE: de Oca...( .hat you need te know
here is that Juna, Mrs. Juan Gonzales, returned to
the site of her father-in-law's home. But new she
eeoupies a house ef weed. HENCE the old masonry GONZALES
place is gene.

New for the fall treatment:

Esarituras: No. 384 v..Oct. 4, 1798 Maria Genzales Kentes
de Oea acting fer Rafael Savedra de Espinesa sells to
SEBASTIAN OLIVEROS a LOT...same beubdries, same dimensions
.....( Now what is absolutely necessary to knew is that
Maria is daughter of Juan C. Gonzales by Juana Montes de
Oea, and she is the wife of Rafael Savedra de Espinesa.
She married him Dec. 7, 1785. CPR. Canpva Trans. p. 3.)
So what happened here is the little wooden house they
had occupied was no longer here, even as her grandfather's
masonry house was gone. So she sells the let to OLIVERO8.
.New see Eserituras No. 61. v. April 29, 1815.
Catalina Usiaa sold this TWC STORY COQUINA HOUSE to
OGasar Arnau. Recites property...and adds that SEBASTIAN
OLIVEROS BUILT the house having bought let in 1798.
(What you have to know here is that Catalina Usina was
the wife of Sebastian Oliveros and after his death
in 1814, th- widow married MARK MANUCY, 1816. I have
a photostat of this marriage at our Hist. Library.)

No. 8...... Mr. John Manuey was their son. He married Dionieia
Garrida April 1850,
NOTEt My research ended here but the abstracts should tell
ut11ase(if it did) passed from Gaspar Arnau to

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