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Publication Date: July 20, 1954
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VOh. 87.] SAINT VINCENT, TUESDAY, 20 JULY, 19.54. [No. 43.


No. 349.

Sealed Tenders are invited for the
provision of motor cars for the convey-
ance of public officers during 1955.
The Tenders submitted should con-
tain particular s of the charges proposed
to be made for waiting. Rates submit-
ted should not exceed those contained
in Statutory Rules and Orders, No. 15
of 1947.
The contract will be terminable by
one month's notice on either side,
and the person to whom the contract
is awarded will be required to enter
into a bond with Government for the
satisfactory performance of the con-
Tenders close at 3 p.m. on Friday,
27th August, 1954, and should be ad-
dressed to the Establishment Officer,
and distinctly marked on the envelope,
"tenders for Motor Car Service ".
Government does not bind itself to
accept the lowest or any tender.
20th July, 1954.
(P. 21/1941).
No. 350.
Mr. E. F. GLASGOW, as Adlition;al
Magistrate, District IIF, Sr. Vincent,
with effect front 17th July, 1954.
20th July, 1954.
(P. F. 637).

No. 351.
With reference to notice No. 215 pub-
lished in the Government Gazette of
20th April, 1954, Mr. N. A. AKTOINE,
Assistant Master, St. Vincent Grammar
School resumed duties with effect from
9th July, 1954.
20th July, 1954.
(P. F. 595).

No. 352.

Mr. JOHN MORDECAI, Executive Se-
cretary of the Regional Economic Com-
mittee, leaves by BOAC for London this
morning. He has been urgently called
to assist in expediting the completion
of negotiations with the principals of
the Company whose offer for instituting
an intra-regional steamship service wvis
recently accepted by the Regional Eco-
nomic Committee on behalf of all the
Governments. It is understood that
special efforts are being made to acel-
erate arrangements in order thbt lie
service which will provide a link Le-
tween the Eastern Caribbean tc(r:itories
and with Jam;ica, can b.- started before
tlih end of this year.
Mri. MORDECAT expects the procedure
to allow for consnltaiions with thie Co-
lonial Office and with the appropriate
depart cents of the British Govelnmient
proceeding concurrently with mgiotia-
tions with the operators. A provisi nal
draft Agreement could then be prepared

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and examined by legal experts on this da\s Ol dinance, all Public Offic s' 'ill
side. The Government of Trinidlad has be closed on thak day.
been requested by the Regional Econo- 20th July, 1954.
mic Committee to undertake this task
on behalf of all the Govw.rniments. Final No. 357.
sutbmissioi0s could thlu be put to region- VACANT P05I S.
al Legislatures for approvall at a fairly
it is un ler.Aiood that the lR-gional PRISONS, GRENADA.
Economic Committee al its recent meet-
ing antloris-d Mr. MORDECAI, in con- Applications are invited for the post
saltation with th, Comptroller and the of Superintendent of Prisons, Grenada.
Colonial Oi1ice, to take all steps neces- The salary of the post which is pen-
sary to bring tlihes shipping negotiations sionable is at the rate of $2,880 x $120-
to a safe ain s.tLisfactory conclusion. $3,600 per annum (600 x 25-750).
REGIONAL ECONOMIC COMMITTEE, A commencing salary above the mini-
BARADOS num may be paid depetndtnt upon the
20th Jnl, 1954. experience and qualifications of the
0th Jly, 19 successful candidate. The appointment
No. 353. carries with it the liability to transfer
LEGISLATION. to any post ol equivalent status within
Sthe Windward Islands.
The under-mentioned Ordinan ces Unfurnished quarters are pioviiied
which have been assented to by His for which the officer will be required to
Excellency the Governor are published pay a rental not exceeding 10% of his
for general information with this issue salary.
of the Gazette:- Free passages will he protid((l for
No. 26( of 19,51.-An Ordinance to the officer, his wife and children not
amend the Motor Vehicles and exceeding five persons in all. Vacation
Road Traffic Ordinance, 1940. leave will be granted at the rate of one
(J.29/1950). and a half mouths for each period of
No. 27 of 1954.-.1n Ordinance to twelve consecutive months r sidentser-
controlthe importation of anim- vice. Leave passages aie provided in
als, birds, reptiles and insects, accordance with local regulations.
and to regulate the treatment The officer will be responsible for the
and disposal of animals which supervision and management of the
are suffering or are suspected to Prisons Department in accordance with
be suffering from any disease, the provisions of the rel.ev;nt Ordii;nance
and for other matters related an.d Regulations. He will also Ie sub-
thereto or connected therewith. ject to Colonial Regulations, G(ner:i
(M. 2/1942). Orders and Financial Rules in force in
20th July, 1954. the Colony.
Applications must be in the appli-
No. 354. cant's own handwriting an(i should
state :-
The Accounts of the Colony for the (2) School or Schools or Universitv
period 1st January to 3(th April, 1954, at which educated and CerIificates
are pnblihhed with this issue of the or Diplomas obtained.
Gazette. (3) Nature of Iresent and past em-
20th July. 1954. ployment with dates.

(F. 20i1952 II).

No. 355.
Copies of the Hansard Legislative
Council Proceedings and Debates in the,
third session (1953-1954) held on the 7tl
Jan uan:y, 1954, which may be seen at their
Governittent Office, Kingstowmn Librairy
and all revenue Offices and Distriict
Post Offices are published with this
issue of the Gazette,
20(h July, 1954.

No. 356.
Monday the 2nd August. 1954, being
a Bank Holiday, under the Banlk Holi-

(4) Amount of monthly sihlary or
wages earned in the post in which
applicant was last employed.
(5) Past experience in work of the
same or similar kind to that re-
quired in thte post aidvertis (6) A)pplie;ni s sl ould also furnish
testimonials (which i\ ill not lie
returned) cr tified is true copies
by a Justice of the Peace or a
Minister of Religion or a Head
of Department.
Applications which do not contain
the required information will not be
A Medical Certificate from a Govern.
meon t Medical Offlc(r should be fur-
n lihed.

SAINT VINCENT, TUESDAY, 20 JULY, 1954.-(No. 4:1). 251

The selected candidate will be ex- No. 310.
pected to assume duty as from 1st Octo- GENERAL ELECTIONS, 1954.
ber, 1954.
Applications should ] be addressed to
the Secretary, Public Service Commis- The notice of prospective candidates is
sion, Government Office, Grenada, to drawn to the following provisions of the
reach him not later than 1I5th August, St. Vincent (Legislative Council) Order
1954. in Council, 1951 :-
20th July, 1954. Section 10 of the Order in Council pro-
(A. 15/1950 I). vides that no person shall be qualified to
be appointed as a Nominated Member or
elected as an Elected Member of the
No. 346. Council or, having been so appointed or
VACANT POST OF STOREKEEPER, elected, shall sit or vote in the Council,
PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, who at the time of appointment or elec-
ST. VINCENT, B.W.I. tion-
(b) (i) in the case of a Nominated
Member holds any public of-
Applications are invited for the post fice; or
of Storekeeper, Public Works Depart-
ment, St. Vincent. (ii) in the case of an Elected
Member, holds, or is acting in,
The post is pensionable and the salary any such ofice.
scale is $2,304x$96-$2,784 per annum.
No C'st of Living Allowance is payable Section (1) of the Order in Council de-
and Quarters are not provided. fines public office" as follows :-
The Storekeeper will b)e personally "'public office' means, subject to the
and financially responsible for:- provisions of subsection (3) of this sec-
oirt onr ffice nf owmnriwor+ irn '.der

(i) checking, handling and storage
of all scores received by the
Public Works Deparimen t,
(ii) checking and packing of stores
(iii) maintaining stocks of1 each arti-
cle, as laid down for the store
(iv) losses or waste of stores or irre-
gular issues.
Applicants should have technical
knowledge of the work ordinarily .lone
in a Puld]ic Works Department, e.g.
Building Maintenance and Constr action,
Road Maintenance and C-nstruction,
Water Supplies, Mechanic Shop Work,
Applications should be submitted to
the Assistant Administrator and Estab-
lishment Officer, Government Office,
and must reach him not later than 14th
August, 1954.
13th July. 1954.
(1154136 (B).

Municipal Corporation within Saint Vin-
cent ".
Any person who intends to contest a
seat at the forthcoming general elections
and who holds any public office within
the meaning of this term as defined
above should vacate such office before
nomination day.
It was declared by the Saint Vincent
(Legislative Council) (Public Offices)
Ordinance, 1952 (No. 14 of 1952) made in
pursuance of the provisions of subsection
(3) of section 1 of the Order in Council--
that the offices of Chairman and Member
of the Kingstown Board shall not be pub-
lic offices for all or any of the purposes of
the Order in Council.
Members of other Municipal Corpora-
tions who are in receipt of payments (by
whatever name called) from such Corpo-
rations would appear to be affected by the
above provisions.
15th June, 1954.

No. 325.

IT is hereby notified for general information that in the event of a hurri-
cane threatening or approaching the Island, the following warnings will be
given :-

Rural Areas
including the

Cautionary Warning A white flag with a black
(when news received of centre will be flown from
an approaching hurricane) all Police Stattions.
Loudspeaker and radio an-
nouncements will be made.

Warning to take cover Church bells will ring for a
period of five minutes.

SA.IN \'INU'NT'. TUESDAY, 20 JULY, 1954.--,No. 43).

Cautionary Warnig A white flag with a- black
centre will be flown from
the Police Barracks.
Loudspeaker and radio an-
nouncements will be made.
Three saluting guns will be
fired from the Police Bar-

'Warning to take cover The Government Cotton Gin-
nery whistle and a siren
from the Police Barracks
will be blown for a period
of five minutes.

Stth Jul., 1954.
(W. 25/1949).

By Command,

Government Secretary.

20th July, 1954.


The undermentioned person was regis-
tered as a Mid wife on 12th July, 1954 :-

Medical Name. Residence

Y CATO, EILEEN Georgetown

The undermentioned person was regis-
tered as a Midwife on 13th July, 1954:-

Medical Nae
Medical Name. Residence.

1 JOHN, ELSIE Kingstown

The undermentioned person was
registered as a Midwife on 17th July,

Mesictl Name. Residence.

I SMITH, IRMA Kingstown

The undermentioned person was regis-
tered as a Trained Nurse on 12th July,
1954 :-

Medical Name Residence

V CATo, EILEEN Georgetown

The un (lerimention ed p'rion N as regis-
tered as a Trained Niure on 17th July,

Medical N
Medic Name. Residence.

I SMITH, IRMA Kingstown

Medical Registrar.
17th July, 1954.
(M 4/1950).




All rates and charges in respect of pri-
vate water services connected to the
C.W.D.A. Mains for the current year were
due and payable on the 30th day of June
this year.
Consumers who have not paid the rates
and charges due are hereby notified that
if these sums still remain unpaid after
three months, that is, at 30th September,
1954, the rates and charges due shall be
increased at the rate of six per centum
and the service will be disconnected on
1st October, 1954.
for Chairman,
Central Water Distribution Authority.
Public Works Department,
8th July, 1954.

Kiiigstown ...

[Price 24 Cents.]

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Saint Vincent government

v. 87 no. 43

Ordinance No. 26 of 1954

Ordinance No. 27 of 1954

Supplement: The Accounts of the
Colony for the period 1st January to 30th
April, 1954



Thursday, 7th January, 1954

The Honourable Legislative Council met at 10 o'clock this morning.

[MR. PRESIDENT in the Chair]
His Honour W. F. COUTTS, C.M.G., M.B.E., Administrator.


The Honourable

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E. F. GLASGOW--Acting Crown Attorney
P. R. ELLs-Colonial Treasurer
W. A. HADLEY-lst Nominated Mem'ber
E. A. C. HUGHES-2nd Nominated Member Z
J. A. BAYNES-Member for St. George
R. E. BAYNES-Member for Kingstown
G. H. CHARLES-AMember for Central Windward
A. C. CYRUS-3rd Nominated Member
E. T. JOSHUA-Member for North Windward
S. E. SLATER-Member or fNorth Leeward
H. F. YOUNG- Member for South Leeward
C. L. TANNIs-Member for the Grenadines
L. C. LATHAM-1-Member for South Windward.


Oath of Allegiance.

The Minutes of the Sitting of the Coun-
cil held on the 17th December 1953 hav-
ing been circulated were taken as read
and were confirmed.

New Member, Welcome of
PPESIDENT : Honourable Members, I
would like to welcome to your Table the
new Member of this Legislative Council
Chamber, the Honourable Member f6o
South Windward District. T feel, and no
doubt you also feel, that the chair for this

legislator has remained vacant too lon'.
We are glad, therefore, to see a new Mem-
ber and we wish him the best for 1954 and
perhaps we may also say good luck in the
middle months of 1954.

Loan (Economic Development) Ordin-
ance, 1951, Passing of
PRESIDENT : You will see on the adden-
da to the Order Paper a Bill which I pro-
pose to take through all it .stages tdday,
and which refers to the Loans which this
Colony may raise overseas or is in the
process of raising.
I have received from the Sec'tary of
State the following telegram :-
Uncertainty about the outcome of
Sugar Factory proposal has no doubt
led to postponement of action to amend
or replace above Ordinance. It now
seems clear that the Sugar Factory can-
not be proceeded with in the near fu-

4th Sitting

ture. Moreover, combined total of ad-
vance account sanctioned for Ware-
houses, Market and Arrowroot Factory
now substantially exceed amount pro-
vided in schedule to Ordinance. You
may therefore wish to consider whether
in order to avoid possible inconveni-
ence, Ordinance should be amended or
replaced to cover variation in loan pro-
gramme approved since it was passed."
The Crown Agents cannot make ad-
vances and as you know we have a num-
ber of projects in hand, the Kingstown
Market, the Bonded Warehouse and the
Schooner and Shipping Wharf, all of
which need money urgently and the
Crown Agents cannot make these ad-
vances without covering sanction from
St. Vincent and the Schedule amends the
amount that the Crown Agents can raise
to $1,464,000. I propose, therefore, to taKe
that amendment Ordinance through all
its stages today.
You will notice when you receive a copy
that we have included the Schooner and
Shipping Wharf project and on which I
think all Members are particularly anx-
ious to see something done, so as we have
not taken the liberty of including the Su-
gar Factory we have included money for
the Wharf instead.

TORNEY laid on the Table the following
papers :-
1. Council Paper No. 68 of 1953-Min
utes of Finance Committee Meet-
ing held on 3rd November, 1953.
2. Council Paper No. 69 of 1953-Ju-
veniles (Courts) Order, 1953.
3. Council Paper No. 70 of 1953-Miu.
utes of Finance Committee Meet-
ing held on 17th November, 1953.
4. Council Paper No. 71 of 1953-Pub-
lic Relations Annual Report etc.

for North Windward, gave notice of the
following questions :-
1. What was the reason for scrapping
the air field at Diamond?
Was Government advised by ex-
perts on a proper site for erecting
a future air port?
When does this Government in-
tend connecting up St. Vincent
with the world air lines by erecting
a suitable air field in the Colony.
2. Would Government state whether
anything was done as regards the
Rent Restriction Ordinance as a re-
sult of recent motions brought to
the Legislative Council asking for
increased restrictions. Has Gov-
ernment any intention to see that
the house renting population get
some measure of protection against
landlords as a consequence of the
acute housing shortage in the
3. Has the question of the Ware-
houses and Wharf for which plans
were drawn for a port at Kings-
town died its natural death? If
not what has the Government now
to say on the project?

for South Leeward, asked the following
questions :-
1. Will Government state whether
any and, if so, what prior approval
is required in order to sanction the
lending of Government funds to a
private individual or Company?
2. If any approval is required, w:!l
Government please state whether
such approval was obtained in the
case of, the recent loan which was
made, or intended to be made, to

Hon. Member for Kingstown said, some
people get the butter, the cream and
when you call upon persons to show yoa
their boundaries and such persons do not
know what you yourself do not know-
your own boundaries-how are you going
to establish boundaries? We all know
that students are going to study survey
in; and start work in the next two year.;
What is this? Is this a Hitler Govern-
ment that Government can call on me
anytime to survey my lande? Am I go-.
ing to pay for something when you can-
not tell me where my boundaries are?
But you are going to call upon me 'and
tell me to survey my lands. Let us Je
sensible. Don't come and tell me it is 6o
be surveyed every ten years. And if the
Crown happens to gain 50 acres of laad
from a survey, that land belongs to its
subjects and then Government can put
it into the hands of poor people who have
no lands but I thinly the onus is on the
Government to see where their bound-
aries stop and I cannot support this Mo-
tion and I suggest we go into Committee
stage to discuss it.
IHON. E. T. JosHUA: Mr. President,
Hon. Members, I have seen a motion here
tha.t's very vital and important listed on
the Order Paper and I have also heard
discussions which are tantamount to
telling me that if Government wants
their land surveyed one of our friends
must pay for it. When we were in Fin-
ance Committee we listened to top Offi-
cials saying that half the cost should be
S.! ]i: 1 to people of this country which
is ad absurdtum. We must produce money
so that the owners of lands could pay
hali and Government pay the other half.
Those who are ignorant of triangulation
do not know what will happen when
paits of a country are surveyed in spite
of a topographical survey being made.
This is not the first time a number of
questions regarding the big planters is
brought up here, but no one seems to
want to speak freely on matters affecting
the big planters; whereas beneficiaries
of the Carib country cannot show bound-

aries-of course this question concerning
the boundaries of the Carib country can
be the cause of removing my head from
my body, but people are living on a rocky
ledge without a piece of land for exten-
Before anyone can claim lands it is ne-
cessary for Government and the people
of such holdings to establish the true and
proper boundaries to whatever holdings
there are. This is only in cases of dis-
pute not for those who know that his
boundary is defined. That means a fun-
damental land settlement scheme. You
cannot touch the big land owners, any-
thing affecting them cannot be spoken
while they are asking the poor man of
this country for further surveys. The
outcome will be the Crown will produ,'e
a plan at a terrific cost. What we have
to do is to make the scheme of survey a
reality and an accomplished fact, but
there are those who when it comes to
helping the island will stall any plan as
soon as it suits their purpose.
I-ION. G. H. CHARLES : Mr. President,
Hon. Members. as it was clearly outline
it ij hard that Government can call on
any land owner and say well, look I
want you to show me your boundary ".
As the Honourable Member clearly sail
these must be some dispute between the
land lords because one thing we have to
realise-I know my constituents so well,
members poor and rich-and that is if
you take Lowmans Windward where i
few people have a few small land hola-
ings and you pass a motion to tell these
pocr people that they must survey lands.
they cannot get money to buy food and
th.y must give money to the Government
to survey lands-it just cannot work. Let
me say this clearly that if you call a sur-
veyor to survey a little more than a quart-
er of acre of land, they demand plenty
money. Then you ask the poor people t,
survey lands that their grandfathers left
thr-m a little bit of money to buy. When
I see something beneficial to everybody
of St. Vincent I will support it but one
thing I have to say, this. is a new year and

I am willing to face facts and I am not
going to put up my hands for any non-
HON. A. C. CYRUS: I rise to oppose
this motion very strongly. If I agree to
a rlotion such as this then I cannot be on
good terms with my conscience after that.
We have to remember that there is a
scheme to have surveys carried out
through the length and breadth of this
Colony. We know too well that to carry
ouc this survey it will take an enormous
amount of money and stretch over a num-
ber of years. Look at the enormous
amount of money you are asking the pe -
pie to put up apart from the fact that it
is their money that will be paid to carry
out this survey and then to come again
ard pay half of whatever this survey
costs. To me, anybody will be justified
in saying this regime is a reign of terror.
I cannot be a party to that at all. I
think we all should be unanimous i-a
throwing out this motion.
HON. W. A. HADLEY : Mr. President,
Honourable Members, the Honourable
Member for Kingstown said that the pe.-
ple who own large areas of land have
been encroaching on C:own Lands, but
that is not so, because 95-96% of the
Crown lands is bounded by lands owned
by small land owners, who grow mainly
provisions. The suggestion is that son'e
of the big land owners are encroaching
heavily on Crown lands, that may be so,
bu, big land owners are not encroachirng
any more than small land owners and
when yod have to pay on every piece of
land you will find whether that owner is
encroaching or not. Clear boundaries
should be laid down, they should have
been laid down when the land was rented
by the Crown. If Government suspects
any land owner of encroaching on the
land they should call upon him to survey.
There are hundreds of cases of people
who own lands bounded by Crown lands
but they certainly cannot afford to pay
for a survey and certainly should not be
called upon to re-survey every ten years.
But some of the boundaries put on Crown

Lands by Mr. Kernshaw many years ago
are still in existence on the lands. There
are hundreds of small owners and the
bulk of them have lands bounded by the
Crown lands. But you may or may not
know that I myself have settled disputes
on boundaries between owners in the
Lowmans districts. I go there three days
arguing and sweating and eventually I
get a line to work on, but I cannot possi-
bly vote for this motion. It would be a
very nice thing to have Government sur-
vey the lands but you will have to take it
individually in cases where you suspect
that an owner is encroaching, but if every
owner is to be called upon to face land
surveys I say you cannot do it. Govern-
ment must maintain the boundaries that
were laid down when the land was sola.
Perhaps owners that can afford it can sur-
vey theirs. If Government told me
"Look here you are encroaching on
Crown lands ", I would want to satisfy
myself and call in a surveyor -but every-
body would not be able to do that. So
this Motion is absolutely no good.
HON. J. A. BAYNES: Mr. President,
Hon. Members, I think I had a good esti-
mation of all of you when I listened to
the various talks made by members
around this-table on a motion so simply
put. In my opinion, it has done one
thing, it has shown the actual measure
of responsibility you have with respect to
the people of St. Vincent. It seems to
me that you do not know how much pow-
er Government has and who is Govern-
ment. It is my opinion that members of
this Body keep hiding to express their
views. If a line is put between two pieces
of land the maintenance of that line does
not hinge any more on one than the
other. If I have to maintain the line yoo
will have to maintain the line too. I
have listened to the dissention of my col-
leagues and was surprised at the views
expressed. This is a simple affair, it' s
something that is to be done sooner or
later and I listened to the First Nomin-
ated Member saying that you have more
than 95% of the land held by small land
owners, and 5% by big land owners. How

the Saint Vincent Banana Associa-
3. Will Government state what au-
thority exists for the appointment
of the Government Auditor as Au-
ditor to a private Company?
The President gave the following re-
plies to the questions by the Honourable
Member for South Leeward:-
1. Prior approval of the Governor
and Secretary of State is required
to sanction the lending of Govern-
ment funds to a private individual
or Company.
2. The loan which was recently made
to the St. Vincent Banana Grow-
ers Association was made from
C.D. & W. funds. Governor's ap-
proval of the loan being made was
signified in his telegram No. 358 of
19th October, 1953; the Secretary
of State's approval being signified
in his telegram No. 56 of 24th Oc-
tober, 1953.- The Honourable Mem-
ber's attention is also drawn to
Minute -No. 214 of the 22nd Sep-
tember, 1953, in which the Finance
Committee of the Colony als
agreed to this loan on principle.
3. Wherever he sees fit the Governor
may recommend that the Govern-
ment Auditor should undertake
the audit of a private Company or
other outside Body. The final de-
cision, however, on all work under-
taken by the Government Auditor
rests solely witlfthe Director Gen-
eral of Colonial Audit.

Schedule for Excess Expenditure,
Approval of
I beg to move that this Council approve
the Schedules for Excess Expenditure in-
curred from the Loan Fund during the
years 1950, 1951 and 1952.
second the motion.

Question put and agreed to, that this
Council approve the Schedules for Excess
Expenditure incurred from the Loan
Fund during the years 1950, 1951 and

Claims, Payment of
HoN. J. A. BAYNES : Mr. President, Hon-
ourable Members, I beg i:o move that:-
WHEREAS it is the practice of the Trea-
sury Department to p y all claims for
work done by daily w jrkers on roads
-and other routine work carried out by
Government in Kingst:.wn Court Yard,
Barrouallie Post Offic and George-
AND WHEREAS this : methodd of pay-
ment is breaking up the economy of
the daily workers, siih.e he is some-
times forced to spend half of his tiny
earnings for transpol .ation and the
many trips he is forceC to make due to
lack of proper method i: the settling of
BE IT RESOLVED that the Treasury De-
partment designate a paymaster from
its staff to pay claims twice per month
in the various districts of the island.
I think that this Motion does not re-
quire very much outline because it is my
opinion that this should have been done
years ago. In my estimation, the march
of time brings changes in every country
and as a consequence every other island
has made plans along these lines since
the actual work done in those islands ex-
ceeds threefold or fourfold the work done
here.. When I see every Soturday when.
claims are being paid in the Court yard
people who come from the country dis-
tricts have to wait until 2 o'clock before
they can get their money to do some shop-
ping-the little mon.y that they come
for-and sometimes they have to come
back another day, I think the thing has
lonp. served. its purpose and as a conse-
quence I brought thi; motion here.
Now, what I have outlined is merely one
phase of it. You have people coming to
you nearly every day of the week com-
plaining: "I was supposed to be paid;

I was instructed to come in and collect
my claim, and now that I have come,
there is no claim". Then they go back
to Public Works Department and come
back again only to hear that the claim is
not yet sent down. As I see it when a
man works for his money he should not
have any trouble in collecting the money
for which he works. I wonder if the
average persons responsible for the pay-
ment of these claims take into account
that these people leave the country
sometimes without a single penny in
th6ir pockets for a claim which may be
lying there, only to be told that the claim
is not ready yet. He cannot pay trans-
portation back out. I think.people who
woik in the roads and do menial jobs,
jobs on which Government depends,
should be given some type of considera-
tion. In October, some people were tra-
vellng to Barrouallie and they were
drowned. That act as I see it should
have forced Government to change the
position which has beengoing on for so
many years.
I believe that you Gentlemen around
this table should see no defect in actually
supporting a motion such as this, which
hardly requires any more outlining.
HoN. R. E. BAYNES': Mr. President,
Hoinourable Members, I beg to second this
motion. In my opinion there could nevwr
be a fairer exchange for wages than la-
bour, and there are a few things which I
think are customary but which I feel are
quite wrong.
Now I cite a case here : some time ago
a man had a claim due him for $1.01 and
he had to come to Kingstown to collect !t,
but when he got the claim he had to turn
around and look for.someone to identify
hirr. Sir, I say I do not see why such
hardships should be inflicted on a man
when he works for his wages. We are liv-
ing in a civilised age and we must come
out to improve the position which suited
our grandfathers.
In the light of these facts I support
this Motion.
dent, I think the Honourable Member for

St. George has been to some extent mis;
informed. 'He said all claims are payable
in the Kingstowr Court Yard, Barroual-
lie and Georgetown. I think he was un-
aware that the Treasury has pay centres
in existence in Mesopotamia, Chateaubel-
air, Colonarie, Layou and Barrouallie. All
these pay centres operate throughout the
yeaa. Some of them three or four times
per month. There is another point
which should be borne in mind, that is,
that the workers state where they wish
to be paid and the paysheet is made out
accordingly, and payment made at the
place chosen by the worker.
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: Mr. President,
Horourable Members. I want to make
an observation. I rise to support this
Motion and to refer to a few remarks of
the Colonial Treasurer. Like this section
of the House, I feel that what appears to
be in existence is a system Of Govern-
ment operating practices. This is what
rates as important : I am satisfied that
Civil Servants are getting the dirty end
of the stick. It is a fact that the Head
of Department for whom is provided
every facility, does not supervise'enough
what are their responsibilities. The civil
servant gets the blame and I am refer-
ring to the Honourable Colonial Treasurer
today. We only have. things here exist-
ing in theory and nothing in practice.
Some definite means of payment should
be made in the districts in which workers
work, overhead costs, etc. should be il-
lowed to him. We should demand some-
thing for the responsibilities which our
citizens have given us.
like to explain that all claims and pay-
sheets are actually marked according to
the place at which the payment is made.
It was from this source that I derived
the information as to the pay-centres in
HON. E. T. JOSHUA : The Honourable
Colonial Treasurer says that the location
is marked but that means nothing to the
average worker here.
HON. A. C. CYRUS : Mr. President, Hon-
ourable Members, like the Treasurer, I

know that for some time now there are
quite a few pay centres established
throughout the country but I feel that
they are not enough. I suggest to the
Honourable Mover of the Motion that the
Motion be changed to read that a few
. more centres should be established".
HON. H. F. YOUNG: Mr. President,
Hon. Members, I believe I have a practi-
S cal experience of the set up. I happen to
be a Road Warden, Chairman of the La-
you Town Board. There is such a thing
as the Vote Book and the particular Head
under which all claims should come up
before they can be paid. I was at the
Public Works Department ard most of
the time when claims come up they lie on
the desks and the people are told that
there is no claim, and they keep on work-
ing on the regular maintenance work.
The Revenue Officer, Barrouallie, takes
the cake too, not being fast enough and a
lot of people are suffering because of that.
On the Leeward Coast where the Reve-
nue Officer travels-I do not say there is
much to complain of-there is a lot of
trouble when the work is heavy and that
causes a jam. And I say that in cases
where there are big projects pay them on
the spot.
HON. S. E. SLAIER : Mr. President, Hon.
Members, I want to rise to inform the
Treasurer that although there are thes3
Pay Offices at Barrouallie and Chateau-
belair, etc. the people still suffer. When
the Revenue Officer goes to Chateaubel-
air to pay, people leave their respective
homes and go to Chateaubr-lair and then
they are told that claims are not there.
They are then forced to get a boat to go
to Barrouallie and everyone is aware that
these people are unfortunate so that
whatever they earn they look for it right
away. I am asking that this Administra-
tion see to it that they send claims down
right away so that the people won't
HION. W. A. HADLEY: Mr. President,
Hon. Members, this matter was brought
up sometime ago and discussed and on ac-
count of that discussion extra pay offices

were set up. I won't vote for this Mo-
tion. I think a motion of this sort
should be thoroughly gone into first ana
surely the facts are that everyone should
try to assist the people to get paid as soon
as possible. There are quite a, number or
pay centres and if these pay centres were
efficient the people would go for their pay
there. A man has nothing to complain
of'with the present system because some-
time ago it was much worse than it is to-
day. We felt then and I feel now that
the system can be improved by efficiency.
That is the problem and T feel that in
this matter the question of the depart-
ment running these places efficiently
should solve the question at the proper
HON. G. H. CHARLES : Mr. President,
Hon. Members, I don't know much about
the out districts but I do know what hap-
pens in Kingstown. I can testify to the
hardships which have beset some of
these men. It is not everybody who likes
to endorse a big sum of money. Some
time in last year I endorsed a claim for a
large sum of money and it was the wrong
claim and it called for a lot of hardship
and confusion to get that sum back. What
I suggest is the Driver for that place
should present himself so as to endorse
these vouchers, that's what I feel. He
just doesn't know who to approach to get
a claim endorsed. Or the Road Overseer
should present himself a, the Treasury
Court Yard. I would not be able to make
any further recommendations.
Question that this Council approve
the designation of a paymaster from the
Treasury Department staff to pay claims
twice per month in the various districts
of the island put, and agreed to.

Lands bounded by Crown Lands,
Survey of
EON. J. A. BAYNES : Mr. President,
Hon. Members, I beg to move that
Whereas, due to lack of surveys of
holdings of lands bounded with the
Crown, there seems to be confusion
variation of acreage from time to time;

And Whereas. due to the growing de-
mand for lands from the Crown it is
necessary for Government and peoples
of such holdings bounded with lands of
the Crown to establish their true and
proper boundaries;
Be it resolved that this Government
call upon such persons to have their
lends surveyed immediately and every
ten years thereafter Government bear-
irg half of the cost of such surveys car-
ried out."
Mr. President, Hon. Members, I am
awre, that this administration has gone
all out to see what can be done by bring-
ing in experts to establish proper bound-
aries of the Crown lands but that is tak-
ing too much time and we may not be
able to find the money to complete these
surveys. As a consequence I feel that
now that there is demand for Crown
lands-the people interested in banana,
etc--something should be done actually
to set up proper boundaries between their
pieces of land adjoining Government's.
What I have noticed is that they seem to
have actually increased the number of
acres, by recording the number increased
without having bought lands. It is ill
these Crown lands that I am speaking
about. So that if these men claim more
lends you would be able to establish prop-
er boundaries by asking Irnd owners to
co-operate by surveying the lands imme-
diately and asking Government to pay
half the cost. Perhaps I take this suo-
ject that looks so big as a simple matter
because, as I see it, if you have something
to decide on you needn't keep shirking it
from time to time.
We cannot establish a proper St. Vin-
ceni and be afraid to make decisions,
hence, I think my colleagues should offer
a Motion such as this their whole heart-
ed support since it serves to bring about
a quicker understanding and better
chance of progress.
HON. S. E. SLATER : Mr. President,
Hon. Members, I beg to second this mo-
tior and I would like to say that this Mo-
tion needs a lot of consideration and I do

believe that Members sitting here are all
aware of the facts stated in this Motion.
I am sure that we all are willing to co-op-
erate and support this Motion because it
means more to St. Vincent than many
people think.
HON. C. TANNIS : Mr. President, Hon.
Members, I think that a Motion of this
sort should have been more carefully set
out. This Motion, as it stands here calls
for a survey every ten years. I do not
think that is so necessary, at least it is go-
ing to create a lot of hardship for a lot
of people, fortunate and unfortunate. I
mean those who are fortunate to have a
piece of land to survey, and who have to
stand the expense and are called upon in
the next ten years to resurvey. This Mo-
tion should be put off and studied a little
more carefully and framed better than
this so that we can have something more
HON. R. E. BAYNES: Hon. President,
Hon. Members, I am here to support this
Motion. What the Honourable Member
for the Grenadines does not seem to un-
derstand is that the Motion seeks to get
people who have lands bounded by
Crown lands to have such lands surveyed.
It does not call for everyone to survey
their lands. Government is trying to get
a survey of this Colony carried out, the
cost of which is terrific but advantage
should be taken of this survey as it is im-
portant. Who benefits from the land,
not the land owners? The people who
own large areas of land have been en-
croaching on the Crown lands and wher-
ever these people have lands bounded by
Crown lands these areas of land grow.
Well it is time that this is stopped. Now
you have so many acres of land last year,
you have so many this year well let us
see how you got it. Somebody is losing
lands. I do not think that I need make
any further comment.
EON. H. F. YOUNG: Hon. Members,
my friend the Honourable for St. George
means well-I see my friend laughing-
because we all want lands and even the
existing Crown lands, as mry friend the

can a man stand tip and tell us that? We
are all aware that 27,000 acres of arable
land means 20,000 of arable land held oy
big land owners and 7,000 by the Crown.
You are aware that the Crown land is
bounded from the end of Fancy up to
9 Park Hill. Here and there you have a
few small owners but nothing to talk of.
When I am here I have to ask myself
S whether I actually know the actual
mountains of St. Vincent. While Gov-
ernment has already supported a survey
to establish proper boundaries between
lands of the Crown and free hold prop-
erties, I think that even that is dodging
responsibility which should not be thrown
on the tax payer. You are asking the
tax payer to pay.................
PRESIDENT: When you are speaking
for the second time on'a motion you must
confine yourself to summing up and you
must sum up.
HoN. J. A. BAYNES : I listened to my
colleagues around this table saying that
they cannot support a motion such as
this. I think a Motion like this should be
supported and such a decision rests with
the Gentlemen. Although I am not a
land owner I am a man of the business
world I would like to remind you that the
mere fact that land owners have actual-
ly increased the acreage and if you look
you will find it on your records. There
are lands that grow corals but this is not
a land that grows corals. You must real-
ise you have persons who may have held
eleven acres of land and after ten years
they have 21, well it only goes to show
there has been encroachment from every
angle and such encroachment it is this
House's duty to determine or to devise a
Means to stop it. I would like to remind
the Honourable Gentlemen that sooner or
later to issue lands to persons the lands
Must be surveyed.
I leave this matter so that you will be
able to decide whether you should sup-
port it or not. I ask you to support this
Motion put to the vote and lost.


Accidents & Occupational Diseases
(Notification) Ordinance, 1952
move the introduction and first reading
of a Bill for an Ordinance to amend
the Accidents and Occujational Diseases
(Notification) Ordinance, 1952.
The object of this E11i is to correct
minor printing errors appearing in sec-
tions 2 and 7 of the Acc:dents and Occu
pat:onal Diseases (Notication) Ordin-
ance, 1952.
second that.
Question that the Bill be read a first
time put and agreed to.
Bill read a first time.

Loan (Economic Dc "ielopment)
(Amendment) Bill
PRESIDENT : Honourable Me m b e r s,
"Whereas it is provided in the Legislative
Council Rules, thai no Bill shall ce read
a second time before the expiration bf
seven days from the date of its publica-
tion and circulation to Members unless
the President, in 1 signed certificate laid
upon the table or otherwise communicat-
ed to the Council, shall have declared
thol the suspension of this Rule is in the
case of the Bill specified in his Certificate
in .he public interest;
I do therefore by virtue of the powers
vested in me by the said Rules certify
that the suspension of the said Rule in
the case of the Loan (Economic Develop-
ment) (Amendment) Bill is in th'F public
Question that the Bill be read a fir-t
time put and agreed t3.
Bill read a first time.

move the suspension of Standing Rules
and Orders in order that this Bill be
taken through all its stages................

HON. E. T. JOSHUA : It does not mat-
ter if you have a certificate or not and a
Bill is supposed to come through all its
PRESIDENT : According to Standing
Rules and Orders I have here a Certifi-
cate to allow this Bill to pass through to-
day. Lat the Honourable Member be ad-
vised that we have to suspend Standing
Rules and Orders in order to allow this
Bill to go through all its stages today.
move the suspension of the Standing
Ruies and Orders in order that this Bill
be put through all its stages.
HON. CROWN ATTORNEY: I beg to sec-
ond that.
HON. E. T. JOSHUA : Hon. Members, in
season and out of season in this Honour-
abl' House I have raised my voice
against the forced certificates attached
to Bills. I have visited the House of
Commons in London and was glad that I
ha. that opportunity in my life. The
President has presented us with a Bill
which he says is in the public interest
and he puts on a certificate and runs
through the Bill in all its stages but if a
Member puts up anything it is ruled out.
I can not see it from that point myself :
that a Bill with the vital affairs of the
people should be................
PRESIDENT : The President has no
powers to put this Bill through, the pow-
ers always lie in the hands of this House.
They may decide to put it through all irs
stages today, they may decide to put it
through another day. It does not lie ?n
the hands of the President at all.
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: It is only a mat-
ter of formality that the certificate is put
on. I am saying that the President
should be more given to democracy in
this House. Whether certificates should
be put on the Bill means nothing, once
the President decides to tell us that this
Bill is in the public interest.
HoN. H. F. YOUNG : Honourable Mem-
ber., I know that this Bill on Loans is in

the interest of St. Vincent and Finance
Committee have decided for a Ware-
house and Central Arrowroot factory, but
I would like to say that on the Leeward
side of this Island we have been getting
no factories to offer employment like the
Wildward side. I say that if a factory
is going to the Windward side which
grows more arrowroot that is right but I
am asking that if the scheme for a
Schooner and Shipping Wharf is not go-
ing to materialise if something can't be
done to help us out with that money. it
would be a blessing for this Island. I am
appealing to this House so that we can
also be given a factory to help us or some
other thing on that side.
Question put that the Bill be read a
second time and agreed to.
Bill read a second time.
move that Council resolve itself into
Committee of the whole house to con
sider the Bill clause by clause.
to second that.
Council moved into Committee.
Bill considered clause by clause.

Council resumed.
PRESIDENT : Honourable Members, I
have to report that the Ordinance to
amend the Loani Ordinance passed
through all its stages clause by clause.
move that the report be adopted.
HON. CROWN ATTORNEY: I beg to sec-
ond that.
Question that the Bill be read a third
time put and agreed to.
Bill read a third time.

Motor Vehicles and Road Traffic
Ordinance, 1940.
move the second reading of a Bill for an
Ordinance to amend the Motor Vehicles
and Road Traffic Ordinance, 1940.

Bill read a second time.
HON. CROWN ATTORNEY : I beg to move
that this Council resolve itself into a
Committee of the whole House to con-
sider the Bill.
second that.
Council moved into Committee.
The Superintendent of Police was in-
vited to take part in the discussions in
Committee and it was decided to leave
the Bill in Committee for further consid-
eration. ,
Council resumed.
PRESIDENT: I have to report that the
Road Traffic and Motor Vehicle (Amend-
ment) Ordinance was considered and left
in Committte for further consideration.
HoN. CROWN ATTORNEY : I beg to move
that the Report be adopted.
second that.
Question that the Report be adopted
put and agreed to.
Exchange Control Ordinance.
move the second reading of a Bill for an
Ordinance to amend the Exchange Con-
trol Ordinance.
HON. CROWN ATTORNEY: I beg to sec-
ond that.
Bill read a second time.
move that this Council resolve itself into
a Committee of the whole House to con-
sider the Bill.
S to second that.
Question that Council resolve itself
into a Committee of the whole house put
and agreed to.
Council moved into Committee.
Council resumed.
PRESIDENT: Hon. Members, I have t;
report that the Exchange Control Ordin

ance has been considered in Committee
and referred to a Select Committee of
this House.
HON. CROWN ATTORNEY : 'I beg to move
tha adoption of the-report.
second that.
Question put and agreed to.

Police Amendment Ordinance.
to move the second reading of the Police
Amendment Ordinance.
second that.
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: Mr. President,
this is what I want to know : how it is
that this Police Officers Bill has so
many amendments to it. This Council
should consider at the proper time the
regulations of, the Police Force. They
force this Bill through during my ab-
sence, I had no chance to study it as I
should. This Bill should have careful
consideration in this Council.
PRESIDENT : I believe this Bill was put
off for consideration at the last meeting
on the suggestion of the Honourable
Member himself.
HON. R. E. BAYf1ES: Mr. President,
Hon. Members, there are one or two
points I would like to speak on. One
which I would like to amend. It says
here a sum "not exceeding $48"; I feel
that the question of fine for $48 is far in
excess of what is actually being paid, of
course I do not know if they are both
synonymous. I don't think you should
set out to penalise a man.
Question that the Bill be read a second
time put and agreed to.
Bill read a second time.
HON. CROWN ATTORNEY : I beg to move
that Council resolve into a Committee of
the whole house to consider the Bill.
- second that.

Council moved into Committee.
Bill considered clause by clause and
amendment to clauses 1 and 3 made.
Council resumed.
PRESIDENT: I have to report that an
Ordinance to amend the Police Ordin-
ance passed through Committee with
small amendments to Clause 1 and cer-
tain amendments to Clause 3.
to move that the Bill be read a third time.

second that.
Question that the Bill be read a third
time put and agreed to.
to move the adjournment of this House.

second that.

Council adjourned sine die.


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