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Title: Saint Vincent government gazette
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Language: English
Creator: Saint Vincent
Publisher: G.P.O.
Place of Publication: Kingstown, St. Vincent
Kingstown St. Vincent
Publication Date: September 6, 1960
Frequency: weekly
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+ nblished b Sunthorit .

VOL. 93.] ST. VINCENT, TUESDAY, 6 SEPTEMBER, 1960(. [No. 41..


No. 278.
It is hereby notified for general information that in the event of a hurricane
threatening or approaching the Island, the following warnings will be., givn:--,

(1) A red flag with a black rec-
tangular centre xill be flown
on Police Headquarters.

(2) Loud Speaker and Radio
(3) Three saluting guns will be

RURAL AREAS (1) "A red flag with a black rec-
tangular centre-will be flown
from Police Stations.
(2) Loud Speaker and Radio
19th July, 1960.
(W. 15/1958 (B).)

(1) Two red flags with black
rectangular centfed'. one
above the other will -be
flown on Police-t Haiduar-
ters. A '. .
(2) Church Bells will iing for 5
minutes. .
(3) The Siten will'bl6 for 5
(1) Two red. flags with black
rectangular centres will be
flown Trom Police Statps.
(2) Church Bells will ri'f ~ "5

0N.. 5 ..
It is notified for general information that there will be a Meeting of ,4
Legislative Council, at the Council- Chamber, Kingstown, on Thursday,'pt~~,.
September, 1960, at 10.00 a.m.
The Order of the Day for this Meeting is published with this issue, of.e
A cordial invitation to attend is extended to the General Public. "
6th September, 1960.
(A. 10/1949.)


3 1.72 9




No. 353..

His Honour the Administrator has
been pleased to approve the appoint-
ment of Mr. GENE SMITH as Senior
Science Master, Grammar. School, on
contract for a period of three years in
the first instance from 3rd August,
6th September, 1960.
(P.F. 897.)

No. 354.

Mr. H. A. BOWMAN, Principal Secre-
tary, Ministry of Finance, has been
granted. 305 days' vacation leave with
effect from 1st August, 1960, prior to
retirement from the Service.
6th September, 1960.
(P.F. 75.)

No. 355.


Applications are invited for the va-
cant post of Book-keeper, Central Hous-
ing and Planning Authority. The post
is non-pensionable. Salary scale
$2,419.20 x $115.20-$2,875.20. Fur-
ther information may be obtained from
the Executive Secretary, Central Hous-
ing and Planning Authority.
SApplications stating age, qualifica-
tions, and experience should be sub-
mitted, along with two recent testimo-
nials, to reach the Chief Secretary, Gov-
ernment Office, not later than 15th
September, 1960.
6th September, 1960.

No. 356.

Applicants are invited to fill the
vacancy existing for an Announcer/Op-
erator, Windward Islands Broadcasting
Service, Grenada.
Candidates should possess the mini-
mum qualification for entry into the
Civil Service. A sound knowledge of
music and of Current Affairs is essen-
The person engaged will be required
to carry out Announcer's duties and to
control" programme outputs from the
Studios. The person will be expected to
think quickly, and deal effectively with
any emergencies that may arise, and to
develop some aptitude for programme
compilation under the supervision of

the Programme Director or his Assist-
The salary of the office is in the scale
$2,016 x $57.60-$2,304 per annum.
There is a possibility, but no guarantee,
that the salary may be revised shortly.
Applications must reach the Secretary
to Government, St. George's, Grenada,
before 15th September, 1960.
6th September, 1960.

No. 357.

Applications are invited to fill the
vacancy existing in the post of Pro-
gramme Assistant, Grenada, Windward
Islands Broadcasting Service, Grenada.
Candidates should possess the mini-
mum qualification for entry into the
Civil Service, or experience in modern
broadcasting technique.
The person engaged will be required
to assist the Programme Director in the
preparation of programmes and to pro-
duce programmes, and to undertake the
preparation and production of pro-
grammes in the absence of the Pro-
gramme Director. The person shall be
required to cover Outside Broadcast on
sporting events and to perform such
other duties as the Manager and Pro-
gramme Director may from time to time
The salary of the office is in the scale
$3,110.40 x $115.20-$3,456 per annum
and suitably qualified persons may be
appointed at the maximum of the scale.
There is a possibility, but no guarantee,
that the salary may be revised shortly.
Applications must reach the Secretary
to Government, St. George's Grenada,
by the 15th September, 1960.
6th September, 1960.

No. 358.

Applications are invited to fill the
vacancies existing in three posts as
Programme Operator, Windward Is-
lands Broadcasting Service, Grenada.
Candidates should possess the Cam-
bridge School Certificate. Experience
in radio is not a necessary qualification,
but previous interest in radio or electro-
nics as a hobby, and a keen ear for
music will be considered desirable attri-
Successful candidates will be trained
in the operation of receiving equipment,
recording equipment and broadcast stu-
dio equipment. Upon. completion of
training after two years experience,
Broadcast Operators will be eligible,
when suitable vacancies exist, for pro-
motion in either Engineering or Pro-


gramme Departments, depending upon
individual aptitude of the Operator and
subject to his having passed any profi-
ciency bar examinations which might
There will be a Probationary Period
of three months.
The person engaged will be required
to work under the direction and super-
vision of the Chief Engineer and to per-
form such duties as may be assigned to
him from time to time.
The salary will be in the scale $864.00
x $72.00-$1,296 per annum. There is
a possibility, but no guarantee, that the
salary may be revised shortly.
Applications should reach the Secre-
tary to Government, St. George's, Gren-
ada, by the 15th September, 1960.
6th September, 1960.

No. 359.

Applications are invited for appoint-
ment to the vacant post of Superinten-


St. Vincent, and in other relevant
legislation. In addition he will be
required to undertake such duties as
may from time to time be imposed
on him by the officer administering
the Government.
Candidates must be graduate Civil
Free first class passages to St. Vin-
cent will be provided on first appoint-
ment for the officer, his wife and
children (not exceeding 5 persons in
all); children should be under 18
years of age, unmarried and depen-
dent on the officer.
Leave and Leave Passages:
(1) If appointed on contract, the
officer will earn vacation leave at the
rate of one week for each completed
period of 3 months resident service.
(2) If appointed on transfer or
secondment the Officer will earn
vacation leave at the rate of 45 days
for each completed period of 12
months resident service.

lnt of Public works, St. vincent. Leave passages are provided in ac-
Appointment: cordance with local regulations.
The post is pensionable, but appoint- Applications giving full particulars,
ment may be made on a contract basis qualifications and 'experience of the
(non-pensionable) for a period of 3 applicant, and accompanied by three
years in the first instance. The Offi- testimonials (which 'will, not be re-
cer will be subject to the Colonial turned), should be addressed to the
Regulations, and local General Orders Chief Secretary, St. Vincent, The West
and Financial and Store Rules for the Indies, and should each him not later
time being in force in so far as they than 20th September, 1960.,
are applicable. 6th September, 1960.
The salary of the post is in the
scale $5,184 x $144-$6,336 per an-
num, and appointment may be made No. 360.
at any point in this scale depending LEGISLATION.
on the candidate's experience and
qualifications. It is expected that the The undermentioned Bills are pub-
salary of the post will be increased. listed with this issue of the Gazette and
Allowances: may be seen at Government Office,
A travelling allowance is payable Kingstown Library, District Post Of-
in accordance with local regulations. fices, Police Stations and at all Revenue

Quarters are not provided, but in
the event that Government quarters
become available, the officer will be
required to pay rental not exceeding
10% of his salary, or 5% of the ass-
essed value of the quarters, whichever
is the less.
The officer will be required to per-
form all duties appertaining to the
Office of Superintendent of Works as
laid down in Chapter 143 of the Re-
vised Edition (1926) of the Laws of

Bill for an Ordinance to validate the
Legislative Council (Electoral Dis-
trict) Order, 1960.

Bill for an Ordinance relating to dis-
qualification of persons for mem-
bership of the Legislative, Council
on account of. interest in Govern-
ment contracts.
(A. 13/1956.). r '.t
ith September, 1960.


No. 361.

Copies of the Legislative Council
Proceedings and Debates (Hansard) in
the First Session (1957-1958) held on
5th December which may be seen at
Government Office, the Kingstown Li-
brary, and at all Revenue Offices are
published with this issue of the Gazette.

By Command,

Chief Secretary.
6th September, 1960.


Evening Classes for Term III 1960
will start on Monday 12th September.
Tuition will be offered in the following
subjects:-English Language, English
Literature. Mnthematigs e nrpaT l

versity or College or holders of an equi-
valent qualification. Under special cir-
cumstances applications will also be con-
sidered from persons without a degree
or similar qualifications.
4. Awards will normally be made
for a period of two academic years, but
when a programme of studies so re-
quires, they will be made for a shorter
or longer period.
5. Each scholarship covers expenses
of travel, living and study during its
6. Further information may be ob-
tained from the Education Officer (Act-
Candidates who wish to be considered
for the award of scholarships must sub-
mit six copies of the prescribed appli-
cation forms duly completed together
with a medical certificate to the Educa-
tion Officer. (Acting), Education Office,
not later than 1st October, 1960.
Acting Education Officer.
30th August, 1960.


t. P"'J' The Government of Canada have in-
History, Health Science, Religious i ted applications for the award of
Knowledge and Cookery. vited applications for the award of
Knowledge and Cookery. Commonwealth Scholarships,, tenable in
Prospective candidates are asked to Commonwealth Scholarships,, tenable mn
register at the Education Department Canadian Universities to suitable men
as soon as possible, and all fees for and women from the West Indies under
Term III must be paid by 10th Septem- their Commonwealth and Scholarship
ber. No student will be allowed to at- Plan, 1961-62.
tend classes if his fees are unpaid. 2. Applicants should not have
Further information can be obtained reached their 35th birthday by 1st Oc-
from the Education Department. tober, 1961, but in special circumstances
this age limit may be raised.
J. J. ANTROBUS, 3. These scholarships are awarded
Acting Education Officer. for advanced study or research, and are
Department of Education, open to students who by September,
1961 will hold a bachelor's or, master's
St..Vincent, degree from a recognized university or
24th August,-1960. some equivalent qualification.' Under
_-.. special circumstances applications will
also be considered from persons without
UNITED KINGDOM AWARDS-1961. a degree or similar qualifications.
4. Awards will normally be made
The Government of the United King- for a period of two academic years but
dom have invited applications for the when a programme of studies, so re-
award of Commonwealth Scholarships, quires they will be made for a shorter
tenable in United Kingdom Universities, or longer period.
to suitable men and women from the 5. Each scholarship covers expenses
West Indies under their Commonwealth of travel, living' and :st'idy during its
and Scholarship Plan, 1961. tenure.
2. Applicants should not have 6. Successful candidates muit pro-
reached their 35th birthday by 1st Oc- mise to return to St. Vincent at the end
tober, 1961, but preference will be given of their scholarship period: '
to candidates who are i.ii-rwi-ei 22 and Further details may be obtained
28 years of age. from the Education Officer (Acting).
3. These Schblarships are awarded, .Candidates who wish to be coqiidered
for advanced courses or trseirch, and for the award of.scholarships mret sub-
are open to Students who are or, by the mit six, copies of the prescribed appli-
time of taking up an award is 1961, cation forms duly completed and sup-
will be graduates of a recognized Uni- Iporting documents (other than birth


certificates and medical certificate) to
the Education Officer (Acting), Edu-
cation Office, not later than 1st October,

Acting Education Officer.
30th August, 1960.


Term III, 1960.

Term III, 1960, will begin on Mon-
day, 12th September, 1960, at 10.30 a.m.

Acting Headmaster.
C ranuar School,
30th August, 1960.


Term III, 1960.

Term III. 1960. will begin on Mon-
day, 12th September, 1960, at 10.30 a.m.

Acting Headmistress.
Girls' High School,
30th August, 1960.



In accordance with the Provisions of
Regulation 8 of the Air Transport
(Licensing of Air Services) Regula-
tions, 1952, the Licensing Authority of
the Colony hereby publish the pre-
scribed particulars of the undermen-
tioned applicationss, to operate Sche-
duled Air Service(s) in, to and from
the Colony.
Any representations regarding, or
objections thereto, in accordance with
Regulation 9 must be received by the
Licensing Authority within 14 days af-
ter the date of the first publication of
this Notice.
1. Applicant: British West Indian
Airways Linited'.

2. Date of first publication of applica-
3. Route applied for: Trinidad, Gren-
ada, St. Vincent, St. Lucia, Barba-
4. Purposes of Service (Passenger,
Freight, Mails) :
5. Points of departure, final destina-
tion and intermediate points of call
-Point of departure, Trinidad.
Destination, Barbados.
6. Frequency of Flights: Once weekly.
7. Provisional Time Table:
8. Type(s) of aircraft: Douglas Da-
Chairman, Licen)sing A uthorily.
6th September, 1960.


It is hereby notified for general in-
formation that resumption -of export
of poultry to Trinidad is now being per-
As hitherto only cockerels would be
allowed and must be accompanied by an
Agricultural Department'Export Certi-

for Superintendent of Agriculture..
23rd August, 1960.


Under the Companies Act Cap. 219 of
the Revised Laws of St. Vincent 1926

All persons, being Managers, Direc-
tors and/or Secretaries concerned with
the management of Companies Regis-
tered under the Companies Act Cap.
219 of the Revised Laws for the Colony
of St. Vincent are hereby REMINDED
that failure to comply with sections 24
and 37 of the said Companies Act ren-
ders any such delinquent Company and
its Director Manager and/or Secretary
liable to a penalty of five pounds
($24.00) for EVERY. DAY during
which such default continues.
Companies and Persons defaulting as
above are hereby warned that if such
default continues on or after the 30th
September, 1960 the full penalty for
breach of the Law will be exacted.

Registrar of Joint Stock Companies.
23rd August, 1960.





Notice is hereby given that in Accordance with Section 49 of the "Land
and House Tax Ordinance", Chapter 194, as amended by Ordinance No. 12
of 1954, the following Properties which were sold for arrears of Taxes on 16th
July, 1960, will vest absolutely in the purchaser's name, unless the Owners
or any other person or persons having an interest in the properties sold pay
into the Treasury the Said Purchase Price Plus Ten Per Centum thereof before
the expiration of three (3) months from date of sale.

Acting Accountant General.

Treasury Chambers,
St. Vincent,
29th August, 1960.

Name of Owner
or Occupier

Situation of

Description of Amount
Property sold for


Browne, Joseph
Butler, Joseph Jr.
Corke, Randolph
James, Josiah
Joseph, Elisha
King, Clarence
Matthews, Nathaniel
Rodrick, Manoel

Franklyn, Smith

Richland Park
New Adelphi
New Grounds
Diamond Village
Madeira Valley


32 poles
5 ac. 1 rd. 0 pl.
1 house spot
1 dwelling house
1 dwelling house
1 house spot
1 dwelling house
1 house spot

1 dwelling house



80.00 16.7.60.



It is hereby notified for general information that the Quarterly Liquor
Licensing Session will be held in the undermentioned Parishes for the purpose
of hearing applications from applicants in their respective Parishes for the
granting of certificates in accordance with the provisions of the Liquor Licences
Ordinance, No. 11 of 1948, at the times and places stated hereunder:-

St. George & St. Andrew


St. Patrick

St. David

The Grenadines (Bequia)

(Union Island)

Time and Place of Session.
At the Court House, Kingstown, on
Friday, 9th September, 1960, at 2.00
At the Court House, Georgetown, on
Friday, 9th September, 1960, at 9.15
At the Court House, Barrouallie, on
Monday, 12th September, 1960, at
9.15 a.m.
At the Court House, Chateaubelair, on
Monday, 26th September, 1960, at
10.00 a.m.
At the Court House, Port Elizabeth.
on Friday, 2nd September, 1960, at
10.00 a.m.
At the Court House, Clifton, on Tuesday
30th August, 1960, at 10.00 a.m.


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Notices of intention to oppose the grant of any Certificate, stating in
general terms the grounds of the opposition, must be served upon the applicant
and upon the Magistrate not later than seven days before the day fixed for the
holding of the Licensing Session.
L. G. E. K. LEWIS,



St. George &
St. Andrew

Charlotte .

Names of Applican

Baynes Brothers

0. D. Brisbane &
Clothilda Browne

William Carr

Ina Cropper

B. A. DeShong

Alfred GoPaul

Viola Gumbs

Bertram A. King

Walfor A. Lewis

Sarah Lewis

David Mathias

Leon Parsons

Rufus Pembe:l on

Newton Providence

McConnie Yammie

Arnold Roberts

H. V. Soso

Henry Wiseman

Milton Williams

. Norville Browne

Sydney DaBreo

Gladys Jacobs

Roosvelt Nedd

Jonathan Sam

Sylvester Sharpe

Sylvanie Thomas

* Transfers.


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Hotel Pro-
Hotel Pro-




























Vermont Vil-
Arnos Vale




Richland Park


Lowmans Hill


Arnos Vale



Sion Hill

Chester Cottage

Park Hill

New Grounds

South Rivers

New Grounds



Situation of









Arnos Vale




Richland Park


Lowmans Hill


Amos Vale

Bay Street


Sion Hill

Chester Cottage

SPark Hill

New Grounds

South Rivers

|New Grounds

Lowmans Wd.

Lowmans Wd.



Situation of
Parish Names of Applicants Occupation Residence Premises

St. David .. Almenia Ottley Shopkeeper Chateaubelair Chateaubelair

St. Patrick.. Adina Richards Shopkeeper Coulls Hill Coulls Hill

(Bequia) .. Isola Frederick iShopkeeper Port Elizabeth Port Elizabeth

IVincent Bunyon* Shopkeeper Port Elizabeth Port Elizabeth

L. G. E. K. LEWIS,
Magistrate's Office. Magi.i,,
Saint Vincent.
9th August, 1960.


It is hereby notified for general information that a new shipment of veget-
able seeds has arrived and will be on sale at the Office of the Department of
Agriculture on Mondays, Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays between the hours
of 9 a.m. and 12 noon and from 1 p.m. to 3 p.m.; and on Wednesdays and
Saturday between the hours of 9 a.m. to 11 a.m.
The prices are as follows:-
1 oz. 1/2 o. 1/ oz. 1 pk.
Early Jersey Cabbage .. $ .40 .21 .11 .06
Succession Cabbage .. .40 .21 .11 .06
Flat Dutch Cabbage .. .40 .21 .11 .06
Marglobe Tomatoes .. .85 .44 .25 .12
Oxheart Tomatoes .. 1.35 .68 .35 .18
Beefsteak Tomatoes .. .88 45 .25 .12
Rutgers Tomatoes .. .65 .33 .17 .09
Chantenay Carrots .. .25 .13 .07 i -
Oxheart Carrots .. .25 .13 .07 -
White Spine Cucumbers .. .25 .13 .07 -
Honey Rock Cantaloupes .. .45 .23 .12 -
Detroit Dark Beets .. .20 .12 .06 -
Brussels Sprouts Island Improved .. .75 .38 .20 -
Bountiful Beans .. .10 .05 -
Giant Stringless Beans .. .10 .05 -
Red Kidney ,,. .10 .05 -
Burpee Improved ,, .. .10 .05 -
Jackson Wonder ,, .10 .05 -
Burpee Fordhook ,,. .10 .05 -
Burpee Big Six ,, .12 .0( --
King of Garden ,,. .10 .05 -
Kentucky Wonder ,,. .10 .05 -
Fava Long Pod ,,. .10 .05 -
Yellow Bermuda Onion .. .40 .21 .11 .06
Plain or Single Parsley .. .30 .16 .08
Crimson Giant Radish .. .15 .08 -
White Icicle Radish .15 .08 -
Scarlet Globs Radish .. .15 .08 -
Black Beauty Eggplant .. .50 .26 .13 .07
Purple-Top Yellow Turnip .. .12 .06 -


16th August, 1960.

Acting Superintendent of Agriculture.




Price Assistance
Scheme .31
Hurricane & Wind-
storm Insurance
Fund .125
Buying Operations .26

In accordance with Section 3 (2) of Administration Ex-
thE Banana Growers Association penses .3425
(Amendment) Ordinance No. 10 of Organization Expenses
1959, it is hereby notified that after & Loan Repayment .5 1.7875
consultation with the Minister for
Trade and Production, the Board of 4.50000
Management of the Association have de-
cided to reduce the price paid to grow- This change will be effective as from
ers to 4.5 cents per lb. after making the shipment scheduled for 6th September,
undermentioned deductions from the 1960.
price of 6.2875 cents per lb. receivable
from Geest Industries (W.I.) Ltd. By Order of the Board of Manage-

Price obtainable from Geest
Industries (W.I.) Ltd. 6.2875
Leaf Spot Control .25 0


2nd September, 1960.

[ Price 30 cents. I



...__ __--;_---_____==__~___





3rd Sitting

Thursday, 5th December, 1957

The Honourable Legislative Council met at 10 o'clock this morning,

[MR. PRESIDENT in the Chair]

His Honour A. F. GILES, Administrator.

The Honourable N. A. BERRIDGE, Acting Crown Attorney,

B. R. THOMAS, Financial Secretary, C.
E. A. C. HUGHES, First Nominated Member,
A. C. CYRUS, Second Nominated Member,
E. T. JOSHUA, Member for Central Windward,
S. E. SLATER, Member for North Leeward,
C. L. TANNIS, Member. for the Grenadines,
H. F. YOUNG, Member for South Leeward, .
L. C. LATHAM, Member for South. Windward,
A. B. DOSSANTOS, Third Nominated Member,
E. S. CAMPBELL, Member for Kingstown,
H. A. HAYNES, Member for St. George,
Mrs. I. I. JOSHUA, Member for North Windward.

The President opened the meeting with
the reading of prayers of Council.

The Minutes of the Meeting held on
7th November, 1957, copies of which were
circulated, were taken as read and were


' HON. C. L. TANNIS: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I beg to give no-
tice of the following question:
Is Government aware of the fact
that the people of the Grenadines
have suffered great hardships on ac-

count of the severe drought that hit
the Grenadines in the early and mid
months of this year.
Will Government make available a
certain amount of funds so that cer-
tain relief work can be carried out
before the end of the year.

Mr. PRESI]iENT: Honourable Members,
I have to announce that a communique
has been received through His Excellency
from the Secretary of State. It reads as
"I am commanded by the Queen to
ask you to carry to the St. Vincent
Legislative Council an expression of
Her Majesty's warm thanks for their
resolution of loyalty."

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HON. ChowN ATTORNEY: Mr. Presi-
dent Honourable Members, I have the
honour to lay on the Table the following
Council Paper No. 34 of 1957: The
Bequia District (Division into
Wards) Order, 1957.
Council Paper No. 35 of 1957: The
Colonial Hospital (Amendment)
Rules, 1957.
Council Paper No. 36 of 1957: The
Pensionable Officers Order, 1957.

HON. C. L. TANNIs: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I beg to move the
first question standing in my name:
Will the Minister for Social Services
please state what are the causes that
led to the removal of the upper classes
of the Clifton School to the Ashton
School; and will the Minister have
this matter adjusted by having the
Upper Classes returned to the Clifton
School; and will the Minister further
see that there is some reorganisation
in the staff of the Clifton School, fol-
lowing certain requests made to the
Education Department.
Mr. PRESIDENT: This question will be
answered in writing. Question No. 2.
Will the Minister for Trade and Pro-
duction state what are the possibili-
ties of raising funds for the imple-
mentation of the recommendations of
the Team of Experts and from what
sources; and will the Minister further
state whether the Team of Experts will
visit and report on the Grenadines
during their survey.
Mr. PRESIDENT: This question will be
answered in writing. Question. No. 3.
Will the Financial Secretary please
state what has happened to the
$30,000 placed in the Estimates for

loans for the replacement of shipping
re Hurricane Janet and indicate
whether the Secretary of State has
come to any decision concerning the
terms of the loans; and if the answer
is in the negative, will Government
send a cable immediately to the Secre-
tary of State for an urgent and final
decision about this fund.
Mr. PRESIDENT: This question will be
answered in writing also. Question No. 4.
Will the Minister for Trade and Pro-
duction make the necessary arrange-
ments to have the Fisheries Officer or
the Assistant Fisheries Officer appoint-
ed before the end of the year 1957.
Mr. PRESIDENT: This question will also
be answered in writing. Question No. 5.
Will the Minister for Trade and Pro-
duction arrange to allow duty-free
entry for the gasolene, kerosene and
Diesel oil used by local commercial
fishing boats in view of the high cost
of these items.
HoN. E. T. JosHUA: Mr. President
Honourable Members, the answer to that
question is as follows: Government
cannot entertain any general applica-
tion for the duty-free importation of
gasolene, diesel oil and kerosene for use
in self styled commercial fishing boats.
Consideration could, however, be given
to the extension of such a facility to
regular fishing boats which are exclu-
sively employed in the fishing industry.
Each such application to be dealt with
on its merits.
HON. C. L. TANNIS: Perhaps the Min-
ister for Trade and Production would
like to state to this House what are the
self styled fishing boats he referred to
in regard to this question.
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: Schooners on the
regular trade with cargo, passengers and
freight are not fishing boats.
HON. C. L. TANNIS: Is the Minister
aware of the fact that I have asked a

question concerning fishing boats and
not cargo boats?
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: The question con-
cerning fishing boats has been adequate-
ly answered.
Mr. President: Question No. 6.
HoN. C. L. TANNIs:
Will the Minister for Social Services
state what is the present hold-up of
the teachers revision of salaries as
was finally agreed to by the Secretary
of State, based on the Petter Report;
and will he further state what time
payment will commence to be made
to the Teachers of this Colony.
HON. H. A. HAYNES: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, the Petter Report
has been accepted by the St. Vincent
Government and the Teachers Associa-
tion, and the Secretary of State has now
released funds accordingly. The Trea-
sury are now at work on the long and
elaborate lists necessary and the new
scales and arrears as from 1st January,
1957, will be paid before Christmas.
Mr. President: Question No, 7.
Will the Financial Secretary please
state whether the 20% increase which
was recommended to be paid to the
daily paid workers was approved and
what time will payment be made.
Mr. President: This question will be
answered in writing. Question No. 8.
HON. C. L. TANNIS: Mr. President,
before I proceed to ask the last ques-
tion standing in my name, I would like
to know whether these questions that
are supposed to be answered in writing,
is it not the duty of the Ministers con-
cerned to read the answer to the ques-
tion to the House.
Mr. PRESIDENT: NO that is not so.
That would be an oral answer. Only
three questions for oral answers could
stand in the name of one Member at any

Mr. C. L. TANNIs: To any one Minister?
Mr. PRESIDENT: In the name of any
one Member.
HON. C. L. TANNIS: Each Minister
can only answer three questions?
Mr. PRESIDENT: I will read the Hon-
ourable Member the rule: Rule 22:6:
"Not more than three questions re-
quiring an oral answer shall appear in
the Notice Paper in the name of the
same Member for the same day."
HON. H. F. YOUNG: Mr. President,
would it not have been better if you
had said so instead of saying that the
answers would be in writing, because you
had the right. It was not the practice
of this House from 1951 when the pres-
ent Government was on this side asking
questions I was going to ask whether
we are changing the Constitution. You
are quite within your rights to tell the
Honourable Member that you cannot
answer more than three questions. But
when you say that the answers would
be given in writing, it makes me feel
that you are covering up some of the
most important questions that we want
to find out.
Mr. PRESIDENT: I think the Honour-
able Member ..........
HON. H. F. YOUNG: ......... (inaud-
ible) ........... in fairness to you all
........ (inaudible).
Mr. PRESIDENT: The Honourable Mem-
ber must remember that I am on my
feet. I think the Honourable Member
is not being very sensible about this. I
explained the position to the Honourable
Member at the last meeting when he
gave notice of the questions, that only
three of them could be answered orally.
I think the Honourable Members will
find that the answers that are given in
writing, to the remaining questions are
full and satisfactory. The last question.
Will the Minister for Communica-
tions and Works state whether Gov-
ernment proposes to release the sum

of $4,500 asked for by the Bequia Dis-
trict Council which is the amount
necessary to bring their funds for
Maintenance of Roads in fair ratio to
funds approved for the other parts of
this Colony by the Secretary of State,
based on their mileage of roads.

HON. E. S. CAMPBELL: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, the answer to
question number eight is as follows:
The Grenadines form part of the Colony
and any sum to be spent equally applies
to them. The proportion of the block
vote which will be spent in any particu-
lar area depends on the economic signi-
ficance of the area.
The economic potentialities of the land
of the Grenadines is limited and so em-
phasis, in the development of the Grena-
dines, has beeli placed on the sea rather
than on the land. As a result more
money has been spent on Fisheries and
other saline schemes in the Grenadines
than in any other part of St. Vincent.
It is the intention however to allocate
from the Roads Vote such a propor-
tionate part as mileage and economic
potentialities considered together would
seem to justify.
HON. C. L. TANNIS: Will the Minister
please tell me whether this Board is
going to receive any funds?
HON. E. S. CAMPBELL: The share of
allocation that the Grenadines will get
will be considered along with the share
of any other constituency from the
block vote for road maintenance.
HON. C. L. TANNIS: Is the Minister
aware of the fact that. it is now the
month of December and these alloca-
tions have not been made? When will
the Minister be making the allocations?
Mr. PRESIDENT: That is a reasonable
supplementary question.
HON. E. S. CAMPBELL: In the. first
place, application was not made for an
allocation. When an application is
made and the correct amount required
stated, an allocation will be made.

HON. C. L. TANNINS: [Rose].
Mr. PRESIDENT: The Honourable Mem-
ber may ask a supplementary question if
he wants. If he does not, we will pro-
HON. C. L. TANNIS: Is the Minister for
Communications and Works after having
answered this question placed on the
Order Paper, now going to get up in this
House and tell me that application was
not made?
Mr. PRESIDENT: I must remind the
Honourable Member that he. must not
make a speech out of this. He may raise
a supplementary question out of the
answer given. He must not make a
HON. C. L. TANNIS: Mr. President, I
am sorry if I did stray a little. Why
then did the Minister attempt to answer
this question if an application was not
HON. E. S. CAMPBELL: The Honourable
Member will have to make an application
stating the specific purpose for which it
is required, the specific project on which
it is to be used. You will have to state
the roads and what type of work will
be done on that road before an alloca-
tion will be made.
HON. C. L. TANNIS: IS this a general
departure from the practice or ruling by
which the Secretary of State release
funds for this Colony of St. Vincent.
Mr. PRESIDENT: I do not think 'that
question fully arises out of the answer
that has been given.
HON. C. L. TANNIS: Mr. President, I
am sorry to say that I feel that this
question is relevant.

of the

PRESIDENT: My ruling has to
That question does not arise out
answer that has been given.

HON. C. L. TANNIS: Mr. President you
are going to say that funds were not
allocated for this Colony on the basis
and mileage of roads. Is the Minister
telling this House that funds were not

allocated by the Secretary of State based
on the mileage of roads of this Colony?

HON. E. S. CAMPBELL: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I have answered
that question about three times and I
am not prepared to answer it again.

HON. C. L. TANNIS: Mr. President, I
would like the Minister to state whether
the Secretary of State did release funds
from the budget according to the mile-
age of roads.

HON. E. S. CAMPfELL: The Secretary
of State has released funds based on the
mileage of roads; but that does not
mean that since it is calculated at $600
per mile, that every mile will take $600.
Some may take $800 while others may
only use $300. The Member for the
Grenadines must understand that each
specific road will only have an alloca-
tion as that road requires. If a road is
very bad you will find that. it has to get
more than $800 and if it Is in good
condition it will get much less than that,
and that also applies to the Grenadines.

HON. C. L. TANNIS: Is the Minister...
Mr. PRESIDENT: I think the Member
has had his fair quota of supplementary
questions. I cannot allow him any
more. I call upon the Honourable Min-
ister for Trade and Production to move
the motion standing in his name.

HON: E. T. JOSHUA: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I would like to
move an amendment to this resolution
on the Order Paper. After the word
"Industry" add'a second resolve: 'And
be it further resolved that sections 5
and 31 of the Banana Growers Associa-
tion Ordinance No. 44 of 1954 be amend-
ed so as to include the words "and the
Minister of Trade and Production" after
the word "Agriculture" in Section 5; and
"control by the Association of the ex-
portation of the plants of the banana
specifically set out in sub-section 3 of
section 31 of the Ordinance. That is the
amendment to this motion.

Mr. PRESIDENT: I think it would be
best.if I read that out myself. The mo-
tion will now read as follows: "Whereas
the Banana Industry is of the greatest
importance to the economy of St. Vin-
Be it resolved that Government ex-
amine carefully the finances, constitu-
tion, and administration of the St. Vin-
cent Banana Association, to ensure that
these are adequate to the needs of this
growing industry.
And be it further resolved that sec-
tions 5 and 31 of the Banana Growers
Association Ordinance No. 44 of 1954 be
amended so as to include (a) the words
"and the Minister of Trade and Produc-
tion" after the word "Agriculture" in
section 5; and (b) Control by the Asso-
ciation of the exportation of the plants
of the banana specifically set out in sub-
section 3 of section 31 of the Ordinance.
I must apologise to the House that
copies of this are not available to show
to Members. The effect of this further
resolve is to foreshadow amendment to
the Ordinance. This House is resolving
that the Ordinance could be amended
and the tvo ways in which it is proposed
that it should be amended by this re-
solve are first of all, that the Minister
for Trade and Production should be a
Government Member of the Board along
with the Superintendent of Agriculture
and the Financial Secretary; and (2)
that the export of banana plants should
be only through the Banana Association
as in the case with banana fruits at the
moment. That is what is intended by
this resolve. It is not a legislation, but
it is a resolve calling for legislation.
. HON. H. F. YOUNG: Mr. President, I
do not know if you will mind me saying
something at this point. This Banana
Association ..........

Mr. PRESIDENT: I think the Honour-
able Member can make it in his speech
generally. That will come later in the
HON. H. F. YOUNG: I want to ask a

Mr. PRESIDENT: I think you can ask
a question relating to the amendment.
HON. H. F. YOUNG: The Banana Asso-
ciation is a Statutory Body, and amend-
ing their law, would it not be better
procedure if the matter was discussed
with the Association first.
Mr. PRESIDENT: That is the Honour-
able Member's opinion, but in the mat-
ter as to whether it is the right of this
House-it is the right of this House to
make a resolve, and you will notice that
it would have been possible for the Gov-
ernment to have come to this House with
a bill to give effect to this and for me to
have read a Certificate of Urgency. In
fact the whole thing could have gone
through in one meeting of this House if
the Government had decided and the
majority of this House voted for it. But
as it is what the Government has done,
in order to give notice of their proposals
and rouse interest in their proposals,
and I imagine to allow people to put
forward their representations, is to move
a resolution in the House forecasting the
bill. I think that clears up the Mem-
ber's point about allowing for discus-
sion and for the public and the Associa-
tion to know what is being discussed
and intended.
HON. C. L. TANNIS: Mr. President be-
fore the speech is resumed, could I sug-
gest or move that we be given more time
to consider this resolve.
Mr. PRESIDENT: What I think the Hon-
ourable Member is asking for is in fact
done by the method that the Govern-
ment has decided on, that is, moving a
motion in the House forecasting the
bill. As I said, if a bill had been brought
here and put through all its stages in
one day there would have been argu-
ments to say that full consideration had
not been given to it either by Govern-
ment or by the Opposition. As this is
now to be debated and a full month
must elapse before any legislation could
be initiated, I think the point made by
the Honourable Member is unnecessary.
I call upon the Honourable Mover to

HON. E. T. JOSHUA: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, the motion I be-
lieve tabled in this House concerning an
industry which is practically the biggest
item of trade in this Colony, and of
course it would be reasonably accepted
here that at the beginning of this Bana-
na Industry, it could not have been
necessary to have all the facts, all the
ordinances, all the control necessary and
all the administration that would apply
to such an industry. As an industry
grows it would be discovered in many
ways how inadequate the administration
might be and it might be discovered
that fuller scope to protect the growers
and the Association, is necessary.
The question of this amendment was
raised by the Banana Association itself.
They needed this protection and it is
from the angle itself and growers that
this well merited amendment came.
Another point to be considered is that in
the last Government the Minister for
Trade and Production was also Chair-
man of the Association and it could have
been possible in a budding industry, that
has not yet' taken full fledged form, that
no line of demarcation could have been
made specifically between the Minister
for Trade and Production and a Com-
pany having a statutory ordinance. This
is why that amendment seeks to do an
early rectification because when you
examine the local press you see duels
fighting there week after week among
banana growers. One banana grower
attacking another banana grower and
we cannot refrain from seeing that on
both sides there are justified arguments
when such things are put up to the
public here and there.
In the motion proper: "Whereas the
Banana Industry is of the greatest
importance to the economy of St. Vin-
cent .......... It is because we have
noticed that many of the first class
arrowroot fields are being converted into
banana fields. It is true that a country
that depends on one crop might be in
jeopardy because the axe of God may
fall and the banana industry in the West
Indies is subject to tropical storms and

hurricanes. You may expect the axe of
God at any time to blow down all the
banana trees; but it is one of the quick-
est crops for money and of course the
financial economic stress and strain we
are undergoing now permit us to get
money. But that should not allow us
to ignore the fact that since this item
of trade becomes the principal one, we
should have adequate scope in the Asso-
ciation itself to control with facility such
an industry. It has been stated, and the
figures are authentic, that this trade is
already casting a sum of $85,000 per
week and that is sufficient to tell us that
this Government should do all which lies
in its power to cooperate with that in-
dustry so that it should do the greatest
good in the country for the greatest
The industry as it is now running has
many points to -be desired and many
points to be rectified. Here recently,
agents of Van Geest Industries Ltd. of
London, came and complained, for in-
stance, that the alternate handling in
London shows that the fruit leaving the
field or on transportation trucks to the
depots, are badly handled and that many
of stems reaching England have defects
and cannot be sold. Cable telegrams
and long documents of complaints have
been received by the Ministry for Trade
and Production and of course we would
be short-sighted if in the quickening
space for carrying these loads we did not
see even by legislation or otherwise, or
by propaganda that something be done
to protect the trade. The mere reaping
of the bunches of bananas in St. Vincent
was not the most important part of that
industry, but the presentation of our
consignment to the English market.
Banana is a precarious crop. We have
to be careful with such a crop from the
planting of the stool to the reaping
thereof. We have not yet discharged
our obligations unless we can prove that
up to the time that those bananas enter
the steamships and arrive in the United
Kingdom, we have done all which lay in
our power to have those bunches of
bananas shipped out of this country in
good condition. If that be so then, there

is scope and ample scope to put our
method of transporting our bananas for
sale on a better footing. It might be
that legislation or otherwise, propaganda
alone may riot do it, because some like to
move by commands-not voluntarily.
The possibilities would be explored to
find out in due course what steps would
be taken t6 preserve our banana grades
as far as the transporting methods and
reaping methods are concerned.
It has been seen, and the public saw
it on several occasions, that although it
can be said that banana is a precarious
crop, they are carried openly. The
slightest pressure or force applied to a
stem, and you will have the marks re-
maining on that stem and when it is
ripe for sale the marks will be visible.
The English housewife buys with her
eyes, the taste will take care of itself.
So if we add to that that we had a good
name when the crop started, and-even
when the methods of reaping the
method of transportation was a little
backward, we had a better name than
the last name that came by cable and Ly
correspondence, telling us that we must
be careful with the industry. Therefore
we must do everything to protect it.
Arrowroot has slipped back several steps,
cotton has been destroyed actually and
it takes a long time to come back on its
footing; so that is why any Minister for
Trade and Production would bring such
a motion to this Honourable House to do
all which lies in its power to take care
of the industry. I see a few bananas
raising their heads in the Grenadines
The question too of certain accounting
methods of the Association. We would
speak advisedly, we would speak with
precaution if we said here that that
Banana Industry seem to have out-
grown itself, in that its present manage-
ment needs to keep pace with the In-
dustry which is developing at a rapid
rate. Every time reaping takes place we
have a few thousands of stems added
and we are not sure that adequate facili-
ties are there both for accounting and
also to satisfy the vast amount of large
and small peasants alike in this Indus-

try. The question is a complicated one.
Take the question of manure for ex-
ample. In an indiscriminate manner. a
sum is deducted from all banana growers
for fertilisers and there are complaints
throughout the whole colony that grow-
ers are wholly discontented concerning
the manner and method by which ferti-
liser money is being collected' It would
be that because that is not marked or
defined, the growers themselves, through
no fault of the Association, cannot get
their just due and we are still afraid,
could not know and keep a proper check
as to what is their indebtedness to grow-
ers from whom they have taken too
much money and the grower himself will
not know how much money is actually
paid for his indebtedness to such an
It is true to say that many complaints
have reached the Ministry for Trade and
Production for such a small item. Peo-
ple do not know better and they flock
there, so chat there is always a march
from Ministry to Banana Association
Office. For such a small item this shows
us quite clearly that there seems to be no
water tight way in which the accounting
system could account for that amount
deducted from peasants and growers for
fertilisers. Hence it is true to say as the
resolve in this motion seek that Gov-
ernment examine carefully the finance,
constitution and administration of the
St. Vincent Banana Association to ensure
that they are adequate to the needs of
the growing industry, and I may say, an
expanding industry. And if we continue
to build on the base of a structure that
cannot take too many stories well the
whole thing would topple over. Suspi-
cion we cannot prevent but of course we
can make a system so clear that we can
actually make it a guarantee 'to the
growers, that faith and confidence can
be had in such an industry which means
so much to the Colony.
The next point is that officers in the
various depots according to the methods
in which branches are formed for the
protection of the fruit that really grows
outside the town-we have no means by
which we can grow bananas in Kings-

town, we handle here-therefore the sys-
tem of setting up these various bodies
to deal with the banana, shows that it
needs some kind of revision. The last
portion of the resolution which for clear-
ness, which for debate has been added,
seeks to do this. The OppLsition queried
it; but the first part of that amendment
is clear. The second part is clearer in
that the Association itself asked for pro-
tection so many months ago, but what
form of protection as to the plants of
the banana would take, was not decided
by them until large shipments of banana
plants in an indiscriminate fashion took
place in this Colony and made them
appeal to the Ministry for some form of
protection. It was stated by them that
if the Banana Association did not have
control of the shipping of plants it would
have been a disadvantage to an Associa-
tion that should control the plants from
which the banana is derived. It might
be that when plants are needed here it
would be very awkward to tell producers
of bananas what they could do or what
they .could not do with their plants.
There is nothing in the present Ordi-
nance to tell them what to do with their
plants and I think that that is so obvi-
ously in need of an amendment, that
after hearing a query made by the Oppo-
sition, I should make it clearer to them
that that was a long over due- request
made by the Banana Association itself.
It is very clear-when we say Trade and
Production-that our Ministry would
have no meaning whatever if the law, in
the form of the amendment, did not in-
clude the Ministry at all. Up to now
there is nothing at all connecting Minis-
try of Trade and Production with the
Banana Industry which is a crop that is
leading item of trade in the Colony.
As I said just now, the reason was
obvious and I have explained it briefly.
Well this is a' resolution as a whole to
tell this House since there is an Ordi-
nance in the Statute Book, governing
such an industry, when that Ordinance
was made no one knew that that trade
would have expanded so rapidly. It is
an expanding trade and this industry
needs comparatively a new amendment

Ordinance, to include all the points that
could not have been seen when the in-
dustry started with that Ordinance.
I suppose, the Hon. President made
quite clear, we could have brought a bill
here and asked for a certificate of
urgency in this House, but the motion
has come that the time would afford
Members, the Association would not
want time to consider their very amend-
ment and we saw it very clearly here
that if the Association were to control
the industry in a fair way, they should
have control over all the facts that con-
cern the Banana Industry. It is fair that
if the Banana Association wanted plants
for any specific purpose they could not
control plants in the island. They have
brought plants here for the industry and
now there is nothing in the law to show
how they can control plants when neces-
sary to do so. If you control the
bananas you should control the plants
that produce the bananas also. I be-
lieve that that amendment as the
Banana Association feels it is fair and
just, is added for the purpose of making
it one resolution instead of bringing
several resolutions on the Banana Ordi-
nance to this House.
HON. L. C. LATHAM: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I second the mo-
HON. H. F. YOUNG: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I do not believe
the Members of the Government would
expect me to get up and oppose a motion
like this, but there are some facts that
I am going to give because I am a
planter of bananas myself and the dele-
gate representing the Layou district on
the Association. And not using too
many I's I think I was responsible in
this House in the first instance for
changing it from a Limited Liability
Company into a Statutory Body. But I
wonder if we should not handle the mat-
ter concerning this industry with a little
more kid gloves. Unlike the Arrowroot
Industry that have big planters, and
legal advisers, etc. unlike the cotton
Association that calls for capital like the

arrowroot to plant and reap it, this
banana has reached the homes of the
poorest throughout the island. With a
little effort mother and son can dig a
hole in the ravines and in fairness to the
men who started the Association I think
they did a very good job. It is all well
to say that we should stick to arrowroot,
but as far as the peasants are concerned,
they had no factory. When they were
finished digging their arrowroot, there
was the question of the cost of trans-
portation to the factory, there was the
question of a portion taken out, etc. etc.
There was the question of three pay-
ments to wait for from the Arrowroot
Association. With the 'green gold' after
nine months, it is from home to Asso-
ciation and money instantly. Therefore
that poor-man with his little half acre
of land can make more out of banana
now than out of anything like arrowroot
or cotton. Therefore then, he must
plant bananas, it is human nature.
The Association went out and got
plants for us on the credit system and we
start selling bananas and start 'paying
them back. Most of us have paid off for
our plants but it is a perpetual thing and
if you know how to care bananas you
will find fertilizer thrown into it means
a lot, As too many children should not
be in one room, so it is that too many
suckers must not be in one hole, there-
fore when you start suckering you then
transfer some of the suckers to another
spot. It is a perpetual thing as you con-
tinue to care that banana. Then you
can well see how important that fertili-
ser is to the small man regardless of
what you have to say, and this is facing
facts. He had not the ready cash to
pay for it but by credit he was able to
get it and so he produced a ten-hand
instead of a four-hand bunch, and if he
did not get it then he did not have to
pay. After getting it, as most of us
know, my good friend the Minister for
Social Services and Mr. Latham would
know that this is no criticism today-
when that poor chap got that fertilizer
he was able to produce more and so we
got more plants. Gentlemen be careful

how you handle this Banana Associa-
tion. I know some of the faults, I hear
some of the complaints. I know our
people sometimes sell stems without
weighing them, and sometimes selling
under different names. It is true that
the question of payments and receipts,
because the industry is expanding so
rapidly; it is very hard to catch up and
give a return month by month. But we
must remember that it is the grower who
is paying for any expenses incurred in
the Association. We must also remem-
ber that if the Association employ an-
additional clerk, it would mean some-
thing to us. We must also remember
that the fertilizer that has been given to
us we pay for it little by little, and most
of us who are successful. in planting
would continue to owe because it is bet-
ter that way than to launch out four or
five hundred dollars to pay for it. Defi-
nitely you can see that.
As far as I can see the Association is
doing a wonderful job for this island but
at no time if the Association is honest
should they refuse an examination. By
all means have an examination, but in
doing it, being a statutory body and
being that we are very hard to get to-
gether, and it is the policy of Govern-
ment in all West Indian islands to allow
people to run their own affairs, be very
careful. Just recently the Cotton Gin-
nery was selling cotton for people and
making bargain for them, now they
have to bargain for themselves. It is no
good telling them to run themselves and
when they are formed to come back and
start to control. Be careful. It is better
we start to teach and wait a little longer
otherwise we would find it thrown back
on our laps. Is the Minister by virtue of
his office to control the Arrowroot. Asso-
ciation. All production that want help
should fall on the Ministry; but should
not be directly controlled. Direct con-
trol from the Ministry is killing the em-
phasis and killing the good work of
forming associations throughout this
Mr. President, our people need educa-
tion in all respects and with Federation
around the corner and this Government

in whom I have all hopes, who preached,
a Socialist Government and a Conserva-
tive Government, if I may say so, as the
Leader one used to say, I see a direct
left and right Government. I like that
because we might eventually get more.
Is this Government going to attack one
of the biggest industries in the island?
Be careful. I am not going to vote
against this motion. I am not going to
say that we should not have them ex-
amined, but I am going to give this little
warning, in doing it use kid gloves be-
cause our people have gone far in this
Banana Association. Some of us are
trying to get what we want, some of us
seeing that the bananas are paying are
worried, looking for lands. Some 0: us
seeing the Banana Association has
grown are now jealous. Be careful -hat
you do not break it down from the chaps
who know. If that industry means so
much to the economy of the country, it
means so much to the poor man to raise
his standard of living I would like to see
this Government start to think of edu-
cation in all aspects so that we can fit
our people and not interfere with some
of the things that mean the life blood of
the people. The Association is a statu-
tory body governed by law and it would
have been better if the Minister
for Trade and Production in his high
office had called in the Banana Board or
go to them and have a discussion, but
when you bring this motion to the open
House for debate-I hope he does not
misunderstand me-I do not believe it
should come here, being a statutory
body. The directors on the Board are
voted for by delegates from all over this
island. Some of us sit around here the
people did not vote us, but five is more
than four by one and in handling this
Association, I say again handle it with
kid gloves, because lots of us have gone
all out in this industry. Lots of us do
not understand the intricacies of the
marketing nor the keeping of the ac-
counts for fertilizer. Lots of us do not
under the shipping details. I speak as
a grower of bananas. There is the ques-
tion that sometimes you get 7 cents in
the open market. There is the question
of the cess and the cost for handling.

By all means see what is the cess and
what is the difference between the dif-
ferential and what they are paying us
and what is the cost for handling. Let
us see what you can do. And if you can
handle it along these lines, we may be
able to get more out of our labour. Do
not just assume that there is something
there. Find out the differential and
deduct the expenses because as you
reach thousands of stems naturally the
money must be a little more but do not
make us cut off the neck of the goose
that lays the eggs. The Banana Associ-
ation is a Statutory Body for the people
throughout this island, voted by them,
would it not be better courtesy if Gov-
ernment go to that body and get the
people themselves to vote before bring-
ing it to this House. Because it reach
38,000 stems, because fertilizer will get
a commission, then a lot of Shylocks
want the commission. Mr. President I
am saying this, examine it carefully,
otherwise the whole of St. Vincent would
be on your necks.
HON. C. L. TANNIS: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, as I listened to
the presentation of this motion before
this House, I wondered whether the
amendment to the resolve could have
been given to this House so that they
could have had time to study it. It
seems that something is definitely wrong
and they are eager to investigate it. I
do not see so much urgency, and in lis-
tening to the Minister for. Trade and
Production he was very feeble, he has
not told us one thing about the motion
he has presented here. I thought that
I was going to get something on which
to rebut, but I know the Mover in his
usual form. Is he out of form this morn-
ing? Is he not able to present the
motion which he has put here? I am
going to ask the Crown Attorney to en-
lighten me on a point. I would like to
know the legal position about Govern-
ment's interference without due consul-
tation with the Association.
dent, Honourable Members, the position
is that Government is wholly entitled

to institute an enquiry into the working
of the Statutory Body. -
HON. C. L. TANNIS: Did the Minister
consult the Governing Body of the Asso-
ciation about this proposed amendment?

Mr. PRESIDENT: YOU cannot conduct
the debate by question and answer. If
a question is raised I have no doubt that
the Minister would deal with it in his
reply to the debate,
HON. E. A. C. HUGHES: Mr. President,
a point of order. May I suggest that
the Honourable Member is not entitled
to resume his feet having once taken
his seat.
Mr. PRESIDENT: I think he could.
HON. E. A. C. HUGHES: He spoke once
on the motion.
Mr. PRESIDENT: He was continuing
after giving way to interruptions from
the Honourable Member on my left.
HON. C. L. TANNIS: My Honourable
friend seems to be forgetting the Con-
stitution. Of course that is exactly the
position Mr. President, when suddenly
amendments and resolves are being
thrown to the House here on short notice
to debate an important issue which the
Government said is a matter of urgency.
I am not -too versed in the business, of
this Banana Association, but I would
like to say this, from hearing the leading
debate of the Mover, that he himself is
at a loss. He does not know what he is
debating. He has not thrown any facts
before this House to justify the moving
of this motion. He told us in his debate
that he has seen large quantities of
banana plants being exported. These
banana plants. are being exported by
citizens of this country and they are
entitled to do business and earn a liveli-
hood in this colony if there is no sale in
the island for those banana plants.
They are not only developing St. Vincent,
but here we are going to enter Federa-
tion. Are we not to develop the West
Indies as a whole? What is so wrong
about plants going to Trinidad? We

cannot be insular on one hand and
pledge for Federation on the other. If
bananas were to be developed in Grena-
da we should be proud and if one of our
local persons have the right and benefit
from the exportation from banana
plants being shipped out of the island
without all these restrictions. There
are enough banana plants on the island
tU meet the needs of the people of this
island. There have been no complaints.
The motion was clear and plain this
morning regarding the exportation of
bananas. 'The Ministry would have no
meaning as far as the affairs of bananas
are concerned.' I am only debating
what was put forward here this morning.
The Ministry has all right to have some
say in the industries of the island, and
what would prevent the Minister from
making these investigations or to discuss
this important problem with the govern-
ing body if he means well in the interests
of this community. It appears to me
that the facts outlined by the Minister
for Trade and Production is just to out-
face something that is behind this mo-
tion. What is presented here on paper
is not the real purpose of this motion.
There are other thing behind this mo-
tion I feel.
If we read correctly, there are certain
comments in the local press, certain
questions asking Government to make
investigations. I believe he is a grower
of bananas and 'he could have gone
to the Banana Association and discuss
the matter with the governing body. I
feel that matters of this kind would
have to be handled very carefully by this
Government and Government cannot
jump to hasty conclusions by any care-
less rulings or hap-hazard approach.
._Whcn the Government, if it is a good
government, come here to this House to
ask us to agree to a motion of this sort
they must be able to outline some points
and give reasons for their actions. Not
just to bring a motion here for passing
and to have an enquiry for enquiry sake
and, then you waste either tax payers'
funds to have that enquiry or the
funds .from the banana industry to
rio avail. If the Mover in his sum-
ming up of this motion could enlighten'

me as to why this motion has been
brought, I am prepared to give it my
support; but if the Mover is going to end
this motion by the flimsy remarks made
here in his opening address, I fail to see
how I can support it. 1 am sorry that
my motion this morning to defer this
matter until we have had time to con-
sider the resolve that was pushed on us
here; but I still think that with a ques-
tion of this sort all members of this
House should have reasonable time in
which to consider such an important

HON. E. A. C. HUGHES Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I wonder some-
times whether we read the motions
which we are debating and whether we
attempt to apply to those an intelligent
understanding. The motion which we
are debating today falls into two parts,
The first part which has been on the
Order Paper ever since the last meeting
and the second part which proposes cer-
tain amendments to the Banana Grow-
ers Association Ordinance. Now there
can be no doubt whatsoever that in
bringing the second part of this motion
before the Council today, the Govern-
ment has gone a great deal further than
any former Government of St. Vincent,
because normally the first time any
member of this House in the Opposition,
would see proposed amendments to an
Ordinance is when the bill containing
the amendments has been approved and
agreed in Executive Council and printed
in the Government Gazette. So what
is all this talk about notice? This is a
proposal to amend the Ordinance. It
will be duly circulated in bill form and
it will be duly presented to this House
for the first reading, for the second
reading and for the third reading; and
on those occasions it will be debated I
presume ad nauseam. So why are we
now complaining because in fact we have
been given a facility that was never
before given to Opposition Members of
this Honourable House. That is, a right
to debate in advance of publication, pro-
posed amendments to the law by the
Government. Let us try and remember
what we are debating.

low what is the first part that has
been before this House: "Be it resolved
that Government examine carefully the
finances, constitution and administra-
tion of the St. Vincent Banana Associa-
tion to ensure that these are adequate
to the needs of this growing industry."
If I had been asked to summarise that
resolution I would have put it this way:
"Be it resolved that the Government do
its duty;" because the proposal before
us here is that the Government of St.
Vincent do its plain duty in regard to an
Organisation which is set up by a law,
passed by this same Government, to
examine the finances and the adminis-
tration and the constitution from time
to time to see whether corrections are
Now I sometimes wonder how many
directions we can face at the same time.
We are told here this morning and I
must say I Was extremely shocked to
hear this from both the Opposition
speakers, that this should not come be-
fore this House at all and debated on a
motion. That it should be in a back
room with the boys who control the
Banana Association. Discuss it with the
Board of Directors; but yet it is the con-
stant cry from time to time that the
Legislative Council is there as a dummy
it is never told anything that is going on,
the Executive Council sits behind closed
doors and runs everything, this Opposi-
tion just sits down here like a crew of
dummies and does nothing; but now
when something is brought to them and
they are asked please to debate it, do you
agree with it or not, we hear 'oh no, no,
why bring this to us, go and talk to the
Directors of the Banana Association.
We do not want to hear anything about
that.' They turn and face north, south
east and west all at the same time.
I heard certain Honourable Members
stating 'do not tear down the banana
industry.' Who is going to tear down
the banana industry? Do Honourable
Members remember the history of the
Arrowroot Association as started in 1931?
Let them refer to the statute books and
see from year to year with growing ex-
perience, amendments were made to the

constitution. The Honourable Member
for South Leeward would probably re-
member that a commission of enquiry
was held here in public about five or
six years ago, into the affairs of that
same Arrowroot Association. It was as
a result of that commission that small
growers were given representation on
the Arrowroot Board. It was as a result
of that commission that the Honouable
Member himself became a member of the
Board of the St. Vincent Cooperative
Arrowroot Association. Nobody was
seeking then to tear down the Associa-
tion; but it is only right and proper that
Government should from time to time
investigate and see that the Ordinance
which, was enacted for such a body was
sufficient to keep place with and to meet
the needs of a growing Industry.
NoW the Honourable Members who
have spoken both claimed or at least the
first speaker claimed not to be opposing
the motion but in a very boisterous man-
ner made it appear to every one that he
was ...
HON. H. F. YOUNG: Mr. President, a
point of order. I do not like that word
Mr. PRESIDENT: That is not a point of
order, it is a point of explanation.
HON. H. F. YOUNG: It is just my way
of expressing myself.
HON. E. A. C. IHuoGIs: He may be
quite correct sir, but the word 'boisterous'
has no rude, impertinent or insulting
meaning. It merely means noisy, and
if the Honourable Member carefully ex-
amines his manner of speaking, I think
he will be the first to agree that he is
a noisy speaker.
HoN. H. F. YOUNG: Mr. President, On
a point of Order. I was put here by the
people and how I want to express myself,
Is no business of the Nominated element.

Mr. PRESIDENT: The Honourable Mem-
ber' must sit down. That is an impro-
per statement. How a Member behaves
himself -in this House is the business of
every member of this House..

HON. E. A. C. HUGHES: We have had
another example, Mr. President, within
the last 10 seconds, of the Honourable
Member's boisterous tendencies. We will
now continue. The Honourable Mem-
bers on the Opposite side are politicians,
they are in the grass roots of politics.
They are presumably in touch with the
people. But of course I am not in touch
with the people being a Nominated Mexu-
ber from the Olympian heights. I do
not \know them at all, I do not meet
them. But can they, in touch with the
grass roots and in touch with the people
in St. Vincent say that the growers of
bananas are satisfied with the operation
of the Banana Industry? Can they hon-
estly say that quite apart from what is
read in the Press and what is heard out-
side, can they say in talking to people
day after day that everybody is happy
with the state of affairs in the Banana
Industry. The Honourable Member who
spoke himself made a few reservations
and said 'yes, when it comes to this
fertilizer and taking my money out, I
agree you should enquire;' but it is those
very dissatisfactions that Government
wishes to get at the root of. Are people
satisfied that the money that is being
deducted is being properly spent? Are
people satisfied with the wa.y fertilizer
is being allocated? Are people satisfied
with the way banana plants are being
Now the Honourable Member for the
Grenadines took one particular point to
challenge, and that was the point as to
the control of the exportation of the
plants by the Banana Association, and
he made this somewhat comical point:
What is wrong with exporting plants to
Trinidad. We should be proud. I should
say Mr. President we are most de-
lighted The whole point is that the
question as to the export should not
be stopped but that the control of
the exportation of plants should be exer-
cised by the Banana Association who
control the banana industry. It is
somewhat ludicrous because the Honour-
able Member himself was one of those
who said that we should speak to the
Board of Directors and not come to de-

bate this nonsense in this Legislative
Council. Now that, the one point that
was carefully explained by the Minister
for Trade and Production, was brought
here at the request of the Directors of
- the Banana Association. They have re-
quested the Government to enact this
Legislation to give them control over
plants, so that was already discussed
with the boys in the back room; but it is
the one point which the Member for the
Grenadines says 'Oh that's all nonsense,
we don't want that at all.' Gentlemen
we cannot face all four points of the
compass at the same time. Let us try
and keep our faces steadfastly ahead.
Let us realize that it is the duty of this
Government, the former Government
and any succeeding Government to con-
trol and to supervise and to investigate
from time to time and to take a parental
interest in any concern such as the St.
Vincent Banana Growers Association
which means so much to so many peo-
ple. And let me assure you that-I am
a Member of this Government and I
think I can speak for all the others-
nobody is willing, anxious, able or ready
to tear down anything. Our purpose is
to build up. You may not think us
capable of doing it, we think ourselves
capable and we propose to try within
our own limited compass to build up the
St. Vincent Banana Industry -o its
highest point for the benefit of the
people of St. Vincent anI the colony of
St. Vincent.
HoN. S. E. SLATER: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, it is one thing I
believe I am very surprised this morning.
I really thought this motion would have
had a lot more sting in it. It would
appear to me that some of the Members
are holding back their horses. As far as
I am concerned I see no reason why the
Minister for Trade and Production can-
not- be a Member of the Board of the
Banana Association. I believe that will
give the people who are his people a lot
more satisfaction to know that he is
seeing behind the closed door what is
going on inside. Again it is a matter of
business and since it is customary that

Government have a certain amount of
control over any organisation, to investi-
gate what is going on or how the busi-
ness is being run, I see nothing wrong
with it at all. As a matter of fact, the
Minister for Trade and Production was
very pathetic this morning towards the
Banana Association. I do not see any
hardship created by his talk here this
morning and as far as I am concerned
that the motion as moved nere can
create no hardship or cause the Banana
Association to be torn down. I believe
it is a good thing for Government to
know what is going on.
HON. L. C. LATHAM: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, most of the time
when Members get the Order Paper for
tie Legislative Council Meeting I know
that they just put it on one side and
they do not give it a thought until they
come to this House. That is the whole
thing about it. If when these papers
are circulated to Members they would
study them and give some thought to
them, they will behave themselves much
better when they come here. I see no-
thing wrong with the resolution.
"Be it resolved that Government
examine carefully the finances, consti-
tution, and administration of the St.
Vincent Banana Growers Association."
Now from the speech by the first
speaker of the Opposition, it is clear that
he is not satisfied with the running of
the Banana Association. I have heard
him speak dozens of times and he should
be very glad to know that this motion
is brought to this house so that he could
have a say in it before it comes into law.'
Nothing can stop this Government from
having an enquiry into any statutory
body in this island, if this Government
deems it necessary.
HON. H. F. YOUNG: Mr. President, On
a point of explanation, if the Minister
without Portfolio could remember, I
said go ahead and do it but for God sake
be careful. That's all. I did not oppose
it, I just gave some facts.
HON. L. C. LATHAM: Mr. President, we
are concerned solely with the examina-

tion of the finances, constitution of the
Association. We are not trying to tear
down the Banana Association as put out
by a Member of the Opposition. Gov-
ornment is here to build up the economy.
of the island, not to tear it down and
the Honourable Member for South Lee-
ward has been getting complaints all the
time about the Banana Association.
Hundreds of people flock the Ministry
daily. They have their receipts to show
that they paid too much to the Associa-
tion. They come into the Ministry daily
running themselves into unnecessary
expenses going to the Association. The
people are not satisfied with the running
of the financial part of the Association.
It has reached to a stage now ttha the
Banana Association needs a little shuffl-
ing. The issue has become bigger than
the man, because we have there an
accounting system that dates as far back
as 1901. What the Government is trying
to do now is to bring up the accounting
system into line with modern systenis.
We are trying to help people so that we
can build a better St. Vincent.
Now you will note that in delivering of
manure in the Banana Association-
when manure comes some people get,
some do not get, some have paid in
advance and did not get, looking into
the books you cannot find a person's
name and so on. We are not trying to
stain any one; but all is not well in the
Banana Association. Recently about
midday time we heard an alarm in the
Association that someone stole $17,000
from the office. Everything is not well
and so Government intends to have an
enquiry into the finances, constitution
and administration of the Association.
The Banana Industry is growing and will
keep on growing and it is through com-
;ion courtesy that the Minister for
Trade and Production brought this mo-
tion here to ask you to amend the
Ordinance. He could have brought a
bill and ask you to read it and pass
it. The Minister for Trade and Produc-
tion was quite courteous; so Mr. Presi-
dent Honourable Members, I would like
to state to the Opposition that this Gov-
ernment is a Government to build, not

a Government to break and if you will
sit quietly when you come into this
House, you will learn something.
HON. A. C. CYRUS: Mr. President Hon-
ourable Members, I must agree with the
Member for the Grenadines when he
said that the Honourable Mover of this
motion was really out of debating form.
I said so myself because I thought that
this motion was going to be debated here
by the Honourable Mover with utmost
vigour and energy; but instead of that
he gave me the impression of a rider
who is whipping his horse and reining
it at the same time. He gave the im-
pression that he is suppressing some-
thing he does not want to come out
in the open. Because he said it, and it
is a fact, that all is not well and the
people are not satisfied with the running
of the Association. He went on and said
that it has become a structure that will
topple over because the foundation'is too
small. Everybody knows that and the
people are complaining. Some people
will tell you that the fertilizer is doled
out by favouritism, other people are dis-
gruntled over the amount that they pay
for fertilizer and all those different
things. Well, then it is easy to see that
the matter needs going into. An enquiry
does not necessarily mean putting some-
body into jail or putting somebody out
of work. An enquiry means probing into
the working of a department and mak-
ing recommendations for rectification of
anything that needs putting to right. An
enquiry into this matter might reveal
that they are working with inadequate
staff, that the 1901 accounting system is
out moded and many other irregularities
might be shown up by board of enquiry.
Therefore I think that it is time that an
enquiry be instituted so that some sort
of useful recommendations may be made
from which the entire populace will
derive some benefit.
Those of us who read the Trinidad
paper will see that they have had a
Government enquiry down there. Look
at the large inquiry they have had-the
one with regard to the Hospital. That
has been a revelation. I do not know

what would have happened if they did
nut have that Board of enquiry into that
hospital in Trinidad. Something chaotic
was bound to happen, and so we see
from the recommendations that they
have made that the health of the people
of Trinidad would be far better taken
care of than what it was a few years ago.
It seems that in the department is in-
capable of coping with its rapid expan-
sion. It seems to me also that every
now and again some sort of body will
have to review its functions in order to
make recommendations by which the
Governing body can improve on the staff
or the efficiency of the staff or any thing
of the sort. And I think in the name of
the people of St. Vincent I heartily com-
mend the Mover for moving this motion.
I am prepared to vote for it knowing
that if I vote for it, I would be doing
something that would be popular with
the entire populace.
HoN. H. A. HAYNES: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, with regard to the
Second Nominated Member saying that
the Mover of this motion did not put
t'ie necessary force into it, I would just
like to say that it is not necessary now
that he let go his reins because he has
behind him capable jockeys not only to
help him with his reins but also to help
him with the whip when necessary.
Now as far as this motion is concerned,
I would like to say that as a one time
small grower, and if I should venture to
term myself now a middling grower, and
as an Executive Officer of the buying
station of Dauphine, I know that there
are several complaints and that more
than 75% of the growers of bananas in
St. Vincent would welcome that Govern-
ment take the step we are now proposing
to take. I speak on behalf of not only
the growers but also the employees of
the Banana Association. I now say that
I support this motion 100% and that this
Government will handle it with kid
gloves as suggested by the Honourable
HON. A. B. DOSSANTOS: Honourable
President, Honourable Members, I am in
full agreement with this resolution,

realizing that this industry has out-
grown its administration. That admin-
istration today has become shabby and
I feel that such an examination is war-
ranted. About the defects in the ship-
ment of bananas, I think we hold our-
selves too much responsible for that.
The bananas are delivered to buying
stations where they are graded. They
are then transported to Kingstown and
even there they are regraded. The fault
I feel, is due definitely to the shipping
and not to the growers. We are enter-
taining too much thought that the grow-
ers are guilty. I think the handling from
the wharf to the lighters is the cause of
the bananas going to England in that
condition. I agree that the Minister for
Trade and Production should be there to
know what is happening at the meetings
and to keep the Government in touch.
When I say that the administration is
very shabby, I do not mean its finance
but its operation. I myself wrote an
order for a bearer to get me some
tapings., The bearer came back and said
that he could not get the tapings be-
cause a certain gentleman was not there
and he attended to that. I went myself,
I met one of the officers there and I told
him that I would like 'to get some
tapings for my bananas and that they
were required for the following day's
shipment. He said "Well you know sir,
Mr. Jack is out and that is not my work."
I was at a loss to know what to do. The
Chairman was just a few yards away
and I went to him and told him what
was the trouble. He called the officer
and said: "What is this all about?"
He replied: "Well sir, this is not my
work. I cannot give an order to Mr.
dosSantos to get the tapings because it
is Mr. Jack's work." He asked: "Where
is Mr. Jack?" He replied: "I do not
know." The Chairman then turned to
him and asked: "Would you write an
order for Mr. dosSantos to get these
tappings?" He said "If I am so in-
That is the kind of administration that
growers have to put up with, and I have
to put up with, so you can imagine how
many growers have had to put up with

worse. I am supporting this motion
Mr. PRESIDENT: If no other Honour-
able Member wishes to speak on the
motion, I would ask the Honourable
Minister if he would avail himself of his
right to reply.
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I am thoroughly
surprised to hear Members of the Oppo-
sition, the Member for the Grenadines
and the Member for South Leeward call-
ing the debate feeble. That motion
needed no debate. It is set out in
stereotyped English what the motion
seeks to perfect and further than that,
you are citizens here, Councillors repre-
senting people and you know that, as
the Member for South Windward and
Minister without portfolio made it quite
clear, that a caravan of people, a funeral
march of people, pass daily through the
Ministry making complaints. Well, if
you live your life as strangers represent-
ing people in this community at all or
if you are isolated and concerned merely
with the Grenadines it can only be Mr.
Grenadines Member that you have
shown no interest about bananas on the
mainland ......
Mr. PRESIDENT: I must ask the Hon-
curable Member to address the Chair.
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: The question
arises Mr. President, Honourable Mem-
bers that I was thoroughly surprised to
know what more useful debate could
have been added to a motion that only
needed perhaps superficial explanation.
After these members have seen as they
themselves quoted in the debate, that
they have read articles, I referred to
those articles. Those articles should be
enough to allow these Members to hold
a sensible opposition in this House than
they have held, criticising a debate and
calling it feeble. What is feeble about
the debate. The motion specifically
stated: "Whereas the Banana Industry
is of the greatest importance to the
economy of the country."
Be it resolved that the Government
examine .......

The examination is not synonymous
with restriction-"examine carefully the
finances, constitution and administra-
tion of the St. Vincent Banana Associa-
tion to ensure that these are adequate.."
'Inadequacy' means not suitable, not fit,
not enough to carry the machinery to
give satisfaction to all. That is not the
structure Mr. Grenadines Member, Mr.
Speaker, 'Administration' means the
way, that the Third Nominated Member
being the large grower, of bananas he
should like, I heard him in the debate
and of course, no planters of bananas at
all could oppose such a motion because
the larger you are the more you should
be interested in bananas and even the
small grower, because his small resources
are all he has, would be also interested.
We would not expect the Third Nomi-
nated Member to come to the Ministry
with certain complaints but you would
expect small growers with 10, 20, 40 or
even 50 bunches would come when some-
thing goes wrong, because he expects
that he may get some advice from the
person who represents him. As the
Member for his constituency he may get
some advice and again as a Minister of
Trade and Production he feels he may
get some advice-that there is coordi-
nation to a high degree and so the road
to all banana guidance lies in the
I was surprised to hear the remarks.
The reason, Mr. President, why Honour-
able Members thought that the debate
was feeble and that no sting was put into
the debate in the accustomed manner,
is a two-fold one. (1) When the leader
of the Government was on the Opposi-
tion side, he had to strain every nerve,
crack every sinew, make every point
clear and plain, make no doubt or mis-
take about it so that the facts could be
seen clear as an open book to all. But
now you would have expected that when
you are going up a hill Mr. President,
you will have more work to do than
when you are coming down a hill. Here
you have to satisfy an Opposition. I
commend the FirSt Nominated Member
for taking half the burden to reply to
this debate, when he made such a clear
succinct address to this House-as clear

as the unfair attacks referred at this
motion, and that made only convince
this House and not so many of us are
convinced by this Opposition, perhaps to
make the listeners in this House believe
that this Government seeks to bring a
motion here to do harm to the Banana
Industry, and those things are just to
convince people that harm was done
when there was no intention to do harm
at all, but to protect.
Mr. President, the Member for South
Leeward has a tendency to blow hot and
cold at the same time. Up to the last
meeting, on the adjournment, we have
heard this Member for South Leeward
come to this House and nma.e certain
remarks about Government Officers un-
duly concerned with bLananas instead
of their jobs. The Government as such
in the Ministries cannot interfere until
investigation into the departments are
made to knowwhat the men are doing
and a reply given. And more than that
those instances of irregularities com-
plained of by the Opposition need to be
overhauled by some enquiry. You must
enquire. Enquiry does not mean that
some may be quaking in their shoes.
Enquiry does not mean that we just
enquire into how much money may be
gone and how much may be there and
somebody may be at fault. No! That is
only an infinitely small part because the
money is there. Trusted servants have
that money and they faithful servants
to the Association. We, Mr. President,
are out as the motion purports to do all
which lies in our power to see that the
industry which has reached extremely
normal proportions is run to the satis-
faction of all the growers whether he is
a small or large grower, run to the satis-
faction of all this community, run to the
advancement of Trade and industry, run
so that our product may reach abroad
with the least complaint. I am inclined
to agree in one way with the Third Nom-
inated Member, Mr. President, when he
said that the banana might be damaged
from the ship, but we are to take care
because we have eyes to see, and when
we certain things going along the road
loaded and callous in different way in
which it is dealt with, we have to give

the shadow of doubt to...., so that we
would have done our part and then be
able to tell whether it is the fault of
those who complain.
Mr. President I need not go through
all the points raised by the two Opposi-
tion speakers because it is unnecessary.
The Second Nominated Member thought
the debate was feeble. Why should the
Members think so? When I was in the
Opposition I had to strain every nerve
to convince even you Mr. Second Nomi-
nated Member. I had to plan that dis-
cussion all night and then come in here
to try and convinced you. I would not
go any further Mr. President.
The motion as amended was carried
without opposition.

The following bills were introduced
and read a first time:
The Supplementary Appropriation
(1956) Bill
The Deportation (British Subjects)
(Amendment) Bill
The Immigr action (Restriction)
(Amendment No. 2) Bill.

HON. E. T. JOSHUA: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I have the honour
to move the second reading of a bill for
an Ordinance further to amend the
Rent Restriction Ordinance, 1945.
HON. CROWN ATTORNEY: I beg to sec-
ond the motion.
Question put and agreed.
Bill read a second time.
Council moved into Committee.
In committee the Bill was referred to
a Select Committee comprising:
Hon. Crown Attorney Chairman
Hon. Minister for Trade and Produc-
Hon. Minister for Communications
and Works

Hon. Third Nominated Member
Hon. Member for South Leeward.
HON. E. S. CAMPBELL: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I have the hon-
our to move the second reading of a bill
for an Ordinance further to amend the
Slum Clearance and Housing Ordinance,
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: I beg to second
the Motion.
Question put and agreed.
Bill read a second time.
Council moved into committee.
Council resumed.
Bill reported with one amendment
report adopted,
Bill read a third time by title and
dent Honourable Members, I have- the
honour to move the second reading of a
bill for an Ordinance further to amend
the Bicycles Ordinance, Cap. 168.
second the Motion.
HON. H. F. YOUNGS Mr. President,
Honourable Members I would just like
to find out if you intend to raise the
actual amount that is being paid now.
What I mean is, what would the plates
cost as against your bad collection. In
other words, I believe that a man should
pay his bicycle licence, by all means see
that he does and with proper police
supervision you have been doing that.
By all means your plates could be print-
ed; but would it be worth while? We
should be careful that they are not pay-
ing out more for the plates than we
would collect for licences, and that in
order to collect 1/- we do not loose more
by using these plates.
dent, Honourable Members, they cost a
very, very negligible fraction of the
licence. I doubt if it comes to one per
cent of the bicycle licence fee.
HON. H. F. YOUNG: You can see my

good point. The plates are very cheap
but there is an additional point. You
would detect the non-payer more easily
and of course you would get more money
that way and also save the bicycle owner
who has paid his licence from being
stopped by the Police. A further advan-
tage would be that the licence disc would
be in itself a receipt and time would be
saved by not having to write out receipts.
HON. C. L. TANNIS: Mr. President, is
it so necessary at this stage to introduce
this legislation? Judging from the bi-
cycle population of this community
under the present system.
Mr. PRESIDrENT: This is a debate and
Honourable Members can make speeches.
Questions and answers will be dealt with
in the committee stage.
Question put and agreed.
Bill read a second time.
Council moved into Committee.
Council resumed.
Bill reported without amendment
and report adopted..
Bill read a third time by title and

HON. C. L. TANNIS: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I am rather sur-
prised at times when matters concern-
ing the people of thiscountry are twist-
ed around by officers employed by the
Government or not fully gone into by
ministers to give due satisfaction to the
people concerned. In Union Island,
classes of 4, 5 and 6 have been removed
and sent to another school. That said
school which is the Clifton School have
had children up to last year passing
their School Leaving Certificate Exami-
nation; -yet in reply the Minister- is tell-
ing- me that the school cannot get proper
teaching. Of course it is known that if
the Captain is no good the whole ship
goes to pieces; but I would like to state
that, if .the Department of Education
want to remove any particular teacher,

they should not do it by causing incon-
venience to our children. If the teacher is
no good, then remove him. If you made
a mistake by putting the wrong teacher
in the school you are not going to cure
that ill by taking the children out of the
school and sending them to another
school and in the light of that come to
tell me here that difficulties of staffing is
the cause of that. The only difficulties
of staffing lies in the headteachership.
That is an internal matter which the
Education Department should settle with
the headteacher himself, but do not
come to tell me that because of staffing
difficulties you should- not have two
schools in one area. The school has
been operating successfully. They have
had results from the school; but becanlsn
under the new report-the Petter report
-this particular teacher should not have
been incharge of the school you are try-
ing to jib the issue and jeopardising the
progress and advancement of our chill-
ren. I am asking the Minister to mnke
a personal investigation into this matter
because I am not satisfied with the
answer that has been given here. They
have been jibbing the issue for the last
month. The matter has been reported
to the Education Department, they took
no action. The District Officer raised
this question, they gave him no explana-
tion, and here you are giving me a
stereotyped answer telling me that you
should not have two senior schools in
the area. You should have known that
before. If a man is not qualified to be
the headmaster of a school remove him,
put him somewhere else, but do not
remove the classes because you want to
get rid of a head teacher. That is not
the way to deal with the matter and I
am asking the Minister concerned to in-
vestigate the matter and let it be reason-
ably settled.
I noticed that the Financial Secretary
has attempted to answer my question
here. I am satisfied up to a point but
this matter is long overdue and if there
is no Hurricane Committee then some
action must be taken by the Govern-
ment to have the matter finalized, It 1s
no point telling me that there is.$30,000

for loans and'no loans have been issued.
We are not to wait on a Fisheries Com--
mittee to decide the matter which is so
long over due. Those men and their
families could have gone to pieces wait-
ing for a loan to assist them to rebuild
What they lost during the hurricane
Janet. This is no time to tell me that
the matter would be considered by the
Fisheries Advisory Committee. Govern-
ment should make .a decision on the
matter now and I want them to make it
at the earliest possible date. Since the
Secretary of State has agreed, the com-
mittee should be called and the loans
issued. This Government must take
some action.
I noticed in the reply to my question
about the Team of Experts that we are
hoping that money would be made avail-
able between 1960 and 1965 to implement
the recommendations made by the Team
of Experts; yet we had to rush this team
of experts in and out of St. Vincent, not
being able to visit the whole island and
to report fully when we have here that
we are hoping that in 1960-1935 to get
funds to implement what this Team has
put down on paper.
Why then could rot the Team of Ex-
perts come and take enough time to go
into the economy of this country more
fully. That is why my Honourable
Friends on the Government block
thought it was unnecessary for me to
bring a question to this House. "We
hope in 1960 to 1965." There is a dream,
a hope, that funds would be available,
yet you had to rush the whole thing, no
time for the Grenadines because they do
not form part of this colony, and you
rush off a report which if funds could
be made available, would mean so much
to the development of this Colony. That
does not show a healthy sign on the
behalf of this Government and the first
decision they have made after taking
over the Government to rush a most im-
portant :matter like this that could have
no bearing on the economy of. this
Colony before 1960 and leave the Grena-
dines out of the scheme of things. Are
you telling the Grenadines that we are a
burden and a drag-on-the Government

and you are fed up with having us tack-
ed on to you. Do. not jib around, throw
us off.
I heard the Honourable Minister .this
morning in reply to No. 8 question, ask-
ing for funds, the Minister for Commu-
nigations and Works telling us that our
economic potentialities considered does
nr't seem to justify. Every square inch
of land available on the mainland of
Bequia is under fairly good cultivation,
We might not produce the major eco-
nomical crops from which you- can get
exports, but we produce quite a lot of
crops which keep the people alive and
help the people to import less and ex-
port more. If we are taking that view
why should we not be given considera-
tion. We are trying to produce bananas.
V e have. produced some of the best
stems of bananas that was ever shipped
from this island, yet the Agricultural
Department said that we could not pro-
duce bananas, and we are producing
more; and- here you are telling us that
we are not justified in having roads.
Net because you can drive your car from
here to Georgetown, Mesopotamia and
the Leeward side in comfort, we too are
people and want to enjoy some of those
comforts and to be able to bring our
produce from our lands by truck instead
of toting it on our heads. You are tell-
ing me that the days for those things
are gonie and yet you want to encourage
those things back.
Here the future of tourism depends on
those islands and you know it but you
are hiding the facts and what can pay
you -more to develop a country faster
than fostering tourism. Why are you
talking of tourism so much? Yet you
are telling me that we have no need for
roads. Yes I know. The Secretary of
State made available a certain amount
of funds for.roads in..the .Grenadines
according to the mileage of roads and
we have not got it yet and when you sit
here and tell me........
Mr. PRESIDENT: The Honourable Mem-
ber must address the Chair.
HON. C. L. TANNIS: I .am sorry.
When I -am told in this :House .byr..he

Minister that we shall have our just
share, if it warrants the expenditure, he
has not taken the time to send a dele-
gate from his department to see the con-
dition of the roads and to hear what we
are asking for although we are entitled
to have it. We are not asking for any-
thing new, it was approved by the Secre-
tary of State and we should have it. If
you do not know, you should ask the
Financial Secretary to enlighten you and
the President himself knows it. I went
to London and after a hard bargain to
get funds you are going to tell me that
we are not included. This is most dis-
tressing. Our roads have gone to pieces
waiting on funds. The Government has
not even the courtesy to tell the District
Council that they are not going to get
those funds. We saw in the papers 800
people would be employed over in the
mainland. That does not include the
Grenadines at all. If this District Coun-
cil cannot get funds with which to main-
tain the roads, well have no district
council. You may as well take it back
under your Government or the Public
Works. If this is the type of treatment
that we are meted out. I hope this Gov-
ernment make the necessary arrange-
ments in the Draft Estimates for 1958
or let me inform you that you will have
to run it. As a grant-aided territory
we have gone to the British Government
and they by arguments put forward,
have seen the necessity of giving more
funds to this colony. Why then should
you not treat the small islands in like
manner. You said you spend money on
fishing. Very little. You hope to sped
some there. There is no Fisheries Offi-
cer, there is nothing. It is just a belief
that the Member for the Grenadines
when he was Minister has taken all the
money. Take a trip to the Grenadines
and have a look and then tell me if we
are advancing, aid why we should not
have a reasonable amount of money for
the Grenadines.
We are not boasting that we can pro-
duce more bananas and arrowroot or
cotton. We are subject to dry seasons.
As the Minister and Leader of the Gov-
ernment said: "You can come and

shout as much as you like in this House,
those parts of the country that have not
been served would be served first. I did
not tell you not to serve the different
parts of this country Mr. Leader, I want
us to move along. This is the Opposi-
tion and it must keep the Government
alive. I had intentions to ask five more
questions this morning, but the Christ-
mas season is on and I only asked one.
I intend to keep the Government on its
The next point is the 20% increase to
daily paid workers. "The Secretary of
State does not agree that this should
be paid because the 1952, 1956 increases
awarded to these workers was signifi-
cantly higher than the increases award-
ed to the Civil Servants." Those in-
creases were just to bring them in line
with the increases that were paid to Civil
Servants in 1950 or 1951 just when we
took over the Government. That was
no basis on which the Secretary of State
or the Government should reason. Is
there a need for an increase of 20%?
Cost of living has gone up and will go up.
Are you going to tell me that because
the Civil Servants did not have another
raise in wages it proves then that the
daily workers should not have another
rise. This Government, it is alleged, and
I am looking forward to see the Esti-
mates, have accepted the 20% to be paid
to Ministers and Members of the Gov-
ernment. Where are they going to find
the money. If that could be found, this
money could be found also to pay the
workers. I feel that as the Civil Ser-
vants got their increases and the Minis-
ters and the Members of Government
are hoping to have their increases also,
I feel similarly the daily paid workers
should have their increase.
I have placed a question before this
house and I hope that the Government
is not going to wait until next year to
tell me that they could not find the
funds to do relief work in the Grena-
dines. I have placed that question that
the Government take some action im-
mediately because conditions are not so
happy in the Grenadines. They have

been hit by a very severe drought, the
people have got very little crops. Lots
of the people have not yet recovered
from the effects of Hurricane Janet.
They are trying to rebuild and have now
been hit by a very severe drought in the
early and mid months of the year and
if it continues we are going to, suffer
badly. I am asking this Government to
take note of this question which I placed
here this morning.
I must wish you gentlemen here
gathered a very Happy Christmas and a
most prosperous New Year.
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I rise to speak on
the motion for the adjournment of this
House. It is rather strange, it seems to
be inherent in human nature to be un-
duly unfair as far as the species did not
develop to have a broader and more
civilised way of thinking. I was sur-
prised to hear the Minister just leaving
the portfolio of Communications and
Works, who made up his mind just to
come here for the fun and to harrass
this House and to make out cases quite
unfairly and unduly to the Public. I
could not be a party to sit here and
allow that to happen without also draw-
ing the Public's attention to this unfair
practice of this Honourable Member for
the Grenadines. Just recently the Mem-
ber for the Grenadines know, after leav-
ing this Portfolio, that large sums of
money were spent in the Grenadines.
He knows also that jeeps drive right
down to the Southern Side of the island.
He had the opportunity and he never
raised one question about rcads when
he was having his joy ride, Mr. President,
as Minister for Communications and
Works and Member for the Grenadines.
But because we say Fortuna et falsa et
nequam est, because fortune now seems
to be both false and wicked to him, he
comes here regularly to convince the
public that this Government that has
just started to function has no care to-
wards the Grenadines nor anything ap-
pertaining to it. It is uncharitable. We
expect him to be, it is his nature and
disposition to be, therefore although he
knows that His Honour the Administra-

tor in his trips representing the Govern-
ment, has his custom to pass there, when
he does not see it until election time. It
is His Honour who deputies for him in
his absence, who leaves the Government
of St. Vincent. He knows he is the one
who plans his trips to the Grenadines to
see to matters there, and of course the
ex-Minister also knows that. What was
he doing? He was quiet. Not a word
was mentioned about his Grenadines
during his period in office, that although
when he was in the Government he ex-
pected the Opposition side to squeal like
Nicholas Nickleby of Dickens, only smell-
ing the roast meat, but the boys had the
bones to eat. That is unfair, most un-
charitable, in two fierce and ferocious
attacks at two statutory meetings of this
House, just being the author of invec-
tives, which is unfair, unjust and most
uncharitable. We know that there must
be a certain amount of Opposition shown
in this House. We know that a Member
of Parliament has a right to call Parlia-
ment's attention to unfair dealings in
his Constituency, but I am persuaded
as all those who have been returned in
this Honourable House are persuaded
that the attitude of the ex-Minister for
Communication and Works, now the
Member for the Grenadines is unfair
and unjust and unjustified. The ques-
tion you may ask, Mr. Member and let
me repeat because you refer to the last
meeting. The Government is run on
constitutional lines, the Government is
also run to see fairness done to the
people of St. Vincent, and the Grena-
dines is an integral part of the Colony
of St. Vincent, and as the Minister for
Communications and Works now in office
made it quite clear, in an island that is
Treasury controlled and drawing a sub-
sidy to run our administration could we
in any discriminate fashion just do
things when we ought to economise so
that we can get out of the bondage of
treasury control and be an independent
unit in a West Indian Federation. Are
we just going to sit here and allow our-
selves to be the drudge of a West Indian
Federation when it is essential that we
be independent, when next year the
grant in aid will be doled out from some-

where in Trinidad, not again from West-
minster who are more charitable than
even our own people. We have a sequel
here, we have an example of it that you
would be just coming from the Minis-
terial chair and look your attitude. Well
the public would notice. We are not
going to be uncharitable but the Grena-
dines people must be served Mr. Member
for the Grenadines.
Mr. PRESIDENT: I must ask the Hon-
ourable Minister to address the Chair.
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: The question of a
school I believe, Mr. President, that the
Minister for Social Services would not
mind me saying a few words about that.
I am very mindful of education. I Le-
lieve that we have given honest answers
to the questions, and anything further
would be done and investigation made.
We are trying our best to institute cor-
rect and proper Government and I hope
that the Member would realise that we
are justly disposed to all parts of t;he
community. I believe he has a right to
these questions and we have the right
to show him some consideration.
HON: H. A. HAYNES: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I am glad to let
the Member for the Grenadines kn-iw
that I intend not only making an in-
vestigation not only regarding the Union
Island school but regarding all the
schools in St. Vincent and I do hope
that when the changes are made he
would not come back here and challenge
us for victimisation. We know that
nearly every headmaster in St. Vincent
would like either to be in Kingstown or
in the school where he lives and where
he has his business.
It is going on to lunch time; but I
would like to make a brief report on the
Caribbean Conference which I attended
a few weeks ago. The Conference had
about 100 delegates, advisers and ob-
servers, and although it might seem that
nothing material immediately comes
out of such a conference, nevertheless
I feel that the get-together of leaders
and representatives of various countries,
exchanging their ideas on local con-

editions will eventually pay dividends.
Although I was about 4 days late, I
nevertheless paid particular attention to
what took place during pMy stay there
and tried to accumulate certain docu-
ments about what was passing there.
I would like to mention here that the
Windward Islands only had two dele-
gates while other countries were 6 8
strong. The reason why I mention that
is to record here my deep appreciation
to Mr.-Bowen of Trinidad who more or
less regarded himself as a Member of
the Windward, Islands' Delegation and
gave us his whole-hearted support in
matters like this: When Cooperatives
were discussed that a Caribbean Cooper-
ative Bank be established in or for the
benefit of the islands of the Caribbean
and that a Marketing Board be set up
so that we could through the Caribbean,
and have information as regards what
crops are short in Trinidad and British
Guiana we would know how the market
stand and when to ship sweet potatoes
and when to ship cassava starch and
exchange the position of the local mar-
kets. He was very instrumental in
assisting us to try and have the recom-
mendation put to the vote. I.think that
I can say presently that it is on paper
and I hope that in the near future it
would be a fact.
There was a discussion also about low
cost housingand we were taken and
were shown the present low cost housing
there. There are at present installing
about 1,500 buildings for the middle class
workers of Curacao. They have plans
for 1,500 and are building 500 now. Al-
though those types of houses would not
be applicable in St. Vincent, I think we
had much food for thought.
I intend when I have collected my re-
port and my facts to get the people to-
gether in various groups in St. Vincent
as we have many people here who are
interested in cooperatives and credit
unions-men like Messrs. T. M. Saunders,
Gideon Providence, young DeFreitas and
Stephens-get together with them and
go out through the length and breadth
of St. Vincent and instruct the people
of the island about the benefits that can

be derived from cooperatives and credit
unions. I belie-ve if we can get suhil
organizations going, it would help to im-
prove the present conditions in St.
While we were in Curacao, people of
St. Vincent living in Aruba invited Mr.
Hughes and myself to spend a week-end
with them. Oi course we thoughT it was
just an official visit but when we got
there we found it was an official visit Lo
Aruba. We were taken around to all the
various places, we were asked to deliver
certain addresses and questions were
placed before us. As I am a new mem-
ber to this Government I asked Mr.
Hughes to answer them as he had
several years' experience in this Council.
I would like to say now that tie boys in
Aruba are very concerned about the
present Government of St. Vincent as
they still regard St. Vincent as their
home and their native c-untry. It is
their intention in the ye:.:.; to come to
pool their capital and iorii a Limited
Liability Company in this Island and St.
Vincent would be benefitted. They ask-
ed me t6 keep in touch with them and I
promised them that I would do so
through our Government.
I would like to say a few words about
the transport difficulties I had both in
going to Curacao and returning to St.
Vincent. Was it not for a good friend
of mine I would have been 10 days-late
for the Conference. He gave me nis seat
on the Goose. When I got to Trinidad,
there was no room on any boat going to
Curacao but eventually I got down on
the Pan American Plane. That was not
so ad; but on the returning when I got
to Trinidad, although I got there before
the Honourabie H. A. Blaize, he got back
to his hon-e the very day. I had to go
to Port-of-Spain. an,- pursue every pos-
sible means of returning to St. Vincent
and the only passages I could have got
was on tne Zina which has not yet got
here, or on some ram goat vessel. Lucki-
ly I had a friend in Trinidad who has
visited all the islands and is always
travelling about and keeps in contact
with transportation, he suggested that I
go to Barbados and catch the Carib

Clipper and luckily I did that. I brought
that point here because sometimes we
talk about the difficulties of transporta-
tion; out when one actually faces it he
realises the dire need for expediting our
present air field. I think it is necessary
that we do something about it.
I would like now to express here my
appreciation to the Vincentians of Cura-
cao and Aruba and not only to the Vin-
centians, but also the natives of those
islands for tile wonderful and over-
whelming time they gave us. They in
turn asked me on my return here to say
to their many friends how much they
think of their home. Speaking to them
you can see how much they are thinking
of and yearning for their homes. They
do not think of Curacao and Aruba" as
their home but of St. Vincent. I pro-
mised them that on my return I should
convey to the community as a whole and
to their friends and families their re-
gard. I must say finally, although I had
a very short time at the Conference,
that the Conference could be considered
as a success.
HON. S. E. SLATER: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I arise only to
make mention about dried milk. I be-
lieve that we went through a lot of cor-
respondence with regard to this milk in
orcer to get it here for unfortunate
children; but I have noticed quite a lot
of it still remaining in the Warehouse.
The barrels are bursting, some were
spoiling and lots of children can well
use it. I am asking that some enquiry
from the Government be made to see
how much they can get out before all is
spoilt. When these people make all
tliese packages and barrels and send
them here and you do not even use them,
you leave it there, knocking about, people
are walking on it and what not.
Another thing I would like to mention,
is that I see the press misinterpreting
speeches made here. I am going to say
that if that is the attitude of the Press
it is better they stay out because it is un-
fair to this House when they write
according to their favouritism or accord-
ing to their own idealogy. I take strong

objection to it and I believe that the
Editor should be told that he should
stick to his business and see that he
publish what is said and not what is not
HON. H. F. YOUNG: Mr. President, Hon-
ourable Members, I must say that I
appreciate what the Minister for Social
Services said, He handled his remarks
quite cooly and I am also going to handle
my criticisms cooly. The teachers and
the removing of teachers. It is true that
the removal of teachers here and there
is necessary because of the question of
the schools and the question of a few
teachers placed in Grade I; but in doing
it and interfering with the economy of
some of them, you will be sending them
to other places dissatisfied to the detri-
ment of that particular school. Be
careful how you suffer our children.
This is no criticism, but a warning, be-
cause a dissatisfied man, leaving Meso-
potamia, because he has some lands that
he cultivates in his spare time, would
come into Layou so dissatisfied that the
poor children may be worse off than they
were before. It is not an easy job, but
in the removals-I am hearing it-the
teachers should not be penalised be-
cause sometime ago they fought for their
right as a Union, and advocated to this
Government and got certain privileges.
I do not say that it is not necessary to
remove certain of them, but this Gov-
ernment must be careful how it deals
with the President or the Secretary, or
Mr. X, who because he advocated on be-
half of the Teachers' Union, you penalise
him and put him in some remote areas.
By giving them an increase of pay you
have actually promoted them, and if you
turn around and dissatisfy them by put-
ting them into remote areas-and it is
going on here now and it is so stink,-
and the rumour has reached us that
they are going to be penalised. If that
is so it would only mean a financial gain
to the teacher and detriment to the
children. Do not penalise the man be-
cause he advocated for his right.
The 20% for the Government daily
paid workers is another vital spot. We

sat in this Legislative Council, whether
it was the Opposition or Government,
and passed a motion that they should be
given an increase of 20% on their wages.
That side who were then paid servants
of the crown and who had all the money
in Government Office locked up from the
poor man did not give it to them. Now
I want to see the Government in power,
who preached it against us, give that
20% which we kept from them. I won-
der if I made it quite clear? This Gov-
ernment which yesterday was the Oppo-
sition, not to a point of constructive
criticism, but with slander and ridicule
criticised the former Government.
I was put here since 1951 by the votes
and wills of the people and you can
never stop me sitting here. At the last
meeting the Minister for Cnnmmunica-
tions and Works made an out in saying
that they would try to muzzle me by
some ordinance. I wonder if he knows
what he is saying? Because the moment
Government tries to muzzle the Opposi-
tion, it shows corruption. The House of
Parliament pays the Speaker. It is thd
form of Government and while you were
lashing out and throwing stones at glass
windows we were working, making a lot
of plans and 'all the various schemes
were going ahead. When we the former
Government that were stooges, that were
opposed to the people, were then work-
ing and planning and the Secretary of
State has already approved of the Devel-
opment Programme. The question is
answered now. The Secretary of State
has replied. A delegation went to Eng-
land and got more funds because the
emphasis must be on Feeder Roads. In
the next few months we will be under
Federation and the grant in aid is going
to be calculated in the Federal Parlia-
ment. Now I understand that this pres-
ent Government is going to England
again and I hope they will bring extra
money, -because the former Government
went and they brought extra money for
feeder roads. Is it because the former
Government went that you feel you can
go too, or is it because the other islands
are sending a delegation? If you do not
get that extra money then you will hear

the Opposition again next year; because
you 'ill be throwing away the little we
have to no avail.
We in the Executive Council refused
to increase our salaries by 20%. I do
not know if it is true that the present
Government is going to accept it. If
they are I am not going to stop them
because I think they need to live and it
is a whole time job to be a Minister;.but
I am saying that if they get 20% in-
crease, it must also be found for the
workers. People who live in glass houses
must not throw stones. We want the
20% for the workers. You are making
the Estimates now and now is the time
to see about that and prove to them that
we did not love them. The price of rice
has gone up, the price of flour has gone
up. When the Government was ordering
flour it was cheaper. The price of fish
also right in Kingstown here has gone
up and if you rob the workers from his
20% I will see exactly on which side of
the fence you are standing. I thank
HON. E. S. C'AMPBEI4L: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I am shocked be-
yond all measure by the debate this
morning. As a result of a general elec-
tion held on 12th September, 1957, I was
returned to the Legislative Council.
When I got here I realized that there
were instructions that were sent to this
Government by the Secretary of State.
I want to ask one question. How could
the Secretary of State send such in-
structions if some former Government
did not put up proposals to that gentle-
men? The Right Honourable Secretary
of State must have had some proposals
put up to him, and he must inform the
Government of which the Honourable
Member for South Leeward was a Mem-
ber. Now he comes and accuses this
Government of having taken an increase
which he had refused. Had he refused
it and still put vp proposals to the Secre-
tary of State? I see in the Honourable
Member for South Leeward a most dis-
honest man who should not claim to be
a representative of people in this com-
munity. I did not intend to speak on

this adjournment especially as the Hon-
ourable Minister for Trade and Produc-
tion has already replied to the Honour-
able Member for the Grenadines; but I
had to make that point clear.
Now I would like to draw the attention
of the Honourable Member for the
Grenadines-as a matter of fact I know
that he knows the position and is mak-
ing an attempt to misrepresent it to the
Public. The Bequia District Council has
a vote for maintenance of roads. If that
vote has been expended the Honourable
Member for the Grenadines knows the
procedure by which he can get a supple-
ment to that vote. He has not got to
come to the Legislative Council to ask
for it. He is a Member and he knows
the procedure, and as the Honourable
Member for South Leeward said they
know the tricks of the Trade; but those
tricks cannot be included in this trade
because this is an honest trade......
HON. H. F. YOUNG: On a point of
order sir, the tricks I spoke of related to
the Leader and his talk in the Market.
Mr. PRESIDENT: That is not a point of
HON. E. S. CAMPBELL: I wish to make
it clear that this Government has an
honest policy. It has no tricks in the
trade and if the former Government was
using tricks to carry on their trade we
are carrying on our trade by honest
means and we intend to carry on by
honest means. When the Honourable
Member for the Grenadines spoke of the
conditions of roads I was surprised, be-
cause you have not got to walk two feet
out of Kingstown to see roads that are
worse than the roads in Bequia. You
have only to walk to Kingstown Park.
For years that.road has not been proper-
ly maintained. If you look outside of
Kingstown-the road to Belair and
Dauphne need attention-and I, as Min-
ister for Communications and Works
would not authorise the expenditure of
$600 for a road which only need about
$100 and leave, say, the road to Sandy
Bay, which takes much more than that,
the same thing applies to Bequia. The

roads in the Grenadines take less to
maintain because there is no traffic on
the Grenadines roads. One or two jeeps
cannot damage the roads as much as 50.
trucks travelling from Georgetown to
Kingstown and those are the things that
the Member for the Grenadines must
bear in mind when he submits any appli-
cations for supplementary grants to the
amounts already approved for the
HON. L. C. LATHAM: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, it is past the lunch
time now and a hungry man is very
dangerous, but I would like to add my
quota to the debate. I have neard the
Member for the Grenadines speak at
length on the condition of roads in the
Grenadines and the separation of the
Grenadines from the mainland. This
Government is not a tug-of-war Govern-
ment, you pulling at one end another
pulling at the other end. We intend to
pool all our resources together and make
even distribution throughout the Colony.
We are looking forward tomorrow, Mr.
President, for the Member for the
Grenadines or the Member for South
Leeward to go to Finance Committee and
vote the money for the roads and the
20% increase for the workers, because it
is the only way we can get money. So
if tomorrow you did not go and vote the
money for the 20% I will be able to go
and tell the people that the Member for
the Grenadines is withholding it from
them. You cannot blow hot and cold at
the same time.
I have also heard the Member on the
posting of teachers. Now you are blow-
ing hot and cold at the same time and
that cannot work. When I was on the
Opposition, a motion was brought here
asking for an enquiry into the Educa-
tion Department. He was-the man who
twisted it all around. The Education
Department is being run on a policy and
they must carry on their policy. The
Government here cannot go in and alter
that policy overnight. You cannot come
here and make a lot of noise because a
teacher is moved. The Teachers must
be transferred and you cannot stop it.

I am reiterating that I am looking for-
w.ard to both gentlemen tj come into
Finance Committee tomorrow and vote
tile 20% for the workers.
Mr. PRESYILNT: Honoura le Members,
1 propose to address the I.ouse on this
adjournment only on th.ee matters.
One is-I would like to give an explana-
tion to the Honourable Member for the
Grenadines on the point that he said
"Why was it that the team came here in
such a great hurry and left in such a
great hurry if we were noi considering
getting money for their rect inmendations
until 1960?" The answer tc that .is that,
as lie probably knows, the Organisation
of the Comptroller and Development and
Welfare closes down at the end of this
year and the main money to pay for the
Team did not come out of the St. Vin-
cent, Budget or the St. Vin ent Develop-
ment Funds. It came froL,i funds con-
trolled by the Comptroller which would
not be under his control after the end
of the year.
The second point is the point about
the Teachers. I would lik-. to say that
the general policy of education is decided
by this Government and i6 is eager to
see that the Teachers are satisfied and
education is progressing, and the Gov-
ecnment and the Minister are taking a
great interest in that. But the actual
posting of teachers is not a matter for
the Governnment at all. It is a matter for
the Education Department and I myself
have taKen a personal interest in it.
The question of victimisation was
raised. There will be no victimization.
Teachers may say that they will be victi-
mised, but I can assure them that they
will not be. It was decided by Petter,
accepted by the Teachers and accepted
by this Government trU.t a certain num-
ber of schools be Grade I Scih.;. Some
of these schools were selected because of
the large school population and Scme of
them because they- are far away; and
therefore it is obvious that some teach-
ers will complain about being sent too
far away and to difficult schools; but
they can only get promotion to Gra'de I
Teachers if they go to these far away

schools or to-large and difficult schools.
There are 13 headteachers in Grade I-
Specialised Grade-and the late Govern-
ment and this Government promised
that all Special Grade Teachers would be
promoted into the Grade I of the Petter
Scales by being sent to a Grade I School.
it was not necessary to do that. Better
has laid down that they can all go to
Grade II and that certain of them, either
Special Grade Teachers or their imme-
diate juniors would be promoted after-
wards; but we thought it fair, the old
government will remember and the new
Government confirmed, that every
Special Grade Teacher will be given a
chance to go to a Grade I School.
Now there are 13 schools, and a mini-
mum of 8 transfers is necessary because
only 5 of the old Special Grade Head
Teachers are in charge of schools which
the Education Board has selected as
Grade I schools; we start off by having
to make at least 8 transfers out of 13.
Now added to that there are four of the

Grade I schools which are Angllcan
schools, and two are Methodist, and you
have got to send to these 4 Anglican
Schools four teachers acceptable to the
Anglicans, and you have got to send to
the Methodist Schools, two teachers ac-
ceptable to the Methodists. There are
also two ladies in the Special Grade and
you cannot send them to any school;
only to certain schools they could go.
So when you work that out there are
going to be a large number of transfers,
or indeed probably all, and some people
are going to be discontented. It is a
difficult thing, but it is part of the neces-
sity for carrying out the Petter Report
which has been accepted by Teachers,
the Government, the Secretary of State
and the Governor.
The last thing I have to say is to wish
the House the Compliments of the

Adjourned 1.23 p.m.

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