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VOL. 93.] SAINT VINCENT, TUESDAY, 26 APRIL, 1960. [No. 19.


No. 146.

It is notified for general information that there will be a Meeting of the
Legislative Council, at the Council Chamber, Kingstown, on Thursday, 5th May,
1960, at 10.00 a.m.
A cordial invitation to attend is extended to the General Public.
26th April, 1960.
(A. 10/1959.)

No. 147.

His Honour the Administrator has
learnt with deep regret of the death
of Mr. J. H. CROZIER, Senior Agricul-
tural Instructor, which occurred on
the 13th April, 1960.
26th April, 1960.
(A. 45/1943).

No. 148.

His Honour the Administrator has
been pleased to approve the appoint-
ment of the following persons as Junior
Agricultural Instructors, on probation for

one year, with effect from 16th April,
Mr. E. G. LEWIS.
26th April, 1960.
(P.F.'s. 1003, 1044, 1045.)

No. 149.

His Honour the Administrator has
been pleased to appoint Mr. EDSON
BRANCH to serve as a Nominated Member
of the Barrouallie Town Board with
effect from 16th March, 1960 and for the
remainder of the life of the present
Board which expires on 31st December,
26th April, 1960.

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100 SAINT VINCENT, TUESDAY, 26 APRIL, 1960.-(No. 19.)

No. 150. No. 155.

Rules governing the Award of Certifi-
The following persons have resigned cates and. Badges of Honour are pub-
from the Land Settlement and Develop- shed with this issue of the Gazette.
ment Board, with effect from 5th March, 26th April, 1960.
W. A. HADLEY, Esquire, C.B.E., No. 156.
W. J. A T, Esquire, Copies of the Legislative Council Pro-
W. J. ABBOTT, Euire, ceedings and Debates (Hansard) in the
DENNIS HADLEY, Esquire. Third Session (1956-57) held on 6th
26th April, 1960. June, 1957, which may be seen at Gov-
ernment Office, the Kingstown Library,
(T.P. 42). and at all Revenue Offices, are published
with this issue of the Gazette.
No. 151. 26th April, 1960.
No. 157.
Miss JENNIE JACOBS, Acting Headmis-
tress, Girl's High School has been grant- ADMISSION OF OVERSEAS STU-
ed 56 days vacation leave with effect DENTS TO UNITED KINGDOM
from 20th April, 1960. COURT, POLYTECH-
26th April, 1960. NICS AND OTHER
(P.F. 274.) COLLEGES.
1. Ail United Kingdom Universities,
No. 152. Polytechnics and Inns of Court and near-
ly all Technical and other Colleges re-
STATEMENT OF REDISTRIBUTION- quire overseas students to make their
OF RESPONSIBILITIES AMONG applications for admission through their
MINISTERS. cmlicial student representatives in Lon-
don. Students from The West Indies,
It is notified for public information British Guiana and British Honduras
that the Administrator, by virtue of the who are now in the United Kingdom
power and authority vested in him by should therefore forward their applica-
the Saint Vincent (Constitution) Order tions in the first instance to:--The Secre-
in Council, 1959, has, on the advice of tary for Student Affairs, Student Affairs
the Chief Minister, assigned the depart- Division, The West Indies Commission.
ment or subject of Housing to the Minis- 6-10 Bruton Street, London W.1.
try for Social Services and Education 2. This procedure has been adopted
instead of to the Ministry of Communi- by the Admission Authorities because
cautions and Works as was hitherto the those Authorities wish to be assured that
case. the applicants are recommended to them
26th April, 1960. by their Home Governments or by their
Student Representatives, in London on
personal ani financial grounds before
No. 153. considering applications, and these con-
ditions apply equally to private students
LEGISLATION. as well as to scholarship holders.

The following Document is published 3. On receipt of enquiries, the Stu-
with this issue of the Gazette:- dent Affairs Division of the West Indies
Commission in London will send the
S.R. & O. No. 12-Proclaiming Monday, student forms of particulars for comple-
2nd May, 1960, to be observed as tion and early return. The Division will
a Bank Holiday throughout the then write to the Home Government of
Colony. the applicant so that the necessary
(L. 3/1951.) financial guarantee can be obtained from
6th April, 1 the person paying the student's fees and
26th April, 1960. other expenses. The Division will also
obtain, through the Government, testi-
No. 154. monials by the personal referees named
by the student. If the student's finan-
BANK HOLIDAY. cial guarantors and/or referees are in
the United Kingdom, the persons con-
By virtue of a Proclamation issued with cerned will be written to direct by the
this, Gazette (S.R. & O. No. 12 of 1960), Division.
Monday, 2nd May, 1960, being a Bank Thisprocedure is carried out with
Holiday, all Public Offices will be closed Ths proedu is cried out wit
on that day. as much expedition as possible. It must
Inevitably mean, however, that a certain
26th April, 1960. lapse of time takes place before the appli-

SAINT VINCENT, TUESDAY, 26 APRIL, 1960.-(No. 19.) 101

cation can reach the University, Inn of with the Universities direct. Placings
Court or College concerned with the full at Inns of Court, Polytechnics and
support of the Student Affairs Division. Technical Colleges are however, handled
It is therefore very much in their inter- by the Students Affairs Division dealing
ests for students to apply to the Division direct with the institution concerned.
in the first instance instead of making In all cases the completion of forms of
direct application to the University, Col- particulars and the submission of all
lege or Inn concerned. Direct applica- documents (including original education
tions are invariably referred back to the certificates) as listed on the forms are
Division with or without the knowledge matters of great importance to which
of the student, the applicant should pay particular care
5. To avoid delay and confusion it is and attention.
most desirable that this procedure is 7. The services of the Student Affairs
followed by students who are still in Division are available not only to those
their home territory in The West Indies wishing to gain admission, but also to
at the time of enquiry. Such students students who have already commenced
should invariably apply to the Depart- their studies and who might be in need
ment or Ministry of Education of their of guidance or advice concerning their
Government and they will then be givenI studies.
advice as to how their applications are
to be made in the correct form. Issued By:-
6. It should be explained that Univer- The Secretary for Students Affairs,
sity placings are negotiated by the Stu- Student Affairs Division,
dents Branch of the Colonial Office under The West Indies Commission,
the existing overseas student quota. 6-10, Bruton Street,
Applications for such placings are there- tn r1
fore sent from the Student Affairs Divi- LONDON, W.1.
sion to the Colonial Office who then deal 26th April, 1960.

No. 158.


The Hong Kong Government proposes to award two two-year scholarships
each year for post-graduate study or research. These scholarships will be
tenable at the University of Hong Kong. Applications are now invited for iwo
scholarships to be awarded for 1960-1962.
Fields of Study
Applications for pcst-g:adua. study; leading, where appropriate, to a higher
degree, in any of the following general fields will be entertained.
Arts Medicine
Chinese Language and Literature Anatomy
Chinese History Physiology
Chinese Philosophy Preventive Medicine
Economics Pathology
Education Medicine
English Surgery
Geography and Geology Obstetrics and Gynaecology
(Social Science)
Science Engineering
Mathematics Civil
Physics Electrical
Chemistry Mechanical
Zoology Architecture
Marine Biology
Application forms may be obtained from the Director of Education, Education
Department Headquarters, Battery Path, Hong Kong, or, in the case of candidates
resident in the United Kingdom from the Association of Universities of the
British Commonwealth, 36, Gordon Square, London, W.C.1. They should be
returned in the first instance to the appropriate agency in the applicant's
home country. Not more than two applications from any one country should
be forwarded to the Director of Education, Hong Kong for final selection.
Applications should reach Hong Kong not later than 30th April, 1960.

102 SAINT VINCENT, TUESDAY, 26 APRIL, 1960.-(No. 19.)

These will cover:
Return passages, (at tourist rates, normally by air)
University fees,
Maintenance Allowance, 51-10-0 p.m.
Books and apparatus allowance, 25- 0-0 p.m.
Additional travel allowance, 25- 0-0 p.m.
Clothing allowance (if necessary) 40- 0-0.
Single scholars will be accommodated in University Halls of Residence and
will pay the usual charges, which the maintenance allowance will cover. An addi-
tional maintenance allowance of 80 per month will be paid to a married scholar
(who will have to find his own accommodation) provided that he is married at
the time of submitting his application. His wife's passage also will be paid for
only on the same condition.
Candidates must be Commonwealth citizens, and possess a University degree.
They must be under 35 on 1st October, 1960.
Candidates whose native language is not English will be required to produce
satisfactory evidence that they have sufficient competence in English.
Scholars will be expected to reside in Hong Kong throughout the period of
tenure of the scholarship, though they may leave for short periods with the
permission of the University authorities. They may not undertake paid employ-
ment without the written consent of the Hong Kong Government.
Scholarships must comply with the normal requirements.
Further enquiries
Academic enquiries should be addressed to the Registrar, University of Hong
Kong, Bonham Road, Hong Kong; all other enquiries to the Director of Education.
26th April, 1960.

No. 140.
(No. 22 of 1946)

(Under Section 4 of the Ordinance)

WHEREAS it is enacted by Section 4 of the Land Acquisition Ordinance (No. 22
of 1946) that if the Governor in Council considers that any land may be required
for a public purpose and it is necessary to make a preliminary survey or other
investigation of the land, he may cause a notification to that effect to be pub-
lished in the Gazette:
AND WHEREAS the Governor in Council considers that a portion of land
approximately 4 acres in extent at Orange Hill in the Parish of Charlotte being
the property of Messrs Orange Hill Estates Ltd is likely to be acquired for a public
purpose, to wit, extension of Sandy Bay Village.
AND WHEREAS it is necessary to make a preliminary survey and other investiga-
tion of the said portion of land:
Now THER'EFORE, this is to require all persons interested to allow Mr. Henry
Neblett the Authorised Officer (and his agents, assistants and workmen) to do all
or any of the following things, that is to say:-
(a) to enter upon and survey and take levels of the said portion of land
in the above mentioned locality;
(b) to set out the boundaries of the land intended to be acquired;
(c) to mark levels and lines by placing marks and cutting trenches;
(d) where otherwise the survey cannot be completed or the boundaries
set out or levels taken, to cut down and clear away any standing
crop, fence, tree or bush;
(e) to do all such other acts as may be incidental to or necessary for any
of the purposes aforesaid.
Clerk of Executive Council.
19th April, 1960.
By Order,
Chief Secretary.
26t1- April, 1960.

SAINT VINCENT, TUESDAY, 26 APRIL, 1960.-(No. 19.) 103




Average circulation during February,
British Caribbean Currency ...... 78,678,707.00

Demonetized Government Notes ...... 1,005,109.00

Total average ...... ...... ...... ......$79,683,816.00

British Caribbean Notes and Coins in

circulation on 1st
Trinidad and Tobago
Barbados ...... ......
British Guiana
Grenada ...... .....
St. Vincent ...... ......
Ct. Lucia ...... .....
Dominica ...... ....
Antigua ...... ....
St. K itts ...... ......
Montserrat ......
"Proof Sets" Coins

April, 1960 $
...... ...... ...... 38,480,899.00
...... ...... 7,269,225.00
.... ...... 21,358,412.50
...... ...... 4,311,100.00
..... ...804,400.00
..... ...... 934,000.00
... ..... 2,039,400.00
.... ..... ..... 3,114,300.00
...... .... ....





Total British Caribbean Notes and Coins
in circulation on 1st April, 1960
Demonetized Government Notes outstan-
ding on 1st April, 1960
Trinidad and Tobago ...... ...... ......
British Guiana ...... ...... ......
Barbados ............

Total Government notes outstanding

Total circulation on 1st April, 1960.

$80,127,636.50 $4,112,676.00



$81,130,092.00 $4,112,676.00

Executive Commissioner,
British Caribbean Currency Board.
British Caribbean Currency Board
Treasury Chambers,
Port of Spain,
Trinidad, W.I.

S -. -) la rg e y a

The following article was picked up S.
along the Public Highway at Layou on
15th March, 1960, and is now at Layou Police Headquarters,
Police Station where it may be claimed Kingstown,
by the owner. 21st April, 1960.

le Key.

Chief of Police.


It is hereby notified for general information that a new shipment of vegetable
sesas has arrived and will be on sale at the Office of the Department of Agricul-
ture on Mondays, Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays between the hours of 9 a.m.
and 12 noon and from 1 p.m. to 3 p.m., and on Wednesdays and Saturdays
between the hours of 9 a.m. and 11 a.m.

S1---- -



The prices are as follows:

Cabbage Early Jersey
Cabbage Succession
Cabbage Flat Dutch
Carrot Oxheart
Cucumber Early White Spine
Tomato Ponderosa
Tomato Marglobe
Tomato Oxheart
Tomato Stone
Pepper California Wonder
Eggplant Black Beauty
Beans Fordhook Lima
Big Six Lima
Lettuce Mignonette
Lettuce Imperial
Pumpkin Mammoth
Cantaloupe Honey Rock

1 oz.

1/2 OZ.

1/4 OZ.



1 pk.



Superintendent of Agriculture.

12th April, 1960.

COMMISSION. One Pedal Singer Sewing Machine
Two Morris Chairs
A Statutory Instrument No. 1968 pass- One Centre Table
ed in the United Kingdom in 1959 pro- Four Sitting Chairs
vides for the registration by the Foreign
Compensation Commission of certain A
claims by British Nationals against the D.A. SEALES,
Soviet Union. Senior Bailiff.
Accordingly therefore, any person or Magistrates' Office,
persons being British Nationals having
claims against the Soviet Union should Kingstown.
communicate with the Custodian of 22nd April, 1960.
Enemy Property at the Registrar's Office, ______
Kingstown as early as possible.
Custodian of Enemy GROWERS' ASSOCIATION.

13th April, 1960.


A.D. 1957.

Suit No. 452 of 1957.




It is hereby notified for general infor-
mation that the articles hereunder men-
tioned, levied upon by a Writ of Execu-
tion issued in the above Suit, will be put
up for sale by Public Auction at the
Court House, Kingstown, on Saturday the
21st day of May, 1960, at 1.30 p.m.


Registered growers of the Vermont
District Branch are invited to attend a
meeting to be held at the Retreat Society
Hall on Wednesday April 27th 1960 at
3 p.m.


1. Prayers.
2. Reading and Confirmation of
Minutes of 13th March.
3. Matters arising out of the
4. Discussion of price to growers
and Fertiliser.
5. Other Business.

District Branch
19th April, 1960.

[Price 30 cents.]





1960, No. 12.

(Gazetted 26th April, 1960).



[ LS.]

WHEREAS by section 7 of the Bank Holidays Ordinance, Cap. 161, it is enacted
that it shall be lawful for the Governor in Council from time to time, by Procla-
mation in the Gazette, to appoint a special day to be observed as a Bank Holiday
throughout the Colony:

Now THEREFORE I do, with the advice of the Executive Council, and pursuant
to the authority in me vested by the said Ordinance, hereby appoint Monday, the
2nd day of May, 1960, to be observed as a Bank Holiday throughout the Colony.

GIVEN under my hand and the Public Seal of the Island of Saint Vincent at
the Government Office in the said Island this 23rd day of April in the year
of Our Lord One Thousand Nine Hundred and Sixty and in the Ninth
year of the Reign of Her Majesty QUEEN ELIZABETH THE SECOND.

(L. 3/1951).

[ Price 4 cents. 1

S/S- $-y1



11th Sitting

Thursday, 6th June, 1957.

The Honourable Legislative Council met at 10.25 o'clock this morning.


[MR. PRESIDENT in the Chair]


The Honourable N. A. BERRIDGE, Acting Crown Attorney,
. B. R. THOMAS, Financial Secretary,

J. A. BAYNES, Member for St. George,
. R. E. BAYNES, Minister for Trade and Production, Mem -foM
. G. H. CHARLES, Minister for Social Services, Member for Central
S. C. L. TANNIS, Minister for Communications and Works, Member
for the Grenadines,
S L. C. LATHAM, Member for South Windward,
S. S. E. SLATER, Member for North Leeward,
S A. C. CYRUS, Second Nominated Member,
S. A. B. DOSSANTOS, Third Nominated Member,
H. F. YOUNG, Member for South Leeward.

The Honourable E. A. C. HUGHES, First Nominated Member.
. E. T. JosHUA, Member for North Windward.

The Minutes of the Moeting. of the
Legislative Council of 2nd May, 1957 hav-
ing been circulated, were taken as read
and were confirmed.

Mn. PRESIDENT: Honourable Members,
I have three announcements to make.
The first is that His Excellency has been
pleased to appoint the Honourable A.

C. Cyrus to be a temporary Nominated
Member of Executive Council in place of
the Honourable E. A. C. Hughes, who has
been granted four months leave to be
spent out of St. Vincent. Mr. Cyrus will
therefore cross the floor of the House and
be a Government member for the remain-
der of the session.
The second announcement is that it is
likely that there will be only one further
meeting of the Legislative Council before
dissolution, and therefore His Excellency




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does not propose to appoint a temporary
Nominated Member of Legislative Coun-
cil during Mr. Hughes' absence.
The third announcement concerns
arrangements for the general elections.
The Legislative Council will probably be
dissolved on or about the 31st July, I can-
not-at this stage give an exact date for
Polling day which must depend on the
progress of various preparations required
by the Ordinance, but I can state that
Polling Day will be on or about the 12th
September. A definite announcement
will be made at a later stage.
HON. R. E. BAYNES: On a point of
Order, what does the rule say in connec-
tion with Deputy President. When it
might be really possible for you to with-
hold the appointment of a Nominated
Member for the House, what does it say
in connection with Deputy President of
this House.
MR. PRESIDENT: The Honourable Mem-
ber is perfectly right. There is provision
in the rules for action when a Deputy
President is absent form the House, and
that is the Crown Attorney. Rule 21 of
the Order in Council:
"The Administrator, if present shall.
preside at Meetings of the Council and
in his absence the Deputy President, or
in the absence of the Deputy President
or if there is no Deputy President has
been elected, the Member prc-ent who
stands first in order of precedence
shall preside."
and that is the Crown Attorney, shall fill
the chair.
HON. R. E. BAYNES: But that does not
mean that you must not appoint him.
That really means if the Deputy Presi-
dent is out as well, then the Crown At-
torney shall succeed, but it does not say
he must not be appointed.
MR. PRESIDENT: The ordinance makes
it quite clear that he need not be ap-
HON. R. E. BAYNES: No, not at all.
MR. PrnssnIdtT: Do not say 'not at all'
Honourable Member. There is provision

for the chair to be filled but even if the
Crown Attorney was absent, there is no-
thing to say that a new Deputy Presi-
dent must be elected in the absence of
the Deputy President. That is not the
fact at all. The wording shows that it
is left open and a Deputy President need
not be elected at all.

Whereas the price of village lots all
over the island have jumped to a price
where it has almost impossible for the
ordinary working man to purchase a
house spot.
And whereas wherever a spot is to be
sold it goes to the better class people
who are land owners and from their
banana returns can buy cash.
And whereas this condition is gradu-
ally killing the incentive in the ordi-
nary workers to purchase their own
homes and also reducing our labour
force compelling them to seek opportu-
nities abroad;
And whereas the burden of housing
working class people is growing to be
the sole responsibility of the state.
Be it resolved that this Government
sei out to acquire portions of land in
various parts of the island, which
could be sold to working class people
at a moderate price, which would alle-
viate the acute situation that now
exists in finding houwe spots.
The following papers were laid on the
Cc :ncil Table:
Council Paper No. 16 of 1957: Report
on the Vital Statistics for the year
Council Paper No. 17 of 1957: Report
on the Public Works Department for
the year 1956.

dent, Honourable Members, I have the
honour to move that this Council approve

the Diplomatic Privileges (International
Civil Aviation Organisation) (Amend-
ment) Order, 1957.
second the motion.
Question put and motion passed nem
MR. PRESIDENT: Honourable Members,
before I call upon'the Honourable Mem-
ber for St. George to move the motion
standing in his name, I would like to say
that I promised on last occasion that
Government will investigate the finan-
cial implications of this motion, and I
will give the figures to the House as a
guide for the debate. There cannot of
course be complete details, but we have
gone into it as well as we can. I will
give the cost for 6 months of the propo-
sals-6 months- and any other calcula-
tions can be made by the Honourable
Members. The cost for six months that
will fall on the local budget will be
$90,000. That is more than the alloca-
tion for Public Works Extraordinary for
this year. The extra cost falling on the
C.D. & W. funds which will have to be
paid is $34,000. For 6 months the total
cost will be $124,000. That is more than
the total expenditure on all heads of the
Agricultural Department for last year.
Now having seen the financial implica-
tions for that, the Honourable Member
will realise that this House has not got
that money at this moment and it cannot
resolve that it be implemented because it
has no money. I. will suggest if the Hon-
ourable Member will allow it, in order
that there may be an intelligent debate,
that the motion be amended as follows in
the resolve:
BE IT RESOLVED that the 20% increase
paid to monthly employees of Govern-
ment should also bI paid to all daily
workers of government and that an
immediate request be made to the
Secretary of State for the necessary
HON. J. A. BAYNES: This amendment
as I see it Sir, I believe that you will
agree that this Government is indebted
in that we have gone out to pay 20%

without thought that the average work-
ing man has the same need -for an

MR. PRESIDENT: I just want to find out
whether we can debate the motion on
this basis.
HoN. J. A. BAYNES: I prefer to debate
it on the original motion.
MR. PRESIDENT: That motion cannot
be properly debated because it means
debating something that we have not got
the money to implement. If we debate
it on the resolve, as I have suggested, the
result will be totally different. It is
something that could be supported by
the Opposition and possibly by the Gov-
ernment because we cannot do it. But
we cannot do it if it is put like this. It
is the kind of thing that we have noted
in the past to ensure that Council pass
a motion for something which it is pos-
sible for it to do.

HON. J. A. BAYNES: Mr. President, I
still insist that I will debate on the old
principle and let me show you how.....

MR. PRESIDENT: You have not got my
point, you are now proposing a motion
which it is impossible to carry out.

HON. J. A. BAYNES: I wonder if at this
stage you are in a position to say what
is possible.

MR. PRESIDENT: I have made it quite
clear why I think it is impossible The
Hon. Member knows what is the state of
the Budget. We have not got $124,000 to
implement it if we pass it here.

HON. J. A. BAYNES: Then let me de-
bate something that means nothing. Be-
cause this when sent to the Secretary of
State will be set back for another six

MR. PRESIDENT: I strongly suggest that
this amendment be made. It is some-
thing that you want and if passed it will
bind Government to do something. If
the other is passed, Government can do

HON. J. A. BAYNES: On that ground,
I will accept the amendment; but I do
not see in what form.......
Mn. PRESIDENT: It binds Government
to take action. I call upon the Honour-
able Member to move the motion as
WHEREAS the cost of living has been
going up during the past year, chiefly
on basic necessity Food items in the
meals of the daily worker.
AND WHEREAS it has become impose
sible for thet daily worker to plan his
meals to include meat or fish.
AND WHE ~AS on the Kirkness Re-
commendation this Government has
paid a 20% increase in wages to all
monthly employees, ignoring complete-
ly the branch of Daily-paid workers.
BE IT RESOLVED that the 20% increase
paid to monthly employees of Govern-
ment, be paid also to all daily workers
of this government, and that an imme-
diate request be made to the Secretary
of State for the necessary funds.
Mr. President, Honourable Gentlemen,
I mean very well that a motion such as
this will serve to confur e any unsure Gov-
ernment such as ours. It is true to say
that when Kirkness was passed by Mem-
bers of this House nobody thought that
daily-paid workers too should have con-
sideration because it is clear to say that
every Member of Government was just
hungry to get Kirkness. The Members
of the Civil Service were just hungry to
get that Kirkness forgetting that without
the daily-paid worker the man at the top
has no job, he has nothing to manage.
Besides that, this Government go out to
think about what we are paying supervi-
sion for. We are paying supervision to
the tune of $8.00 to spend $2.00 ,Only
that at the high price of supervision the
ordinary worker is ignored even the price
of one meal.
Today meat cost 50-540 per lb. and fish
40k pr lb. No man working at $1.20 per
day can ever buy meat or fish. In the

actual common law of economics you are
never able to pay the ordinary worker a
starvation wage and get away with it.
It reflects on the estimates of this colony
because any man might have had one
meal a day and automatically he is re-
duced to a 'cake and mauby' meal, then
his out-put will go down more than 50%.
In truth and in fact this Government
pays that money one way or another.
You never get away from it, when you
go out to think only of the Civil Service
of which I am not actually a branch,
and this Kirkness offer me 20%, let me
have it. You forget completely that the
crux of the island's economy rests not
with the Civil Servants, but with the
common man who go out to see that the
roads are open so that the actual ma-
chinery that stable our economy can con-
tinue to run.
When I come in here and move a mo-
tion such as this to ask for 20% for
daily workers, I do not believe that I am
asking any special favour. It is some-
thing that ought to have been given
consideration right now. When I say
that, I am not talking here for the sake
of talk. I am here to back it up, because
here I have in my hand a World Report,
and there you can see that they thought
in the entire world that as from Septem-
ber, 1956 to September, 1958, the price of
wages was bound to go up, not only in
the industrial parts of the United States,
but throughout the civilized world. You
have the firms in the States that have
had raises from 101 per hour to 350 per
hour, and that tells you that those firms
were not raising wages by guess but to
meet the cost of living. You have here
wage rates still going up. Pay raises of
more than 10~ per hour continue to show
up in wage contracts and that goes on
to show you the various divisions of work-
ers, how much they are having per hour.
-It goes to show you that this is not a
condition that anybody is endevouring
to spring on government; but it is a con-
dition which ought to have been given
due consideration if the machinery of
this island is to be sound.
You have here the reason why all our
working men are worth 500 increase.

You see the 5 items that affect the corn- I
mon man. His $2.00 is worth 42. What
42/- bought 4 years ago, it will take a
dollar to buy it today. What 491' bought
in clothing 4 years ago, takes $1.00 to buy
it today: What 55 bought 4 years ago
in rent, takes $1.00 to buy today. What
53 paid for in transportation, a dollar
pays for it today. Then you have the
help dollar to take care of, and that help
dollar, 544 paid for it 4 years ago. So it
goes to show that if these 5 necessities
must be regarded for the actual common
man, you can quite see the reason for
asking for a raise of 20%. Whether or
not Kirkness has given 20% in St. Vin-
cent I feel that 20% ought to have been
given to the ordinary working man.
A few days ago I had a discussion with
a party and he said that potatoes were
still $4.00 a bag and they were asking to
pay $1.20 per day when three years ago
you paid 72. Immediately I was able
to explain and satisfy that man beyond
a shadow of a doubt. It is his fault that
he is not given any opportunity to do any
bargaining. As a consequence, he left
himself at the mercy of the buyer and
gets $4.00 a bag and that is nobody's
fault. You can quite see that if you are
endeavouring to bring pressure to bear
on the working man because you live in
an island where work is scarce, a man
will accept any job at any price if he
does not want to steal. But that is un-
dermining our economy and you are tak-
ing away from the buying power of the
masses which actually would serve to
bolster the industrial incentive of our
colony. So you can quite see when you
put up on the one side, you loose it on
the other side. This is not a question
where we live as in the past in estate
ownership where we exploit the life blood
of the workers. We are far removed
from that, and irrespective of what our
position might be personally, the working
man pays for all. He pays the doctor,
he pays the lawyer and he pays every
man, and without him you find that you
would not have an economy.
I at this moment find myself becoming
desperate because of the number of
working people leaving St. Vincent and

going to Trinidad and other places in
search of livelihood. We have not been
giving the working man any thought re-
cently in that he has reached resolution
point. He has seen no provision made
for him and as a consequence he has to
seek opportunities abroad. If we are de-
.termined to stable our economy in a fed-
eration we will have to begin now by
same amount of energy or skill, as long
giving the working people in this colony
more consideration an concessions than
we gave them in the past. You find that
with the rising cost of living the working
man finds himself in a position that lie
is becoming desperate. We have money
to run the prisons, we have money to run
every institution that debar him from
getting a living, and an opportunity that
will enable him to become a decent citi-
zen of this country is not given a
thought. Hence I feel that even before
Kirkness was given, I gave a hint of what
will happen when Kirkness was passed
in this house. I knew then as I know
now that no sane government can think
of adopting 20% increase merely to the
branch of the Civil Service, forgetting
completely their responsibility to the rest
of the workers.
Gentlemen this is a motion which in
my estimation should not require any
lengthy debate because as I said just now
I am quite aware that every man sitting
around this table knows that the working
man pays for all. And since that is the
case I think that it is the duty of every
Member to support a motion such as this
since it is one in which is tied up, the
life of the ordiriary people. In the past
we have always made an effort to im-
prove from the top. That has not
brought results and I am asking that we
improve from below, because whenever
raise of pay is being considered you start
from the Administrator down, and when
you reach the Messenger he hardly get
anything. You stretch it down instead
of stretching it up. I am asking that
from now on we make an effort to con-
sider from down up instead of from up
HON. H. F. YOUNG: Mr. President, I
beg to second the motion.

HON. ,C. L. TANNIS: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, of course the mo-
tion as now amended has created a cer-
tain amount of uneasiness and doubt in
my mind because as far as I can see now,
this motion as it stands has no definite
time for its implementation. I say so
because the greater number of workers
that should be benefitted by this, pro-
posed increase falls under the depart-
ments which are presently under my con-
trol. During last year, the Wages Coun-
cil met and proposed an increase for
some workers of Public Works within the
radius of 2 miles. This matter created
great stir among many of the working
people in the roads and other govern-
ment projects. The Wages Council was
asked to reconsider this matter and up
to this date they have not been able to
produce concrete proposals for allowing
that privilege not only within a radius
of two miles of this town, but throughout
the entire island. Several delegations
came to the Ministry for Communica-
tions and Works and I have reached to a
stage where I find it very difficult to tell
the persons concerned that the matter
has not yet been settled. Today the mo-
tion gave me a bit of hope; but on the
last resolve I think that bit of hope is
pretty near burnt because the life of this
Council comes to an end very soon and
I fear that the fruit of the resolve of
this motion might not come forth in
good season.
The Mover pointed out that the work-
ing man pays for all. That is true. Of
course I might go a bit further to say
that the small man pays more for his
food stuff than the big man because he
has to depend on his daily wages and he
must buy according to the wages he re-
ceive, and that is from day to day or
week to week. Therefore he buys at the
retail price when the bigger person can
buy at a wholesale price and thus the
bigger man gets his goods a bit cheaper
than the smaller man. So in any case
although he has a small wage he auto-
matically pays more for his goods in
most cases. I feel that every effort
should be made to speed up the introduc-
tion of this motion when it is passed by
this house. We are all living in an is-

land and it would appear unfair when
on one hand when matters affect one
side of the community prompt action is
taken and the Secretary in return gives
most favourable consideration for these
matters; but sometimes on the other
hand the delay in action in the imple-
mentation of things that affect the other
side, makes one wonder whether we are
meting out the correct measure in deal-
ing with the affairs that concern the
lower paid persons of this country.
First it must be clearly pointed out to
the Mover that he has asked for 20%
increase for all daily workers. Of course
he has not said as from what date that
this increase should take place, whether
it should be retrospective from the 1st
of January, or whether it should be im-
plemented as from next month or this
month. I shall be glad if the Mover in
summing up the motion, make his firm
intentions quite clear, whether it is his
wish that this be made retrospective as
from January or from the middle of the
year. It is my intention to support this
motion wholeheartedly ,although I can
now see that in many branches of the
P.W.D. it will create great uneasiness
because I know some have been given
the assurance and others took it upon
themselves that they shall shortly re-
ceive an increase of 20%. Now this mo-
tion as amended only means that we will
have to wait until such time as the Secre-
tary of State is pleased to give his
consent to what this motion asks for. I
thank you.
HON. S. E. SLATER: Mr. President, Hon-
ourable Members, I believe I also must
add my quota along the lines of this mo-
tion. I believe whether we dodpo the
issue now or keep dodging it we will still
pay for it. That is, you will either pay
for hospitals, pay for food for prisoners
which I believe is more than $90,000 a
year. I think it is better to allow a man
to earn his meal rather than controlling
some of them behind bars. I can now
see why all this dodging has been going
on. Your wages Council sat and made
all kinds of effort to increase wages of
daily workers stating that up to two
miles out of town workers should get

$1.20 and $1.50 respectively. I want to
find out whether two miles out of town
or 20 miles out of town won't call for the
same amount of energy or skill, as long
as it is called labour. Everything as far
as I can see when it comes to the poor
man because he has no one by his side
he is always given the dirty end of the
stick. I think that its most unfair when
in every other civilised part of the world
you can see the daily workers wages have
risen very much higher than what we
are paying in St. Vincent and with the
same crops we carry here, and as I see it-
in some cases we should be very much
more prosperous than the other islands.
Instead of that because of our illwill to-
wards our weaker brother we must suffer
with impoverished and starving men as
you might call it. And it should be a
shame to allow this, because if you do
not give you should not look to receive,
and you cannot expect to get anything
out of an empty bag.
,Today we have quite a number of peo-
ple stealing, quite a number of people im-
poverished because no consideration is
given to them. I believe a motion such
as this should have been supported as it
stood through this day where every civil-
ised man if he is so civilised because I
am sure he knows all the hard feelings,
all the disappointments and disadvan-
tages under which the daily worker must
work. I am going to say that the same
way in which Kirkness when it came up,
by a flash the Secretary of State gave a
back pay immediately, I believe in like
manner this request should be made to
the Secretary of State for the Colonies.
Thank you.
HON. R. E. BAYNES: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I must start by
quoting what Abraham Lincoln said:
"For God so loved the poor people that
he made so many of them;" but I am
afraid that Lincoln did not go further by
saying that all the people should be
well taken care of. It was not until the
end of the last World War when some of
these imperialist countries were being
back to the walls from competition of the
other communist countries, that they re-
alised that the wealth of a country, with-

out the care of the peoples of that coun-
try meant nothing to that country. For
that same reason we see countries like
United States, 'Great Britain and others
spending millions and millions of dollars
tq help to develop people in order to save
the world from the fate of communism.
Unfortunately for. us in a small island
such as this where all we have is just a
little rock, they never thought that we
too on this side deserve some form of
consideration. It is only now that these
territoires by virtue of the fact that they
are being federated, I see on the last
report cf the Trade Commissioner that
one of the items that is being put on
the Minister's agenda to be discussed in
London is economic assistance to the
newly formed nation of Ghana and the
Federated West Indies.
Now I must support this motion. This
motion is really right up my street for
this particular reason that in any im-
poverished country one of the contribu-
tary factors to hardship, is the poor dis-
tribution of the money of that country.
Now when you check on some of these
countries St. Vincent is no exception.
Year in year out we contribute'and sup-
port what the Socialist people term a
form of 'Bureaucracy', where a certain
clique is able to live in luxury and wealth
and another clique in misery. That is
what it really means, and in poor com-
munities except the wealth of that coun-
try is properly or more evenly distributed
the country is, bound to remain poor. In
short, this is what it is. If a fellow gets
more mcney than he normally can spend,
the remainder of that money is put into
the bank, whilst other fellows who are
getting less than they could spend, go
and run a credit here and dodge his
creditors when the month ends. That is
the type of society which we are perpetu-
ating from year to .year, and as I say
this and I am saying this openly that
some of the proposals made in the Fed-
eration, I am prepared to attack them
tooth and nail because the quicker these
islands realise that they-must get out of
this imperialistic pattern the better it is
going to be for all the West Indies.
Now we are thinking in terms of giving

20% to the worker. On the last occasion
when 20% was given to the Civil Service
a lot of people got the impression that I
opposed it. Remember this that 20% in
terms of 20% means nothing. It is the
result of applying 20% what it means, be-
cause if you apply 20% or to 5/- it is but
a shilling, and when you apply 20% on
to $600 it is $120. But when the fellow
with his shilling goes to buy a pound of
fish he pays the same price for the pound
of fish as the man who got the $120
which represent 20%. And that is one
of the points which we in these parts
forget when we say well we want 20%-
and things of the kind. What you want
is to give people an increase that is go-
ing to meet cost of living. At the mo-
ment it is unfortunate, and I say this
that quite a number of people work very
easily for the salaries they get in the
Civil Service.
We have no statistical information to
tell what the rising cost of living is. In
every one of the other islands you see it
right there when the cost of living goes.
up. We have none, and so we do not
know what is the rising cost of living;
but I have collated some figures here
which really should give people an idea
of what is taking place. Since 20% in-
crease has been put on salaries, the
,average cost for a family of 5 is 714 per
day or 21.20 per month. That takes into
account the increase on fish of 2 lbs per
day-32; meat 2 lbs per day-583.-and
milk 4f per bottle with other items of
food, the increase of which has been the
result of the increase of the Canadian
rate of exchange in 20% making a total
of 71g. If you multiply that by 30 you
will see that the rising cost of living over
the period since that 20% has been in-
creased is $21.30. But again it brings me
light back to the point. The fellow in
the Government service who has been
given 20% increase and his salary was
$40, got $8.00 and he is now faced with
$13.30 to pay. These are facts and
figures and we cannot dispute them, and
I will say this again that at every time
there is a rise or an increase in cost of
wages it automatically follows that there
is bound to be a rise in the cost of living.

Because those people who rally don't
work with any organisation they teo
have to have increased cost. Their over-
heads have gone up and so automatically
their profit is decreased.
It is a vicious circle, and to overcome
some of these vicious circles no govern-
ment should sit down today and expect
that we come here and patch a piece on
here and patch a piece on here. I have
said this all along that we in these is-
lands must sit down and take an overall
picture of these increases and make re-
commendations in the various categories
in order that the man on the ground gets
his fair share. Most of the people who
live in the upper brackets they are not
concerned what happens to the man on
the ground. I say that openly because I
have my experiences and I know from
what I have unearthed that that is so.
I have not vented my feelings on some
of the things I have seen and some of the
things I have heard. But this is one
time when I feel that this Government
con do nothing less than think in terms
of increasing the wage to the small man.
I go further. I say why do we think
that big countries or big organizations
like the United Nations Organisntions
through the F.A.O. and W.H.O. are try-
ing to make technical and financial assis-
tance available to all these underdevel-
oped territories? The reason is quite
clear that they feel that we in these
small islands should try to encourage a
better standard of health among our
communities, and we could only do that
when the man himself who has to buy
the type of diet which they set out as a
pattern or as a standard, has the money
to pay for that type of diet. Now here
is a diet which I have picked up from
one Miss Hagland in Trinidad who i.
connected through the F.A.O. to the Bri-
tish Caribbean Commission and when
you put down here on paper for a break-
fast for 5 it cost $1.74-per breakfast-
when the man himself is working for
$1.20. Now for a family of five it is
30 ozs. grapefruit juice diluted 240
8 oz. cereal-160, 40 ozs. milk-24, 16
ozs bread-'200, 8 ozs. sugar-10, tea or
coffee 104, eggs--70 total $1.74. The
man is working for $1.20

Gentlemen, these are hard-boiled facts
and even though the President has asked
that the motion be changed, I am hoping
that wherever possible in the depart-
ments of this Government which are be-
ing affected by the change of this resolve
that Government would still go out to
see that these people are satisfied be-
cause a number of them are expecting to
get this increase and I still say this:
Government should stop at nothing
because when these 'statements are
made the public is not going to take
it as though they are made from the
Chair, they understand that the Minis-
ters here are the responsible body for the
Government now that they have a ma-
jority in the Executive Council; and I
am not prepared to take-any blame for
any one of these statements because I
feel that these people are entitled to
more than 20%. Government can do no
less than make strong representation
through the Governor for an increase to
meet the rising cost of living which has
been agitated as a result of the increase
of 20% made to the members of the Civil
HON. A. C. CYRUS: Mr. President, Hon-
ourable- Members, the Honourable last
speaker started his debate with a quota-
tion from Abraham Lincoln, and that
reminds me of an appropriate one from
John Bright. John Bright said that the
nation of every country dwells in the cot-
tage, and unless the light of your consti-
tution can shine there, unless it can
reflect on the minds of the small people,
you have yet to learn the duties of Gov-
ernment. Gentlemen I believe it was
that that Members of this Government
had in mind why they have all decided
to support this motion. They have
realized that the under privileged man
has to cope with the increased cost of
living as anybody else. But they are
aware that this Government is a bank-
rupt government and therefore it is not
in a position to put its hands on the
cash readily to implement this motion.
It is for that very reason why at this
juncture I should like to commend the
Honourable Mover of this motion, the
Honourable Member for St. George, when

he agreed to accept the amendment to
this motion. This is election year and
this is the time for rabble rousing. He
could have been foolhardy enough to say
that he is not accepting an amendment
knowing quite well that it could not be
implemented as it is because we have
not got the money. He would have left
this House as a hero but without getting
anything done for the people. But he
accepted the amendment to the motion
and I would like to suggest that in the
circumstances the President of this Coun-
cil take immediate action in the matter
and get in touch with the Secretary of
State, pointing out to him that we need
the urgent implementation of this mo-
tion as amended, so that it would enable
the small man to tide over the difficulties
experienced at the moment with the
rise in cost of living.
HON. H. F. YOUNG: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I rise to support
the motion. I seconded, an I thought of
waiting back. We must support this mo-
tion; but -my friend the Minister for
Trade and Production wisely said that
the big point in St. Vincent is not only
to give a raise to the average man, but
for us to think of creating new.indus-
tries to furnish more employment be-
cause of this Federation we are entering
now. As my friend from St. Georges
wisely said you take marketing of crops.
Our poor producers in the country not
knowing how to market their crops the
speculator, or the middle man comes be-
tween and put a price on it and eventu-
ally he makes a pound on a crown from
the same thousands who sweat. By all
means we want to give the man who is
working a fair chance but by all means
this Government and any future govern-
ment must got out to see industries pro-
vided that the man who toil on his lands
get the best price on his crops and by
doing that ultimately develop the coun-
I am pleased to say that the Trinidad
Gvernment-Dr. Eric Williams discussed
it- and the Trinidad Government is or-
ganising a marketing set up with a firm
established department with prestige and
honesty that most of our crops from all

over the region can go there under a
proper set up. Also that our people, who
do not work for government but who pro-
duce from the land will eventually be
able to get a better price and so help
their family. Giving a few dollars to a
few men who are employed is not all
and although we must give those few
men a few dollars we must see to it that
the growing population get employment.
See to it that we make certain things,
develop cottage industries and see that
some of our young girls, all of them can-
not go into the field, and the Minister
for Trade and Production should really
get out during his short time of Ministry
to see what he can develop along that
line to create more employment for our
people. Because as I see it in St. Vincent
it is not only raising the pay that is
necessary but it is to furnish more work
for some of these poor chaps who cannot
get work.
While a man needs 204 or may be $2.00
more because everybody needs money,
there is a whole set of people who can-
not get employment at all, and it is for
this Government to fix their Public
Works and their road programme so that
when the crops are off the people can
then continue, because when a man
works for three months and six months
and the other six months he cannot get
work then what? Mr. President, I know
the financial position of this island. Our
estimates have been approved, we have
our hospital staff and buildings, we have
a five-year school building, we have water
schemes and all these other projects to
take place pnd T happen to know that
we cannot touch those money; but I ap-
peal to you with the support of this
House to send on a despatch to the
Secretary of Sta.e to try to implement
this increase for the average small work-
er of Government. At the same time it
is for us to start, with Federation just
around the corner, to develop new indus-
tries and think of new ways of produc-
tion for those people who cannot get
work. I thank yri'.
HON. A. B. 'DOS'NTOS: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I listened to many
political speeches today on this debate,

but from my observation, we had our
budget session which has been passed
about three months ago. When that
budget was placed before the House there
was no motion about increasing salaries
or otherwise. Everybody agreed and the
budget was passed unanimously as a
matter of fact by acclamation. Now this
is a political debate and I felt that this
motion must have an infectious feeling
on the Elected Members. I am going to
agree with the motion as amended, with
these observations.
I heard Honourable Members speak
about estate ownership sapping the blood
of the common man. I would like to in-
form the House that the Member for St.
George once owned an estate. He ran
it for about two or three years and after
he decided to dispose of it........

MR. PRESIDENT: I must ask the Hon.
Member not to make any personalities.
HON. A. B. DosSANTos: Now sir, If in
the event that this budget had to be
re-vamped, I would like to know just
what you would have taken away
whether it is from schools, whether it is
from hospitals, whether it is from roads.
The only thing I see is the amendment
which might be able to get some imple-
mentation for the workers. But other
than that I can see no means whereby it
Aould be justified to pay any raise out
of the budget as it was in the past. Now
sir, this is political year. We feel eie-
tions is just around the corner and a
motion like this in my observation is
purely vote-catching bribery, masquerad-
ing as social good. Such a motion was
never discussed and never intended in
the past; but just as the election time
come around everybody want to give to
the people something which was......
HON. R. E. BAYNES: On a point of in-
formation sir, before the motion was
brought the matter was discussed in
Executive Council that there should be
a 20% increase for workers.
HON. A. B. DosSANTOS: Those Mem-
bers who actually put up this motion, all
I would feel is that they feel that their
electorate does not seem to be with them.

They feel a bit weak-kneed, sir, and they
just put in something so as to be able to
reap the benefit on election time.
HoN. L. C. IATHAM: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, as a Member of
the Opposition I wait back to hear the
debate, what the Third Nominated Mem-
ber termed 'political Speeches'. If I had
thought that the Minister for Social
Services would have got up, I would still
have sat back. I sat back here as the
wicket keep to the Government in this
debate but I have listened attentively
and I will attack the last speaker, the
Third Nominated Member. He gave a
very good suggestion here but he referred
to the budget session-I must attack that
first-the budget session which has just
passed here was passed unanimously.
Silence gave consent by the Opposition.
It did not include the 20% for the daily
paid workers so we could not have it
placed in the 1957 budget. The Member
for St. George has just brought this mo-
tion here and to get this motion imple-
mented we are asking, according to the
amendment, that a letter be sent to the
Secretary of State regarding the 20%
increase. ,This actually has nothing to
dq with the 1957 budget. I think the
last speaker has missed the bus or missed
the debate or something.
Now I am very glad that the Govern-
ment side supports this motion and I am
also glad to know as the last Member
said this is election year, that the Mem-
ber for St. George brought such a very
good motion, well worded to this House;
and it has passed semi-unanimously I
should say, because we have no Opposi-
tion now. I do hope and trust that he
will be able to return back to this House
to see his motion implemented.
HoN. G. H. CHARLES: Mr. Chairman,
Honourable Members, I do not think I
can add more to the debate because it
was fully covered by the past speakers.
I wish to state that as we do know, we
are not like Grenada which is not grant-
aided. We can take as an example the
matter now before the Secretary of State
for our teachers not only in St. Vincent
but for all the Windward Islands. The

Secretary of State himself appointed a
commissioner to investigate and report
on Teachers' Salaries. Although his re-
port stated that it should be implement-
ed no later than 1st April, now we are in
June. I therefore do hope that His
Excellency the Governor, after this has
been settled here by this Council, will
take all necessary steps to present a
satisfactory case to the Secretary of
State for the Colonies. I am saying this,
the Teachers are not Civil Servants, I
do not know, but it seems, as one of the
past speakers said, it is only when Civil
Servants are involved that active mea-
sure is being taken to speed up action.
Because the bigger fellows, like His Excel-
lency the Governor, have all the say
and he can push the matter with force
because as a matter of fact His Excel-
lency is a Civil Servant too; but the
teachers have nobody to push the matter
with speed. So I do hope that this mat-
ter can get some action behind it too.
I want to make an observation that
when we are doing something instead of
sending it piece meal, piece meal, let us
do something once and for all. The
nurses were on par with the teachers,
Supernumerary and Pupil Teachers,
those from $6 to $20 and $25 and so on.
I brought up something on that in the
Budget Session but Government could
not see their way to make any adjust-
ment then. I am sounding the note of
warning now, while we are asking for
20% increase for daily workers I am
asking that we should consider and look
into the nurses case in order that one
solid recommendation could be made to
the Secretary of State. Because late or
soon, what we are trying to ignore now,
we would have to face. Whether or not
anybody consider the nurses until they
are sick and go down to the hospital I
do not know; but I am saying with all
honesty of purpose that we include them
along with this recommendation which
we are about to send to the Secretary of
HoN. J. A. BAYNES: M4 President,
Honourable Members, in reply to the
various speakers I would like first to add

to that motion as expressed by the Hon-
ourable Minister for Communications
and Works, that this payment begir the
1st June, 1957. Now this motion this
morning has given food for thought in
that when I was asked to accept the
amendment to the resolve I felt it should
not have been accepted. Perhaps not
being a Minister I did not know in which
way the wind was blowing. I would not
have accepted the amendment; but I
know when the Minister had voted
against the decision in Executive Coun-
cil then they would have had three va-
cant positions.
This motion brought out quite a lot
here this morning because I also had a
very striking experience. The Third
Nominated Member who had lost his
tongue since he has been here, found it
today. Never since he has come to this
'house has he ever got up in defence of
a motion, as a consequence, wherever his
tongue was he found it this morning. I
would like to let him know that he is the
only one of the old school and we are
fighting for an advanced St. Vincent.
We are determined to- destroy men of his
calibre who are standing as, obstacles on
the road to progress. St. Vincent comes
first and the Third Nominated Member*
after. In making this statement I hope
that he will carry it home, give it
thought, because- today is not the day for
austere men. Today is for men who
must think of the generation to come
so that when we shall have departed
this life we would have made a solid con-
tribution to the progress of the country.
I would also like to add on the question
as touched by the Minister for Trade and
Production. The question of diet is not
given consideration in the case of the
working man and because of that, while
this might be an aim to catch votes as
was outlined here, yet I feel this is a
solid contribution in laying a foundation
for the progress of St. Vincent. We find
that in the United States as I made re-
ference before, the minimum wage is
$1.00 per hour, nearly in all states. Per-
haps many of us do not know that be-
cause in measuring cost of living it is
never merely based on food; but on five

things: transportation, health, clothing,
food and things of the kind. In St. Vin-
cent we have a way of just running
around, catch a few prices from grocery
stores and say the cost of living has gone
up. Nobody knows what is the actual
cost of living, because we do not know
how it is done. We have always been
fighting here where little ones become
food for bigger ones. But today we have
.to make an effort to prevent mal-nutri-
tion from invading the ranks of the work-
ing class people. Because what you did
not pay for in food you pay for in
another direction.
I feel gentlemen, that this motion de-
serves your support and as expressed
here I feel sure that Ministers who are
Members of Executive Council will do all
in their power to see that a cablegram to
the Secretary of State for the Colonies
be despatched at the earliest possible
opportunity so that a reply be brought
to those people who are every day hang-
ing at the P.W.D. to know whether they
are getting the 20% increase. I know
the Minister of Communications and
Works must find something to tell them.
I hope this motion will have your support
gentlemen. I leave it to you.
MR. PRESIDENT: NOW just one point I
want to get clear, that is the question of
the date of implementation .of the mo-
HON. J. A. BAYNES: From the 1st June.
MR. PRESIDENT: The resolve will read"
........with effect from the 1st of June."
Is that accepted?
The motion as amended was passed
HON. S. E. SLATER: Mr. President, Hon-
ourable Members.,
WHEREAS there are at present about
two hundred and fifty children of
school age at Rose Hall, who especially
during the rainy season are unable to
attend school at Troumaca which is
about two miles from Rose Hall:
AND'WHEREAS the people of Rose Hall
are making demands for a Community

BE IT RESOLVED that consideration be
given this year for the erection of a
Community Hall which could be used
as an Infant School during the week,
and as a Sunday School on Sundays.
sions be made in the 1958 Estimates
for the erection of this building, if not
completed this year.
Mr. President, Honourable Members, I
believe that a motion such as this should
have the whole-hearted support of Mem-
bers who are here today. For this rea-,
son: only 2 months ago a child left Rose
Hall in the rain, got wet and remained in
school in wet clothes. It caught a cold
and died of pneumonia. I believe peo-
ples living in that area should have some
consideration given them. I notice in St.
Vincent, almost all the necessary benefits
to be meted out to the people are more
less got in Kingstown as though Kings-
town constitute St. Vincent. I believe
all the outskirts town and villages are
passed over, for that reason I have
brought this motion so that you can
know what is happening in St. Vincent.
It is not only schools. Those same child-
ren today will be the men of tomorrow
and I am sure that there might be useful
citizens among them if given a chance.
It is very, very hard especially in the
months of June to September when 250
children must leave Rose Hall for school
half fed and all wet, which makes it
certain that infection will take place
much faster as impoverished as they are.
So I am asking the House not because of
politics but because of sympathy for
those poor unfortunate children. I am
not bringing this here because of elec-
tion time. I am building a case so that
when I am gone somebody would say
that Sam Slater has done some good for
HON. G. H. CHARLES: Mr. President,
Hon. Members, while I stand to second
this motion, I would just ask the Mover
if he would accept just a small amend-
ment in the first resolve:
Be it resolve that consideration be
given in the 1958 estimates......."
Because I think the Mover will know that

this is the middle of the year, the esti-
mates are already approved and there
are no funds in hand, therefore if he
would accept this amendment and just
delete the second resolve it would be
better. Would you accept that amend-
HON. S. E. SLATER: Reading What?
HON. G. H. CHARLES: In the first re-
solve you have here "Be it resolved that
consideration be given this year for the
erection....." Instead of using the
words "this year" use "in the 1958 esti-
mates." That is in the first resolve.
HON. S. E. SLATER: I think the second
resolve covers that.
HON. G. H. CHARLES: We have no
money for the first so we could not ac-
cept the second before the first.
HON. S. E. SLATER: That is why I have
stated it so. Very well. Yes cut out the
second resolve. I will accept the amend-
HON. H. F. YOUNG: Mr., President,
with that amendment I beg to second the
motion, and I would like to say a few
MR. PRESIDENT: Honpurable Member
the motion was already seconded.
HON. H. F. YOUNG: Oh, I am sorry.
Mr. President, Honourable Members, I
personally know Rose Hall and I assure
you I think it is long overdue. From
Rose Hall to Troumada the question of
mileage is not so much, but it is the hill,
the terrain. And to 'put an infant
school up there would be doing the com-
munity a great service. Coming down
that Troumaca Hill especially in the
rainy season is a sad thing and I would
like to say this that if we can, I do not
know if we will be in power to make the
new estimates but naturally the Gov-
ernment side and the Administration will
be-not just to consider it, but to see
that it is put in the estimates for 1958.
We have schools all over the island and
we are building more schools. I person-
ally got one some time ago at Clare

Valley; but I can assure the Honourable
Members who do not know that terrain
that it is really a necessity to have a
small school in Rose Hall especially in
the rainy season. That is all because
you have accepted it and I will be glad
if instead of considering it you will make
it strong that it will be included in the
1958 estimates.
HoN. C. L. TANNIS: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, in supporting this
motion I must mention that it is not a
political motion because there is on my
desk a petition from the people from
Rose Hall concerning the said school and
they have invited the Administrator, the
Superintendent of Works and myself
along with a Member of .the district to
visit the area, shortly and I will be too
happy to see a school included in the
1958 estimates and that it is built during
the coming year, Thank you.
HON. A. B. DosSANTos: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I will support that
motion, sir, and I hope that the Minister
for Communications and Works will be
able to save that much money from his
vote so that he will be able to build that
school this year.
Motion as amended was passed unani-
Meeting adjourned at 12.00 noon.
Council resume at 2 p.m.
HON. C. L. TANNIS: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I beg to move the
motion standing in my name.
WHEREAS the St. Vincent Government
have now agreed to sign the new agree-
ment under which British West Indian
Airways operate in the Caribbean.
BE IT RESOLVED that British West In-
dian Airways be now asked to state
urgently what type of aircraft they
propose to operate into St. Vincent in
order that an immediate approach may
be made to Her Majesty's Government
for release of funds to build an air-
field to take such a tyPe 6f aeroplane.
ing an early and satisfactory arrange-

ment being made with British West
Indian Airways, an invitation be ex-
tended to ,an American Air Line
operating in the area to open a feeder
service to St. Vincent on such favour-
able terms as can be negotiated.
Before I proceed to debate this motion,
I would like to make a slight amend-
ment to include the word 'adequate.'
"Release of 'adequate' funds" instead of
"release of funds."
Gentlemen, this matter concerning an
airfield for St. Vincent has been a long
drawn out issue for over a period of 10
or more years; and we are all well aware
that if St. Vincent must recover from
this financial position in which it stands,
the need for an airfield is a No. 1 priority.
We have, in discussions for this airfield,
St. Vincent Government on the one side
with the Director, Civil Aviation, Wind-
wards and Leeward. We have B.O.A.C.
and B.W.I.A. on the other hand and last
but not least we have Colonial Office and
Her Majesty's Government on the next
hand; so you will see from the beginning
of the debate that it is going to be a
very complicated one. You can see be-
fore me a file growing larger and larger
in size every day; but we are not getting
down to any real solution of this long
outstanding problem.
After St. Vincent's case was put at a
meeting of the Air Transport Advisory
Council in Jamaica, it was decided that
the signing of the agreement should be
delayed until B.W.I.A. could state what
type of plane they intended to run into
St. Vincent, and which of the proposed
sites was suitable to construct an airfield
to accommodate the type of proposed
planes. Representatives of the B.W.I.A.
were p1e fit ait this nesting and they
made it quite clear in the agreement that
once St. Vincent provided an airfield of
2,900ft run-way, they were prepared to
put in a service. The case of St. Vincent
was outlined in the following text so that
you might have here the historical back-
ground of what took place during the
past years:
On the 7th August, 1943, the work of
constructing an airfield at Diamond was

completed at a cost of 17,616. The work
was undertaken "as a result of the
advice" of British West Indian Airways
Under the terms of an Agreement
dated the 21st of January 1944, British
West Indian Airways formally undertook
the operation of a passenger, luggage
and mail service to St. Vincent. The
Company had been using the Diamond
Airfield since 1943, and, despite of un-
suitability and unsafety of the Airfield,
continued to use it "without mishap"
until October, 1944, when there was a
break in the service. This break was not
due to the unsuitability of the airfield,
but to a shortage of the type of aircraft
which the Company operated to St.
On Sunday, 4th March, 1945, an official
of B.W.I.A. flew from Trinidad to the
Diamond Airfield, to investigate certain
"minor obstructions" at the airfield, of
which the Company had complained;
and next day, 5th March, operation of
the regular service was resumed. This
did not go on for long. B.W.I.A. suspend-
ed the service again on the 31st of May,
1045, and have since, to date, been giving
and retracting promises to reassume
their responsibility to provide an air ser-
vice to St. Vincent in accordance with
the terms of their contract.
Meanwhile, the following schemes
from time to time came under considera-
(a) Reorientation of the Dia-
mond Airfield at a cost of 65,000
(b) Lengthening of existing
run-way at Diamond 74,000
(c) Construction of airfield at
Langley Park 125,000
(d) Construction of airfield at
Rathomill 100,000
The Rathomill and Diamond sites
were examined by Manager-Director of
B.W.I.A., in company with the Senior
Civil Engineer, Windward Islands, and
Engineering Adviser to the Comptroller
for Development and Welfare, on the
19th of June, 1945. They all agreed that
Rathomill was better than the new site
proposed at Diamond. Later, the Comp-

troller wrote: "As stated in paragraph
(c) of Colonel MacDonald's report, the
Managing Director of British West In-
dian Airways is of opinion that it should
be possible to conduct operations (at
Rathomill) with a reasonable degree of
safety if an airfield is constructed on
this site with the specifications proposed
by Colonel MacDonald."
Then in November, the Secretary of
State for the Colonies suggested that
B.W.I.A. charter a Grumman Goose from
B.G. Airways to operate a once-weekly
service to St. Vincent. B.W.I.A.'s reply
to this suggestion was that the "Board
could see no point in British West Indian
Airways chartering from British Guiana
Airways. It was, in their opinion, pre-
ferable that British Guiana Airways
should, if possible, operate direct to St.
Vincent, if suitable arrangements could
be made."
B.W.I.A. therefore left it to St. Vincent
to negotiate with B.G.A. to provide an
airservice. Yet, when B.G.A. provided
this service, B.W.I.A. immediately placed
obstacles in the way. Thus in May, 1946,
the Governor of the Windward Islands
complained to the Secretary of State for
th Colonies of "B.W.I.A.'s attitude to-
wards carriage of passengers other than
transit passengers for St. Vincent from
Trinidad by British Guiana Airways air-
craft between Trinidad and Grenatla and
vice versa on proposed schedules on the
ground that B.W.I.A. now operates once
weekly service between Trinidad and
"I do not (repeat NOT) however I feel
able to agree to this objection for follow-
ing reasons," said the Governor:
"owing to fact that B.W.I.A. has de-
clined to operate its aircraft to Dia-
mond Field or to charter- British
Guiana Airways aircraft for that pur-
pose, it has been necessary for St.
Vincent Government at considerable
expense to charter aircraft from Bri-
tish Guiana Airways. It is therefore
unreasonable that St. Vincent Govern-
ment should be further penalised by
not being allowed to reduce cost of
charter by filling aircraft between
Trinidad and Grenada."

To discourage B.G.A.'s Trinidad-St. Vin-
cent traffic, B.W.I.A. announced their
intention to charge B.G.A. $150 per
month for hangar facilities. "This",
wrote a Government commentator, "after
failing to produce service is in my
opinion criminal."
B.W.I.A. next raised objection to
B.G.A.'s using the Diamond Airfield, on
the ground that the Airfield was unsafe.
To this, the Governor replied:
"With regard to the safety factor at
Diamond Airfield, while it may be true
that with -the existing available air-
craft, field is considered unsafe for
operation by B.W.I.A. this does not
necessarily apply to other types of air-
craft and British Guiana Airways con-
sider it safe to operate their Grumman
to and from this field. In any event,
I am unable to accept the technical
opinion of British West Indian Airways
with regard to the Service operated by
another Company unless such opinion
is invited. In this connection I invite
reference to your telegram No. 366 of
9th April in which opinion was express-
ed that mall aircraft should be able
to use St. Vincent field in spite of diffi-
culties. British. Guiana Airways has
in fact operated successfully for past
few months in and out of Diamond
Air Field."
British Guiana Airways continued to
use Diamond Airfield without incident
until it was finally closed on 23rd Febru-
ary, 1951.
B.W.I.A.'s next objection to the B.G.A.
was that it was not a British Company,
this Government replied that we were
forced to be more interested in the pro-
vision of an air service than in who pro-
vided it, since B.W.I.A. has refused to do
so. It was then costing St. Vincent 238
per flight, full or empty for the Grum-
man Goose. Later a subsidy from the
Colonial Office was sought and obtained.
In June 1948, B.W.I.A. promised to pro-
vide planes for a Sealand service. That
service has not yet materialised; and in
March, 1953, the Directorate General of
Civil Aviation revealed what was long
apparent: "B.W.I.A. Ltd., is reluctant

to invest in aircraft......to the smaller
islands and to operate under its own
name what may be termed "Bush" ser-
This attitude was again reported by
our delegate to the 1953 Air Conference:
"When B.W.I.A. came to the meeting
in Barbados in June, they came as big
air lines dangling "Viscounts" and
"Dakotas" with the usual no thought
for the smaller islands. They didn't
realise that Federation was round the
corner and the influence on the bigger
islands would have a different turn on
things, and at that meeting the repre-
sentatives of the larger islands support-
ed St. Vincent's case.
Early-in 1956, the Colonial Office con-
sulted Messrs. Scott Wilson on our be-
half, and that firm decided to send re-
presentatives to St. Vincent to carry out
a detailed survey and to draw up con-
tract documents for the construction of
an airfield to a Twin Pioneer standard at
Amos Vale. B.W.I.A. then preferred to
fly 'Vikings.' The present position was
summed up for Finance Committee on
14th August, 1956 by the Administrator
in the following text:
"After completing a survey of the
Arnos Vale area, British West Indian
Airways had submitted a scheme to the
Air Transport Advisory Board for con-
struction of an Air-field 7,000 feet long
at Arnos Vale to accommodate Vikings.
If the scheme met with the Board's ap-
proval, finance for construction would
be discussed between B.W.I.A. and Gov-
ernment. If the scheme failed, a re-
quest for the United Kingdom Survey-
ors to survey the proposed Pioneer
Strip will then be made."
The Viking possibility could not and
has not yet materialised because a little
later on B.W.I.A. decided to withdraw the
Vikings from their operations, and to
use Viscounts and Dakotas only. So
thus ended the story of the Vikings.
In the meantime Sir Duncan Cumming
was requested by Colonial Office to pay a
visit to St. Vincent when he conducted
a survey of the operation of the B.W.I.A.

in the West Indian Islands. The oppor-
tunity was taken to put St. Vincent's
case by His Honour the Administrator,
the Minister for Trade and Production
and the Minister for Communications
and Works. Sir Duncan Cumming pro-
mised to give his personal attention to
the matter, and later during the year
arrangements were made for the Twin
Pioneer to do trial landings in St. Vin-
cent during the American/Caribbean
test flights. These test landings in St.
Vincent were highly successful and there
was a great relief in the hearts of many
people that our problems would have
been solved for at least another 10 or 20
years. Unfortunately I cannot say that
that is so, because B.W.I.A. then came
back to state that they were not inter-
ested in operating the Twin Pioneer be-
cause of its single engine performance in
level flight, which is much below safety
requirements for regular use over water
and its payload when reasonable bag-
gage allowance was provided, was uneco-
nomical; and as far as I can see, hereby
ends the tale of the Twin Pioneer.
Later on we are coming on to the
'Dakotas,' proposed; but before I do so I
must mention that around this time the
D.C.A., Windwards and Leewards, made
other surveys of other sites on this is-
land. There was the site proposed at
Akers. To this the D.C.A. said: "There
is no site in this area that can readily
be made into an airfield even of the
smallest category." The Buccament
River site was also gone into and Contour
maps of the island indicated that it
might be possible to construct an airstrip
on the river alignment in this area. In-
spection of the site revealed that it is
totally unsuitable as the approach from
the sea is into a narrow funnel complete-
ly surrounded by high ground which it
would be impossible to clear in the event
of an overshoot.
The Ratho Mill site which was men-
tioned earlier was looked at. Here are
the comments of the D.C.A.:
"Had it been possible to construct
an airstrip in this area, or for that
matter anywhere in the southern ex-
tremity of the island, it would have the

advantage of an unobstructed prevail-
ing wind take-off, and approach. Un-
fortunately, the nature of the terrain
is such that it is impossible to obtain
a suitable alignment without excessive
heavy earth-work and pohibitive engin-
eering costs."
Union River site was also ruled out of
order because of the cross winds and
land formation.
The Diamond Airfield was again
brought into play and here again it was
found that it would not be suitable to
accommodate the larger type of aircraft.
Langley Park site was also taken into
account and although an airfield could
be put in Langley Park the cost at rough
figures would have been in the region of
some 500,000, and secondly there was
the distance from Kingstown. Now we
are left with the proposed Arnos Vale
site about which B.W.I.A. has their firm
intentions up to now.
During the visit of the Delegation to
London, the opportunity was taken to
discuss the airfield of St. Vincent but we
were advised to await the trial landings
of the twin pioneer, which is of the past
as far as I am concerned. B.W.I.A. then
came back at this stage and decided that
it is their intention to consider the use
of 'Dakotas'. Following a suggestion by
D.C.A. that it would be possible to build
an airfield of some 4,000ft run-way to
accommodate a 'Heron', B.W.I.A.'s argu-
ment was that since it would take 4,000ft
run-way to accommodate the 'Heron', a
much smaller plane than the 'Dakota' it
would be just as wise to build an airfield
of 5,300ft run-way to accommodate the
Dakota at an increased cost.
To build an airfield to accommodate
the Dakota these were the figures as sug-
gested by Messrs. McKenzie, B.W.I.A.'s
consultants. It would cost $913,000 to
build a turf airfield at Arnos Vale to
accommodate the 'Dakota', and $1,256,000
for a paved run-way. This cost was in-
creased because of a likely gulley that
would have to be bridged. B.W.I.A.'s re-
presentative proposed that it might be
possible for the B.W.I.A. to provide the
sum of $246,000 to bridgethe gulley and

to fix the over-run if Government could
find $667,000 for the proposed run-way.
Well this matter was not decided on be-
cause these were only proposals put and
it was decided by B.W.I.A.'s representa-
tive and the Governor that this matter
should be discussed in London with all
the parties concerned.
You will well realise that funds avail-
able for constructions of an airfield for
St. Vincent and Dominica under present
'.D. & W. allocation, is much less than
150,000. It is highly impossible without
St. Vincent Government approaching the
Secretary of State, and Her Majesty's
Government, to find the necessary funds
to build an airfield to accommodate the
Dakota. More than that, this Govern-
ment has not been given any concrete
idea of whether the Dakota will be able
to fly in and out of Arnos Vale which is
the most important point, and up to now
I do not think this Government has
received any information as to whether
the B.W.I.A. has been able to convince
the Air Licensing Authority that they
can operate a downward take-off at
Arnos Vale field. So we arrive at two
points now:
(1) B.W.I.A. must tell us once and for
all what type of aircraft they are
definitely going to operate in St.
Vincent, and
(2) Whether this type of aircraft
would be able to fly in and out of
the proposed strip at Arnos Vale
With every measure of safety.
With that it is the duty of this Gov-
ernment to find out from Colonial Office
whether it is their intention to give us
additional funds or adequate funds to
meet the construction of such an airfield.
I must mention at the close of this de-
bate that Dominica is suffering from a
similar condition. The Ministers have
agreed that they would not accept any
airfield under the size of 6,000 ft run-way
and they have sent off that decision to
London. The Dominica Government has
also asked that if the sum is provided for
an airffield these additional amounts
should be added: $30,000 for buildings,
$37,000 for water and -lights, and $40,000

for excess roads. That is added to the
cost of some $860,000 that is proposed for
asphalting of the Dominica strip. These
figures for asphalting of that strip was
prepared by their consultants-$860,000
for an asphalt strip, $980,000 for a paved
strip. Now I understand also that Domi-
nica has sent on or is sending a delegate
to London to have a round table confer-
ence as proposed by Sir Errol DosSantos
to have some final 'discussions about
thier airfield.
You would notice that I have put in an
extra resolution that in case the funds
are not forthcoming and B.W.I.A. were
not prepared to state what type.of plane
they are prepared to operate in St. Vin-
cent, it would be necessary for this Gov-
ernment to approach some other airline
perhaps Pan American Airways, which
are being allowed to fly in Barbados per-
haps we too may be able to attract the
attention of that airline to provide a
service on such favourable terms as could
be negotiated. I feel that this Govern-
ment should once and for all get this
matter cleared. We have been jibbed
around by B.W.I.A. and then we are not
in a position to say whether British Gov-
ernment would provide the increased
funds necessary for the construction of
the now proposed type of air strip that
is necessary to accommodate the bigger
One line of.thought argued in London,
was that if the British Government
would have to subsidise B.W.I.A. to
operate a small service in St. Vincent it
might be just as well that we use
that subsidy in the repayment of a
loan that might give us the type of
airfield that could accommodate the type
of aircraft B.W.I.A. could operate in St.
Vincent without subsidy. But these
points cannot be pursued unless we have
the firm decision of B.W.I.A. on what
are their intentions. Thi?, Government
should press and if possible send a dele-
gate to London to discuss this matter at
a round table conference Colonial
Office, Her Majesty's Government,
B.O.A.C., B.W.I.A., and the Governor who
is at present in London. I look forward
to the support of this House in such an

important motion on which the financial
recovery of this country depends. I
thank you.
I-ION. R. E. BAYNES: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, it has always been
said that poverty is a crime. This morn-
ing we were debating on how are we go-
ing to find 20% to pay the small people
employed on the .day to day work of this
Government. This evening we are debat-
ing on how we are going to find a very
necessary sum in order to build a run-
way to take an air service. Here again
I might say it has always been said that
poverty is a crime. When we consider
the implication of cost, to some of us it
might appear to be fantastic. Accord-
ing to our last estimates here, to build a
run-way in St. Vincent it is going to be
in the vicinity of 230,000 to 300,000.
We have not got that kind of money.
We will never find that money from our
sinall estimates and if ever we develop
ourselves and over the next 10 years be-
come fairly prosperous, the cost of an
airfield at that time will be 3 or 4 times
the amount at the moment. Now we
must not overlook the fact that we have
to appeal to the British Government for
that money. But I must say this that
the British Government is not fair to
these smaller territories knowing the
financial implications and the present
economic standard of these territories
Now just a few months ago a survey
was made of the London airport and in
order to expand the London Airport to
meet the growing traffic it is estimated
that the cost will be 27,000,000, Per-
haps we have no gold or alluminium or
cobalt or anything that we can make a
profit from; but when you check, there
is a place in the middle east negotiating
with Britain for continuation of econo-
mic aid, perhaps the middle east means
more to Britain than we are, because we
are just a bunch of little chattels out
here and perhaps through the system of
this colonialism we are not bound to
have certain things. But it is time that
we start to realisee that every part of the
British Empire at some stage or the other
has made one of the greatest contribu-

tions to the Empire or to the status of the
Empire even as it is today. There was
a time when Guadeloupe at the Treaty
of Utretcht in 1863 in the Seven Years
War was exchanged for a big portion
of Canada. And that in itself tells you
that in those days when Guadeloupe was
exchanged for Canada, sugar in the West
Indies was king. We in these small is-
lands have made a valuable contribution
to the development of the United King-
dom, and since that time we have that
money invested we think it is. quite time
that we get a little out of it. It is a lot
of time. Now I think it is time to get
some interest back on it, and the British
Government should not really quibble
over giving us a few cents, to develop
There are a number of people who
would like to come to this island because
of the natural attraction which.the is-
land has to offer; but they cannot come
and every year we come here we make
the same noise and we get no further.
Now I listened very attentively to all the
points made by the Minister for Com-
munications and Works, and I still will
not lay all the blame to B.W.I.A. because
the British Government I must say is the
controlling factor of B.O.A.C. and
B.W.I.A. and everything. The British
Government is a socialist Government,
the B.O.A.C. is a socialised service and
the B.W.IA. is a subsidiary of the
B.O.A.C.' Now the whole crux of the mat-
ter is this: Under the first Development
and Welfare Act, the British Government
earmarked a sum of 150,000 to erect an
air field in both St. Vincent and Domi-
nica. Now that was several years ago.
Since then cost of material and labour
has risen out of proportion to the esti-
mates for building those strips-they
have told us that openly in the United
Kingdom when we were there-they are
not prepared to increase this sum. Now
what are we going to do with 75,000.
It is time that West Indians realise
what the position is and tell the British
Government how -we feel because our
patience is coming to an end. It is 14
years since we are trying to get this air
service and unless something is done to

place the true position before the Secre-
tary of State, we will still be sitting here
arguing and contending. Therefore I
will be very glad if the Minister for Com-
munications and Works would add a
further resolve to his motion: "And be
it further resolved that copy of this mo-
tion be forwarded to the Secretary of
State for the Colonies." I say that for
this particular reason: That at the Con-
ference held in Tobago the matter of
communications as it now exist in St.
Vincent and Dominica was discussed and
it was agreed that the Standing Federa-
tion Committee should make a very
strong resolution to be forwarded to H.M.
Government telling them or pointing out
to them the necessity for a service in
both of these territories, as a prerequisite
to the development of tourism. A repre-
sentative from Dominica was being sent
from that territory to discuss the matter
and it was hoped that this resolution
would reach U.K. at the same time when
that representative arrives there. If.
this debate or this resolution is to have
any force at all we should have it sent
to the Secretary of State as early as
possible pointing out to him how we feel
on this particular matter.
It is necessary also for us to decide
what type of service we would like to
have in St. Vincent, because Dominica at
the same time is blaring us for thinking
in terms of accepting what they call-we
call it a feeder service-some row boat
service or something of the kind. But
they are blaming us for accepting this
type of service, from this point of view
that they will be greatly handicapped if
they were to accept this type of service;
and the fact that when you accept this
kind of service there are a number of
people who will be denied the opportuni-
ty of passing through your island who
otherwise would have come back if they
had the opportunity to pass. There are
a lot of factors involved in the accept-
ance of a feeder service, e.g., if there
was a commerical service through to St.
Vincent, a tourist from New York would
pay the same rate to Grenada or Barba-
dos as they will pay to come to St. Vin-
cent. They will never have to jump off
the plane at Barbados and when they

look around and see what a lovely island
Barbados is compared to what they have
left behind in the U.S., they will never
imagine that there is an island by the
name of St. Vincent that is more attrac-
tive than Barbados. They would not be
tempted to come. Added to that factor
tourists never like to be inconvenienced
to jump off one plane and get on an-

We are fortunate in being able to get
Mr. Bradley Smith to convince the tour-
ists to the extent that they jump off at
Barbados and come her. Had it not
been for that we would never get the
number of people coming to this island
as have been coming for the past two
years. Those are some of the objections
to a feeder service. It is objectionable.
Perhaps in the absence of a service I
would say to let us have a feeder service;
but if we are to choose and if we are to
get'any place at all we must be unani-
mous with Dominica in their demands
for a service on the commercial planes.
It is no use our saying we want a feeder
service and Dominica saying that they
do not want a feeder service, we are not
going to get any place at all. This is an
age when West Indians must be in agree-
ment one with the other for the things
they need, whether it be in Trinidad or
Barbados or St. Vincent and since we see
the advantages to be derived if a com-
mercial service on the regular comnmer-
cial plane is implemented we should then
say we prefer to have this type of service
in preference to the feeder -type of ser-
vice. There will come a time after im-
plementing this type of service when we
would realise that that same feeder ser-
vice could never serve the purpose and
meet the amount of the growing traffic
in St. Vincent. We are thinking in
terms of today; but we have to think in
terms of 25 or 50 years hence. There
are some things which I agreed to 5 years
or 10 years ago and if you bring me here
and ask me to discuss those same points
which I agreed to I will openly and un-
hesitatingly tell you no. Those are some
of the factors which we have to take into
consideration when we are thinking in
terms of service,

In so far as finding suitable spots, so
long as we have the money I believe that
we could find run-ways. I have been to
Venezuela and I have seen their run-way.
It goes right down a decline and by the
time the plane runs off or about 1,000 ft.
the big one they are high up in the air.
When you go and look at Calder here and
you survey the place you will see that
you can start a run-way, grade the place
right up from Calder right down to the
end of Argyle to the sea and you can get
a run-way there. There are lots of places
all over this island. I am no expert and
a lot of us here are no experts. But if
you really go and notice the geographical
direction' in which the wind blows you
will find a lot of places here where run-
ways can be built. It is a question of
finding the money, and as I started out
by saying, 'It is a crime to be poor.' Be-
cause if we were not so poor we would
not have been here beseeching and beg-
ging and talking and things of the kind
to find money to build up a service. We
need a service here but we need also to
make very strong representation to H.M.
(Government and let them know that
175,000 cannot build a run-way. If they
are prepared to give us the money sure-
ly we would start to build the run-way
tomorrow, but the British Government
is not concerned whether we swim,
drown or starve and I think it is time
that we start to let them know how we
feel. It is the only way we can get any
MR. PRESIEINT: Honourable Members,
the Hon. last speaker has suggested an-
other resolve to the motion. Does the
Mover accept that.
HON. C. L. TANNIS: Oh, most certainly.
MR. PRESIDENT: There is no objection
to the amendment?
HON. C'. L. TENNIS: Yes.
HON. J. A. BAYNES: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I have listened
very attentively .on the question of an
airstrip for St. Vincent how it was start-
ed as outlined by the Honourable Minis-
ter for Communications and Works. To

me up to now I am at a loss. I call it
a British Cross-word puzzle because I
can only see one thing. Listening care-
fully to what the Minister has outlined
tells me that U.K. Government has
already played all their pack of cards
in endeavouring to bluff or to fool the
people of St. Vincent, and to me, I have
read in this resolve it was pointed out by
the Mover that the point for decision is
the type of aircraft that B.W.I.A. is sup-
posed to use in and out of St. Vincent.
Perhaps the resolve is all right in appear-
ance, but to me there is one point I
would like to have exploited and that. is
we have been tied in a grant given by
C.D. & W. from the mother country be-
tween St. Vincent and Dominica of a
150,000. That sum ties our destiny and
chances for ever acquiring an air strip.
In Dominica there is but one spot, where
they claim that the airfield could be
built. I went on that spot, examined it
myself and checking the objections set
up as outlined here by the Minister this
morning, there will be objection to that
spot. Well you can see that we are con-
fronted with this problem either that
British technicians cannot build an air
strip and we would be forced to invite
foreign technicians. That is what we
have before us today. The question of
being able to acquire permission from
Colonial Office to acquire Pan American
Airways, K.L.M. or even Air France.
I think that where we are now we are
like drowning people endeavouring to
catch the first straw. I do not care
what air strip or who create that strip
whether it is French English or Dutch,
I am talking in terms of St. Vincent. I
heard the Minister for Trade and Pro-
duction say that if we have to choose we
should choose a bigger air strip that will
take commercial. planes in preference
to a feeder service; but I would like to
remind him that there is a well-expressed
adage that 'beggars are not choosers'.
The U.K. Government know that too
well. We could not beg them on one
hand and choose on the other. It is that
if you are begging you are begging and
if you are endeavouring to choose then
you have to go out to do that. In the

circumstances, I feel that emphasis
should be laid on the possibility of invit-
ing Pan-American Airways in St. Vin-
cent. When you go back to compare the
destiny of French St. Martin with four
thousand people as its population, but
Air France goes in there. It touches
down at Antigua and goes into French
St. Martin. You go on the other side of
St. Martin and you have 7,000 people as
its population and there you have K.L.M.
flying in there all the time. It is a com-
mercial air port, and I do not believe
that St. Martin has any more favourable
sites where an air strip can be built than
St. Vincent. Therefore all the outlines
made by the Minister for Communica-
tions and Works are merely British
We know by now that B.W.I.A. is a
subsidiary of B.O.A.G. and you will notice
that the moment you get correspondence
from U.K. or Colonial Office, you get a
supporting letter from B.W.I.A. because
it is all one thing running around us
all the time. I believe that if you are
begging and they are endeavouring to
fool you and you have no hope of getting
what you are begging for, then I feel that
we should make them know at. this point
that we are aware that they are en-
deavouring to fool us; because it is not
the determination of Colonial Office to
assist in any way at all. A few weeks
ago when the twin pioneer came on a
trial flight, the Minister was asked to go
to British Guiana a week after. What
he went there for? To sign another
contract for a year with the British
Guiana Airways. But what kind of con-
tract? A fellow peeps in my hand and
sees that I have a better card than his,
he takes it away.
We are a people who are gradually
coming into our own in the Windward
Islands and this thing cannot fool us any
more. I feel as I said before that even
British Guiana Airways as operating in
St. Vincent if we examine them even
B.G.A. has some underneath connection
with the finance in the Colonial Office.
It only means that we are going round
and round in a circle; and what we have
before us today tells me that we want to

make demands for the invitation of a
foreign air line be it Pan American Air-
ways, K.L.M. or even Air France. To
continue this begging can only end in
fooling. Now, I don't' believe that is
what we want. What we want is to in-
vite or get permission to invite a foreign
airline so that we will know what our
true position is. They will either be
forced to rescueus or give us the lee-way
to scout on our own for what we want.
It is true-that we are under Grant in aid
or what not but this is not a time that
we should continue to beg. All that is
left to do is to call his bluff and let us
see how much national status he has.
HoN. A. B. DosSANTOS: Mr. President,
Hon. Members, I have listened to the
debate on the motion for an airfield. I
would agree with the first resolution,
but with the second I do not think I
would agree. To me it is an ultimatum
which really as a matter of fact would
be worth nothing. You are asking them
now to let you have money to build an
airway and in the same breath you are
telling them that if you do not get a
good answer from them well you will do
something else. Gentlemen it is this, if
in the event that you have to get another
air line, permission must be granted to
this colony whereby you will be able to
make arrangements with foreign airlines.
You won't be able to make arrangements
with foreign airlines until you get per-
mission. So therefore I think the second
resolution is really out of the question.
The third resolution I am fully in agree-
ment with also, that a copy of the first
resolution be sent to H.M. Government.
HON. L. C. LATHAM: Mr. President, I
think we have a very lively debate today.
I think the Opposition is raised now from
4 to 5 gradually coming up. I am very
proud of that, Mr. President, Honourable
Members. Now we had a very good out-
line here by the Minister on this air ser-
vice which is desperately needed for St.
Vincent but I have been studying it all
along. We have been living in the most
remote corner of the British Empire.
They do not know St. Vincent I believe.
Once in a while they look on the chart
or map they may happen to see a little

tiny dot and they may come around here
or send down to find out what is happen-
ing; but what I have seen the whole
thing as outlined by the Minister is only
tom-foolery. The last resolve here by the
Minister "Be it further resolved that fail-
ing an early and satisfactory arrange-
ment being made with B.W.I.A. an invi-
tation be extended to an American Air
Line operating in the area to open a
feeder service to St. Vincent on such
favourable terms as can be negotiated."
That is'forceful; but it won't work. The
whole island belongs to Her Majesty re-
gardless of who own this and who own
that, and sending them this very force-
ful resolve-the last resolve-wont' get
us any place. As we have been on the
dole for the last years we still have to
try and feed them with kid gloves, to see
if we can get the other 75,000. Because
as the Minister pointed out we only have
75,000, which cannot even pay a few
labourers. I do not know if the Minister
will erase that last resolve and it could
be' read thus: 'Be it further resolved
that application be sent as quickly as
possible to the Secretary of State for per-
mission to invite an American or other
foreign airline to St. Vincent," because
as I see it here we would not get any
place with that last resolve. On the
Opposition here I am desperately anxious
to see a good service operating in St.
Vincent, so that we may be able to build
up or boost up our economy. So Mr.
President I will leave it at that.
HON. S. E. SLATER: Mr. President Hon-
ourable Members, it would seem as
though I get a little bit of inspiration,
seeing everybody taking a shy at this
debate. I think it is most necessary and
since that is the case no language can be
too strong to be sent to the Secretary of
State or H.M. Government letting them
know how we feel in these parts. I have
heard the Honourable Member on my
left stating that the Opposition has in-
creased. I do not think I would like to
increase this Opposition. I prefer to
stick to the Opposition as it stands, be-
cause regardless of whether the Third
Nominated Member supports this motion
or not, it does not make any difference

because I saw him arguing against a mo-
tion, he did not support it and then he
voted for it. For that reason I believe
this motion must go as it stands, as force-
fully as possible.
HON. G. H. CHARLES: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I did not intend to
speak on this motion because the Minis-
ter took approximately one hour. I
think from the amount of paper that he
turned over it is fully time that each and
everyone of us be convinced; but I would
just like to speak as far as the resolve is
concerned. I see no danger in it, be-
cause I think, as my friend in the Opposi-
tion said, when the Government side
takes something here and word it like
that you should know that it has some
kind of background. Now the whole
thing is based on politics. Now I can
cite an example: Just a few years after
World War No. II, it was really thought
that the United Nations and Russia
would have clashed. It was only a cold
war. Now when you make your word-
ing so strong to say if they fail you, you
call in some other air service, you just
force their hand. I see no danger what-
soever in this resolve because just within
the next couple of months we will be
entering Federation, and if we do not try
to secure a proper air strip, where would
we find ourselves in the near future? So
as far as this resolve is concerned, I
think we should make it as forceful as
we can around this Table so that Colo-
nial Office could see that we are deter-
mined to have our airfield.

dent, Honourable Members, I have listen-
ed to two motions today to which I have
given my support, and I am going to give
my support to another; but I cannot
refrain from expressing my keen disap-
pointment that instead of always asking
for money somebody has not come for-
ward and suggested a means of raising
some of it among ourselves. It reminds
me of a dance tune to which we used to
dance about 25 years ago. The chorus
used to go: "I want some money, give
me some, give me some, give me some
more." I also think of the time when I

used to go to my mother and ask for
some money, and I could never believe
that she did not have any. I had been
to the bank with my father, and I had
seen him sign a cheque and obtain
money. It was as simple as that, I
thought. Now, I am not suggesting that
the people in this island are as simple
as I was at the age of 10 years; but I do
suggest to you that it is not a question
of bluff. We do not bluff in Great Bri-
tain. If the money is there Britain is
prepared to help others and she has
been doing it for many years, but has
ceased to expect anything so old fashion-
ed as gratitude.
A British economist and trade adviser
is at present in the island and at a meet-
ing held yesterday he explained Britain's
present economic position which he des-
cribed as being balanced as if on a tight
rope. Others have described it as being
balanced on a razor edge, and our re-
quests for financial assistance should
bear this in mind. If our approach is
made on the basis of our desperate need
as compared with other claims, I am
sure it will be well received. I do think
we have a very strong case, but to sug-
gest for one moment that there is plenty
there lf only we call their bluff is being
unrealistic. I think the tone in which
the request is made is wrong and we
would have a better reception if we ap-
proached the matter in a more sensible
way and not as I did at the age of ten
believing Mother had plenty.
HON. C. L. TANNIS: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I have listened
carefully to the debates on what is one
of the most important motions that will
affect the economy of this Island. If we
could not convince H.M. Government
that it is of urgent importance that we
have within the next two years a good
aircraft flying in and out of St. Vincent,
we could sit here year in year out, make
all kinds of laws, regulations and in re-
ductions of taxations, from one to the
next. All this would be of no avail un-
less we are prepared to face the hard
facts and realise that St. Vincent cannot
go forward without two things, the
first of which is air communications. I

feel that the motion as it stands with
the amendment suggested by the Minis-
ter for Trade and Production is in order,
and the words cannot be too strong to
bring before H.M. Government and the
B.W.I.A. the need for this vital service.
I shall be glad before the end of this
term or session of this Council to learn
that this Government had won the long
drawn out battle, and that we were in a
position to say to the people of St. Vin-
cent: "We are going to commence an
airfield to accommodate a larger plane to
fly in and out to link us with our
brothers and sisters in the federated
West Indies." Of late our hopes were
dashed and that is why I feel that we
should make our last and our greatest
effort, whatever the cost may be, to see
that we achieve a measure on which the
economy of this island so greatly de-
pends. I thank you.
MR. PRESIDENT: Honourable Members,
there is a motion before the House the
j motion standing in the name of the
Minister for Communications and Works.
Those in favour of the motion as

HoN. A. B. DosSANToS:
there are three motions,
are we taking now?

May I ask Sir,
which motion

MR. PRESIDENT: The motion is com-
plete in itself with three resolves. The
third resolve was suggested by the Min-
ister for Trade and Production and ac-
cepted by the Mover.
HON. A. C. CYRUS: In other words, sir,
the Third Nominated Member's sugges-
tion or amendment is not accepted.
MR. PRESIDENr: It was not accepted
by the Mover, and I am afraid the mo-
tion will have to remain as it stands.
If he had moved an amendment and it
had been seconded or had been accepted
by the Mover, it could have been debated.
It was not seconded or accepted so we
have the motion as it stands containing
three resolves, the third suggested and
moved by the Minister for Trade and Pro-
duction and accepted by the Mover.
The motion as amended was carried.

The following Bills were introduced
and read a first time:
The Public Assistance Bill.
The Police (Amendment) Bill.
The Local Government (Amend-
ment) Bill
HoN. G. H. CHARLES: Mr. President,
Honorable Members, I beg to move that
a Bill for an Ordinance further to amend
the Local Government Ordinance, 1951
be read a second time.
second the motion.
Question put and agreed.
Bill read a second time.
HON. C. L. TANNIS: Mr. President Hon-
ourable Members, This bill is most neces-
sary and should have been in this House
since early last year, but unfortunately
it was delayed until now. Of course it is
the deadline on which the new district
election which might take place before
the e id of this year depends. Under
this system without this amendment per-
sons in districts such as Bequia were
called upon to exercise four votes. I
think at this stage of our constitutional
advancement a person has a right to
exercise only one vote and not this num-
ber of four votes to elect a candidate to
represent them on any district council
or tov n board. I am pleased to see that
this i.otion although long-delayed has
at lart come to this House for second
readirg and I hope that the Governor
and t'he Queen's assent will be given to
this Fill as early as possible because up
to now we have not heard whether it is
neces: ary according to the terms of the
Local Government Ordinance to have an
election of the Bequia District Council
next month or in December, so I would
ask that if the bill goes through the
stage: of this House that an early assent
be asked for this Bill.

Under this present system the island
would be divided up into wards just as
it is in the Legislature and each district
would have the right to exercise one
vote. This we believe is necessary in the
island of Bequia and I think this amend-
ment would remedy that situation.
HON. R. E. BAYNES: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I did not get up to
oppose the idea of dividing these places
into districts, and I don't' believe that we
in these islands are yet ripe for voting
over the whole island. This particular
view is a very advanced view which is
being considered on a world-wide basis.
Now taking for example in an advanced
form of constitution where you appoint
a Minister to your Government and that
Minister might be appointed by one
particular territory and that same Min-
ister over the whole island which be-
comes his territory now has to advocate
its development and things of the kind.
When the time comes again for that Min-
ister to be really elected you call, ask a
few people in an isolated group of terri-
tories to elect that same Minister. Now
under our Federal constitution, when you
are really going to appoint or elect two
federal officers to serve St. Vincent we
could not by any stretch of imagination
divide St. Vincent into two and say that
the Leeward side must appoint one dele-
gate and the Windward side appoint one
delegate. The whole island would have
to appoint the two delegates.
In Sweden it is the practice now that
the whole of the Swedish Government
exercise the right of voting for all the
people who are elected to their house.
And with the advanced constitution I
Think it is a matter that should be given
very serious thought, because while it
might work unfavourably in some cases
I can assure you it work favourably in
others. I am not here to oppose it, but I
would like to explain what is taking
place and what is being seriously con-
sidered in other parts of the world.

HON. H.. F. YOUNG: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I think this is
quite in order. Where you get local Gov-
ernment like Bequia or any of these

small towns, especially Bequia having a
port on one side and another port on
the other side,,the form of dividing into
wards is most appropriate. It develops
an incentive for the guy on one side of
the island to feel and take particular in-
terest in that particular district. While
if you have four men from Port Elizabeth
you can Well see that by virtue of not
living over there, therd is the tendency to
take the same amount of money that is
given for the whole island and spend it
on one plaee. This is quite in order. All
the municipalities in Trinidad and all
around, the wards develop incentive and
a little competition and by that competi-
tion you get your whole island seen
about. For instance, if you want, sir, we
can leave Layou as it is. I mean the
Governor in Council. This is purely for
Bequia but not necessarily so. If the
other towns want to accept it, let them.
The other point here is about being a
Minister over the whole island. He must
remember this that the Minister is voted
by the men whom the people voted for.
and that is where you get democracy.
When the eight of us come in here we
then represent 8 constituencies and
then that member of that constituency
by virtue of the votes that the people
Votedfor him in turn vote the Minister.
Sb:in ,turni that is democracy because
you do biot haye 76,000 people coming
arould-the table. So in truth and in
fact it is fromairmy vote and the other
man's vote who represent a section of
the cortlmmnity that- puts the Minister
and when he swihns odr the whole is-
Japd he 'does so by virtue of our vote
since we are voted the people. It is
_rit alright. ? ,4

sHaunnrablerenitemes24y W4o t believe
itha i re.j.:sh hdlbeany coi .ptitoq; in
Tthat thr.youwt eprc. aalwa*a,felt
qiggy-xeptathie Itbar)P9agdsap;e divided
Alto waeTe theerxadllerfg ni Ltlre
and .iflhr faljy ii~ptp he esdo
nothing. Next election he has the brass
IEi usl iou:touairote ~himi again-k If
heWihs -;r~esentingi a -ectioni:of-:the
twriis Spmtected:; -t is 3l4fa#tWi
sftrdso t wastnapotosioapaquesptotau rok e

Minister. The Minister is elected from
the House. In a federal election by no
stretch of imagination could they think
of dividing the island into two wards
whereby you have one part supporting
one candidate and the other part sup-
porting another candidate. The actual
votes that you vote to put two represen-
tatives on the federal council should
come. from the entire island. There
could be no gainsaying that that is the
best method to ge the votes from the
island as a whole. In the town boards
it is an entirely different thing.
HON. L. C. LATHAM: A point abkut the
same voting and town boards. I see all
About towns, what happen to the village
councils? Maybe you will make another
amendment for village councils because
we all fall under the same category on
the same, list on what you call adult
suffrage or franchise. Maybe you have
to make another amendment for village
councils. Speaking on voting it is sur-
prising to know that general elections
is near and the people are going to the
polls blind from 1951 ever since adult
franchise came into being. This Govern-
ment is so poor on the dole, we have
to do our begging and they just provide
as much school accommodation for 62%
according to the report circulated some
time ago and that other 38% is worth-
less roaming all over the street. Those
same people the number of whom is in-
creasing dajly, are eligible to vote.
Ma. PRESIDmNT: I do not quite follow
if the Honourable Member is debating
the bill.
HON. L. C. LATHAM: No, no it is the
same voting. These people go to vote
and spoil all the votes wasting paper and
that kind of thing. I think a different
system of voting should be introduced
for the next general election. Town
boards too they- all fall under .the same
category as general elections, so I think
,a different system, should be introduced,
-.:--,.:PEs...T:-t -1 would, just like to
add-.torthe debate two points showing the
history of. this. bill.; The: first covers a
Ruomisee gveien by 4he uoase-tp 4the Hqn-
ourable Member forvJorth Xeeward some

ime ago that this change would be
nade wi'h regard to the proportion of
,i-i Nominated element. The second
)oint is small and was brought out by
,he Minister, that is that when Bequia
)is rict Couacil was set up there was a
Committee which sat to decide on recom-
nendations for it, and it considered all
;he problems. It made recommenda-
;ions of vaiious kinds and included in
thesee recommendations was one that the
lis;rict be divided into wards. The
ov -n Board agreed to it and Executive
Council accepted the recommendation.
Bu: it was left out of the draft bill by
Council mox ed into Committee.
Council resumed.
Bill reported without amendment and
report adopted.
Bill read a third time by title and

The Income Tax (Amendment) Bill.

dent, Hon. Members, I beg to move that
a bill for an ordinance to amend the
Income Tax Ordinance 1956 be read a
second time.

second the motion.
Question put and agreed.
Bill read a second time.
Council moved into Committee.
Council resumed.
Bill reported with one amendment and
report adopted.
Bill read a third time by title and

The Animals (Control of Experiments)
honour to. move that a Bill for an Ordi-
nance to control experiments on living
animals be read a secQnd time.

HON. R. E. BAYNES: I beg to second
the motion.
Question put and agreed.
Bill read a second time.
Council moved into Committee.
Council resumed.
Bill reported without amendment and
report adopted.
Bill read a third time by title and
Report on Meeting of Standing Federa-
tion Committee.
HON. H. F. YOUNG: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I think it is my
duty to give you a very short report on
my trip to Trinidad. The constitution
which was unfinished was dealt with.
All temporary accommodations for Fed-
eration were approved by the Standing
Federation Committee. They haLe de-
cided to use for the offices, the White
Hall which the Trinidad Government has
kindly given free of rent. The Royal
Victoria Institute is to be the Parlia-
ment; but the opening of Parliament
will take place in the Red House. The
flag presented by Mr. Byron of Dominica
on principle was decided on but had to
be referred back to a technical flag officer
or flag maker to be presented to the
Standing Federation Committee at its
next meeting. The crest was approved
with two pelicans with a torch and a
crown holding it up and under the crest
were the words "To dwell together in
Unity". Shipping was dealt with because
as we were rightly discussing today about
this air service, in order for this Federa-
tion to be effective, inter-island communi-
cations especially in the form of trade
between these 'islands must be very vital
and a delegation is going up to Canada
to see about getting ships from the Cana-
dian Government. The Conference said
that the Canadian Government is offer-
ing aid in the form of a Colombo plan
and if they can get it in the form of
shipping well they will be better off.

The question of if you are a Member
of Council and you want to run for
Federal Elections was discussed and we
have shortened the time from 3 months
to 3 weeks because we figured that it
would be unfair to the people of the
region if a man ran for Federal Parlia-
ment and then go into the Capital hav-
ing selected the Prime Minister and pro-
bably did not get a port-folio to come
back and resign. The Standing Federa-
tion Committee has decided to make it
21 days in which to make up your mind;
but the federal parliament will not be
called until a month so therefore if
you win you resign and go to your Fed-
eral Parliament, with no expectation of
coming into your local House.
The Capital Site was a very ticklish
one. I personally representing this is-
land with no strings from this Executive
Council did not favour Chaguramas and
expressed it, from the point of view of
its military use to the region, from the
point of the employment it offers to
nearly 1000 West Indians and from an-
other angle-the protection, being a new
nation and we need funds, I figure that
the base, with a good naval policy, the
friendship of the United States would be
of vital use to us especially with the
Panama Canal being so near. Neverthe-
less, democracy, it was put to the vote
and we lost 10-2. Montserrat and myself
did not support it. But this was a press
"That the Standing Federation Com-
mittee after visiting several areas com-
pleted their consideration of the report
of the Capital Site sub-committee.
They reached the conclusion that by
far the most suitable site for the Fed-
eral Capital was the North-west penin-
sular of Trinidad. They have there-
fore asked H.M. Government to request
the U.S. authorities to receive a dele-
gation for discussing it and arranging
for the possible surrender of the North
west peninsular for the site of the
Federal Capital."
The U.K. Government is to get in touch
with the U.S. Government to see if they
can get Chaguramas which the U.S. Gov-
ernment has on a 99 years' lease. So

therefore it is a question of negotiation.
I have here a map of Trinidad which
show you tentatively the spot. There
were other financial arrangements about
salary, etc., and I could tell you a whole
lot more; but that in brief is the main
Another big issue I took up in Trinidad
which I believe is very vital for St. Vin-
cent is the question of the shipping of
pigs back to Trinidad, and I can assure
you that the connection there is very
good. They have promised and they are
working on the ordinance there now to
amend it so that our pigs could start
going back to Trinidad. As you all know
that is a boon to our peasants and quite
a sizeable revenue used to be had from
Federal elections is fixed for the 25th
of March and the opening of Parliament
the 27th April. And it is emphasised
that these smaller territories be given
the right to decide in Executive Council
whether tley want to have one constitu-
ency or whether they want two separate
ones. The constitution has given each
unit the right to decide how they want
their area cut up. And that is left to
us to decide.
HON. L. C. LATHAM: On a point of
correction, how you want the area cut
up for what?
HON. H. F. YOUNG: What I was saying
is that the constitution of the Federal
constitution has given the unit govern-
ments the right to decide how they want
their areas. Well you see for instance.
Jamaica has 17 seats and you must have
different constituencies in a place like
Jamaica with 17 seats. And maybe
Trinidad with 10, then you have Barba-
dos with 5 but when you come down to
these smaller units with two, it is quite
easy for us to have one constituency; so
they have given Jamaica the right to
divide and have their boundaries for
their 17 seats of the Jamaica Govern-
ment and they have still given us the
right if we want to make two conIit u-
encies or if we want to make one. But
I personally figure in a small area it will
be a great thing to have one corlltiu-

ency with two votes so that when you
truly go on the Federal Parliament you
have to represent throughout the island
and people have the option of seeing the
representative and refusing or accepting.
But it is; not for me to decide it is for
the Governor in Council. Gentlemen,
that is in brief, what took place.
The next meeting is to take place in
October. The Governor General was
supposed to arrive in September, but be-
cause of the question of living conditions
of the present Governor in Trinidad,
Standing Federation Committee has
made recommendations that the Gover-
nor General should come in January
next year instead. The reason for that
is that the Governor General is going to
live in the Governor's residence in Trini-
dad. The Trinidad Government is going
to build a new Government House and
in the interim, the present Governor will
go over to Tobago and reside there.
They did not want him to stay too long
in Tobago, so they have asked the Gov-
ernor General not to come in September
but in January, which will give the pres-
ent Governor of Trinidad a shorter stay
in Tobago. Everything is set now and
the only thing left to be done is the
political point of it to set the machine
into operation. The Standing Federa-
tion Committee becomes the interim
Government until such time as we go to
the polls and I might say this when we
go to the polls that we should all support
two good men with their feet on the
soil for the benefit of St. Vincent.
HON. R. E. BAYNES: Mr. President,
Hon. Members, having listened to the
Honourable Member for South Leeward,
I think it is my duty at the same time to
refer to this House the result of the last
conference which took place in Trinidad
and which I attended as the Island's
delegate. That conference had two
items on its agenda for discussion. One
was the question of rice which was de-
ferred and the other was the question of
the Free Trade Area in Europe.
Well this question of the Free Trade
Area in Europe is a matter of grave con-
cern to West Indian Governments. In

Europe there are 7 territories which
have formed themselves into a group
called the 'Messina Group' and among
themselves have formed a Customs
Union. With them would be 6ther coun-
tries of Europe joining in what we term
a 'Free Trade Area'. When the agree-
ment was proposed it was not the inten-
tion of the Metropolitan Government of
Europe to join in such an agreement
with they overseas dependent territories,
for the particular reason that some of
the items involved were at opposite
poles; e.g. most of these territories which
joined the Free Trade Area are highly
industriaiised anu while most of the
overseas dependent territories of the
Metropolitan Government are not indus-
trialised but produce mainly raw ma-
terials and agricultural products. The
moment that aspect was introduced into
the agreement and I believe agitated by
France, Denmark and Turkey; France on
behalf of her territories, Turkey because
of the fact that they are not industri-
alised, and Denmark at the same time
because they too are agricultural terri-
The -moment that aspect was intro-
duced, it created quite.a lot of difficulties
in that the British Government was
forced to ask her territories whether they
would be prepared to join in.. The Bri-
tish Government having asked their
territories to join in you have on one
hand places like Hong icng that would
benefit from joining in with U.K. on the
Free Trade Area. But against Hong
Kong you have a number of other places
like Ceylon, B.W.I. and other parts' of
Africa, that would materially suffer if
they accept this Free Trade Area. Now
the reason why they are bound to suffer
is this that at the mo -ent the British
Government is giving .o all territories
concessions on what you produce and the
moment we become a party to this Free
Trade Area, it means that other terri-
tories will enjoy the same privileges that
we enjoy in the U.K. Market. You too
will enjoy the same privileges but when
you compare the buying powers with the
U.K. you have more to lose in exchange.
Whether we join it or not, the area will

be handicapped. United Kingdom, ac-
cording to figures sells 12% of the pro-
duce, and to the rest of the territories it
means thatif she did not become a party
to this Free Trade Area, there will be a
and so it means that she will
have to seek markets elsewhere. If the
U.K. say that we must go into this area,
it will haye to be done because if not we
will have to pay higher duties for pro-
ducts such as arrowroot, citrus fruits, etc.
Well the West Indies feel that the only
thing to do is to have a delegation in
London to press for a reduction of the
duty which the Free Trade Area is likely
1o impose. That is all we can hope to
have. If we join in we will be at a dis-
advantage and if not, we will still be at
a disadvantage.' We are hoping that
when Federation shall become a reality
we will get assistance both from Canada
and the United Kingdom. We would
have to watch the result of the Free
Trade Area and we would like to get the
best possible terms under this Free Trade
At a Conference of Ministers held in
Tobago,, the question of Agricultural
Credit in the West Indies, by which
assistance could be made available for
Agricultural development, was discussed,
and it is hoped that the matter will be
discussed again at some later stage.
Most important was, the item regard-
ing the securities of the E.W.I. Currency
Board. These securities are in the re-
gion of $66.000,000 and are invested in
the U.K. and it is hoped to introduce an
ordinance by which if we could get cer-
tain percentage, we would be
Jamaica will press for 60% of securities,
of Government currency and we would
press for. 50% of currency; but that
brings me to a very technical financial
aspect. We have quite a lot of money
which is being invested abroad, money
from several sources. One source is
money accruing from saving banks in St.
Vincent--miMons of dollars irtested ill
other countries rather than in the West
Tndies. Added to this factor is the quest>
tion of banks and insurance cromianies

from outside the area. These companies
collect monies from this area and mil-
lions of dollars are taken and invested in
other countries. That is a matter to be
tackled, and a means found whereby
that money can be invested back in the
West Indies. It is time that we start to
think in terms of West Indian Develop-
ment, for most of the time we want
money and do not know where to find it.
HON. S. E. SLATER: Mr. President Hon-
ourable Members, I believe I must draw
the attention of this House to this ma-
ter. Considering that very little time is
left, I would like to mention that in
Chateaubelair there is dire need for a
district nurse. I would like this House
to cooperate and assist either by having
placed in the 1958 estimates, an addition-
al nurse to assist the present district
nurse and so ease the situation. There
is a nurse but the hospital is always filled
out. Places like Richmond and Rose
Bank, when at night a lot of work is on,
the hospital is filled out, outside they are
clamouring for her, so I am asking this
House to assist by placing a district nurse
who will go around when the nurse is
engaged at the hospital.
Another point is the inconvenience
brought on speculators. For the past
month the Agricultural Department was
out of serum for injecting animals
brought to them to be exported. It is
very hard on persons from distances
who bring their animals to Kingstown
and are told that there is no serum.
They have no where to put them only
perhaps a back yard, their capital is
limited, and when it is time for them to
be shipped the animals are wasi ed away.
I am asking this' Government to see if
they can get some serum because it is
about a month since they are out of it.

HON. R. E. BAYNES: You could have
come to me and we would have cabled
to some other place and got it.

HON. 8. E. SLATER: I saw Mr. Kirby
and I thought you knew about it.

Adjourned 5.15 p.m.

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