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Publication Date: October 13, 1959
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357


SAINT VINCENT


GOVERNMENT GAZETTE


Vublished Lb luthorilg.


VoL. 92.] SAINT VINCENT, TUESDAY, 13 OCTOBER, 1959.


[No. 54.


GOVERNMENT NOTICES.


No. 315.
HURRICANE NOTICE.
It is hereby notified for general information that in the event of a hurricane
-threatening or approaching the Island, the following warnings will be given:-


KINGSTOWN (1)



(2)
(3)


-RURAL AREAS (1)


(2)
28th July, 1958.
(W. 15/1958 (B).)


CAUTIONARY
A red flag with a black
rectangular centre will be
flown on Police Head-
quarters.
Loud Speaker and Radio
announcements.
Three saluting guns will
be fired.

A red flag with a black
rectangular centre will be
flown from Police Sta-
tions.
Loud Speaker and Radio
announcements.


TAKE COVER
(1) Two red flags with black
rectangular centres one
above the other will be
flown on Police Head-
quarters.
(2) Church Bells will ring
for 5 minutes.
(3) Cotton Ginnery whistle
will blow for 5 minutes.
(4) The Siren will blow for
5 minutes.
(1) Two red flags with black
rectangular centres will
be flown from Police
Stations.
(2) Church Bells will ring
for 5 minutes.


No. 442.


APPOINTMENT.


No. 443.
PRE-RESIGNATION LEAVE.


His Honour the Administrator has Miss MERLE DAISLEY, Class I Clerk,
been pleased to approve the ap- Department of Agriculture, has been
pointment of Mr. GEORGE B. WALCOTT, granted 111 days' vacation leave with
as a Surveyor Draughtsman, Lands and effect from 31st August, 1959, prior to
Survey Department, with effect from resignation from the General Clerical
1st July, 1959. Service.
13th October, 1959. 13th October, 1959.
*(P.F. 832.) (P.F. 498.)


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358 SAINT VINCENT, TUESDAY, 13 OCTOBER, 1959.-(No. 54.)


No. 444.
RESIGNATION

Miss EILEEN HAYNES, Class III
Clerk, Registry, has resigned from the
General Clerical Service as at 20th
September, 1959.
13th October, 1959.
(P.F. 903.)

No. 445.
Miss AGNETTA MITCHELL, Class III
Clerk, Labour Department, has re-
signed from the General Clerical Ser-
vice as at 2nd October, 1959.
13th October, 1959.
(P.F. 875.)

No. 446.


VACATION LEAVE.

Mr. DAVID KING, Chief Mechanic,
Public Works Department, has been
granted three months' vacation leave
with effect from 8th October, 1959.
13th October, 1959.
(P.F. 535.)

No. 447.
ST. VINCENT CANE FARMERS'
ASSOCIATION.

DISSOLVING OF THE TEMPORARY
COMMITTEE OF MANAGEMENT.

In accordance with Section 26, sub-
section (4) of the Cane Farmers' Asso-
ciation Ordinance 1957 (No. 13 of
1957), the Governer in Council has dis-
solved the Temporary Committee of
Management of the St. Vincent Cane
Farmers' Association and approves of
the constitution of the Central Commit-
tee of Management elected according to
Section 9 of the Ordinance.
13th October, 1959.

No. 448.
GOVERNMENT NOMINEES.

In accordance with Section 10, sub-
section (a) (1) of the Cane Farmers'
Association Ordinance, 1957 (No. 13 of
1957), the Governor in Council has ap-
proved of the following persons to be
Government Nominees on the Central
Committee of Management of the St.
Vincent Cane Farmers' Association for
a period of two years with effect from
the 10th October, 1959.
HUGH S. McCoNNIE-Superintendent
of Agriculture.
ELON C. CAMPBELL-Cane Farming
Officer.
13th October, 1959.


Firewood
Gasolene and Kerosene
Mutton


per cord.
per gallon.
per pound.


CONDITIONS OF CONTRACT.
1. The contract to be from 1st Jan-
uary to 31st December, 1960.
2. The Contractor undertakes to de-
liver at his own expense into the Stores
of Institutions the articles placed oppo-
site his name at the price stated, on
such days, at such times, and in such
quantities as may be stated on the re-
quisitions of the Head of Department.
or Officer in Charge.
3. Firewood for the Extension Hos-
pital, Montrose, Leper Asylum, Fort
Charlotte, Mental Hospital, Villa, and
Pauper Asylum, Glen, to be delivered.
stacked at the respective places named.
4. Every article supplied must be
of a sound, good quality and no article-
is to be substituted for the one requisi-
tioned for without the consent of the-
requisitioning officer first obtained.
5. Any articles considered by the
Head of Department or Officer in.


No. 449.
TENDERS FOR GOVERNMENT
SUPPLIES.

MISCELLANEOUS SUPPLIES.

Sealed Tenders will be received until
3 o'clock on Saturday, 31st October,
1959, for the supply to Government for
the period 1st January to 31st Decem-
ber, 1960, of such quantities of the un-
dermentioned articles as may be daily
or otherwise required for the use of any
Government Department.
Tenders are to be addressed to the
Chairman, Tenders Board, Administra-
tion Building, and distinctly marked on
the envelope "Tender for Supplies to
Government Institutions etc." Printed
forms will be issued on application at
Government Office.
Any delivery charges should be
stated on the tender separate from the
actual price of the commodity.
The Government does,not bind itself
to accept the lowest or any tender, and
reserves the power of accepting any
part of a tender.
Nothing in any contract which may
be entered into will be considered as
affecting the right of the Government
to import at any time any articles it
may require notwithstanding such sup-
ply is contracted for locally.
The attention of parties tendering is
particularly directed to the "conditions.
of the contract" inserted at the end of
this notice which will be binding to.
them.
Beef, fresh with and
without. bone n~r o-u..n 1














SAINT VINCENT, TUESDAY, 13 OCTOBER, 1959.-(No. 54.) 31


charge to be of inferior quality may be
rejected by him, and shall be imme-
diately removed and replaced by the
Contractor at his own expense, without
any allowance being made to him for
such articles.
6. If the rejected articles are not
removed within 9 hours from the time
notice shall have been given to the Con-
tractor, they will be returned to, and at
the expense of the Contractor; pro-
vided that if the Contractor gives such
explanation as may be satisfactory to
the Administrator, the expense of such
return shall not be charged.
7. Should the Contractor neglect or
refuse to replace rejected articles or to
supply any of the articles contracted
for at the times stated in the requisi-
tions, the Head of Department or Offi-
cer in charge, shall be at liberty to pur-
chase the said articles from other per-
sons and the difference between the
price paid for such articles and the
contract price shall be deducted from
the next payment made to the Contrac-
tor.
8. The Head of Department or Offi-
cer in charge may, if he should deem
it necessary, purchase articles of per-
ishable food such as bread, meat, etc., at
once to replace rejected articles.
9. All fresh meat contracted for
must be slaughtered in the Slaughter-
house, in Kingstown.
10. If the Contractor should persist
in such irregularities as stated in para-
graph 7, the Administrator shall have
.the power to terminate the contract
immediately or at such time as may ap-
pear to him proper and convenient.
11. The Contract may be terminated
at any time by one month's notice being
given either by the Contractor to the
Administrator or by the Administrator
to the Contractor.
13th October, 1959.

No. 450.
TENDERS FOR MILK.

Tenders are hereby invited, and will
be received up to 3.00 p.m. on Saturday,
31st October, 1959, for the supply of
fresh whole milk to the following Gov-
ernment Institutions for the year
1960:-
Colonial Hospital, Kingstown (in-
cluding Extension Hospital),
Nurses' Hostel, Montrose,
Lewis Punnett Home for the Aged
Poor, Glen,
Leper Asylum, Fort Charlotte,
Mental Hospital, Calliaqua.


2. The average
will be:-
Colonial Hospital
Nurses' Hostel..
Lewis Punnett
Home
Leper Asylum ..
Mental Hospital


daily requirements

294 Imperial pints
30

32 ,
8 ,
46


3. The milk must contain not less
than 3 per cent of fats and 81/ per
cent of non-fatty solids and is to be
delivered in good condition at the In-
stitution concerned. The contract will
be terminable by three months' notice
on either side.
4. Tenders are to be addressed to
the Chairman, Tenders Board, Fin-
ancial Secretary's Office, and the en-
velopes are to be marked "Tender for
Milk".
5. Any delivery charge should be
stated on the Tender separate from the
actual price of the commodity.
13th October, 1959.
(W. 22/1944 II.)

No. 451.
TENDERS FOR THE SUPPLY OF UNIFORMS
FOR GOVERNMENT MESSENGERS.

Tenders are invited for supplying
and making khaki uniforms for Gov-
I ernment male Messengers for the period
1st January to 31st December, 1960.
2. The khaki used must be of the
same shade and texture for each uni-
form, and samples should be submitted
with the tender.
3. The number of messengers is 24
and two uniforms consisting of long
trousers and short sleeved shirts with
two flap pockets and shoulder straps
will be required in each case.
4. Tenders, which will be received
up to 3 p.m. on Saturday, 31st October,
1959 must be sealed and addressed to
the Chairman of the Tenders Board,
Financial Secretary's Office, Adminis-
tration Building, Kingstown, and dis-
tinctly marked on the envelope, "Ten-
der for the supply of Uniforms for Gov-
ernment Messengers".
5. The Government does not bind
itself to accept the lowest or any ten-
der.
13th October, 1959.
(A. 7/1951 (A).)

No. 452.
MOTOR CAR SERVICE.

Sealed Tenders are invited for the
provision of motor cars for the convey-
ance of public officers during 1960.
The Tenders submitted should con-
tain particulars of the charges proposed













360 SAINT VINCENT, TUESDAY, 13 OCTOBER, 1959.-(No. 54.)


to be made for waiting. Rates sub-
mitted should not exceed those con-
tained in Statutory Rules and Orders
No. 15 of 1947.
The contract will be terminable by
one month's notice on either side, and
the person to whom the contract is
awarded will be required to enter into
a bond with Government for the satis-
factory performance of the contract.
Tenders close at 3 p.m. on Saturday,
31st October, 1959, and should be ad-
dressed to the Chairman, Tenders
Board, Financial Secretary's Office,
Kingstown, and distinctly marked on
the envelope "Tenders for Motor Car
Service".
Government does not bind itself to
accept the lowest or any tender.
13th October, 1959.
(P. 21/1944.)

No. 453.
VACANT POST.

POST OF VETERINARY ASSISTANT,
AGRICULTURAL DEPARTMENT,
ST. VINCENT.

Applications are invited for appoint-
ment to the non-pensionable post of
Veterinary Assistant, Department of
Agriculture, St. Vincent, for a period
of 4 years in the first instance.
The salary of the post is at the rate
of $1,104 per annum in the scale of
$1,104 x $72-$1,392 plus 20% pay ad-
dition. No travelling allowance is pay-
able, and quarters are not provided.
The appointment will be subject to
medical fitness, and the officer will be
governed by Colonial Regulations, Gen-
eral Orders and Financial and Store
Rules which may from time to time be
in force in the Colony. The appoint-
ment is terminable by one month's
notice in writing on either side.
The officer will receive his instruc-
tions from the Veterinary Officer to
whom he will be responsible for the
satisfactory performance of his duties
which will include clerical work, accom-
panying the Veterinary Officer on field
trips and assistance with the clinical
examination of animals, meat inspec-
tion, post mortems, laboratory work as
directed by the Veterinary Officer and
any connected duties which from time
to time he may be called upon to per-
form.
Candidates should hold the Cam-
bridge School Certificate, and Credit in
scientific subjects will be advantageous.
Applications should be in the candi-
date's own handwriting and must give
full particulars of the applicant. Two
testimonials must accompany each ap-
plication which should be addressed to


the Assistant Administrator and Es-
tablishment Officer, Government Office,
and should reach him not later than
31st October, 1959.
Applicants who do not possess the
School Certificate need not apply as
their applications will not be consid-
ered.
13th October, 1959.
(B. 7 (1959 (A).)

No. 454.
LEGISLATION.

The Right Honourable the Secretary
of State for the Colonies has notified
that Her Majesty the QUEEN will not
be advised to exercise her power of dis-
allowance in respect of the following
Ordinance of this Government:-
No. 1 of 1959.-An Ordinance fur-
ther to amend the Customs Duties
Ordinance, Cap. 184.
(F. 28/1948 II.)
13th October, 1959.

No. 455.
The Undermentioned Ordinance which
has been assented to by the Acting Gov-
ernor is published with this issue of the
Gazette:-
No. 6 of 1959.-An Ordinance fur-
ther to amend the Kingstown
Board Ordinance.
(J. 9/59/1940.)
13th October, 1959.

No. 456.
SUPPLEMENT TO GAZETTE.

Copies of the Legislative Council
Proceedings and Debates (Hansard) in
the Third Session (1956-57) held on
12th October, 1956, which may be seen
at Government Office, the Kingstown
Library, and at all Revenue Offices, are
published with this issue of the
Gazette.
13th October, 1959.

No. 457.
Copies of the Minutes of the Meeting
of the Legislative Council held on the
3rd September, 1959, which may be
seen at Government Office, the Kings-
town Library and at all Revenue
Offices, are published with this issue of
the Gazette.
13th October, 1959.

No. 458.
The Balance Sheet of the St. Vincent
Co-operative Bank for the period ended
31st January, 1959, is published with
this issue of the Gazette.
13th October, 1959.













SAINT VINCENT, TUESDAY, 13 OCTOBER, 1959.-(No. 54.) 3l


No. 459.
REPORT AND RECOMMENDATIONS
FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF
ST. VINCENT.

It is notified for general information
that copies of the Report and Recom-
mendations for the Development of St.
Vincent by a Team of Experts, follow-
ing its visit in November, 1957, are now
available at Government Office at a
price of $2.00 per copy.
13th October, 1959.
(P. 8/1956.)



No. 460.
MAPS OF ST. VINCENT.

It is hereby notified for public infor-
mation that the Lands and Surveys De-
partment has just received coloured
prints of the Map of St. Vincent com-
piled by the Directorate of Overseas
Surveys.
These prints, obtainable in north or
south sections, are for sale at 85 cents
each.
29th September, 1959.

By Order,

O. E. LEIGERTWOOD,
Acting Government Secretary.

GOVERNMENT OFFICE,
13th October, 1959.




DEPARTMENTAL AND
OTHER NOTICES.


MEDICAL REGISTRATION NOTICES.

REGISTRATION OF MEDICAL
PRACTITIONER.

The following name has this day been
added to the Medical Register:-
THORNTON INNES PALMER, L.M.S.S.A.,
London, 1939.

O. E. LEIGERTWOOD,
Acting Medical Registrar.
8th October, 1959.
(M. 30/1939.)


MIDWIVES.

The undermentioned person has this
day been duly registered as a Midwife:

Medical Name Residence.
District

I. CAMBRIDGE, Kingstown.
Annette,

F. G. THOMAS,
Acting Medical Registrar.
16th September, 1959.

The undermentioned person has this
day been duly registered as a Midwife:

Medical Name Residence
District

IV. HUSBANDS, Lowmans
Violet A. (Wd.)

O. E. LEIGERTWOOD,
Acting Medical Registrar.
17th September, 1959.
(M. 9/1959.)

DRUGGISTS.

The undermentioned persons have
this day been re-registered as Drug-
gists:-
John Albert Edward Prince of Meso-
potamia,
Samuel Alexander Davy of Kings-
town,
Robert Alexander Clouden of Calli-
aqua.
O. E. LEIGERTWOOD,
Acting Medical Registrar.
3rd October, 1959.
(M. 7/1959.)

DRUGGIST'S ASSISTANT.

The undermentioned has this day
been registered as a Druggist's Assist-
ant.

Medical Name Residence.
District

PROVIDENCE, Kingstown.
I. Duncan Alex-
ander.
O. E. LEIGERTWOOD,
Acting Medical Registrar.
3rd October, 1959.













362 SAINT VINCENT, TUESDAY, 13 OCTOBER, 1959.-(No. 54,)


MEDICAL NOTICE.

It is hereby notified for general in-
formation that Messrs. E. A. Commis-
siong and J. A. Ferdinand are no
longer Collectors of Arrears of Hospi-
tal Fees. The authorised collectors are
now:-
Mr. James F. Findlay, Head Teach-
er, Georgetown School, Georgetown.
Mr. Samuel Cunningham, Public
Health Inspector, Bequia; and
Mr. Cornelius Anderson, Merchant,
Kingstown.
The lists for collection are extended
to include the year 1958 and previous
years.
All concerned are asked to co-operate
and pay their hospital dues, long out-
standing in most cases, to the Collectors.
It is hoped that there will be no neces-
sity to prosecute defaulters.

Dated this 5th day of October, 1959.

K. J. E. McMILLAN,
Acting Senior Medical Officer.


MAINTENANCE OFFICER (ELEC-
TRICAL INSTALLATIONS).

Applications are invited for the post
of Maintenance Officer, Public Works
Department. The post is pensionable
and in the salary scale $1,104 x $72-
$1,680 plus 20% pensionable addition.
A maximum of five years experience in
a responsible position is required.
Transport Allowance is not payable but
transport is supplied for official duty.
The question of paying a Transport
Allowance is now being reviewed. Fur-
ther information is available from the
Superintendent of Works, Kingstown.
Applicants should bring their writ-
ten applications and testimonials to the
Superintendent of Works on the morn-
ing of Friday 23rd October, 1959.

T. M. BRERETON,
Acting Superintendent of Works.
10th October, 1959.


LIQUOR LICENCE NOTICE.

All licensed dealers in the sale of
intoxicating liquors are hereby re-
minded that they should apply to the
Chairman of the Liquor Licensing
Board for a renewal of their licences
before the usual annual Liquor
Licensing sessionn which will be held


in the various Parishes during the
month of December, 1959.
2. Late applications are subject to
a late. fee. Dealers will therefore save
this fee if they apply for the renewal
of their licences before the Annual
Licensing Session is held.
3. Applications for new certificates
under the Liquor Licences Ordinance
should reach the Magistrates' Office,
Kingstown, not later than 3.00 p.m. on
Saturday the 21st day of November,
1959.


L. G. E. K.


LEWIS,
Magistrate.


Magistrates' Office,
Kingstown,
10th October, 1959.


TREASURY DEPARTMENT.


LAND AND HOUSE TAX NOTICE.

It is hereby notified that Land and
House Tax in respect of the current
year will be received without fine at the
Inland Revenue Department, Kings-
town, and District Revenue Offices at
Georgetown, Barrouallie and Union
Island during the period Ist November
to 31st December, 1959, d at Sandy
Bay, Colonarie, Biabou, Mesopotamia,
Layou and Chateaubelair on the dates
hereunder:-
Sandy Bay On Monday 23rd
November, and 14th December.
Colonarie-On Thursday 5th, 12th,
19th, 26th November, and 3rd,
10th, 17th December.
Biabou-On Tuesday 1st, 8th, 15th,
29th December.
Mesopotamia-On Friday 13th, 20th,
27th November, and 4th, 11th and
18th December.
Layou-On Monday 9th, Thursday
19th and 26th November, and on
Monday 7th and Thursday 17th;
also 21st and 24th December.
Chateaubelair-On Friday 6th, Tues-
day 10th and Friday 13th Novem-
ber, and on Tuesday 8th, 15th and
22nd December.

MOULTON V. WILLIAMS,
Acting Accountdhnt General.

Treasury Chambers,
1Kifgstowin,
St. Vincent,
22nd September, 1959.













SAINT VINCENT, TUESDAY, 13 OCTOBER, 1959.-(No. 54.)


INLAND REVENUE DEPARTMENT.


INCOME TAX BRANCH.


Notice is hereby given that the undermentioned persons having become
defaulters under the INCOME TAX ORDINANCE, their properties having
been levied upon will be offered for Sale at 1.30 p.m. on Saturday, 31st October,
1959, at the Income Tax Office, Inland Revenue Department, Kingstown, for
the recovery of Taxes due.
MOULTON V. WILLIAMS,
Acting Accountant-General.

Treasury Chambers,
Kingstown,
6th October, 1959.


Name of Owner
or Occupier

Graham, Joshua
Henry, Joseph P.
Woods, Gladstone
Chambers, Eric
Radix, Alban
John, James
Charles, George H.
Gamble, Edgar


Situation of
Property

Lowmans Wd.
Georgetown
Richland Park
Kingstown
Ratho Mill
Kingstown
Arnos Vale
Buccament


Description-of
Property

Bus-H.T. 928
1 House "
Bus-H.T. 1215
Car-P. 381
Car-P. 134.
Car-P. 516
Truck-T. 88
Car-P. 506


ST. VINCENT BANANA GROWERS ASSOCIATION.


Notice is hereby given that the Interim Board will hold meetings of growers
at the undermentioned places according to the schedule set out below for the
purpose of re-establishing District Branches which will elect Management Com-
mittees and appoint Delegates and Nominees to attend the Annual General
Meeting of the Association to be held later this year.

All Meetings will commence at 4.00 p.m.


October 11th
October 18th
October 25th
October 26th
November 1st
November 6th
November 8th
November 15th
November 22nd
November 29th
December 5th


Georgetown
Troumaca
South Rivers
Kingstown
Spring Village
Vermont
Lowmans
Biabou
Barrouallie
Layou
Mesopotamia


Georgetown Government School
Troumaca Government School
South Rivers Methodist School
Memorial Hall
Spring Methodist School
The Society Lodge
Lowmans Buying Station
The Society Lodge
.The Town Hall
Layou Government School
Mesopotamia Government
School


F. E. WILLIAMS,
Secretary/Manager.


5th October, 1959.


3631,






364 SAINT VINCENT, TUESDAY, 13 OCTOBER, 1959.-(No. 54.)


SAINT VINCENT
IN THE SUPREME COURT OF
THE WINDWARD ISLANDS AND
LEEWARD ISLANDS
A.D. 1958

Suit No. 62.


SAINT VINCENT

IN THE SUPREME COURT OF
THE WINDWARD ISLANDS AND
LEEWARD ISLANDS

(DIVORCE JURISDICTION)

(A.D. 1958)

Suit No. 1.

Between

MARIE LOUISE WILLIAMS
Petitioner
and
PATRICK WILLIAMS
Respondent

NOTICE is hereby given that on
Saturday the 17th day of October, 1959,
between the hours of 12 o'clock noon
and 3.00 p.m. there will be put up for
sale at the Court House in Kingstown
the undermentioned goods and chattels
the property of the above-named
respondent, PATRICK WILLIAMS
levied upon by virtue of a writ of seiz-
ure and sale issued in the above suit:-

One house, sides boarded, and the
roof covered with galvanised iron,
situated at Sans Souci.
Dated this 22nd day of September,
1959.
H. M. SQUIRES,
Registrar Supreme Court.


PRINTED BY THE GOVERNMENT PRINTER AT THE GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE,
KINGSTOWN, ST. VINdEXT.


[ Price 30 cents. 1


1959.


Between
ST. VINCENT BANANA GROWERS
ASSOCIATION
Plaintiff
and
.SAMUEL ORMOND JACK
Defendant

NOTICE is hereby given that on
Saturday the 17th day of October, 1959,
between the hours of 12 o'clock noon
and 3.00 p.m. there will be put up for
sale at the Court House in Kingstown
the undermentioned goods and chattels
the property of the above-named de-
fendant, SAMUEL ORMOND JACK,
levied upon by virtue of a writ of seiz-
ure and sale issued in the above suit:-
One Morris Oxford Car P. 440
One dining table:
Two small tables
Five chairs
One basin stand
One wagonette
One wooden safe
One Fairbanks Scale and three
weights of 200, 100, and 50 lbs.
respectively.
Dated this 22nd day of September,
1959.
H. M. SQUIRES,
Registrar, Supreme Court.








HANSARD.

PROCEEDINGS AND DEBATES IN THE THIRD SESSION (1956-57) OF THE
LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL, COLONY OF ST. VINCENT,
BRITISH WEST INDIES.


2nd Sitting Thursday, 12th October, 1956.


The Honourable Legislative Council met at 10 o'clock this morni

PRAYERS

[MR. PRESIDENT in the Chair]

PRESENT:
he Honourable B. F DIAS, Crown Attorney, C
S. B. R. THOMAS, Financial Secretary,
S J. A. BAYNES, Member for St. George,
S. R. E. BAYNES, Member for Kingstown (Minister
Production),
G. H. CHARLES, Member for Central Windward
Social Services).
. A. C. CYRUS, Second Nominated Member,
. E. T. JOSHUA, Member for North Windward,
S. S. E; SLATER, Member for North Leeward,
. C. L. TANNIS, Member for the Grenadines, (Min
munications and Works),
S H. F. YOUNG, Member for South Leeward,
S L. C. LATHAM, Member for South Windward,
A. B. C. DOSSANTOS, Third Nominated Member.


(Minister for


sister for Com-


ABSENT:
The Honourable E. A. C. HUGHES, First Nominated Member (On leave of absence).


ADDRESS BY THE PRESIDENT
PRESIDENT: Honourable Members of
Council, I am gald to see that there is
no rigid custom for the Administrator's
address to this House introducing a Bud-
get, because it would have been difficult
for me to have followed such a custom
in introducing a Budget in October.
There has been, of course, a practice of
surveying the year that has passed, and
of pointing out the particular significant
points of the Budget that is placed be-


fore the House. This year, to go over
the events of 1955 would, in many ways,
be a stale history; and to deal with
matters of 1956 would be to anticipate
what will be said in the House in intro-
ducing the 1957 Budget; and I propose
therefore to be brief this morning.
The House will understand that this
address is in another respect unusual in
that although the Ministerial System
has been in operation for six months
now, this is in fact the last Budget Ad-








dress of the old system. It is, as it has
always been in the past, a personal re-
view by the Administrator; but in future
years I am sure that the Budget Address
will much more be a formal statement
of Government's views, and of Govern-
ment's policy; it will not be merely a
personal message from the Administra-
tor, but will be a statement of what the
St. Vincent Government, the St. Vincent
Executive Council of the financial situa-
tion, and what are its economic plans.
I draw the House's attention to the
notes on activities and working of Gov-
ernment Departments for the year 1955
which have been printed and laid before
Members. I would point out particularly
that these notes were, as is the normal
practise, drawn up and completed in the
month of January, and they have not
been altered or added to in any way to
bring them up to the date of this Budget
Address to which they are now a supple-
ment.
Let me now turn for a moment to the
history of the Budget which is before
the House. As Honourable Members will
remember, Finance Committee wrestled
with our finances for a full week in Sep-
tember, 1955, and the Budget that was
then.produced was sent to the Governor
for forwarding to the Secretary of State
for the Colonies. In January the Secre-
tary of State replied stating what the
Grant-in-aid for 1956 would be, and giv-
ing certain directions for changes to be
made in the Budget and making other
suggestions. These directions and sug-
gestions were examined by Finance Com-
mittee in February and were not found
acceptable by the Unofficial Members,
and a letter of protest was therefore
drawn up by these Members setting forth
their views, and making a number of
counter proposals for balancing the Bud-
get. There then intervened a long
period of waiting, and it is only now that
the House is able to consider a final Bud-
get based on what the Secretary of State
replied at the end of August, and on the
consideration given by Executive Coun-
cil and Finance Committee to that reply.
There have been undoubted disadvan-
tages in the long delay which has oc-


curred in bringing this Budget to finality.
There have been many uncertainties, cau-
tion in spending has been necessary, and
planning has been difficult; embarrass-
ment has been caused to the newly ap-
pointed Ministers, the Administrator has
had to take the responsibility of autho-
rising much expenditure merely in the
hope that he would finally obtain cover-
ing approval from Finance Committee
and the Secretary of State; and a great
amount of additional work has been
caused for those in the Treasury and in
Departments responsible for the day-tor
day work of accounting. But equally,
there have been undoubted advantages
in the full and frank exchanges which
have taken place between London and
Kingstown; and the principle upon
which the Secretary of State works in
dealing with grant aid in St. Vincent
has emerged much more clearly than
before. He has indicated his full ac-
ceptance of the view that, with the ex-
ception of any points of principle, once
the Grant-in-Aid has been decided upon
for the year and notified to St. Vincent,
it is for the St. Vincent Government to
work out the details of the Budget and
to put it into effect.
This Budget, therefore has been in
preparation for 12 months, and I trust
that after so long a period of gestation
it will prove a healthy infant.
I now draw the House's attention to
one or two of the silent points contain-
ed in it. Local Revenue which was col-
lected by the end of 1955 amounted, to
two million, four hundred and sixty
thousand dollars; this compares with the
estimate of local Revenue for 1956 con-
tained in this Budget which is two mil-
lion, three hundred and sixty thousand
dollars. In addition, the Grant-in-Aid
for 1955 was four hundred and fifty-five
thousand dollars, compared with the
Grant-in-Aid for 1956 contained in this
Budget which is six hundred and sixty-
five thousand dollars.
Turning to Expenditure, I draw the
House's attention to the following points
in particular--
First, Special Road Services. There is
an increase in the provision in this vote








from $11,000 in 1955 to $32,000 in 1956. I
know that Ministers, and the House as
a whole, feel that even this increase is
not nearly enough for the needs of the
roads of St. Vincent; but it does at least
show that the St. Vincent Government
and Finance Committee have battled not
unsuccessfully to find more funds for
this exceedingly important work, and we
trust that the increase under this Head
will continue.
The Customs and Excise are to be re-
organised in accordance with the wishes
of Honourable Members and provision is
made accordingly.
A new post of Inspector of Schools, a
post in which Honourable Members have
taken great interest in the past, is now
included.
There are two small items-two com-
paratively small items-which I should
like to note, because they are matters
which Honourable Members have thought
of particular importance. One is an in-
crease in the Public Assistance vote by
$3,000; and the other an increase on the
Small Town Boards and Councils of
$1,000 which is a token of the interest
which Honourable Members and the St.
Vincent Government take in the develop-
ment of local government.
Then, as the House only too well re-
members, Hurricane "Janet" struck the
Southern Grenadines just over a year
ago, and the seas which followed in her
wake also did considerable damage on
the island of St. Vincent. Damage to
public Buildings alone was then esti-
mated at $135,000. A large amount of
re-construction was done before the end
of 1955, but I draw the House's atten-
tion once again to the various provisions
in this Budget for continuing and com-
pleting the work of reconstruction of
public damage, and in particular to the
item of $40,000 for assisting the people
of the Southern Grenadines to re-build
their houses.
I think it well for me to mention at
this time the question of the Develop-
ment Programme. A Revised Develop-
ment Programme to fit the reduced


Grant which was notified for St. Vincent
was drawn up in the course of 1955, and
was in fact one of the first matters
which I as Administrator had to discuss
with Finance Committee on my arrival.
That Programme was further discussed
and was finally re-drafted and passed by
Executive Council and Finance Commit-
tee when His Excellency was here last
January. It has been submitted to the
Secretary of State, and a large number
of the items which it contains have al-
ready been approved. I do not propose
in introducing this 1956 Budget to go
into the details of what has so far been
achieved for our new development
period, as I forsee that such a report
will be part of the Budget Address for
1956, which' I hope lies not too far ahead
of us.
I intend now to look back very briefly
over the year 1955 as a background to the
1956 Budget. During most of the year
Mr. Kelsick was acting as Administra-
tor, and he did so with great skill and
energy, and St. Vincent must be grateful
to him for all the efforts he made. As
I have said to the House, they will find
detailed reports of the work of the vari-
ous Departments in the addendum to
this Address now laid before them, but
I draw particular attention to one or
two points. First of all it is always
good to see actual buildings going up,
to see progress in stone and cement;
and during that year the Public Works
Department finished the building of
the Richland Park School, a fine type
of edifice; the new Argyle Bridge was
completed and opened; the Ministerial
Block was started, and finished early in
the new year; and there was also the
work of reconstructing the Administra-
tion Building to meet the needs of the
New System, and the completion of the
Vigie highway reconstruction.
Under the Medical Department four
programmes are continuing which are
of particular importance; I refer to the
campaign which started in March, 1955,
to eradicate the mosquito which is the
victor of Yellow Fever-the Aedes
Egypti Mosquito. This is a Scheme
where the World Health Organisation







produced the materials and advice and
supervision, and St. Vincent, with aid
from Development Funds paid the sal-
aries, maintenance and other adminis-
trative costs.
Then there is the Anti-Yaws Cam-
paign which has been so vigorously con-
ducted by Dr. C'ordice. Here again, St.
Vincent with Development money is
paying for the administartion and the
salaries. The World Health Organisa-
tion produces technical advice, and
supervision, and UNICEF produces the
materials, transport, equipment and
certain of the drugs. That Scheme
started in November, 1955.
There is also the Milk Scheme which
having started in June, 1954, finished
in June this year, and has been of
great advantage not only to the pres-
ent, but also to the future health of the
young citizens of St. Vincent; and I am
glad to say that arrangement have now
been made for it to continue. Supplies
have been received from UNICEF, and
the St. Vincent Government pays for
the administration of the Scheme.
Fourthly, we have the Anti-Whooping
Cough and Lock-Jaw Campaign with
which by intensive inoculation the
Medical Department are dealing with
two diseases which particularly attack
young children in St. Vincent. Funds
for this also have been provided from
Development sources.
Two very important Commissions sat
during the year 1955; I refer, of course,
to the Jolly Report on the Sugar Indus-
try of St. Vincent, and the Malone Re-
port on Agricultural Wages. Both these
Reports have been published and in
particular, the implementation of the
wage recommendations of the Malone
Report has had a most marked and im-
portant effect on the economy of the
Island.
I referred earlier to this Budget as
an Infant. It is an old British tradi-
tion, enshrined in the pages of "Punch",
to portray the annual Budget as a
sauawling infant. The history of this
Budget has been a stormy one, and I
present it now to the House as an


Orphan of the Storm-as that not highly
popular, but very British production, a
compromise. It contains a not unrealis-
tic apportionment of the funds that we
have been able to lay our hands on, the
funds from local Revenue, and funds
from the Grant-in-Aid given to us by
United Kingdom Government, between
the various crying needs of St. Vincent.
It is not the Budget which the House
would like to see, it is not the ideal
Budget anywhere that come up to that
standard. I believe that given the funds
that have been made available we have
made a just and reasonable distribution
of them to the various tasks and as such
I present it to the House.
PRESIDENT: I believe in the past years
it has been the custom to adjourn briefly
after the President's Address, but I do
not think it is necessary this year after
a brief address and I propose therefore
that we proceed to Item 3 on the Agenda.

REPLIES TO PRESIDENT'S ADDRESS
HON. E. T. JOSHUA: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I fain have
thought that this House has viewed the
question of the 1956 Budget, belated as
it is, in such a manner. I fain think
that our plan now reaches the border of
totalitarian plan and what is laid down
here is accepted lock, stock and barrel
and needs no reply.
I was waiting on my colleagues, the
Government, the Government that was
formed, Ministerial responsibility, and
here we have the same stereotyped
formula and the Administrator reading
a Budget speech and apologising there-
for. We thought that in this ministerial
setup, we would have had our estimates
in June instead of October but we notice
these changes and we view them quite
seriously in the light of what we should
accept as constitutional changes for this
island.
The question of a Budget Speech and
replies therefore at such a date covers a
wide range. It covers a wide range in
that this is a time when Councillors can
have a chance to show to this House the
shortcomings of the Government. Where








they have erred, what was placed before right, and a delegation was proposed to
us, what they have told us about Trea- go to London to- discuss the Estimates
sury Control and the rest. I am pre- once and for all, and the manner in
pared to deal with certain aspects on the dealing with items on the agenda of
whole affair. the Estimates to the Secretary of State
It is said that when we invite the pub for the Colonies. Those who howled
lic to assemble here, making reserved m'i-s- in doing that became Ministers
seats for them to listen, not a panegyric, and as soon as that had happened, this
not to a dirge, but to the country's voice of 'putting-to-right' ceased and an
budget in which we had hoped that re- ominous silence prevailed the place of
sponsibie government, functioning as the Finance Committee. It kept us as
such, the Secretary of State would have if we had retired in our winter quarters,
regarded that government in that the we hibernated, and out of the blue the
dealing itself with the Budget for 195, Secretary of State perhaps knows what
shows that there is somewhere callous is setup here. They kept quiet and that
indifference in dealing with the affairs a little backward Estimate on the shelf
of this colony of the Colonial Office until such time
they holla for it and show t:hem how it
The Administrator's address, it is is. "You little boys in a backward out-
briefly outlined here, the cause for the ptst of he Empire sme'ld keep still and
delay of the 1i56 Budget. A Budget that be satisfied with whatever is veing done."
came on the ,lake of a Ministerial Gov- That's the way.
ermnent. Mr. President, Honourable Members,
This Ministerial Government of course this community view the attitude of the
came at a time when there was no re- present Administration, part of your
sponsible Party into power answerable to Government, with a very critical eye, in
it. It came on the threes of a so-called that, despite the fact that a Ministerial
election, that out.of the blue Minis- Government would have meant a change,
ters were set up at such an election and not a retrogression, not a backward
sucb Ministers were answerable to the step but a for-ward s'tp, with a scintilla
Administration and not to the people or of respect from the Colonial Office to-
to the Elected Government of the House. ward this Colony, we have seen nothing
We saw the great danger, we saw already of the kind. We have seen by the atti-
the failure of such a Government in that tude of the 1956 Budget that the mis-
it would have a tendency to be dicta- takes and errors that were pointed out
trial; it would have a tendency to be in having a Ministerial Government
civil servants as far as the Ministerial without a proper election was the case
side of it is concerned; it would have that we have to face now. It is reflected
a tendency to be answerable merely to even in our estimates and our Budget for
the Treasury's funds and not to the this year.
people of St. Vincent. All those things It is that we might be attaching too
now reflect. It is ugly here in the 1956
now reflect. It is ugly here in the 1956 much blame to those who are Ministers.
Budget of the Colony. Because it is impossible for a Ministerial
The question of this delay of the Bud- Government to function in any civilised
get so ably explained in succint form in British Colony without it being answer-
the address of His Honour, President of able to the Legislative Council or to the
this House. but I would have this to say people of St. Vincent. Such a Govern-
in examining it. Before Ministers held ment in all democratic land, taking
were set up in this Colony, many of Westminister as the basis for all Minis-
those who are now Ministers held the trial Governments, is answerable not to
view that things as presented by the, the Cabinet merely, but to the people of
Secretary of State for the Colonies wvereCtEngland and we have had, if we say ft5-t
not right and that they threw their is not a mockery, a pattern of constitu-
weight then to have those things put tional Ministerial Government and alas







we find that such a pattern of Minis-
terial Government, as far as we can see,
is answerable to the Ministers and to the
Administrator and not to the people of
the colony.
For instance, the funds as voted and
as was read in this pamphlet of an ad-
dress, stating that the revenue was two
million odd. That revenue is the out-
come of taxes, excise, etc. of the Colony's
funds, pooled together here to cause it to
be spent adequately and proportionately
throughout the island. It would take a
levelheaded Government to make con-
tentment in whatever is to be spent.
It is the policy, now since we cannot
balance our budget due to the increase
overhead administration, due to many
Departments of Government being ex-
panded and while our country's finances
with the few Estates who keep things
going there was no substantial increase
in the industrialisation of this country,
though we talk it on paper. We talk of
industrialisation plans and all the what-
not, Utopian Schemes and the rest, but
nothing was done apart from the few
Arrowroot and Sugar Estates going with-
out increased production while there was
increased population. While they were
called upon to spend more in that the
Departments of the Administration keep
ever expanding and after a while this
Colony is called upon to bear it. We
now see the reason, the definite reason,
for increased Treasury Control or Trea-
sury Control at all-a perpetual Treasury
Control will go on as long as this state
of affairs remain and as long as a pat-
tern of a Government still remains as
it is in this country.
The question now arises, that after the
setting up of this Ministerial Govern-
ment in St. Vincent, we say no appreci-
able change in the working of the Ad-
ministration. We only know that there
were Ministers. We also knew that
these Ministers have no power. We also
knew that they had no money to spend.
We also knew that the Secretary of
State for the Colonies were ever more
firmly entrenched in the saddle in that
we have a pattern of a discontented
people in the island.
We have gone so far as to set up a


Ministry of Education, for example. That
Ministry of Education made no provi-
sion for the discontent of the teachers or
teaching in the Colony. All they based
their hypothesis on was that there was
no funds. Things were limited. Our
purchasing power was limited and since
those things were so, well, it was neces-
sary therefore to keep on the same old
pace, dodging the teachers here, playing
hide and seek there, playing coop there.
The result was as we have seen it, there
is that position reached whereas elastic
according to the laws of physic, if you
stretch it beyond a point it will burst
asunder, teachers had to go on strike.
Some call it a sympathy strike. It was
ridiculous to call it so in any Depart-
ment of this Government. Because for
years, for years, there was a vexed ques-
tion in this country of the teachers.
There was also a question of salary
grousing; there was also a long delay;
there were also promises and these pro-
mises were never fulfilled or kept by the
Government whether it was Ministers or
who, they never kept and so it came to a
crisis. It came to a crisis during a week
or so ago. That crisis has always been
debated in this Legislative Council.
We made or the honest Councillors
here made all effort to convince this
Honourable House that it was necessary
to attend to the educational disabilities
without success. There was always no
money to institute a system of compul-
sory education; there was no money to
allow even those for whom education
was provided to attend the schools by
getting prefects to see that they have
gone there. But if they had even done
so because they had provided for 62%
of the children of the colony while the
other 38, well then, God help them!
Which that 62% of the children still
when we check the average attendance
of the schools we find that only 60% of
those again have attended school ac-
cording to the. average attendance from
the various schools in the colony. That
shows that even a Quashie form of com-
pulsory education to command those
for whom space in the school was
made to attend school, that was
not even done. Hence, we found the








reason for that. Even from the fact that
the schools cannot be made compulsory
and the children all made to attend
school, even because of that, we see that
the 62% for whom education is provided
cannot enforce that that 62% attend
school because it would still need ever
so much schools to house those for whom
we profess we had made provision for.
The educational disability in the pri-
ary stage or even the secondary stage is
undesirable. Some Parliamentarian at
Westminster suggests that the British
Government had a right to vote a sum
of money commensurate with the back-
ward nature and undeveloped nature of
these islands and so right these islands
put them on their feet preparatory to
entering a West Indian Federation.
That was ruled. That suggestion which
was a very important suggestion was
ruled out. And of course no state can
thrive on ignorance and indifference. If
we are aiming at a West Indian nation
as we harp so glibly, it must be a nation
built on education. When we speak of
education we are not speaking of the few
places provided for a few secondary
children we are speaking of the child
population of the whole colony, educa-
tion place provided therefore so that each
child may learn the three Rs and be able
to sign his name and read in the ortho-
dox tongue of his fathers. That is what
we call education but that is not so here.
We are getting from bad'to worse in that
we have seen definitely that if a firm
stand is not taken by this community, if
a firm stand is not taken by the honest
Members of this house elected here,
chaos would result in this Government.
Because it is quite clear, obviosuly clear
that one Member of this House once
called for a Commission.
It was pointed out by the First Nomi-
nated Member of this House, absent to-
day, an important day, that we cannot
have Government by Commission. If,
Honourable Gentlemen, we were to take
the situation seriously enough we would
need a Commission of Enquiry for every
act done in this colony by our present
Government. Government by Commis-
sion he says. When a Government func-


tions and have a tendency to be tyranni-
cal or despotic then if that Government
functions thus and we still insist to call
it democratic, well then we must resort
to bringing the public apart from us so
that we can have a Commission of En-
quiry into the acts for which under
democracy we were voted here by the
wills of the people.
The education system of the country
begin to deteriorate around the period
of the Administrator, His Honour Wil-
liam Bain Gray. Surprisingly enough,
His Honour William Bain Gray was a
double Doctor, Doctor of Philosophy,
Doctor of Science and a Director of Edu-
cation of British Guiana. The teachers
thought in this colony that such a man
was just the man they were looking for. I
say no. He looks from his exalted, olym-
pian, educational heights at us as just
a backward, little few and if in British
Guiana twice the teachers struck under
him what would he think of us here
having only fallacious hopes? I was not
wrong. I was more right than wrong.
From that period of time so many years
ago, we have seen the educational super-
structure of our colony toppling over.
And of course even today the picture is
comparatively worse.
It has been worsened because it was
the policy of this House over a long
period to ignore every motion, to show
callous indifference to every educational
motion that was discussed in this Hon-
ourable House. What you expect there-
fore from that? Because men are suffi-
ciently in numbers to vote, because -men
in the Executive Council and can form
their own policy without recourse to
this House, the educational disability in
this country is just what it is and will
not improve so long as the present policy
of the present Government and adminis-
tration remains the same.
We must of course look at a sorry posi-
tion. If everything is measured in terms
of pounds, shillings and pence, if we
know that the teachers have asked for
a status, if we know that intelligence
and intellect are the light of the nation
and without which we cannot hope to be
a state, a civilised state, it is necessary
therefore that we not merely right the








salaries for which there is definitely a
grouse to live, it is being demanded and
it is a grouse to live-it is being placed to
the teachers but we should also set out
now to see about the schools, their ade-
quacy. We.boast that a little more than
quarter a million dollars on the average
per annum is dedicated to education.
When it works out it works out so much
per head.
We note also the secondary cases, we
know that there are many children who
yet should have had a secondary educa-
tion but the means to provide such, an
education is non-existent. So far for the
educational debate this morning. So .:ar
for the educational disabilities.
We also notice labour. Two proud re-
ports, as had been stated here, the Jolly
Report into the Sugar Industry of St.
Vincent, the Malone Report on Agricul-
tural Wages. The question of labour
without a well defined Ministry of La-
bour, in a country as St. Vincent, is like
a ship without a rudder. When we con-
sider the fact that this country, is essen-
tially an agricultural country, when we
consider that the greeted bulk of the
population are labourers, whether you
call them skilled or unskilled they are
labourers and a margin of officials, mar-
gin of clerks who still are labourers
because they labour in the fields of en-
deavour, these types of labourers all were
discussed but none were discussed but
the Sugar and Agricultural Workers in
these Reports.
The Administrator in an address this
morning has made it quite clear that
these Reports were published and so on
but what's the good of publishing Re-
ports? What's the good of putting on
the press and setting the types for print-
ing Reports and to establish them about
the colony and beyond the seas when the
tenets and fundamental principles of
those Reports are being ignored?
The question is, it is better that we
save the paper on which it is typed and
print a 7Hansard for this lHouse so that
we can see what was discussed here. Be-
cause after to-day gallery being filled,
visitors and interested parties in the
affairs but perhaps for the next month


the chairs may be abjectly empty with
about two or three persons here. It is
well that you placed us at a Legislative
Council by a vote. We understand very
well what that means. That vote of
several citizens coming together and con-
ferring on a son of a citizen the welfare
to seek his rights here.
We should do it honestly toward those
people. Or if we did not do it honestly
and well your presence is sometimes de-
manded here at every statutory meeting
of the Legislative Council to see your
Government in action. Then you can
formulate your own opinion, you can
formulate your own ideas as to the use
you make of your franchise when you
select men and place them in this House
to seek the welfare of the colony, not as
a part, not as some Ministers make boast
in open public, Members of the Execu-
tive Council "You see so and so can't get
anything for his constituency, we have
made that so." Those things in public
that's to tell you an incompetent Govern-
ment who make any MembBr thereof
make such statements in the open public,
in public meetings of this colony. It
shows partiality, it shows a tendency
that if a government is entrusted with
the welfare of a country to divide ad
valorem or pro rata the funds of this
colony for the purpose of protecting a
state as a whole and for years one part
of that colony was not touched and for
Ministers without portfolio or with port-
folios to make public statements "You
see the reason why so and so can't get
anything for his constituency," that is
not complimentary for a Government to
behave like that.
It is true that it might be from in-
experience, inexperience of what govern-
ment is. I wouldn't directly put it as
children playing with fire but sometimes
they take fire and call it larbell lights,
the metamorphosis we see at night.
The question is, Honourable Members
of this House a government that takes
the pattern of the government of West-
minsi er cannot expect to run ill-will,
spites, divisions, decisions and scoffs on
parts of the colony that form the colony








of St. Vincent as a whole. Statesmen,
no matter what is the case, stand up to
opposition.
In the House of Commons, during the
debate on the canal, the Suez Canal, you
would have thought that the Opposition
of the House was some Fascist or Com-
munist Government by itself when it let
loose the Opposition to show the govern-
ment in power its errors and its faults in
dealing with matters that may land the
Commonwealth in war or divisions of
views at least.
These things show us that when a
House tries to stamp out every form of
opposition, that Government tends to
become tyrannical. When a House
which takes its pattern from Westmins-
ter, the Mother of Parliament, tries to
stamp out every scintilla or vestige of
opposition to keep them straight, that
Government tends to be despotic.
The question of the labour situation
of this country still is in the melting pot.
It is that we sometimes refer to the Gov-
ernor as Minister of Labour and his
locum tenens or the Administrator on
the spot deputies for him until he is in
the colony. Hence, we cannot say that
our colony under the present, what we
must call, constitution is devoid of a
Minister of Labour. But we see what
has happened in this colony in this year,
this fateful year of 1956. This would be
one of the most eventful years in the
history of our colony. This year 1956
has seen many disasters for our colony.
This year 1956 has not yet ended and
still more disasters are being heaped
upon our heads.
We have seen strikes, not agricultural
labourers but the intelligentsia of our
country, the teaching fraternity here,
That shows that a cross-section of this
community is discontented, not only is
it discontented, but we are living under
false securities or no securities at all.
false or true. Because a government
that cannot be trusted is a government
that the people would not rely upon.
And of course it might be more honour-
able, seeing a more limited constitution,
it might be more honourable and just,


seeing a government set up on a wrong
base, a base on which you have a top
heavy superstructure but sand and quick
sands and the foundation, that govern-
ment will do its level best, if it had
honour, if it had renown, if it had
love and respect for the country, to re-
sign manfully and cause a proper, righ-
teous government to be set up here.
Honourable Members, when? This hour.
Right this hour. Manfully tender your
resignations and see to it that a govern-
ment is set up to meet the task of West
Indian federation that claims that it is
embarking towards self-determination
and nationhood. If we, Gentlemen,
allow ourselves to be behind of the other
units we will definitely cut ourselves off
from that nationhood that some of us
harp to glibly of in this country.
Nationhood depends on the quality of
the citizen, if it must take its share in
a federal set up. Nationhood depends
on the citizen that you rear. And now
we see-it is not a pet statement of mine
-that we are quite contented here to
give xrway to the times and dodge the
issue of intelligence and think we can do
it by force. Nothing has ever yet been
conquered or won by force. You win a
city by force but every one of the citizens
that you won shows passive obedience.
No, the question of trying to run a coun-
try by force wouldn't survive. You
would have to run it by love, quick think-
ing, right-mindedness and truth. You
would have to run that community in
such a manner that it is fit and right to
take its place and what you like to be in
-Federal Parliament speaking as a
united whole for St. Vincent, nothing to
be ashamed of when we look back. But
what are we having here? We are al-
ready the laughing stock of the civilised
world and we are proud to know that
and that is one of our grievous faults.
Any one who gets up and makes his posi-
tion clear and discusses the opposite side
of what you are doing, well he is marked
up and gang it against him. That is
what I have seen. That is the practical
effect of what is happening in our coun-
try. That is bad. No God bless such a
Government. It cannot be blessed. Well,








you laugh. Not Chief Minister, the Min-
ister of Trade and Production smiles
when he hears the name of God. God
is not mocked. He is not a ridicule, He
is not a laughing stock. For "whatso-
ever a man soweth that would he also
reap".
The question of the labour situation is.
quite clear, as far as we are concerned
or the opposition is concerned. Labour
and Education.
Industrialisation is in the hands of our
proud Ministers after hearing what was
being discussed here. Whether it be
like pouring water on a swan's back, it
is left to be seen. But we have two
major points here-labour and educa-
tion. You have your industrialisation.
We have heard your plans made perhaps
and -handed to the Administrator to
recite.
The question of this Budget Speech
falls comparatively lower than any Bud-
get Speech ever read in this House.
This Budget Speech tells us not one iota
of what is in this Book and what is in-
tended to be done. It refers to some Ap-
pendix and of course naturally I haven't
seen it yet-an addition or corollary to
this Report.
But, Gentlemen, we are only deceiv-
ing ourselves. Some of us ask, and it
may be granted, Ministers must live in
dignity. Ministers become a different
form of person of the Legislative Council
when he is so appointed. That is St.
Vincent Ministry but British democracy
and British Ministry mean that you are
answerable to this House; you are
answerable to the people as their Elect-
ed Representative and the ballot that
put you there and select you as a Minis-
ter. That's the system, we cannot be
ignorant of it.
The question is that is why I ask you
instead of lengthening this sin and
shame, manfully resign and form a pro-
per Government.
The question of labour as expressed
by these Reports was ably made by Mr.
Jolly, a Master of Arts, Doctor of Science.
We have traded lightly on the corns of
those Reports. We have published them
as aforesaid; we have made them known
to the public; and every man in the


country is at liberty to interpret those
Reports to suit his whims and fancies.
It puts it in some way that the Govern-
ment in power has not done anything in
the way of motion to allow those Re-
ports to go into effect.
The Labour Department, so far as we
have seen, is not directly a farce but a
thing dwelling just by theory, a name
of a Labour Department. Because in
that Department every Budget Session,
every debate on a labour question posed
in this House, it is known that the La-
bour Department can show you nothing
in the form of statistics, vitally for this
Colony, when we do call on them for it.
Cost of Living Index of all the other
islands should have been placed in our
Labour Office here and whether they
have ours-I believe they have ours-
but we have none. When a point arises
a Tribunal is set up and there we saw the
nakedness even. The cost of living com-
parable with the sister neighboring
colonies were not even available.
SWe notice again in the Ordinance un-
der this Labour Debate of this Budget
Session, we notice there in the Ordi-
nances-take for instance, Public Utility
and Public Undertaking Ordinance.
That Ordinance has sections passed by
this Houses showing that a labourer or
workman there in, the employment of
the Hydro Electricity or any protected
Industry can be imprisoned or fined or
both. Imprisonment and fine for calling
upon his employers to rectify his man-
ner of work and his wages. Those are
the types of Ordinances and Bills we
make here but when he appeals to the
proper quarters to have this labour dis-
ability settled, there is a lot of reluct-
ance. And whenever a Tribunal or any-
body is set up it is just as cheap we
didn't worry because that Tribunal looks
at the one side and creates in the same
industry more discontent than before.
This labour question in the Colony of St.
Vincent should be more carefully
thought out.
We should at least encourage Trade
Unionism in this Colony; we should at
least, as a Government, do nothing to
stamp out collective bargaining; we
should at least be honest to this Colony








because 70-75% of the people of this
Colony are labourers and we should have
or more-I heard a grumble from one of
the opposition benches.
The question of the labour situation,
the question of the education situation,
the question of the whole clerical staff
of the Colony, all lie smoldering in dis-
content. Right at the back here of this
Honourable House is the Police Chief.
And the question of the guarding of
State. Of course, as in England, as the
President may tell us if we don't even
know England, we have the policemen
in the streets. Those policemen are
peace officers and some have not even
the right to carry a baton. Because they
know very well that there is an army.
If, the English people suddenly lose their
wits and call a revolt, well they have
the British army. But there is some-
thing mistaken for policemen in these
colonies, backward outposts of British
Empire. Policemen are the army and
are used both as policemen and soldiers.
But it is true that even soldiers can have
a grouse and when we come to this
House and bring these matters before
this House, we are just assisting the Gov-
ernment. But when they hear that,
they get vexed and believe that we are
attacking them unduly. We are trying
to get straight; we are trying to band
together the shattered remains of our
country and by having man in power
believe he cannot be corrected, that he
is not democratic of course, but he must
be corrected, and the Opposition force of
any Parliament corrects the Government
and they have to consider whether or
not the course of the Opposition is right
or wrong.
Gentlemen, if the Secretary of State
really knows the position of St. Vincent-
a British Secretary of State, not a
Russian Secretary of State, not a Greek
Secretary of State; a British Secretary
of State cannot be so callous to the
answer of Her Majesty's reign in these
parts of Her Empire. If he really gets
to know-perhaps we hope upon hope,
"we would iron this out, we would be
able to cool off that section, we would
be able to play off that"; we hope upon


hope until it reach to a point where we
find we are just fooling ourselves. And
so I don't believe, I cannot conceive, that
Her Majesty's principal Secretary of
State for the Colonies can really con-
ceive what is going on in islands like
St. Vincent and these parts of the
Empire.
I am winding up because there is
nothing much in this formal statement
-a panegyric on the point of why the
Budget was late. So much for that.
The question now arises, the money of
your country is already spent. The
money is already spent and maintenance
has not been done. Well, do you not
see when Members of a Government
make boat "You see you can't get any-
thing for your constituency", it is quite
clear that such sums of money were
spent without proper consideration, with-
out proper care by your Government,
partially, when Ministers can make such
a statement in public?
These statements should be open and
I make them here with impunity. This
is wrong. No civilised Government can
function for long in that fashion. It
will fail; but before it fails, it will haul
its citizens down into perdition with it.
Because the Government reflects the
very pattern of your citizens. If you
have a weak, ignorant and vascillating
Government, so that's the pattern of
your citizens in that country. Because we
spring from the citizens of that country.
A final reference to this Budget
Speech, I referred earlier to this Budget
Speech as an infant. It is an old
English tradition enshrined in the pages
of "Punch"-"Punch and Judy". The
Budget is an infant. Are we going to Be
infants all the days of our lives? This
is not the only infant. We had still-
born Budgets. If this is the first infant
Budget, we had still-born Budgets.
Thank God for this first infant given
birth in the light! Because knowing,
Gentlemen, before the advent of our
worthy President we had still-born Bud-
gets, Budgets just repeating themselves,
you can just say go to the shelves of the
Government Office and copy off this, we
put it here to fool them off with a slight








addition. That was the Budget Address
of this House.
And of course we have had now the
first infant nicely enshrined on page 4.
I referred earlier to the Budget as an
infant. Thank God we have the first
infant child! And we hope that we will
nurture it because your responsibility, or
if my advice is followed, godly and
wisely, that you resign you would have
a Minister to read his speech.
HONOURABLE. G. H. CHARLES: It's the
salary we want.
HONOURABLE E. T. JOSHUA: Oh. I see
the salary.
HONOURABLE H. F. YOUNG: Salary,
salary.
HONOURABLE E. T. JOSHUA: Salary is
one thing but the carrying out of the
wills of the people is another which was
manly given to you at election time.
I referred earlier to this Budget Speech
as an infant, we now have to nurture
this infant so that when a righteous
Government is here you will perforce
have heard with complete unity of the
Secretary of State for the Colonies and of
officials and yourselves, a Budget Speech
that will give a hope to the inhabitants
of our country.
Bear this in mind, Gentlemen, the
Secretary of State is not a Devil or a
three-headed dog of Pluto of the my-
thology world. He is a reasonable man.
And when this Government makes
apology for him and wickedly begin to
say: "Where will we get the money?"
He knows very well that those are con-
tented.
You remember St. Lucia? While we
were harping here for five long years,
cutting everything to the bone, St.
Lucia had 1,500,000- f6r development
use. See the difference? I am satisfied
about this. Let us face facts and reali-
ties. A Government cannot function by
trying to smash every vestige of opposi-
tion in it. Because you would not know
whether you are going right or wrong
when you kill every opposition. It is by
hearing what is wrong that you may


right yourself and direct your course;
but if you want to be despotic, well try
to kill out the opposition of the House.
The second point is, as I take my seat.
Remember this. As I like these words
from Fitzgerald. I live with them be-
cause it is human to err and you must
know why you have erred and what bat
you are playing.
"Life is a checkerboard of nights and
days
Where destiny with men for pieces
plays
Hither and thither moves and.
makes and slays
And one by one back in the cloz-t
lays.
The ball...."
That's the ball of life.
"The ball no question makes of ayes
or noes
But right or left as strikes the
player goes
And he that tossed thee down into
the fields
He knows about it all, he knows,
he knows."
Fitzgerald puts, it in that way, but
Shakespeare said:
"All the world's a stage and all the
men and women merely players;"
Each has his entrance and his exits.
You are on the stage now, play your
part.
"His acts being seven ages..."
And so play your part, but I ask if you
find, from this Budget Speech, some es-
sence of truth, which if you were honest
you would own and if you are not, you
would deny, we should go to the public
and form a Government that the Secre-
tary of State for the Colonies would re-
spect and send our Budget here in rea-
.sonable time, even before we had any
Ministers.
HONOURABLE H. F. YOUNG: Mr. Presi-
dent, Honourable Members, Praise God,
as I look into the Hall I see an intelli-








gent community! 'I missed my train-
Oh, God, I wish it can wreck! I did not
get into the Ministry, therefore, the
Ministry is no good.
The 1956 Estimates we have before us.
The Honourable Member is so right that
healthy criticism is good. Constructive
criticism is good. But spiteful, irrespon-
sible and erratic criticism tends to des-
troy. This 1956 Estimates was prepared
by all of us before the introduction of
the Ministerial System in March this
year, and it was prepared in 1955 for 1956.
Therefore, let us see how this whole
Government is run; let us educate the
people who are here. And where you
finish let me see if I can pick up where
you left off.
Because of this Estimates with which
we did not agree, we thought that cer-
tain things that were in there when the
Government was then of assent instead
of consent by virtue of your constitution,
we protested and we thought that some
of the things in there were like buying
a vase instead of a pot. We prolonged
this Estimates in order to show the same
Secretary .of State that there was a little
pounce behind us, that we wanted to
spend some of this money for the aver-
age man instead of building some big
mansion. My Honourable Friend agreed.
But since beggars are not choosers, the
Secretary of State sent it back and cut it
again. We protested. But during that
interim the Colony had to continue.
I wonder if the Honourable Gentleman
who was so busy all these years trying to
canvass after one election was not study-
ing how this was run to pull something
out or to assist in getting it somewhere,
has realized this. That under our pres-
ent c-,nstitution by protesting to this Es-
timates, which we have done, the Secre-
tary of State told us that our Grant Aid
will be given to us, whether it be $5.00,
and we can spend it as we want. Prior
to this protest, our Grant Aid would be
so much but we were detailed. Even a
Signalman's microscope at the Fort, he
cut it off. Therefore, we were once
babies. We told him that if he is going
to give us money now that we have a


different constitution, he wouldn't know
it, so let us spend it as we think fit.
That's one victory. I think this Govern-
ment has gained by protesting.
In Finance Committee when there is
not a large gallery, my Honourable
Friend takes no interest in the welfare
of the community. He is intelligent
enough for people to like to hear, but
when there is something to build as we
have to do today, earnestly have to
build he doesn't help. From this glass
we have to try to get as much water
because a half of a gallon cannot pour
one gallon.
My Honourable Friend signed that
particular protest that we sent. He was
there, discussed it and agreed with the
words. The Minister for Trade and Pro-
duction drew it up and we sent it to the
same House when there wasn't a gallery,
and say that the Ministers are humbug-
ging the Estimates.
This Estimates the poor Ministers had
to carry out because it was drawn up in
1955, and they came into power in 1956.
Therefore regardless of what was in it
they had to carry it out. After they
came into power and saw some of the
things, they protested at once.
In 1951, in this same House, this Hon-
ourable man whom you see speaking now
moved a motion for an Inspector of
Schools. Because I agree with the Hon-
ourable Gentleman, my friend, that we
need education in all forms. It's a pet
subject of mine. And because we had to
carry it on, it was cut off from our Esti-
mates for the past four years. We pro-
tested and now we have got it. Isn't
that a wonderful progress? Would you
imagine that one inspector of Schools
with 41 or 42 schools going every year
could have seen and helped those teach-
ers? Instead of that he had to police
our schools. Now that we have protest-
ed, praise God, we hope that we will get
a good Inspector of Schools or a quali-
fied Inspector of Schools to be a friend
to the teachers; to give policy and to
help the education of our children.
To touch on the teachers' salaries. All
of us sympathise. My Friend must








realise that although this Government is
in sympathy, the procedure-and we say
yes-it must go to Downing Street again
for the money. The teachers have the
fullest support of this Government and
the teachers should be paid and must be
paid in order to attract a better type of
teacher so that our children will get
somewhere. But like starch, the roots
must be dug first and then carried to the
mill. The teachers are right now going
through the process of making starch.
Therefore it is not done by a magic
wand.
And Honourable Gentlemen, you all
know, as much as I do know, that the
place for assisting this little island is in
that little Chamber, Finance Committee
or the Executive Council. When we are
trying to take the little water and distri-
bute it, sometimes the Honourable
Gentleman hangs his head down and
sleeps. Sometimes he does not turn
up. If this island is divided into eight
constituencies, must I in Leeward go and
see your holes in North Windward? And
if you do not bring your holes to the
notice of the Ministers, and because you
are not a Minister fail to come and see
them-your pride is too high-then you
suffer your people. Your dignity went to
your head.
Touching on labour. Labour should
have Trade Unions. Trade Unions
should be respected by Government.
Employers should then respect Trade
Union leaders. But no Trade Union
leader who is erratic and who jumps on
an open soap box and ill speaks the
owners of estates can then hope to go
around the table again for collective
bargaining. And you must have collec-
tive bargaining. But whom are you
going to bargain with? How are you
going to find out how much the industry
can pay if you do not go into it? How
are you going to help the labourers if
you don't get around a Table soberly?
But all through this Honourable Gen-
tlemen's speech you can see only chaos
-police, war. But my friend did say
love can do more than hate. Which of
us around this Table is showing more
hate? "Evil to he who evil thinks".


Because of the present policy of this
Government they should resign. Any
educated man or any man with a little
psychology could see that if you are not
in the ship, the ship must sink. It is
not good. But democracy says that five
is more than four by one and if I lose I
should join with my brother and assist
my country. Not because I have lost
then I must pull it to pieces. If I lose
in my fight I should then come back as
a man and assist those who have won
for the benefit of my country. Do you
mean to say that these Gentlemen and
myself who sit here, who sprung from
poor people, who sit down sometimes
studying, even up to last night, would
hate the people because you say we hate
them? Do you believe that by talking
all over that you alone love the people,
and you have not proved it, can make
the others who are working who cannot
satisfy their needs you are doing well?
Because if this year you have five kids
and next year you have six you will
have split peas. We know the popula-
tion is increasing; we know what it cost
Public Works before for a foot of lum-
ber it is three times as much t6day.
It is the same agricultural country, with-
out any oil or gold, in which crops have
to stay for nine months before they are
reaped; it is the same agricultural coun-
try where you have to nurse the plants
and weed it and care it; it is not a manu-
facturing country; and it is from that
same revenue that we have to hand out
for schoolteachers, doctors and the ser-
vices that we have the policemen to pro-
tect us. We have reached to a point
where we, the elected Members of this
Council, have approached this Govern-
ment and have brought more than we
can receive. Hence Grant-aid.
I am not ashamed of Grant-aid. To
me Grant aid right now cannot kill our
services and set us back. It's a form of
revenue. Because originally our trade
was in the hands of the hands of the
British people if you want to hear. For
years and I believe it is reciprocal. We
are getting something back from what
they got from us. But that does not
mean to say that we must not be thank-
ful.








The first five schools for this year, my
Honourable Friend does not know where
they are going to be built. And this
Government said Sandy Bay should get
priority. Although my Friend is telling
everybody here that we don't want to
give him anything. Because the poor
village of Sandy Bay was moved away-
we are human beings and the children
had to climb, so this Government said
Sandy Bay first. And a school is going
to be built there, although the Honour-
able Gentlemen did not ask for it.
And I can say here that that school
and the roads of Sandy Bay were fixed
but my Honourable Friend was to busy
collecting Union funds and not seeing
about the welfare of his constituency.
I thank you.
HONOURABLEi L. C. LATHAM: Mr. Presi-
dent, Honourable Members, I see that it
is as we are playing a kind of coup here.
I observed the Government just watch-
ing us as hound dogs on this side trying
to get the Opposition side up but I would
like to make it quite clear that this
opposition here of four Elected Members,
as was said by the Honourable Minister
without Portfolio, are the most loyal
opposition of Her Majesty the Queen.
We have heard a Budget read here by
the President and we have also heard
his excuse, and I had been prepared to
hear the Budget read by the Ministers.
It is about 13 months ago, I speak sub-
ject to correction, that we sat together
and went through the island's estimates
-13 months ago. And I have seen that
it has been brought to this House just
today. Now according to the Leader of
the Opposition this money is already
spent. But I must ask what detained
this Budget for 13 months? How was
this Budget detained? This Budget
has been detained by the views of two of
the top ranking officers of the Adminis-
tration. When we met in September
last to consider the Budget, the views of
the Finance Committee were never sent
to the Secretary of State but the views
of the Official Members have been sent
to the Secretary of State. Hence, when
the Budget came back down we found


that our views were not respected. We
have heard that the Secretary of State
said that we don't want any Inspector of
Schools but the view of Finance Commit-
tee were never sent to the Secretary of
State.
PRESIDENT: I cannot allow that state-
ment to be made. It is not true. The
Finance Committee views were sent to
the Secretary of State and the Secretary
State said in his latest despatch that he
was fully aware of the views of Finance
Committee.
HONOURABLE L. C. LATHAVM: Mr. Presi-
dent, Honourable Members, thank you
for the correction. If tht were so we
would have had the Estimates approved
since February but we have found differ-
ent. I don't' expect to hear the Minis-
ters support what I am saying here but
the Opposition would support what I am
saying here. I trust and hope that a
recurrence of the delay of this island's
estimates would never happen again.
I would like to be brief because time is
on us. I have heard in this White Paper
the President referred to two important
points-the Jolly Report and the Malone
Report. And this healthy Opposition
that you see here, our Manifesto is based
on two things: education and labour.
Now the Malone Report which was cir-
culated to Members and put immediately
into operation was a very good thing.
But when we look back and see the Ma-
lone Report on labour what do we see
happening? This Government is paying
their servant as a school teacher-$6.00
per month.
I went around and made a survey-of
the schools and I found that a teacher
has about 45 children in a class. And
what is the pay of a teacher? $6.00 per
month. That is not even 18d per day.
That is not even paying the minimum
wage. This Government is not paying
the minimum wage and I don't see the
reason why the Crown Attorney can't
bring this Government to justice to pay
the minimum wage. While the Govern-
iment posted notices throughout the








length and breadth of St. Vincent and
the police were employed to see that
employers paid the minimum wage, this
Government is paying starvation wages.
If a school-teacher is paid $6.00 per
month, who is to pay the balance? That
teacher has to walk two miles and buy
shoes, clothes, and who is to supply the
balance? She has to change her clothes
two or three times a week. Where is the
balance coming from? And then we see
here that the Malone Report on labour
fixes the minimum wage for women at
960 per day and men $1.20 And you will
have school-teacher, paying her 164 to
18I per day?
Now I am looking forward to the
Crown Attorney making that investiga-
tion and bringing the responsible per-
sons to justice, whether it be the Minis-
ters or the Government. It is a very
bad thing in our island home.
On two occasions in Finance Commit-
tee I moved motions that, not to delay
this Island's Budget, two Members of the
Legislative Council should go to England
and see the Secretary of State and have
a man to man chat with him on our
Island. One motion was amended and
another was thrown out, but I have seen
that St. Lucia will be sending two Mem-
bers or two Members of the Legislative
Council. Why can't you, Mr. Govern-
ment, send two Members to have a chat
with the Secretary of State, man to
man, and get our Estimates and bring
it down here? What is the present Gov-
ernment doing? Just sleeping. What
are you doing? I do not expect to see a
recurrence of this long delay on the
Estimates, whenever we come to thresh
it' out, I would like to see it go forward
with speed.
And Mr. President, I am glad to know
that this is the first Budget you have
attended here. I do hope that you will
take the Opposition's criticism. It is
quite constructive. I hope as it is con-
structive .....
PRESIDENT: I must apologise for inter-
rupting the Honourable Member, but I
must ask members of the public to keep


quiet. This House is listening to a
speech by a Member of the House.
HONOURABLE L. C. LATHAM: The oppo-
sition is constructive, and I do hope it
will be useful and that it will be taken by
the Members of the Government.
HONOURABLE G. C. H. CHARLES: Mr.
President, Honourable Members, I shall
only deal with two points. Now touch-
ing on the point of the education, I
heard a past speaker mentioning educa-
tion and I would like Honourable Mem-
bers to know that when we were con-
sidering our Budget we all sat on the
Estimates and it is surprising to. hear
Members stand before this House,
especially the Honourable Member for
North Windward, and say that the Min-
ister for Education did not provide any
money to pay the school teachers'
salaries. .....
HONOUR.BLE E. T. JOSHUA: On a point
of order, Mr. President, ask the Honour-
able Member to withdraw those remarks.
They were not my remarks here.
PRESTSENT: That is not a point of
order.
HONOURAPLE G. H. CHARLES: We must
be able to give and take. It is not the
Government. It is Finance Committee.
Finance Committee comprise the whole
of the Legislative Council and Executive
Council and it was the duty of these
Honourable Gentlemen to sit down and
work out and say, well let us increase
the teachers' salary. They shouldn't
wait until now because the -year is
ended now. But I wish to make it clear
that the money that is to be paid to the
teachers, we haven't got it here. These
are financial matters and the Secretary
of State is the man who will have to
approve the sums of money for the
teachers.
I was enquiring just the other day of
the Public Relations Officer devoting
some time to educate some Members of
Council on how Government is run.
Now I have also heard that since the
Ministerial System came into operation,
our education has deteriorated, Now








the Ministerial System is only operating
a matter of six months. What has hap-
pened? There is some progress. An In-
spector of Schools whom we have been
fighting for the past five years, we have
got it now. We have only one Inspector
of Schools to visit 45 schools. Here it is
we have another one now.
Summing up my point here I would like
to say that Finance Committee is the
most important part of the whole Gov-
ernment. But when there is a Finance
Committee Meeting some Members hang
their heads and sleep. Except they have
a gallery to speak to they do not say
anything. Some things pass and they
don't know what is happening. And
when I heard the lHonourable Member
for North Windward making a statement
that Ministers make open statements, I
know that most of the new items that's
to be done in a constituency is put on
the Budget and if Members who repre-
ent constituencies do not open their eyes
and put something in the Budget for
their constituency they can't expect an-
other Member to do it for them.
I would not say that the Opposition
.: ,:. .- that this Government is dis-
hone.t. but I want to make it quite clear
that this Government is honest. Be-
cause every ounce of pennies that's being
spent by this Government, whether it be
public works building or what, everybody
knows that the money is from the tax-
payers funds. Nobody can charge dis-
honesty to this Government. Nobody
can do that.
I have heard my Honourable Friends,
ihe hMe-imbers of the opposition, touch on
I he jol!y and Malone Reports. I a-n very
"la.d that those Reports were published.
I itought my Honourable Friend from
.-Tfrth Windward would have stressed on
those points at length, but he just passed
it over as a shame. Now these are the
things that create unrests in the Colony.
These are the things that now is the
time that the facts are before this House.
I was watching and listening very at-
tentively to see if my friend would say
anything about what the Honourable
Chairman put here that he has imple-


mented the Reports. I was waiting to
hear him challenge that. He said that
the Malone Report recommend 41/2 years
back pay for sugar workers and trade
workers and this Government was cover-
ing it up, and up to now some people are
-.tll waiting for 41' years back pay. But
speaking the truth now. This is a very
important point. Because I am saying
it is in black and white that the Presi-
dent read to this House that the Malone
Report and the Jolly Report were imple-
mented, and my Friend, as Leader of the
opposition, who almost turned this coun-
try upside down that the sugar workers
should have got 41/2years back pay, I
thought he would have said something
about it this morning. Probably next
year it will be something or other where
thousands of dollars are spent to put
police to maintain order and all sorts of
things.
You also mention about strikes. That's
my baby. I am not against a strike if
that is a last resort to bring the result
that you are fighting for. I am glad
that my Friend knows that it is only by
peace and love you can achieve what you
want. During the teachers strike, they
sat down quietly in their homes. They
never burnt schools an:l so on. They
never attempted arson so Government
could not intervene. They were passed
over too long and because of that they
were backed 100% by the Government of
this country. It is not the intention of
this Government to allow violence, it is
the duty to maintain peace and order at
all times. I always warned my Friend,
the Honourable Member for South
Windward, to keep quiet and as my good
friend I would not waste time to refute
your statement.
I must mention unionism. Trade
Unions are very good things. I do not
agree that it is a matter of divide and
rule. I have seen when men come and
attack and talk about government should
encourage Trade unionism-who disunite
the United Workers' and Ratepayers'
Union of this country? We had a power-
ful union. Who divide and rule? I can
remember once an Ordinance placed be-






18


fore this House and the very said men
who talked this morning about govern-
ment should encourage unionism he was
responsible. And these things are to
protect the peoples in this country or
people would suffer. I think I have dealt
with the most important point. The
time is at hand so I take my seat for
the Honourable Members to speak.
HoN. A. C. CYRuS: Mr. President, Hon-
ourable Members, when I received my
envelope a few days ago, it contained
information that today is Budget Ad-
dress. I wonder then whether the
President was going, to burden us with
the usual long story of the Departments.
Because it would certainly have been
boring, seeing that the time is long
passed when this Budget address should
have been delivered. I must commend
the President first of all for condensing
this Budget Address into what must be
regarded as a 20 minutes' talk.
Members have taken the opportunity,
not to comment on the Budget as was
done in the past but, to vent their per-
sonal spleen en one another. I do not
know if that i:s something that must be
expected or if it is something contained
in the new constitution. What I expect-
ed was, that Members would stand up
here, discuss the address, criticise it,
suggest improvements and finish away
with it. But every time a Member got
up he forgot the Budget address com-
pletely and was pointing an accusing
finger at another Member: and even
forgetting tr, address his colleagues in
the Third Person. Well, fortunately for
me, I am nct going to do that because I
don't know whether I am on the Opposi-
tion side or the Government side.
This Budget address should have been
last year December but it was delayed.
Some Members touched on the point and
I would just like it emphasised because
we have a sizeable gallery today and the
people have a right to know why it was
detained.
Last year, 1955, was the first year in
the history of St. Vincent that we sat at,
Finance Committee and -prepared the
Estimates. They were, as usual, sent up


to the Colonial Office with a covering
letter from the Administration and the
next year it came back with quite a lot
of reductions and deletions. Finance
Committee Members felt that they were
ignored by the Secretary of State and
were not satisfied. They decided that
the Budget should be sent back to the
Secretary of State. A long Memoran-
dum was prepared and every Member,
except the Official Members, signed that
document. It went up. It was in the
hands of the Secretary of State for a
long time and it was returned here to us
just a matter of about five or six weeks
ago. No local person is responsible for
that. It was returned with apologies
from the Secretary of State.
In the meantime, Mr. Scarlett, a man
who had to do very much with the affairs
of St. Vincent at the Colonial Office,
visited St. Vincent and at Finance Com-
mittee we asked him if they couldn't
make us feel as grown up people by
telling us how much money they would
give us as grant-in-aid and letting us
work out how we would spend that
money as so it would also save us the
tedium of having to recast the Estimates
time and again. He told us he quite
agreed with the argument but it wasn't
quite as easy as that because the Secre-
tary of State is a political figure who
has to take our case to Parliament and
it was a question of what parliament
decided. Ail the Members were there
and they heard that, and every Member
of Council this morning has a right to
feel that although the Estimates were de-
tained, we have scored a victory. Be-
cause although Mr. Scarlett told us that
here you have the President telling us
this:
"But equally, there have been un-
doubted advantages in the full and
frank exchanges which have taken
place between London and Kingstown;
and the principle upon which the
Secretary of State works in dealing
with grant aid in St. Vincent has indi-
cated his full acceptance of the view
that, with the exception of any points
of principle, once the Grant-in-Aid has
been decided upon for the year and








notified to St. Vincent, it is for the St.
Vincent Government to work out the
details of the Budget and to put it into
effect.
So you see that is a decided victory we
have scored. It must be evident because
there would be no reason for our Esti-
mates to be delayed as they were delayed
in the past. And this makes us feel we
are little more men than we felt before.
We all feel gratified that we have, been
treated with some respect and it isn't
fair for Members who know how things
are going to come here and point accus-
ing fingers at people and say that they
did not do certain things why the Budget
is delayed, because we know that is
wrong.
Now one other point I would like to
stress on and this is a very controversial
point. And it is a point that I do not
expect the gallery to agree with. I don't
expect any body in the House to agree
with it but I have the strength of charac-
ter and because of that I am going to
say just how I feel about it.
In this Budget address, the Medical
Officer, speaking on planned parenthood,
says it has not been practised yet in St.
Vincent. Some time ago, some money
was embodied in the Estimates for
planned parenthood. Nothing has been
done about that. I would like to see
this part of government prosecuted with
much more zeal than in the past.
Everybody speaks quite glibly about
children and schools and all sorts of
things and does not seem to stop to
think that the economy of St. Vincent
cannot keep pace with the birth rate.
And at the rate at which we are produc-
ing children here, it would mean that we
would have to level out these hills and
spread them out in order to accommo-
date the population. And when you do
accommodate the population you would
then be faced with the problem of find-
ing arable lands.
At the moment, as a Member of the
Housing Board, I can tell you, we have
experiencing much difficulty in finding
suitable lands on which to build houses
for these unfortunate people. A lot of


the lands that should have been used for
agriculture, to build up the economy of
St. Vincent, has to be used for housing.
And until we stop to think that we must
plan our parenthood, we must control
our birth rate, we will be faced with the
problem of having more children out of
schools. It doesn't matter what improve-
ment you make now, that is inevitable.
One Member spoke this morning about
compulsory education. Nobody is in
favour of compulsory education more
than I; but the prerequisite of compul-
sory education is schools. You have
so many children and you haven't got
the schools, and until we can do some-
thing about that, we will have to talk
less glibly about children out of schools.
HON. O. L. TANNIS: Mr. President,
Hc nourable Members, I must fall in line,
as a Minister, on the points raised by
thW) last speaker. Though the Members
of the Opposition have given a lot of
ro;.m for rambling in this House this
morning. I am not going to take that
stand because I a'.A going to let certain
re-'arks made by the Opposition go un-
answered.
In the Address placed before us here
this morning, the President made it
clc ar that the Ministers were not respon-
sib'e for the drawing up of the Budget
for 1956 but it happened so that it is
pretty late in the year and we are now
having our Budget Session.
Of course the Budget for 1956 is not a
Budget that I am satisfied with in any
way. I would like to see our grant in
aid doubled to what it was under the
1956 Estimates. But that is a thing
wl:ich the Members of this House has no
control over. It is fixed by the Secre-
tary of State and Her Majesty's C vern-
ment and we are forced to cut our coat
to suit the cloth.
I would like to see $150,000 more spent
on maintenance of roads; $50,000 spent
on bridges and gutters; $100,000 spent on
housing conditions; $200,000 more on the
education system; $150,000 more on the
agricultural system. But the question
arises how are we going to meet it? We








can only meet it within the limited re-
venue which we have at our disposal.
And that is why Members of this House
are taken in Finance Committee: to cut
certain of the smaller items or items of
lesser importance and leave those of
major importance. It is a thing that
we go through from year to year, and
some Members are faced with the unfor-
tunate position that some of their pet
items which they would like to see in
their constituencydut out, if not here
when the Budget is r- seated to ilhe
Secretary of State. I .., it is very dis-
couraging when we have met for several
days, over heated arguments here and
there, sending rude cables to the Secre-
tary of State and the Governor, for Mem-
bers to just lightly get up in the House
here and throw the blame on one or two
people. Well, it is a cheap form of
politics.
We are faced in St. Vincent with a
very funny position, where our economic
position is pretty shaky; and I thought
it would be the duty of our Members
here to make some plan to see whether
we, with our time in office here, could
put St. Vincent on a better economic
standing. But instead of that we ask
here for resignations of government and
refer to the sleeping government which
we have here. But I shall take a chance
in this address to outline a few things
which have been happening or were
planned in our 1956 Budget, which of
course were not outlined in this White
Paper.
Other than our usual year to year pro-
gramme, we had drawn up around 1955
a plan for the development programme
for certain improvements that includes
quite a lot- of items which will tend to
relieve certain of the ills of this country
and try to develop our economic struc-
ture.
First of all, on the bigger items which
is always a sore point with Members and
the public, is the item of roads. Under
your road programme sums have been
earmarked to start development work.
The development road programme is on
the way from sums of 225,000, and part
of that programme is to be spent in this


year. We have over 10,000 or 12,000 to
be spent in this year. We have over
Other than that, we have your possi-
ble extension programme started to re-
lieve the congestion in your hospitals.
We have also your housing scheme which
should be started as soon as funds are
approved by the Secretary of State.
That is included in the President's ad-
dress when he pointed out about the
development programme. We have funds
being spent on your water schemes to
develop the water of this island. We
have planned already, and recognition
was taken oi that when we were con-
sidering our Budget, or a loan scheme,
which we are asking for. Whether we
will get approval this year to start any-
thing for telephone system. We had
made plans for your deep water harbour
sch.eme. We are trying to present the
pi ture so that we can get a loan for the
de. elopment of your shipping scheme.
'i these are things which must be point-
ed out in your Budget because Members
of the Opposition are saying that the
-M -iibers of the Government are sleeping
bi t it is not so. And they also took part
in the planning of these things and they
should know better than to misinform
the public of things that are happening
in this government.
Speaking on the Ministerial system
here I feel that we cannot really assess
the benefit as yet because the Ministerial
System has just been in operation for
six months. And I think the least the
Members of the Opposition can do is to
give it a trial for another period and see
what will happen. And give the Minis-
ter a chance to present next year's Bud
get and see what will happen, and what
form the new Budget will take.
The next point on this Paper is that
of Special Road Services. The mainten-
ance of roads is very low. No Member
of Council or Government could hope to
have all the roads put into shape with
an amount of $67,000 and $32,000 for
Special Road Services. Those are the
things which take quite a lot of money.
It is not even a quarter enough to meet
the needs of the country.








We are glad to have the customs
separated from the Treasury and you
will have your Collector of Customs. I
think that is a very good thing because
mcst of our revenue collected passes
through the Customs Department. If
you have a vigilant Customs Department,
I think it is one way our revenue will be
increased to meet the increased expendi-
ture on the other side.
It happens that Port and Marine
which comes under my Portfolio would
not be in operation before next month
because of the late approval of the Bud-
get. That is to assist in the Harbour
Regulations, to upkeep the navigation
lights and to keep a check on the safety
equipment of ships coming in and going
cut from this country. I think that is
a step forward in the history of the
operation of the Port and Marine.
We have here the Inspector of Schools
and that is of vital importance to cope
with the increased number of school
children and increased number of
schools. Because under our school pro-
gramme, we have .75,:f 0 earmarked for
building and operating of schools. And
if you arc going to have more schools
and more teachers and more children at-
tending schools, you must make provi-
sion for planning pao car-e'fil operation
of those schools. And that Inspector of
Schools would assist greatly towards
that end.
The increase on the Public Assistance
is $3,000. Of course much more could be
spent to Public Assistance because where
there is unemployment and no old age
pension and that kind of thing you
would have quite a lot of space for peo-
ple who should look forward to public
assistance in their old age or people who
have lost their families and for other
reasons like that. And that's why I
think though we have increased it with-
in our slender budget, I hope that in the
next budget we would be able to increase
it yet more to another $1,000. That of
course is not half enough for the local
government. We need money in this
country where you would have to make
available to the local government a lar-


ger sum of money to assist them in carry-
ing the assistance they are asked in the
other towns and districts. Of course it
is taking off a lot of strain from the
Central Government and other services
that used to be rendered by the Central
Government. This should be given a
larger sum or grant-in-aid, to assist them
in carrying out their duties successfully.
Then we had hurricane "Janet." For
the current year we have done quite a
lot of work with rebuilding the damages
in the Grenadines and the mainland.
There are only two wharves left on the
leeward coast and a public latrine left
to be put in order and a few other small
matters to be put in shape for your
hurricane damage affairs.
As far as the replacement and assist-
ance to the people of the Southern
Grenadines is concerned, that seems to
be a big amount. That has not really
covered the ground we expected it to, do
and for that we have been asking the
Governor for a quick share in the United
Kingdom funds. That we have not
heard anything of up to now. It appears
to be pretty shaky as far as I have heard
in Barbados on my last visit. The sort-
ing out of the financial position is a bit
shaky and we might not even get any-
thing from that fund to assist us in
finishing off our hurricane damage pro-
gramme in the Southern Grenadines.
That is a matter which we will have to
watch with great attention.
There was $30,000 also placed for the
replacement of shipping, which is not
mentioned here, and that has not been
able to be sorted out; but we should have
it settled by now and the next couple of
days so that we could assist those per-
sons who lost their ships, boats and nets
to a great extent. I touched already on
the development programme so I won't
waste any more. time on that. The
other points on which the Minister for
Education has touched as part of this
Budget are the Malone and Jolly Repbrts
which were presented and they had to
go through the normal channel but
there still is a bit of dissatisfaction. But
that will have to be taken up through
the right channel and at the right time.








I don't think we can touch on that today
over a Table on the Budget Address.
On the whole, the Budget which is now
presented is of course not at all one that
Members would like to see. Of course
we would like to see many more things in
that Budget but we couldn't go on pro-
testing until the end of the year. Per-
haps we are taking the 1956 Budget for
1957 and those points we have left out
in 1956 I hope we would be able to place
them in the 1957 Estimates. And of
course since we have paved the way that
should give us better room for argument
with the Secretary of State for the Colo-
nies. I hope that in the 1957 Estimates
we would be able to achieve much more
than we did achieve in the 1956 Esti-
mates.
I must say to the President that I am
very grateful because he took upon him-
self to approve quite an advance, most
of the money comes under Public Works
at least under the Department that
comes under my Ministry, in advance
and there is very little left to be spent in
this Budget at least as far as concerns
my Department for. this year. The
President has been very helpful there in
giving his prior approval so we are now
only covering it in the House here. I
think it is the best thing that the Presi-
dent could have done, in the circum-
stances, to bring the Estimates to a
brief account, and I am sure that Mem-
bers would agree it was always a pretty
warm and tiring session during the Bud-
get Sessions before this came to the
House for final approval, and if we take
single action with the 1957 Estimates we
should achieve much more. I thank you.
HONOURABLE J. A. BAYNES: Mr. Presi-
dent, Honourable Members, speaking on
this Budget Session, I am determined to
take this opportunity to congratulate
you on your first Budget Speech since
your arrival here in St. Vincent. But
while I offer congratulation I would still
like to give merely an observation. The
Budget Speech this morning has been
theatrical and less impressive than that
of your predecessors. Less impressive in
that I thought, with the advent of the


Ministeral System, I would have heard
this morning merely an introduction to
the Budget from the President and
every active Minister taking active part
in laying before this House what is in
tended with the present Estimates or
what has been done since the Estimates
have been late in being approved. But
I notice that that was not the case. We
actually had the same type of Budget
Session as during Mr. Coutts' administra-
tion, when this island had a less ad-
vanced constitution.
It was theatrical in that when I
thought that I would have been listening
to outlines from the Ministers so that
the Members of the Opposition would
have been given something to talk about.
We didn't have that at all. All we had
was a training of criticism across the
Table. Which in my estimation, has
severely undermined the first debut of
the Ministerial System.
The Ministerial System in my estima-
tion is an advanced type of Government
to St. Vincent and I would do everything
for St. Vincent, to see that we are given
.a chance to prove its mettle.
The type of criticism levelled by the
Opposition, I believe they are necessary
criticisms. Because the Opposition, like
the rest of the public is really kept in
the dark with regard to the policy of
the Ministerial System. What is actual-
ly done you more here it from rumour
than from the Ministers and the Admin-
istration itself. It is for that reason I
again determine to take this opportunity
to throw it out around this Table that
your Finance Committee Meetings, under
the Ministerial System, should be held
in public, so that you wouldn't have a
Ministerial System functioning behind
an Iron Curtain.
If you need in a Ministerial System
and a federation to come the support
and confidence of every citizen of St.
Vincent, that citizen I think should want
to know what is likely to happen in the
Government for another year to come;
but presently that is not the case.








I think that we have been listening
this morning to an outline of the various
problems from the Opposition and that
tells me, whether it be 50%' right, 75%
right or 25% right, but there is distress
in the actual fabric of the St. Vincent
Government, And we should hang our
heads in shame to measure up against
the task in proving St. Vincent's
economy.
I have listened here to the question of
teachers. I know you have one which
has actually been the sore point in the
civil service for many years. You have
that of labour. That alone tells me that
having the same trouble breaking from
various factions of a St. Vincent public
that there is unrest at the core of the St.
Vincent economics.
Because with all I have heard this
morning I believe that every Represen-
tative of the people knows that every
dollar is as strong as its opposition. If
you have no opposition then you have no
government. And I believe that when
you go a step further than what you had
yesterday to accept the Ministerial Sys-
tem you have not merely accepted the
responsibility of guiding the affairs of
your country when you go out to appoint
Ministers. But you have accepted the
actual criticisms that were in the past
levelled at the Administration, who hap-
pened to be a buffet between the Colonial
Office and the people of St. Vincent.
We fool ourselves. We know that the
British System has been so wrong for all
the years, and it is only now that some-
thing is being done to improve it, and we
can only improve it with the materials
we have in our hands. All those things
go without saying. But be that as it
may, we would also know that in our
household and domestic life, there is
such a thing as living above your means;
there is such a thing as a housewife
being undomesticated, and all these
things tend to cause the value of the
dollar to be worth less. Those are the
things, I think, that ought to be dis-
cussed in a meeting such as this. Be-
cause, at this time, we needn't go out to
discuss the Budget. The Budget is al-
ready approved and the year has but a


few weeks to go; the money is already
spent; and we needn't ask the Ministers
to account for it. But it gives this House
a chance to go out and examine what
can be done to improve the situation.
I have discussed this matter with the
Secretary of State for the Colonies last
February and some of the points raised
by him, you couldn't help but admit that
they are true. He said that he was of
the opinion that colonials can't spend
money. I said that I too believe that
you here in England can't spend money
because to what has been published to
the rest of the world, you too have to
call in technicians from the United
States to put your House in order. Well,
we in St. Vincent perhaps find ourselves
in that position now that the Ministerial
System is thrown upon us. We find our
House in disorder and everybody is at
a loss where to begin. There are so
many of us who actually find ourselves
in a position to assist in creating a sys-
tem which we can call the future frame-
work of St. Vincent. But throwing
stones across the Table when those criti-
cisms are criticisms that can be levelled
at every Representative of the people, we
needn't go out to do that. We must find
a way; and if we find light for one foot
step we would evidently find light for
another.
Gentlemen, at this moment, this is a
grave moment in the history of St.
Vincent. We actually can only function
with the material we have in our hands.
It is hard to say how much money will
do to put St. Vincent on its feet. As I
have heard from the Honourable Minis-
ter for Communications and Works.
Because money thrown in the hands of a
fool has no value. Let us not fool our-
selves.
Here in St. Vincent if we had an hon-
est approach to industrialisation, !ondi-
tions here could be extremely better.
Whether honest-to-God efforts have been
made by one faction of the populace of
this island to keep things in this condi-
tion so that they can exploit the best
interest of the masses, I do not know.
That is for you to judge. But now is the
time that honest-to-God planning should








take place, and it will be the means
whereby you will be able to test the
mythology that is possible here: the
mixing of the component parts that go
to make steel and other alloys.
The idle talk I have listened to here,
it is a sad state of affairs cf an island
like this. That is all we have to offer.
You listened to the Budget Speech this
morning read by the President of this
House. It is no different from the
Budget Speeches read by his predeces-
sors 50, 60 years ago. No different. He
came out in brief in trying to bring a
picture which I couldn't call honest to
this House. He made an effort to give an
outline of what is possible and what is
not; what has been done and what not;
and what we have to-be thankful for.
That, as I see it, is merely a schoolboy
approach, governmentally; moreso, at a
time when you are talking an advanced
constitution when this island is merging
into the Ministerial System where you
are calling on the citizens of this country
to be responsible for the form of Govern-
ment thrown at us around here.
I wonder if the British way of life has
all honesty :;n it. And that jis a state-
imnt I am determined to ch-alenae. ea-
cause, as I have often argued, if you tie
three blind i.en together the world
avoids them. You can't ask them to be_
when they are :een by the passer-by on
the street corner 900 yarc's in the dis-
tance. All he decs is to' take another
course.
We find ourselves now in a position
where you are asking us to prepare the
way to launch io. a federation without
the adequate tooGs. and it is like asking a
contractor or a tradesman to erect a
building without having the necessary
tools with which lumber, cement, and
stone can be put together. That is
exactly our position. And while we sit
here and you hear meanderings here and
there, criticisms thrown here, criticisms
thrown there, I am aware thatl it is the
duty of the Opposition to criticism. It is
the duty of the Ministers to throw
before the Opposition light so that if that
outline made by the Ministers is satisfy-


ing, it will also satisfy, not only the
Opposition, but the inhabitants of the
country as a whole. That is the whole
position as I see it. But no, we are told,
at least on paper, that we are making
provision to enter a federation.
Ai we cnt:;.ing a federation on equal
basis wibh ihe other units of the British
Caribbean? I say no. We will be enter-
ing the federation as a pauper, a beggar.
Eventually, we will find ourselves a ward
of the Eastern Caribbean block. And
what is responsible for it?
Now let us take an honest-to-God sur-
vey of what has been going on in this
Government from time immemorial. I
am quite aware that when these Govern-
monrts were started in these little colo-
nial lands, they were started oh the
basis where you had a few Overlords who
,owned the estates, given lands by the
Crown and they had a set of-chattels as
ITegro slaves, Indians and people of that
type who actually happened to have been
the stDck in trade. Well, those were-the
concessions that the British Crown gave
under the Imperial Charter. Those are
the things that the British Crown gave
under the Imperial Charter, concessions
to fellows who might have served during
the war, and as a consequence they pay
for gallantry. That has been little im-
provement here and there but now ihat
we a'e on the threshold of federation
the pattern is still visible to those of us
who are sufficiently awake, alert and
alive to discern it. We needn't come
here creating discrepancies man to man
when, in truth and in fact, we have a
problem that is really tremendously big-
ger than the outlook of the inhabitants
of this island. Tremendously bigger.
We should come together, Gentlemen,
and make an effort to map a course to
plan what ought to be done. Because, as
I before said. your Estimates of the pre-
vious years have only been a copy-you
took last year's Estimates and you turned
it over. If you have so much you just
increase it $20.00 but no brain was stuck
behind it. Nothing at all. Our Admin-
istration lived at lolly dogs in these
parts when they came here, but who can
blame them?








You can quite see that when you take
a civil servant, for example, and send
him to the Grenadines, we don't take a
Grade A civil servant. Because a Grade
A civil servant would not want to go to
the Grenadines. You select who, going
to the Grenddines is an achievement.
And he is sent to the Grenadines, there
to the people of the Grenadines he is
like a chief. You can't change that.
HON. C. L. TANNIS: Withdraw that
statement.
HON. J. A. BAYNES: You can't change
that. Be that as it may, this is a chang-
ing tide in the affairs of men because
when we look back we can also see that
the British people had to call the actual
fabric of what was yesterday, a Colonial
Empire together, and call themselves the
Commonwealth of Nations. Because
what does Empire mean? A means of
putting an army around the unprotected
and exploiting them to the best of their
ability. That is all. I don't think you
can find any other definition. But we
are shouldered with a task and as the
intelligence of these islands grow, we
find ourselves faced with the problem of
taking inexperienced and untrained
minds and asking them to frame a Gov-
ernment, which is a very, very, unfair
approach. A very, very, unfair approach.
Therefore you can quite see what is
responsible for what you have had here
this morning. I thought that this morn-
ing happened to be the last Budget Ses-
sion of British Colonialism. It is a
Budget Session that has shown itself on
the eve of federation, it is unfortunate
that the present President finds himself
the person to carry the last end of the
stick.
Be that as it may, I feel that it is the
duty of the Representatives of the people
sitting around this Table to go as far as
they possible can from that method of
yesterday. Because what I would like to
actually impress on our Ministers is this.
It is the duty of the Administration t
hold his Ministers together with him, as
close as'he possibly can, so that the
actual filth of yesterday wouldn't come
to light. It is his duty. I wouldn't
blame him for that.


I believe that the British have a.policy
and they themselves since they have
gone out to immortalise the name of
certain heroes, then it goes to show that
they have something to be proud of in
the past. We too as a people find our-
selves now in a position where we must
create those acts that will cause our
children of tomorrow to be proud of us.
It is for that reason, I say, when the
teachers strike, whether they get money,
yes or no, but in another 25 years some
young teachers would be able to read
that the teachers of St. Vincent did
strike 2 years ago. It will at least add
to his confidence and strengthen his
mind. We are confronted with a set of
weak minds and these weak minds are
being asked to frame the destiny of an
island that would make the life of the
people living much better.
Gentlemen, I feel that no stone should
be left unturned in mapping for your
1957 Estimates. In 1955, I saw the signs
of the time and I knew that your grant-
in-aid in a federation would be based on
your 3 years grants-in-aid prior to your
federation. And this ad hoc approach
to an Estimate for a people is not what
it ought to be. Because you can quite
see without any body having to tell you
that in a little island such as St. Vincent,
iyou have an Administrative Head that
the economic legs of the country can't
carry.
And no need building a superstructure
on a foundation that is unable to carry
it. That has been our problem. And it
is for the Ministers to combine their
efforts with the Opposition so that they
would be able to map a course that our
successors, after us around this Table,
would be duly proud. Because it is
enough to know that you might have
been a Minister today, ybu may not be in
the House at all tomorrow.
Men that aim at making politics their
career, they have Albert Gomr.j, of Trini-
dad, as an example. He actually had a
lot of publicity abroad, in A.mprica and
in London. I was there in L'ondon with
him, and I could only see that he actu-
ally had special favors from the Colo-








nial Office. He was not another dele-
gate like Julian Baynes or the delegate
from St. Vincent. But now in spite of
that, tremendous impression made on the
people outside of the West Indies, at
home all was not well. He didn't serve
the best interests of the people he repre-
sented, and as a consequence, Mr. Gomes
was defeated at the polls. That may or
may not end his political career. But
persons who hope to make politics a
career should always remember that poli-
tics is a thankless job. You would be
here today and out tomorrow. There-
fore you have one thing to bear in mind
and that is, St. Vincent first and you
after.
In the past every first person came
into St. Vincent with the help of citizens
of St. Vincent or sons of St. Vincent, did
nothing but live like an alien in your
own country and helped you to exploit
the country for your personal benefit
until we are able to kill that, until that
consciousness and feeling of the Vincen-
tian and my country first and anything
else after, then and only then, Gentle-
men, St. Vincent would be successful, St.
Vincent would be on the road to pro-
gress. And I am inviting the unity,
untiring unity, of every Member who re-
presents the interest of the common man
so that St. Vincent would make an hon-
est beginning in preparing a system that
would serve this island on the road to
progress even long after we are gone.
1.43 p.m. Sitting suspended.
3.15 p.m. Sitting resumed.
HON. R. E. BAYNES: Mr. President,
Honourable Members, I am very sorry
that a very important meeting such as
this continues with an empty gallery.
But as customary in the House of Com-
mons when the Opposition Side intro-
duce measures or Bills into the House,
the debate goes on as though there are
no listeners. Nevertheless, what is being
said goes around. I hope this might be
so in this particular case.
Now I think that most of us here were
treated to some very good speeches.


Some of which when expressed, if half
of what was being expressed was being
done in practice, St. Vincent, I can
assure you, would be moving on by leaps
and bounds.
A theoretical speech made by anyone
with a glib tongue sounds very sweet, but
the world today is never guided by
generalities but by hard facts.
Now I have listened to quite a lot of
criticisms, the first one being that the
the Administration should not have read
the speech. It is constitutionally correct
for the Administrator to read the speech
on this occasion. The fact being that
this Budget was prepared by the Legisla-
tive Council, prior to the inauguration
of the Ministerial System and so it is
not really and truly a speech of the Gov-
ernment in power but a speech of the
Old Guards.
Under a Ministerial System, fully ad-
vanced such as that which takes place at
Westminster, the person who reads the
speech is the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer. In advanced constitutions such
as that which exists in Jamaica, the per-
son who read the speech would be the
Minister of Finance and in less advanced
constitutions the person who reads the
speech is the Financial Secretary. No
Minister here would read speecheS, and
it is therefore constitutionally correct
for the Administrator, on this particular
occasion, to read the speech on a Budget
that was prepared prior to the Minis-
terial form of Government. This is not
misleading the gallery.
I listened to a particular speech here
this morning and I was sorry that I did
not have the opportunity to rebut some
of the things said. As I said, a sweet
speech could sound very well but some-
times in the long run when they are all
added up they work out to be about 1/-,
2/- or 60.
Now the Member for North Windward
got up and said that no improvement in
production is being done. Let him go
and look at the figures. From 1950 to
1955, the production of St. Vincent has
increased in terms of weight in tonnage;








not value, by 80%. The facts are there.
Increased by 80%. But the theoretical
argument which he adduced here by
saying that nothing has been improved
sounds very good down the throat or to
masses. Vote catching.
In 1953, this island produced and ex-
ported to Trinidad 33,000 bags of pota-
toes. In 1954, we produced and export-
ed 64,000 bags. Nearly double the
amount, but the difference in the value
of those potatoes was negligible. The
value of one was $226,000 and the value
of the other was $233,000, a difference of
$7,000.00 for twice the amount of pota-
toes produced and exported.
Those are some of the conditions
which people of this island and particu-
larly Members of Council have to study
in relation to expenditure. Because we
see this. On one hand, you have a
growing expenditure out of proportion
to revenue. That money must come
from some place to pay for it. Because
first of all the economy of your island is
based on what you produce and export,
coupled with your invisible exports which
represent the monies coming into this
island from peoples abroad. If you take
a survey of one against the other, you
will see that few years ago we were able
to balance out one against the other.
But every year your expenditure is going
on one side and the value of the other is
not keeping pace with what is on the
ether side. And that is a condition with
which each and everyone of us sitting
around this Table will have to be guard-
ed or yor are going to :3nd you will have
to, in due course of time, reach a
stage where there will be financial chaos.
It is all well and good to come here to
listen to sweet sounding speeches and
generalities without facts. Because it
is time that the matter is really under-
stood and we realise the system of Gov-
ernment stands for; and who is Govern-
ment.
Most of us get the impression that
Ministers sit by on one side to oppose
the masses. Without a developed mass,
a developed labour, or organisation and
things of the kind which form the bul-
wark of any economy, an island is bound
to topple over.


I have listened to the Member for
North Windward getting up here and
talking about labour and statistics with
regard to labour. I am particularly at-
tacking this particular point. Because
when we talk about labour, we see right
here now in St. Vincent that there is
scheduled to be a 20% increase in the
cost of living to Members of the Civil
Service. In 1952 when the Hodgens Re-
commendations were instituted here,
Members of the Legislative Council felt
at the same time that labour was entitled
to some form of compensation and so a
Committee was instituted. We had what
you call legislation passed for instituting
such a committee in the absence of
labour unions to take care of the labour-
er. The Honourable Member sitting
there was a Member of one of those Com-
mittees and when he was supposed to
attend those Committees on behalf of
the same man he claims he represents,
he never turned up at all. The outcome
of that was that the labourer never got
his just due until last year when the
Malone Report came. Three years be-
hind the times. Now that the Civil Ser-
vants are again ready to get their con-
sideration the labourer has just got his
this year, due to him, who did not turn
up at that Committee. And he goes out
and says that he represents the labour-
ers. That is the type of thing that
appeals to the gallery.
I am sorry that he is not here this even-
ing. Because I can tell him that right
now we have certain machinery in pro-
gress to take care of the servants, to
take care of the passenger boats, to take
care of the fellows on the waterfront
because we feel that he should be treat-
ed in like manner because of the rising
cost of living. He has contributed
nothing at any time to those peoples'
cause. I have been into the country and
seen the massive house he is building....

HON. S. E. SLATER: I beg you, Sir, not
to be personal.

HON. R. E. BAYNES: I have been into
the country and say this. That places
like Perseverance where some of the bulk









of the crop comes from, the roads are
impassable. And I think it is my busi-
ness, as Minister for Trade and Produc-
tion to go to those areas and see that
those people are provided with the neces-
sary roads to get out their crops. I am
not pulling any punches here today. I
have listened to him making some very
daring statements. One of the things
that I always tell every fellow around
this Table, I welcome opposition and as
Bustamante put it "The day I am not
criticised I wonder what is wrong. Peo-
ple only get criticism when they are
doing something. That is a common
factor. But one of the things I hate to
know that at a stage of West Indian
development, where the West Indies as
a whole are truing to march on to inde-
pendence, we have those political somer-
saulters getting up and misleading the
masses. I want the masses to look at
this very well that the time has come
when they should be given en education
in the ways and means of Government
so that when these people come along
to fool them, they will know when they
are fooled.
The age of West Indian development
has passed and reached beyond that.
And while some of uL come here and
impress you that we a-e being linked
with the Administrator-the Adminis-
trator is a symbol of the Queen. There
is such a thing as West Indian destiny
which I am as a West Indian. If we
had the interest of the people at heart
we would come forward without fear and
tell us something that we are supporting
you in everything for your own develop-
ment.
I can go through this town of Kings-
town and regardless of the propaganda
the time will come when we will see how
that propaganda is being questioned.
Because there is such a thing as people
in this town who really realise that one
of the greatest aims is to find something
to do and a house in which each and
everyone can live.
I have been in one or two constituen-
cies and one of things that I can say
is that the people who were concerned in
the strike should go to some of the


other constituencies and see what is
being done in them. I am inviting them.
It has got to a stage where we listen to
a lot of these things. The day is coming
when I will start to lash out on some of
you fellows trying to fool my people.
This is a different age. Man marches
on his stomach and so it is that every
island can only progress when the peo-
ples themselves realise what is to be
done and that the efforts exerted are
for their own welfare.
I have listened to quite a lot of nice
speeches here and my friend from St.
George said we are grant-aided and when
we enter federation we will be entering
like small boys. Let me tell the Honour-
able Member for St. George that every
territory is a grant-aided territory. The
Barbados Government right now receives
indirect help to the tune of 71/2 million
dollars because of the price stabilisation
they receive for sugar. The same thing
goes for Trinidad and Jamaica and we
can put all those down in terms of
pounds, shillings and pence and it will
come to a collosal sum. Each of them
realise that they are getting assistance
indirectly from the British Government.
Look, Gentlemen, I am sorry that we
haven't got a gallery here. I notice
everyone was talking to the gallery.
We talk about production this and pro-
duction that and what is being accom-
plished. Each and everyone of us here
knov that the Budget is the Budget
which they all had prepared and one of
the things that I feel very proud of was
that the Member for South Leeward said
that the despatch which was prepared
and sent to the Secretary of State was
prepared by myself and signed by the
Member for North Windward. I wonder
if he would admit that. Because accord-
ing to his way of thought, nobody here
has any brain. And moreso I was very
proud when the President said that the
same despatch was able to gain a tre-
mendous victory over the Secretary of
State. It goes to show that some of us
have a certain amount of talent and I
want the Honourable Member to realise
that because we have prepared several
despatches which went to the Secretary










of State and he knows that all were
prepared- by myself. He can only put
his signature to them. He knows that
everything which is prepared here that
he can only put his signature to them.
It was very gratifying when that was
being brought out.
He talked about resignation, I hope
that from what I have seen in his con-
stituency, he should go right out there
and encourage the people because they
have quite a lot of initiative there and
they are very anxious to produce and
some of the crops I have seen there even
His Excellency the Governor had to re-
mark on them that they looked remark-
ably well, without any support or help
ever being made to help them to get it
out. One of the things I am going to
make it my business to see is that they
get roads to get out their crops that
they have there.
Any Member from the other side who
wants to oppose he is very welcome and
I hope that some of the things some of
the Members said would be put into
practice, not only in words. Because
they should realise that St. Vincent is in
a very bad way and some of them realise
that to straighten out conditions in St.
Vincent it would take a dictatorial Gov-
ernment. You will have to fall into line
with dictatorship to straighten up what
we have here.
You cant blow hot and cold at the
same time. Let us be reasonable and
let us be true and let us give the people
who really elected us a true impression
of what the present economy of the St.
Vincent government is like. There is a
task ahead of every Member and I hope
that each and every one of them will
shoulder their responsibility manfully.
On the side of production I must say
that the problems here are not simple.
A lot of them I have gone into and quite
a lot of people who own the lands find
themselves in financial difficulties to
finance the production of their crops.
Some of them say it is costing them
$25.00 per acre per annum in interest to
produce what they do produce. It is a
problem with which Ministers at this


stage have to wrestle. When you go into
some villages-you talk about production
-and you see the number of lands lying
fallow that could be made productive
but what? There are no roads. It is a
problem we have to face!
This island right now, if money could
be found for roads, could produce more
than 100% that it is producing at the
present time. But don't' come here and
try to fool the public because each and
every one of them know that the money
which they spend comes from the man
who produces. Without that there is no
money. And while one or two indivi-
duals see the money flowing some of
them don't' know where it comes from.
If we want to enter federation like a
man let us do all we can so that we
would not be at any time be fooled with
the distorted views which we hear being
expressed on many occasions.
Gentlemen, let me make this closing
remark to you. Your expenditure is
rising out of proportion to the value of
your production and we know not where
this present condition will end. Let us
go forward together and fight for one
common cause.
HON. S. E. SLATER: Mr. President, Hon-
ourable Members, I can see the Minister
for Trade and Production has made a
lovely after-dinner speech. As a matter
of fact he spoke about other Members
playing up to the gallery but I don't know
what happened a poor fellow was there-
the only one he had in the gallery-and
he left.
PRESIDENT: I take it that the Honour-
able Member is referring to the Honour-
able Member for North Windward.
HON. S. E. SLATER: I now see the
Government is coming back, Sir. (Inter-
ruption).
I would like to say that I have heard
quite a lot spoken here this morning
about this Budget and what happened.
But I don't' think there is so much ir1 it
to talk about because the whole amount
of money which was to be spend is
already exhausted and gone ....









HON. H. F. YOUNG: Sensible.
HON. S. E. SLATER: I believe though I
heard the Minister without Portfolio to
be very angry this morning-well I take
that for granted that the sexton always
has more work to do than the Ministers
to do, so it is accepted.
Honourable Members, I am saying this.
You all know that this Budget was
argued upon several times. I was told
in Finance Committee by no less a per-
son than the President that he communi-
cated with the Secretary of State several
times and never got any reply from the
Secretary of State. It happened that all
the Members got together and sent off
an official cable to the Secretary of State
which really proved successful because
after two weeks we got a reply. That
didn't mean to say that "I, I, I," as I have
been hearing all the time did everything.
I do not like these "I's". They sound
bad, they smell bad, they taste bad. I
am sure that every man walking on shoe
leather has a certain amount of horse
sense in him. Whether he can put it
out on paper or not but I believe that the
Honourable Minister for Trade and Pro-
duction possessed too many "I's". But
these "I's" never came in. All we are
asking for is production.
Since you spoke about the Administra-
tor had a right to deliver his Speech at
the Budget Session, I think that is quite
befitting, still every unofficial Member of
the Legislative Council or the Opposition
on this side would expect every Minister
to get up and give an account of his
stewardship for the period he is serving
as Minister, before this estimate was
brought here.
HON. R. E. BAYNES: That will be 1957.
HON. S. E. SLATER: You have it here
in the Estimates where you could have
spent the money; the unofficial Members
could not have everything to do or to say
because we were told the estimates for
Budget was not sent back from Colonial
Office. Therefore, the Ministers had a
right to make good use of it and spend
most of the money in their constituen-
cies because they were sitting there


while the Estimate was in the Colonial
Office.
HON. R. E. BAYNES: Every cent has to
be spent in accordance with this Esti-
mate of which the Finance Committee
has approved.
HON. S. E. SLATER: Thank you, but I
am still repeating that during the period
unofficial Members were being kept igno-
rant that the Estimates were still at the
Colonial Office the Ministers, the so-
called Government, had the right to
know what was going on inside. There-
fore, there is nothing wrong about it. I
don't blame you, you are right. But it
is true because I have 'seen it. Lots of
money have been spent in the areas con-
cerning Ministers. The Unofficial Mem-
bers had very little to do with it because
during the month of September, Council
was prorogued and Ministers had to
carry on and they had the Government
in their hands. And I have been hear-
ing "I", I believe the Minister for Trade
and Production must have done most of
it because everything is "I".
I don't want to be personal but I don't
like remarks thrown behind a man's
back. If an Honourable Member isn't
good enough, I believe it is right to do
that and another Member is trying to
consolidate, I believe it is right also to do
that but nobody expressed anything like
that. Let sleeping dogs lie and don't
throw such expressions around the
Table.
I know what to expect when I have to
deal with government because I know 8
Members of Council came in here by the
votes of the people. We were all placed
here by the people. It is so seemingly
strange to hear four of those same men
calling themselves government.....
HON. H. F. YOUNG: On a point of
order. It is a change of constitution.
It is a good point. We are the Govern-
ment because the constitution has
changed from government of assent to
consent.
PRESIDENT: The Honourable Member
has the floor. He need not give way if
he does not want to.










HON. S. E. SLATER: Anyway, assent or
consent, it is true what I am saying.
You are calling yourself government.
On several occasions you have done so
which will cause the people to believe
since they voted for you that you are
now linked up with government-no
representation for them. It is alright
for now because as I have said before
you got the leeway whereby you can get
this done and that done by the Opposi-
tion. You have made use of it, you are
right. I have also heard the President
to say I must cast my vote on Govern-
ment's side even with a late motion on
the teachers when he was called upon
by the Honourable Member for South
Windward to assist. The Honourable
.Verrber was told by the Honourable
?resident that he was bound to throw
his vote with government. The people
realise. All of them are not dead and
will not be -ead for a long time, not all
of t-.em. I have heard so much mean-
dering and fencing about this and that
-what I can do and what I cannot do.
I don't think that's the right approach.
I believe every man has a right to
make a living but it depends on what
side of the fence he makes it. Some
might like politics, some might like "I".
Nevertheless, I do believe it's man's right
to r ake a living. Since that is so I
don'L think it is right to cause too many
distortions against our Members. We
came here this morning to listen.......
HON. J. A. BAYNES: TOO many inter-
ruptions.
PRESIDENT: It is being done in West-
minster at all hours.
HON. S. E. SLATER: I came here to
listen to what? I miust sny another
stereotyped Budget -peech which was
quite true. But whe.. I thought I was
going to hear from L,,e Ministers some-
thing about it, they ,of,: us all in dark-
ness and never explained an-ything more
than studying the gallery a: d being sorry
that nobody is there io hear what "I"
am saying all sorts of things but I be-
lieve Mr. Ministers, you sitting there
have a right to see that your Govern-


ment operates right. First things first
and priority must follow its line, not
skipping and jumping over the fence
when there is something to be done.
You have a right to take care of the
facts but what I am being told whenever
I approach any Minister is that there is
no money.-
Even the Estimates. I asked about the
Estimates, the Ministers don't know.
As far as I am concerned I believe you
all have taken a good beating. You have
been used to the hilt and you are defend-
ing yourselves as a good cause, and for
that you want to throw aspersions and
say the Opposition and Oppositionists
are attacking you. Why? Because you
are guilty.
HONOURABLE H. F. YOUNG: "Seek and
ye shall find".
HONOURABLE S. E. SLATER: For that I
don't think I should prolong the agony
any longer because I have given enough
food for thought for "I". I thank you.

DOCUMENTS LAID
The following papers were laid on the,
Table:-
Council Paper No. 42 of 1956: Notes
on the Activities and working of Gov-
ernment Departments for the year
1955.

BILLS, FIRST READING
The Appropriation (1956) Bill was read
a first time.

BILLS, SECOND READING
Certificate of Urgency in respect of the
Appropriation (1956) Bill was laid on
the Table and the Bill was read a Second
time.
HONOURABLE L. C. LATHAM: Mr. Presi-
dent, Honourable Members, I take a very
dim view of passing this Bill now. Ac-
cording to the rules of the Legislative
Council a Member or Official or otherwise
who sits around this Table has to be
,sworn in. I observed on the 4th of this
month a Gentleman just came around










this Table and sat and I question my
Colleagues. I took him for Mr. Langley
Punnett but on the second glance when I
made enquiries I understood he was the
Financial Secretary. And I have looked
with close scrutiny around this Table
and I have seen things that went on,
they have advocated for a Deputy Presi-
dent of the Council, I have seen him
balloting-he wasn't sworn in. I don't
know what's the matter. He was never
sworn in at this Table and I have been
waiting for the chance but I couldn't
get a chance to say something. I don't
know if it slipped the President but I
have been just waiting to find out if he
wasn't sworn in if he will be able to move
any motion regarding this Bill.
PRESIDENT: The Honourable Members
has taken the Oath of Office, the Oath of
Loyalty to the Queen and the Oath of
Executive Council and, according to the
latest Patent, even had he done none of
these things he would still be covered by
any action he took as Official Member of
this House.
HONOURABLE H. F. YOUNG: My friend
on the Opposition, my very good friend,
must realise that before the Members
who are sitting here became Members of
the Executive Council they had to be
voted for around this Table. Just as our
constitution put us here. And it is from
democracy that we went into Executive
Council representing you and also our
constituency. Therefore we gave the
Oath of Office already.
HONOURABLE J. A. BAYNES: Mr. Presi-
dent, Honourable Gentlemen, I have lis-
tened to an outline by the President
which commonsense tells me, irrespec-
tive of what is read from any Letters
Patent, that your Executive Council is
a branch of your Legislative Council.
Every Member chosen from the people,
voted for as such, becomes a representa-
tive of the people around this Table and
these Members must at the opening of
the first meeting of the Legislative
Council be vote Members from this Coun-
cil to your Executive Council. That
alone tells me that your Executive Coun-


Scil is a branch of this Legislative Coun-
cil. And when the Oath is taken there
without the knowledge of the Legisla-
tive Council I say, I might be wrong,
subject to correction that it is ultra
vires.

HONOURABLE R. E. BAYNES: Mr. Presi-
dent, Honourable Members, I think quite
a number of my colleagues are looking
at this matter from a retrograde point
of view. In any constituency, the Offi-
cial side is not in the true sense regard-
ed in the same light as the Unofficial
Side who is elected and even the Nomi-
nated Element are elected here to repre-
sent certain specified interests. We in
the British Caribbean right now are
opposed to both the Nominated and the
Official being in the Legislative Council.
When they come in here they come in
here as representing the administration
which is paradoxical to what you call
advanced constitution in the line of
Caribbean development. And what we
argue here is something which in my
opinion is a retrograde step. He is on
the Official Side, he is not in the same
category as you and me and other Mem-
bers here. On matters which the Official
Side has voted Members of the Elected
Side can oppose it. That is a fact.
Only that we sit down here and allow it
to happen. That is how it is run.

HONOURABLE A. C. CYRUS: Mr. Presi-
dent, Honourable Members, mine is
purely an academic argument. I don't
know who is right from who is wrong but
I have been here long enough and I have
observed the fact that when you have a
new clerk he is sworn in. And regard-
less of whether it is an Official who comes
to a colony, Government lets them take
the Oath at this Table. Mark you, I
want it quite clearly understood, I am
not against you elucidating this point
and enlightening us. As the President
has said according to the new Letters
Patent it is quite in order. That is
education for me and I am prepared to
learn; but don't try to redicule a stand
taken by the Member, because in the
past it is something that was done here










and I reiterate that the very Governor
has taken the Oath here. So if this is
an amendment which we have all agreed
to, but we may have forgotten-those
Members of Government who happen to
'be there all along they might be quite
up to the last moment-then I quite
agree. But to me I think it is quite a
sensible point and if you can add eluci-
date the point I think then we would go
out wiser men than we came in. But it
is not by any means a silly point. Be-
cause from now on I would know that
anybody can come in and take the Oath
of Executive Council without any regard
to the Legislature as constituted here
around this Table.

HONOURABLE R. E. BAYNES: Name me
one Financial Secretary who took the
Oath of Office here around this Table.

HONOURABLE A. C. CYRUS: Perhaps
this is a precedent because we have had
in 1953-when we came in here who was
the Colonial Treasurer?
MEMBER: Archer.
HONOURABLE A. C. CYRUS: Mr. Archer.
Everybody took the Oath of Office. This
is a new Financial Secretary who came
in the middle of the stream.
(Interruption).
As I said, Mr. President, this is purely
an academic argument and I am pre-
pared to ask now for some back Minutes
of the Legislative Council so that I can
verify that-Mr. Johnson took the Oath
here when he came representing the
Financial Secretary, didn't he?

MEMBERS: NO.

HON. A. C. CYRus: It looks to me as
if Members of the Government are so
loyal one to the other that everybody
gives one shake of the head, right at
one time and left at the other time. I
am going to say I shall only accept that
when I see something in ti-e Minutes
that tells me that Mr. Johnson who
came here and deputised as Treasurer
was not sworn in.


PRESIDENT: Honourable Members, I
didn't propose to intervene again. As
President I had no intention-I certain-
ly haven't got it and I don't read it into
the remarks of the Honourable Members
on my right-to ridicule the intervention
that was made by the Honourable Mem-
ber. All we said was that it was per-
fectly in order for the Honourable Finan-
cial Secretary to take his seat today;
take his seat at the last sitting of the
Legislative Council and to speak in de-
bates and to move the passing of Bills.
As I explained that is in order by the
Oath he has taken. I am quite clear in
my own memory in this House in the
short year that I have been here. I
have seen Mr. Johnson occupying that
chair; I have seen Mr. Glasgow sitting in
the chair on my right and there\ was
never a question of the Oath in this
House. Though they did take the Oath
of Allegiance and the Oath of Executive
Council before they acted on ariy of
these occasions. But it is a matter of
importance; it is a mateer which reflects
on the prestige of this House and as the
Honourable Members has raised the ques-
tion, I am perfectly prepared to go into
it and see whether it should be the
practice that the oath is taken here in
addition to any others.
I say now that the Honourable Mem-
ber is thoroughly in order in sitting here
today and in speaking because he has
taken the other prescribed Oaths and he
is covered by a special clause in the
Letters Patent which says even if you
make a mistake in the procedure it is
still valid, which is very fortunate Te-
cause we are all very fallible but I cer-
tainly agree and that it is a matter
which affects, the prestige of the House,
let us have a ruling one way or the other
as far as St. Vincent is concerned and
decide what is to be done.
HONOURABLE J. A. BAYBIES: I take it
that in the past......
PRESIDENT: Is the Honourable Mem-
ber making a speech?
HONOURABLE J. A. BAYNES: NO, no. I
take it that in the past that it is known






















to this House that Mr. Glasgow who hap-
pened to be the Senior Magistrate in the
absence of the Crown Attorney automa-
tically takes his place tut I put it to you
that Mr. Thomas is a completely new
Member to the Civil Service and when
he comes in here let us assume, for argu-
ment's sake, that you ha brought in
somebody else other than Mr. Thomas
and say well sit here....
PRESIDENT: In disguise.
HONOURABLE J. A. BAYNES: In disguise,
then you would have been forced to
accept it also.
PRESIDENT: Not unless he has taken
the Oath of Allegiance and the Oath of
Executive Council.
HONOURABLE S. E. SLATER: Mr. Presi-
dent,
P-TSIENT: Is this a speech or a
quc-tion?
HONOURABLE S. E. SLATER: Could be
both. I believe since the Governor took
his Oath as Member of the Executive


Council and he also took his Oath here
in this House.....

PRESIDENT: As a Head of Government,
not as Member of Executive Council.
HONOURABLE S. E. SLATER: He took his
Oath in this House and he took his Oath
as Member of the Executive Council I
believe it is right that Mr. Thomas in the
presence of the other Members should
take his Oath here too.

PRESIDENT: AS I said, I am perfectly
prepared to go into the procedure as that
is the honour of the House.
HONOURABLE L. C. LATHAM: The case
for the prosecution.
Council moved into Committee.
Council resumed.
Bill reported without amendment and
report adopted.
Bill read a third time and passed.


4.15 p.m. Sitting adjourned.














SAINT VINCENT.

Report of the Registrar of Co-operative .Societies for the Period
1st June, 1958 to 31st December, 1959.


INTRODUCTION:
The period covered by this Report is from the 1st June 1958-the date
upon which the Division was established under the Department of Agriculture
-until 31st December 1959. As this is the first Report of the Division it may
be useful to give some background information.
2. Prior to the establishment of the Division there had been some co-
operative activity stimulated by groups of co-operative minded persons at
various times. This resulted in the formation of some co-operative societies,
notably a civil servants' credit union which was operated in conjunction with
a consumers' society and two agricultural transport societies. These societies
failed owing to lack of proper direction, management and co-operative know-
ledge. They also had no legal structure as they existed before enactment of
the Co-operative Societies Ordinance in 1954 which made it possible for bona
fide co-operative groups to obtain legal incorporation.
3. After the passing of the Co-operative Societies Ordinance in 1954 the
first Registrar appointed was Mr. A. V. Sprott who was succeeded by Mr. J. V.
Alves. The office of Registrar was combined in both cases with that of the
office of Public Relations and Local Government and there was no field staff
provided. As a consequence of this it was not possible to undertake any real
supervision of societies which were registered and to carry out co-operative
education and training to any great extent as only a little time could be devoted
to this work.
4. The Division was established by the aid of a grant of 3,500 ($16,800)
made to the Government of St. Vincent under Colonial Development and Wel-
fare Scheme D-3182. For the first fourteen months of the early life of the
Division the staff consisted only of a Registrar who combined both the duties
of an administrative officer in establishing the Division and that of a co-opera-
tive officer in carrying out co-operative field work. Valuable assistance, how-
ever, was given by members of the staff of the Department of Agriculture. In
August 1959, a temporary clerical assistant was added to the Division and in
October of the same year th? staff was further strengthened by an assistant
co-operative field officer.
5. Activity during the period under review was directed primarily towards
the following matters:-
(1) Establishing the foundation of a Co-operative Department.
(2) The consolidation of societies which were previously registered by:-
(a) Auditing the available records of societies.
(b) Setting up uniform accounting systems and proper records.
(c) Drafting model bye-laws and redrafting existing ones where
necessary to bring them in line with true co-operative principles
and practices and in accordance with the Co-operative Societies
Ordinance and the Regulations.
(d) Training officers of societies to keep and maintain the necessary
accounting and statutory records.
(e) Carrying out co-operative education among members of societies.
(3) Advising and assisting unregistered groups to develop themselves
to the stage where registration eo~ld 'be considered.

PART I-GENERAL PROGRESS:

6. The numibtr of societies on the Register at 31st December 1959, was L12,
with assets totalling approximately $37,533. These are all primary societies.
7. The following table shows the types of societies in existence at 31st
December 1959, with their membership, share capital, deposits and reserve funds.

















Shares & Reserve
Classification No. Membership Deposits Funds


Thrift & Credit
(a) Credit Unions ..
*(b) Other .. 1 8 946 21,936 779

Marketing .. 2 114 2,157 1,170
Fishermen .. 2 42 157 181

12 1,102 i 24,250 2,130
Originally classified as a multi-purpose society.

STAFF:
8. The staff of the Division at the end of 1959 consisted of the following:-
1 Registrar of Co-operative Societies
1 Assistant Co-operative Field Officer
1 Temporary Clerical Assistant.

9. The cost of the Division up to 31st December 1959, was $10,679 allocated
as follows:-

Personal Other
Emoluments Charges
$ $
(a) Government of St. Vincent .. 486 50
(b) C.D. & W. Grant 8,128 8,015

8,614 2,065


AUDIT AND SUPERVISION FUND:-
10. No contributions have yet been made to this fund by registered
societies and no audit fees have been charged to them.


PART II-THRIFT AND CREDIT:

11. There are eight Thrift and Credit Societies registered with limited
liability. Of these 7 are Credit Unions with withdrawable share capital and
one with shares which are transferable but which may be withdrawn at maturity.
These societies were organised around the community and cater for the wage-
earner as well as the peasant farmer. They are located in both urban and
rural areas.
12. Loans issued by these societies during the year 1959 amounted to
$12,655 and repayments were $8,624. At 31st December 1959, loans outstanding
totalled $14,458 of which, approximately $5,172 was overdue. All the loans
issued were short-term loans.


PART III-THRIFT:

13. There are no societies registered under the Co-operative Societies
Ordinance which are solely engaged in thrift. There are however, two unregis-
tered school savings groups. The children save small weekly sums of money
which are given back to them when they leave school. Savings in these groups at
31st December 1959, amounted to approximately $140.













3

PART IV-CENTRAL FINANCE:
14. There is no Co-operative Central Bank in St. Vincent through which
loans are channelled to co-operative societies. Loans are, however, made avail-
able by Government to registered fishermen's co-operative societies for the
purchase of fishing gears, boats and engines. Up to 31st December 1959, loans
totalling $11,900 were made by Government to co-operative societies as follows:-
Fishermen .. $7,000
Marketing .. 4,900

PART V-CONSUMER SOCIETIES:

15. There are no registered consumer societies. The advantages of con-
sumer co-operation are not yet fully realized and there is no real pressingnead
for the establishment of such societies at present.

16. Co-operative organisation along consumer lines is not being pursued
until a greater appreciation of co-operatives is evidenced among the people and
the Co-operative Division is better geared to undertake this task.

PART VI-PRODUCERS, MARKETING & PROCESSING SOCIETIES:

17. The Rose. Hall and Biabou Arrowroot Co-operative Societies comprise
the two primary processing and marketing societies in the island. These
societies were more concerned with the processing of growers' roots and the
marketing end has been neglected. Members are, however, gradually realising the
need for undertaking this phase of their operations. The Rose Hall Society
has its own factory. With regard to the Biabou Society, members' roots are
processed at a Government operated factory.

18. During the 1958/59 crop year approximately 29,158 baskets of arrow-
root averaging 2,915,800 lbs. were processed at these two factories on behalf of
growers. Of this quantity, approximately 12,396 baskets represent members'
deliveries which when processed into starch valued approximately $27,900.

PART VII-OTHER SOCIETIES:

CRAFTMEN'S SOCIETIES:
19. There are no craftmen's societies.

WOMEN'S SOCIETIES:
20. There are no societies the membership of which is confined only to
women.

FISHERMEN'S SOCIETIES:
21. The number of these societies was two with a total membership of 42
and share capital amounting to $157. These societies are designed to combine con-
sumer and marketing activities.

22. The operations of these societies over the period were very limited due
to the fact that one, the Bequia Fishermen's Co-operative Society Limited, was
only registered in June of 1959, and the other the Barrouallie Fishermen's
Co-operative Society Limited was being re-organized.

The Barrouallie society showed a net surplus of $314.08 at the end of 1959
through trading in sperm oil and whale oil.

23. The following table shows loans made to these societies by Govern-















TRANSPORT SOCIETIES:
24. There are no registered transport co-operative societies. The need for
properly organised transport societies throughout the island is apparent.
Two unregistered agricultural transport co-operative societies at Troumaea and
Rbse IHall respectively, through mismanagement and lack of co-operative know-
ledge, failed to provide the services for which they were organized. This has
tended to retard progress in this type of co-operative.

PART VIII-CO-OPERATIVE EDUCATION & PROPAGANDA:
25. The Co-operative Division is the official body responsible both for the
promotion of co-operative societies and for their registration, inspection and
supervision. The Division has also been engaged in the audit of the accounts
of. societies:
There is a lack of trained personnel to manage the societies and the Divi-
sion will have to provide continuous education and training facilities.

SiflINARS :
26. Two co-operative seminars each of 2 days' duration were held during the
year 1959 for members of societies, one from the 21-22 March and the other
from 5-6 December. Assisting at these Seminars were Mr. R. C. Gates, F.A.O.
Agricultural Co-operatives Expert on assignment to the Caribbean Commission
and Mr. P. A. Roach, Senior Co-operative Officer, Trinidad and Tobago Govern-
ment, on secondment to the Caribbean Commission.

PIFMS:-
27. With the co-operation of the Public Relations Department, many films on
co-operation were shown to co-operative societies as well as the general public.

PUBihciTY:
'28. Publicity was given to Co-operatives through the media of the press,
radio" and posters.

INTERNATIONAL CREDIT UNION AND CO-OPERATIVE DAi :
29. International Credit Union Day and International Co-operative Day were
celebrated for the first time in St. Vincent in October 1958 and again in 1959.
These celebrations had the effect of bringing co-operators together in one body
from many parts of the island. Addresses on the value of the social and eco-
nomic aspects of co-operation were delivered.

PART IX-MISCELLANEOUS:
AUDIT AND SUPERVISION:
30. Audits of all registered societies for the years 1958 and 1959 were per-
formed by the Division. The audits for 1958 had to be performed single-handedly
by the- Registrar and those for 1959 were done by him with the assistance of the
Assistant Co-operative Field Officer. The auditing of societies has consequently
occupied a considerable portion of the Registrar's time to the detriment of work
of a development nature. There has been improvement in the general standard
of book-keeping and record keeping since training has been carried out among
officers of societies, but' there is still much room for further improvement.
All registered societies were inspected fairly regularly during the period and
significant improvement was observed in the management of- societies.

ARBITATION :
31. No arbitration of cases were dealt with during this period.

REGISTRATION AND LIQUIDATION:
32. Societies registered during this period consisted of:-
Thrift and Credit (limited liability) .. .. 2
Marketing and Processing .. .. .. 2
Fishermen .. .. .. 1

5


%e+re were no liquidatioih.-






















CONCLUSION :
33. Since the creation of the Co-operative Division in June 1958, societies
which were in existence prior to this period have taken on a new lease of life.
Groups which were struggling and required registration were given the necessary
assistance and advice and were registered.
34. The Division by co-operative education and training in methods and
techniques along with its inspection services, though limited, has encouraged
membership confidence which has resulted in increased membership and savings
in certain cases.
35. My thanks are due to those members of the staff of the Division'and of
the Department of Agriculture and also to those co-operative minded persons
and other departments of government for their help and co-operation during this
period.
36. Attached to this report is an appendix showing the assets and liabilities
of societies as at 31st December 1959.

V. P. SMART,
Registrar of Co-operative Societies,
Saint Vincent.
23rd May, 1960.













STATEMENT SHOWING THE FINANCIAL POSITION OF CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETIES AS AT 31ST DECEMBER 1959


ASSETS


No. of Type of Member- Cash Loans Fixed Other Net Total
Societies Societies ship Balances Assets Assets Deficit Assets

2 Marketing .. 114 $ 1,020.66 $ $ 6,729.15 $ $ 7,749.81
2 Fishermen's .. 42 5,184.76 841.00 165.67 6,191.43
7 Credit Union .. 558 3,035.69 5,357.88 623.41 i 230.39 1.09 9,248.46
1 Thrift & Credit .. 388 4,434.87 9,100.60 807.45 14,342.92

12 1,102 13,675.98 15,299.48 8,160.01 396.06 1.09 37,532.62




LIABmIITIS

Other Re-
No. of Type of Share Statutory serves & Sundry Net Other Total
Societies Societies Capital Deposits Reserve Undistri- Creditors Surplus* Liabilities Liabilities
Fund buted
surplus
Marketing .. $ 2,156.84 $ $ 1,150.61 $2,018.34 $ 600.00 $ 1,824.02 $ $ 7,749.81
Fishermen's .. 157.00 82.27 98.76 5,653.47 199.93 6,191.43
Credit Union 8,132.26 540.15 224.53 10:3.90 165.47 82.15 9,248.46
Thrift & Credit .. 12,993.50 269.66 213.39 242.18 430.59 193.60 14,342.92

23,439.60 809.81 1,670.80 2,463.18 6,253.47 2,620.01 275.75 37,532.62

Surpluses shown are less 25% already set aside to Reserve Fund in accordance with the Co-operative Societies Ordinance.




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