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SAINT VINCENT


GOVERNMENT GAZE ITE





VOL. 84.] SAINT VINCENT, TUESDAY, 19 JUNE, 1951. [No. 32.


GOVERNMENT NOTICES.

No. 291.
CIVIL SERVICE ORGANISATION-SAFEGUARDS.

Published hereunder for general information is a copy of a despatch dated
19th December, 1950, addressed by the Secretary of State for the Colonies to the
Governor of the Gold Coast on the subject of the safeguards for the Civil Service
under the new constitution which has recently been introduced in that territory.

COLONIAL OFFICE,
31499/10/50 The Church House,
Great Smith Street,
GOLD COAST London, S.W.1.
19th December, 1950.
No. 492
Sir,
I have for some time past been giving close consideration, in consultation with
yourself, to the position of the Civil Service under the new constitution in the
Gold Coast. In his despatch of the 14th October, 1949, which conveyed to you the
views of His Majesty's Government on the report of the Committee on
Constitutional Reform, my predecessor referred to the heavy burden which the
introduction of the new constitution and of the changes proposed in local and
regional government would place on all branches and grades of the Civil Service;
but neither in that despatch nor in the report of the Committee itself, concerned
as they were with broad constitutional proposals, was the position of the Civil
Service examined in any detail. It is, however, beyond argument that a public
service which is impartial, efficient and contented will be essential to the successful
working of the new constitution.
2. I was therefore particularly glad to read the following passage in the
report of the Select Committee of the Legislative Council which enquired into the
Africanisation of the Public Service-a report which was endorsed by the
Legislative Council itself :-
"In the unmapped territory into which, by reason of the recommendations
of the Committee on Constitutional Reform the people of the Gold Coast are
now advancing, there will undoubtedly be found difficulties of a nature not
hitherto encountered. That these hazards will be surmounted we are





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164 SAINT VINCENT, TUESDAY, 19 JUNE, 1951.-(No. 32).


certain, just as we believe that the country's progress will be accelerated if
they can be foreseen, and so anticipated.. One such difficulty, and one
relevant to our present enquiry, is the status of the Civil Service under the
new Constitution.. For the first time a ministerial system is to be introduced,
with political issues assuming new proportions. Ministers will no doubt
come and go, while the Civil Service must, ideally, remain the servant of
them all, aloof from the political arena and uninfluenced by the fear or
favour of rival politicians or parties.
Only in this.way, as we believe, can the Gold Coast retain a Civil Service
which will be capable of serving, not one man or one -party, but the whole
interests of the country as a. whole. We therefore contemplate that early
steps should be taken ,to ensure that the control:of the Civil Service is
withdrawn coirpletely irom the world of politics."
'These are wise and timely words. They reflect not only the tradition which has
been built up over a long period in this country and has the support of all parties,
but also the intention of African opinion that the same tradition shall be
established and maintained as the Gold Coast advances to self-government.
3. To secure that the public service is free from political influence it is
necessary that the machinery for first appointments, promotions and discipline
should be kept entirely outside politics :and that the body which operates this
machinery should be recognized as impartial and authoritative and should enjoy
the confidence of the service itself and of the general public. It is equally
,essential if the members of the public service: are to perform their duties
efficiently, that they should enjoy security of tenure, that the material conditions
of service (emoluments of officers, their housing, leave and passage conditions and
their pensions) should be safeguarded, and that there -should be- machinery, for
makingng such improvements in conditions of service as may be necessary from.
titne .to time. There are basic necessities for the effective operation of the public
.service in any country.
4. These principles must apply in the Gold Coast both to the Senior and
Junior branches of the service. They must apply to the local staffs who, under
the declared policy of Africanisation, will increasingly be filling posts in all
branches of the Senior service as suitably qualified Africans come forward .from:
the higher educational institutions of the Gold Coast or from courses of training
in this country and elsewhere. They must apply equally to the expatriate staff,
on whom, as the Select Committee-concluded-after a comprehensive enquiry, "in
so.far as the foreseeable future- is concerned the Gold- Coast will have -to depend in
no,small measure:". The expatriate .staff is selected for appointment by the
Secretary of State or under his authority. Most of the.men and-women.appointed'
in this:wvay are members of the Colonial, Service, a body which has built up a high
tradition over a long period and is the source on which the Gold Coast must
-continue to rely in the. future for the majority of its outside recruitment. I am
anxious that it shall be in..a position to render the same service to the people-of
the Gold' Cast for iany years to come as it has done in the past in dealing with
the m ,ar, p:'o1lems which face the country. But if it is to do so, the expatriate
staff,'like the local staff, must enjoy material conditions of service which-are fair
and. adequate. It. is. reasonable also that the expatriate staff, who have been
selected by the Secretary of State or under his authority, should look to him to
ensure that these material conditions are maintained and when necessary,
improved and that the traditions of public service as they know them are kept in
being.: The Secretaryof- State therefore has a special responsibility towards, the,
expatriate:staff; but it is not to be implied'-from this that there is any intention,,
om-indeed any need, to establish a procedure, for the purpose of safeguarding, the.
public service, which is different for. expatriate staff than for local staff. In
speaking of the public -service in this -dspatch I am therefore referring. to the
service -as a.whole.
5. To secure that the public service is entirely free from all political influence'
it is laid down in the Order in Council that the appointment, transfer, promotion,
dismissal and disciplinary control of public officers are vested in the Governor
atting.in his discretion although subject to the ultimate authority of the Secretary
of. S taie. The -Order also provides for the establishment .of a Public Service
Commission, which will advise the Governor on the selection of local candidates
for- appointment to the service, on promotion and transfer on disciplinary
questions and oh any other matter affecting the public service' which the Governor
may refer to it. The Commission will be an entirely non-political body outside
and independent of the Legislature or of Ministerial control. Its members will be
appointed by the Governor acting in. his discretion.
6. Inow come to the question of material conditions of service, which, as I
have already said, has two aspects; fair and adequate conditions must be
maintained and. not be subject to deterioration owing to unjustifiable political
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,conditions of service when they are justified. With regard to the former, it is, I
unlde~stanldyourarinrittion ttaski'foi:the ~advice'ofitlihb'PUbli.ti;?rvide Commission-'
on any propdsal-whioht wohuldtfhave theteffedteofl altering .exiting-'oonditions- of.:
.service. Lam in.,ulLagreement. withthis and.tr.ust. that.it .will,be establishedcas
an invariable practice that'neithe" the Execitive Council nor the Legislative
Assembly will commit itself to an yalteratibhsil.in t'~r- of service until the Public
Service Commission has considered the matter. I say this with due regard to the
power of financial control and supply, which the Legislative Assembly must
exercise; but this power should i'ot operat'' -b'Way'f 'rbitr'ary interference with
the conditionsiofatndividUals:er grades of the public service, and I hope that, out of
respect for the strong reasons of public interest which are involved, members of
the new Legislative Assembly will be ready to exercise the same restraint in
discussing such matters as is exercised;'by,,Parli'iihenf"' in relatior-rto-- the civil
service in this country. I have, however, thought it necessary inithe discharge of
my special and personal responsibility as Secretary of State to advise-that,
provision shall be made in the Order in Council, on similar lines to the provision
previously made in Ceylon, that no bill or motion, affecting the conditions of
.service of a public officer shall be introduced in the Legislative Assembly without
the sanction of the Governor acting in his discretion; and further that no bill or
motion, which in the opinion of'the Governor acting in his discretion is to the
prejudice of.a.; public, officer,: shall.take effect 'until it has been approved by the
Secretary of :State. Provision is.,also made in the, Order to, preserve existing
pension rights and, to secure that, if any changes in pensions, etc; are made in the
future, the pension, rights of :officers serving at the time of any such changes are
in no way reduced.
7. There -remains the second aspect of the question, that of obtaining,
.improvements, in conditions of' service when they are justified. Since any
improvement must normally involve an increase in- expenditure, it is, I understand,'
.your. intention that proposals for any such' improvements put forward, on the
advice of the Public Service Commission should be considered by the Executive
Council in their broad financial; aspects before being referred, again in their -broad
financial aspects, to the Legislative. Assembly tin the exercise of its: powers of
budgetary control. I should hope that the authority of the Public Service
-Commission would be such that any proposal which the Governor put .forward on
their advice would carry the utmost weight, and- would. normally command
acceptance with the Executive Council and the Legislative Assembly. But a
situation might arise in which a proposal put forward: on the advice of the
Commission for an improvement in terms of service which the' Governor
thought necessary was unable to obtain acceptance because of opposition
.either in the Executive Council or in the Legislative Assembly. If in. such.
a case the Governor thought it essential to proceed with such a proposal, I should
expect him to consult with the Secretary of State before a decision, was made as to
the further action to be taken, and indeed he would be bound under the
constitution to do this-before using his reserve powers if he was in disagreement
with the majority of the Executive Council. I should hope that normally any such
differences of opinion would be satisfactorily settled in the Gold Coast by
consultation between, the Governor, the Executive Council and the Legislative
Assembly. But. if on any occasion it became necessary to bring the. Secretary of
State into consultation,.I should conceive it to be his duty, having regard to his
.special responsibility towards the-public service, to take such steps as might be
necessary, perhaps by discussion: between himself or his representative and
representatives of the Executive Council and the Legislative Assembly, with a view
to reaching an agreed solution on the matter. In the event, which I think would
very rarely, if. ever, occur, of agreement not being reached and the Secretary of
State deciding that effect, must' be given to the change in conditions of service
prcpcsed, the reserve powers would, be invoked for that purpose not on the
Governor's sole responsibility but with the express authority of the Secretary of
State himself.
8. I wish to make it clear that in the immediately preceding paragraphs of
this despatch I have been discussing what I hope and believe will be remote
contingencies. The need for a public service, expatriate and African alike, which
.is set apart from and protected against political influence and interference and is
adequately remunerated is widely recognized in the Gold Coast and I am confident
that experience will show that it can be safely left to the public spirit of all
concerned to see that the service is enabled to carry out its duties according to
long standing traditions. But, as the Select Committee of the Legislative Council
has remarked in the passage which I have quoted, we are advancing into
unmapped territory". In this advance the best guide will be harmonious
co-cperation between Ministers, legislators and public servants based on mutual
respect for rights and duties. I think it opportune, however, at this time, when
the new constitution is being introduced, that everyone should know what I













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conceive to be my responsibilities as Secretary of State in regard to the public
service in the Gold Coast and the way in which I intend to discharge them.
9. I shall be glad if you will arrange for this despatch to be published.
I have the honour to be,
Sir,
Your most obedient, humble servant,
(Sgd.) J. GRIFFITHS.
GOVERNOR
SIR CHARLES ARDEN-GLARKE, K.C.M.G.,
ETC., etc., etc.,
16th June, 1951.
W 30/48


No. 292.


CIVIL SERVICE SALARIES AND
TERMS OF SERVICE, WINDWARD
ISLANDS.


In the Governor's address to the
Grenada Legislature on 14th December,
1950, it was announced that an Organi-
sation and Methods Survey of Govern-
ment Departments was about to be
undertaken by an Efficiency Expert from
H. M. Treasury, and that a revision of
salaries of Civil Servants would follow.
The Organisation and Methods Survey
began in St. Vincent early this year.
On the advice of the Efficiency Expert
and the approval of the Secretary of
State, His Excellency has now arranged
for an enquiry to be made into salaries
and other conditions of service of Civil
Servants in the four Colonies of the
Windward Islands. This Enquiry will
proceed concurrently with the Organi-
sation and Methods Survey.
A further announcement will be made
with respect t3 the appointment of a
Commissioner to undertake the Enquiry.
19th June, 1951.
(A. 47/1947).


No. 293.
LEAVE NOTICES.

The Honourable E. A. C. HUGHES has
been granted ten days' Irave of absence
from the L'g-islative Council with effect
from 19th June, 1951.
l9th June, 1951.
(A. 31/1948).

No. 294.
EXTENSION OF LEAVE.

With reforience to Government Notice
No. 41. of 23rd Janiuary, 1951, Mrs.
I. D. B. CHARLES one month's extension
of le:ive witliot pay, with effect from
16th June. 1951.
19th June, 1951.
(P.F. 5).


No. 295.
THE LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL
(ELECTIONS) ORDINANCE, 1951.

With reference to Government Notice
No. 211 of 8th May, 1951, the following
change which has been made in the list
of the names of enumerators for the
Electoral District of South Leeward is
published for general information:-
In polling division No. 7, Camden
Park etc., substitute "'Mr. CYRIL VEIRA"'
for Mr. DENVILLE LOCKHART".
19th June, 1951.
(J. 26/1950).


No. 296.
CORRECTION NOTICE.

1946 CENSus REPORT, WINDWARD
ISLANDS.

It is notified for general information
that copies of the Census of the Wind-
ward Islands (Part H) of 9th April, 1946
are available for sale at the Government
Office, Kingstown, at the price of 84c.
per copy. No copies of Part A (the
General Report) are available for sale as
previously notified in error.
[This Notice supersedes Government
Notice No. 286 of 12th June, 1951 which must
be regarded as cancelled].
19th June 1951.
(Conf. 16/47).


No. 297.
LEGISLATION.

The following documents are publish-
ed with this issne of the Gazette:--
S.R.& O. No. 55.-The La\ou Town
Bo;rdl (Traders' Rates) By-Laws..
(D. 6/49 (C).

S.R. & O. No. 5(.-The Villa Airport
Regulations, 1951.
(Q. 9.1951).


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S.R. & O. No. 57.-The Post Office
(Amendment No. 4) Regulations,
1951.
(Q. 10/1947)

S.R. & O. No. 58.-The Currency Re-
strictions and Travellers Exemp-
tions (Amendment) Order, 1951.
(S. 6/1949.)

S.R. & O.No. 59.-The Prices Control
( Amendment No. 22 ) Notice,
1951.
(T. 20/1949).

S.R. & 0. No. 60.-The Legislative
Council (Remuneration of Elec-
tion Officers) (Amendment) Rules,
1951.
(J. 26/1950).
19th June, 1951.



No. 298.
SUPPLEMENTS TO GAZETTE.

The Balance Sheet of the St. Vincent
Agricultural Credit and Loan Bank,
Ltd., for the year 1950 is published with
this issue of the Gazette.
19th June, 1951.

No. 299.
Copies of minutes of meeting of the
Legislative Council held on the 7th
December, 1950, which may also be seen
at the Government Office, Kingstown Li-
brary, and at all Revenue Offices and
District Post Offices, are published with
this issue of the Gazette.
19th June, 1951.



No. 285.
DEMONETISATION OF CERTAIN
POSTAGE STAMPS.

It is notified for general information
that, in accordance with the provisions
of the Post Office (Amendment No. 3)
Regulations, 1951, (S.R. & O. No. 49 of
1951), which were published in the
Government Gazette of 5th June, 1951,
stamps issued in St. Vincent in the
reign of His Majesty KING GEORGE the
Fifth and during the year 1937 to com-
memorate the Coronation of His Majesty
KING GEORGE the Sixth, will not be
valid, after 31st July, 1951, for the
payment of postage on stamp duties.
12th June, 1951.
(940/1939); *


No. 287.
UNIVERSITY COLLEGE OF THE
WEST INDIES.

(DEPARTMENT OF PATHOLOGY)

Lederle Research Fellowship in Yaws.

Applications are invited from regis-
tered medical practitioners for the above
Fellowship, which is tenable for one year
at a salary of 800. The Fellow will work
under the direction of the Professor of
Pathology on the clinical, pathological
and the rapentic aspects of Yaws, includ-
ing field work and animal experiments.
Travelling expenses both to and from Ja-
maica will be paid. The duties will begin
at a date to be arranged with the Profes-
sor of Pathology, from whom further par-
ticulars can be obtained.
Applications should be sent to the Reg-
istrar, University College of the West In-
dies, Mona, St. Andrew, Jamaica, B.W.I.
by July 14th, 1951.
11th June, 1951.
(A 256/47)

By Command,


BERNARD GIBBS,
Government Secretary.

GOVERNMENT OFFICE,
19th June, 1951.




DEPARTMENTAL AND
OTHER NOTICES.

PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT NOTICE.

NOTICE is hereby given that there will
be put up for sale by public auction at
the Mart of Mr. H. A. DAVIS, Auction-
eer, at 1.30 o'clock in the afternoon of
Wednesday, 20th June, 1951, the under-
mentioned articles:-
15 Ice Cream Glasses
37 Cocktail Glasses
14 Champagne Glasses
18 Liqueur Glasses
13 Wine Glasses
22 Sherry Glasses.

G. A. GRANT,
Superintendent of Works.

PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT,
ST. VINCENT,
6th June, 1951.
(A. 47/1950).


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SAINT VINCENT, TUESDAY, 19 JUNE, 1951.--(No. 32).


SAINT VINCENT. .
IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE
WINDWARD ISLANDS AND
LEEWARD ISLANDS.
S(Original Jurisdiction)
A.D. 1949.

Suit No. 36.
Between
BEATRICE FRASER, Admin-
tratrix of the Estate ofPlaintif
Charles Alexander Fraser,
deceased. F
and
ANNIE MILLS Defendant.

Notice is hereby given that on Satur-
day the 7th day ofJuly, 1951, between
the hours of 12 o'clock noon and 3 p.m.,
there will be put up for sale at the Court
House in Kingstown the undermention-
ed goods and chattels the property of
the above-named defendant ANNIE
MILLS levied upon by virtue of a writ
of seizure and sale issued in the above
suit:-
One house the sides boarded, and roof
covered with galvanise iron, situ-
ated at Belair in St. George's
Parish.
Dated the 9th day of June, 1951.
D. A. McNAMARA,
Registrar, Supreme Court.

SAINT VINCENT.
IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE
WINDWARD ISLANDS AND
LEEWARD ISLANDS.
(Original Jurisdiction)
A.D. 1950.

Suit No. 2.


Between
JOHN A. DASOUZA
and
SAMUEL GEORGE


Plaintiff

Defendant.


Notice is hereby given that on Satur-
day the 30th day of June, 1951, between
the hours of 12 o'clock noon and 3 p.m.,
there will be put up for sale at the Court
House in Kingstown the rndermention-
ed goods and chattels the property of
the abovenamed defendant SAMUEL
GEORGE levied upon by virtue of a writ
of seizure and sale issued in the above
suit :-
One house the sides boarded and the,
roof covered with galvanize iron
situate at Stubbs in St. George's
Parish.
Dated the 23rd day of May, 1951.
D. A. McNAMARA,
Registrar, Supreme Court.


SAINT VINCENT.
BY THE AUTHORITY OF THE
SMALL DEBTS ORDINANCE.

IN THE SMALL DEBT COURT,
(Kingstown) District I.

Between
Workmens Co-operative Bank
Plaintiffs


LAMBERT LONDON


Defendant.


NOTICE is hereby given that on
Saturday, the 28 d day of June, 1951,
between the hours of 12 o'clock noon
and 3 p.m. at the Police Station, Stubbs,
there will be put up for Sale the under-
mentioned Goods and Chattels belong-
ing to the above-named Defendant,
levied by virtue of a warrant to levy on
Goods and Chattels issued in the above
suit:-
One house covered with galvanised
iron and shingles (size 16 x 10)
Three chairs ; One table; One cassava
mill; One iron pot and One Fa-
rine Copper.
Situate at Stubbs.
GEORGE WOODLEY,
Lfcpl. of Police,
Process Server.
District II.

SAINT VINCENT.
BY THE AUTHORITY OF THE
SMALL DEBTS ORDINANCE.

IN THE SMALL DEBT COURT,
(Stubbs) District II.


Between
DAVID WILLIAMS (on behalf
of the Workingmens'
Association) PI
and
VINCENT GEORGE Defe,


aintif

ndant.


NOTICE is hereby given that on
Saturday the 23rd day of June, 1951,
between the hours ilf 12 o'clock noon
and 3 p.m. at the Police Station, Stubbs,
there will be put up for sale the under-
mentioned Goods and Chattels belong-
ing to the above-named -Defendant,
levied by virtue of a warrant to levy on
Goods and Chattels issued in the above
suit:-
One house size 14 x 9 built of board
and covered with galvanised iron.
Situate at Stubbs.
GEORGE WOODLEY,
Ljcpl. of Police,
Process Server,
District II.


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SAINT VINCENT. .

STATUTORY RULES AND ORIeS,

S1951, No. 55.

THE LAYOU TOWN BOARD (TRADERS' TET3
BY-LAWS.

(Gazetted,19th June, 1951.)

1. Short title. These By-Laws may be cited as the Layou Town Board

2. Interpretation. In these By-Laws:-
"Board means the Layou Town Board.
S" Person includes body corporate, company and partnership.-
Town means the town of Layou.
"Trader rieans any huckster, merchant, shopkeeper and person engaged
in trade in the town.
Clerk means the Clerk of the town. '

3. Licences to trade. -1) Every person who desires to carry on biisiness
as a trader in the town shall obtain a licence from' the Clerk to enable him to do
so and the said licence shall be in the form in the First'Schedule hereto annexed,
o? as near thereto as possible.
(2) An application for a licence to carry on the business of a trader in the
*town shall be in the form in the second Schedule hereto annexed, or as near
thereto as possible.

4. Traders' rates. Every person carrying on the business of a trader in
the town shall be assessed at, and shall pay the rate applicable, to his particular
case as set out in the Third Schedule hereto : Provided that where a trader has
been carrying on business for only a part of the year in respect of.which he is
being assessed, he shall be assessed for the actual period during which he was
,carrying on-business.

5. Clerk to settle kind of licence. In the event of any disagreement
arising between the Clerk and any person who desires to trade, or is trading in the
town, as to the kind of licence to be taken out under the Thii'd Schedule of these
By-Laws, such disagreement shall be settled by the Board : Proyided that any
person who alleges any error with reference to the kind of stock he, as a trader, is
selling, or desires to sell, and the sum to be paid by hiimfor a permit and is not
satisfied with the decision of the Board, may appeal against such decision within
the time and in the manner.provided in Section 41'of the Local Government
Drinance and the provisions 6f Sections 41-45 of the said-Ordinance shall apply
2 '* 72. he said appeal.
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6. Proceedings subsequent to decision of appeals. The Board
shall on the determination-of an appeal cause its assessment list to be amended if
necessary and shall collect the rates accordingly.

I7. Licences may be taken out for a year or half year. Traders'
licences.in the town may be-taken out for a'year, or for six months, and shall be
granted by the Clerk at any time of the year, but no licences, no matter what the
date df issue, shall in the case of an annual licence continue in force any longer
than the 31st day of December of the year current at the date of issue, or, in the
case of a half yearly-licence, continue in force any longer than the 30th day of
June or the 31st day of December of the half-year current at the date of issue.

.8. Penalty. Any -person guilty of an offence against these By-Laws shall
be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding fifty dollars or to
- imprisonment for a period not exceeding three months or in the case of a
continuing offence to a fine not exceeding ten dollars for each day during which
the offence continues.

Made.by the Layou Town Board under Section 56 of the Local Government
Ordinance No. 17 of 1951, this 31st day of May, 1951.'

EDWARD. P. FRASER,
Chairman.

Confirmed by the Governor under Section 56 (4) of the afoyesaid Ordinance
this first day of June, 1951. -
W. F. COUTTS,
S. Administrator.

FIRST SCHEDULE (By-Law 3 (1)

TRADERS' LICENCE FOR THE TOWN OF LAYON.

N an e in full ......................... .............. ...........................is hereby, licensed
as a trader-in the town of Layou-to sell

t set out exact ........................................................................ for the ............................ ................
nature of
licence ending on the.:............................... ...........day of................... ....... .....

tset out year 19 ..................
or half-year or
period for --
which licence
is taken out.

...........Cler.. .. ayo...... Town Board.
Clerk, Layou Town Board.






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SECOND SCHEDULE .(By-Law 3 (2))

APPLICATION FOR A TRADERS' LICENCE.

To: The Clerk,
The Layou Town Board.


Name in full I


t set out
carefully kind
of licence
applied for

t set out year
or half-year or
period for
which licence
is taken out.


for a licence to trade as t.


...... hereby apply

......................... for the


$ ......................................................ending on the...................................... .............. day

..........................................................19 .. in the town of Layou.


Signature of Applicant.


THIRD SCHEDULE By-Law 4.

TRADERS' LICENCES.


Hucksters
Manufacturers of Aerated Waters
Vendors of Aerated-Waters
Manufacturers & Vendors of Aerated Waters
Keepers of Parlours
Dealers in provisions only, retail'
Dealers in provisions only, wholesale & retail,
dry goods;only'
S liquors only
-. dry goods & Liquors-
" dry goods & provisions
" liquors & provisions
dry goods, liquors & provisions
S Bakery
(D 6/1949).


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1951.


'$ .24
2*88
2-88
2-88
S 2.*88
3-60
3-60
7-20,
6-00
7-20
10-80
9-60
10-80
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S-- SAINT VINCENT, +S

STATUTORY RULES AND ORD R, .
S1951, No. 56.

VILLA AIRPORT REGULATION .\

(Gazetted 19th June, 1951). '

INTRODUCTORY.:

1. Short title. These-. Regulations' -may be cited as the Villa Airport
Regulations, 1951.
PART I.
GENERAL PROVISIONS.
2. Name and Arc-a of Airport. The airport shall be known as the
Villa Airport and shall ir- lude all that area of the sea (being a. portion of the area
shewn in Admiralty Clmrt, No, 501,- Windward Islands, Kingstown, Greathead,
Calliaqua and Admiralty Days) starting .at the seaward or South-western extremity
of Dyke's Island and running with a width of 300 feet inshore of a line 2,695 feet
long on a bearing 124o from Dyke's Island to a marker on the reef dividing Young's
Island Channel from Calliaqua Bay, and continuing from that reef marker with a
width of 300 feet inshore of a line 3,760 feet on a bearing 1180 30' and as the
same is shown on a plan No. G.C. 43 prepared by G. E. Barker, Crown Surveyor,
dated 12th November, 1947,.and lodged in the Surveys Office in the Colony. The
airport shall also include all that area of land attached to and forming part of the
message of the Villa Customs House.
J- .
3. Controlling Officer. The Controlling Officer for the Airport shall be
Sthe-Superintendent of Police. He may, hoWever, with the approval of His Honour
the Administrator delegate such authority as may be necessary, to such individual
or individuals as may be approved for the purpose, to ensure the smooth and
efficient operation of:the airport at all times.

4. Diary. A Diary shall be kept at- the Villa Customs House wherein details
of any precautionary measures taken by the agents, results of inspection of the
reef and channel by the. Public Works Department, movements of aircraft, hours
of radio watch and any other matters which are detailed in these Regulations or
may be considered necessary to record, shall be entered and signed. by the
appropriate person. Tle Diary shall be produced to.the controlling officer for his
signature at least once a, week.

-5. Warning on arrival and departure of aircraft. (1) Not mere
than thirty minutes prior to the arrival or departure of aircraft a red -and white
.checkered warning flag shall be hoisted at Young's Island and at the landing slip.,
(2) Not less than fifteen minutes before the arrival or departure of aircraft a
siren shall be sounded. The si'ghal given by the siren shall be a continuous note
for thirty seconds.


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6. Warning'to be given by Agents. The responsibility for hoisting
the warning flag and sounding the siren shall lie on the agents of the aircraft who
shall note in the diary any action taken under these Regulations.

7. Action subsequent to warning. After the warning flag has been
hoisted or the siren sounded-
(a) no boat, unless, anchored in the prescribed anchorage shall remain
within the airport area;
(b) no person shall swim in front of or over the landing slip, or anywhere in
the said area except within thirty yards of the shore; \
(c) no unauthorised person shall enter the landing slip.

8. Rescue Launch. The Rescue Launch shall be manned ready for
operation immediately prior to each arrival and departure of aircraft, and shall
patrol the area for fifteen minutes before arrival and departure of aircraft. On
commencement of duty the CoxsWain shall report to the Controlling Officer or
person authorised by him the state of readiness of the launch, fuel radius of
action, and crash and emergency equipment on board. A summary of this
information shall be entered daily in the diary together with actual time spent on
patrol.

9: Duty to'mark reef and channel. The Superintendent of Works
shall be responsible for seeing that the reef and the channel through the reef in
the airport area are marked by buoys. -

10. Buoys. The buoys shall be coloured yellow and so constructed as to be
visible both from the air and the surface of the water. A minimum of three
buoys on each side shall be maintained to mark the channel through the reef.

11. Duty to keep channel free of silt. The Superintendent of Works
shall be responsible for ensuring thatthe channel through the reef is kept free of
silt: A minimum depth of four feet at low water shall be maintained and the
level shall be inspected once in every fourteen days. The result of subh inspection
shall be noted in the diary.

12. Duty to inspect airport area. The agents shall be responsible for
examining the airport area prior to each arrival or departure of aircr ft to ensure
that the flags are raised, that the reef markers are visible, and that there is no
obstruction in the alighting area, and shall record in the diary the result of such
inspection and.of any action which they may deem necessary.'

13. Prescribed anchorage for boats. No boat shall anchor in the -
airport area except on the north west side of the Aquatic Club Jotty and at a
distance of not more than fifty yards from the shore.

14. Signalling of launch to aircraft. The crew of the rescue launch
* shall signal aircraft with a green and white checkered flag as an indication that
such aircraft is permitted to land, but if it is considered for reasons of safety
.or otherwise that any aircraft should not be permitted to land the crew shall
signal by means of a red flag.







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PART II. -

EMERGENCY PROCEDURE.

15. Accidents. In the event of an accidentto an aircraft in the alighting
area or in the vicinity thereof the following action shall be taken :-
(a) the rescue.launch shall proceed with the utmost, despatch to the scene
of the accident firstly taking immediate action to rescue personnel and
S secondly doing everything possible to salvage the aircraft;
(b) the agent or -other-responsible person shall immediately notify the
Controlling Officer, the Administrator and the Medical and Ambulance
authorities, and arrange for aid to be despatched forthwith to the-
airport.

16. Aircraft overdue or in distress. (1) Three phases of" distress"
may be considered to exist. These are the uncertainty phase, the alert phase and
the distress phase which are summarized below together with the- action that
should be taken.
(2) An uncertainty phase is considered to exist when :
ta). no transmission has been received from an aircraft within a period of
thirty minutes after the time a scheduled position report should have
been received; or
(b) an aircraft fails to arrive within thirty minutes of the estimated time of
arrival last notified to Air Traffic Control, or estimated by Air Traffic
Control, whichever is the later; or
(c) doubt exists as to the safety of the aircraft and its occupants.
During the uncertainty phase the Controlling Officer shall use all available
communication facilities to establish communication with the aircraft, request
news of the aircraft, prepare Rescue Launch-for sea, and alert shipping in port.
(3) An alert phase is considered to exist when-
(a) following the uncertainty phase subsequent communication checks have
failed to reveal any news of the aircraft;, or
(b) information has been received which indicates that the operating
efficiency of the aircraft has been impaired but not to the extent that
a forced landing is likely; or
(c) apprehension exists as to the safety of the aircraft and its occupants.
During the alert phase the Controlling Officer shall alert all neighboring stations,
i.e. Trinidad, 3Barbados, St. Lucia 'and Grenada, and inform them of *the
circumstances and request their assistancein fixing the aircraft's position-
(4) A distress phase.is considered tolexist when-
(a) the fuel on board is likely to be expended; or
(b) information is received that the aircraft is about to make, or has made
a forced landing; or
(c) information is received which indicates that the operating efficiency of,
the aircraft has been impeded to the extent that a forced landing is
likely; or
(d) there is reasonable certainty that the airc-raf and its occupants are
threatened by grave and imminent danger and require immediate
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The Controlling Officer shall notify ATC. Trinidad and give the fullest information
available. If the aircraft is.down in the sea, and its position is known with any
reasonable degree of certainty; the Rescue Launch shall be. despatched by the-
S Controlling Officer if range and weather conditions permit, but 'if the Rescue
Launch is unable to proceed for any reason arrangements shall be made to
despatch any larger vessel in the harbour if necessary.' Any aircraft or ships that
are in a position to do so, shall be requested by the Controlling Officer to maintain
'a listening watch for transmissions from the aircraft in distress.
PART III.

OFFENCES AND PENALTY.-

17. Interference with airport installations. Any p e r s o n who
interferes or tampers with, removes or maliciously injures any installations within,
the airport area shall be guilty of an offence against these Regulations.

18.- ,Kite flying prohibited. Any person who shall fly any kite or
captive balloon within the airport area shall be guilty of an offence against these
Regulations.

19. Penalty. Any person convicted of a breach of these Regulationsshall
be liable on summary conviction to a fine hot exceeding one hundred dollars or to
iinprisonment for a period not exceeding four months with or without hard-labour.

Made by the Governor in Council under section 8 of the Aerodromes
(Protection) Ordinance, 1950 (No. 1 of 1950) this 1st day of June, 1951.
A. V. KING,
Clerk of Executive Council.
(Q 9/1951).

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SAINT VINCENT.

STATUTORY RULES AND ORDERS,

1951, No. 57.



POST OFFICE (AMENDMENT NO. 4) REGULATIONS.


(Gazetted 19th June, 1951).



1. Short title. These Regulations -may be cited as the Post Office
(Amendment No. 4) Regulations, 1951, and shall be read as one with the Post
Office Regulations, 1938, (hereinafter referred to as the principal Regulations)
aiht all amendments thereto.

2. Regulation 72 of principal Regulations amended. Regulation
72 of the principal 'Regulations as replaced by section 2 of the Post Office
(Amendment) Regulations, 1951, (S.R. & 0. 1951, No .30) is hereby amended by
deleting the words "Ministers of Religion-To the Colonial Treasurer," appearing
under the caption (B) Restricted" and substituting therefore the following :-
Ministers of Religion-To the Registrar when forwarding certified copies of
Marriage Licences in their capacity as Marriage Offlers, and to the
Colonial ,Treasurer."


Macde by the Governor in Council-under section 22 of the Post Office Ordinance
(Cap. 134) this 1st day of June, 1951.
S' A.V. KING,
Clerk of Executive Council.
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SAINT VINCENT.

STATlUTORY RULES AND ORDERS,

1951, No. 58.



CURRENCY RESTRICTIONS AND TRAVELLERS
EXEMPTIONS (AMENDMENT) ORDER.


(Gazetted 19th June, 1951).



1. Short title. 'This'Order may be cited as the Currency Restrictions and
Travellers Exemptions (Amendment) Order, 1951, and shall be read as one with
the Currency Restrictions and Travellers Exemptions Order, 1947 (S.R. & 0. 1947,
No. 22). hereinafter referred to as the principal Order and all amendments thereto.

2.' Amendment of section 1 of principal Order. section 1 of the
principal Order as amended by section 2 of the Currency Restrictions and
. Travellers Exemptions (Amendment). Order, 1947, (S.R. & O. 1947, No. 63) is hereby
further amended by-substituting the symbol and figures 10 for the symbol and
figure "'appearing:in the fourth line thereof.

3. Amendment of section 2 (1) of principal order. Sub-section
'(1) of section 2 of the principal Order as amended by section 2 of th-4 Currency
Restrictions and Travellers Exemptions (Amendment) Order. 1947, (S.R. & O. 1947
INd. 63) is hereby further amended by substituting the symbol and figures." 10 '.'
fol the sy .niol and figures "20 appearing in th3 seventh line theceof.


Made by the Governor under Regulations 3B and 4 of the Defence (Finance)
Regulations this 15th day of June, 1051.
W. F. COUTTS,
Administrator.
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SAINT VINCENT.

STATUTORY RULES AND ORDER.

C 3-~ ~1951, No. 57.'

PIECES CONTROL C(AMENDM NT NO. 2) N IE.

(Gazetted 19th June,195).

1. Short title. This Nutice may be C tCi e' ces Control
(Aiienidmlent No. 22) Notice. "

3." Amendment. The prices set out hereunder are the Maximum
prices foi which the articles enumerated may be sold in the Colony and the First.
Schedule Part B to the Prices Control Order 1947 (S.R. & O. No. 25) is hereby
amended by deleting all the words, figures and symbols occurring in the columns
opposite the articles : Biscuits Unsweetened-Trinidad Sunrise," Coffee Whole
Graih-' Robusta' Brand," and substituting therefore the following:

FIRST SCHEDULE-PART B..

Article. Maximum Wholesale Price Maximum Retail Price.

Area '' A' Area B" A e '"C'."

Bi'cuits Unsweetened $6.70 per drunk of 286 Is. 30c. pearl 1. 31c. per lb. 32c. per lb.-
Trinidad Sunrise
$i2.75 per tin of 7 lb)s. 4i. per 1 p r 4. c. p r 46. per b.

Coffee Whole Grain, 92c. per lb. in lots of S1.06 pr lb.' $1.07 per ]b. $1.04i per lb.
'Robusta' Brand 20 lbs. or more.


Area "A "'means the town of Kingstown and within olie mile thereof.-
Area B" means all other places throughout the Colony other than those
mentioned in Areas "A" and'"C".
Area C" means all the villages of Overland, Sanay Bay, Owla, Faley
Windsor Forest and the St. Vincent Grenadlnes.

Made by the Competent Authority under secttel 30 of the Prices Control
Order 1947 (S.R. & O. No. 25) this 13th day of June, 1951.
A. V. SPROTT,
Controller of Supplies.
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SSAINT VINCENT.

STATUTORY RULES AND ORDERS,

1951, No. 60.



LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL (REMUNERATION OF
ELECTION OFFICERS) (AMENDMENT) RULES.


(Gazetted 19th June, 1951).


1. Short title. These Rules may be cited as the Legislative Council'
(Remuneration of Election Officers) (Amendment) Rules, 1951,.and shall be read
as one with the Legislative Council (Remuneration of Election Officers) Rules,
1951, (S. R. & 0. 1951, No. 37) (hereinafter referred to as the principal Rules).

2. Principal Rules amended. After section 16 of the pri cipal Rules
the following Rule shall be inserted:-
17. PENALTY. Any person found guilty of an -ofence against these
Rules- shall be liable on summary conviction to a tne not -exceeding fifty
dollars or to imprisonment for a period not exceeding three months."

Made by the Governor in Council under section 82 of the Legislative Council
(Elections) Ordinance, 1951, (No. 13 of 1951), this 15th day of June, 1951.
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MINUTES OF A MEETING OF THE LEGISLATIVE. COUNCIL OF ST. VINCENT
HELD IN THE LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL CHAMBER ON THURSDAY,
/ 7TH DECEMBER, 1950, AT 10.A.M.

BUDGET SESSION.

P RESENT :
His Honour the Administrator, W. F. COUTTS, Ii.B.E., (President),
The Honourable P. CECIL LEWIS, Crown Attorney,
S B. GIBBS, Acting Colonial Treasurer,
W. A. HADLEY, Nominated Member,
0. D. BRISBANE, Nominated Member,.
G. A. McINTOSH, Member for Kingstohn,
."._ E, DUNCAI, Member for North Windward,'
,\ S. F.-BONADIE, Member for South Windward.

ABSENT :
--The Honourable E..A. C. Hughes (Attending 4th West Indian Conference, Curacao)
SE. A. JOACHIM, Member for Leeward .(Excused),-
." S.,.G. DEFREITAS, Member for the Grenadines (Excused).

1: PRAYERS.
The Meeting-was opened with prayer.

2. ADDRESS BY THE PRESIDENT.*
President : I now move that this. Council adjourn for 10 minutes.

S- EPLIES.TO .PRESIDENT'S ADDRESS.
Hon. Member for Kingstown: It has been a habit in the -past for. the
'Administrator to speak and for the audience to go-away without hearing what
S Council's impressions are on his speech, but I don't think that is the best way.
My reason for saying so is that the public should know that we Members of Council,
Know what it is all about and are interested in what is happening in this Colony.
I suggest that Honourable Members' replies' to Your Honour's Addr'ss be given
before Council adjourns
President': If Honourable Members agree, I have no objection.
Members agreed.'
Honourable Member for Kingstown : I. should like to congratulate His
Honour on the addresshe gave this morning which has left a very different
impression from the one he delivered on the last occasion. I consider you have
done very well sir, in putting plain facts before us which we have to face. There
is n'o disputing the fact that this Colony is in a very difficult position. We have
reached a state which we have' never been in for a long time. In-fact I don't
remember when St. Vincent has ever been in this position although the Colony
has always been in a bad state.
I should-now like to touch on certain points made by you in the Address this
morning. .

Not published, '






With regard to the Civil Service-.Association, I at 'first did think that the
request of the Civil Service Association was rather fantastic, and the impression
that St. Vincent should be put under Treasury Control was very objectionable and
repulsive to me, and the other Members of Finance Committee and Legislative
Council have also taken that view. But I think that I have got to say now that
the Civil Service perhaps have got a greater anda better impression of the. picture
as it stands here. We have been plunged into the worst position we have ever
known not purely through our own fault.
Treasury Control exists now. There is no doubting the fact that we do not
control the Colony's purse strings, and as a matter of fact Members of Council
here are really automata. We have to obtain approval from the Colonial
-Office before we can vote ore whit of the Colony's funds. We are under a
capitalistic regime which places our revenue beyond our control. We have got to
produce our crops and sell them at what prices our masters and overlords in the
home country decide. -We must get without any relation to cost of production
prices for what we produce and we have got to buy from the same people at what
prices they dictate to us. I can't therefore see how-it can be-our fault when we
find ourselves in the deplorable situation in which we now are. It is the Colonial
Office and the British Government who have the control of our purses. It is the
Colonial Office that dictates our policy, and I can see no reason why if after 300
years we find ourselves in this position they should not come manfully and
willingly to our rescue without any stipulation of Treasury Control, and I agree
fully wiith the Member, of the Civil Service Association that we should approach
the Br-itish Government. for some assistance which they. have never given us, at
least never before the riots of 1935. They should now dome forward and so help us
to tide over this difficult period and put us on our feet again.
British occupation bf the Colonies is not carried out for the benefit of the
people-it -is not because they love the people that they come out to these parts-
it is because they want markets for the v goods and a means of exploitation., It is
-their tirn now to give back something for what we have given. I don't regard
any gift or grant from the British Government as an act of charity. I will support
the Civil Service Association to approach the British Government for-a proper
demand in order eto put us on our feet and in order to pay those who serve the
Colony that they may live honestly and respectfully, so tiat the Colony may be
proud of its Service.
You have stated that we are approaching a state of federation and with it
Dominion Status. I think that the quicker the West Indies would realise that
that is the only solution the better and quicker will our difficulties be overcome.
We want to get rid.of this control. Not that I find that the sending out of
people over us as. Administrator or Governor is always bad, but there are many
times when we can replace them with men of superior intellect arid greater
efficiency and better talent than the men' who are sent out to us, (present
company excepted). Yes, I say that we' hope the other Colonies -will fall
in line and let us become a nation when the West Indies will be respected by
other nations of the world and be able to show talent that can govern and
progress.
In your reference.to Agriculture I feel that that is first and foremost in our
needs. It has been many years since I have been asking that the Colony venture
out on real scientific agriculture, and with all due deference to what defence the
Department may put up, it is my opinion and I have heard it from many others
whlo cultivate land, that St. Vincent should produce four times as much as it does,
and I know of private individuals who are producing more from their lands than








the Agricultural Department, -and I think that until we get the Agricultural
Department to be more efficient than private individuals we shall not have-much
progress for St. Vincent. Your reference to'soil conservation and the control of
land -is' ve- much in-keeping vwh" rmy way of thinking. Land should all be'
hationalised-nobody should own land, because nobody really does own land, and
to quote your remarks "they can only hold it in trust, for posterity ". That is
what I have been trying to make people learn and understand; only the. capitalist
I think will never understand but it is for Government who have control of this
trust for other generations to put it into effect'as other countries (hot capitalistic)
have done.
With regard to your remarks on the Leeward Land Settlement Estates there
are, many enjoying food- gardens. It is very essential that all labouring people,
should have food gardens ,but not only food gardens is essential but a better
distribution of the land in St. Vincent. This is the most cogent need. We oft
time hear it said that large estates are more profitable because small properties
do not produce as much, and the large estates provide more work for people. But
it is my opinion that the reason why our small properties do not produCe as much
as the big estates is because your Land Settlement in St. Vincent is just a farce.
We have cut up certain parts of the land-giving out portions to people -who are
ignorant and helpless and without the necessary advice and money are unable to
work them;,yet we expect good results. If the land is to be cut-up we must have
some means of helping the people. As I said before, this is what is done in
Socialist countries by the formation of cooperatives and other forms of collectives.
And when I look at Grenada and see what; a much better distribution ot the land
has produced, nothing convinces me more that this is what,is needed in St.
Vincent.
The Land Settlement Scheme on the Leeward Coast now makes provision for
letting labourers share in the profits of the Estates. This is highly desirable
except fqr one .point: the Land. Settlement Board are nowv endeavouring to.
introduce forced labour. _That is, unless the labourers come out to work for a
certain number of days they are robbed of their proportion of the profits._ I feel
it.would be,. better for each person to receive a fair proportion of the profits
*according'to the number of days he works, but the Board has decided that unless
he contributes 100 ,days work he will not share, in the pirfits, and I think some step
should b6 taken to-prevent this injustice to those who aric robbed of their quota, of
contribution to the success of the Estates.
I hope in the course of time all land will be controlled by Government whereby
.the. people will get the best result, and posterity will be treated as it should be.
In your remarks on Education, I observe that you mentioned the Kingstown-
Richmond.Hill School which has recently been built and soon to be opened. There
is one regret-I have with regard to that school aid that.is that when that school
'- as to be built it was.intended to be a Senior School where trades and arts and
crafts were to be taught, but through some difficulty they have not been able to
find teachers to cairryout the objects of the school and so that idea has been
turned down, and the school will be only just another ordinary primary school. I
Regret very much that Government is not able to carry out the original idea of a'
Senior School.-
While on that subject, I have to express regret also that it haianot been found
possible-to start the Approved School. That is one thing I have, been advocating
for years. I am glad to see, that His.Honour and other Members of this Council
except one member have gleat sympathy with the Scheme, but in view of jhe
Colony's financial position it has had to be cut dut. This-is a sad reflection on




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,the Colony because the children that are -now roaming the streets learning and
developing a very evil tendency to crime can only go on like that without this
assistance and become-permanent criminals. I hope the time is not -far distant
- when some means will be found whereby that-can be -remedied, It is. no gopd
putting children into prison, whipping them and sending them libk to their, old
evil.'sui'roundings. .We must try to find the means of training and educating
them. .
President: It is only the Senior School that has been cut out. Preparations
are now in train for the Junior School which will provide for children up to the
age of 13. -
Member for Kingstown (c:ntrniinuing~ :: Well,. we have- cut but the Senior
School, and I hope that- provision for the Junior School will soon be put into'
effect. You spoke of.our people being sent to Curacao and Aruba in order to
irfiprove the financial position of the Colony. From what I have heard recently
I find that we have to do. something to keep ouipeople at home.- I don't believe
that the Almighty.who"made the mouths is incapable of feeding them and I think.
that here- in St. Vincent if we only knew the right method of producing and
distributing what is produced we would be able to feed many more mouths, but
there is at present not a proper distribution-of what St. Vincent produces. This is
the same in all capitalist countries, but when we.learn that each person will get a
proper share of what the Colony produces, there will be no more crying for -want.'
But we have to learn that-from the socialist countries. There is no further outlet ..
Sof labour to Aruba and Curacao. Each time I hear from those places they-are
sending more people back to their homes. The people of Aruba and Curacao are
equipping themselves and the Vincentians and West Indians should put more -
effort into reading and studying, not just depending on'a'-school education but
after leaving school they should go on studying for themselves. I have learnt
more since T personally have left school and I think the young people should be
able to follow, that principle.
Yo. spokeof taxation and you have said that we are not the highest taxed
- place in the world, but in the same breath you say that more taxation will be':
necessary to remedy the position in which we.find' ourselves. Taxation is thei only
:means by which we can produce revenue :-our system calls for that. But we have -
to make that taxation not a burden on the already over-burdened. No man should
bl taxed until he is..able to. live on his income. Taxation should- start wheri-a;
person hasbsomething to pay taxation on, and not'suffer, privation and want, and
Still pay tax. Income Tax is a most justifiable tax but -we have to go further and
see, that taxation 'does not affect' the ,poor. Perhaps wve could have a surplus
profits tax and a higher rate of Income Tax in the higher brackets. I also feel
that land,tax should be examined. Our system is very uinequal :.a ,ian withone
acre of land right up in the mountain being taxed the same as a man in Kingstown.;
The former's land may hardly produce anything and his expenses for
transportation.of his produce-will be higher. Therefore he should not have to pay
as much1,fr his acre of land as theo'man in the suburbs of Kingstown for instance.
And so also, according to what the land produces, taxation should be made, and .
people should not be allowed to produce.as they like. There shouldabe compulsory
full wBrking o the 'land, and when this has been done and the land does not
produce as much as others, it-shoald be taxed accordingly.,
Another question is this, the deficit. In spite of all that has been studied and
done e'\ still find that we have a deficit 'of$129,8Q1. I believe-that if Viricentians
love St. Vincent as they should, they will come forward and help us to face the






S difficulty. I am going to say what-you said in your closing paragraph and I
admire your remarks. We want more people who love St. Virncent-not only those
who love to get as much as they can out of-the Island-tp .cpme-forward and give
the best they can to make things better. We want to stop destructive-criticism
and have more constructive criticism in order to make things better. That is
-: :what we need. : ''
SI would just like to touch-on your remark '"with atheistic forces sweeping the
world ". I would like you to explain what atheistic forces are sweeping the world.
I know of none. The-people to whom you refer have got better living conditions
than we have. Their religions are not just a profession-of ideas. They practise
w .hat'they preach. Our religion is just mockery, there.is more hypocrisy than
anything els6, it is hardly any use going to a .church of Sunday, and listening to
a sermon by a minister whose only, object is tb secure a- job, and then go around
for the week without any means of putting what has been preached into effect.
It is up to all who love- St. Vincent to put our hearts and hands together and
work for the interest of the Island.
This is my appeal.to you to do all we can to make St. Vincent. a better place
in which to live.
on. Member for South Windward: Your Honour, Hon. Members, I do not
want this opportunity to -pass without saying a few words on your address this
morning. I must, however; make haste to say that it is not possible for me to do
justice at this short'notice because I would like to say that we have just received
your address'like any other member of the public. -I think Hon. Members should
be given the address a, little time before the date of the meeting, and not b6
S presented with it on the same morning. I think that:will be an improvement.
I am now going to comment on a few of the thoughts in your address that are
in harmony with mine, but there are one or two which are in discord with my own
S thoughts too.
Five. years ago exactly today I sounded a note of warning in the same hall
standing in the same position, that if this-Colony was not careful it would run on
the rocks, and I published it with streaming headlines in my newspaper. Five
years ago we were well off, apparently. We collected 30,000 in death duties from
Mr. Haywood, and another .10,000 for a new issue of postage stamps and we patted
ourselves on the back that we were doing well and used these amounts to balance
our Budget. I jried to argue that, this should not be used as actual current
revenue but it was done and the Budget was,.balanced, and right now we have no
more Mr. Haywoods to die-we have, but they won't die. I predicted just what
has happened but T am not gloating over it today, I feel very sad. There is no
doubt in my mind that this Colony is facing a very serious position. I appreciate
the very encouraging remarks made by Your Honour, but we have to go closely-
-nto the full diagnosis of the trouble. I have made out my own diagnosis, and
S.whether it is palatable or not, I am going to advise -this 'Administration and
Council. In the'first place, I feel that this Colony -has always been living above
its means. You'kiiow what happens tdoindividuals who live beyond their ineans.
Well, it is the same thing with a Colony, only fortunately, a. Colony can last a
little longer than an individual. I remember when it'was said at one time that
this Colony was- in possession of a far better Medical Service than Grenada.
Knowing, as I did, that this Colony with a National Income of $70.00 per head per
annum, was far poorer than Grenada with $120-$130.00 per head per annum. Yet
St. Vincent could boast of a better Medical Service than.Grenada. So this Island "i
Shas been trying all the time to boast of better services than you can get in Trinidad
or Grenada. The question is, gentlemen, that we are trying to live beyond our
means. '/.






S- This Colony, since the departure of Mr. L. P. Spence (a Vincentian) has not
had the benefit of a good financial adviser. I cannot see on record anything for the
last 5 years where- a Financial Officer to the Government. ever advised tjais Council
-that the Colony was going on the rocks, and advised against any of those reckless.
social services undertaken. I mention Mr. Spence's name because a remark Was
made by His Honour in his address about the appointment of Vince'ntians. There
is a ttong feeling in this' Island that Vincentians are not being given the- fair
deal in appointments. I want it to go on record, that I feel so too. I have no
objection to strangers being brought in to do.work in the Colony, I am a
'Federationist; but I find, sir, that we do not get the-best brains from outside the
Colony. 'Very ofter-we get what are the rejects from their own countries, and- we
-have to be very careful about that. I feel'very 'strongly about it.
SWell, sir, the next-thing from whiph-in my opinion this Colony suffers very
seriously, is the fabt that many'of our Administrators have such a very short term
to-remain here. Being human, they cannot resist the temptation to marking, or
recording their presence here, even if it strains the purse-strings. This is a natural
-human temptation knowing that they are leaving after five years; but this is a
warning I'want to give the elected members of Cokncil; that it is they who will be
.blamed:in future, and not the Administrator as at present. As the Hon. Member
for Kingstown pointed out, the Administrator will have to bear the greater share
.of responsibility at present, but under the new constitution that'will not be so, and
;if Ihave the opportunity I shall point that out to the new Council.
Last, but not least, I would like to say that-T am pleased with the note sounded
with regard to co-operation of the general public. I feel that the time has come
'now, when, more than 'ever we: have to work -all together to save the Colony.
.'Employers xea listing that it is in the best interest of themselves and the Colony to
., give the labourer a :better -deal and a fair day's pay for a fair.day's work. 'There
is great need in this Colony for a strong and responsible Trade Union so as to
educate the-labourers that it, is their duty in the economic welfare of the Colony
to give a- solid- day's Work.-for the wages paid. If I have an opportunity I shall not
fail, in playing my part in helping to build up such a Union..
I cannot: make further comments, on' Your Honour's address because I have
.not,-had the:,opportunity -of-studying it, and- I hope that if I have any further
.-.pportunity to appear at a Budget' Session, that the address will be sent out to
Members some days before we -are due here.
i:lon:. 0D-.: Brisbane : Your Honpur, I will try to be as brief as possible but I
...-:mustf add my -little quota td the proceedings here this, morning.
Fitst of all I must say *that I listened to, and we all did, the Address of the
:Addmi'iistrator. -It is what we look forward to as,.the annual Speech from the
-.Ihxrone' in outr little way. It is the annual Budget which is presented to us by our
iHe.ad.of Government and this morning I was wondering what form it would take.-
SI-must.say'that His Honour:made a very thoughtful, careful, and comprehensive
.address and we mtist-,congratulate hiron the manner in which he presented it to
;us. ,He -said he was only picking out bits here and there, but I think that all the
bits put together have made good reading, and havegiven us something to think
.riabout.
IWe, cannot indulge in long speeches here today as we have not been given
time to study the address, but I must say that it is a time for serious reflection and
Sthe ad'dressi'gives us food for thought and quite a lot to study in connection.with
n ;:the.economy of the Island.
: Youi-have listened to two speeches already-the ,Hons. G. A. McIntosh and S.
:3Bonadie.'. Mr.,McIntdsh went into quite a lot of detail and I don't propose to






go into these details again. He made a very excellent speech and I think his
speech this morning is-one which is worthy of much consideration, so were the
remarks made by the Hon. Member for South Windward.
Now, there are a few items which I want to touch- on, more so from the
economic side of the picture. We have been told and we all know that this Colony
is in a serious financial position. This is the second year we are presenting an
unbalanced Budget. Last year there were great hopes that during the present
year things would have been better and the Colony placed on a sounder footing,
but that has-not worked out, and so we are now faced with a deficit of -$129,807.
When the Budget was-presented to Finance Comihittee we had to go through it
and prune and cut out various items in order to reduce it to that figure.
When a man finds himself in a precarious financial position he-has got to
take stock and if he goes on spending recklessly without doing something to tide
him over those difficulties,-he is headed for disaster. As with an individual, so
With Government. And today all we-can do is to press to the. Colonial Office and
the Secretary of State, who are really our controllers, to give us financial aid to-
tide us over without Treasury control. We don't want to borrow money unless we
can borrow under conditions where repayment is not difficult. I am not advooating
to ask for a loan, but certain help to tide us over the present difficulties. Indeed
i help is forthcoming there should be no question of accepting this help and not
putting our house in order. The next step for St. Vincent is to put her economy
on a sounder footing and one way of doing so would be to see that the Island
produced more than it does at present.' With that picture before us and working
along those lines we will/be able to surmount our difficulties. It is not an easy
task, but with goodwill it is for us the present members of Counbil to-advise the
Administration, and the new members to come at the next elections, and I hope
all will be done in the interest of the community as a whole and not individual
interests. I am not going over the- details or commenting on various items, I am
only here to say that the position is very serious and-we must face it with serious
thought and must do the best we can to get out of this difficulty, and not only get
out now, but not go back into it again.' The question now is how to tide over our
present condition, and after tiding over, put our house'in better order and on a
more economic basis. The Hon. Member for SouthWindward spoke of living
above our means. Perhaps if we examine it carefully we will find that it is so.
Therefore for the future we should see that it does not'continue. We cannot go
into every detail and say this or that is the cause, but we must find out what are
the difficulties, why we live beyond our means.
His Honour spoke of the-appointment of a Financial Adviser whom he called
a streamline expert to show us conditions and how to carryon. I sincerely hope
that we will get a good man who will not only be Foster-by name, but will also
foster us.
Well, Gentlemen, we cannot be gloomy the whole time, and a little joke here
and there is good.
I am very glad to see the attendance here this morning. It shows that our
people are taking a little more interest in their political affairs. During the past
years it has been the custom to bring school children to the annual Budget
meeting and I think it is a good thing.
Well, Gentlemen, I must close now with these last remarks that nb matter how
difficult the situation, how gloomy the picture, we must not be pessimistic but.
mustThave a note of cheer. We are coming to the end of the year and entering a
season of cheer. No matter how black the clouds may be, let us hope that a silver
lining is there for us.







Hon. Member for-North Windward': Your Honour, Hon. M-embers, I shan't
Sbe long but I would like to say that we had a real.pleasure this morning in listening
to the speech from the- Throne. I am quite sure that the audience will go away
-quitesatisfied that while they were here they had a treat indeed.
I'said I won't be long but I just want to say how pleased I am to findthat the'
Administrator was so outspoken. He hag mentioned some points on which some
people, might not have touched. He has drawn a vivid picture of the situation and
I think that we. all see that things- are difficult. But I would not say that it is all
gloom..- -
When the Budget cane before us with a deficit of $327,000, that did look-
glooify, but after the Finance Committee went about its business and reduced it
to $129,000 I say there is no cause-for despair at all.
This ColoTiy was once on the rocks many years ago;but it is not going back
there-riot under this Council. Every Member is determined that it shall not go
on the rocks again.
I always remember Mr. I. J. Cameron, a late Administrator of this Colony.-
ee cam6 here and did what he did, and when he was leaving he said there had
been blood and tears, but what was done had to be done. The Colony had to be
saved. He was going, but he had pleasure- in saying that for the first time in many
years the colony found itself with a surplus. And so since that St. Vincent has
been going forward and we are not going back under grant-aid-At all, 'and I say
that this Colony with a deficit of $129,000 is not going on the rocks at all. I have
read about deficits in America, deficits in Queensland and other states in Australia,
and yet I do not read of the gloom that seems to come over some people here
because we have a deficit. Whit happened last year? We faced last year with a
deficit and yet we were able to report, as shown by His Honour's address here this
. morning, progress in-many -aspects. We have built schools, we have improved the
lot of our patients in hospital, we have added to the Hospital Staff, creating better
conditions for nurses in their work. We have been able to report progress in our
Agricultural Department, a Department which is .doing excellent work. We don't
say that better could not be done, there are some aspects in that Department
which are not what we like, but taken all in all, the Agricultural Department-is
doing well. So we have-not done badly, but we are facing next year with a deficit
and we will work hard, and please God, will come through with something to show
at the end of 1951. Mark you, it is just possible that that deficit might turn into
a surplus. This Council is going to watch every penny and we must not hang, our
heads down. Let us buckle on our armour and stand firm and if we do that our
faith will bring -us through with success.
There is just one reference in Your 'Ionour's address on Federation and 1_
cannot sit down without saying something about it. The value of Federation is
cefitered around the question of industrialisation. St. Vincent and the other
islands of the Caribbean, particularly the smaller islands, will never get any
further than they are until they are industrialized, and particularly the smaller
islands will not be able to industrialise until they federate. And I am hoping that
Federation will soon be a fact and the many mouths that come year by year will,
by the establishment of industries, find food. God will not allow us to starve, we
S'cannot starve in St. Vincent, we only want a little industry and we will be able to
go forward'casting the gloom aside.
I am sounding a note of optimism, we are not going on the rocks.
I congratulate the Civil Service for approaching the-Secretary of State and I.
Think that if they work along those lines that this Council will have every






sympathy with them in their demands for-increases. We, are awaiting the ieply
with interest, the reply from the Secretary of State, and will back up any practical
suggestions made for improving their lot.
Well, sir, I was going to say Happy, Xmas, but the time for this has 'not yet
come, so with those few remarks I will now close.;'
Hon. 'W. A. Hadley: Your Hontor, Hon. Members, so much has been said
already that there is nothing left for me- to say. I must, however, thank Your
Honour for a very excellent address and for putting the affairs of the Colony so
clearly -before- us. There is one point I want to remark on in Your Honour's
speech, arid that is "with atheistic-forces sweeping the world I can say now
that the chief cause of the troubles in the world today, as well as-the troubles in
St. Vincent is'due to people leaving the churches and religion. This'drifting away
from the churches may pot altogether be the fault of the people-it-may be the
fault of the teachers of the churches-but I want to say that if the people of St. -
Vincent and the people of the whole world will think again and- turn back to-
Christianity, most of their troubles and difficulties will be solved and this will be
a.better world in which to live.
Council adjourns for 10 minutes.
RESUMPTION.

4. .NOTICE OF MOTIONS.
Honourable Member -for Kingstown : Your Honour, Honourable Members 6f
Council, I beg to give notice that I shall move the following Motion at the- next
Meeting of Council:-
In view of the fact that this Colony is in a very precarious condition
financially
Will Government please approach the Colonial Office for assistance to
put the Colony back on its feet economically
And be it resolved that such assistance be granted without any Treasury
Control.
5. NOTICE OF QUtSTIONS.
Honourable' Member for Sputh Windward: Your Honour, Honourable
SMembers of Council, I beg to give notice that I_shall ask the following questions at
the next Meeting-of Council :--
1,. Having regard to the excessive rate. at which" the population of the Colony
is increasing, and bearing in, mind the virtual absence of opportunities for
emigration, will Government establish at the various Dispensaries an
information service on birth control, thereby making available to the
Poorer classes information which can more readily be obtained by the other
classes of the inhabitant's?
S2. In view of the -fact-that the suburban district of Arnos Vale has grown
immensely in population in the past ears, and in; view also of the great
distance of the nearest public cemetery away from this district, Will
Government please take steps to acquire a site. in the area to be used as a
public cemetery for the people of Arnos Vale?
3. Will Government please state the present- position as regards the salt
industry in the Grenadines which for some months now Government has
beerrnattempting to develop?
4. Will Government also please state the position of the Salt Fish Industry -
which was being'developed in the Grenadines?






Honourable Member for North Windward: Your Honour, Honourable
Members of Council, I beg to give notice that I shall ask the following questions
at the-next Meeting of Council:-
1. Will Government please take steps to set up as early as possible a Telephone
Service in the Park Hill-South River area?
S2. Will Government please lay a statement before this House showing the -
-.extent to which the important subject of Citizenship is taught in the.
Primary and S6~ondary Schools of the Colony?
6. PAPERS LAID.
President : I now call upon the Hon. Crown Attorney to lay the papers on
the table :-
Honourable Crown Attorney : I have the honour to lay the following papers:-

Council Paper No. 40 of 1950.
Minutes of Finance Committee Meeting held on 22nd August, 1950

Council Po'per No. 41 of 1950
Report of-the Principal Auditor, Windwvard Islands, on' the Accounts of the Colony
for the year 1948.

Council'-Paper No. 42 of 1950 :
Memorandum on Development Programme, 1950.

Council Paper\No. 43 of 1950 '
Notes on activities and working of Government Departments-for the year. 1950.

MOTIONS.
President : I now call upon the Honourable Crown Attorney to move the firs~
Motion standing in his name.
Honouiable Crown Attorney : Mr. President, Hon. Members, I beg. leave to
move "that this Council approves the.Order ctied as the Diplomatic Privileges
International Labour Organisation) (Amendment) Order, 1950, made by 'the
Governor in Council on the 22n1 day of September, 1950, under Section 3 of the
Diplomatic Privileges Ordinance,1947 (No. 40 of 1947) ".
The purpose of this Motion is as follows :-It has been pointed out by the
Secretary of State for the Colonies that certain specialized Agencies of the United
Nations, like the International Labour Organisation, were not included in our-
-Orders conferring diplomatic privileges and immunities on specialized Agencies.
These organizations come within the scope of the immunities and privileges
granted by the Act. The Orders made by the Governor-in-Council did not include
subsections corresponding to subsection 3 of Section 8 of the relevant U.K. Order-
in-Council on which our Orders are based; %and it is further observed that such
sub-sections are necessary to make it possible for Colonial Governments to become
members of certain specialized Agencies. In those circumstances, if a Colonial
territory became a member the representative in the particular Colony, or staff.in
the Colony,- will not be entitled to the immunities and privileges granted by the
Orders,








That is the reason for this Amendment. The sarfie reason applies to' all the-
other Motions, and I will be glad if I may not have to repeat it on moving each
Motion. .
Honourable Colhnial Treasurer : I begto second the Motion.
President: Any debate on the Motion?
Question put and agreed to.
President: I now call upon the Honourable Crown Attorney td move the
Second Motion standing in his name.
Honourable Crown Attorney : Mr. President, Hon. Members, I beg leave to
move "-that this Council: approves the Order cited as the Diplomatic Privileges
(International Civil Aviation Organisation) (Amendment) Order, 1950, made by
the Governor in Council on the 22nd day of September, 1950, under section 3 of
the Diplomatic Privileges Ordinance, 1947 (No. 40 of 1947) ".
'oHnourable Colonial Treasurer I beg leave to second the Motion.
President : Any debate on the Motion?
Question put and agreed to.
President: .I now call upon the Honourable Crown Attorney to move the
third cMotion standing in his name.
Honourable Crown-Attorney: Mr. President, honourable Members, I move
that this Council approves-.the Order cited as the Diplomatic Privileges (World
Health Organisation)- (Arheqdment) Order, 1950, made by-the Governor in Council
on the 22nd day of September, 1950, under section' 3 of the Diplomatic .Privileges
Ordinance, 1947 (No. 40 of 1947)
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I second the motion
Question put and agreed to_
Honourable' Crown Attorney /.. Mr. President, Honourable Members, I move
that" this Council approves the Order. cited as the Diplomatic Privileges
(Iritrnational Refugee Organisation) (Amendment) Order, 1950, made by the
Governor in Council on the 22nd day of September, 1950, under section 3 of the
Diplomatic Privileges Ordinance, 1947 (No; 40 of 1947) ".
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I second the motion
Question put.and agreed to.
Honourable Crown Attorney : Mr. President and Honourable Members, I
move "That' this Council approves the Order cited as the Diplomatic Privileges
(United Nations Educational, Social and Cultural Organisation) (Amendment)
.Order, 1950, made by the Governor in-Council on the-22nd day of September, 1950,
under section 3 of the Diplomatic Privileges Ordinance, 1947 (No. 40 of 1947) ".
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I second the motion
Question put and agreed to.
Honourable Crown Attorney : Mr. President, Honourable Members, I fiove
Sthatthis Council approves the Order cited as the Diplomatic Privileges (Food and
Agrif~ulture Organisation) (Amendment) Order, 1950, made by the Governor in
SCiinicil on the 22nd day of -September, 1950, under section 3 -of the Diplomatic
Privileges Ordinance, 1947 (No. 40 of 1947) ".
'Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I second the motion
Question put and agreed-to.
President: .I now- call upon the Honourable Crown Attorney to move the
Seventh Motion standing in his name.




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Honourable Crown Attorney : I.beg leave to move that this Council-approves
the Regulations cited as the Education (Kingstown Preparatory' School)
(Amendment) Regulations, 1950, made by the Governor in Council on the 22nd
day of September, 1950, under section 29 of the Education Ordinance (No. 29 of
1937) ". The object of this Motion is to give the Governor power to order on -
recommendation of the Education Officer, the refund orthe remission -of the whole -
or a portion of a term's fees as he may think reasonable, provided that-where a
period of absence from the school inrespect of such recommendation shall not be
less than one half of a term, no such refund or remission shall be ordered.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : .I beg to second, the Motion,
Question-put and agreed to.
President:- I now call upon the Hon. Ag. Colonial Treasurer to move the
Motion standing in lis name.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer,:' Mr. President, Hon. Members, I beg leave to-
move the following Motion :-That this Council approves the Order cited as. the-
-Export Duties (Amendment No. 2) Order, 1.95p0made by the,Governor in Council.
on the 1st day of December, 1950, under Section 3 of the Export Duties Ordinance,
1933 (No. 12 of 1933).
on. Members will recollect-that an attempt has recently been made to
increase the Export duty on certain exportable produce of the-Colony. More often
than not those products which bore an export duty of less than 6% have been
stepped up to 6% which duty already exists on the main products of the Colony, to
wit, Arrowroot and Cotton. -So far as-certain Livestock is concerned, namely,
goats and sheep and poultry and pigs, the-export duty has also been increased.
.Those are the principal amendments. *
Honourable Crown Attorney,: I beg to second the Motion.
Hon, Member for South Windward-: This Order has only been presented to
us this morning, and I have not--had an opportunity of checking up that it is
right. I want to have an assurance from the 'Treasurer that what is here in the
order, is the same. as what I have agreed to. I will not stand up here and agree to
anything that is put before me without first checking it. -
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : Is the eIon. Member for South Windward-
moving that this Council go into Committee to consider the.Order?
.on. Member for South Windward : Yes, I move that this Council go into.
Committee.
Hon. O. D. Brisbane : I beg to second the Motion.

In Committee.
SHon.-Member fof South Windward: I really want to have a, talk-with'the
Treasurer tofind out'whether there are any new alterations or additions apart
from what we agreed to in-Finance Committee.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer: I will give the Hon. Member from South
Windward-an assurance that those- items which appear on the Order represent -
substantially andt- completely those that Hon. Members agreed to in Finance -
Committee. You will see under clause 3 that certain other Orders have-been
cancelled and all items have been included in this new consolidated Ofder.
Hon. Member for Kingstown-: I always was of the opinion that some of the
items bearing 3% duty should have gone up to. 6%. Copra, for instance should
pay more.







Hon. W. A. Hadley : Copra already pays 6%, and when the quantity exported
exceeds a certain figure an additional 2% is charged on the excess.
Question put and agreed to.

Council Resume.
President: I now call upon the Hon. Member for South Windward to move
the Motion standing in his name.
Hon. Member for South Windward: I am asking permission to withdraw
this Motion so that I may be able to study the matter further. : This Motion is an
'attempt by me to get Hon. Members of this Council to-study the question of
unemployment and over population more seriously. I find that the wording of
"this Motion- does not fulfil all my objects properly, and I am going to ask
permission to withdraw it and replace it by a Motion which will more properly
conform with what I have in view.
Motion withdrawn.
.BILLS.
President:. I call upon. the Honourable Crown Attorney to move the second
reading of the Registration of Business-Names Bill.
Honourable Crown Attorney: I beg to move that the Registration of
Business Names Bill be read a second time.
Honourable Colonia Treasurer : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Bill read a second time.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to-move that this Council resolve itself
into..a Committee of the whole Council to consider the Bill.clause by clause.
Honourable ColonialTreasurer: I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.

In Committee.
Clause 2-Interpretation.
Hon. W. A. Hadley: This includes the names of anybody doing? business..
Does that mean then that Estates will have to register?
Honourable Crown Attorney : Provided that the Estates are unincorporated;
but in any case, it would be for the Registrar to decide.
-Hon. Member for Kingstown I -think a limit should be set on the businesses
required to be registered, a small business like, a cook-shop for instance, should be
excluded.
S President : This Section should apply to all business places, but it is left to
the Officer administering the Ordinance to decide if he should in fact register the
business or not. '- .
Question that Clause 2 stand part of the Bill put and agreed to.
Clause 3-Firms and Persons'to be registered.
Question put and agreed to. _
Clause 4-Registration by nominee etc.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause;5--Manner and particulars of registration.
Question put and agreed to.







Clause 6-Statement. to be signed by persons registering.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 7-(1) Time for registration. (2) VChange of name.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 8-Registration of changes in firm.
Question put and.agreed to.
Clause 9-Penalty for default in registration.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 10---Disability of persons in default.
Question, put and. agreed to.
Clause 11--Penalty for false'statements.
Question put, rand, agreed to:,
Clause 12-Duty to furnish particulars to Registrar.
Question put and agreed to.
SClause 13-Registrar to file statement and issue certificate of registration.
Question put and .agreed to.
Clause 14-Index to be, kept.,
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 15-Removal of names from register -
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 16-Misleading business names.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 17-Registrar. -
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 18-Inspection of statements registered and fees payable thereon.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 19-Governor in Council may make ,rules.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 20-Payment into Treasury.
Question put and agreed to.-
Clause 21-Publication of true names, etc.
Question put-and agreed to:
Clause 22-Offences by corporations.
Question put and agreed to.-,
Clause 23-Recovery-of penalties.
Question put and agreed to.
Scheg4le-Question .put and. agreed to.
Clause.l,--Short Title and enacting clause.,
Question put and agreed to.
Honourable' Crown Attorney: I beg to move -that the Committee rise and
Council resume, and the President report back to the Council.
Horiourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to second the Motion.-
Question put and agreed to.

SReportI8tage.
President: I beg to report that the Registration of Business Names Ordinance,
- 1950 has passed through Committee without amendment.




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Honourable Crown Attorney: I beg to move that the President's report be
adopted.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put.and agreed to.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to move that a Bill for an Ordinance to
provide for the Registration of Firms and Persons carrying on business under
Business Names and for purposes connected therewith be read a third time and
passed.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg-to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Bill read a third time.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to move that this Council adjournuntil
Monday, 11th December, at 10 o'clock a.m.
President : Any debate?
Answer : No.
Council adjourns.

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RESUMPTION. ,
Monday 11th December, 1950-10 a.m.
PRESENT:
His Honour W. F. C'OUTTS, M..B.E., Administrator, President,
.The Honourable P. CECIL LEWIS, Crown Attorney,
C. B. GIBBS, Acting Colonial Treasurer,
W. A. HADLEY, Nominated Member,
O. D. BRISBANE, Nominated Member,
G. A. MCINTOSH, Member for Kingstown,
/ E. DUNCAN, Member for, North Windward,
E. A. JOACHIM/,Member for Leeward (arrived late),
S S. G. DEFREITAS, Member for the Grenadines,
S. F. BONADIE, Member for South Windward.

ABSENT-:
The Honourable E. A. C. -HUGHES, Nominated Member.
President : I propose, subject to Hon. Members' approval, to go straight
,ahead with the Appropriation (1951) Bill, followed immediately by the Money
Bills which arise out of the Estimates. These are :-
The Licences (Amendment) Bill
Firearms (Amendment) Bill
Excise (Amendment) Bill
Ticket Duty (Amendment) Bill
Stamp-(Amendment) Bill
Package Tax Bill
Income Tax (Amendment) Bill.
I call upon the Hon. Ag; Colonial Treasurer to move the first reading of the
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Honourable Colonial Treasurer : Mr. President,-Hon. -Members, I beg leave
to move that a Bill for an'Ordinance to -provide for the service of the Colony for
the year endiAig 31st December, 195.1, be introduced and read a first time. The
object of this Bill is to provide the sum of One Million Eight Hundred and sevehty-
S eight thousand eight hundred and eighty-three dollars for the service of the Colony
for the year ending 31st December, 1951.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I.beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
SBill read a first time.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer: I beg to move.that the Standing Rules &
Orders' of this Council be suspended to enable this Bill to be taken through all
stages at this meeting of Council,
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the -otion.
Question put and a-greed to.
S Honourable Colonial Treasurer I beg to move that the Bill- be read a second
time.
Honourable Crown Atforney : I beg to second the Motion.
Hon. Member for-South Windward I think that this is the appropriate time
for me. to make a few remarks oh the Budget as usually all debates are taken on
S the second reading of any bill according to our constitution.
Well, sir, I am doing this because I feel that the time has come when Members
should place on record what they feel- about the Estimates on the Budget for the
ensuing-year. It is true that we have discussed.it at length in Finance Committee
but at the same time the records in Finance Committee do not show exactly what
Members feel on the position of the Budget, and as I said before, 4 would like to
give a few observations and some advice, on the Budget.
In the first place I would like to say this that I am not at all satisfied with the
present position of the Colony's Budget. I want -to say very strongly that I
.disclaim much of the responsibility for the position the'Colony has found itself in
today. Under the present Constitution I look upon the Colonial Treasurer of this
Colony as a Minister of Finance' in-miniature, and as Minister of Finance I feel
that j.tis his duty to advise this Council of the position of- the Colony's Budget
from time to time. I can't say that I have received such advice from the
Treasurers of the past. There is a little excuse that can be offered for;we know
that there have been so many shifting of Treasurers from time to time that
before one could gather up the threads he is removed and before his successor
could do the same he is alsoremoved, and so I repeat that in my opinion this
-'Island has not had the benefit bf serious advice from our Colonial Treasurer in
the last. I am going to ask permission at a later stage to move a Resolution to
Ssee if we can give more serious consideration to the appointment of a Treasurer
n future. I view the appointment of a competent Treasurer to St, Vincent as a
very serious matter; otherwise, we are balancing 6ur Budgets in the dark.
S Well, I will now make a few short comments on some of the items of Revenue
and Expenditure. First, sir, I am taking the entire Revenue of this Colony first.
I wanted to find out whether we were collecting sufficient revenue in -St. Vincent
in comparison with the other Colonies. I am not an-economist, but have a little
common sense I believe, and I decided to make this comparison.-. What I said was
to compare the entire revenue collected with the entire trade balance of
S revenue and expenditure. I think that the revenue of a colony should bear some
relationship to its total trade, that is, its imports and exports added together.
What I discovered is that the proportion of revenue to our total trade was higher




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than in any other Colony in the West Indies-higher fth.in Jamaica' v'hiich is the
next highest in the West Indies, far higher than Grenadal or St Kit.:'. Coimp'ring .:
the revenue that.we were collecting to the total trade, it gives me to b.lheve
therefore, that we a-re collecting a lot of revenue in .this Colony according to our
total amount of trade, and that any seridus attempts at imposing further taxation.
to raise revenue will result in what I choose to call a strangulation of the financial- "
activity of this.entire Colony. So I feel that we must b:e very careful about.how .
: we go on imposing further taxation on our poor people.,
'Well, sii, dealing with our expenditure, I find that the first Head I would like.
to talk about is' that of Agriculture. I know theleaning of -certain. members of
this Council towards the: Agricultural Department of tis. Colony. I know-myself
that St. Vincent. is an. agricultural country and we. must be careful how we touch-
anything under that Head, but I am going to place on record; as my opinion, that
the Agricultural Department:is over-staffed and that a lot of the men in it are not
doing any useful work at all. That is my opinion. .
Then I go right over to our C.D. & W. Schemes, and I.feel, sir, that here again
we have, to be very careful when we are offered these grants. We accept them
gladly, but it does seem now that we have accepted a lot of trouble which wewould
find .ourselves unable to cope with if we are .not very careful right now.- I
remember when I attended the Conference in Grenada in 1944 a remark was made
there by one of the- delegates, .I think it was Mr. Shillingford of Dominica, who
said that these Colonies should consider very carefully how they accept most of
these Welfare Schemes, unless they are revenue-bearing schemes or else we will
find ourselves unable to balance our budgets. At the time I didn't fully appreciate
what he meant, but now I appreciate it and I am going to advise the Administrator
and this Council in future to be very careful how they continue most of. these
SSchemes.. As a matter of fact, I feel that -there are quite a few.that we should
begin dropping at once.
S The first one I can mention is the Scheme D. 1399.in'connection with Public
Relations and Local Government. 'In my opinion it should be dropped as soon as
possible, before, at least, it comes under our ordinary budget.
S' The next is our Public Works "Department. .1 ama very much of the opinion
that this Department is over-staffed, and if you examine the facts and do a little
reasoning you can see how a' Department of that kind can become over-staffed.
S-Nbw, during the, time. when our C.D. & W. Schemes were at their highest there was
a .great temptation.for any Head of Department to -increase his ordinary staff to
the extent.that would not be necessary in ordinary times. Now that we have-not
S so much money to spend, I feel that a very careful enquiry should be undertaken
into that Department with a view to cutting down personnel. In this connection -
I must express my. appreciation of the move which Your Honour is making to get
-the service, of a highly qualified efficiency expert to go into these' matters.
As I said before, I think the time has come when Members of Council should
record their views, generally speaking, on the Budget as it stands, because there is
no good record of what took-place in Finance Committee. And with these remarks, -
and having already myself given consideration to this Budget, as'ifar as I am
concerned, we can accept it en bloc;-subject to the remarks I have made.
(Hon. E. A. Joachim enters)
President: For the, information of the Hon. Member for Leeward the 1951
'Appropriation Bill has been: read a- first time. ,The second reading has-been
moved, and Mr. Bonadib, Hon. Member for South Windward has opened the
debate..




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Is thereaany furtherdebate on the Bill at this stage, may the.Bill be read a
second time?
Aye.
SBill -read a second time
Honourable Colonial Treasurer':- I beg leave to move that this Council
/ resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House to consider the Bill clause by
clause.
Question put and agreed to.

In Committee.

Clause 2-Grant of Supply for 1951:.
Question put arid agreed to.
President: The Crown Attorney has pointed out that whereas in the old -
-Standing Rules and Orders it was possible to deal with the whole Schedule en
bloc, under the new Standing Rules & Orders it is necessary to deal with each item
separately.- In case. there are any items of expenditure on whieh Hon. Members
would wish to make observations, and in view 'of the fact that the Honourable
Colonial Treasurer may have some corrections to make, I think it would be wise to
deal with each Head separately.

Schedule.
Head 1-Governor.
SQuestion put and agreed to
Head 2-Legislature.
Question put and agreed to
Head 3-Administration.
Question put.and agreed to-.-
Head 4-Agriculture.
President : Members of Legislative Council are not aware that Executive
Council recently discussed the question of the outbreak of swine fever in the
Colony. It is clearly apparent that measures so far taken have not been entirely
satisfactory, and it is felt that this'is due to the fact that' people have been asked
to pay 36- a shot for the vaccination of a pig. The Veterinary Officer has now put
up a scheme which involves expenditure of $2034 over a period of three years in
order to eradicate swine fever altogether. Executive Council were of opinion that
in view of the fact that pigs brought in so much revenue, the expenditure required
to carry out the scheme would be well spent over that period, and recommended
that for 1951 we should spend a sum of $802 in the swine fever campaign. I am
not sure whether the Treasurer has the particulars of the various items of
expenditure, but as far as I remember, a portion is'to purchase ear-tags which are
to be affixed to the ears of inoculated pigs, further sums for the purchase of
syringes and vaccine. -I should be glad to know whether the Members who are not
Members of Executive Council have any objections to make.
'Hon. Member for South Windward : I merely hope that the campaign will
be successful.
President : I think it advisable to keep this provision as a separate itemh and
make a note in the Remarks column that it is only a- three-year scheme.

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Honourable Colonial Treasurier: The Principal Auditor,. Windward Islands,
has suggested that we arrange all items under Other Charges" alphabetically,
and as a result of this'.the items, on page.42 of the Estimates under Extension
Division are renumbered as follows:-
43 Extension Services
44: Livestock Improvement Stock Centres :-Operation and Maintenance.
45 Stockmen
46-: Plant and Animal Protection Services
47: Swine Fever Control Measures
48 .: Transport Allowances
When this figure of $802 is included the total under Agriculture on page 44,
Suminary of Expenditure, becomes $64,505 in place of $63,703. At a later stage
this will have someeffect on the total at the bottom.
President : May Head 4 as amended stand part-of the Schedule?
Members : Aye.
Head 5-Audit.
President: May this Head stand'part of the Schedule?
Members : Aye.
Head 6-Central Housing Authority.
President: May this Head stand part of the Schedule? .
Members Aye.
Head 6.A-Central. Road Authority..
President : May.this Head stand part of the Schedule?
SMem6ers : Aye.
Head, 6.B-Central Water Authority.
President: May this Head stand part of the Schedule?
Members Aye.
Head 7-Charitable.
President : May this Head stand part 6f the Schedule?
Members : Aye.
Head 8-C.D. & W.
Hon. Member for South Windward: I notice that there is nothing voted for
Scheme D. 425--Kingstown Improvements, for next year and the Board still has
an unexpended balance of about $6,000-$7,000 which should have been included.
President : I think that is my fault. .The Treasurer was under the impression
that the Scheme was finished.
Hon. Member for Kingstown : 'It is not cerain whether the balance of work
left to be done under the Scheme is for the Kingstown Board or the Public Health
Authorities.
President : We considered that the Public Health Authorities had no money
to undertake -the work and would have to get funds from Government. I would
be glad if such funds as remain outstanding could be inserted in the f951 Estimates.
($6,500 inserted under Head 8 Item D. 425, Kingstown Improvements.)
Head 9-Education.
President : May Head 9 stand part of the Schedule?
Members Aye.





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H. .. ead I0-Electr, itu & Re riteration. .
SPresident : May HeadlO stand part of the Schedule?
S-Members: Aye. --
Head 11-Judicial.-
President : May.Head 11 stand part of the Schedule?
Members : Aye,
Head 12--Labour.
President : May Head 12 stand part of the Schedule?
Members : Aye.
Head 13-Lands & Survey.
President : May Head 13 stand part of the Schedule?
Members : Aye.
---Head 14-Legaj.
President : May Head 14 stand part of the Schedule?
Members : Aye.
Head 15--Medicdl.
President: May Head 15 stand part of the Schedule?
Members : Aye.
Head 16-Miscellaneous.
President: May Head 16 stand part of the Schedule?
Menmers : Aye.
Head 17-Pensions.
President : May Head 17 stand partof the.Schedule?
Menibers: Aye.
Head 18-Police.
President : May Head 18 stand part of the Schedule?
Members : Aye.
Head 19-Port and Marine.
President :, May Head l1 stand-part of the Schedule?
Members -Aye.
Head 20-Post Office.
President: MayfHead 20 stand part of the Schedule?
Members: Aye.
Head 21-Prisons.
President:' May Head 21 stand part of the Schedule?.
Members: Aye.
Head 22-Public Debt.
President : May Head 22 stand part of the Schedule?
Members : Aye. / -
.. Head 23-Public Library.
President: May Head 23 stand part of the Schedule?
Members :' Aye.
Head-24-Public Works Department.
President: May Head 24 stand part of the Schedule?
Members : Aye.






Head 25-Public works Annually Recurrent.
President :- May Head 25 stand part of the Schedule? '
'Members: Aye.
Head 26-Public Works Extraordinary. -
President: May Head 26 stand part of the Schedule?
Members : Aye.
SHead 27-is the old "Grenadines" Head which has now been absorbed under
"Administration ".
Head 28-Subventions.
President.: May Head 28 stand part of. the Schedule?
Members: Aye.
SHead 29-Supply .Control.
President : May Head 29 stand part of the Schedule?
Members Aye.
Head 30-Telephones .
President : May Head 30 stand part of the Schedule?
Members : Aye.
Head 31-Treasury.
President : May Head 31 stand part of the Schedule?
SMembers : Aye.
President : With Head IV amended to $64,505 .and Head 8 amended to
$295,452 and the total as $1,878,883, may the Schedule now stand part of the Bill?
Members : Aye.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that Council resume and.the
- President report back to the House.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Council Resumes.
President: I beg to report thatt the Apprdpriation Ordinance (1951) has
passed through the Committee stage with 3 amendments to the Schedule under
Head 4, Head 8 and a consequential amendment to the final total in the Schedule.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that the President's report-be
adopted.
Honourable Crown Attorney: I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Honourable Colonial.Treasurer : I beg to move that the Bill be read a, third
time by title and passed.
H.C.A: : I beg to second.the Motion.
S Question put and agreed to.
Bill read a third time and passed;
Honourable Member for Kingstown : Your Honour, Hon. Members, I want to-
move the following Motion under Section 18 (j) of the Standing Rules & Orders-
a Motion arising out of the business of the day :-
"In view of the fact that this Council have been unable to balance the
Colony's budget without a substantial' deficit, and also in view. of the fact
that we have been placed in this through io direct cause of our own, partly
due to the devaluation of the Pound Sterling,






AND because of the resultant increased cost of living this Council have
been approached by the police, nurses, and now the Civil Servants in general,
BE IT RESOLVED that this Council recommend that Government approach
thd Colonial, Office for such assistance as may enable us to tide over the
present difficulty without submitting this Colony to the indignity of Treasury
Control."
I realize that we are in terrible difficulty and left to ourselves might not be
able to tide over this difficulty which is facing us now. We have a responsibility
to the employees of Government, and they find it difficult to exist under present
circumstances due to this increased cost of living. I do not quite agree with 'the
last speaker that a financial wizard might be able to get everything straight. I
believe we have got into difficulties through force of' circumstances. I don't
support the feeling that we have made reckless expenditure, and this is a cry that
Sis-going to have certain alarming results. I feel that if we carry on the cry that
'we are just wasters, it might be difficult to get help from the Colonial Office, and
from others who are able to assist us.
SWell, it is a fact that we are expecting an Efficiency Expert to put things in
order. I hope that when he comes we will-be able to cut our coats to suit our
cloth. But what I think we need more is education along the lines of better
economy. We want more industry; we want to educate our people to support local
industry. Some time ago I tried to encourage people to use less imported food,
and certain trouble-makers in the community -went around telling them that I
didn't want them to. eat rice and/flour, while I simply wanted them to eat more
locally produced food. Our people want more education; and I also disagree with
those who say that we should do away with the Post of Public Relations Officer.
Our people have no knowledge of Government affairs. Were they educated along
better lines and informed of what Government is doing, and particularly regarding
the rumour that Members of Council are doing nothing, I think it would be a great
sight-better.
I don't think there is much more to be said on this subject. We must get
some help from outside. Just. getting an Efficiency Expert and dismissing people
and cutting down expenditure will not lead us to a solution, of the difficulties.
Perhaps this will create greater difficulties by having more unemployment and
decreased efficiency. If, on the other hand, the Agricultural Department is not
Doing its work, I say we must get seriously down on that Department and see that
it does the'job which it is required to do. St. Vincent is an agricultural community
and this fact must be seriously recognized.
? That is all I wish to say on this matter, and I hope that the Colonial Office
will be able to assist us. '
Honourable O. D. Brisbane : I rise to second this motion.
I fully agree with the Hon. Member for Kingstown, and will just make a few
observations.
As I already stated here this morning, it is right for us to ask for financial
help, and if financial help is given it is also right for us to put our house in order.
I agree that a Financial Adviser should be appointed and the best -help possible
given us in the financial department, so that we may get a better working of the
financial affairs of this Colony.
If, as the Hon. Member envisages, we are suffering from not having had good
-financial advice we inust even go to the extent of asking the Colonial Office to
send us proper financial help to see that we use the money wisely. We want
someone who is capable oT steering our course to a safe harbour and not wrecking
us on dangerous rocks. We'should not only work to this end, but pray.







President: .Hon. Members, I'do not want in any shape or form to Influence
the voting on this Motion, b"ut would like to say this, that when I attended the
Devaluation Conference in Barbados in March this year, I asked the Colonial
Office Economic Representative to'the Conference whether the Secretary of State
would consider a temporary grant-in-aid to this Colony without Treasury Control
as a result of devaluation, because I thought that devaluation would cause the
type of situation in which we now find ourselves. His answer was that the Colony
. would have to consume all its surplus balance before any grant-in-aid could be
made, and that when that was done a proper application would have to come from
the Colony, and that no such grant in aid could possibly be made without
Sconcomitant control by the British Treasury.
SI do no say -that because of what this official said your motion will not be.
considered, but I think it my duty to mention it as that was the-apparent attitude
of the Colonial Office Representative at the Devaluation Conference.
SHon. Member for North Windward: I support the Resolution. We are in
entire sympathy with the demands made by the Civil Service, 'Nurses and others,
and I feel that the Motion is a good one aDd I think that there should be no
question of Treasury Control. We are asking that something be done which will
meet the continuous demands of the Civil Service, if that can be done-and I
think it could be done-and because I think so, I am supporting the Motion.
I don't think there is any point in reiterating the points raised by the Hon.
Member for Kingstown. We all feel that the Civil Servants are not in the
financial position that they should be, and so we are sending forward this
Resolution with faith and in confidence that whatever we are asking will be done.
.Honourable W. A. Hadley: Your Honour, I am of the.opinion that if we get
help from the British Government, it should not be for increasing salaries of
Government Servants only but to be used for the benefit of the entire Colony,
otherwise if we get the amount that we need for increasing salaries for the coming
year, the Colony will have to find it the year after and for all succeeding years.
If what is envisaged is a.grant just for that purpose, I do not think it will help.
Such a grant, if given, should be used in the best way to improve the economy of
the Colony, and if that is the purpose of the Resolution moved by the Hon. Member
for Kingstown then I will support it, but not if it is just to pay Civil Servants, as
that will not help St. Vincent.
Personally, I don't know if we will. get a grant or not, or if we will get it
without Treasury Control,'but if we do get it and under whatever conditions and
it is used just to increase salaries in one year such a grant will ruin our economy
rather than help it.
Honourable Member for South Windward : I would like to find out certain
things before agreeing -to this motion. I understand from the Administrator that
he was in fact making application to the Colonial Office for some assistance. I
want to know if this Motion relates to what His Honour informed us about soefi
time ago, or if it is in addition' to the. assistance being asked for by the
Administrator. His Honour told us that in view of the very precarious position of
the Colony's finances he intended to approach the Colonial Office for some actual.
nroney to pay sinking fund charges on loans to be raised for certain schemes. I
don't think His Honour's application has been forwarded yet and I would like to
know whether this Motion refers to a separate and distinct, application,
President : All I wish to say is that the application to which I was referring
is the result of a memorandum drawn up by the Financial & Economic Adviser
which is beihg printed now and Hon. Members will get it in their hands aliortly







for comments before it is sent forward to the Secretary of State. -The object of
this Memorandum is to request the Secretary of State to allow us to have about
89%000 from-Colonial Development-& Welfare .allocations, all of which is to be
.spent on -fevenue-producing schemes; also a sum to be used to cover interest and
sinking fund charges on further'loans to-be raised by the Colony, again to be used
for revenue-producing schemes; notably-a Cement Industry, and other schemes of
S this nature.
The request for assistance will therefore be for a -sum in the region-.of 1/4
S million pounds, one-half of which will-be a free grant from Colonial Deyelpmeent-
SandWelfare and the other half from loans, all of which is to be- pent on revenue-
producing schemes .for the Colony. This application has nothiihg t odo with- the',
Motion just moved Ib the.Hori. Member for Kingstown. .
Hon. Member for Leewardc: I am-going to oppose this Motion. Although I
.am one.hundred per. cent in sympathy with the Civil Servants' petition, it does
seem, as Your Honour:has said, that it will serve no useful purpose if you have
already discussed the matter with an official from the Colonial Office and he has
given you his views on the -i tter.-
President-: Hon. Members can always try again. My discussion with the
Colonial-Office Official was ill March.
Hon. Member for r.ingstown: I.feel that we can try again. It appears to
me that kourHonour's application is embodied in this Motion. I have just asked
.for assistance to Jide-u uii.over. a difficult period. -This assistance could be given
by grants or loans and our experts will tell us what is the best way of using the
money. I don't mean that it should be spent on salaries only but used to put us
on,our feet.again, and as you say, sir, on revenue-producing, schemes. People. are
-dissatisfied-and. we.cannot-have.-a Civil Service with a. lot of dissatisfied people.-
-The Motion is open,. and all that is.to, be done, is for an expert.to come and tell
us h9w, to spend the mrney. I don't think we should stop at what the Colonial
SOffice Representative has said but,shoulld go to the head of the fountain.
SHon.:Member for-the Grenadines : Ihave no objection to the Resolution.
iThe Resolution-was carried nem con.
(Officials did.not vote')
HorIour.aleMVember for South Windward : I wonder if. this is the appropriate-
.time for me,.to,move a Motion. I should like to be allowed; to move a Motion under
Sec. 18 (j) of the Standing Rules & Orders on a matter arising out of the alarming
condition in ,which this, Colony's Budget is at present. The. Motion reads as
1 follows, Gentlemen :-
WHEREAS the-financial position of this Colony has assumed a- very alarming
, situation;
AND WHEREAS ther6 is dire need for the appointment of a qualified and highly.
experienced Treasurer of the, Colony;
BE IT RESOLVED,that Government take steps, to secure, the. services of Mr. L.'P.
Spence, one-time Treasurer of this island, on secondment from the Trinidad
Government for a. period of dpne year or longer if possible;
AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that in the. event of, Mr. Spence's services not
been-available that Government advertise for applicants and.give the.Legislative
-Council a voice in recommending a suitable appouitee to the Governdt.






Well, gentlemen, this Motion speaks for itself. I am doing this purely on
'account of my interest in this Colony. I definitely feel that we could avoid a lot
6f-financial pitfalls if we had a man with the great experience and ability of Mr.
Spence to igide our ,financial destiny; We-all .kiow Mr. Spence to be a man of
outstanding ability. He is at present emipoyed by the Trinidad Government as
Controller of Customs and I believe that his next job is to be Secretary of the
Currency Board which is a very big job indeed. -But St. Vincent.is his native land,
.and I-believe that this is the Colony in which Mr. Spence intends to spend the
evening of his days, -and I feel certain that if we were to send out an S.O.S.-
which is what this Motion calls for-to Mr. Spence that Je, would be willing to
return to his native land and -to give us- what assistance he could give as a man of
his ability.
gentlemen, itmay involve some difficulty to arrange for Mr. Spence's transfer
but I feel that a patriot as he is he will do everything to make his visit to St.
Vincent possible. -My view is that if he comes, St. Vincent can feel assured that
he will be able to help to guide its ship of state from the rooks on which it has
been. driven.
I want to say this very strongly and 1, am very sorry to say it. Ihad hoped
that on the appointment of His Excellency the Governor that he would have shown
a greater amount of .deference to our little Colony,-but I find that His Excellency
the Governor has very little time to spare for St. Vincent. From the date-of his
.appointment I am yet to set anything very tangible that'His Excellency has done
or recommended or pushed through for our little Colony. I think maybe it.is that
His Excellency is more engaged on some of the other Colonies which he wrongly
believes are worse off than we are; but my desire today is that he be informed
that our ship.of state really.needs his attention right now, and I would like.him
to know that we cannot afford to leave the appointment of a new Treasurer of
this Colony to a matter of chance. We..do not want a man for instance who has
failed anywhere else, for sometimes when man.has failed in one place the
authorities try to move him to another place. We want a hand-picked man for
SSt. Vincent. If Mr. Spence finds it impossible to come I want this Council. to
impress on His Excellency that we would be expecting a special hand-picked man
to help us bring our ship of state out of these difficult financial waters.
.I hope that you, Gentlemen, will accept'this Motion and help me to save St.
Vincent from these 'ocks.
Honourable O. D-Brisbane : I rise again to second this Motion as I did the
previous .Motion.
They both hinge on the same thing. -We find ourselves in great difficulty and
it seems that-we must try to do the best we can, and though it might be said that
as a drowning man we are trying to catch on to a straw, it is clear that we cannot
hold on withoutsome assistance.
SIn this motion we are asking for a qualified person to come to our assistance,
and that that person should be Mr. L. P. Spence who was a Treasurer of St.
Vincent and knows a lot of the Island. I feel that we are paying a great tribute
to Mr. Spence in asking him to come back and give us his valuable help, and at the
same time showing the Secretary of State that we would like someone at the head
as a financialadviser who would be able to show us how to use whatever help is
given us in the best possible way.
SOn the other hand you might say that a man of Mr. Spence's ability will need
to be paid accordingly.. Well, arrangements for this could be made frbm whatever
financial aid is given to us from the Colonial Office,- and as the question is likely
to come up I therefore put fovw.-ird this suggestion now that St. Vincent should
not pay Mr. Spence's sal:iry for that year,







.I do hope our appeal will fall on good ground; that the Governor will listen to
our plea and that the Colonial Office will do all it can to realise that this Colony,
Which has always boasted of being able to move along, is now really down to its
lowest ebb, and give vs an opportunity or, like good rubber, give us a bounce
upwards from the depths to which we have fallen.
Honourable Member for NIorth Windward: I am in agreement with the
Resolution which is evidence that there is a, desire to find a way out of the difficulty
in which we find ourselves, and that calls for support. We have to find a way out
of the present situation and this Resolution shows that we are thinking. There
are also other points to be considered, as the last speaker said, regarding salary.
and so on, but I see no reason why the possibility of obtaining the services of Mr.
Spence should not be explored.
For these reasons I support the Motion.
Honourable Member for Kingstown ; I will not oppose this Resolution. I
intend to give it my support, but there are-.one or two things I don't quite
understand. What is the idea of this Financial Adviser? I think that a Financial
Adviser is one to whom we would go to for advice on the Colony's finances, but we
have no time to waste on such things. I don't know if the intention is to have a
man-who will show us how to produce more revenue. My idea is to-have someone
who will be-able to' expend such revente-as we can get in the most-beneficial
manner. But how to get that revenue is the question that is facing us, and I don't
think that a financial adviser is the answer to our problem,
S But, as I say, I am not going to oppose the Resolution.
.There may be something more in it than I know so I will support it as an
experiment.
The voting on this Motion was as follows :-
5-in favour
1-against
1-abstained
(Officials did not vote.)
President : I now call on the Honourable Colonial Treasurer to move the first
reading of the Licences (Amendment) Bill.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : Mr. President, Hon. Members,I beg leave to
introduce and have read for a first time, a.Bill for an Ordinance to amend the
Licences Ordinance, 1940.
The object of this Bill is to increase the fee payable by an Auctioneer from 2
to 5, and to impose a' fee on traffickers. The fees for licences to. carry on
Insurance Business have not been changed, but you will observe that they have
been included in'the Bill for facility of reference.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Bill read a first time.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that the Standing Rules and
Orders of this Council be suspended to enable this Bill to be taken through all
stages at this meeting of Council.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion..
Hon. Member for South Windward: I would like to know the reasons for
moving the suspension of the Standing Rules & Orders of Leg. Co.,








S President: I thought that the Hon. Member realized that at the Budget
Session itis .normal practice to put all, Money Bills- through all stages at -one,
meeting. The Hon. Member has -also in front of him a Certificate of Urgency
signed by myself.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that the Bill be read a second
time.
Honourable Crown Attorney: I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Bill read a second time.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer: I beg leave to move that this Council
'resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House to consider the Bill clause by
clause.
Question put and agreed to.
In Committee.
Section 2-Sohedule A. of the Principal Ordinance (Amended).'
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : Hon. Members will remember that there
was a proposal to' increase Bicycle Licences to $2.00 p.a. for privately owned
bicycles and $3.00 for bicycles for hire-an increase on the present licences of 5/-
and 7/6 p.a. respectively.
'Hon. O. D. Brisbane : I notice that all the figures in the Schedule are in
sterling.
H,C.A.: The figures in the Principal Ordinance are in sterling.
Question put and agreed to.
Section 3-Schedule B. of Principal Ordinance (Amended)
Hon. Member for South Windward : How do you decide whether a person is
a trafficker. I have never seen it defined. ,
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I have already asked the Customs Officers
who are in the best position to know.
Hon. Member for South Windward : My submission is that the word
"Trafficker" should for the future be properly defined and 'inserted in the
Ordinance.
Hon. O; D. Brisbane : I second the Motion. We cannot leave it to the
Customs to decide.
Hon. Member for Kingstown: I move that the Bill be not held up for this
reason.
Question put and agreed to. '
Clause 4-Schedule C. of the Principal Ordinance Repealed and Replaced
No. 27 of 1949.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 5-Repeal No. 27 of 1947.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause '6-Commenement.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 1-Short Title.
Question put and agreed to.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that,Council resume and the
President report back to the House.








... Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.

SCouncil Resumes,
President : I beg to report that the Lice~eces (Amendmerit) Ordinance 1950,
has passed-through the Committee stage without amendment.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer :, I beg to move that the President's report be
adopted. '
Honourable Crown Attorney: I beg to-second the Motion.
Question-put and agreed to.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that a Bill for an Ordinance
to amend the Licences Ordinance, 1940, be read a third time by title and passed.
Honourable Crown Attoriey : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and. agreed to.
Bill read a third time and passed.
President : I call,upon the Honourable Colonial Treasurer to move- the first
reading of the Firearms (Amendment) Bill.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : Mr. President, Hon. 1Mefmbers, I beg to move
that a Bill for an Ordinance to amend the Firearms Ordinance, Cap. 175 be read a
first time. I I
The object of this Bill is to increase the annual fee for a licence to keep
Firearms from 5/- to 10/6.
S Honourable Crown Attorney : jI beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Bill read a first time.
Honouiable Colonial Treasurer :- I be to Moiv that-the Standiig Rules &
Orders of Council 8be suspended to allow this Bill to be takbn through all its stages
at this meeting of Council.
The Certificate of urgency lies before Hon. Members explaining the reason
for taking this course of action.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the- Motion.
,Question put and agreed to.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that the Bill bb read a se'ofhd
time.
.Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
'Bill read second time.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer: I beg to move that this Council resolve
itself into a Committee of the whole Council to consider the Bill clause'by clause.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.'
Question put and agreed to.

I Committee.
Section 2-Section 4 (1) of Principal Ordinance (Amended).
Hon. Member for South Windward : I consider that the siAm of YO0/6 should
be changed to 10/- ($2.40.)
Hon. O. D. Brisbane : I second the deletion of the words and i:xp6ence
L Questior put and agreed to.







loni.-Member for Kingstown : I would like to know hew is a decision arrived
-at for the issue of licences for Firearms.. There is q-ite a lot of talk going round '
about people not beingsatisfi'ed, I don't know what is the policy, but. T would like
to know that there are no hard feelings with -regard to certain people getting .
licences.
President: -AKsfar as I know, -icences for Firearms are only issued to those-
people who can use them and who need them.
Ho MVIember for Kingstown : Some people who have soie standing in the
community are not satisfied with the way in which these licences are granted and .
feel that no Superintededent of Police should come here and dictate who should
get licenses.
President : Provision is made in the Ordinance for the possession of Firearms
by certain authorised persons, otherwise it, is in the' discretion of the
Superintendent of Police to. grant -such licences or cancel them, as-he thinks fit.
Hon. Member: for Kingstown : The Laws are alright, but it is the person
administering them. .There should be. some means of appeal.
Hon. W. A. Hadley : .I think that the issue of Firearms should be. carefully
considered,, and that those people who are found using firearms without licences
*should be convicted. There should be greater restriction in the issue of licences
to keep firearms.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 3-Commencement. .
SQuestion put and agreed to.
Clause 1-Short Title and enacting clause.
-Question put and agreed to.
Honourable. Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that the Committee rise,,
Council resume and the President report back to the Council.
Honourdble Crown- Attorney : I beg to second the-Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
.. Council Resumes.
President.: I beg to report that a Bill for an Ordinance: to amend the
S Firearms Ordinance has passed through the Committee Stage with one
amendment the deletion of the words-" and sixpence under section 2..
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move. that the President's report be
adopted.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that the Bill be read a, third
time by title and passed.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and-agreed to.
Bill read a third time.
SPresident/ I call upon the Honourable Colonial Treasurer to molelthe first
reading of the Excise (Amendment5 Bill.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to'move that a Bill for an Ortlinance
to amend further'the Excise Ordinance, Cap. 188, be read a first time.
The object of 'this Bill is to increase the fees for licences granted in respect
of Stills,







I would like to call Hon. Members' attention to the Certificate of Urgency.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to. -
Bill read a-first time..
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that the Standing Rules arid
Orders of this Council be suspended to enable this Bill Ato be taken through all
stages at this Meeting of Council.
Honourable Crown Attorney > I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Honourable- Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that the Bill be read a second
time. -
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion. -
Question put and agreed to.
Bill read a-second time..
Honourable Colonial Treasurer: I beg- to move that this Council resolve
itself into a Committee of the whole Council to consider the Bill clause by clause.
Honourable-Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
SQuestion put and agreed to.
In Committee.
Clause 2-Section 10 (3) of Principal Ordinance Amended.
Hon: Member for South Windward ; I move that the sum .of 20 be increased
to 50.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 3-Section 13~(1) of Principal Ordinance Amended.
Hon. W. 4. Hadley : I move that small Stills be increased from 20/- to 25/-
Not agreed to.
Clause 4-Commencement.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 1--Shbrt Title and enacting Clause.
Question put and agreed to.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer: I beg to move that the Committee rise,
Council resume, and the President report to the Council.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion,-
* "Question put and agreed to.

Report Stage.
President: I beg to report that the Excise (Amendment) Bill 1950, has
passed through Committee stage and there was-one amendment: the substitution-
of the word fifty." for the word twenty in the 4th line -f Clause 2.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that.the President's report be
adopted.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that the Bill be read a third
time by title and passed.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
pill read a third time.







President: I call upon the Acting Colonial Treasurer to move the first
-reading of the Ticket Duty (Amendment) Bill, 1950
'Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that a Bill for an Ordinance
_ to amend the Ticket Duty Ordinance, 1947 be read a first time.
The objects of this Bill are :
(a) to impose a liability for the payment of ticket duty on visitors to the
Colony whose stay does not exceed three months.
Hon.'Members will recollect that under the existing Ordinance such visitors
who are in the Colony for less than three months are exempt from payment of
ticket duty
fb) to make it compulsory for persons exempted from this duty to produce a
certificate of exemption before purchasing tickets, failing which a penalty will be
imposed.
The attention of Hon. Members is drawn to the Certificate of Urgency.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion. --
Question put and agreed to.
Bil-read a first time.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that-the Standing Rules-and
Orderstof the Council be suspended to allow this Bill to-be taken through all its
stages at this meeting of Council.
Honourable CroWVn Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed t. .
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that this Council resolve
itself into a Committee of the whole Council to consider the Bill clause by clause.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Hon. Member for South Windward: May I just say a few words here.
Sometimes in our anxiety and haste to collect revenue we may be doing that little
damage to the reputation of the Colony. When this Ticket Duty Bill was
introduced in the first place, the intention was to make visitors pay whose stay in
the Colony exceeded 3 months. In my opinion we should do nothing to throw any
.extra burden on people who wish to visit this Colony for a short.time. Tourists--
even middle class tourists-should not have any bad impression of the Colony,
and the small amount which -will be collected will not compensate for
spoiling our good name. I am asking Members to consider this Ticket Duty fully
now. I don't know whether it- is in existence in any other Colony and visitors
coming here may say you can go to Grenada or St. Lucia and there is no trouble
except when you go to St. Vincent. No matter how small the amount is, the
principle of collecting this duty which is not collected in other Colonies may do a
certain amount of damage to this Colony's reputation. We should not collect
from casual visitors to our shores but give them all facilities, and encourage them
"t6 come more often.
Hon. O. D. Brisbane I have not been in favour of this Ticket Duty Ordinance
in many respects from the time of its introduction. As a matter bf fact it.is only
because we find ourselves in difficulty over revenue that I have to stifle my feelings
and support it. I have been against the whole method of collecting the tax, and
I am not in favour of taxing people who only come to the Colony on a short visit.
Hitherto, the period of exemption was up to -3 months and I think this should
continue to operate. I think I have to agree with Mr. Bonadie that it might do us
more harm than good.






Hon. Member for North Windward: I am afraid I have to disagree with the
oHon. Members as regards taxing visitors to the Colony. I remember when I first
visited Dominica, 1 had to pay-(of course I had nothing to do with any payment
on my last visit)--I spent three weeks there, and when I wasready to leave and
presented my ticket, I was told that I had not paid my ticket duty and I paid it
then and didn't entertain any bad feelings of Dominica. That is still the practice
in Dominica indi I don't think it prevents people from going to that Colony'.
President :. Now we have had various opinions before this House. The opinion
of Messrs. Bonadie and Brisbane is that we should-not tax visitors who remain in
the Colony for a period not exceeding three months, although I am not certain
from what Mr. Bonadie said whether he wishes to revert to the original three
month's or not to tax visitors at all.
Hon. Member for South Windward: I move that we should revert to the
Status quo and that visitors shouldnhot have to pay up to a period of three months.
This Motion was lost, the voting being :-
3-for
5-against.
Hon. O. D, Brisbane : What were the,exemptions in the original Ordinance?
Honourable Colonial Treasurer :
(a) In the case of bona fide students proceeding to educational
establishments for the purpose of study.
(b) In the ease of distressed persons when the Governor has authorised
their repatriation as a matter of public policy.
(c) In the case of any ticket or voucher issued to any bona fide trafficker
for the receipt of passage money for a passage to any place outside the
Colony but within the West Indies.
(d) Gdvernment Officials and other persons travelling on- Government
business at the expense of Government. -
(e) Children of 3 years of age and under.
(f) Visitors leaving the Colony-after a stay. not exceeding three months.
(g) Passengers leaving for, medical attention at Carriacou.
Hon. O..D. Brisbane : I think that consideration should be given to increasing
*the limit of exemption for a child.
Clause 2--Section 4 of Principal Ordinance (Amended).
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 3-Commencement...
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 1-Short Title and enacting Clause.
Question put and agreed to.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that the Committee rise,
Counci resume and the President report back to the Council.
Honourable Crown Attorney,: I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Report Stage.
President : I beg to report that the Ticket Duty (Amendment) Ordinance,
1950, has passed through the Committee stage without amendment.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that the President's report be,
adopted.
Honourable Crewn Attorney : I beg to second the Motion. *
Question put and agreed to.





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Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that the Bill be read a third
time by title and passed.
Honourable Crown Attorney.: I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Bill read a third time..
President : We now have, G'entlemen,-wo Stamp -Amendment Bills one is-on
the Agenda and'the othei is on the addendum to your Order Paper. I suggest
that we have both bills read a second time and then take them both in Committee.
Agreed.
President I call upon the Acting Colonial Treasurer to move the second
-: reading of a Bill for an Ordinance to amend the Stamp Ordinance Cap. 195.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : Mr. President, Honourable Members, I move
the second reading of a Bill for an Ordinance to -amend the Stamp Ordinance
Cap. 195.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Bill read a second time.
President-: I now call upon the Acting Colonial Treasurer to move the first
reading of the Stamp (Amendment) Bill.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer I beg to move the first reading of a Bill for
an Ordinance to amend the -Stamp Ordinance Cap. 195.
The objects of this Bill are :-
(1) to increase the Stamp Duty on annual licences to Banks to issue an'd
re-issue Bank Notes
(2) to fix a graduated scale of charges for the Stamp Duty payable on
receipts.
(3) to include cash bills issued by stores, shops etc., and to collect Stamp
Sduty thereon similar to that collected for receipts.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Bill read a first time.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to-move that the Standing Rules and
Orders of this Council be suspended to allow this Bill to be taken through all
stages at-this meeting of Council on the grounds of the Certificate of Urgency
which is before Hon. Members.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion. -
Question put and agreed to.
SHonourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that the Bill be read a second
time.
-Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Bill read a second time.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer: I beg leave to move that this Council
resolve itself into a Committee of the whole Council to consider the Bill clause by
-. clause.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to.second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.






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In Committee,
President: The Hon. Member Mr. Hughes has pointed out that Se'ction 15
(2) of the Principal Ordinance makes it obligatory for the Registrar to sell stamps.
We have now decided that the Registrar should not sell stamps, so the Ordinance
has had to be amended.
Honourable Crown Attorney : ..I suggest that Clause 2 of the new-Bill should
be renufhbered 3. The remaining clauses be renumbered accordingly, and that
SClause 2 should now read :
Section 15 of the Principal Ordinance is hereby repealed (as in Clause 2 of
the original Bill), and Clause 3 :-
S"The Schedule to the principal Ordinance as amended is hereby further
amended as follows :-etc.
Hon. Member for South Windward : I am wondering whether I should make
a submission for exemption. I have been asked by Members of the Kingstown
Board to plead for exemption from Stamp Duty.. The Board is a Municipal Body
and is just like a sub-department of the Central Government, and I see no reason
why they should pay stamp duty. The'e is nothing in the parent Ordinance
exempting the Kingstown Board from paying Stamp duty, and they have to take
the same Government money and pay back to Government in the form of Stamp
duty. I therefore ask; Gentlemen, that you agree to place the Kingstown Board
in the list of exemptions on those grounds.
Hon. O. D. Brisbane : I think that the matter should be gone into.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I raised that same question some time ago.
If, however, the Hon. Member is seeking exemption from Stamp duty on legal
documents, that could not be considered under this Ordinance.
The question should be put up by the Board for consideration' by Executive
Council.
Clause 2-Repeal of Section 15 of Principal Ordinance.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 3-Schedule of Principal Ordinance amended.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 4- Repeal-No. 19 of 1932-No. 26 of 1949.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 5-Commencement.
S Question put and agreed to.
Clause 1-Short title ahnd enacting.Clause.
Question put and agreed to.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer: I beg to move that the Committee rise,
Council resume and the President report back to the Counail.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
'Question put and agreed to.
President :' I have the honour to report that there were two Bills considered
in Committee for amendment of the Stanmp Ordinance. These two Bills have,
now been consolidated into one Bill; Section 2 of the original Bill is now Section 2
of the new Bill, the other sections remaining as before, except for their
re-numbering.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that the President's report be
adopted.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.




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Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to-move that the Bill be read a third
time by title and passed.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion..
Question put and agreed to.
Bill read a third time.
Presiden-' IT" callupon the Acting Colonial Treasurer to move the "first
reading of the Package Tax Bill.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer.: I beg leave to move the first reading of a
Bill for an Ordinance to impose a-tax on packages imported into.the Colony.
The object of this Bill is to impose a tax on every package imported into the
Colony.
.:: ioMembers' attention is drawn to the-Certificate 6f Urgency attached to
this Bill. .
SHonourable Crown Attorney : Ibeg -to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Bill read a first time.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to niove that the Standing Rules and
Orders of the Legislative Council-be suspended to enable' this Bill to be taken
through.all stages at this meeting of Council.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move thatthe Bill be read a second
time.
Honourable Crown Attorney : beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Bill-read a second time.
Hon. O. D. Brisbane : Your Honour,'I only want to be consistent in what I
have been doing. I did not support tht introduction of this Package Tax Bill on
certain grounds.-. I was of the opinion that the imposition- of a tax on articles
imported into the Colony was not correct in view of our present poor landing
facilities. If we had a proper Custorn, and-landing stage, and this tax was levied
so as to pay the cost of erection of these port facilities, then I would agree to a
Landing Tax.
Gentlemen, if on the other hand there is urgency in the matter ot increased
revenue, I feel that some other source could be devised rather than this tax. /
SI want you toknow that I still feel as I felt with regard to this taxation. I
am moving here that the Bll be not proceeded with, and if there is no support
from other Members, well, I ask that I take no further part in the debate on this
Bill.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer: I 'should like to draw the Hon. Member's
attention to the fact that the question of Port & Landing facilities does not arise
as regards this tax, because he will observe that provision is made in this legislation
for the imposition of this' tax on packages passing through the Post Office. The
question of our not being possessed at the present time of ideal warehouses'and
harbourf.acilities should not be. permitted to operate against the enactment of
this particluar.Ordinance here. We are diffident to increase warehouse rent and
harbour dues because qf the lack of what we consider to be ideal conditions, but
don't let this red herring be pulled along the trail because of that.






S Ion. -Member. for South -Windward: I am in partial agreement with the
objection made by the Hon. Member. f find that this Bill seeks to take over a
Possible source of revenue that the Kingstown Board has been trying to raise for
a long time. -I remember that the Kingstown Board approached Government -
asking-to be permitted to impose a Package Tax in order to assist in building the
new market and we were refused by Government saying that they did not see any
necessity for such'a tax. If this BilLis imposed I am going to see whether I can
put in a constitutional objection as to whether this Government is not trespassing
on the provinces of the Kingstown Board.
Hon. Member for Kingstown : Yopr Honour, the Kingstown Board put up as
their object for this-tax to raise-funds for erecting a new market. Although it was .-
a very laudable object, Government did not agree, and the reason put forward.for
not granting the request, Was that the Bo'ard could not impose a tax on all articles .
imported into the whole Colony, but could only levy a tax on packages imported
for Kingstown. The.Board also put up a request for a Municipal Tax, and some
objection was made-to this also, although the Castries Town Board imposes such
a tax.
SBut although 'thi Tax was not allowed to the Kingstown Board I find myself,
at present having to agree;to eveiy measure for increasing revenue, and that is
why I agree. to have this-Package Tax.
President: There is a Motion before the House moved by the Hon. Brisbane.
that this 3ill be -not proceeded with.
Motion-not seconded.
Bill proceeded with.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer: I beg leave to move that this Council
resolve itself into a Committee of the whole Council to consider the Bill clause by
clause.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.

SIn Committee.
Clause 2-Tax on Packages of goods imported.
Question put and agreed to. .
Clause 3-Tax to. be paid on delivery of package.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 4-Calculation of Tax.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : In so far as the proviso under Clause 4 is
concerned, Council may possibly have to be. approached with a view to having that
Sprqviso. amended. The Customs will have to get some experience with regard to
loose packages first and they will be preparing notes for reference. For the time
being there is this suggestion of six cents, for each hundred weight or for every
two cubic feet or part thereof. Forty cubic feet are regarded for shipping and
customs purposes as one ton, hence the relation between 1 cwt. so far as weight is
concerned and two cubic feet. so far as measurement is concerned.
Hon. W. A. Hadley : By what method will lumber be-taxed?
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : By measurement.
Question put and agreed to,




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Clause 5-Exemptions. .
Hoonourable Crown Attorney: I suggest that all goods and stores imported
by the Kingstown Board for the public use of the Colony be added to the list of
exemptions, by inserting the words goods imported by the King\stown Board."
Hon. Member for South Windward : The Kingstown Board does not pay duty
now.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 6-Commencement
Question put and agreed t6.
Clause 1-Short Title and enacting Clause.
Question put and agreed to.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that the Committee rise,
Council resume and the President report back to the Council. .
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put, and agreed to.
President: Hon. Members, I beg to report- that a Bill shortly entitled the,
Package Tax Bill, 1950, has passed through -the Committee stage of the House with
one amendment- to clause by the insertion of the words :--
"and the Kingstown Board" between the words government" and "for
the public use of the Colony under sub-section (c) thereof.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that the President's report be
adopted.
Honourable Crown Attorney : 1 beg-to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that a Bill shortly entitled
the Package Tax Bill, 1950, be read a third time by title and passed.
Honourable Crown Attorney : .I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to. -
Bill read a. third time.
S President: I now call upon the Acting Colonial Treasurer to move the first
reading of the Income Tax (Amendment), Bill, 1950.
Hon. Member for South Windward: Is this cyclostyled copy of the Bill in
keeping with the Standing Rules & Orders of Council?
Honourable Crown Attorney : There was a resolution before the House that
all Bills should be printed while Your Honour was away in Trinidad; I went into .
the question and I interpreted the Standing Rules & Orders 'on this question to
mean that it was not absolutely necessary to have the Bill printed for presentation
to Council, provided it was prepared ln some fqrm or other and handed to Hon.
Members before the__Meeting. It was agreed to by Hon. Members that where a
case of urgency existed, a Bill could be presented in cyclostyled form. It was also
agreed not to amend the Standing Rules & Orders.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : Mr.'President, Hon. Members, I beg leave to
move the first reading of a Bill for an Ordinance to amend the Income Tax
Ordinance, 1948.
The.object of this Bill is to impose a minimum .tax of $2.00 on the income of
certain individuals even though the actual tax when computed is below this figure.
Honourkble_ Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.






Honourable Colonial Treasurer: As a matter .of urgency, If be o move that
the-Standing Rules' an' Or.deris of this Council be suspended to enable this Bill to
be taken through all the stages at this meeting of Council.
Hbnourable-Crowfi Attorney: I beg to second the Motion.
Question p1ut and agreed to:
Honourable Colonial Treasurer: I, beg to move that thi Council resolve
itself into a Committee of the- whole Council to consider the Bill clause by clause.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
In Conitihiftee.
-Clause 2 -The Minimum Tax.
Hdn.' W.' A. Hadley : Doeds'this mean that no taxable person should pay less
than $2.00?
,President: The Hod. Coioniia Treasurer and the Hon. Crown Attorney will
give some explanation of the Bill.
Hdrouirabld C'oldnial:TreaBirfer The intention at the back of Subsection (b)
of Clause 2 was originally that's person who had a gross income of $500 or more
and who does not get dedidtioris in respect of wife or children should pay a
minimum tax'of '$2.00, but the'Hofiburable Crown Attorney has pointed out that
in the principal Ordinance' there is no provision for the phrase gross income or
family commitments. It is a case of the'individuial being eligible for deductions.
If .that follows, we would hardly be able to get the benefit that we expect to
get from this Ordinance.
Let us take the concrete case of an individual with a gross income of $600 a,
year. 'He is eligible -for paying Income Tax, but if you allow him to get all the
-f other deductions that it is possible for him,to get, that is, the British Resident's
deduction, the Earned Income deduction, his computation does not make him
liable for any tax at all rid strictly speakifig he should get a nil return.' But it is
not the intention that he should get the benefit of those deductions.
Honourable Crown Attorney : You are asking him to- pay a tax on his gross
incomlee'
Hon. Member for South Win~diard_: I would like to get some information on
this." So long 'asf -persoin has as low as one cent taxable then he is taxed $2.00.
So it means that you will be taxing' a minah'inorethan he should be taxed.
Honourable 'Coloiial TreaSurer': Yes, in other words, provided his- tax falls_
between- 1 .and $2.00, he has to pay $2.00, which is the minimum tax. payable.
Hon. Member for South Windward: What is the idea of wilfully.taxing a
man more than he.can pay?
President-: We are assuming that anyone who is liable to being taxed is in a
position to contribute $2.00 to the Colony's revenue.
Hon. Member for South Windward i Is that done anywhere else?
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : In Barbados a miriimum tax of 5/- is"
imposed.
President:. Are Hon. Members generally -agreed that after obtaining all
deductions that the 'mitiiumm'tax ip 'able should' be$2.00?'
.Hon. Member for Sduth'Win'diwatdr:' I feel that $2.00 is too high.
Hon. W. A. Hadlerf.V I consider'that a man who has earned $500 a year and
ia-due to pay a tax should pay a minimum tax'of $2.00







Hon. Member for South Windward : I will not .pass that.
Hon. Colonial Treasurer: I should mention that we haye found in actual
practice that there are quite a number of people-whose tax is.calculated at 9S
and 5.
Hon. Member for Kingstown : I think that we should stick to the principle
that a man is given just sufficient to live on and we should not tax him on that
amount.
President : Those in favour of proceeding with the Bill?
7-for
2-against.
President : There is a difference between sub-sections (a) and (b) Under
(a) a man would have to have an income of at least'$1,000 per annum before he
is called upon to pay',a minimum tax of $2,00. Can we, therefore, agree that
-spb-section (a) is in o'rder;- that after obtaining all deductions to which he is
eligible he should pay a-minimum tax'of $2.00?
Voting on sub-section (a) :-
7-in favour
2-a'gainst.
President: Now, this question'of sub-section (b) is much more difficult, You
are-really moving, Mr. Treasurer, that people who have no wife or family should
n6t be in fact be eligible for any deductions.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : May I suggest that as this matter seems to
be so contentious that we remove sub-section (-b) from this Ordinance.: The Hon.
Crown Attorney advises that all will be covered by-sub-section (a).
President: May Clausd 2 as amended now stand part of the Bill?
Agreed.
Clause 1-Short Title and enacting Clause.
Question put and agreed to.
Honourable "Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that the .Committee rise,
Council resume and the President report back to the House.
Honorable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.

Report Stage.
President : I have the honour to report that the Income Tax (Amendment)
Ordinance, 1950, has passed through the Committee stage and that there
were two amendments : the deletion of Sub-section (b) and of the letter (a) in
the first paragraph,-and the replacing of, the semi-colon after dollars with a
full-stop.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that the President's report be
adopted.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to. a -
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that the Bill be read a third
time by title and-passed.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I'beg to second the Motion. ,
-Question put and agreed to.
Bill read a third time.







-President : I call upon the Acting Colonial Treasurer to move the first
reading of the Supplementary Appropriation ('1949) Bill. -
Honou.rable Colonial Treasurer : Mr. President, Hon. Members, I beg leave to
move that a Bill for an Ordinance to sanction certain payments from the Public
Treasury in excess of the sums granted by the Appropriation (1949) Ordinance,
1948 (No. 29 of 1948) for the year ended the 31st day of December, 1949, be read a
first time.
The object of thisBill is to sanction certain -payments from the Treasury in
excess of those provided by the 1-948 Ordinance, for the year ended 31st December,
1949.
Honourable Crown-Attorney-: .I beg to second the Motion,
Question put and agreed to.
Bill read a first time.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that the Standing: Rules &
Orders of this Council be suspended to enable this Bill to be taken through all
stages at this meeting of Council.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to. -
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that the Bill be read a second
time..
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Bill read a second time.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that this Council resolve
itself into a Committee of the whole Council to consider the Bill clause by clause.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.-
Question put and agreed to.

In Committee.
Clause 2-Legalisation of Expenditure in excess of Appropriation.
Q~destion put and agreed to
Schedule.
Question put and agreed to
Clause 1-Short Title and enacting Clause.
Question put an4 agreed to
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that the Committee rise,
Council resume and the President report back to the Council.
'Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.

Report Stage...
President : I have the honour to report that the Supplementary Appropriation
(1949) Bill, 1950, has been considered by a Committee of the whole Council and
passed through Committee Stage without amendment.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that the President's reported
adopted.




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Honourable Crown Attorney I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.- ::
Honourable Colonial, Treasurer: I beg to move that a Bill entitled the.
Supplementary Appropriation (1949) Bill, 1950, be read a third time by title and
passed.
Question put and agreed to.
Bill read-a, third time.
President: I now call upon the Hon. Crown Attorney to move the second
reading of the King George V Playing Field (Amendment) Bill.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to move-that tle King George V Playing
SField (Amendment) Bill be read a second time.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Bill read a second time.
Honourable Crown 'Attorney : I beg to move that this Council resolve itself
into a Comnittee of the whole Council to consider the Bill clause by clause.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
In Committee. -
Clause 2-Section 4 of principal Ordinance repealed and-replaced.
President : I interpret 'Hon.. Members' wishes to be that the existing
Committee should not be re-appointeg and a Committee to replace the -present,
Committee which will be dissolved at the end of this year should be appointed for
1951.. '
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 3-Repeal of 39 of 1949.
SQuestion put and agreed to,
Clause 1--Short Title and enacting Clause.
Question put and agreed to. -
Honourable Crown Attorney : I begto move that the Committee rise, Council
resume, and the President report back to the Council.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : ,I beg to secofld the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.

"Report Stage.
President : I beg to report that a Bill for an. Ordinance to amend the King
George V Playinig-Field Ordinance, 1945 has passed through Committee stage
without amendment.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to move that the President's report be -'
*adopted.
Question put and.agreed to.
Honourable Crown Attorney : 'I beg to rfove that the King George V Playing
: Field (Amendment) Bill, 1950, be'read a; third time by title and passed,
Question put and.agreed to.
Bill read a third time,





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Honourable Crown .Attorney: I beg to move the second reading of the
Kingstown Board (Amendment) Bill, 1950.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Bill read a second time.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg. to move that the Council-resolve itself.
into a Committee of the whole Council to consider the Bill clause by clause.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
S- In Committee. \
Clause 2-Section 24 of Principal Ordinance amended.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 3-Section 25 (2) amended.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 1-Short Title and enacting Clause.
Question put and agreed to.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg.to move that the Committee rise, Council
resume and the President report back to the Council.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.

Report Stage.
President. 'I have the honour to report that a Bill shortly entitled the
Kingstown Board (Amendment) Bill 1950 has passed through the- committee
stage without amendment.
Honourable Crown attorneyy : I beg to move that the Pi~esident's report,be
adopted.-
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to second the Motion.
SQuestion put and agreed to.
Honourable.Croiwn Attorney: I beg to move that the Bill'be read a third
time by title and passed.
Honourable Coloaial Treasurer : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and,agreed to.
Bill read- a third time.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to move that this Council resolve itself
into a Committee of the whole House to consider the Arrowroot (Amendment) Bill
S clause by clause.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.

In Committee.
-President : This Bill was left in Committee Stage because the Arrowroot
"Associaion had sonie amendments to make. These amendments -have now beel
received.
Clquse 2-Section 4 of Principal Ordinance repealed and replaced.
Question put and agreed to. .







Clause 3-Section 7 of Principal Ordinance repealed and replaced.
Honourable Crown Attorney : There are far too many capital letters in this
Clause. I move that where such..capitals are unnecessary that they should be
deleted throughout the Bill.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 4-Section 8 of Principal Ordinance repealed and replaced.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 5-Section 13 of Principal Ordinance.
Question.put and agreed to.
Clause 6-Section 15 (4) of Principal Ordinance Repealed and replaced.
President : In order to make this quite clear the Arrowroot Association have
asked that the 9th line of this sub-section (4), should now read :-
"One fifth of the total votes which all Members present at such General
Meeting would have on the taking of a poll"
Question put and agreed to./
Clause 7-Amendment of Section 29 of Principal Ordinance.
Question put and agreed to..
Clause 8-Addition to Schedule of Principal Order
SQuestion put and agreed to.
Clause 9-Repeal.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 10-Commencement.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 1-Short Title and enacting Clause.,
Question put and agreed to.
Honourable Crown Attorney': I beg to move that the Committee rise, Council
resume and the President report back to the Council.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I-beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.

Report Stage,
President -I beg to report that a Bill shortly entitled the Arrowroot
(Amendment) Bill has passed through the Committee with the following
amendments:-
(1) The deletion of all unnecessary capitals throughout the Bill
(2) The. insertion of the words "which all" between- "votes" -and
Members in line 9 of Section 6, sub-section (4) and the addition of
S the words "would have in the taking of a poll" after the word
meeting ".
Honourable Crown Attorney: 'Ibeg to move that the President's report be
adopted.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer: I beg to second the Motion:
Question put and agreed to.
Honourable Crown Attqrney : I beg to move that the Bill be read a third
time by title and passed.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer: I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Bill read third time.






IN COMMlrrIrE.

The Public Assistance Bill.
Clause 2--Interpretation.-
Honourable -rown Attorney : I wduld-like-to pint out that in Clause 2 the
words "Public Assistance Officer" should be substituted for Chief-Relieving
Officer "
Question put: and agreed to.
Clause 3-A3ppointment .and duties of Chief Relieving Offcer.
Honourable Crown- Attorney:: I make application for a similar amendment
as .in Clause 2 under this clause.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 4-Appointment of Public Assistance Officer..
Honourable Crown Attorney5: Similar amendment should-be made in line 2,.
sub-section 2.
Question put and agreed to. -
Clause 5-Establishment of Publie- Assistance Board..
Hon. Member. for Kingstown : Does the Governor appoint the Chairman of
the Board?
President:,. It -ould appear that the Governor appoints the Chairinan.
Question put arid agreed to.
Clause 6--Tenure of Office'and proceedings of Board.
Hon. Member for Kingstown: I suggest that if the Chairman does not turn
up at-a meeting the Board should appoint a Deputy Chairman.
Honourable Crown Attorney : The Governor appoints the Deputy Chairman
also.
-I6n. Member for Kingstown : It might be more convenient-for the Board to
appoint* its Deputy Chairman. I suggest sub-section 5 of Clause 6 be deleted and
the following substbituted'to cover this : (5) In the absence-of the Chairman,
the members of the Board present at a meeting shall-elect one of their members
.to act as Chairman"
President : May Clause 6 as ameiided stand part of the Bill?
Aye.
'Cldise 7-Appointment, Allowances and Duties District Relieving Officer.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 8-Appointment and Constitution of District Committee.
Honourable Crown Attorney i The whole of clause 8 should be replaced by a .
new clause defining the functions of the-small Town Boards and Village Councils--
as follows : -
"8. (1)' It shall be lawful for the Goverhor, from time to time, to appoint
District Cornmittees for such district or districts as he may prescribe.
(2) District Committees shall consist of-
S (a) a'Board appointed under the Small Towns Regulation Orrinance,
as amended, or under any other Ordirnance or Ordinances repealing-
arid replaciig the same; or/
(bh) a Village-Council appointed under the Village Councils Ordinance,
1f948, as amended, Or under. :any other Ordinance or Ordinances
S repealing or replacing the same, or





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(c) such number, of other persons as the Governor may deem necessary,
and shall perform such functions as are prescribed by this Ordinance, or by
regulations made thereunder; and shall advise the Governor on such matters
in connection with public assistance within their districts as may be referred
to them.
(3) District Committees other than a Board or a Village Council shall
elect one of their number to be Chairnian of the Committee,-but in the case
of a Board dr a Village Council the Chairman -of such Board or Village
Council shall be Chairman of the District Committee. The Chairman shall
convene meetings of the Committee at such times as may be necessary."
Question put and,.agreed to.
Clause 9--Chief Relieving Officer to submit list of public Assistance Recipients
to District Comnrittees.
Presidefit : With the substitution of "Chief Public Assistance Officer" for
Chief Relieving Officer, may Clause 9 stand part of the Bill-?-
Members : Aye.
Clause 10-Suit may be brought for relief given against the person relieved or his
S representative.
S President: With the substitution of "Chief Public Assistance Officer," for
Chief Relieving Officer, may Clause 10 stand part of the Bill?
Members : .Aye.
Clause 11-Regulations. -
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 1-Short Title and enacting clause.
Question put and agreed to.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I beg to move, that the Committee rise, Council
resume and the President report back to the Council.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg -to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.-

Report Stagqe
President : I-beg to report,that the Public Assistance Bill has passed through
A the Committee Stage of Counc' with the following amendments:-
(1) The title ".Chfef-Public Assistance Officer" has been substituted for
Chief Relieving Officer" under Sections 2, 3, sub-section (1) & 2 Section 4 (2),
Section 7 (3), Section 9 (1) & (2), Section 10 (1)- nd Section 11; aild further that
S Clause 6, subsection 5 was deleted and a'new clause substituted; and that Clause
8 was deleted and a new clause substituted.
Honourable Crown ,Attorney : I beg to move that the President's report be
adopted.'
Honourable Colonial Tr6asurer: Ieg to second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Honourable Crown Attorney: I beg to move that the Bill be read a third
time by title and passed.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to second the Motion.
Question put and. agreed to.,.
Bill read a third time. -








Honourable-Crown Attorney: I beg to move that- the Dangerous Drugs
(Amendment) Bill which was left in Committee Stage be withdrawn and replaced
by another Bill.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I second the Motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Honourable Crown Attorney : I move that this Council now- adjourn.
onourable Colonial Treasurer : I beg to second bhe Motion.

S On Adjournment.'
Honourable O. D. Brisbane : It is .customary at the close of the last meeting
of the year to say, that we are thankful to know that we have passed through the
year and crossed over the'stormy seas of the Budget, and in so doing offer
felicitations to the Head of the .Government.
Today, at 'the end pf this meeting, I must say that we have had quite a lot of
work to do in this island'for the-year-not only at meetings of Council, but other
meetings in, which members also had to take part. We have been able to get
S through the Budget,'and although things are not as good as we would like them
to be, they might be worse. We hope that the New Year will bring us something
better, and that we will get the assistance we are asking the Colonial Office for.
I must offer to His Honour' and /his wife and family the best wishes for a
Happy Christmas. We know that they have the interest of this Island at heart;
we know that His Honour has a deep interest in the Government of this Colony,
and we know that Mrs. Coutts is taking an active part in work, both social and
otherwise. We are very pleased to have them with us, and on behalf. of the
Members of this Council and myself, I beg to offer them best wishes-for a Happy
Christmas and a Prosperous New Year.
Honourable W. A. Hadley,: From the number of empty chairs around the
.table, I don't think Members of Council are taking their duties seriously enough.
They should realise that this is the last meeting for the year, and make a special
effort to attend. Your Horiour, I'wish yourself, and Mrs. Coutts & family-a very
Happy Christmas-and a truly Prosperous New Year.
Honourable Member for North Windward: We have had a strenuous year,
and are thankful to Providence that we have been brought to this stage where we
are saying good-bye to the Old Year, and although there is some gloom,' again I
say we must be optimistic and face the future with faith and confidence.
-We know that the Administrator has had a very hard time.trying tostudy the
problems that face Government and this Island. We have shared with him many
anxious moments, and now that Xmas is approaching, we are able to breathe a
sigh of relief and wish himself, Mrs. Coutts and family a very Happy Xmas. This/
is a time of refreshment of the wcary soul, knowing that God is in Heaven, and I
do hope that the Administrator will be refreshed and that when we come to face
the problems of the New Year, we also will return refreshed.
Hon. Member for Kingstown: Your Honour, Hon. Members of Council,
everyone realises that things are not what we would lIke to see them at this stage,
but it is said that'the darkest hour-is before the dawn. However, I do not think
that we should accept all the blame for the darkness that prevails. It is a state
that is prevailing throughout the world, and better times will come. Here in St.
Vincent we have been comparatively prosperous in the past, and if the reverse
comes I think we should put our shoulders to the wheel. There are a lot of things





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we can look forward to. We expect that this Xmastide will bring peace and
goodwill, but the peace will never come until we get the goodwill. Next year we
are to have anew constitution, and just around the corner I believe politicians are
looking for Federation of the West Indies. I only hope that the other Colonies
will speed up Federation, as I believe- the future prosperity, not only of St. Vincent
but of the other West Indian Colonies, rests on that;.
We have weathered the storm and have been, able to come out at the end
grasping each other's hands, trying to do what we can for the welfare of St.
Vincent as a whole; and I do hope we will return continuing that co-operation in
everything a ld working in the interest of the Colony and not cur own. You,
yourself,-sir, have worked hard and co-operated with us, and I think that you will
continue working with us and we working with you for the good of the Colony.
I do not usually wish anyone a Happy Xmas, but I hope that you will enjoy
the season, yourself-and family, and that you will be happy.
President Hon. Members, in replying I must thank you very much for your
good wishes to myself and family, which I heartily reciprocate to yourselves and
also to your families. I wish you. a very happy Xmas and I hope what will be-
as the Hon. Member on my right said-a truly prosperous New Year.
I don't think any of us should be the least bit ashamed of what has happened
this year. I think we have done all we could in difficult circumstances, and if we
think things will be 'more difficult next year let'us take it with a feeling that
nothing is worthwhile doing which is too easy to achieve.
SIt is said that uneasy lies the head which wears the crown ". I hope that
this will not drift'to Hon. Members and that they will lie easy. -
Don't, however, let us be complacent : don't let us sit back and say all will be
well, and expect everything to be all right. *
We must try'to do all we can all together in an effort to make things better.
With these words I close, and wish you the very best of luck and extremely
good conditions-not only this.year but for 1951.

SCo.ucil adjourned.

HENRY H. WILLIAMS,
SActing.Clerk of Legislative Council.


Confirmed 8th June, 1951.

SWe F. COUTTS,
Administrator.





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Supplement: Balance Sheet of the St.
Vincent Agricultural Credit and Loan
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