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    Statutory Rules and Orders, no. 108: Dangerous Drugs (Application) (Amendment No. 2) Order, 1950
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    Statutory Rules and Orders, no. 109: Crown Land Forest Produce (Amendment) Rules, 1950
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    Statutory Rules and Orders, no. 110: Prices Control (Amendment No. 37) Notice, 1950
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    Accounts of the Colony for the period 1st January to 31st July, 1950 & Kingstown Board Water Rates for the year 1951
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    Minutes of Meeting of the Legislative Council held on July 17, 1950
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SA INT VINCENT.


GOVERNMENT GAZETTE


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VOL. 83.] SAINT VINCENT, TUESDAY, 19 DECEMBER, 1950. [No. 64.


GOVERNMENT NOTICES.


No. 600.
THE DIPLOMATIC PRIVILEGES (UNITED NATIONS EDUCATIONAL,
SCIENTIFIC AND CULTURAL ORGANISATION) ORDER, 1950.

In pursuance of paragraph (a) of subsection (3) of section 3 of the Diplomatic
Privileges Ordinance, 1947, (No. 40 of 1947) as amended by the Diplomatic
Privileges (Amendment) Ordinance, 1948, (No. 28 of 1948) the Governor hereby
gives notice of the following amendments of the list published in Gazette No. 523
of 31st October, 1950 of the persons upon whom immunities and privileges have
been conferred by the Diplomatic Privileges (United Nations Educational,
Scientific & Cultural Organisation Order 1950) (S.R. & O. 1950 No. 24) the said
amendments taking effect from the 15th June, 1950 :-
Members of the Executive Board of the United Nations Educational, Scientific and
Cultural Organisation (Article 9 of the Order) :-
REMOVE :
Professor Stanislaw Arnold. .
Professor Chen Yuan.
Dr. Manuel Martinez Baez.
Dr. Guillermo Nannetti.
Dr. E. Ronald Walker.
ADD :
Dr. Rafael Bernal Jimencz.
Dr. Antonio Castro Leal.
Mgr. Jean Maroun.
Mrs. Geronima Pecson.
Professor Jean Piaget.
No. 601.
In pursuance of paragraph (a) of subsection (3) of section 3 of the Diplomatic
Privileges Ordinance, 1947, (No. 40 of 1947) as amended by the Diplomatic
Privileges (Amendment) Ordinance, 1948, ('No. 28 of 1948) the Governor has
compiled the following list of persons upon whom immunities and privileges have
been conferred by the Diplomatic Privileges (International Labour Organisation
Order 1950) (S.R. & O. 1950 No. 28) the said list taking effect from the dates
specified after the names of the persons affected :--


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-80 SAINT VINCENT, TUESDAY, 19 DECEMBER, 1950.-(No. 64).


Wfgh Officials of the International Labour Organisation (Article 10 of thie
principal Order).
Mr. David A. Morse (Director-General), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. Jef Rens (Assistant Director-General), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. R. Rao (Assistant Director-General), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. C. W. Jenks (Assistant Director-General), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. Marius Viple (Assistant Director-General), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. L. Alvarado (Assistant Director-General), 1st August, 1949.
Mr. Jean Morellet (Assistant Director-General), 22nd May, 1950.
Members and deputy members of the Governing Body of the International Labour
Office and their substitutes. (Article 9 of the Order).
Government Members.
Mr. Roberto Ago (Italy) (substitute), llth February, 1949.
Mr. Henryk Altman (Poland), 11th February, 1949.
Senator M. Cingolani (Italy), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. Muslih Fer (Turkey) (substitute), 11th February, 1940.
Dr. H. D. J. Ferro (Argentina) (substitute), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. Jonas Gudmundsson (Iceland) (deputy), 1st July, 1949.
Mr. Henry Hauck (France) (substitute), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. H. H. Koch (Denmark), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. S. Lall (India), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. Lee-Yen-Ping (China), 14th July, 1949.
Mr. Bedrick Levcik (Czechoslovakia) (deputy), 19th March, 1949.
Mr. Helio Lobo (Brazil), 11th February, 1949.
Dr. Arthur MacNamara (Canada), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. Nillo Mannio (Finland) (deputy), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. Gonzalo Pizarro (Peru), 17th August, 1949.
Mr. Paul Ramadier (France), llth February, 1949.
Mr. J. J. Ricard (Denmark) (substitute), llth February, 1949.
Dr. E. R. Stafforini (Argentina), llth February, 1949.
Miss G. J. Stemberg (Netherlands) (deputy), 11th February, 1949.
Professor Fadil H. Sur (Turkey), llth February, 1949.
Mr. L. E. Troclet (Belgium), llth February, 1949.
Mr. Luis Valdes-Roig (Cuba) (substitute), 28th February, 1949.
Dr. E. R. Walker (Australia), 25th February, 1949.
Employers' Members.
Mr. Gulamali Allana (Pakistan) (substitute), llth February, 1949.
Mr. Juan Borgonovo (Argentina) (substitute), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. A. Calheiros Lopes (Portugal) (deputy), llth February, 1949.
Mr. P. Campanella (Italy) (deputy), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. Pedro A. Chapa (Mexico), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. L. E. Cornil (Belgium) (deputy), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. A. G. Fennema (Netherlands) (deputy), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. W. Gemmill (S. Africa), llth February, 1949.
Mr. M. G. Ghayour (Iran) (deputy), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. Fritz Hoynigg (Austria) (substitute), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. C. Kuntschen (Switzerland) (deputy), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. Jules Lecocq (Belgium) (substitute), ,11th February, 1949.
Mr. Lieu Ong-Sung (China) (deputy), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. Charles McCormick (United States), 27th June, 1949.
Mr. B. C. Mehta (India), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. H. C. Oersted (Denmark), llth February,'1949.
Mr. J. B. Pons (Uruguay), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. Harry Taylor (Canada) (deputy), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. P. Waline (France), 11th February, 1949.
Workers' Members.
Mr. Aftab Ali (Pakistan), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. S. de Azevedo Pequeno (Brazil) (deputy), 11th February, 1949,
Mr. P. R. Bengough (Canada) (deputy), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. A. Cofino Garcia (Cuba) (deputy), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. George P. Delaney (United States), llth February, 1949.
Mr. P. Finet (Belgium), llth February, 1949.
Mr. D. Bernardo Ibanez Aguila (Chile), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. Leon Jouhaux (France), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. Liu Sun-San (China) (deputy), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. A. E. Monk (Australia), llth February, 1949.
Mr. J. Mori (Switzerland) (deputy), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. Konrad Nordahl (Norway), llth February, 1949.
Mr. F. Santi (Italy) (deputy), 11th February, 1949.
Mr. P. J. S. Serrarens (Netherlands) (deputy), 11th February, 1949..
Mr. A. Soelven (Sweden) (deputy), 11th February, 1949.














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No. 602.
In pursuance of paragraph (a) of subsection (3) of section 3 of the Diplomatic
Privileges Ordinance, 1947, (No. 40 of 1947) as amended by the Diplomatic
Privileges (Amendment) Ordinance, 1948, (No. 28 of 1948) the Governor hereby
gives notice of the following further amendments of the list published in Gazette
No. 525 of 31st October, 1950 of the persons upon whom immunities and privileges
have been conferred by the Diplomatic Privileges (World Health Organisation)
Order 1950 (S.R. & 0. 1950 No. 26) the said amendments taking effect from the 2nd
June, 1950 :-
Persons designated to serve on the Executive Board of the World Health
Organisation, their alternates and advisers (Article 9 of the Order) :-
REMOVE :
Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic
Dr. N. Evstafiev.
Egypt
Dr. M. Nazif, Bey.
France
Mddecin general Inspecteur M. A. Vaucel.
Monsieur Paul Bertrand.
Mexico
Dr. Jos6 Zozaya.
Netherlands
Dr. P. van de Calseyde.
Philippine Republic
Dr. A. Villarama.
Dr. Antonio Ejercito.
Dr. Tranquilino Eligano.
Mr. M. C. Angeles.
Poland
Dr. V. J. Babecki.
Turkey
Dr. E. Tok.
Dr. K. Olcar.
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
Dr. N. A. Vinogradov.
United States
Mr. Alvin Roseman.
Venezuela
Dr. E. Tejera.
ADD :
Chile
Dr. Marcos Charnes.
El Salvador
Monsieur Albert Amy.
Italy
Dr. G. A. Canaperia.
Pakistan
Lieutenant Colonel M. Jafar.
Philippine Republic
Dr. Walfrido De Leon.
Dr. Jose N. Rodriguez.
Thailand
Dr. Svasti Daengsvang.
United States
Dr. Frederick J. Brady.
Mr. Knud Stowman.
Venezuela
Dr. Carlos Luis Gonzalez.


No. 603.
T ENDER S.

FRESH FfSH FOR GOVERNMENT
INSTITUTIONS.

Sealed Tenders will be received nt
Government Office until 3.00 p.inm, on
Thursday, 281h December, 1950 for the
supply to the Governm inent Institutions,
for the year 1951, of fresh fish as may
be daily or otherwise required for lhe
use of the Institutions.


Tenders are to be addressed to the
Government Secretary, Government Of-
fice, and distinctly marked on the enve-
lope Tender for supply of fresh fish".
Tenders over the prices fixed by the
Board of Control will iot be considered.
Any delivery charge-which would be
payable only when deliveries are made
in respect of each of the four Govern-
menti Tnstitulions to be supplied-
shonld be stated on the Tender separate
from the actual price of the commodity.













382 SAINT VINCENT, TUESDAY, 19 DECEMBER, 1950.-(No. 64).


The Government does not bind itself
to accept the lowest or any tender.
19th December, 1950.

No. 604.
APPOINTMENTS.

With reference to Government Notice
No. 172 of 30th April, 1946, His Hon-
our the Administrator has been pleased
to approve the appointment of J. L.
CHAPMAN, Esq., M.B.E., as Secretary
.and Executive Officer of the Central
Housing and Planning Authority as
from the 21st day of March, 1946.
19th December, 1950.
(P. F. 22).

No. 605.
POST OF PUBLIC RELATIONS AND
LOCAL GOVERNMENT OFFICER.

Mr. C. G. HUTGGINS, late of the Social
Welfare Department, which Department
has now been absorbed into the normal
Government machine, has been appoint-
ed to the new post of Public Relations
:and Local Government Officer, under
C.D. & W. Scheme D.1399. This ap-
pointment takes effect from 1st June,
1950.
19th December, 1950.
(A. 30/1950).

No. 606.
CIVIC COMMITTEE.

A new Civic Committee has been
appointed for the purpose of making
recommendations for the beautification
of Kingstown and its suburbs.
The personnel of the Committee is as
follows :-
Hononrable S. F. BONADIE, Chairman,
Kingstown Board (Chairma n)
R. T. SAMUEL, Esq., )appointed by
S.' O. JACK, Esq., the Kingstown
R. E. DaBREO, Esq., )Board
C.J.T. ANDERSON, Esq.,
Miss ELAINE WILLIAMS, appointed
C. G. HUGGINS, Esq., by the Ad-
Mrs. R. N. JACK, ministrator
E. G. WILLIAMS, Esq., (Secretary).
19th December, 1950.
1(P. 55/1944).

No 607.
-NOMINATION OF UNOFFICIAL MEM.-
BERS, BRITISH SECTION,
CARIBBEAN COMMISSION.

At an election held on 5th December,
1950, among the Briish Delegates to the


Fourth West Indian Conference, the
following were nominated for appoint-
ment by the Secretary of State for the
Colonies as unofficial Members of the
British Section of the Caribbean Com-
mission:-
Commission ers.
WILLIAM A. BUSTAMANTE,
G. H. ADAMS, B.A.,
Alternates.
S. T. CHRISTIAN, B:A., LL.M.,
W. H. COURTNEY, O.B,E.,
19th December, 1950j
(C. 4/1948).

No. 608.
DECLARATION UNDER THE PENSIONS
ORDINANCE, No. 16 OF-1948.

POST OF SECRETARY AND EXECUTIVE
OFFICER OF THE CENTRAL HOUSING
AND PLANNING AUTHORITY.

With reference to Governiment Notice
No. 604 of 19th December, 1950, it is
notified that with the approval of the
Governor in Council, the post of Secre-
tary and Executive Officer of the Cen-
tral Housing and Planning Authority,
shall be deemed to be pensionable while
held by J. L. CHAPMAN, Esq., M.B.E.
19th December, 1950.
(P. F. 22).


No. 609.


LEAVE NOTICES.


*VACATION LEAVE.

Mr. E. H. N. LABORDE, Senior Clerk,
six months' vacation leave with effect
from llth December. 1950.
19th December, 1950.
(P. F, 102).

No. 610.
Mrs. I. D, B. CHARLES, Junior Clerk,
Audit' Office, 2- months' vacation leave
to be followed by 3 months leave on
half pay with effect from 1 6th December,
1950.
19th December, 1950.
(P.F. 5)

No. 611.
GOVERNMENT PUBLICATIONS.

It is notified for general information
that there will be a 10C% increase as
from ]st J:nnary, 19i51, orn lie subscrip-
tion rate for the Govrinment Ga;zette
and on the prices of all printed matter
from the Government Printing Office.
19th December, 1950.
(A. 42/1948).













SAINT VINCENT, TUESDAY, 19 DECEMBER, 1950.-(No. 64). 383


No. 612.
LEGISLATION.

The following documents are.pub-
lished with this issue of the Gazette :-
S.R. & O. No. 108.-The Dangerous
Drugs (Application) (Amendment
No. 2) Order, 1950.
,(J. 49/1948).

S.R. & 0. No. 109.-The Crown Land
Forest Produce (Amendment).
Rules, 1950.
(J. 48/1944).

S. R. & 0. No. 110. The Prices
Control (Amendment No. 37)
Notice, 1950.
(T. 20/1949).
19th December, 1950.

No. 613.
SUPPLEMENTS TO GAZETTE.

The Accounts of the Colony for the
period 1st January to 31st July, 1950,
are published with this issue of the
Gazette.
19th December, 1950.

No. 614.
Copies of the minutes of meeting of
the Board of Education held on 17th
July, 1950, may be seen at Govern-
ment Office, the Kingstown Library and
at all Revenue Offices and District Post
Offices.
19th December, 1950.

No. 615.
The Kingstown Board Water Rates for
the year 1951 are published with this
issue of the Gazette.
19th December. 1950.

No. 616.
BANK HOLIDAYS.

Monday, the 25th December, and
Tuesday, the 26th December, being
Bank Holidays, all Public Offices will
be clcs 'd on those days.
19th December, 1950.

No. (17.
Monday, and Tuesday, 1st and 2nd
January, 1951, being Bank Holidays, all
Public Offices will be closed on those
days.
By Command,
A. V. KING,
Acting Government Secretary.
GOVERNMENT OFFICE,
19th December, 1950.


DEPARTMENTAL AND
OTHER NOTICES.

TREASURY NOTICES.
PAYMENT OF PENSIONERS.

Notice is hereby given that local
pensioners will be paid on Friday the
29th December, 1950.
30th November, 1950.
(F. 83/1939).

The Treasury will be opened for the
transaction of business at 8 a.m. on the
29th and 30th December, instead of 9
a.m.
11th December, 1950,


NOTICE TO CONTRACTORS, MER-
CHANTS AND OTHERS HAVING
CLAIMS AGAINST THE GOV-
ERNMENT OF ST. VINCENT.

1. Notice is hereby given that Con-
tractors, Merchants, and all other per-
sons having claims against the Govern-
ment for articles supplied or services
performed are requested to submit their
accounts to the Department concerned
on or before the 15th December.
2. Failure to submit claims in due
time may result in such not being paid
within the current year.
3. All persons indebted to the Gov-
ernment Departments are requested-to
settle their accounts on or before the
31st December, 1950.
30th November, 1950.
(F. 83/1939).
ST. VINCENT.
LAND AND HOUSE TAX NOTICE.

By the authority of the Land and House
Tax Ordinance, Cap. 194 of the
Laws of St. Vincent.

It is hereby notified for general infor-
mation that all persons who are in
arrears of Land and House Tax are
advised to make full settlement before
the end of this year, as it is proposed to
levy on the properties of such persons
whose taxes for 1950 and previous years
remain unpaid, and to put these pro-
perties'np for sale during the months
of January and February for the recov-
ery of the arrears of tax due.
BERNARD GIBBS,
Acting Colonial Treasurer.
Treasury Chambers,
Kingstown,
28th November, 1950.
(A. 47/1950).












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cUSTOMS NOTICES.

The undermentioned Livestock have
been seized for a breach of section 4 (1)
of the Import and Export (Control)
Regulations, 1939, as amended by sec-
tion 2 of the Import and Export (Con-
trol) Regulations, 1940.
Five (5) Sheep
Two (2) Goats
Twenty-two (22) Fowls.
4th December, 1950.
The undermentioned Livestock have
been seized for a breach of section 48
(2) Cap, 183.
One (1) Sheep
Seventeen (17) Fowls.
11th December, 1950.

The undermentioned have been seized
for breaches of sections 4.(1), 11 (1) of
the Import and Export (Control) Regu-
lations, 1939, as amended by section 2
of the Import and Export (Control)
Regulations, 1940.
Three (3) bags Tannias
One (1) bag Yams
Twelve (12) Fowls.
BERNARD GIBBS,
Collector of Cfistoms (Acting).
CUSTOMS,
18th December, 1950.
NOTICE.

FLOWER SEEDS.

It is hereby notified for general infor-
mation, that a new shipment of the.
following varieties of Flower Seeds has
just arrived and will be on sale at the
Offices of the Department of Agriculture
on week days between the hours of 9
a.m. and 12 noon and from 1 p.m. to 4
p.m. at the following prices:-


Calliopsis-Crimson King
Cristolo Prince of Orange
Mixed Colours
Balsam Lady Slipper
Canterbury Bells Mixed
Dianthus--Double Mixed
Gaillardia Giant Hardy Hy-
brid Mixed Colors
Hollyhock--Ever Blooming
Petunias Mixed Colors
Plilox Mixed Colors
Salvia Scarlet Dragon
Zinnias Giant Dahlia
Flowered Mixed
Sweet William Mixed Colors
Begonia--Prima Donna
Carnation--Dark Red
Flesh
S White
Yellow
Heliotrope Lemoune's
Giant Hybrid Mixed


]5c. per pkt.
15c. ,,
15c. ,,
22 .,
22c.
22c.
22c. ,,
22c.
22c. ,, ,,
22c. ,,
22c.
22c, ,,
220. ,,
35c.
35c.
35c.
35c. ,, ,
35c. .,
35c. ,, ,,


POST OFFICE NOTICE.

It is notified for general information.
that due to the Xmas/New Year Holi-
days 1950/1951 the Grenadines Contract
Mail and Passenger vessel will observe
the following itinerary to and from the
Grenadines :-
Wednesday 27th December 1950 com-
menee the Southward run to intermedi-
ary Islands and Union Island.
Thursday 28th December 1950 return
to Kingstown.
Wednesday 3rd January 1951 run to
Bequia and return to Kingstown.
Thursday 4th January 1951 commence
the Southward run to intermediary
Islands and Carriacou.
Friday 5th January 1951 return run
to Kingstown.
2. The normal contract schedule will
be resumed on Monday 8th January
1951.
G. ELFORD WILLIAMS,
Colonial Postmaster.
GENERAL POST OFFICE,
ST. VINCENT, B.W.I.
12th December, 1950.


POST OF SURVEYOR, DEPARTMENT OF
AGRICULTURE, DOMINICA.

Applications are invited for the post
of Surveyor in the Department of Agri-
culture, Dominica. The appointment
is non pensionable and will be on a con-
tract basis for a period of five years..
Salary will be at the rate of $2,640 per
annum. In addition, travelling allow-
ance at the rate of $3.60 per day will be
paid. Car allowance at the rate of $216,
per annum and 10 cents per mile will be
paid if the officer is required to keep a
car. A house is not provided.
Duties will consist mainly of survey
and demarcation of crown lands for
sale under a Land Settlement Scheme
and the laying out of contour works
under a Soil Conservation progr-mme.
The post requires active responsible
persons capable of working on their
own.
Applications with details of qualifica-
tions accompanied by two recent testi-
monials should be addressed to the
Superintendent of Agriculture, Domi-
nica, B.W.I.

L. KONG,
Acting Agricultural
Superintendent.


M. A. G. HANSCHELL, 2nd December, 1950.
Superintendent of Agriculture. I (A. 15/1950).













SAINT VINCENT, TUESDAY, 19 DECEMBER, 1950.-(No. 64). 385


MEDICAL NOTICES.

OPTHALMIC CLINICS.

NOTICE is hereby given that from
January 1st, 1951, these clinics will be
held at the Colonial Hospital (Bentinck
Lodge Annexe) Mondays and Wednes-
days instead of Tuesdays and Thursdays.
1st December, 1950.
(M. 34/1948).

YELLOW FEVER CAMPAIGN.

An international effort is being made
to eradicate the Aedes aegypti (mosqui-
to) the urban vector (carrier) of Yellow
Fever from the Western Hemisphere.
The first step in any such attempt is
to make a survey of the mosquito infes-
tation in the Colony.
Sanitary Inspectors are making a
house to house inspection throughout
the Island and people are asked kindly
to co-operate to make this survey a
success.

E. D. B. CHARLES,
Senior Medical Oficer.

6th December, 1950.
(M. 9/1944).


GENERAL ORDER.

Bands, singing processions and other
holiday gatherings will be permitted in
the town of Kingstown and other towns
from Mlonday 18th December, 1950, to
Tuesday 2nd January, 1951, from 6 a.m.
to 8 a.m. (Sundays excepted) except on
the following public holidays-Monday
and Tuesday 25th and 26th December,
1950, and Monday, and Tuesday 1st and
2nd January, 1951, when the time will
be from 6 a.m. to 6 p.m.

W. I. RANDOLPH,
Lieut- Colonel,
Superintendent of Police.

5th December, 1950.



CONTROL NOTICES.
RETURN OF STOCKS.
With reference to the Control Notice
dated 31st July 1950 it is hereby noti-
fied that the return of stocks requested
to be submitted by all Traders, by 12
o'clock noon on the 17th day of each
month during the hurricane season is no
longer required.


3. The only return now required is
that called for under the Prices Control
Order (S.R. & O. 1947, No. 25), for the
return of stocks to be submitted to the
Controller of Supplies by 12 o'clock
noon on the 2nd day of each month, the
return to contain stocks of the articles
in Part B of the First Schedule or any
other article in respect of which the
Controller of Supplies may by notice
require, held by Traders on the 1st day
of each month.
SDated this 2nd day of December,
1950.
(T. 30/1950).


EXPORTATION OF LIVESTOCK AND
FOWLS.

In exercise of the Powers conferred
on me by virtue of the Imperial Emer-
gency Powers (Defence) Akt, 1939, and
with reference to Section 3, subsection
(4) of the Imports and Exports Control
Regulations, 1939.
TAKE NOTICE THAT:-
For the purposes of these Regula-
tions the exportation from the
mainland of St. Vincent to the
Grenadines of all livestock and
fowls shall be an exportation of
such livestock and fowls from the
Colony, and such exportation is
prohibited except under licence
from the Competent Authority.
Dated this 5th day of December,
1950.

A. V. SPROTT,
Competent Authority and
Controller of Supplies.


GOVERNMENT COTTON 'GINNERY
NOTICE.
DEODORISED OIL.

The Government Cotton Ginnery from
August, 19,0, has been producing and
selling Deodorised Refined Coconut Oil ;
the ordinary Refined Coconut Oil is no
longer sold.
The attention of all consumers is.
drawn to the fact that Deodorised Coco-
nut Oil does not taste or smell of coconut
oil.
Any edible oil which tastes or smells
of coconut oil wns not purchased at the
Government Cotton Ginnery and is not
Deodorised Oil.

V. G. DASILVA,
Manager, G. C. Ginnery.
24th November, 1950.


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SAINT VINCENT. i(

STATUTORY RULES AND ORDERS. ,. ?

195"0, No. 108. "


THE DANGEROUS DRUGS (APPLICATION)
(AMENDMENT NO. 2) ORDER.

(Gazetted 19th December, 1950.)

WHEREAS by subsection (2) of section 13 of the Dangerous Drugs Ordinance,
1937, (hereinafter referred to as the principal Ordinance) power is conferred upon
the Governor to declare by Order in Council that Part V of the principal Ordinance
.shall apply to any drug of whatever kind in the same manner as it applies to
drugs mentioned in subsection (1) of section 13 of the principal Ordinance if it
.appears to the Governor in Council that the drug is or is likely to be productive, if.
improperly used, or is capable of being converted into a substance which is or is
likely to be productive, if improperly used, or ill effects substantially of the same
character or nature as or analogous to those produced by morphine or cocaine :
AND WHEREAS it appears to the Governor that the drug specified in the
:Schedule to this Order is productive, if improperly used, or is capable of being
converted into a substance which is or is likely to be productive, if improperly
used, of ill effects substantially of the same character or nature as or analogous to
.those produced by morphine or cocaine :
Now THEREFORE, the Governor in pursuance of the power conferred upon him
by subsection (2) of section 13 of the principal Ordinance is pleased, by and with
the advice of the Executive Council, to order, and declare, and it is hereby ordered
Sand declared as follows :-

1. Short title. This Order may be cited as the Dangerous Drugs
(Application) (Amendment No. 2) Order, 1950, and shall be read as one with the
Dangerous Drugs (Application) Order, 1950, (hereinafter referred to as "the
principal Order") and all amendments thereto.

2. Declaration. Part V of the principal Ordinance shall apply to the
drug specified in the Schedule to this Order in the same manner as the said Part
V applies to the drugs mentioned in subsection (1) of section 13 of that Ordinance.

3. Schedule to principal Order amended. The Schedule to the
principal Order is hereby amended by inserting after the drug "Methadyl acetate".
and before the drug "Phenadoxone" specified therein, the drugspecified in the
Schedule hereto.

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SCHEDULE.

Methyldihydromorphinone (commonly known as Metopon), its salts and any
preparation, admixture, extract or other substance containing any proportion of
methyldihydromorphinone.



Made by the Governor in Council this 1st day of December 1950.

HENRY H. WILLIAMS,
Acting Clerk of Executive Council.
(J 49/1948).

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SAINT VINCENT.

STATUTORY RULES AND ORDERS,

1950, No. 109.


CROWN LAND FOREST PRODUCE (AMENDMENT)
RULES.

(Gazetted 19th December, 1950).

1. Short title. These Rules may be cited as the Crown Land Forest
Produce (Amendment) Rules, 1950, and shall be read as one with the Crown Land
Forest Produce, 1946, (S. R. & 0. 1946, No. 28) (hereinafter referred to as the
principal Rules).

2. Schedule II of principal Rules repealed and replaced.
Schedule II of the principal Rules is hereby repealed and replaced as follows :

SCHEDULE II.
SCALE OF ROYALTY RATES FOR TIMBER ACCORDING TO GIRTH MEASUREMENT.

CLASS I CLASS II CLASS III CLASS IV CLASS V

Eight shillings S i x shillings F o u r shillings T w o shillings 0 n e shilling
for each corn- for each cor- for each corn- for each com- for each com-
plete foot of plete foot of plete foot of plete foot of plete foot of
girth girth. girth, girth. girth.


Mahogany
Bullet
Locust
Cyprus
Green Heart


Fiddlewood
Horse flesh
mahogany
Penny piece


L'Angelin
SMaruba
Breadfruit
Laurier
Olivier-bark
Shoemaker
bark
Sweetwood
Waterwood
White cedar
Wild cocoa


Bashie guava Bois flot
Bois agouti Iron wood
Breaknail Sanitary
Burnlime Mapoo
Gunstock Trumpet
Goumier Palms
Mahoe Turpentine
Mango
Man goumier
Spanish ash
Wild Tama-
rind and all
other trees
not men-
tioned by
name in this


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3. Schedule III of principal Rules repealed and replaced.
Schedule III of the principal Rules is hereby repealed and replaced as follows :

SCHEDULE III.
SCALE OF ROYALTY RATES FOR TIMBER ACCORDING TO CUBICAL MEASUREMENT AND FOR
OTHER FOREST PRODUCE.


Timber from trees of Class I


o0.
do.
do.
do.
Bamboo
Firewood


do.
do.
do.
do.
and Roseau


Class II
Class III
Class IV
Class V


Shingles
Palm seeds, any other seeds
Tan bark


per cubic foot

do.
do.
do.
do.
per bundle
per c o r d of 1282
stacked cubic ft.
per 100
per bag of 100 1
ditto.


Seven pence half-
penny
Five pence
Two pence halfpenr
Two pence
One penny
Sixpence

Two shillings
Sixpence
Sixpence
Six shillings


Wist, lines, bush-ropes, chain bush, For each person em-
cashoboo, resin, honey, beeswax, ployed on cutting!
bois (flot), orchids ; and collecting per
month Two shillings


7'- i -i:. GC-ovenor -in Cour'cil under Section 24 of the Forest Ordinance,
1I45, this 24th day of November 1950.

HENRY H. WILLIAMS,
Acting Clerk of Executive Conic,.
(J. 48/1944) .

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SAINT VINCENT.

STATUTORY RULES AND ORDERS,

1950, No. 110.


PRICES CONTROL (AMENDMENT NO. 37) NOTICE.


(Gazetted 19th December 1950)



1. Short title. This Notice may be cited as the Prices Control'
(Amendment No. 37) Notice.
-2. Amendment- The prices set out hereunder are the Maximum prices
for which the articles enumerated may be sold in the Colony and the First
Schedule Part B to the Prices Control Order 1947 (S.R. & 0. No. 25) is hereby
amended by- deleting all the words, figures and symbols occurring in the columns
opposite the articles: Cornmeal American," "Diesel Oil-In Drums," Diesoline
Oil-In Drums," and substituting therefore the following :-
FIRST SCE2DULN1--PART B.


Article. Maximum Wholesale Price. Maximum Retail Price.

Cornmeal-Area "A" Area "B" -Area "C."
'Cornmeal-
m, mricn ... $9.81per bag of 98 lbs. 12c. per lb. 13c. per lb. 14c. per lb.
Diesel Oil-
Iti Drums ... 39c. per Imperial 39c. per imp. 39c. per imp. 39c. per imp.
Gallon gallon gallon gallon
Diesoline Oil-
SIn Drums ... 39c. per Imperial 39c. per imp. 39c. perimp. 39c. perimp.
Gallon gallon gallon gallon

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Area A means the town of Kingstown and within one mile thereof.
Area B means all other places throughout the Colony other than those
mentioned in Areas "A" and C".
Area "C" means all the villages of Overland, Sanay Bay, Owia. Fancy
Windsor Forest and the St. Vincent Grenadines.

Made by the Competent Authority under ect-en 30 of the Pricee Conio!
Order 1947 (S.R. & O. No. 25) this 16th day -?f December 1950.
A. V. SPROTT,
Controller of Supplies.
(T 20/1949).

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MINUTES OF A MEETING OF THE LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL OF SAINT7i& EIT '
HELD IN THE LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL CHAMBER ON MONDAY, 17 \HPJ LY,
1950, AT 10.00 A.M.

PRESENT
His Honour W. F. COUTTS, M.B.E., Administrator, President,
The Honourable D. K. MCINTYRE, Acting Crown Attorney,
.. .. McD. SMITHs Acting Colonial Treasurer,
W. A. HADLEY, Nominated Member,
." G. A. MCINTosIn, Member for Kingstown,
E. DUNCAN, Member for North Windward,
E. A. JOACHIM, Member for Leeward,
S. G. DEFREITAS, Member for the Grenadines,
." S. F. BONADIE, Member for South Windward.

ABSENT
The Honourable 0. D. BRISBANE (absent from the Colony),
S E. A. C. HUGHES (excused).


1. PRAYERS.
The meeting was opened with prayer.

2. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES.
The Minutes of the meeting of the Council held on the 12th December, 1949,
which had been circulated were amended by insertion of the words of the
wealth between the words distribution and in in the 6th line from the
bottom on page 51, and were confirmed.

3. ANNOUNCEMENTS.
President : ionougable Members, we are met this morning largely to discuss
the question of the Standing Closer Association Comn'ditee's Reporc. You \\ill
remember that when we discussed in Finance Committeo the holding of this
meeting I also suggested we might try and arrange for the legislation dealing wvith
the election of 1951 to receive its first reading today. Unfortunately, we have not
been able to prepare- that legislation in time and it is probably unlikely that the
legislation will be ready until about the 10th of August. I thought it advisable
therefore that w heshould not delay the debate on the Standing Closer Association
Committee's report but that we should go on and debate it this morning and it
will be necessary therefore to call another meeting of the Legislative Council
some time in the first two weeks of i he month of August.
As regards the S.C.A.C. Report, I have been going into certain figures. You
will remember when we discussed' the matter nerlier we thought thai the actual
loIn +to the Colony y l he '1 implaemntr tion of 'the IToport would be iln the re'oion of
$70,000. I am eninpg to pskc the Clerk to circulate to you a minute on l0his, trnm
which you will see that the loss is likely to e in the riton of $127,,000. Th
reason I think is that we had for;otton to tnk" into consideration the fact that
when there is a Customs Union and the Caribbean area becomes therefore a free








trade unit, we will no longer be able to draw import duty on imports from British
Caribbean territories. That will make a difference in the import duties that we
draw at the present time. So when we come to consider the report I will be glad
if Members will 'ake these facts into consideration.

4. NQTICES OF QUESTIONS. .
Honourable Member for Leeward: .Your Honour and Honourable Members
.of Courci. I .-ve notice that I shall ask the followin:- questions-at a subsequent
meeting of Council:--
1! W1ll Government please say what is at'present being done to control the-
increasing dangerous erosion which is taking place at Coull's Hill and Rose
Bank?
2. Will Government please take early steps to .erect a bridge at Grove River
in the Cumberland valley?--
3. Will Government please state the cause for the delay in extending the
town boundaries at Barrouallie?
4. In view of the .hardship which the people -of Coull's Hill have been
undergoing in the past to receive letters, and the extra hardship caused by -
the removal of the Post officee to Spring Village, will Government please
take steps to give some measure of consideration by renting the house at
Cumberland, which is in a more central position, and which is available
for hire?

-Honourable Member for Kingstown : Your Honour and Honourable
Members of Council, I give notice that I shall ask the following questions at a
subsequent meeting of Council :
1. Will Government please state what further advice has been received from'
the Secretary of State for the Colonies concerning methods of raising
money for a Slum Clearance Scheme since it has been pointed out to him
that his previous suggestions were unworkable?
2. Will Government please state if the suggestions put up 6y the Methodist
Church authorities for obtaining money for slum clearance in St. Vincent
have yet been investigated?
If the reply is in the affirmative, is the scheme workable in" St. Vincent?.
3. Will 'Government please state whether the proposed Committee for the
purpose of surveying the system of taxation ih the Colony has been set up?
If so, has any report been received?
4. Will Government please take steps'to protect the dangerous corner on the
Camden Park Road near the dam.
5. Will Government please lay before this House information respectii.g the
1 monthly amounts of rum taken out of Bond by Liquor Dealers froni 1st
January 1949 to the end of June 1950.
6. Will Government please supply information regarding the amounts of rum
taken out of Bond for the purpose of making bay rum for the same period.
7. Will Government please state the amounts of duty collected for runi sold
for the purpose of making bay-rum for 1949 when the duty was 1/- a gallon
and the amount of duty collected for the same purpose since it has been
raised to 5/- a gallon to end of June 1950.







8. Will Government please say whether the idea of raising the duty from 1/..
to 5/- a gallon wvas considered from a health or revenue point of view?
If from a health point o vicw please state reasons-
9. Will Government please ascertain for the information of this House what
other Colonies in the West Indies use Brucine for denaturing rum in thle
manufacture of bay rum.
10.. Will Government please consider the advisability of collecting the ticket
duty at the Treasury instead of by the transport agents as at present.
11. Will Government please investigate the possibility of making arrangements
for renters of Crown Lands to pay their rents at district Revenue Offices as
complaints have been made that it creates a hardship by the present
arrangement whereby all payments have got to be made in Kingstown.
12. Will Government please say how soon is it intended to complete the work
started on the approach to the Council Chamber from the gate to the steps
in the Courtyard.
13. Government having stated in reply to my question in December 1949 that
thd people of this Colony come under the provisions of the Atlantic
Charter with regard to Freedom of Religious worship, will Government
please say if that includes the right to establish a Religion of their own?
14. Is Government aware of the fact that the Spiritual Baptists held their
patronal feast in Georgetovn last year (1949). and was given police
protection by the then Superintendent of Police Major D. S. Cozier?
15. Will Government please say whether/ this Denomination held a very
orderly and peaceful procession which was attended by members from all
parts of the Colony numbering several hundreds?
16., Will Government please state why these religionists were prevented from
holding a similar procession this year?
17. Will Government please quote the law under which the Superintendent of
Police acted in preventing this Religious body from-carrying on a peaceful
procession?
18. Will Government please say if the Crown Law Officer had been consulted
in the step taken to suppress Religious freedom as in this case of preventing
a peaceful Religious Procession?
19. Will Government please say if it had been the intention of the
Superintendent of Police to create a disturbance among peaceful citizens
had they proceeded to process through the streets in an orderly manner?
20. (a) Will Government please say if the following Religious bodies are
recognized by Government :
1. The Methodist Church
2. The Salvation Army
3. The Seventh Day Adventists
4. The Plymouth Brethren
5. The New Testament Church of God
6. The Pentecostal Assembly
7. The Cooperative Baptist Mission ol North America
(b) What constitutes,recognition of a Church in St. Vincent?
21. Will Government please say if the Holy Rollers of America would be
acknowledged and allowed to conduct worship in the Colony?







22. Will Government please say what Religions are prohibited in this Colony
and why?
23. Will Government please say if -it is true that the R. C. Church is to be
allowed to carry on idolatry at some near future date throughout the
streets of Kingstown?
24. Will Government please lay on this table copies of recent reports sent to
the Secretary of States concerning Shakerism.

Honourable- Member for South Windward: I give notice that I shall ask the
following question at a subsequent meeting of this Council :
Will Government please state what is the present position as regards the
new Biabou Primary School to be built? "


5. NOTICES OF MOTIONs.
Honourable Member for Kingstown: Your' Honour, and Honourable
Members of Council, I give notice that I will move at a subsequent meeting of
Council the following motion :-
"In view of the fact that the poorer classes of this Colony are in a
deplorable poverty-stricken condition : Also in view of the fact that there
is rampant dissatisfaction with prevailing conditions throughout the
Colony :
And because Government is unable to remedy conditions and the masses
have no confidence in Government and Religion being the only means
whereby these depressed people can find comfort in their misery and as the
Superintendent of Police and His Honour the Administrator have colluded to
deprive these people of their right to religious freedom in the Colony:
Be it resolved that this Council put forward the people's Petition to the
Secretary of State for the Colonies for the removal of the Superintendent of
Police and His Honour the Administrator before these depressed people
finding no relief from these disadvantages resort to desperation for relief."

6-. PAPERS LAID.
Council Paper No. 19 of 1950-Minutes of the meeting of Finance Committee held
on the 9th February, 1950.
Council Paper No. 20 of 1950-Minutes of the meeting of Finance Committee held
\ on the 20th February, 1950.
Council Paper No. 21 of 1950-Minutes of the meeting of Finance Committee held
on the 14th March, 1950.
Council Paper No. 22 of 1950-Minutes of the meeting of Finance Committee held
on the 4th April, 1950.
Council Paper No. 23 of 1950-Minutes of the meeting of Finance Committee held
on the 15th April, 1950.
Council Paper 'No. 24 of 1950-Minutes of the meeting of Finance Committee held
on the 28th April, 1950.
Council Paper No. 25 of 1950-Report on the Working of the Government Housing
Loans Board for the period 1st January to 31st December, 1949.







QUESTIONS AND REPLIES.

President: I now call upon the Honourable Member for Kingstown to ask
the questions standing in his name.

Honourable Member for Kingstown : Your Honour and Honourable Members
of Council I ask leave to ask the following questions standing in my name :
1. Will Government please explain how was it possible to expend so much
money on oiling the Lower Edinboro- road which was in perfect condition,
before paying attention to the Upper Edinboro road where the people are
unable to get out when rain falls.
A.- The Lower Edinboro Road is statutorily scheduled as a First Class Road,
whereas the Upper Edinboro Road (or Edinboro Village Road) is scheduled
as a Third Class Road.
The Lower Edinboro' Road is constantly used by all classes of motor
transport whereas the Edinboro Village Road is not designed to bear motor
transport at all and its use by motor vehicles is the occasion rather than
the rule.
The securing of safety for human life and chattels made the widening
-and improvement of the Lower Edinboro Road an imperative necessity in
the public interest. Such urgency cannot reasonably be considered to be
applicable to the Edinboro Village Road.

2. Will Government please say if the policy now is to demonstrate to the
public that private individuals and bodies are able to approach
Government and get things done while the requests of their representatives
on CoUncil are ignored, refused or turned down?
A. The reply is in the negative.

3. Will Government please state what is the position with regard to the
poorer persons being treated with Penicillin and Sulphur Drugs, it having-
been brought to my notice that injections etc. are very expensive and
above the reach of the poor people?
A. Having regard to medical indications patients are treated with these drugs
irrespective of whether they are'in non-paying wards or not.
4. Will Government please state if adequate supplies of these drugs are-kept
at the Colonial Hospital so as to ensure free treatment to deserving
persons?
A. Consonant with the availability of supplies sent in compliance with Crown
Agents indents, adequate supplies are stocked.
In emergencies, if drugs are not immediately available further supplies
are obtained from Barbados.

President : I now call upon the Honourable Member for Leeward to ask the
questions standing in his name.
Honourable Member for Leeward : Your Honour and Honourable Members of
Council, I beg leave to ask the following questions standing in my name :-
1. Will Government please say what is the reason for the suspension of work
on the water supply at DuBois in the Buccament Valley?








A. The work of protecting the DuBois spring was completed in December,
1949. The money available was insufficient to ;ead the water by pipe from
the spring to the village and no such work was attempted in 1949. Funds
have recently been made available and it is hoped that the work will soon
'be completed.
2. Will Government please state what is the position relative to the erection
of a dispensary and nurse's quarters at Layoiu?
A. Shortage of Public Works personnel prevented the construction of the
dispensary at Layou during 1949 as originally planned. Work on this unit
will be started on the completion of that at Biabou. No nurse's quarters
will be built at Layou.
3. In view of the fact that there have been numerous bus accidents at the
"Jameson's Hole and Camden Park corners on the Leeward Highway,
with consequent loss of human life and property, will Government consider
erecting retaining walls at these corners?
A. The whole question of the improvement of'curves and corners on the
Leeward and Windward Highways is -being considered by the Road
Authority and by Government, and Jameson's Hole and the Camden
Park Corner ", on sections 5 and 2 respectively of the Leeward Highway,
will receive attention in due course.
4. In view of the fact that the crews-of blackfish boats when out at nights
find it difficult to locate the island, and also inasmuch as it has beei
brought to my notice that captains of steamships and vessels experience
the same difficulty, will Government please take steps to improve the light,
at Fort Charlotte or provide adequate means to remedy this situation?
A. Government will consider this matter during the 1951 Budget Session.

President : I now call upon the Honourable Member for South Windward to
ask the questions standing in his name.
Honourable Member for South Windward: Your Honour and Honourable
Members of Council, I beg leave to ask the following questions standing in my
name:-
1. Will Government please make a full statement to this House regarding the
present position of the Hayward Bequest, and the reason for the long delay
in the opening of. the Hayward Baink?
A. The Executors under the Will of H. L. Hayward, deceased, have for some time
entertained doubts as to the validity of the trust expressed in the
Testator's Will.
On their doubts being communicated to Government, it was suggested
to them that they should seek an interpretation of the Will from the Court.
It is believed that this course is now being pursued, and Government has
,requested Counsel in Trinidad to advise them as to their position in-the
matter. The date of first Court hearing is set for 17th August next.

Hon. Menf. S. Windward : With. Your Honour's permission I will ask the next
three questions together because they seem t'o hinge on each other.
(Permission granted)









2. Is Government awarb-of the alarming encroachment of the sea on the land
at the Windward side of Young's Island?
3. Will Government please give an estimate of the area and the furthest
distance inland which the sea has eaten away at the Windwardside of the
said Young's Island over the past ten years?
4. Will Gbvernment please state what steps -are being taken to arrest this
rapid encroachment of the sea in order that this most delightful holiday
resort may be saved for posterity?
A. In answer to. the-first part : The reply is in the affirmative.
In answer.to'the second part : Neither the advance of the season the
Eastern shore nor its considerable retreat from the northern shore has ever
been measured.
In answer to the third part : If the state of the Colony's finances can
warrantit, provision will be made in the 1951 Estimates for this sea-defence
measure.

5. la) Will Government please state if any loans have been made by the',
Government Housing Loans Board to Civil Servants for the purpose of
building or purchasing property outside of the Colony of St. Vincent?
(b) Will Government please take immediate steps tb see that all loans
made by the said Housing Loans Board are given for the purpose of
purchasing or building properties solely within the colony of St.
Vincent, in view of the local housing problem?
A. (a) No loans have ever been made to applicants to purchase property
outside of the Colony and no applications of this nature have ever
been entertained or received by the Housing Loans Board.
(b) In view of the above the second part of the question does not arise.

6. Will Government please take steps to see that the local press is given the
true facts and figures about Government's policy and expenditure, thus
obviating wild and misleading conjectures which must take place in the
absence of such facts and figures?
A. Government has never refused to give the Press true facts and figures and
the Press has always been encouraged to ask for them.
Government is now issuing a monthly information bulletin, all the
material from which will be available to the Press.

7. In order to improve the local standard of journalism.will Government .take
steps to see that certain facilities are offered to local talent for training in
this profession?
A. The Colonial Office has during the past two years arranged for courses of
training for Colonial journalists in the United Kingdom, and has invited
nominations from this Colony of candidates who it was essential should-
-have had practical experience of journalism and of newspaper work. It
was equally essential that all possible steps should be taken to ensure that
the students return to responsible positions in their own Colonies on
completion ef the course .
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The authorities of the only local newspaper were invited last year and
this-year-to submit nominations, but the nominees on both occasions did
:not fulfil the-required qualifications for eligibility for these awards which
were limited to eight students for the whole Colonial Empire.

8. Will Government consider the possibility of, paying extra monthly
embluments to Primary. School teachers who have taken degrees and
special qualifications in education so as .to give ,encouragement and
greater incentive to the employees of this very poorly paid profession?
A. There is no teacher in the Primary Schools with a University degree.
One teacher while a British Council scholar in England' obtained ,the
title of Associate of the Institute of Education, London UniversMty, and
another took a course in Rural Education at Colombia University, U.S.A.
Both received-an honorarium on their return to the Colony.
.Two teachers who were recently successful in the Higher School
Certificate exarhination were granted additional increments, and teachers
who successfully completed courses of training at the Government Training
College, Trinidad, also receive additional increments.

9. Will Government please state the extent and cause of the damage done to
the crash launch which was recently, received by Government in connection
with the Colony's air service?'
A. The port propeller was smashed when the port external shaft-bearing
'bracket dislodged and the bolts were torn from the hull. The port rudder
was at the same time bent.
The starboard shaft-bearing wore out and both shafts showed marked
signs of wear.
These signs of wear may point to a combination of factors resulting
from design, workmanship, alignment, and quality of materials.
The possibility of the port propeller having hit a piece of floating debris
cannot be ruled out.
_. i should add for the information'of members that. since this answer
was drafted the launch has now been completely repaired and is in action
-again. Both engines had been out of alignment when the launch was
received here and that was the reason actually for the damage that had
been done.

10. Will Government please state the full amountof monthly emoluments and
Other allowances paid to nurses at the Colonial Hospital, including any
allowances for which no cash payment is made?









S'" Cost-of-Living Total
S Grade. Salaries. Bonus. .Allowances. up to


Senior Charge Nurse ... $720 x-60-$960 $127.20-$145.20 $315.00 $1,420.20 -
Charge Nurse ... $480 x $48-$720 $109.20--127.20 "$1;,62.20
Staff & Male Nurse .... $240 x $48-$480i $ 91.20-$109.20 $ 904.20
Probationer-- -. 7
with School Certificate $168 1.20 57420
SProbationer- m
without School Cer-
tificate ... $120' $ 91,20 '- $ 526.20.

*All Nurses get,the following allowances: L
Laundry ... ... $ 24 p.a.
Ration 60c. a day ... $219
Light $ 24 Nurses living ii the Nurses' Home get these
items free. Those boarding out are paid these
Quarters .. ... $ 48 amonuts..
$315

BILLS.
President: I now 'call upon the Honourable Crown Attorney to move the
.first reading of the Currency Bill, 1950.
Honouirable Crown Attorney (Acting) : Your. Honour, and Honourable
Members, I beg leave to introduce and have read a first time a bill for an
Ordinance shortly entitled the Currency Ordinance, 1950;
As will be seen in the Objects and Reasons" of the bill, there was a Currency
Conference held in Barbados in May, 1946. They recommended, on the terms and
conditions set out in their report, the "establishment of a unified system of
currency notes and coin for Barbados, British' Guiana, the Leeward Islands,
Trinidad and Tobago and the Windward Islands.
The report has been approved by the .Legislatures of the.Colonies concerned.
In this Colony approval was given at a meeting-of the Legislative, Council on
the ilth day of July, 1946.
The recommendations set out. in the report have been embodied in the
Agreement which is the first Schedule to the Bill.
The object of this-Bill is to carry into effect the report of the Currency
Conference.
It will also be noted that by Clause 14 of the Bill the Ordinance shall come
into operation on such date as the Governor shall by proclamation appoint. A
proclamation may-be issued'in re-pec t of currency notes only, or in respect of coin
only: In other words althouigi the Ordinance. covers both coin and currency,
-provision has been made Whiereby the Ordinance may be made to apply separately
to coin anti separately to currency."







Honourable Colonial Treasurer (Acting) : I second the motion.
Question put and agreed' to.
Bill read a first time.

MOTIONS.
SPresident,: I now call upon the Honourable Crown Attorney to move the
motions standing in his -name.
Honourable Crown Attorney .(Acting) : Your Honour and Honourable
Members of Council I beg leave to move, that this Council approve the
Regulations cited as the Government and Assisted Primary Schools (Amendment)
Regulations, 1950; made on the 30th day of June, 1950, by the Governor in Council
under section 29 of the Education Ordinance, 1937 (No. 29 of 1937).
Honourable Colonial Treasurer (Acting) -: I second the motion.
President: Is there any debate on the motion?
Honourable Member for South Windward: Except, sir, that I would like
some sort of explanation from the Honourable Crown Attorney as to what the
motion is all about.
Honourable Crown Attorney (Acting) : I thought the legislation was clear.
The primary schools in this Colony will b.e classified as 1; 2, or 3, in general
efficiency within their grade. Any school failing to attain the 3rd class of-
efficiency shall be regarded as inefficient. The recurrent failure of a, school to
attain at least the 3rd class of efficiency shall make the Head Teacher thereof
liable to be proceeded against under Regulation 69, on a charge of neglect of duty.
Regulation 69 has been amended to include among the penalties which may
be inflicted that of withholding-or stopping of increments. That was under
Regulation 81, but for the-sake of uniformity and convenience it was decided to
group all penalties under.Regulation 69.
Question put and agreed to.
Honourable Crown Attorney (Acting) : I beg leave to move that this Council
approve the Regulations cited as the St. Vincent Girls' High School (Amendment)
Regulations, 1950, made on the 19th day of May, 1950, 'by the Governor in Council
under section 29 of the Education Ordinance, 1937 (No. 29 of 1937).
The object of this legislation is to provide additional scholarships to pupils-of
the school who should be under 14 and 17 years of age on the 31st day of
December of the year preceding the year in which the award is made; there hall
be two exhibitions- for two years with free tuition, games and library facilities.
Such exhibitions shall be awarded on the results of the School Certificate,
Examination held in the year next preceding the year in which the award is to be
made.
No girl shall be allowed to retain the benefit of more than one scholarship at
.the same time.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer (Acting) : I second the motion.
Question put and agreed to.
Honourable Crown Attorney (Acting) : Your Honour and Honourable
Members, I beg leave to move that this Council appPbve the draft Standing Rules
and Orders of the Legislative Council of St. Vincent-drawn up by the Select


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Committee of the Legislative Council appointed for the purpose of having the
Standing Rules and Orders of the Council revised and brought up to date.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer (Acting) : I second the motion.
Honourable Crown Attorney (Acting) : I beg leave to move that this Council
resolve itself into a Committee of the whole -House to consider the'Standing Rules
and Orders.
Honourable Colonial Treasuref (Acting) :I second the motion.
Question put and :agreed to.

In Committee.

Rule 2-Interpretation.
Question- put and. agreed to.
Sule 3-Sittings-of the Council.
-Honourable Member for South Windward: This means an entire change of
the whole procedure. This means that you'will hold meetings at least once a
month.
Honourabl Crown Attorney (Acting) : But it is not obligatory in these three
months.
Honourable W. A. Hadley : Isn't 11 o'clock rather late to start meetings? -
President: I personally feel that the hour fixed is rather late because we
usually get through our normal work in the morning, and if we start at 11 o'clock
we will have to go on in the afternoon.
Honourable Member for Kingstown : I think 10 o'clock would be- a better
hour.
President: There is a. proposal that in Rule 3 10 o'clock Be substituted for
"11 o'clock". Do the members generally agree to that? _
Agreed.
President: Mr. Bonadie the previous section reads:
"The Legislative Council shall meet for the despatch of business at such
times and at such place as shall be fixed by the Governor.
Provided that the Couhcil shall be convened once at least in every period
of three calendar months."
It is changed now to a monthly session.
'Honourable' Member for. South Windward.: You would not have .such a
crowded agenda at any time.
President: I wonder why "with the exception of July, August, and
September?-
Honourable Crown Attorney (ActingJ : That is the position in.Grenada.
Honourable Member for South Windward: July, August, and September are
the hottest months in the year.
President : There would be 9 sittings in a year.
Honourable Member for JSouth Windward : Or more if necessary.
Honourable Crown Attorney (Actirig) : This system is subject to the right of
the Government to summon a meeting of the Council at any time.








Hpnourable Member for South Windward : I think we should have a meeting
once a month. The future legislature will demand that -we have meetings more
often, because we are improving our legislature, and it is, likely, we will have
improved business. You wouldn't have a motion on this?
President : I think there is always business.
Honourable Member for Kingstown : In order to prevent the business
accumulating it is necessary to have the meetings often. It is not like the old
days. We have more work now.
Honourable Crown Attorney (Acting). : It may need more staff- to get the
necessary printing ddne.
Honourable Member for South Windward.: Is Thursday the,._oW t suitable
day?
President: It would not conflict with Finance Committee or Executive
Council.
Question that Rule 3,as amended-by the substitution of 10 o'clock" for'" 11
S o'clock" stand part of the Rules put and agreed-to.
Rule. 4-Notice of Special Meetings. .
Question put and agreed to.
Rule 5-Orders of the Day.
Question put and agreed to.
Rull6-Opening of Proceedings and Quorum.
Honourable Member for Kingstown: I wonder whether prayers should be
read .
Honourable: Crown Attorney (Acting) :I do-not think it will do any harm.
Honourable Member for Kingstown : .Will' it do any good?
Question. put and agreed to.
Rule 7-.4Al.snc z of Quorum.
SHonourable Member for Kingstown.: What is the quorum?
'Piesident : Three members at present.
Question put and, agreed to.
Rule 8-Amendment-of Minutes.
Question put and agreed to.
Rule 9-Protests.
Honourable Member for South Windward: I nioye that you substitute seven
S days for two.
SHonourable Member for Grenadines : I nmove-that yon substitute 3 days.
Question put to the vote; the voting being equal the President gave a casting
vote in favour of 3 days.
Question that Rule 9 as amended stand part of the Rules'put and agreed to.
Rule 10-Duties of the Cleri.
Honourable Member for North Windward: I suggest that the word "by" be
put in in the third line of .(5) after the words Council and ".
SHonourable Member for South Windward ; Why two "by's? "









Honorable Member for North Windward: To distinguish between the
Council and other persons; by inserting the by you draw a line.
Honourable W. A. Hadley : I see the point; the other persons are not
Members of Council.
Honourable Member for South Windward : There is no harm in doing it, but -
I think it is superfluous.
Honourable Crown Attorney (Acting) : This is from the Secretary of State's
model.
Honourable Member for South Windward: I do not think it is right. I vote
'against it.;.'
Amendment put to-the vote and lost by a majority of four to two.
Question that Rule 10 stand part ci the Rules put and agreed to.
Rule 11- Order of Business.
1HoncurabTe Member for Sou;h Windward : These papers include papers to
bc laid?'
i:rcsident.:' Papers to be laid.
iont uinobie Member for So i: V. indward' 'You arc not givmn any -notices
of questions or do you deal with all under one head? Will you dispense with the
habit of giving notices of questions?
Honourable Member for North W'indward : See page 5, Rule 17. \-
Question put and agreed to.
Rule 12-Petitions. \
Question put and agreed to.
Rule 13-Papers.
President : 13 seems to be redundant.
.Honourable Crown Attorney (Acting) : No, 13(4) is new; it is from ,the
Grenada Standing .Rules and Orders.
Rule 14-Questions. .
Honourable Member for South Windward: Are you going to dispense with
the idea of giving riotices of questions? It does not allow for' it in the Order
'Paper. You have notices of motions and you have motions.
Honourable Member for Kingstown : -You must give notices?
Honourable Crown Attorney (Acting) : You are not bound to. You may not
. get an answer. You are not bound to be given an answer right away. You may
have to get permission from the Chair to ask certain questions.
Question put and agreed to.
Rule 15-Manner of asking Questions.
Honourable Member for South Windward : I believe, sir, that included in the
Order of the Day to make it quite clear, there should be some place where
members give notice of questions. Notices of questions given orally wouldd be_
included with notices of motions given orally.
President : That after (4) we include notices-of questions given orally?
Honourable Member for South Windward : I believe so, sir, Make that No. 5.
It-would in my opinion-improve that.









Honourable. Member for Kingstown: Rule 11, subsection- (8)' would answer
the whole thing.-
'Honourable Crown- Attorney (Acting) : Motions and questions are practically
the same thing.
Honourable Member for South Windward : You will have no opportunity of
giving notices of question's-except you ask your question,, and the President will
have to tell you that question,cannot be answered now, and you put it off. If that
is satisfactory to/members I do not mind it. I am talking about the order of
business. Where are you going to give notices of questions, under No. 87 -
President:- Wduld the normal.procedure not be to hand into the clerk in
writing the questions you wish tq ask, and not do it orally in Council as at the
present time? You cduld put those -questions that you want answered at once.
Honourable Crown,,Attorney (Acting) : I am not in favour of- questions
being asked in Council as at present, because you hear somebody read out and you
only-catch half of it. -It would be quite-out of order.
Honourable Member for South Windward:: I am only trying to avoid possible
confusion that might "arise. Some members will come with questions without
notice and there will-.bj a-certain afnount of confusion.
Honourable Crown Attorney (Acting) : They will not get an answer.
Honourable Member for Grenadines ; Those that,cannot be answered right
away will not-be answered.- -
Question- that Rule 15 stand part of the Rules-put and agreed to.
Rile 16--Public Business.
S-Question put and agreed to. -


Rule 17-Manner of giving Notices.
Question put ahd agreed to.,
Rule l8---Notice.of Motions.,-
Question putand agreed to., -


-Rule 19-Dispensing with Notice.
Question putand agreed.to.
Ru.le-20--Rules of Debate:
Honourable Member for South Windward: Do. these Rules apply to the
Council in Committee also?'
Honourable Crown'Attorney (Acting) : Yes.- *
Honourable Memnber for South Windward: Of course, members are always
given greater latitude in Committee. -
Honourable Crown Attorney (Acting) : You talk without rising anid you do -
-: not need to second a amendment. You take parallel action- ii'Coinmittee'iand-
report to the Hdose and go over the action-again .
Q,uestion that Rule 20 stAnd part of the Rules put and agreed: to.. -
Rule 21-Relevancy in Debate. -
Questionp ut-and- agreed top.
: Rule, 22-Previous Question.
S Honourable Crown Attorney (Acting) : Wheniiit i felt that enough- irgust enft
has gone on then you close. the debate.


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Honourable Member for -South Windward : What is this previous question?
Honourable Crown Attorney (Acting) : It is an old parliamentary term. The
previous question means some debate before 'the House. The President can
terminate it and go on with the agenda.
-Question thatRule 22 stand part of the Rules put and agreed to.
Rule 23-Anticipation.
Question put and agreed to.
Rule 24--Termination of Debate.
Question 1ut and agreed to.
Rule 25-Personal Explanation.
SQuestion put and agreed to.
Rule 26-President to be heard in silence.
Question put and agreed to.
Rule 27-Responsibility for Order.
Honourable Crown Attorney (Acting) : There is a slight amendment to that,
Ssir, the insertion'of the word on between the words except and a in the
last line.
President : With that amendment nmay Rule 27 stand part of the Rules?
Agreed.
Rule 28-Breaches of Order.
Question put and agreed to.
Rule 29-Voting.
Honourable Crown Attorney (Acting) : That exception is a financial one.
That is more or less straight from the 1936 'Order.
Subsection 2 : ..Noimally we put down so many members and their names.
President: Is that generally agreed that names be not recorded except in a
division?
Honourable Member for South Windward : Yes, I agree with that.
1onourable Member for Kingstown : Suppose that is challenged at any time,
what record woula we have?
Honourable Crown Attorney (Acting) :- It would save us a lot of time. You
could ask for. a division.
Question put and agreed to.-
Rule 3.0-Notices regarding Bills:
Question put and agreed to.
Rule 31-Introduction and First Reading.
Questionrfput and agreed to.
Rule 32-Appointment of days for stages of Bills.
Question put-and agreed to.
Rule 33-Printing and circulation of Bills.
Questidonput and agreed to. .
Rule 34-Second Reading of Bills.
Rule'35--Committal of Bills.
Question put and agreed to.
Rule 36-Scope of Amendments in Committee.
Question put and agreed to.
RoRule 37-Procedure in Committee on Bills.







Honourable Member for South Windward : In this connection I see here in
Rule 37 that the Chairman in Committee shall call the number of each clause and
if no amendment be offered thereto, or when all proposed amendments shall have
been disposed of, shall proceed to the Question "That the Clause (or Clause as
amended) stand part of the Bill.". Does that mean that in Committee you cannot
go back and correct any clause that has been passed already?
Honourable Crown Attorney (Acting) : That is the procedure.
Honourable Member for Soutih Windward : That is the ordinary procedure,
but does it mean that you cannot revert back?
Honourable Crown Attorney (Acting) : You can postpone a clause, but you
cannot go back if a clause is disagreed to afterwards.
Honourable Member for South Windward : With the permission of the House
it will appear that anything of the kind could be done if sufficient reasons are
given therefore. Look at Rule 38. The Bill can be reconmmitted at any stage; even
in the third reading of the Bill, I believe alterations can take place. I have been
.answered, sir.
Question that Rule.37 stand part of the Rules put and agreed to.
Rule 38-Re-committal and Third Reading.
Question put and agreed to.
Rule 39-Governor's Amendments.
Question put and agreed to.
.Rule 40-Withdrawal of Bills.
SQuestion put and agreed to.
Rule 41-Bills of the same subject matter.
Question put and agreed to.
Rule 42-Relevancy of Amendments.
Question put and agreed to..
Rule 43-econding of Motions and Amendments.
Question put and agreed to. /
Rule 44-Method of putting the Question on Amendments.
Question put and agreed to.
Rule 45-Withdrhwal of Motions on Amendments.
Question put and agreed to.
Rule 46-Select Committees.
Question put and agreed to.
Rule 47-Reports from Select Committees. -
Question put and agreed to.
Rule 48-Publication of Evidence.
Question put and agreed to.
Rule 49-Practice of Parliament.
Question put and agreed to.
Rule 50-Financial Procedure.
Question put and agreed to.
Rule 51-Suspension of Standing Rules.,
Question put and agreed to.
Rule 52-Absence of Members.
Question put and agreed to. /
S Rule 53-Employment. of Members in Professional Capacity.
Question put and agreed to;
Rule 54-Strangers.








Honorable Member for South Windward : Who are "strangers?"
\ President: If Council gets to a stage of the debate which is of a confidential
nature, the President, or' in Committee the Chairman, shall put forthwith the
question That strangers be ordered to withdraw."
Honourable Member for South Windward: It is the idea of going into. a
private session of Council.
Question that Rule 54 stand part of theRules'put and agreed.to.
Rule 55-Press.
Question put and agreed to.
Rule 56-Standing Committee on Finance.
President : Under Rule 56(1) the Crown Attorney is not a Member of Finance
Committee.
"There shall be a Standing Committee on Finance of which the Administrator
and Treasurer shall be ex-officio' Members," although they have no vote.
Honourable Crown Attorney (Acting) : It is embarrassing for the Crown
Attorney to be asked a question and having to give an 'ad hoc' opinion in the
matter. The Crown Attorney should riot be allowed to attend Finance. Committee.'
So I think the main reason why the Crown Attorney is now asked to attend
Finance Conhmittee is not valid. It is a waste of time as far as I am concerned.
Question put and agreed to.
Rule 57-Adjournment.
Honourable Member for Kingstown : Does this provide-for adjournment at
any stage of the meeting?
President : At any time provided the majority of members agree.
Question put and agreed.to.
Rule 58-Debate on Motion for Adjournment.
Question- put and agreed to.
Honourable Crown Attorney (Acting) : I have in mind to put a revocation of
the first Standing Rules and Orders. I did not think it was necessary, but the St,
Vincent Imperial Order in Council, Section 44, states as follows :-
"Subject tq the provisions of this Order Council may from time to time make
Standing Rules and Orders for the regulation of its own ~roceedings, but no such
Rules or Orders shall have effect until they shall have been approved by the
Governor
And until such Rules and Orders shall be made, and-subject to any Rules and
Orders to be so made, the Standing Rules and Orders at present ih force shall
......:...................... rem ain in force and apply."
It seems that these automatically go; but I suggest that we insert a revocation
clause.
"-59.. REVOCATION. The Standing Rules and Orders of the Legislative
Council of St. Vincent at present in force are hereby revoked."
President : Is that agreeable?
Honourable Member for South Windward : It can't do any harm. I do not-
see any use for it personally, but it is harmless.
Question that Rule 59 as suggested by the Honourable Crown Attorney (Acfirg)
stand part of the Rules put and agreed to. .-






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Rule 1-Shiort Title.
Question put and agreed to. .
Honourable Crown Attorney (Acting) :I beg to move that the Committee
rise, Council resume, and the presiding Member report to the Council.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer (Acting) : I second the motion.
President : I beg to report that the -Standing Rules and-Orders of the
Legislative Council passed through the -Committee stage with certain amendments.
Honourable -Crown Attorney (Acting) : I beg to move that the President's
-ieport be adopted..
S Honourable Colonial Treasurer (Acting) : I second the motion.
Question put and agreed.
President : I now call. upon the Honourable -Member for Kingstown to move
the motions standing in his name.
Honourable Member for Kingstown : Your Honour and Honiourable Members
of Council, I ask leave to move the following motion standing in my name :
In view of--the fact that the system of delivery of letters at district post
r offices is such as to cause wrong deliveries to be made and
"In view of the fact that wrong deliveries are made and no blame can be
attached to the postmasters or postmistresses in. -charge and also that
despite this fact Miss Harry who-was in charge of the.Post Office at Troumaca
has been dismissed as a result of a wrong delivery made
Be it Resolved that this Council give consideration to the matter with a
view of dispensing justice to the individual who has been wronged and also to
make recommendations -concerning the system so as to prevent further
injustice from being, done."
I made this motion as a result of certain happenings mentioned. Some
people believe that in St. Vincent things can be done in a slip-shod manner.and
acted on anyhow so long as it pleases the individual. I would like to quote Lord
Atkins in the case of the Trinidad Government vs Ainb-rd; Editor of the Trinidad
Guardian He said- that "justice is not a cloistered virtue;- every individual
however poof is entitled to have-it dispensed in the proper manner." Government
S cannot consider it is in their power to be in the wrong and pass on injustice to the
people. '
The case in point I-would.like to put is the case of a young lady who was appointed
S as Postmistfess of To.umaca. The system under which she-works is a terribly bad
S system. A number of persons go to the Post Office for letters, the Postmistress
calls ouf the names on the letters she has, the Postmistress is supposed to deliver
the letters to those people Who answer, to a name when called. In accordance
with that, a letter was delivered by Miss Harry arotud Christmas Eve of last year.'
I would like to read for you first of all the report of the P'ostmistress herself :
My name is Carmen Harry, I am 23 years of age. I am the' District.
Postmistress. I have occupied this post for-the last 21/2 years. On -Boxing Day,
26th Dec.1949, I went to the back of the Post Office and discovered lying of the
gronrid a letter addressed to Robertha Lewis. I .drew my mother's attention to it.
My fiother sent to call her but she never came.until the folov'. ii',g day. When she
Same she was taken on the spot by pmy mother, bit- I did not accompany them.-
S sometime after I received a letter from the Colonial Postmaster .asking me to give
, .some explanation as regards the letter that was'found at the back of the Post








Office addressed to Robertha Lewis. I myself called out the name on that letter
around the Xmas season but I cannot say definitely the date. At times I am
assisted by my two sisters Joy Harry or Beulah Harry whenever there is a big mail.
I cannot say who took the letter as it is a custom.to deliver letters to anyone who
may answer to the names called. On the night of the 28th December my father,
Theophilus Harry, told me that he was informed by Hubert Providence of
Troumaca that the letter in question was thrown behind the house by a little girl
named.Vida Providence. My father took immediate action and went to the child's
mother.
In reply to the Colonial Postmaster's first letter I informed him of the custom that
prevails re issuing of letters and that I did not consider myself responsible. I
received another letter from the Colonial Postmaster stating that he was
dissatisfied with the reply given and-suggested that I should see Robertha Lewis
and settle the matter with her. I replied that I did not. consider that I should be
blamed for issuing, letters in the manner I did- because it was not a registered
letter for which I know I should receive an authority. I contend that the letter
in question was not delivered to Vida Providence for Robertha Lewis but was taken
by the little girl in error. After the child's mother had informed Robertha Lewis
that the letter was taken from the Post Office and thrown behind the Post Office
by the child I considered that Robertha Lewis should hold the child responsible
and not the Postmistress. -I therefore did not go to see Robertha Lewis as
suggested by the Colonial Postmaster. I may mention that during my service as
D.P.M. no unfavourable reports were ever filed against me for any breach of Post
- Office regulations. I consider my dismissal unsympathetic.
(Sgd). Carmen Harry.
D.P.M.

The little child seemed to have corroborated the statements:
My name is Vida Providence. I am 8 years-of age and go to the Troumaca
Govt. School. On Xmas Eve I was sent by my mother, Beryl Anthony, to the'Post
--Office to look for mails. It was about 5.30 p.m. I am not certain who called out
the mails as .the crowd was large. -The voice did not sound like the Postmistress's
voice. I heard the person call out the name Robertha but did not quite hear the
other name. -My grandmother's name is Robertha Denbar and so I answered and
someone took the letter and handed it to me. I did not see the person who handed
it to rme as it was fairly dark. Emily Providence afterwards told me that the
letter-belonged to Robertha Lewis. I then threw the letter into the Postmistress's
yard immediately. I was afraid to take it to Robertha Lewis as it was dark and I
am living far from her. I never opened the letter. No one saw me when I threw
it there. I said nothing about it to anyone.

(Sgd). Vida Providence.
I,think that admission is sufficient to exonerate the Postmistress who was
blamed for acting on a system which Government instituted, and I do not consider
that the Postmaster acted justly in asking this young lady to implicate herself.
I think the lady';, responsibility ceased when she delivered the letter; and
therefore when the Postmaster asked her to go and deliver this letter I think.she
would have been implicating herself if she went. -However, Government was not
satisfied and a Committee of Enquiry was appointed; and here is the report of
that Committee :-







Your Honour,
In accordance with your instructions re an enquiry into the matter at Troumaca,
we beg to report that we arrived at Troumaca on Wednesday afternoon, 15th
instant and conducted the enquiry on Thursday, 16th instant. Statement were
taken from the several parties concerned which are submitted herewith, the facts -
.re as follows :-
(a) The Postmistress- admitted receiving the' letter addressed to Robertha
-Lewis and delivering it herself although she is not certain of the- date of delivery
and the person to whom it was delivered.
(b) Vida Providence, a little girl 8 years old, admitted receiving the letter on -
Xmas Eve. She said that her grandmother's name is Robertha Dember and as she
S heard the name Robertha called out she took it for granted that the letter was her
grandmother's and received it. A few minutes later she was told by Emily..
,Providence, a 12 year old pupil of the_Girls' High School, that the letter belonged
to Robertha Lewis and that she must take it to her. -Instead of doing so she threw
it behind the Post Office.
(c) On the 26th December, 1949, the Postmistress saw the letter behind the
Post Office-and drew her mother's attention to it. Her mother left the letter on
the spot and sent for Robertha Lewis.
(d) Rollertha Lewis stated that she did not receive the message until the 27th
December on which (date she went to the Post Office and Mrs. Harry, the mother of
'the Postmistress, took her-to the spot where the letter was lying. Robertha Lewis-
queried the matter with Mrs. Harry and her reply was that the Post Office was not
responsible.
(e) the letter was an ordinary letter in which a Postcard was also enclosed. -It was
found with the stamp off-and the flap opened due apparently to the dampness of
the weather.
(f) the letter was taken to the Chateaubelair Police Station by Robertha
Lewis. Leonard Providence, the Head Teacher of the Chateaubelair Methodist
'. School, a son-in-law of Mrs. Harry and a cousin her at the station with a view to settle the matter between them. The next day
Leonard Providence returned the letter to Robertha Lewis by a bearer stating that
,as far as he can see the Post Office was not responsible and that Mrs. Lewis can
refer the Inatter to the Colonial Postmaster. Mrs. Lewis then reported tie matter
to the Colonial Postmaster. A letter was subsequently sent to the Postmistress
suggesting that she should endeavour to settle the matter with Robertha Lewis as
in his opinion the Post Office was responsible. The Postmistress declined to do so
as she did not think that she was in anyway responsible. The Postmaster later
informed the D.P.M. that he was directed by His Honour the Administrator to
inform her that her services as D.P.M.-would be terminated at the end of the
current month and that everything must be handed over then to the Village.
Schoolmaster.
-2. We are of the opinion that the letter was delivered in good faith because
it has been the custom to deliver ordinary letters to anyone who answers for them.
We have been informed by the Postmistress that this was the custom When she
took over from her sister 21/2 years ago. During that period she has had a clean
record as no official report has ever been filed against her with the exception of
the recent complaint.. It was quite possible for the error to have been made when
the letters were distributed as at that time of the year it is usually dark in the
late afternoons.







3. We however'feel that the Postmistress, is responsible for the safe delivery
of all letters. She should have acted on the suggestion made by the C.P.M. and
should have attempted to settle the matter with Robertha Lewis. Instead, she
left up everything to her parents and showed little or no interest in the whole
affair.
4. We further feel that the duties of a District Postmaster or Postmistress
should be carried out by a responsible officer and that the D.P.M., Troumaca,
herself does not appear to be able to. shoulder that responsibility for which her
duties call.

We have the honour to be,
Sir,
Your obedient servants,

(Sgd). McD. Smith.
Ag. Assistant Treasurer.

(Sgd). C. G'. Huggins.
Ag. Social Welfare Officer.

Now, in fairness to this lady, I think this report is a very contradictory one.
They say that the system is bad; it is quite liable to the making of mistakes. It
was done in the ordinary manner in which it, always has been done. This person,
has a clean record with nothing against her and nothing has been done which is
contrary to the procedure. One cannTot be placed in a position where he is likely
to make mistakes and then be blamed for the mistakes he makes. If the-system
allows persons to come and claim the letters on hearing the names called, how can
the Postmistress be blamed for delivering to the person who comes to claim them?
I think it is the Government's duty to amend the system.
The Postmaster later informed the D.P.M. that he was directed by His Honour
the Admilristrator to inform her that her services as D.P.M. would be terminated
at the end of the current month.
I do not see how we can expect people to give the proper service they ought to
when they are to receive at the hands -of. Government such treatment as we
cannot term anything btt dishonest. I have been placed in position and told to
do the work a certain way; I have done it in the way I was told to do it; and yet I
am- dismissed for it. .I think this is a matter the Council should look into very
seriously. We are nqt in very peaceful times. People on all hands are saying
that Government is not doing the right thing they should do to the people. This
seems to justify the claims that Government is unjust and being dishonest. Hence
my reason for bringing this up and askilig the Members of Couhcil to consider this
matter and make recommendations first as to whether this young lady should
rightfully have been blamed for doing something she did in'perfectly good faith
according as she had been instructed, in the way everybody'else in her position
would do-it; whether she should be penalized, dismissed, put out of bread, because
she did what could be done in no dther way possible. And' not only to remedy this,
but I a-m asking Council to lay down a better system whereby in future such
injustice will not be likely to occur.
Gentlemen, it is in your hands to dispense justice to the people that you have
come here to serve. We-have to abide by the principle: There is too much of this,
what we will call favouritism, going on-; and things are being done just as it would








seem to please certain Heads of Departments. Heads" of Departments are
expected to be honest and just; and as I regard this as an unjust action I leave it
to you, gentlemen, to dispense justice in this matter.
--President : Before we proceed, I should like to point out that this motion is
divided into two parts : The question of the individual; and-the question of a
system. I would like to point out that as far as the individual is concerned the
case was looked into by myself and then by the report you have before you. It was
decided that she should be dismissed. Under Colonial Regulations she has
recourse to the Governor and the Secretary of State, and I do feel that as far as
Council is concerned if the system is wrong it should,be -debated what should be
done; but as far as the individual- is concerned, the course is open to her under
existing regulations.
Honourable Member for Leeward : Your Honour and Honourable Members I
rise to second the motion. I have listened very carefully to the motion moved by
the Honourable Member for Kingstown and I feel that it should receive the
support of Honourable Members. When I first learned 'about Miss Harry's
dismissal and the reason for her dismissal, I felt that it was very unsympathetic.
It is the custom to deliver letters to persons who call. This has been going on
for years and no Postmaster or Postmistress has ever been dismissed for doing it;
so why should Miss Harry be the scapegoat? There are no paid letter carriers in the
Districts and people have to walk miles to the Post Office. The inhabitants of
Coull's Hill live four miles from Spring Village where there is the nearest Post
Office.
In this case a little girl admitted receivingE-the letter and instead of delivering
it she threw it behind the Post Office. The little girl's mother went to the woman
to whom the letter belonged and apologised to her, in my opinion accepting all
responsibility in the matter. -.emember the letter was not delivered by the
Postmistress to the child for the woman but was taken by the- child in error. I
feel that the woman should hold the child responsible, -and not the Postmistress.
Miss Harry has given 12 years of service and there is not'a single mark against
her and I think it is very unsympathetic on the-part of Government to mete out
such treatment to her. I think it is very unfair and I am asking Honourable
Members to support the motion.
Honourable Member for North Windward : Your Honour, and Honourable
Members of Council, I rise to support the motion in view of paragraph 2 of the
Report of the Committee appointed to investigate the matter which says :-
2. We are of the opinion that the letter was delivered in good faith
because.it has been the custom to deliver ordinary letters to anyone who
answers for them. We have been informed by the Postmistress that this
was the custom when she took over from her sister 2/2 years ago. During
that period she- has had a clean record as no official report has ever been
filed against hi, '- i1 the exception of the recent complaint. It-was quite
possible for the error to have been made when the letters were distributed as
at that time of the year it is usually dark in the late afternoons.
This finding by the Committee I think is in favour of Miss Harry and
recommends in itself that she be treated at least leniently, but we find that she
has been dismissed; she has been administered an extreme penalty; and since His
Honour the Administrator has just pointed out her course of seeking justice lies in
approach to the Governor and Secretary of State, this Council cannot say that
should not be done, but I think that every Member of Council will vote in support








of this resolution because' of paragraph 2 of the report of the Inquiry : Mis.3
Harry has given good service, has had a clean record and on the basis of this
paragraph I hold that the Commission's report does not bring her in for any
charge, does not hold her liable for any harsh treatment. Upon that I think
Honourable Members will vote in support of the resolution.
As regards the other section of the resolution relating to remedyihg existing
arrangements, I do think that steps should be taken to have the mnaiter put right
so that in-future there might not be the unpleasant occurrence which has caused
this matter to be debated here today. Again I-say because of the strength of the
argument in paragraph-2 of the report in favour of Miss Harry..I-support the
resolution.
Honourable- W. A. Hadley: Your Honour, Honourable Members, I
disagree with the Honourable Member for Kingstown. In the first instance
the matter was gone into by a 'Committee very carefully and considered
by Government, and the Postmistress was dismissed. We can do nothing in this
matter as a Council. She can put it up to the Governor and the Secretary of
State.
Regarding the report, I agree entirely with the statements made. A District
Postmistress who has worked for years knows everybody in her district. I have
been to a Post Office where letters are not delivered to anybody. The Postmistress
can say that does not belong to you, leu' the owner come. It is in her discretion to
deliver letters: Supposing a letter is addressed to a certain individual and the
name is called out and another individual comes, it is left entirely in her hands;
she has the responsibility. She can hold the letter until the, owner comes. If a
letter is just delivered to anybody that comes it is carelessness in the Postmistress
or Postmaster. I think the matter was well decided and I must vote against the
Motion.
Honourable Member for South Windward: Your Honour, and Honourable
Members of Council, I find myself in a strange position, but while I am deeply
sympathetic with the lady concerned, I do not see how I can accept a motion
worded like this. I am not accepting any motion where I cannot prove the facts
- that are stated here. I cannot prove that the system causes wrong deliveries to
be made throughout the island. I cannot support that, because I have beeri
sitting down here all these years as a Member of Council and I did not realise that
the system is one that causes wrong deliveries to be made. Honestly, I do not like
the way the motion is worded at all.- It is in my opinion very badly worded to
invite support; and yet, strange enough, I find myself very sympathetic to the
person who is dismissed. I am going to express my views and I feel that the
motion should be worded such as to express the sympathy of the Council on
behalf of the person concerned and I consider the spirit of the Report that has
been made about the person has been very sympathetic in itself; and I ask for the
clemency of Government in her behalf, but I cannot join in condemning a service
that in my opinion is in vogue throughout the island, the West Indies, and
practically throughout the entire world where you have deliveries of letters made
in the country districts. Those are my views. I cannot support the motion as it
is because I do not like it. I am very sympathetic with the person concerned. I
feel mistakes are liable to be made and it is a pity that she did not have the sound
sense to realise that as a member of the Service she has to accept certain
responsibilities for things that go wrong when she was directly cQncerned, and she
should ask an apology on behalf of the Service itself, as I would have done if I
were in her position. I feel that the clerk was a little harshly dealt with .on








-account of her stubbornness. I cannot support the motion but I am sympathetic
to the lady and I hope that she will win her case if she puts it up to the Secretary
of4State.

Honourable Member for Kingstown: I rise to express my surprise, having
heard His Honour-the Administrator deliver himself. I was shocked; I really
cannot understand that His Honour would say that he realizes that something is
bad, but the person must go to the Secretary of State; he does not care; he has
done it already. I think that is a very regrettable attitude to take.
With regard to the Honourable the Nominated Member, I am not surprised
about him at all. There has never been any agreement with anything I put up
and it is just a part of his manner. He says the Postmistress is supposed to know
everybody and that she is supposed to tell the people whether they are connected
with the person or not, anybody who sends a messenger from anywhere; she
must know the whole world to know whether this person is connected with the
person or not- This is rubbish. I never heard such rubbish in my life. How
could she know if a new bearer has been taken by this person and sent to receive
her letters? The report says it was dark. There is no electric light in Troumaca.
Everybody goes clamouring; the people want theix letters right away; yet this
little girl must be a wizard to look into the minds of people to say you are not
connected with such and such a person. You ought to think'before you speak, sir.
Now, the Honourable Member for South Windward wants to show the people
who are present that he is in sympathy, but there is his usual attitude of not
supporting anything put up by me. (I will ask you please to stop further
interruption.) He says she is a member of the Service. What Service? She is a
part-time officer who is just doing a favour to Government for a pittance. She is
there at the whims and fancies of the OfficerfAdministering the Government, and
has given good service. This is admitted by the report. I want-to say this too
With regard to what the Honourable Nominated Member said : she was charged
for not delivering a registered letter shortly after that; because she was doing her
duty and nearly came in for trouble for not delivering this registered letter to an
ordinary person without an order. Perhaps you do not know about it, and you
should not express an opinion on something you do not know about. The
Honourable Member for South Windward said it is a system practised all over the
West Indies and it isa system that cannot cause wrong deliveries to be made.
Honourable Member for South Windward : Your Honour, I would like to
correct the Honourable Member. I never said it cannot cause wrong deliveries to
be made;-I merely said I cannot accept the motion for it says the system causes
wrong deliveries -to be made. If the Honourable Member had studied logic he
would not say that the system causes wrong deliveries to be made, which is wrong.
The system behind it is such that wrong deliveries can be made.

Honourable Member for Kingstown : I do not quite understand him; his
logic is too high for me.
The system is this : that a lot of people come in the Post Office and names
are called out and there is a big clamour. Such a system causes wrong deliveries
to be made. I do' not care what logic he can bring. I definitely .claim that is a
,.-system that causes wrong deliveries to be made. No civilized place has such .a
system. I think it is only in the back woods of St. Vincent that such a system is
carried out. Name any other place.








Your Honour said her only recourse is to the Governor and the Secretary of
State. I thought you would have risen to the occasion and said I did come to a
wrong conclusion inasmuch as I didcnot investigate the matter carefully. But in
the light of the report that is here before you, we are of opinion that the letter was
delivered in good faith because it has been'the custom to deliver letters to anyone
who answers for them. -Because she did what she was instructed-to do and what
was 'done when she took over from her sister why should she be dismissed? Is
that a case for dismissal? I am surprised and grieved that an officer
administering the Government should not respond to higher justice and in the
event of something wrong being done should go into it without saying, Go over
my head to the Secretary of State."
With regard to the system, two Members think the system perfect; but I
appeal to all sane Members to see that the system is improved. You should cease
to carry on such a system and carry-on some greater sense of justice for our down-
trodden people of St. Vincent.
President: I rise at least on a point of explanation. When I made this
remark, Honourable Member for Kingstown, I made it to try and point out that in
so far as the Administration of the 'Colony-is concerned, it is left with the
Administration, -and there are certain rules and regulations which apply to
everyone from the top to the bottom. Where I think we have misunderstood each
other is that my decision on the recommendation of the Colonial Postmaster had
nothing to do with the system of the distribution of letters or the fact that this
letter on this particular occasion had gone astray. There is in front of me at the
moment a minute from the C.P.M. which says :-
"2. I wrote to the District Postmistress asking for a report. She sent a
\ report on the 13th January which I thought was unsatisfactory. I therefore"
wrote her on the 16th Jaifuary telling her to go and see Robertha Lewis and
see if they could come to some amicable settlement. She wrote me on the.
17th.January saying that she could not acquiesce to my suggestion.
"3. I have another complaint from Mr. Clairmonte Anthony who sent
an order to this Postmistress requesting her to deliver a registered letter
addressed to him to Leolin Prince, she refused to deliver this registered
letter on the grounds that she was not satisfied with the scrap of paper on
which the order was written.
"4. I think that this Postmistress-is unsuited for Postal duties in 'an out
district and I recommend that she be given one month's notice prior to the
termination of her services."
Her Head of Department asked her quite politely to try and come to some
agreement with a member of the public in order to see if this matter could be
amicably settled then, and if it had been amicably settled then, we would not have
been debating this resolution in Council. She refused. In paragraph 4 of the
Report it says:
"We further feel that the duties of a District Postmaster or Postmistress
should be carried out by a responsible officer and that the D.P.M., Troumaca,
herself does not appear to be able to shoulder that responsibility for which
her duties call."
My reason for agreeing to the dismissal of this woman was that it was
apparent to me that she was not a responsible officer; it had nothing to do' with
the system, but the fact that she was not a responsible officer.







Honourable Members, you are on the threshold of Federation. You are about
to debate about Federation. -When Federation comes people like myself will have
gone. In Federation you will have to devolve your system of Government and
decentralize on people who, in my view, if Federation is going to work, must be
responsible people. As long as I am Administrator of St. Vincent I will do my best
to see that those people who.hold posts are responsible people and if I feel that
they are not responsible, then other people who are responsible shall take their
places. If that policy is not agreed, then I will have to go. If the policy is agreed,
it will in my opinion be a basis of Federation that will be worth while.

Honourable Member for'Kingstown : The report says in the previous column
that this lady has a clean record. There is-nothing against her; so I cannot see
why she is not responsible.
The Motion was put to the vote and carried by a majority, the voting being as
follows :-
.-Three Membersin favour; two Members against; one Unofficial Member
and the Official Members abstained from voting.
President : I now call upon the Honourable Member for Kingstowni to move
the second motion standing in his name.
Honourable Member for Kingstown : Your Honour and Honourable Members,
I ask leave to move the following motion'standing in my name :-
In view of the fact that when there is a scarcity of fish in Kingstown,
the poorer classes of persons who stand in line are just able to see all the
fish being disposed of behind the counter :
BE IT RESOLVED that Government through the Controller of Supplies take
steps to remedy this undesirable condition."
It is a known fact now, sir, that all the fish, that is brought in is sold in the
black-market. There is not any possibility of going there in a queue and taking
your turn and getting fish. It is done in the face of the officers of the Kingstown
Board, and.it is done all open. The whole system has been upset. The poorer
people who go there stand in that line, stand- there awaiting a chance to -buy a
little bit of fish for their meal and the fish is taken and handed out to other
persons who do not conform to the requirements of the law, while-those who try to
conform to the law are left out. From what I gather up to yesterday the
condition is going from bad to worse. Some years ago I took an -Administrator
down and he stood up and looked at what was taking place and asked whether this
was a civilized place. He could not understand how people did not get killed and
it was he who suggested that something should be done; and the then Chairman
of the-Kingstown Board induced the Board to form the queue for a proper line rp,
and arrangements were made and it worked fairly well for a time; but failed
because certain officers of the Board wanted to get fish, and those that are put to
control break the regulations themselves. It can only be carried out by persons
who are prepared to sacrifice. Though it was not my duty to go there I had to go
and see it carried out; and I.had been without fish for months because I would not
consent to obtain fish in the way it had been done. Nevertheless, we got it
working. Mr. Bute had to come many mornings and wake me from my sleep to
help-him control the situation; the system worked and worked properly then; but
to-day, it is shocking and calls for some means of remedying it. And in view of the
fact that the Kingstown Board has taken no action to right it, I am asking that
Government instruct the Controller.of Supplies not only to see that fish is handed








out in turn and prevent the illicit handling of people who refuse to-obey the law,
but that when there is a scarcity of fish one or two-people cannot go there and buy
up all the fish. This is the duty of the Control Department. That the Kingstown
Board does not feel is their duty-; they have expressed that. And I am asking that
Government see that the Control Department do more of their duty. I am not
blaming the Kingstown Board so much because they have time and again insisted
that their officers carry out their duty. They had to make some change because
they claim that some of their officers are not capable. I am also saying that the
Control Department is not doing what it should.
Honourable Member for Leeward : Your Honour and Honourable Members I
beg to second the motion. Thepeople, not only of Kingstown, but also the other
parts of the island have been complaining for a very long time about the handling
of fish at the Kingstown Market, and we should not allow such conditions to exist
indefinitely. I know that the members of the Board are taking a very keen
interest in everything which concerns the welfare of the people; but something
seems to be wrong with the system. The disposal of fish is far from satisfactory
and-I suggest that- a special meeting of the Board be called to deal with this
important matter. Something should be done to remedy this undesirable state of
affairs.
Honourable Member for South Windward: Your Honour I would like'to say
something about this. I happerr to be at present Chairman of the Kingstown
Board, and I do not mind telling you and telling this Council that I have been the
inheritor of the conditions of poverty complained about. They haire been just
handed down to me. I feel I must resent the statements just made, at least at the
present moment; the same officers of the Board just mentioned were under the
regime of the mover of the motion and were his boon companions,. They helped
him to run the Board for years. I am surprised that the same gentleman should
come here and attack so dastardly the men on the Board who were faithful to him.
'He now says they were unable to do the work. I am surprised, but I can tell you it
was not so. I.can tell you what steps the Board has taken to remedy this position
that was handed down to us. If you notice, in the Press you will see a notice
calling for applications for a job as Market Clerk: The present Market Clerk who
was appointed by the mover of this resolution proved incapable. The new Market
Clerk to be appointed now will have to have certain qualifications; they will, have
to be efficient. -That is the step that we are going to take to remedy the-present
position in the market. You have seen the notice in the Gazette and.the notice in
/the local Press about it. I have to vote against this motion, and I will givethe
assurance that during its present life the Board intends to take steps to see that
-Kingstown is'properly.and intelligently run. Personally, I think that conditions
there at present, far from being on the down grade, are on the improve. I do not
think this Council will need any further evidence of the fact that the present
Board as constituted means well and means to improve conditions. They have
removed two,of the men controlling the market now, and have decided to get men
with better qualifications. I can offer no other argument to show .you the earnest
and the good faith of the present-Board.
Hofiourable W. A. Hadley : Your Honour, Honourable Members, if
the people had applied to the Kingstown Board the matter could have
been remedied. I do not see the need for this resolution. When the mover was
Chairman of the Board it was done very well; now he is not Chairman of the
Board it is not done properly.' The Kingstown Board aie going to remove the men
who are not doing their jobs, they are working for improveinent. I do not think
this motion is necessary,







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Honourable Member for North Windward: Your Honour and Honourable
Members of Council, I think Government has a duty to be interested, and I think
.this motion is quite in order because it is calling Government's attention to an
irregularity which affects everybody and so I am supporting the motion. It does
notneed many words from me because I think that all of us here have experienced'
difficulties because of the condition obtaining in the fish market, and I think that
it is incumbent on Government to take the matter in hand and see whether the
present unsatisfactory condition can beremedied. For that reason I support the
resolution.
Honourable Member for Kingstown : Your Honour and Honourable Members
I first have got to laugh. The Honourable Nominated Member sees no necessity
for the motion, it is no fault of a man born blind who cannot see. He is blind; he
does not see the sun shining. In this case the Honourable Nominated Member
cannot see the need for the motion. He is blind; he does not know what it is all
about. He never will see. He does not intend to see.
But to touch on what the Honourable Member for South Windward has said.
He is the inheritor of poverty. He has inherited poverty. I left at the end of
1949 as Chairman of the Kingstown Board. I did not consider it necessary to
waste any more time, because I considered it a waste of time. When I was leaving
I got congratulations from every member, including the present Chairman who.
said that they never had a better Chairman. ,Mr. S. O. Jack said the Chairman
was good but that he dabbled in things that did not concern him. Two weeks ago
he came and apologized and said he saw how it was I had to dabble in those
things because it was the only way the Board could have been run efficiently. I
worked and did things that were necessary. I left'the Board with the highest
revenue in its 50 years' existence. I also left the reserve fund at 20,000, the
highest reserve fund they have ever had. So I do not know if the Honourable
Member had been thinking of these things,when he spoke, because there is not a
word of truth in what he said. I did not attack the Boarch I said it was the djty
of the officers. The Board had from time to time tried, and here he comes
supporting my contention. He says that the officers are bad. They have
discharged them and want better officers; exactly what I said should be done to
those who cannot do the work.
The conditions I handed down were the best the Board has ever had, and I
can say that the selling of fish was done in a very much better manner than it is
done now. Not that the Kingstown Board is not doing things properly-
President: May I ask .the Honourable Member to speak on the motion, to
stick to the terms of the motion and not speak on the Kingstown Board?
Honourable Member for Kingstown : The motion is about the Kingstown
Board, but if you do not want me to say. anything about the Kingstown Board,
then you can tell me what to say, perhaps you may write what you want me to say
and I will read it for you. If Your Honour does not want me to put my motion as
I think I must put it then I will sit down.
The motion was put to the vote and lost by a majority, the result of the voting
being as follows :-
Three Members in favour.
Four Members against.
One Of al Member abstained.








Honourable Crown. Attorney (Acting) : I beg to move that this Council
adjourn until 2.30 this afternoon. -
"Honourable Colonial Treasurer : I second the motion.
Question put and agreed to.

Council adjourns until 2.30 p.m., 17th July, 1950


COUNCIL RESUMES

at 2.30 p.m.

PRESENT
His Honour, W. F. CoUTTs, M.B.E., Administrator, President,
The Honourable McD. SMITH, Acting Colonial Treasurer, -
W. A. IADLEY, Nominated Member,
S" GA. MCINTOSH, Member for Kingstown,
S E. DUNCAN, Member for North Windward,'.
E. A. JOACHIM, Member for Leeward,
S. G. DIEFREITAS, Member for the Grenadines,
"" S..F. BONADIE, Member for South Windward.

ABSENT
The Honourable O. D. Brisbane, Nominated Member (absent from the Colony),
E. A. C. HUGHES Nominated Member (excused).

President : I now call upon the Honourable Member for Kingstown.to move
the 3rd motion standing in his name.
Honourable Member for Kingstown : Your Honour and Honourable Members
.of Council, you asked me to move the following motion standing in my name :- -
"That this Council accepts the recommendations of the Standing Closer
Association Committee and expresses its willingness to partiicipate Aina a
Federal GOvernment on the terms proposed by that Committee."'
As you are aware, gentlemen, I was the delegate selected to represent St.
Vincent at the various meetings- of the Standing Closer Association Committee.
We held two meetings in Barbados, one in Trinidad, and one in Jamaica. The
matters that comprise this report of the Committee have been thoroughly gone
into. The Constitution in various places were read and discussed .and the
Committee selected what they considered the best in these Constitutions to form
what has been now recommended for the Federation of the British\ Caribbean
Colonies.
To begin, I should like to say what I said in Trinidad :-
"It must not be expected that every unit concerned wilJ obtain everything
desired, but after much effort, lengthy arguments and heated discussiofis what has
been-arrived at is what the conference considers to be the utmost that-can be-.
obtained at this, the initial stage of West Indian nationhood,







I do hope therefore that West Indians.will realise that the West Indies have
been marking time for about 300 years and the time has come, when an opportunity
is given for us to sink our individuality, and the prevailing insularity and march
on together as a united people for the progress and welfare of all."
When that was published in the Trinidad Guardian, the Chairman, Sir
Hubert Rance, who read what I had reported was just sending out liis circular
letters thanking members for their service on the Standing Closer Association--
Committee; and on my circular letter he placed a special postscript:
Since the above was written, I have seen in the Trinidad Guardian"
for the 27th October, a report of an interview with you. Knowing as I do
the strength and sincerity of your feelings on many. points on which you had
to accept' defeat, I can only, congratulate you on a demonstration of
Statesmanship which, more than constitutional details, is what makes and
preserves states and nations."
By. that j u must see gentlemen that we have had toa'ccept defeat on many
points; but I do not agree with many of the people who comment -on this report.
I have to disagree even with the Caribbean Labour Congress, with their policy.
They do not seem to think that it is full enough, but, as I say, we cannot get all
that we-want at one time. This Constitution is modelled closely on the Ceylon
Constitution-I think it is, even above what Ceylon started with ..as a self-
governing state-and in this we are very near Dominion Status; and if we accept
the recommendations we will be able to have a West Indian Nation in the very
near future. At present there is a lot of discussion, a lot of contrary opinion, and
up to -the present I think, if I speak correctly, Grenada has been the only place
that has come right out and accepted the report of the Standing Closer Association
Committee:
You remember when we started there was a suggestion which was very
heartily backed by the then Governor of the Windward Islands that we should
amalgamate before entering into Federation. I think we are proud today to see-
that our recommendation was right. Had we amalgamated, we would have had to
enter as onie Colony. Representation oil that basis would have been two members
for the Senate; for -the House of Representatives, on a population basis pretty
close'to British Guiana perhaps, 5 representatives.. So we would have had two
members in the Senate representing the 8 islands, or more, which comprise the
- Windward and Leeward groups and 5 members in the House of Representatives to
Represent the same number of islands. We have killed that; we have succeeded in
.getting ali the delegates present at that Conference to see that that was not the
proper method, and they were all very strong in supporting individual
representation, for every Colony. Barbados fought hard because I think they
. anted a bigger representation than all the Windwards and Leewards combined.
But, instead of having 5 aid 2 as the case may be, you will see that we will get 2
-for St. Vincent, 2-for Grenada, 2 for St. Lucia, 2 for Dominica, 2 for Antigua, 2 for
St. Kitt., and one. for Montscrrat. That will make a. total of 15 in the House of
Representatives where we would otherwise have got 5. So that there will be no
Colony without direct representation in the Federal Parliament. Montserrat has
only got one representative inasmuch as the population there is just about 15,000.
So they will have the same representation but instead of 2 members, they will
have one. All the Colonies will have the same number, 2, whether b0ig or small.
Each. Colony except Montserrat will have 2 in the Senate. The final result
will be 15 as against 5 under amalgamation fn the House of Representatives







and 15 as against .2 in the Senate. I think that is very satisfactory and
Colonies can feel that when we enter this Federation we enter fully represented
and there can be no doubt about it from the manner in which the Committee
agreed at the Standing Closer Association conference that we .will go there
wholeheartedly supporting each other in these Colonies when a case has been. put
forward for something to mark development and progress.-
Now people are not fully aware of the advantages of Federation and it is for
us, not only me but every Member of Council, to instruct the people as. regards the
advantages'to be gained by coming together in a Federation as recommended by
the Standing Closer Association Committee We-have held meetings under the
auspices of the Workingmen's Association; and wherever we have held those.
meetings we have found very good respofise in favour of St. Vincent's entering the
Federation. In Kingstown, it might be said we did not have the fullest gathering
we might have expected, owing to the inclemency of the weather; but all who were-
thereendorsed 4he recommendations of the Committee, and I do not think there
is any fear because wherever I have spoken, except in some circles where-the
money interest outweighs the interest of the community, most Vincentians are in
favour-of entering the Federation and that as quickly as it is.possible to be done.
As you will see in the report, this is the shortest path toward real political
independence in the British Commonwealth. We could not hope to achieve much
standing as we'do. No individual Colony can put forward any big scheme. The
way to progress is to get together; and, as you will observe, though we come into
Federation we will have full auto~-nmiy, and the Federal Government will not
control the individual Colonies as it is done now from Downing Street. There will
be a measure of self-government in the units, and responsibility with the Federal
legislation.
The financial stability of. these Colonies does not allow us at present to enter
into a Federation in the same manner as Canada, Australia, and other Dominions.
But the hope is that we will be able to come together and- so develop our resources
that we will actually become self-sustaining. We will be able to face the world ard
approach any nation that will be sympathetic. We will be enabled to raise loans
to develop the areas so that we can build up big and substantial industries that
will cater to our needs and the surplus we will have the liberty to ship to other
parts of the world. -Therefore we will see that is another advantage, as the
Report will show you. It cannot be done under the present framework, but,
(quoting from paragraph 19 of the Report)
"Briefly, the services that Federation can render, and which can be
adequately rendered in no other way, can be. summarised as prompt,
effective action in the economic field on behalf of the region as a whole.
There is a clamnnt necessity for some single agency which can speak and
act with authority, full knowledge, and at short notice, for the region in a
wide field of activities, of which trade negotiations are only the most
prominent example ................."
The recommendation is 'that we have a Federal Government divided into- a
Federal Assembly, and a Senate, there will be two lists of subjects on which the
Federal Government can legislate; one will be an exclusive list on which only the
Federal Government can legislate, which will embody such things as are applicable
to the whole region and in addition to it there will be a concurrent list with
matters that will affect both the federal and the individual unit. Of course the
Federal Government will always take precedence wherever" there is -a clash;
although they will not control the unit, they will take precedence. Let us take








the present position of the West Indies; you can hardly move from place to place.
St. Vincent I think is one of the worst; I do not know if it is worse than Dominica.
When you get out you cannoteget in; and when you are in you cannot get out. The
Federal Government will be able to put down adequate means of transport for
trade and other purposes, and would make us able to. develop the region very
much better than at present. While no individual Colony can do that, the
Federal Government will, I think, be able to improve steamship communication,
aeroplane service, and that sort of thing. That is\the way we will build up the
stability of the Federation.
There was very much discussion as to whether you should have a bi-came'ral or
uni-cameral legislature. I favoured a uni-cameral legislature, but on review it was
\ found that everywhere else there were two 'Houses: Some of us favoured
representation in the Senate on an elective principle, but the majority carried;
that is done in the United States, I think there is a system in Canada. We would
have nominations by -the Governor. I do not like the nominations, but it was
agreed that the Members of the Senate should be nominated by the Governor
General.
It was thought that there should be some pre-federal activities, but there again a
discussion arose as to whether we could very well-carry out pre-federal action. For
instance it will mean that if we got like a Civil Service Commission-though the
recommendation is there you will see where in the report, when we come to discuss
that, that it hasnot been recommended as workable until Federation; if we want
anything that takes on the aspect of a federal nature we must wait until the
Federation has been accepted. Every Colony may not accept it right away but we
must begin with those that are willing and ready. I think in the future those who
have stood out at 'the start will come in like in the case of Canada and
Newfoundland; after about 80 years or more Newfoundland came in.
Iet us see how we can develop. Nothing succeeds like success. When the
others see .we are succeeding, they will like to share in the success that has been
made. Some people complain about the reserve powers of the Government. As
you will see, there are only certain bills that will be reserved for His Majesty's
assent. The Governor General must automatically approve the majority of bills if
passed by the Legislature. Those that will be reserved for His Majesty's assent
are matters that affect H.M.G. and we cannot be against H.M.G. protecting
themselves in cases where they have to foot the bill. When we have got to that
full state where-we are able to have everything, there will be perhaps no necessity
to refer (as in the case of Canada and other places) even those bills for His
Majesty's assent. The Senate shall have the power to delay a bill for 12 months
if it is not a money bill. If it is not a money bill the House of Representatives will
have after three months the power to carry it whether it is agreed to by the Senate
or not.
Therefore in going through the whole of this recommendation, I think it is as
good as Could be given and West Indians should be.glad to accept it. You will
also have a Council of State that will be a policy-forming body. One thing I must
say first of all is that West Indians will have to learn a party system and will have
to develop it more. We are very much behind in that now. The Prime Minister
will be elected from the biggest party and the Governor General on the
'recommendation of the Prime Minister will elect 7 other members to form the
Council of State.
-Well then, gentlemen,, I think St. Vincent should be proud. to enter such a
Federation. The cost of Federation is one .thing that has been put up and I think








some people are fighting shy, but it-is to-be bore at the start by 25% of Customs
Duties throughout the area. We shall not need the whole of it for the work of
Federation to start and the Federal Government shall have the power to give
back to some of the Colonies in need, and I think St. Vincent. I'heard the
Administrator say we might feel we can ill afford to give up so much of our
revenue, but it is not a matter of giving it up altogether, but giving it up to gain
certain advantages which will very much offset the disadvantages -we now
encounter. You will see what is laid down at page 50: The Governor-General's
establishment will comprise-
Governor-General's salary 8000
duty allowance 2500
Staff, travelling and upkeep of residence 10500 21,000
As you go down the list you will find it will cost 183,000. It does look big; but
if all the Islands -go in, we will get very-much more from that 25% to meet this and
you will have a surplus on that and-naturally the Federal Government will have
to have some reserve cash so as to be able to get money'to build up industries and
that sort of-thing. ,
So, withlthose remarks, gentlemen, I am asking you today to let, St. Vincent
come in; I am sorry she has not come,in .first for we had set the pace for the .
other Colonies on the matter' of amalgamation and I do not think any other but
Grenada has accepted the Report. Let us be prepared today to look ahead. It is
true that we are going to feel in our present financial position the 25% Customs
Duties that we wil have to contribute. I heard the Administrator say the figures
Sun to a big amount, $110,000. The Honourable Member for North Windward has
gone into those details and he can show that we will be able to cover a very great
-portion by savings in many directions, and we will not have 'as gloomy a picture as
His Honour has given us. I do not think,it is necessary for me to say very much
more-unless there are any questions that members would like to ask. I am not
speaking to the public, but to the Council, who are well informed, and I hope you
will endorse the recommendations by the Closer Association Committee is they
stand, and that St. Vincent will come into the Federation of West Indian
nationhood in the British Commonwealth.
Honourable Member for North Windward: Your Honour and Honourable
Members, I beg to second the motion.
It is a long time rfow since the question of Federation has been mooted, and in
my view we have reached the stage where there can be no churning back.- I am
glad for that because these Colonies as isolated units have reached the limit of
their economic advancement axd they can never make soliti progress -economic-ally,
never again, unless they federate. I went to Jamaica with that feeling-and I was
pleased when at the Montego Bay Conference I heard'the Secretary of State, Mr.
Creech-Jones, tell us, If you do not federate now, you will be dealing a 'blow to
the West Indies from which they will not recover for decades." That is my view
and-I have been associated with efforts for federation I should say since 1916 and
I do not think that if we are called on to make pecuniary sacrifices now that that
should weigh at all. I know that there are many people who think that "the
183,000 mentioned in the report as a requirement to meet federal expenses is high
but I do not regard it as such. I think in this direction if a man is building a
house he does not regard the money he is expending as too great. He thinks of
the status he would acquire for being the owner of a property in the place and he
thinks ef the advantages, the privileges he would enjoy for having a property and








so he spends the money. With Federation we hope to inake economic advance on
which depends all progress. That is the sole aim, that these Colonies will be
placed in a position to develop their resources; the sole aim is that economically
we shall be better than we are.
Now, talking about economic conditions, we take the positioning which we are
today. We grow arrowroot, cotton and coconuts and we-ship the products to the
markets abroad. We ship to England, to America, and they tell us "Now, we will
pay you so much." But they manufacture goods from our raw products and then
they say, "Look here, you shall pay us what we want." We want to get rid of,
that; and Federation will put us in the position for that. We are going to begin
under Federation with our representatives, one, two, or three; one here, one
there, one somewhere else; and they will be able to bargain for us; more than
that, we will be present in the Councils and Conferences of nations, so that in
connection with our sugar, for instance, we would not. be squeezed oiut and have to
go somewhere, to the Colonial Office and ask.that Eiglanid .buy our surplus sugar.
SWe are in that position today because we are not represented when'treaties are
made, and so we get squeezed out. But when we are federated, when we enter
nationhood, we shall be'presen't and will be able to bargain to the benefit of our
community. So let us federate; let us spend the money,:let us spend the 183,000
and set up the federal structure and march forward, taking our place in the
Councils of nations as a Miember of the British "Commonwealth of Nations.
I do not know whether I should say more because I think I am preaching to
the converted so far as this. Council is concerned. Everybody here I take it is
satisfied that we have won in the fight against amalgamation, satisfied that St.
Vincent, Grenada, and the smallef-islands will like Trinidad all enter federation'as
autonomous units. I think evei'ybody here is' satisfied that the time has come
Swhen.the West Indians must cooperate, wh6n they must get together if they want
to.firid their place in the' sun.
And so I feel that I should not say more; and I hope that honourable members
will hot have any fear about federating because of the money to be expended. If
you want a good thing you have to pay for it. So I invite all the members here to
vote for Federation, and I feel sure that none of us will regret doing that.

'Honourable Member for South Windward: Your Honour and -Honourable
Members of Council, before I offer my comments on this Closer Association
Committee's report I would like to express some slight' dissatisfaction over the
short notice that has been given to ne for this meeting here today. I personally
feel that when a matter of such importance is to be discussed members should be
given a longer notice than they are given at present, than they have been given-at
least for this meeting. It has been a habit in the past-very pernicious habit-
to rush important bills, through this Council, and I have been opposing it
throughout and I am going to record my opposition against-its being done here in
future. I feel it is tantamount to a certain amount of disrespect to members.
Turning now to the motion before the House I regard the report with very
mixed feelings, for while I am in support of taking the half of loaf that we are
offered, my sympathy also lies with a strong body of advanced political thinking
in the West Indids, which holds that the recommendations, do not go fareniough.
But we cannot hide our faces from the fact that' there is ablfidant'evidence of-the
serious effort that has been put forward by the members of the .Committee to
produce this document. Just to quote one or two very small paragraphs to show
the seriousness of. the effort I will start froni the Introd'ictory:-







"The main underlying purpose of our task- is to seek the shortest path
towards a real political independence for the British peoples of the region,
within the framework of the British Commonwealth-what is meant in fact
by Dominion Status."
Going on we see again, .
"While we reaffirm the view expressed at the Montego Bay'Conference
that the political delelopinents of the units must be pursued as an aim in
itself, we are satisfied that the sheer f6rce of circumstances of the modern
world makes independence on a unit basis a mirage. Independence or self-
government as a,Federation is however a practical possibility, and we have
framed ourproposals with this specific object in view."
Further the-report says, .
It is true that there are many states in the world today which are
legally sovereign and independent; but it can be asserted that of these only
those which can pay their way can really be said to enjoy full independence."

That little paragraph (the last paragraph I quoted) is the great snagg as I
see it, in giving the West Indies full political responsibility. The fact that they
are afraid that these West Indies may-not be able to face their financial
responsibility.
Just a little lower down, if you will bear with me, the Report reads again :
The way to real political independence is, in short, through economic
stability and solvency."
Then finally :
We do not claim that Federation will immediately and automatically
solve the economic and fiscal problems of the region, or that it cannot fail.
We do claim that it will put in the hands of men responsible to the region as
a whole, powers and opportunities, particularly in respect to the place of the
region in world trade, which do not exist at present, and which these men
according to their abilities and inclinations can use for. the betterment of
the region. Federation as such will not solve our problems, but will provide
the conditions in which they can be dealt with.'"
As I said before, when we quote paragraphs like these we can see very easily
that these gentlemen did statesmanlike work in the preparation of this document.
But nevertheless, Federation of the West Indies is a thing that has been discussed
since 1901, since the opening of the 20th century, and it is very interesting to read
what has been said years ago, by Sir Owen phillips when he introduced Mr. Gideon
Murrary, who was putting forward at the time a scheme for the federation of the
West Indies, nearly 50 years ago. These very significant words came from the
mouth of that eminent statesman. I am quoting these words because I do not feel
that the recommendations have gone far enough, and to show that what this
gentleman suggested could have been tackled 50 years ago is not even now been
properly tackled by the Standing Closer Association Committee. In introducing
Mr. Murray Sir Owen Phillips said, -
These are the days of great federations, not only of labour and capital, but
also of states. Some-people are strongly opposed to the great federations of
labour, and also to the corresponding federitions- of capital; because -in some of
them certain abuses sometimes occur. I,.personally, believe that. lrge federations
of trade unions.and combinations of capitalists, and also the federations of small
states into dominions, are a perfectly natural development in the progress of the








nation, \where it is practicable. It is, in my opinion, perfectly futile and worse
than useless to fight against what is one of the laws of the development of our
civilisation. The wise man does not fight against natural laws, but endeavours to
assist the nation to progress along sound lines.
"The United States of Canada was the first great Union of States." I am
asking you gentlemen to nake a special note of that. "Canada followed
in 1867, and bids fair in the not far distant future to rival her great
neighbour. Whilst-Australia which is still practically an uninhabited continent
(the population being little more than one person to the square mile) followed in
1901, when the States were formed into the Commonwealth. The Union of South
Africa which was formed-in 1909-appears likely to justify thq faith of its
founders." Now this is the point and I continue to quote :, ,
"It is a inatter for the West Indies, which are the oldest Colonies under the
Crown." I want the words emphasized: "The Oldest Colonies under the
Crown to consider whether they will continue to remain comparatively isolated,
as they are now, or whether they will sink local differences and combine together
to forrh a West Indian Dominion, and thus. fall into line with the other British
Dominions beyond- the seas. If .they could see their way to do this-and past
history.has shown that any movement in this direction must come from the
colonies themselves, they.would take their proper place in the-Councils of the
Empire."

(The Honourable Crown Attorney arrives.)
I think that those are great- words, a very great statement indeed; and
when we think of the fact that the- great United States of America at one tiife-
comprised a set of Colonies belonging to Britain, and had to-wrench herself free,
has now turned back. to be-able to offer help and save the mother country
financially; when we consider that the great Dominion of Canada is in a position
today, economically and financially; to offer great assistance to Britain, when we
consider that the Union o0 South Africa and the. great Dominion of Australia are
able to come out. and- offer such generous assistance to the mother country, we
wonder, and-I wonder, if these Colonies of the West Indies had taken the bold step
towards full responsibility -many years ago, if we now would not have been in a
Similar position of offering some such assistance also to the. mother country. And
that is why I believe that the Closer Association Committee did not tackle the-
problem as extensively as I would have liked. -
Just as a matter of interest and as I heard some remarkstnade with regard to
the Question of the amalgamation of the smaller islands, someone said they were
smashed to smithereens. My address on that question has gone on record and I
:-' m proud of that address supporting the question of a closer political cohesion of
the smaller units before going into the larger federation. I did so, and in
principle-I will'do it again. I am hoping that what I tried to get done when I tried
to tie them together legally will be done voluntarily when they get together in the
Federal Assembly. I very much doubt it, and I would like to make this statement
S quite clear, that I have never been'in opposition to Federation, and to prove that
point I shall quote just a couple of paragraphs from my address in vindication of
that statement I just made, and also as a matter of interest to this Colony; it is in
connection with my visit as this Colony's representative to the Montego. Bay
Conference. I. said







"I am here to express the wishes of the people of St. Vincent and I can say
that throughout the length and breadth of my country, there is the intense wish
and the earnest desire that this conference will be successful in evolving a
formula that will make West Indian Federation a.,living reality. We are driven to
this intense feeling for closer union because we realise that economically there is
much inefficiency and consequent waste of money in the small isolated islands
that could be avoided by central planning and-central direction." I was speaking
to the representatives. of the larger islands.
'i can only refer, gentlemen, to some of our Public Works Departments. We
have Been.driven to this feeling for federation, and I hope that the larger islands
will listen to this, and that it touches them very deeply, because we realise that
without federation our people in the small islands have no hope whatever of-
making real political progress. I want you, gentlemen, to think how mortifying it
can be to the spirit, the soul, the self respect and the dignity of a people to know
that they have no real political goal. At the same time I want it to be fully
understood that my colony does not intend to be any financial burden in any
federation whatevr. Rather, we are anxious to bear our full share of
responsibility in the federation.
Gentlemen, I said, at the beginning and I quote this because I mean it also
for the matter under discussion today, "I-said at the beginning that I was
expressing the wishes of the people of St. Vincent. They are prepared to support
some fofh of federation now. This they hope will be accompanied by some form
of interim Government to be worked out and which would practically amount to
self government and dominion status. Gentlemen, we are living in a very
advanced age, popularly called the Atomic Age, and we find it hard to forgive our
forefathers that we are still here thinking, arguing and beating our heads
together to find some formula of federation, but we can still find it possible to
forgive our fathers; I doubt whether if we allow this opportunity to pass,
presented to us here as on a plethora by the Right Horiourable the Secretary of
State, that our children would or should ever forgive us."
Well, gentlemen, I have reiterated some of the remarks that I made at that
conference, and today I would like to commend them to you in my support of this
Committee's Report; but again I repeat that while I join in, supporting the
resolution I have a strong leaning towards the views of those advanced political
thinkers in the Caribbean who consider that we are allowing an opportunity to
slip by for planking down for full Dominion Status. I accept the half a loaf that
- we are being given in -this Report,- regretting none the less that it was not fuller
and more ample than it is.
-Honourable Member for Leeward : Your Honour and Honourable Members of
Council, I rise to support the motion. I am convinced that the development of
West -Indian nationhood, the creation of a civilized standard of life and the
aspirations of our people can best be' secured by the federation of the British
Caribbean territories. TheReport of the Standing Closer Association' Committee
points the way to political independence in the Caribbean. It gives the West
Indies the chance to go forward.to Dominion Status; and if we do not grasp this
Caribbean Federation now we shall tell the rest of the world that we are incompetent
to run our own affairs. I'have no doubt whatever of the success of Federation in
these parts. The point is how to bring it about as quickly as possible. It is for us
to go forward together with the determination to create a West Indian nation. 'I
do not agree with the Standing Closer Association Committee 100% but I regard
the Report as good enough to be accepted by us for making a start. I must say.





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that there-is-one point which I think should be fixed, and that is the question of
salaries. I do not agree with the salaries proposed by the Committee. I do not
think the West Indies are in a position to pay such salaries as those of Canada,
the United States, and other countries. We do not want to be burdened by a
* terrific overhead expense. Of course, the Report cannot be in accord with every
viewpoint of everybody. It is an attempt to bring these Colonies together, the
ultimate aim being the social, economic and general advancement of our people.
I have faith in the Federation of the West Indies and I believe that in the long run
great benefits will be derived from a common effort. We want to be recognized as
West Indians-with joint interests, to speak with a common voice and make that
voice heard. I object to the statement asking what can we get out of it. If we
view it in that light we will lose everything. I put above all other things a West
Indian Nation standing shoulder to shoulder with other nations of the world. It
is the smallest ambition that we can utter in this age of progress. We must
become an entity or remain impotent nonentities.

Honourable W. A. Hadley : Your Honour, Honourable Members cf
Council, I think of Federation with fear and misgiving. I believe we eventually
will -federate and hope' that we will come through it and be better off than
we are today. The more I think of it the more difficult I think it is. We are very
small in many respects. One speaker mentioned industrializing. We have found
for many-years it is very difficult for small places to industrialize and put products
on the market of similar value to the bigger places; they have the means of doing
it. We have no coal, which is the, cheapest fuel.
Then agriculture : One speaker said our sugar is not taking its proper place'
in the world market. We have never been able to produce sugar irl these islands
to compete with sugar in the bigger places. The reason is quite obvious; much
bigger capital is put up in other places; they have better machiriety; and we will
always have to market our sugar on different lines to the big colonies. We will
never produce sugar here in the West Indies as cheaply as it can be produced in
bigger places, and put it on the market and sell it at competitive prices. But with
.Federation and with the hell of Britain and the Dominions we might be able to
work it out. But I do not want anybody to think it is going to be an easy task. It
is.going to be a very difficult thing to put through and make a success of."
It was mentioned by one speaker that the United States of America, Canada,
South Africa, and Australia have all federated. They are all big places, not small,
and they had a lot of difficulty to get their federation working smoothly. We will
have much more difficulty here than they ever had.
The matter of finance we.have side-stepped. One speaker said a ma'n must
build a house that people can be proud of. We cannot build that house unless we
can afford to build it, or the house will be of no value to us or anyone else. I
realize that these islands have come to the stage that if they can get together and
work together happily, we might be better off than we are today; but there will be
very difficult times and a very hard fight, and every West Indian must put his back
into it if he is going to make a success of it; otherwise we are going t,; fail and be
much worse off than we are today.
I hope that within the area we will be able to get enough statesmanship to see
us through. We have very little opportunity in these islands. Our hope is that
some of the bigger places with bigger population, and willing to assist us shall be
able to find men of integrity and ability that will be able to help Federation as a
whole. But each individual island will find it very difficult in the first few years
to carry on.








The amount, 25% or Whatever it is, that is going to be taken from us will leave
us in a very weak position. We are going to find it very difficult to carry on
without help from the British Government, whether by loan or otherwise. We
will have to be assisted for'some time before we can work it out for ourselves.\ It
is a very nice outlook politically. Financially I am very much afraid. Federation
is coming; as things progress we must not be lIft behind, and we are progressing,
but we have to be on solid ground or we will find in years to come that we have not
progressed and that we are worse off than we are today. There is nothing more I
can say now except that when Federation comes I hope every West Indian that has
anything to do with it in any of the Chambers, or Councils, will think of the West
Indies as a whole, sink his petty feelings, and forget the individual, and that West
Indians' will work together-and fight hard to make it 1a success.

Honourable Member for Kingstown : "I would just, like to make one remark.
I was present at the Montego Bay Conference, and -as I saw there, the fear was
that the bigger Colonies thought the smaller islands would be a burden on them.
But now we have read these recommendations put up by the Closer Association .
Committee, I think that fear should be dispelled. It is a matter of making each
place self-dependent. It is only by federating we can expect independence and
financial stability.

The Honourable Member for South Windward quoted Sir Owen Phillips'
address in which he reminded us that we are the Oldest Colonies in, the
Commonwealth. I think West Indians must be prepared to take on responsibility.
It is no good going jogging along as we have been doing. I heard over the radio
the other night that Great Britaip is not prepared to force Federation upon us, but
that Federation will come; force of circumstances will make it possible. We have
to get it some time or other. What is the point of going on as we have been
doing? As Shakespeare said :-
"Let us go forth and let us then face 'the shadowy future without fear and
with manly hearts."
Let us today accept the recommendations of the Standing Closer Association
- Committee for a Caribbean Federation.
The Resolution was put to the vote, the result being as follows: MJve
members in favour. The Honourable W. A. Hadley, Nominated Member abstained
.from voting. Official Memberg did not vote.

President : Regarding the next motion on the Order Paper, the Chairman of
the Civil Service Association brought to my notice this morning certain facts
Regarding certain resolutions which have been adopted at their meeting recently
in Barbados and asked whether it would be possible for this particular motion to-
be postponed until the Civil Service Association could circulate a memorandum.
I would be glad to know whether the Honourable Member for 'North Windward
would be agreeable to this motion being put off until the next meeting of Council,
pending the circulation of this memorandum.

Honourable Member for North Windward : Yes, sir. Under the circumstances
I beg to move that the motion standing in my name be deferred until the next
meeting of Council.
Meniers: Agreed.






-Honourable Member for South Windward : If the member withdraws his
motion we do not vote on it.
President: I just wanted to know if it is-agreeable to Honourable Members.
Honourable Crown Attorney (Ag.) : Once it is on the Order Paper it should
be formally voted on.
I beg to move that this Council adjoilrn sine die.
Honourable Colonial Treasurer (Ag.) : I beg to second the motion.
Question put and agreed to.
SHnourable Member for Kingstown-: I would like to ask that St. Vincent
cable to the other islands that she is accepting the Report of the Standing Closer
Association Committee.
President : Agreed.

Council adjourns, sine die at 3.50 p.m.

HENRY H. WILLIAMS,
S Acting Clerk, Legislative Council.


SConfirmed ist March, 1951

W. F. COUTTS,
SAdministrator,




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