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Gazette Notices

A cting Appointments:
R. D. S. Goodridge as Assistant Secretary,
Ministry of Health and Community Development 31 I
F. Nelson as Berthing Master, Port Dep't..... 511
Dennis A. Smith as Senior Executive Officer,
Ministry of Health and Community Development 51 1
Application for Liquor Licence, District "E" l'town 51
Livingstone L. Blackett as Water Rates Supervisor 513
Mrs. May I. Stuart as Executive Officer, Q.E.11. 513
Industrial Incentives re Galvanized steel: Corrugated
Sheets, B.R.C. Fabrication in coils, etc....... 515
In the Supreme Court: Gollop vs. Bartholemew....... 518
Gollop vs. Sedgemore; Grant vs. Clarke........ 519, 517
Haynes vs. Williams: Ross vs. Odle............ 516. 517
Skinner vs. Waite: Taitt vs. Yarde.............. 519, 516
Licensing of Air Services, (6).......................... 526-531
Probate Advertisements dated 29th May, 1969....... 533, 534
Register of Persons registered as Citizens of
Barbados............................................. 520-525
Tyrone Clarke, Clerical Officer, Customs Dep't 51 I
Neza L. Foster, Machine Operator, Statistical
Department...................................... 51 1
Quita M. Walcott, Stenographer, General Post
Office ................................................ 51 1
No. 129 Sergeant F. Harvey, Royal Barbados
Police Force......................... ...... 513
Miss Iris M. Spence, Head Teacher.............. 513

Senate Debates for

S.I. 1969 No. 89
Proclamation appointing the Public Buildings as the
place for holding a session of Parliament.



Livingstone L. Blackett, Waste andSer-
vice Inspector has been appointed to the post
of Water Rates Supervisor, Waterworks De-
partment, with effect from 1st May, 1969.

(M.P. 585/41)

Mrs. May I. Stuart has been appointed
to the post of Executive Officer, Queen
Elizabeth Hospital with effect from 1st May,

(M.P. 443/51)


Miss Iris M. Spence, Head Teacher has
retired from the Public Service with effect
from 1st May, 1969.

(M.P. P. 6924)

No. 129 Sergeant F. Harvey, has been
granted permission to retire from the Royal
Barbados Police Force, with effect from 1st
June, 1969.

(M.P. 6978/T.1)

X3azdP, 7e .

A.L.2 Ad

NO. 45




Acting Appointments

F. Nelson, Mate, has been appointed to
act as Berthing Master, Port Department,
with effect from 23rdApril, 1969 to 10thMay,

M.P. 4373/27/1)

Dennis A. Smith, Executive Officer, has
been appointed to act as Senior Executive Of-
ficer, Ministry of Health and Community De-
velopment, with effect from 9th June, 1969
until further notice.

(M.P. 1515/39/19/6)

R. D. S. Goodridge, Administrative As-
sistant, has been appointed to act as Assistant
Secretary, Ministry of Health and Community
Development, with effect from 15th June,
1969 until further notice.

(M.P. 1515/39/19/6)


Quita M. Walcott, Stenographer, Gener-
al Post Office, resigned from the Public Ser-
vice with effect from 3rd June, 1969.

(M.P. P. 5242)

Neza L. Foster, Machine Operator, Sta-
tistical Department, resigned from the Pub-
lic Service with effect from 1st June, 1969.

(M.P. P. 7378)

Tyrone Clarke, Clerical Officer, Customs
Department, resigned from the Public Service
with effect from 10th May, 1969.

(M.P. P. 9276)



(Act 1957 -40)
ADDRESS: Paynes Bay, St. James
PREMISES: Wall and galvanized
building situated at
Halls Village St. James.

Dated this 14th day of May 1969.


This Application for a Retail Licence will
be considered at a Licensing Court to be held
at Magistrate's Court Dist. "E" Holetown
on Thursday the 26th day of June 1969 at
9.00 o'clock a.m.

Clerk to Licensing Authority.



Patents Act, 1903 7, Sec. 10

NOTICE is hereby given that Farwerke
Hoechst Aktiengesellschaft a body corporate
recognized under German Law of 6230
Frankfurt (Main) 80, Postfach 80 03 20,
Germany lodged in this Office an application
and complete specification for a patent under
the Patent Act 1903 (1903-7), for an invention

The said Specification has been accepted
and is open to public inspection at this Office.




June 5, 1969





(Section 6)

The Prime Minister and Minister of Fi-
nance pursuant to Section 6 of the Industrial
Incentives Act, 1963, hereby gives notice that
he is about to be asked to consider whether
for the purposes of the abovementioned Act,
the following products should be approved
products and whether the following company
should be an approved enterprise in respect
of the relevant products.

Any person interested in the manufacture
or importation of the products who objects to
them being declared approved products or
the company being declared an approved en-
terprise for the purposes of the Industrial
Incentives Act, 1963, should forward to the
Director, Economic Planning Unit, Office of
the Prime Minister and a copy to the Manager,
Barbados Industrial Development Corporation,
to reach them on or before Wednesday, June,
18th, 1969, a statement in writing setting
forth the grounds of his objection.

Company: Relevant Products:

UNIC Industries (1) Galvanized steel

(Barbados) Ltd.

& flat sheeets
(2) Corrugated sheets
(3) B. R. C. Fabrica-
tion in coils
(4) Angle iron,
Channel iron
purlins slotted
(5) Steel windows

(6) Steel wheel-bar-

(7) Steel office &
household furni-
(8) Profiles for the
building & fur-
niture Indus-


(Act 1957 40)




Kendall Hill,
Christ Church.
A Chattel shop of wood
with galvanised roof
situated at Kendall Hill,
Christ Church.

Dated this 19th day of May 1969.


This Application for a Retail Liquor Li-
cence will be considered at a Licensing Court
to be held at Magistrate's Court District
"B" on Monday the 23rd day of June 1969 at
9 o'clock a.m.

Clerk to Licensing Authority.


June 5, 1969




High Court

No. 65 of 1969




The undermentioned property will be set
up for sale at the Registration Office on the
27th day of June1969 at 2 p.m. and if not then
sold it will be set up for sale on each succeed-
ing Friday at 2 p.m. until sold.

PROPERTY: ALL THAT certain piece or
parcel of land containing by admeasurement
One Rood or thereabouts situate at Pilgrim
Thyme Bottom in the parish of Christ Church
and Island aforesaid BUTTING AND BOUND -
ING on lands of K. Best on lands of B. Scott,
on lands of S. Hall on a private road, on lands
of A.Brathwaite or however else the same may
abut and bound.

UPSET PRICE: $700.00

Dated this 22nd day of May 1969.

Registrar of the Supreme Court.



High Court

No. 68 of 1969




The undermentioned property will be set
up for sale at the Registration Office on the
27th day of June 1969 at 2 p.m. and if not then
sold itwill be set up for sale on each succeed-
ing Friday at 2 p.m. until sold.

PROPERTY: ALL THAT certainpiece or
parcel of land situate at Lighter Cottage near
Checker Hall in the parish of Saint Lucy and
Island aforesaid containing by admeasurement
Three and three-quarter perches or there -
abouts Abutting and Bounding on lands of
Hubert Brome on lands of V. I. Richardson
on lands of the Estate of S. Skinner deceased
on lands ofMrs. I. E. Harris and on the pub -
lic road or however else the same may abut
and bound.

UPSET PRICE : $500.00

Dated this 22nd day of May 1969.

Registrar of the Supreme Court.


June 5, 1969





High Court

No. 79 of 1969.





The undermentioned property will be set
up for sale at the Registration Office on the
27th day of June 1969 at 2 p.m. and if not then
sold it will be set up for sale on each succeed-
ing Friday at 2 p.m. until sold.

PROPERTY: ALL THAT certain piece
or parcel of land situate at Brittons Hill in the
parish ofSaintMichaelin this Island contain-
ing by admeasurement two thousand seven
hundred square feet or thereabouts abutting
and bounding on lands formerly of one
Osbourne but now or late of J. Beckles on
lands formerly of one Moe but now or late of
Mrs. Millar on lands now or late of one White
and on the Public Road or however else the
same may abut and bound.
UPSET PRICE: $1,350.00

Dated this 22nd day of May 1969.

Registrar of the Supreme Court.

High Court

No. 66 of 1969



The undermentioned property will be set
up for sale at the Registration Office on the
27th day of June 1969 at 2 p.m. and if not then
sold it will be set up for sale on each succeed-
ing Friday at 2 p.m. until sold.

PROPERTY: ALL THAT certain piece
or parcel of land situate near Dalkeith in the
parish of SaintMichael in this Island contain-
ing by admeasurement 4,185 square feet or
thereabouts (of which area 185 square feet or
thereabouts are contained in the public road
hereinafter mentioned) Butting and Bounding
on lands now or late of Mrs. Constance Haynes
of Miss L. Hunte of Mrs. Clara Linton and on
what was formerly a road in common but is
now the public road called Second Avenue
Paddock Road or however else the same may
abut and bound.

UPSET PRICE: $3,000,00

Dated this 22nd day of May 1969.


Registrar of the Supreme Court.


I .. = 1Q0

Ji 10



High Court

No. 70 of 1969



The undermentioned property will be set
up for sale at the Registration Office on the
27th day of June 1969 at 2 p.m. and if not then
sold itwill be set up for sale on each succeed-
ing Friday at 2 p.m. until sold.

tain piece or parcel of land situate at a place
called "Bartletts" in the parish of Christ
Church and Island aforesaid and being the lot
numbered 26 on a Plan dated 27th August 1937
by C. H. Inniss, Sworn Surveyor, formerly
said to contain by admeasurement two roods
and sixteen perches (inclusive of three roods
in a road eight feet wide adjoining the same)
but found by survey made by J. R. Peterkin,
Sworn Surveyor, on 9th January 1969 to con-
tain by admeasurement twenty-six thousand
four hundred and two square feet (inclusive of
nine hundred and twelve square feet in the
said road eight feet wide) BUTTING AND
BOUNDING formerlyonlots 25, 27, and 28 on
the said plan of 27th August 1937 but now on
lands of W. L. Kinch, on lots 27 hereinafter

granted and described on the remainder of the.
said road eight feet wide and on another road
twelve feet wide which leads to the public road
or however else the same may butt and bound
and SECONDLY ALL THAT certain piece or
parcel of land ( part of the said place called
Bartletts) and being the lot numbered 27on
the hereinbefore mentioned plan formerly said
to contain by admeasurement three roods and
thirty-one perches (inclusive of five perches
in a road which leads out to the public road)
but found by survey made by J. R. Peterkin,
Sworn Surveyor, on the said 9th January 1969
to contain by admeasurement forty-one thous-
and nine hundred and ninety seven square feet
be the same more or less BUTTING AND
BOUNDING formerly on lots 10,11, 12, 25, 26
and 28 on the said Plan dated 27th August 1937
but now abutting and bounding on lands of W. L.
Kinch, Gordon Parkinson, J. D. S. Mackenzie
and on the parcel of land hereinbefore granted
and described and on lands of one Walcott or
however else the same may butt and bound.

UPSET PRICES: $7,250.00 each.

Dated this 22nd day of May 1969.


Registrar of the Supreme Court


June 5, 1969




High Court

No. 77 of 1969


in by Cyril Bruce Brooks, her consti-
tuted Attorney on record in this Island:

The undermentioned property will be set
up for sale at the Registration Office on the
27th day of June 1969 at2 p.m. and if notthen
sold it will be set up for sale on each suc-
ceeding Friday until sold.

PROPERTY: ALL THAT certain piece
or parcel of land situate at Clapham in the
parish of Christ Church in this Island con-
tainingby admeasurement 12,330 square feet
(inclusive of 670 square feet in twopublic
roads which run along the northern and
southern boundaries of the said land) BUTT-
ING AND BOUNDING on the East on lands of
one Hutchinson and H. Hinds, on the south on
public road called Ford's Road, on the Vest
on lands of Edna Breedy Skipper and on the
North on a public road known as Clapham
Heights or however else the same may butt
and bound.

UPSET PRICE: $5,830.00

Dated this 22nd day of May 1969.

Registrar of the Supreme Court.

High Court

No. 44 of 1969




The undermentioned property will be set
up for sale at the Registration Office on the
27th day of June 1969 at 2 p.m. and ifnotthen
sold it will be set up for saleoneachsuc-
ceeding Friday at 2 p.m. until sold.

PROPERTY: ALL THAT certain piece
or parcel of land situate at Enterprise in the
parish of Christ Church and Island aforesaid
containing by admeasurement two roods one
and nine-tenths perches ( inclusive of three
and two tenths perches in the area of the pub -
lic road hereinafter mentioned) Abutting and
bounding on lands now or late of Edward
Lovell, on lands now or late of Inez Elliott
and on the public road hereinbefore mentioned
leading from Enterprise Main Road toDrayton
Farm or however else the same may abut and

UPSET PRICE: $7,000.00

Dated this 22nd day of May 1969.

Registrar of the Supreme Court



June 5. 1969

sa --
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Section of Act
PLACE or Constitu-
NAME OF ADDRESS tion under
BIRTH which Reg-

Adelia Clarke
Pauline Loetitia Clarke

Philomene Agatha Stewart

Elenor Anne Stoute

Isabel Ramsay

Mabel Adina Mason

Nancy Ethel Perkins

Marie Frances Fontinelle

Yakub Ibrahim Bhana

Norma Clare Stoute

Lauriel Esdale Browne

Joan Thelma Belgrave

Mary Helena Murray

Agnes Theresa Alroy Farnum

Elsa Glenora Hayling

Nazaria Lorna Fernandes

Beryl Eudora Layne

Una Thelma St. Jour

Nina Rehannah Miller

Kay Vivienne Ruth Cummins

Ignatia Cecily Chandler

Edna Muriel Leacock

Magda Adaliese Patricia Blades

Vinette Aditha Holder

Lajwanti Nathurmai Thani

Maria Alcindor

Fatimabibi Abdulla Patel

Catherine Greaves

St. Lucia

St. Lucia




St. Vincent


St. Lucia



St. Lucia


St. Lucia

St. Lucia



St. Lucia

St. Lucia



St. Lucia


St. Vincent



St. Lucia





Long Gap, Spooners Hill, St. Michael

No. 35 Martin's Rd., Pine Housing Area

St. Stephen's Land Scheme, Black Rock,
St. Michael

Rendezvous Gardens, Christ Church

Pine Hill Road, St. Michael

40 Broughton Hill, Letchsorth, Herts

Pavilion Bungalow, Hastings

Allen Land, Clevedale, Black Rock

Fontabelle, St. Michael

#51 Dover Gardens, Christ Church

Prospect, St. James

"The Glen" Flat, No. 3 Paddock Road
St. Michael

Vauxhall, Christ Church

Gowdy's Gap, Lakes Folly, St. Michael

Sobers Lane, St. Michael

Two Mile Hill, St. Michael

Nurse Land, Tweedside Rd., St. Mich.

Savoy, Bay Street, St. Michael

Seclusion Gardens, Black Rd., St. Mich.

"Gothmarc", Bank Hall, St. Michael

My Lords' Hill, St. Michael

Wildey House, St. Michael

Merricks, St. Philip

hapel Gap, Spooners' Hill, St. Mich.

Welches, St. Michael

arner's Gap, Brittons Hill, St. Mich.

ickwick Gap, St. Michael

annister Land, Marintdales Road,
St. Michael.

Sec.3(1) Con.

Sec. 6 Con.

Sec. 6 Con.

Sec.3(1) Con.

Sec.3(1) Con.

Sec.3(1) Con.

Sec.3(1) Con,

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.5(1) Act

Sec.3(1) Con.

Sec.3(1) Con.

Sec. 6 Con.

Sec. 6 Con.

Sec. 6 Con.

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(1) Con.

Sec.3(1) Con.

Sec.3(1) Con.

Sec.3(1) Con.

Sec. 6 Con.

Sec.3(1) Con.

Sec.5(1) Act

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(3) Con.

Sec.3(1) Con.



June 5, 1969


Sction of Act
PLACE or ('onstitu-
NAME OF ADDRESS tion under
BIRTH "Iiclh Heg-

Marigold Ophelia Harper
Aminabibi Ismail Sulmeman

Albertina James

Mary Daphne Edward

Claire Mauricelle Charles

Suleman Mohmed Samrodiya

William Fitz Herbert Banfield

Verna Orlean Sarju

Sawak Sarju

Joseph Manasseh Parris

Vivian Peter Williams

Adele Nervais

Ilene Agatha Holder

Anne Marie Cherry

Mary Fearrimina Paul

Marie Rosalie E. James also
Marie Rosalie E. Baptiste

Hudson Shillingford also Hudson

Patricia Ann Hassell

Veronica Thompson also known
as Veronica Mathurin

Ave Crispiana Rhoda Regis

Edith Mae MacDonald also
Edith May MacDonald

Peter Serieux

Louisanne Jean Louis

Therese Louis

Joanes Mactus also known as
Jones Matthias

Catherine Elisa Lang also
Kathleen Lang

Mona Lilian Haynes




St. Lucia

St. Lucia







St. Lucia


St. Lucia

St. Lucia

St. Lucia



St. Lucia

St. Lucia

St. Christophei

.St. Lucia

St. Lucia

St. Lucia

St. Lucia



Forde's Road, Clapham, Ch. Ch.

Hart's Gap, Christ Church

#12 Ulster Row, Grazettes, St. Michael

Dr. Kerr's Land, Hindsbury Rd., St. Mict

Ashby Alley, Nelson Street, St. Mich.

Nelson Street, St. Michael.

The Bungalow, Bush Hill, St. Michael

Enterprise Gardens, Ch. Ch.

Enterprise Gardens, Ch. Ch.

Belleplaine, St. Andrew

St. Hill's Rd., Carrington Village

Sealy Land, Bank Hall, St. Michael

Bonnett's, Brittons Hill, St. Michael

Quarry Rd., Bush Hall, St. Michael

St. Matthias Road, Christ Church

King William Street, Bridgetown

Combermere Street, St. Michael

Strathclyde, St. Michael

Mason Hall Street, St. Michael

10 Launceston Lane, Gall Hill Housing
Area, Christ Chirch

"Coven", 10th Ave., Belleville, St. Mich.

Blackman Rd., Carrington Village,
St. Michael

Scotts Gap, Brittons Hill, St. Michael

Bane Hall Hill, St. Michael

Pasture Rd., Haggatt Hall, St. Michael

Navy Gardens, Christ Church

Flat 1B, Vauxhall, St. James

4 4 1

Sec.3(1) Con

Sec.3(3) Con.

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec. 4 Act

Sec. 4 Act

Sec. 4 Act

Sec. 4 Act

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(1) Con.

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(1) Con.

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.5(1) Act

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec. 4 Act

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(1) Con.


J ne 5 1969

June 5, 1969



PLACE Section of Act
or Constitu-
NAME OF ADDRESS tion under
BIRTH which Reg-

Laurel Ann Parkinson

Winston Albert Richardson

Teresa Leonie Richardson

Julia DaSilva

Josephine Napoleon Charles

Carlita Leartha Patterson

Philomene Prescott

Leslie FitzWalter Bury

Ruth Elizabeth Wallace

Cyril Francis Lawrence
Anne Marguerite Lewis

Eugenie Horita Murphy

Simone Springer

Maria Laurencia Hooper
also known as Norma Linita
Rosalie Millicent Elliot

Pearl Lilian Gibbons

Ronauld Bertrand McLawrence

Christiana Florestine

Winifred Delia Bellot

Nolan Malvern Gooding

Adelina Agatha Gainer

Mary Elizabeth Collett Wardrop

Marie Joseph

orman Christopher Gregg

Elma Waterman

Joseph Edward DeBarros

asil Alwin Higgins also known
as Basil Alwyn Higgins

Ramona Agnes Julien

ohn Lee


St. Lucia

St. Vincent


St. Lucia

St. Vincent

St. Lucia


St. Vincent


St. Lucia


St. Lucia

St. Lucia

Ohio, U. S.


St. Lucia


St. Vincent



St. Lucia

St. Vincent

St. Vincent





159 Regency Park, Christ Church.

Upton, St. Michael

Upton, St. Michael

Fairfield x Road, St. Michael

Brittons x Road, St. Michael

Emmerton Lane, St. Michael

King William Street, City

Stafford House, Garrison St. Michael

Station Hill, St. Peter

Bonnetts, Brittons Hill, St. Michael

Deacon's Housing Area, St. Michael

Clevedale Landing Scheme, Black Rock

No. 23 Parkinson Field, Pine St. Michael

Barbarees Hill, St. Michael

Pavillion Lodge, Hastings, Ch. Ch.

Kensington, George St. Belleville

Beckwith Street, St. Michael

Beckwith Street, St. Michael

"Ventnor", Harts Gap, Ch. Ch.

Brandons Deacons Road, Black Rock

Burke's Gap, Britton's Hill, St. Michael

"The Gables", St. Lawrence Main Rd.

Street Road, Nr. Flag Staff Rd., Clapham
St. Michael.

Gills Road, Greenfields, St. Michael

Brankers Gap, Government Hill

Welches Terrrace, St. Michael

Holder's Hill, St. James

Field Place, Bay Land, St. Michael
"Calais", Prospect, St. James

Sec.5(1) Act

Sec.3(2) Con

Sec.3(2) Con

Sec.3(2) Con

Sec.3(2) Con

Sec.5(1) Act
Sec. 6 Con.

Sec. 4 Act

Sec 4 Act

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(1) Con.

Sec.3(1) Con..

Sec.3() Con.

Sec.3(1) Con.

Sec.3(1) Con.
Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec3(2) Con.

Sec3(2) Con.


Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec. 6 Con.

Sec. 4 Act

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(2) Con.



Section of Act
PLACE or Constitu-
tion under
BIRTH ith red.
BIRTH istered.

Ignatia Ross

Lucille Edris Dorival also known
as Edrice Dorival

George Balfour Tatem

Otho Gordon Gill
Vernon McArthur Moore

John Terence Gilmore

Ruth Howard Smith

Dorothy Mavis Phillips

Danesbury Eton Alonzo

Catherine Pascal also known as
Catherine Pascall

Elmira Blanc

Patricia Yvonne Vieira

Marcelene Cecilia Pope

Bethel Francis DeVaux

Ruby Ferreira

Esther Ismay Johnson

Ulric Nascimento

Pengerma Sealy also known as
Marie Sealy
Ronald Kingsley Bennett

Monique Marcelle Bennett

Maria Theresa Thomas

Wilhelmina Hazel

Kathleen May Gilmore

Pamela Evadne Lawrence



St. Kitts

U. S. A.









St. Vincent

St. Lucia









St. Matthias Road, Christ Church

"St. Jude", Beckwith St., St. Michael

730 Brimley Rd., Scarborough, Ontario

Dunloe Flats, Henry's Land, St. M.

Hothersal Turning, St. Michael

Roseville St. Peter

Worthing View, Ch. Ch.
Chelsea Road, St. Michael

"Verbank", Bank Hall, Main Rd. St. M.

Holders Hill, St. James

Nelson Street, Bridgetown

"Vanbury", Brighton, Black Rock

20 Block B Garrison, St. Michael

Westbury Road, St. Michael

Enmore No. 2,Collymore Rork, St. M.

"Sunset House",Prospect, St. James

"Seafield", Worthing, Ch. Ch.

"'Marville House", Hindsbury Rd., St. M.
"Cloudwalk", Rendezvous Ridge
Christ Church
"Cloudwalk", Rendezvous Ridge

"Sea Nest", Enterprise, Ch. Ch.

Villa Road, Britton's Hill, St. M.

Roseville St. Peter
"Inveresk", Warner's Terrace Ch. Ch.

L ___ _____ J .

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec.3(2) Con.
Sec.3(2) Con.

Sec. 5(1) Act

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Section of Act
or Constitu-
PLACE tion under
BIRTH istered.

Mohmed Rafik Mohmed
Abdulla Patel
Abdul Samad Ibrahim Adam
Tina Virginia Payne
Aaron Truss
Abraham David Truss
Cordelia James
Roy Wilson Gill
Newman Eton Wilson
Stephanie Marguerite Knight
Anathilde Thrasille Dear
Rosalie Dulcie Warren
Mary Eliza Gaskin also
known as Mae Eliza Gaskir
Alice Marjorie Rollins

Adriana Elulina Snagg

Marie Maude
Harry Townsend Gentle also
known as Harry Townsend
Marie Jean Marie

Walerian Terajewicz
Evelyn Magdalene Truss
Clarice Pearl Small also
known as C. P. Sands
MacDonald Snagg
Theresa Joan Glace
Winifred Kathleen Haynes

Cheryl Carolyn Saul
June Kathleen Hannays

St. Lucia
St. Lucia

St. Lucia

St. Vincent


St. Lucia


St. Vincent
St. Lucia
St. Vincent


Pickwick Gap, St. Michael
Lakes Folly, St. Michael
Garnet Street, City
"Seaforth", Worthing, Ch. Ch.
"Leith Flat", Worthing, Ch. Ch.
Pickwick Gap, St. Michael
Waterhall Land, Bank Hall, St. Mich.
"Palm House" Fontabelle, St. Mich.
68 Dover Terrace, Christ Church
"Bideford", Hastings, Ch. Ch.
Perorme Gap, Worthing, Ch. Ch.

Rock Hall, St. Thomas
3 Chelston Gardens, Culloden Road,
St. Michael
4 Clovelly Ave., Toronto, Ontario,
Ocean Spray, Hastings, Ch. Ch.

Passage Road, St. Michael
2nd Ave., Grazettes New Land,
St. Michael
"Trevor", Black Rock, St. Michael
"Seaforth", Worthing, Ch. Ch.

Upper Collymore Rock, St. Michael
Nr. St. Martin, St. Philip
Reid Street, Bridgetown
'Harrington' Rendezvous Gardens,
Christ Church
alais Flats, Deacons Rd., St. Mich.
Moore Hill, St. Peter, Barbados.

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Section of Act
PLACE or Constitu-
BIRTH uhich Reg-
i stored.

Agnes Rose Best
Ursula Millicent Sealy
Mary Hinds

Ula Sylvena Forbes

Patricia Ann Cadogan
Margaret Mary Hutson

Edith Lorna Jean Thirkell

Herma Elaine King
Aurelio Herman Gomes

Gregory Arno Trieloff

St. Kitts
St. Vincent

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Mission Gap, Brittons Hill, St. Mich
Pegwell Gardens, Christ Church
No.207, 111 Notch Hill Road,
Kingston, Ontario, Canada..
294 Sumpte Street, Brooklyn 33,
New York.

"Danbrook", Rockley, Ch. Ch.
"Tara", 5th Ave., Belleville,
St. Michael
"High Cottage", Stafford House,
Garrison, St. Michael
"Lynn" Canevale, Christ Church
"The Mornings", Marine Gardens,
Christ Church
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L ___________________ ______

June .1, 1969



Government Notice


The Air Transport Licensing
under-mentioned application to operate

1. Name and Address of

2. Places between which
passengers and goods are
to be carried:

3. Places at which inter-
mediate landings are to
be made and the purposes
for which made:

4. Times or frequency of
the service:

5. Period for which the
Licence is applied for:

6. Latest date for making
representations or

Authority give notice that they have received the
a Scheduled Air Service:

British Overseas Airways Corporation
London Airport, Hunslow, Middlesex, England.


(a) For traffic purposes Manchester,
New York, Bermuda, Antigua.
(b) Weather alternate Port-of-Spain.

Six flights weekly

19th June, 1969.

This Application will be considered by the Air Transport Licensing Authority in
accordance with the provisions of the Air Navigation (Licensing of Air Services) Regula-
tions, 1959. Any representations or objections with regard to this application mustbe
made in writing, stating the specific grounds on which they are based and any conditions
which it may be desired shall be attached to the licence, if granted. They should be ad-
dressed to the Secretary, Air Transport Licensing Authority, C/o Prime Minister's
Office, Government Headquarters, Bay Street, and a copy sent to the applicant at the same
time. Further details of the application may be obtained from the Secretary.

June 5, 1969

- I I I, -- -

Government Notice


The Air Transport Licensing Authority give notice that they have received the
under-mentioned application to operate a Scheduled Air Service:

1. Name and Address of

2. Places between which
passengers and goods are
to be carried:

3. Places at which inter-
mediate landings are to
be made and the purposes
for which made:

4. Times or frequency of
the service:

5. Period for which the
Licence is applied for:

6. Latest date for making
representations or

British Overseas Airways Corporation.
London Airport, Hunslow, Middlesex, Lngland.


(a) For traffic purposes Port-of-Spain

(b) Weather alternate Port-of-Spain

One flight weekly.

19th June, 1969.

This Application will be considered by the Air Transport Licensing Authority in
accordance withthe provisions of the Air Navigation (Licensing of Air Services) Regula -
tions, 1959. Any representations or objections with regard to this application must be
made in writing, stating the specific grounds on which they are based and any conditions
which it may be desired shall be attached to the licence, if granted. They should be ad-
dressed to the Secretary, Air Transport Licensing Authority, C/o Prime Minister's
Office, Government Headquarters, Bay Street, and a copy sent to the applicant at the same
time. Further details of the application may be obtained from the Secretary.


J 5 1969

Government Notice


The Air Transport Licensing Authority give notice that they have received the
under-mentioned application to operate a Scheduled Air Service:

1. Name and Address of

2. Places between which
passengers and goods are
to be carried:

3. Places at which inter-
mediate landings are to
be made and the purposes
for which made:

4. Times or frequency of
the service:

5. Period for which the
Licence is applied for:

6. Latest date for making
representations or

British Overseas Airways Corporation
London Airport, Hunslow, Middlesex, England.


(a) For traffic purposes Prestwick,
New York, Antigua.
(b) Weather alternate Port-of-Spain

Three flights weekly.

19th June, 1969.

This Application will be considered by the Air Transport Licensing Authority in
accordance with the provisions of the Air Navigation (Licensing of Air Services) Regula-
tions, 1959. Any representations or objections with regard to this application mustbe
made in writing, stating the specific grounds on which they are based and any conditions
which it may be desired shall be attached to the licence, if granted. They should be ad-
dressed to the Secretary, Air Transport Licensing Authority, C/o Prime Minister's
Office, Government Headquarters, Bay Street, and a copy sent to the applicant at the same
time. Further details of the application may be obtained from the Secretary.


June 5. 1969


Government Notice


The Air Transport Licensing
under-mentioned application to operate

1. Name and Address of

2. Places between which
passengers and goods are
to be carried:

3. Places at which inter-
mediate landings are to
be made and the purposes
for which made:

4. Times or frequency of
the service:

5. Period for which the
Licence is applied for:

6. Latest date for making
representations or

Authority give notice that they have received the
a Scheduled Air Service:

British Overseas Airways Corporation
London Airport, Hunslow, Middlesex, England.


(a) For traffic purposes Port-of-Spain

(b) Weather alternate Port-of Spain.

Five flights weekly

19th June, 1969.

This Application will be considered by the Air Transport Licensing Authority in
accordance with the provisions of the Air Navigation (Licensing of Air Services) Regula-
tions, 1959. Any representations or objections with regard to this application must be
made in writing, stating the specific grounds on which they are based and any conditions
which it may be desired shall be attached to the licence, if granted. They should be ad-
dressed to the Secretary, Air Transport Licensing Authority, C/o Prime Minister's
Office, Government Headquarters, Bay Street, and a copy sent to the applicant at the same
time. Further details of the application may be obtained from the Secretary.

June 5, 1969

Government Notice


The Air Transport Licensing Authority give notice that they have received the
under-mentioned application to operate a Scheduled Air Service:

1. Name and Address of

2. Places between which
passengers and goods are
to be carried:

3. Places at which inter-
mediate landings are to
be made and the purposes
for which made:

4. Times or frequency of
the service:

5. Period for which the
Iicence is applied for:

6. Latest date for making
representations or

British Overseas Airways Corporation
London Airport, Hunslow, Middlesex, England.


(a) For traffic purposes Nil

(b) Weather alternate Port-of-Spain.

Eight flights weekly

19th June, 1969.

This Application will considered by the Air Transport Licensing Authority in
accordance with the provisions of the Air Navigation (Licensing of Air Services) Regula-
tions, 1959. Any representations or objections with regard to this application mustbe
made in writing, stating the specific grounds on which they are based and any conditions
which it may be desired shall be attached to the licence, if granted. They shouldbe ad-
dressed to the Secretary, Air Transport Licensing Authority, C/o Prime Minister's
Office, Government Headquarters, Bay Street, and a copy sent to the applicant at the same
time. Further details of the application may be obtained from the Secretary.


June 5, 1969

Government Notice


The Air Transport Licensing Authority give notice that they have received the
under-mentioned application to operate a Scheduled Air Service:

1. Name and Address of

2. Places between which
passengers and goods are
to be carried:

3. Places at which inter-
mediate landings are to
be made and the purposes
for which made:

4. Times or frequency of
the service:

5. Period for which the
Licence is applied for:

6. Latest date for making
representations or

British Overseas Airways Corporation
London Airport, Hunslow, Middlesex, England.


(a) For traffic purposes -
Port-of-Spain, Caracas
(b) Weather alternate Port-of-Spain

One flight weekly

19th June, 1969.

This Application will be considered by the Air Transport Licensing Authority in
accordance with the provisions of the Air Navigation (Licensing of Air Services) Regula -
tions, 1959. Any representations or objections with regard to this application must be
made in writing, stating the specific grounds on which they are based and any conditions
which it may be desired shall be attached to the licence, if granted. They should be ad-
dressed to the Secretary, Air Transport Licensing Authority, C/o Prime Minister's
Office, Government Headquarters, Bay Street, and a copy sent to the applicant at the same
time. Further details of the application may be obtained from the Secretary.

June 5, 1969


Government Notice


The examination of candidates for a licence to act as a Land Surveyor under
the Surveyors (Land) Act 1890 (1890-10) as amended, will be held in July, 1969.

2. Applications for permission to sit the examination must reach the Permanent
Secretary, Ministry of Home Affairs, before 14th June, 1969 and candidates must submit
with their applications the following documents -

(i) a certificate to the effect that the candidate has worked regularly and
continuously for not less than one year with a licensed Land Surveyor;
(ii) a Cambridge School Certificate or a General Certificate of Education or a
Certificate of such other examination of an equivalent or higher
standard as may be accepted by the examiners, or a certified copy of any
such Certificate;
(iii) testimonals of good character signed by not less than two well known and
responsible persons.

3. The minimum qualification is a pass in four subjects at Ordinary Level in the
General Certificate of Education or in a Certificate of another examination of
an equivalent or higher standard. The subjects passed must include Elemen-
tary Mathematics and English Language or English Literature.

4. No candidate will be allowed to sit the examination unless he has complied
with the above requirements.

5. A candidate who fails to comply with the requirement at sub-paragraph (i)
and (ii)of pragraph 2 shallnot be disallowed to sit for the examination if the candidate shall,
prior to the date of the examination -

(a) satisfy the Cabinet that he has had practical experience for a period of
not less than one year of land survey work;

(b) pass such examination as may be required by the Cabinet.

6. Every candidate whose entry for the examination is accepted shall, prior to
the date fixed for the examination, pay to the Accountant General a fee of forty dollars and
shall forward the receipt for such fee to the Permanent Secretary.

7. A copy of the Syllabus of the examination is available at the Ministry of
Home Affairs (Room 19).


June 5, 1969


PUBLIC NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that applications have been made
for the following Grants of Probate and Administration namely :-

PROBATE of the Will dated the 31st day of July, 1961, of CONSTANTIA AUGUSTA DAVIS
CRICHLOW, late of Brighton in the parish of Saint Michael in this Island who died
on the 2nd day of November, 1968, by PERCY MCDONALD CRICHLOW and ENA
MARGARET CARMICHAEL, the Executors named in the Will of the said deceased.

PROBATE of the Will dated the 20th day of September, 1959, of JAMES FITZGERALD
LEWIS, late of Newbury Village in the parish of Saint George in this Island who died
on the 2nd day of April, 1969, by AVIS REEFER, the sole Executrix named in the
Will of the said deceased.

PROBATE of the Will dated the 20th day of June, 1967, of AGNES EDITH GOODRIDGE, late
of Pleasant Vale in the parish of Saint Thomas in this Island who died on the 30th
the Executors named in the Will of the said deceased.

PROBATE of the Will dated the 8th day of May, 1963, of CHARLES HUDSON HAYNES, late
of Fontabelle in the parish of Saint Michael in this Island who died on the 13th day of
January, 1969, byREUBEN EYRE DANIEL and SHELIA JOYCE HAYNES, the Execu-
tors named in the Will of the said deceased.

PROBATE of the Will dated the 20th day of May, 1967, of HOLBORN RENOA--.BAILEY,
also known as HOLBOURNE BAILEY late of Dash Road, Lower Bank Hall in the par-
ish of Saint Michael in this Island who died on the 27th day of December, 1968, by
THETFORD WALTERS, the sole Executor named in the Will of the said deceased.

PROBATE of the Will dated the 28th day of October, 1960, of CECIL CLARENCE PORTER
late of Uplands in the parish of Saint John in this Island who died on the 24th day of
February, 1969, by PHYLLIS EILEEN PORTER, the sole Executrix named inthe
Will of the said deceased.

4th Avenue, New Orleans in the parish of Saint Michael in this Island who died on
the 31st day of August, 1967, by MARIE LOUISE MILLAR, widow of the said de-

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Road in the parish of Saint Michael in this Island who died on the 25th day of Decem-
ber, 1968, by IVA PHILLIPS, sister of the said deceased.

O'CONNER GITTENS late of Collymore Rock in the parish of Saint Michael in this
Island who died on the 13th day of August, 1967, by LINDSAY ERCELL RYEBURN
GILL, one of the constituted Attorneys on record in this Island of DOROTHY DRINAN
SPRINGER, the sole Executrix named in the Will of the said deceased.

EDWIN SEYMOUR LEWIS late of the parish of Saint Michael in this Island who died
on the 31st day of July, 1959, by NOEL GRAY WILKIE, the constituted Attorney on
record in this Island of MARJORIE ALWYN LEWIS, the sole Executrix named in the
Will of the said deceased.

UNLESS CAVEAT is lodged within fourteen days from the date of this Advertise-
ment with the Registrar of the Supreme Court through whom the abovenamed applications
have been made Probate and Administration will be granted accordingly.

Dated this 29th day of May, 1969.


Government Printing Office.


June 5, 1969







Thursday, 21st March, 1968.
The Senate met in the Sena:e Chamber, Public
Buildings at 1 o'clock p.m. today.


His Honour Senator E. S. ROBINSON, C. B.E.
(President); His Honour Senator C. Asquith PHILLIPS;
B.A., (Deputy President); Senator the Honourable
P. M. GREAVES, B.A., (Minister of Home Affairs);
Senator the Honourable F. G. SMITH, Q.C. (Attorney
General); Senator the Honourable L E. SANDIFORD,
M.A., (Minister of Education); Senator H. Odessa
GITTENS, M.R.S.H., (Parliamentary Secretary) Sena-
tor C. L. BRATHWAITE; Senator F. C. H. CAREW;
Senator S. V. ASHBY; Senator Dr. R. B. CADDLE,
B.Sc., M.B.B.S.; Senator P. G. MORGAN; Senator
F. L. WALCOTT, O.B.E.; SenatorM. A. KING; Sena-
tor H. F. ALKJNS; Senator D. A. WILES, C.M.G.,
O.B.E.; Senator W. W. BLACKMAN, M.B.E.; Sena-
tor S. A. BLANCHETTE; Senator Erma V. ROCK
and Senator R. G. MAPP.


Senator E. Lisle WARD

and Senator N. A.

Prayers were said.


Senator the Honourable P. M. Greaves, Minister
of Home Affairs and Leader of the Senate, laid the
following papers:-

1. The Second Annual Report and Statement of
Accounts of the Caribbean Broadcasting
Corporation for the period January -
December, 1965.

2. The Third Annual
Accounts of the
Corporation for
December, 1966.

Report and Statement of
Caribbean Broadcasting
the period January -

3. Financial Statements of the Barbados
General Agricultural Society for the year
ended 31st January, 1967.


The President called the firstOrder -A Resolu-
tion to place the sum of $614 at the disposal of the
Government to supplement the Estimates 1967-68
Part 1 Current as shown in the Supplementary
Estimates 1967-68 No. 63 which form the Schedule
to the Resolution.

Mr. President, The amount of $2,000 was included
in the 1968-67 Estimates under Head 38, Highways
and Transport, Item 59, to meet the cost of hire of
plant to the public. On the 10th. November 1967 ex-
penditure against the Item amounted to $1,668.80
leaving a balance of $331.40. Revenue under Item 21
amounted to $1,735.75 and it is anticipated that an
additional amount of $614 would be required under
Head 38, Item 9, to the end of the financial year.

I move, Sir, that the Resolution be concurred in.
Senator the Honourable L. E. Sandiford seconded
the motion.

The question was put to the Senate and agreed to.


The President called the secondOrder- AReso-
lution to place the sum of $820 at the disposal of the
Government to supplement the Estimates 1967-68
Part 1 Current as shown in the Supplementary Esti-
mates 1967-68 No. 64 which form the Schedule to the

Mr. President, Expenditure under this Item which it
is now proposed to supplement is now higher than
was anticipated. The amount voted in the 1967-68
Estimates was $5,500, and to the end of December
1967,$2,563.59 was spent leaving balance of $236.31.

This vote covers cost of electricity not only to
Government Headquarters but to the Town and Coun-
try Planning Office, the Government Printing Office
and the old building which now houses the Chief Train-
ing Officer, Controler of Supplies and the Visual
Aids Department.

The average rate of expenditure of this vote was
$526 a month. It is now estimated that the sum of

.$1,002 will be required to meet expenses for the
months of January and February and there is ai
amount of $236 in hand. It is therefore proposed
that this Item be supplemented by $820.

I move, Sir, that the Resolution be concurred in.

Senator the Honourable F. G. Smith seconded
the motion.

The question was put to the Senate and agreed to.


The President called the third Order A Reso-
lution to approve under Section 10 of the Barbados
Harbours Act, 1960, the expenditure required co sup-
plement the Estimates of the Port Department forthe
year 1967-68 as shown in the Schedule to the Resolu-

Mr. President, Under Section 10 of the Barbados
Harbour's Act 1960 the Legislature is required to
approve the supplementary Estimates of the Port.
The Estimates of the port department are framed on
a non-profit earning basis.

I am sorry Sir but I am dealing with the wrong
Resolution. There was no intention to mislead the
Senate. The Resolution that we are dealingwith seeks
a supplementary amount of $51,09. As the Addendum
explains an amount of $179,994 was provided under
Item 61 in the Estimates of 1966-67. Included was
$129,807 to meet the cost of two barges and buoy.
The barges were received on the 10th, December
1966 and the buoy on 20th January 1967 but the final
Bills were not received until 3rd, April 1967. Of the
total provision the sum of $71,280 was paid on account
of the purchases price of the barges and the buoy,
leaving a balance of $58,526 which lapsed at the end
of the financial year.

The cost of freight, inspection of the barges and
the Crown Agents charges totalled $122,348.88. The
amount paid was $71,280 leaving the amount due to
the Crown Agents at $51,068.88. This Resolution
seeks the supplementary amount therefore of $51,069.00.

I move, Sir, that the Resolution be concurredin.

Senator the Honourable L. E. Sandiford seconded
the motion.

The question was put and agreed to.

The President called the fourth Order- A Reso-
lution to approve under Section 10 of the Barbados
Harbours Act, 1960, the Annual Estimates of the Port
Department for the year 1968-69

Mr. President, Quite irrelevantly I referred to the

Harbour's Act under the last Resolution. Members
Will remember that the law has not changed since
I said that. It is required that we get the approval of
the Legislature of the Estimates of the PortDepart-

The Addendum clearly sets out the estimated
total revenue and expenditure and I move that the
Resolution be concurred in.

Senator the Honourable L. E. Sandiford seconded
the motion.

SENATOR F. L. WALCOTT: Mr. President, I
think that I should take this opportunity to deal with
some of the ignorance expressed publicly and in
high places about the operations of the Port.

There is a suggestion that since the construction
of the Deep Water Harbour the cost of living has gone
up as a result of some construction. That is so
much ignorance that I think that I should make the
position clear.

The Union which I represent has alotto do with
the Port. In fact we are currently having something
to do with it and there may be some inconvenience
to the public in the process of time; but that will take
its own course.

The point that should be made clear is that land-
ing charges in Barbados in 1961 were $6 a ton. It
should be made clear that these charges are some of
the lowest in the Caribbean. Landing charges in Trini-
dad are 51/6, in Guyanathey are higher, in Jamaica
they ; are higher. In all the Caribbean islands with
the exception of St. Lucia they are higher. Meanwhile
there has been an increase inthe tonnage landed. The
port started off with 152,000 tons in 1951, and last
year there was nearly 240,000 tons.

Anyone who takes the trouble tolookatthe Esti-
mates will see that the cost of imports is $102 mill-
lion while customs revenue is between $16 million
and $19 million. When you had distribution charges
of 30 per cent you will find that the total cost of im-
ports is approximately $132 million. When you take
that amount and see what this $6 a ton would repre-
sent you will realise that the cost of living rise is
microscopic, and you also see what the workers' posi-
tion will be in relation to the charge of $6 a ton.

I also want to make it know that on the docks to-
day you are employing one of the smallest labour forces
in the island 370 people. All these things must be
judged against the total operation of the docks.

I thought that it was quite fair to put on record
that I am impatient at the ignorance that is being sta-
ted in Barbados. I am not asking the newspapers to do
anything. Give them full freedom to ventilate their
ignorance so that the public will realise that it is
not the appropriate medium on which to expendtheir
money. Unfortunately the Government has to expend
a lot of money on them by way of advertisements
because the law demands it.


I find that the newspapers are not interested in,
the facts or the truth of these things. The facts and
the trath are not hot news items. However, I must
repeat that this idea that the cost of living has risen
as a result of the construction of the deep water
harbour is fallacious and untrue and not evenworthy
of an answer; but in the interest of commonsense I
thought that I should do it.

The question was put to the Senate and agreed to.

His Honour the President called the fifth Order
of the day. A Bill to grant a sum of money out of
the Consolidated Fund and to appropriate the same for
the year ending on the thirty-first day of March, one
thousand nine hundred and sixty-nine.
Mr. President, the Bill now before this Chamber is
seeking to endow Government with the authority to
take the sum of $42,565,429 out of the Consolidated
Fund and appropriate it to the benefit and the welfare
of the country during the financial year commencing
on the 1st April, 1968.
Sir, this is an annual exercise as laid down in
sections 108 and 109 of the Constitution as Honour-
able Members know so well. It is worthwhile repeat-
ing that this estimate of expenditure is not tied to the
budgetary proposals in the sense that the Ministerof
Finance has not laid down how it is proposed to raise
what funds are needed to be raised over and above
the estimated revenue. Later in the year the Honour-
able Minister will review the finances of the country
and disclose the measures that he proposes to take.

The draft copy of the Estimates has beencircu-
lated to Honourable Members and this shows that the
amount which is estimated to be spent during the
coming financial year is $56,120,465, this is now re-
vised to read $56,118,581. At this stage I think it is
better that the estimated expenditure as well as the
excess be given to the Senate; estimated expenditure
is $56,118,581, estimated excess of current expendi-
ture over current revenue is $5,161,750, and under
Part 11, Capital, estimated expenditure is $9,241,038.
This is as a result of certain amendments made in the
Other Place.

Section 109 of the Constitution states that that
part of the estimated expenditure which shows on the
statutory expenditure shall not be voted on by Parlia-
ment, but shall be paid out of the Consolidated Fund
without any further authority of Parliament. This is
the reason why for the estimated expenditure of $56
million the amount required to be appropriated is
$42,565,429. This represents anincrease of $476.194
over last year's appropriation. Of course this has
been supplemented from time to time during the cur-
rent financial year. The Heads that benefitfrom the
proposed increase are mainly Head 12, Charges of
Debt there is an increase of $462,691 Head 22,
External Affairs, Head 31, Ministry of Agriculture,
Head 32, Labour, Heads 34 and 35, Ministry of Com-
munications and Works, Head 38, Ministry of Educa-
tion, Head 39, Ecclesiastical, Heads 40 to 47, Min-
istry of Health and Community Development.

With respect to Head 12, the increase is as I
sa.d $462,691. The public debt has risen by about
$2.1 million during the current financial year, so the
whole of this amount was realized from loans and used
to finance capital development. This accounts for the
increase under this Head.

Under Head 22, the increase is $614,943 making
a total expenditure of $2,640,395. The allowances
paid to officers at overseas Missions are set out at
Appendix O of the draft Estimates. The expenditure
for the High Commission at London is estimated at
$314,858 as against $240,000 in 1967-68; the High
Commission at Ottawa at $220,460 as against
$214,000 for 1967-68; the United Nations concession
is estimated at $298,180 as compared with $205,000
for this financial year; the Mission in Washington is
estimated at $37,160 as against $52,500 for this finan-
cial year. The expenditure for the Consulate in New
York is estimated at $146,760 as against $133,000 for

But that is not the full picture because included
in the provision for overseas representationforthis
current financial year is the sum of $235,000 for
purposes set out at Appendix O of this year's draft
Estimates making a total of $1,300,000 for overseas
representation. Sir, a little computation will show
that the overall provision for such representation is
estimated at $1,017,418 forthe coming financial year.
However, Sir, it is proposedto establish aDiplomatic
Mission in Washington, estimated at $270,000 and
$400,000 is to be allocated for the purpose as shown
at Item 59 of this Head that is Head 22.

Sir, the main increases are in respect of the
Headquarters section and include an increase of
$160,000 for contribution to international organisa-
tions, due mainly to an increase in the rate of ex-
change after devaluation of the pound sterling, and
include as well an increase of $125,000 for contribu-
tions to regional organizations.

The increase of over $100,000 at Head 31 is due
principally to an inclusion at Item 31A of $51,758 to
provide wages for three Head Gardeners at Govern-
ment House, Culloden Farm and the Ministry of Com-
munications and Works. Under the Ministry of Agri-
culture, Labour and National Insurance there is an
increase of nearly $6,000 forthe purchase of animals;
that also contributes to the high increase over last
year's allocation. There is, too, a provision of $15,450
for the Central Agronomic Research Station and
$21,178 for the general repairs andimprovements at
various agricultural stations throughout the island.

It is proposed to increase Head 32 and provide
an additional $130,000 to meet expenses in respect
of emigration to Canada, United Kingdom and United
States of America.

The increase in Personal Emoluments under
Head 34 is very nearly $320,000 and there is an
increase of over $40,000 to meet increased costs of


materials for the maintenance of Parish Roads, and.
over $130,000 for general maintenance and upkeep
of Government buildings.

Under Head 38, Ministry of Education, the pro-
vision for the University of the West Indies is to be
increased by over $150,000 as Government's contri-
bution towards the running of the University, and
there is an increase of $200,000 in respect of Per-
sonal Emoluments under Head 38(5) Schools, and
over $115,000 to expand the School Meals Service
to include the parishes of St. Peter, St. Thomas and
St. Philip.

The Ecclesiastical Head has a net increase of
$114,451. The total in respect of the AnglicanChurch
was estimated during this financial year at $132,549
and for 1968-69 it is a block vote of $248,000 which
is in fact an instalment by way of financing for the
disestablishment of the Anglican Church. This accounts
for the large increase under Head 39.

Under the Ministry of Health and Community
Development, it is worthwhile noting, Sir, that we
propose to provide $15,000 to be used for the purpose
of assisting various sports organizations to finance
their tours, but this will be under the control of the
Cabinet, and I want to say here I think that the various
sports organizations who send teams abroad and re-
quest the Government's aid should take more posi-
tive effort to have more fund raising drives in order
to help themselves andnotwait until the event is upon
them then to appeal to Government. Governmentwill
have at that stage to ask whatefforts are being made
in their own interest. From the notes to the Heads of
the Capital Estimates Senators will realise that the
various items are for the most part revotes in order
to complete projects for which money has already
been voted. The reason is that the new development
plan is now in preparation and will be presented to
Parliament in due course. There is, however, an
amount of $50,000 under Item 10 of Head 105 for
contributions to Mortgage Finance Agency.

Sir, the Colonial Development Corporation has
agreed with Government to invest the sum of $5.2
million towards the development of the Cave Hill
Project and middle income housing generallUy. Gov-
ernment proposes to put in half a million dollars
into the company over a ten year period which will
be Government's contribution as equity; this is for
the purpose of providing middle income housing.

These are the main increases in the Capital Esti-
mates. According to the projections the revenue for
1968-69 is estimated at $50,956,831, the estimate of
expenditure is $56,118,581 leaving a deficit on expen-
diture over revenue of $5,161,750. This must not alarm
us unduly the .deficit during the current financial year-
was estimated at $6,578,566 which has turned into
a good surplus an estimated surplus of over $1
million the estimated revenue for 1967-68 was
$43,181,651. That has very recently been revised
to a figure exceeding $51 million.
When the Government in power took up office in
-1961 expenditure stood at $27 million and revenue

at $26,200,000; six years later, the estimatedexpen-
diture and revenue have been virtually doubled, and
as a result very careful planningwill have to be done.
There has been a tremendous economic growth and
development; by way of comparison, therevenue of this
country grew from $20,600,000 in 1957 to $26,200,000
in 1962, and from there to over $50 million in 1968.
So, Mr. President, we can face the future with confi-
dence and assurance.

Before I move the second reading of this Bill,
there are a number of amendments whichwere made
in the Other Place, and I shall read them out for the
guidance of Honourable Senators. There are as


Head 6 Legal.

Page 12 Delete item 8, Administrative Assistant
and the provision of $5,145.. Amend
Total Personal Emoluments by substi-
tuting "$156,263" for "$161,408."

Pate 13 -

Amend Total Personal Emoluments,
Total Recurrent and Total Statutory
Expenditure by substituting "$156,236"
for "$161,408."

Amend Total Legal by substituting
"$163,887" for "$169,032".

Amend Net Increase by substituting
"$60,669" for "$65,814".

Head 33 Min!.stry of Education (5) Schools

Page 117 Delete the note to "item 11 Main-
tenance of Buildings".

Amend the note to "item 15 School
meals Service" by the substitution of
the words "of expansion in the parishes
of" for the words "in expanding" in
the last line.


General Control of Expenditure by Ministries

Page 182 Amend "Head 103" by substituting
"$1,493,891" for "$1,485,891".

Amend "Head 106 (11) Seawell Airport
by substituting "$316,124" for"$297,124".

Substitute "$2,198,324" and"$9,341,038'.
for "$1,048,624" and "$8,183,338" re-

Summary of Expenditure

Page 183 Amend "item 104, Education" by sub-
stituting "$1,493,891" for "$1,485,891".

Amend "item. 106 (i) Development and
Industry" by substituting "$1,876,200"
for "$745,500".

Amend "item 106 (ii) Seawell Airport by
substituting "$316,124'for "$297,124".

Amend "total of Estimates 1968-69" by
substituting "$9,341,038 for "$8,183,338".

Head 101 Agriculture

Page 184 Delete "$50" appearing under Revised
Estimated Expenditure 1967-68 against,
"Small Holder's Irrigation".

Amend the note to item 3, Markets Im-
provements and Construction by sub-
stituting the words, "for new markets
and", for the words, "markets" in the
first line.

Amend the note to "item 5 Animal
Nutrition Unit", by substituting "$26,560"
for "$36,945" in the last line.

Head 104 Education.

Page 188 Amend the note to item4 New Secon-
dary Comprehensive Schools, by the sub-
stitution of the following: -

"4. New Comprehensive School ($38,517).
To complete E1lerslie andto start New
School at St. George. A token provision
of $5,000 is included."

Amend item 5 Extensions to Secondary
Comprehensive Schools, by substituting
the amount of"$120,000" for the amount
of "$112,000" appearing under the column,
Estimates 1968-69.

Amend note by the addition of the words
"Increase to meet increased costs".

Amend the note to "item 7 Technical In-
stitute" by substituting the following
words, "new technical institution" for
"New Technical Institute on site to be

Head 106 Office of the Prime Minister.

(i) Development and Industry
Page 190 Insert new "item 3 -Hilton Hotel", and
provide an amount of "$1,130,700",
with the note, "To carry out necessary
works, and make final payments".

Amend "Total Development and Industry
by substituting "$1,876,200" for
"$745,500" appearing under column,
Estimates 1968-69.

(ii) Seawell Airport
Page 191 Amend "item 5, Taxiway" by substitu-

ting "$120,000" for "$101,000" and
inserting "$135.828" in column, Pro-
vision in Supplementary Estimates for
1967-68, and substituting "$697,650"
for "$713,450" in column, RevisedEs-
timated Expenditure 1967-68.

Amend Total Seawell Airport by substi-
tuting "$316,124 for "$297,124",
"$259,451" for "$123,623" and
"$1,793,794" for "$1,096,144".

Amend note to "item 5" by adding
"$118,000" after "Revote".

SENATOR F. L. WALCOTT: Mr. President, -
What I have to say on the Estimates will be brief.
There are one or two things that I want to draw to
the Minister's attention. I am glad that the Minister
of Education is in his place so that I can ask him a
few questions about his ministry.

I am very interested in what that Ministry is do-
ing, but I am a little bit at a loss to know what is the
Government's intention about a matter of which the
former Minister of Education spoke followed by the
Prime Minister.

About three years ago both of these Ministers
said that it was the intention of the Government to
establish a Labour College. I have not seen it men-
tioned n any Development Plan or in the Estimates.
What is the position with that? Is it that they regard
it as so insignificant that they have made no provi-
sion for it?

All the modern countries of the world are making
a contribution to labour and management training
and not allowing it to run on a haphazard basis. I do
not say that because of my position in the Barbados
Workers Union but as a citizen of Barbados. Jamaica
has a Labour Institute and Trinidad has the Cipriani
Labour Institute. I feel that now the lead has been
given this Government should be able to do some-
thing about it.

Another question that Iwould like to ask the Min-
ister about is the Olympic Committee. How do you
qualify for a Government subvention? I was looking
through the Estimates and I see organisationswlhich
get subventions, like the Salvation Army. What must
you do to qualify?

The Barbados Workers Union does not want to
be one of the organizations qualifying for a subven-
tion because we would like to establish our indepen-
dence, but what I would like to know is this: We cele-
brated a quarter century of life and we spent over
$100,000. We considered that we would not embarrass
the Government by asking for a subvention; but inter-
national organizations took part in the celebrations
an international organisation that represents 60
million would not have thought it necessary to come
to Barbados were it not for those celebrations. Now
that we are looking to the European Tourist Trade we
did a lot of advertisement for the Government, adver-


tisement that the Government would have had to pay
for. I want to know if a thing like that could qualify
us for a subvention without our losing our indepen-
dence. We have seen the Government making sub-
ventions to other organizations.

I do not know that the West Indies Cricket Board
is a charitable organisation. I understand that they
came off with something like E 30,000 profit in
England. We do not come off with any profit; we dis-
pense charity but we are not a charitable organisation
jin that sense.

Another organisation was having a conference
and the Government bought translation equipment.
We are not begging alms; but our Silver Anniversary
celebrations coincidedwith the Government's cele-
brations of the first year of Independence.

The other point that I would like to draw to the
Minister's attention is that while it is not my busi-
ness to regulate Government ministries, the Min-
ister spoke about the Labour Department going to
a new site. I am very pleased to hear that because
I have had more dealings with the Labour Depart-
ment than any othermemberof this Chamber, and the
present site is totally unsuitable.

Mr. President, I hope that in future the Gov-
ernment will undertake when purchasing buildings
to take a good look at these places. This building has
no kind of anterooms for conferences. In some ways
it is not as bad as the description which Senator
Phillips gave of the Courts; but it is running very
close to the Courts; but I look at Labour matters
as more modern than the Law. You can see that
the Law is associated with ancient customs even
as regards the buildings.

I want to sound a word of warning to the Minis-
ter. I do not want it to appear that I am too critical
of the Ministry of Labour, but you can run into dif-
ficulties. I have said it in another place some years
ago when you had the new arrangement for the Min-
istry of Education. You had Education tacked on to
the Premier's wing. There is a tendency to regard
ministries as if they are something personal for a
particular Minister. You have a Minister who won
a Barbados Scholarship and therefore he should
know something about Education that is the kind
of tendency.

It does not matter what the Ministry is. It is the
same kind of policy that you are enunciating. It is
from the practical side, the administrative side that
difficulties arise. I cannot see, sir, the relationship
between the Ministry of Agriculture in our context
where Agriculture is the very centre of the economy
it seems to me that the Ministry of Agriculture
should be tacked on to the Ministry of Labour and
National Insurance, instead of the Ministry of Labour
being tacked on to the Ministry of Trade. I cannot un-
derstand that division.

All over the world Agriculture and Fisheries
seem to go in the same context to each other. They

fit together easily. I would suggest to the Prime
Minister to give some consideration to the fact that
the Minister of Laborur I am not saying this based
on any recent happenings should be the Minister
whose work it is to stimulate andget as many people
into the labour force as he possibly can.

To ask a man to be Minister of Agriculture and
Labour is asking him to have his mind working back-
ward and forward. You are asking that Agriculture be
done efficiently and without redundant labour and on
the other hand you are looking for labour to sent to
the U. S. A. and Canada.

If you have Social Services associated with the
Ministry of Labour then the Ministry of Labour would
not have to work with matters so alien to labour and
there will be no conflicts.

Local Government should be more properly de-
signated to the Ministry of Home Affairs than to the
Ministry of Health. The present division seems pecu-
liar. I think that Local Government should be attached
to the Ministry of Home Affairs because it is really
at home.

On the expenditure side, I am little bit worried
when I see the number of people inthe Labour Depart-
ment. In the Estimates there are 47, but in truth and
in fact there are 70. What I am worried about is that
there is the post of Chief Labour Officer and Deputy
Chief Labour Officer, and for the lastfive years they
have not been able to produce a Chief Labour Officer.
That should soon be examined.

I do not think that the public of Barbados is paying
enough attention to what is goingon or taking place in
these islands. Before the Antigua situation, right from
Jamaica there have been a series of labour disloca-
tions. Yet, we are lacking in the type of labour chief
that we should have and that can make it extremely
difficult to save a situation from getting out of hand.

I am worried about that because in this island
there is more subversion at the level of labour than
what many people think but the way in which the Labour
Department is staffed can sometimes cause a lot of
embarrassment. That has not been caused because the
workers Organisation is strong. If itwereweakthere
could be a lotofembrassmentbecause there is sub-
version at the level of labour.

In this island, apart from the difficulties we have
seen in the Sugar Industry recently, there is subver-
sion at the level of labour, andthatis the reason why
you have so many cane-fires that have depleted to
some extent the economy of the island. There is sub-
version. A couple of weeks ago Dr. Jagan arrived in
this country and saw his cronies.

When you have a department that is not staffed
adequately, and subversion breaks out into the open
you will find yourself in difficulty. You may say ap-
point a certain man because he has been acting for
two or three years, but this department is extremely
weak, and from the position that we have reached it

is not consonant vith the state of Independence. The
workers' and employers organisation axe now strong-
er than the Department of Labour. People do notwant
to deal with the Lilliputians. Itis time that the Gov-
ernment look at this matter as one of direct policy
and see that it is at the root of something that can be
extremely serious.

The Public Service Commission cannot keep their
ears open to the subversion that is taking place in the
Civil Service. I am not speaking against the staff as
persons, but from point of view of the whole position
of the Department. I am worried to know that if to-
morrow a serious industrial dislocation takes place
the two Governments that have been in power in Bar-
bados since we had Ministerial Governmenthave not
been able to look after the Department of Labour
properly. It has been looked at as a glorified Immi-
gration Department. It is a department to deal with
people who want to go to Canada or Britain to work
with the L. T. S. That is very good work, but if it
comes to a serious industrial dislocation in Barba-
dos the department cannot handle it.

Within the last five years the department has not
been able to deal with the situation in Barbados in the
mannerinwhich it should be dealt with. People have
not been recruited to the department with a back
ground of industrial training and a knowledge of labour
and management relations. It has been staffed by
Civil Servants who want to improve their position in
the Public Service, but whose services are likely to
be more useful in other departments of the Civil
Service than in the labour Department.

I repeat, that this is not a criticism of persons.
We cannot be eminently suitable for all types of
employment. That is not our fault: I do not think that
I could be a referee. Iwould have to get into the affray.
I am not the person making peace. If I were a judge
I would seewhois rightearlyandI would be very im-
patient with the side that is keeping me back. I could
not be a judge. I prefer tobe an advocate on one side
or the other. On the otherhand, there are some peo-
ple born to be judges.

I want to repeat Sirthat Iamnotopposedto per-
sons. There is no enmity nor anomosity in what I
have said; but there are too many things with which I
am familiar. I hope that the minister will take the
points that I have made and consider them in relation
to the Ministry of Labour notwithstanding any statement
that I have made in another capacity. It has no rela-
tion to that; but what I see is that if there is a con-
flict of interest between industry and labour there
could be difficulty. I cannot see the Ministry of Agri-
culture, now that agriculture is going through avery
important phase in relation to our economy being at
the same time the Ministry of Labour. Itwould seem
to me that the two ministers should be two persons
with clear cut policies of their own.

The Minister of Trade has to look for invest-
ments. Recently there has been criticism about adver-
tising cheap labour. I know that some three years

ago an advertisement like that was diseminated in
Canada and was brought to the attention of the Deve-
logment Board. They said that they would withdraw
I hope the Minister would take these things and
consider them; as I said, if the Junior College that
Swas promised by the former Minister of Education
and the Prime Minister himself, speaking at a clos-
ing session of one of the Trade Union meetings and
I would like to know what the Minister is doing about
industrial relations because I am sure that you will
agree that management therein should not be lost
sight of.
I am very pleased to hear about the Labour De-
partment, but I hops that apart from moving the phy-
sical side of it that something will be done about
staffing. Staffing is very essential, and I am afraid
that if we are not careful some of these things will
get out of hand and I hope itwill be staffed with peo-
ple who can command the respect that the officers
SENATOR H. F. ALKINS: Mr. President, as the
last speaker has said, one way of dealing with this
Appropriation Bill before us would be to take each
individual Head and comment on it, but that would
be boring and I do not propose to do that. I propose
to limit myself to a few observations and to seek
some information which is lacking from these pages
before us.

We are concerned today mainly with the expen-
diture for the forthcoming financial year. As far as
the revenue is concerned, the figures before us are
based, of course, on the assumption that things re-
main as before; the whole situation couldbe comple-
ly changed if and when the budget is presented, and
consequently any observations at this stage wouldbe
rather premature, so our comments and observa-
tions would have to be devoted more to the expen-
diture side than to the revenue side at this stage.

On the expenditure side, roughly just under 50
percent is devoted to personal Emoluments; there is
not much you can say about that, because these figures
are fixed by law and have to be paid, all we can do
is to express the hope that we are going to get value
for our money. I think itwouldbe generally conceded
today that we are not getting tle efficiency, the speed
and performance that we would expect from the expen-
diture of so much money, and there would be also
general agreement on the statement made by the last
speaker, namely that in many of the Ministries we
may have numbers but we lack quality, and I would
just like to make this comment on what the previous
speaker has said. He has made a comment about a
Ministry with which he in his official capacity has to
deal and he has expressedwhat to me is a very serious
point of view. He has said that there is not the quality
staffing in that Ministry to deal with the situation; if
the machinery is so faulty, Ithinkitis something the
Government should look into immediately. It is avery
serious situation and one presumes that the last
speaker is speakingwith afull sense of responsibility,
and what he says needs attention.

I would like to support him in this, that it is a
very sad state of affairs when it canbe said that the
quality in the Ministry of Labour is not such as to be
able to deal adequately with circumstances which may
arise. One can only hope that these circumstances
do not arise until this situation is remedied.

Speaking of the Government Service, again I think
that one of the directions in which there is much to
be desired is on the accounting side. Now I am not
- saying this is any reflection on the Ministries be-
cause these Ministries have had theirworkandtheir
scope'enormously enlarged within a short space of
time, and the procedures, personnel and equipment
i" the various Ministries are not such as would take
care of the operations they have to do. I think anef-
fort should be made to examine all these Ministries
very carefully, particularly their accounting sides,
and in the business sector we have found it neces-
sary to go into mechanisation for payrolls, pay
sheets and accounts generally, and I think the Gov-
ernment could well follow suit. The situation, how-
ever, should be investigated and wherever it is pos-
sible to speed up and to acquire greater efficiency
by means of mechanisation, I think this should be

It does not necessarily imply replacement of
existing personnel, but certainly it would imply, I
hope, making the existing personnel more efficient.
I accordingly commend that to the Government.

I am, and always have been, particularly inter-
ested in Education and consequently whenever I get
the Estimates I look there almost first, and I combed
through the whole of the Education estimates to see
what provision has been made for the muchtalked of
Community College, and the much talked of Trades
Training Centre. Unless my eyes deceive me, no pro-
vision whatsoever has been made inthese estimates
for these two important establishments of education.
I say unless my eyes deceive me because I really
cannot find it. I was made to understand that itwas
proposed to establish the Trades Training Centre on
the old University site on the Deep Water Harbour or
somewhere along there, but this is a very important
project and I was hoping that something would have
been included in the estimates to show that plans
in that direction would be proceeded with.

The proposed Community College has received
a lot of attention in recent months, and there have
been questions and questions and I was led to think
that this college would be operating from September
this year, consequently I would have expected it as
a matter of course to be included in the estimates for
this financial year, so I must ask the question whether
the project has been abandonedorwhetherit has been
found that it is not possible to bring it into being in
this financial year, or whether it will be brought in
another financialyear. It is amatterof great interest
to the public.
This is not the time nor the place to enter into
the "to be or not to be" question of sixth forms, but
a lot of people are interested in this project and

would like to see what the Government's proposals
are, they are particularly interested in the propo-
sals for staffing this college, terms and conditions
of pay for the proposed staff, where is the staff to
come from, things of that nature, and it is therefore
very striking that nothing at all has found its way
into these estimates to cover this particular pro-
ject. I know I may be told to wait, perhaps in a few
months, I think it is very wrong to bring before us
something which should be a budget of expenditure
for a whole year and leave outessential things which
are going to be expensive, and then bring them in as
time goes on. It shows a lack of planning; perhaps I
am jumping the gun, but I do not see why it should not
be in the estimates presented at the beginning of the
financial year.

Another thing that puzzled me- this may be due
to my own failing in trying to keepabreastof things
I see Evening Institute and then Adult Education
on page 109. I wonder if the Minister in replying
would tell us the difference between Adult Education
and the Evening Institute; it seems to me that if you
are going to run two things that are both connected
with adult education you could incorporate the work
of the two. Why have two heads, two sets of admin-
istration if the two are in fact the same thing? As
I say, there might be quite a simple explanation to

Another question that I had intended raisingwas
this question of the Mortgage Finance Agency, but
the Minister who introduced the estimates gave me
a full answer to that, so I would not repeat it.

On page 6 under Legislature we see forReport-
ing approximately the sum of $34,000, an increase on
$22,000 which was voted last year. The notes are not
sufficiently informative, I wonder if this means that
recommendations submitted by the Debates Commit-
tee have been accepted, it is not quite clear from the
notes whether this is so, but it might be interesting
if we could be told that.

Now I see there is still provision for the Local
Government Commissioner to be kept on the Civil
List. What is happening about Local Government? Time
is getting away; we were told it was proposed to do
this and that and this would be done within a matter of
months. Nothing has happened so far. Is it proposed
to go this whole year just as we have done in the past
year? What is happening about that? We would like to
know, and this same sort of query ariseswith things
like the Agricultural Development Corporation and
the various quasi Government bodies, we never hear
anything about them. Only today we agreed with the
Report of the Caribbean Broadcasting Corporation
to the end of December 1966, that was completely
useless because the whole situation may be com-
pletely changed in the last year. If you are going to
bring reports a year and two years old, it seems to
me a waste of time; I see no reason why these reports
should not be submitted more promptly, one cannot
discuss their affairs intelligently if one does not know
what the situation is.

As I saidthose are some of the points that occur-
red to me. There are otherpoints, butI am sure that
there are other people who are more interested in
this or that aspect to ask these questions, so I will
close at this stage.

SENATOR D. A. WILES: Mr. President, like
Senator Alkins I would just pick out one or two points
that occurred to me. One that strikes me is under
Waterworks where expenditure increases by over
$30,000. I believe it is true to say that we are using
close on 16 million gallons of water perday and this
seems to be a very heavy drainonthe island's water
resources. It does strike me that we are going ahead
exploiting our underground resources and not taking
the reasonablehprecautions to see that this water is
put to proper uses and the majority of it is not wasted.

I say this occurs to me because at the moment
the regulations which provide for the water rates of
the island make no provision for a rate to be charged
for domestic supply by meter. In short, if a house-
holder wishes to have his house metered and not
many would do this he will pay 800 for one thousand
gallons, although he will only pay very much less -
484 per thousand gallons for his garden supply.
The result is that there are very few householders
indeed who would dare to ask to have their water

I think it costs something in the region of 400
per thousand gallons to distribute our water supply.
I was wondering if some serious consideration could
not be given to amending these regulations to intro-
duce a domestic rate at say 500 a thousand gallons
for metered water. I put this out because it is obvious
that if water is not metered the householder will not
be very careful about it. The sweet drink factories
pay the same as any householder for the normal
domestic uses and it has been estimated that if the
time comes when it is decided to meter our water
supply we may save between 6 and 8 million gallons
of water per day.

What we are talking about is one of the island's
most precious resources, pure water, and if this
water becomes saline it takes a very long time for
the fresh water to push the salt where it belongs.
Every year we come down for increases and we are
building more houses, there are now about 61,000
houses on the island, more and more people wish to
have water in their homes, the Housing Authority is
putting in water in all the houses they are building,
water is being used on the urban development scheme
at Cave Hill, and I do feel that this needs some im-
mediate attention.

I am very pleased to see that in the Capital Es-
timates under the Ministry of Home Affairs, Item 3,
there has been a revote for Beach Control and Deve-
lopment. I would suggest, however, to the Honourable
Minister that the note might be checked because I do
not think it is quite accurate, but I cannot help stres-
sing that I was very pleased to hear him say that the
remainder of the unspent portion was shifted to this

year, and when the physical development plan is pub-
lished Government will be coming down to implement
these provisions.

I do not mean to labour the urgent need for us to
protect our beaches, but I remember in the Virgin
Islands at a conference I had the honour of attending
on behalf of the Government that I heard one of them
say "we regard every grain of white sand as a dollar
bill; it is up to us to see that it is properly cared for."
Our Tourist trade is $31 million a year at present,
we hope it goes up much more than this and we should
be doing everything we can to protect it.

One last point, I think I am right in saying that
the estimates provide some $2 million in grants to
our Government aided secondary schools, and I am
at the moment a little unclear as towhat is the posi-
tion with the sixth forms for those secondary schools.
I did not have the honour of attending the Speech Day
at Harrison College when the Minister made public
statement and we only had to depend on the press
reports, but I think that this is a matter of great
public concern and if the Minister would enlighten us
in this regard, we would be most grateful.

SENATOR R. G. MAPP: Mr. President, I am
very sorry I was not here from the beginning to listen
to the Minister's introduction. He said that in 1961
just before this Government took over, the revenue
was $27 million and the expenditure was $26,200,000
and today those figures were doubled as the result
of careful planning and economic growth. Maybe he is
right, maybe there has been careful planning, although
on some occasions he admits that there has not been
careful planning, he is entitled to his decision, if on
the foundation that was so carefully laid down by the
previous Government, an economic infrastructure
was well planned and laid by the previous Govern-
ment, if on that foundation this Government could
not do even as well as it has, then it would be a dis-

Windfall one year, now this is to have good rain-
fall. Careful planning by the present entrepreneurs,
capitalists, lack of industrial disputes until the major
one this year which for a time seemed to threaten
the economy of this island; thanks to these peculiar
circumstances for which this Government can take
very little credit, the economy has grown, the re-
venue has also grown, Bridgetownis tottering econo-
mically, the budget is now due, the taxation policy
this year will be increased tremendously, but what
does it indicate? A mere putting together of figures.
We do not have to be economists to know that we have
seen in this island taxation rise year after year and
it mainly falls on the people in this island who have
to live on the small incomes.

The economy of this island is no more safe, no
more assured than it was in 1961; in fact, it is far
more so because unlike 1961 we are independent, and
unlike 1961 we are face to face withworld conditions
which are very very depressing. It is very depressing,
so depressing that last year this Government failed

to raise aloanthatit: went everywhere for. In these
circumstances I can see nothing at all to be compla-
cent about, or to gloat about. Until this Government
has carried out a radical change in economy and we
can no longer say thatwe depend on sugar and tourism,
government has no wisdom looking complacent and

When there was political campaigning everything
was to be free. Housing was to be free and school
meals were to be free. The Chairman of the Housing
Authority seems to be very happy and unconcerned,
but the point is that people were told that Housing
was to be free and today they are finding themselves
in the Law Courts.

What these economic leaders of the Government
say on platforms and what they do is sometimes op-
posing. Sometimes they tell us that we have to face
facts and come down to brass tacks, but at other times
they tell us that everything will be free.

There is not much that we can really say on the
estimates. Last year was the first year of Indepen-
dence and some of us were particularly alarmed about
the manner in which the estimates were being rushed
especially the head dealing with Foreign Affairs.
Last year we spent an inordinately long time con-
sidering these estimates. It is difficult underthe pre-
sent conditions to pay attention to the estimates
because we are so lacking in a really broad picture
of the economic state of the island and we are faced
with the fact that it will be in June when we are pre-
sented the Budget. The least that we can do is to
comment, as members have done, in certain heads
and attempt to chew up whatwe considerto be a lack
of policy on the part of the Government.

When we compare these estimates with the past
there is one thing quite clear about them, and that is
that the Capital Estimates every year indicate that
something is radically wrong. Last year I called at-
tention to it. Last year we were faced with a tremen-
dous number of revotes. Something is wrong. Either
there is bad estimating or a pushing up of Capital
Estimates during election year or for some reason
or the other this Government could not carry out
the various schemes that were budgeted for.

Whichever way you look at it, it adds up to the
fact that at present it is taking place at a time when
the population is increasing and there is need for more
and more employment especially inview of the closing
of the doors by Great Britain, and there is need for
capital schemes of social priority. This year there
are more realistic than last year. Theyestimate to
spend eight million one hundred and eighty three thou-
sand, three hundred and thirty eight dollars. That is
more realistic although I would win the bet that this
year although they get over the $6 million that they
spent last year they will be happy.
One is worried about the $5 milliondeficit. Last
year the estimate of the deficit fell far short, and they
will collect even more this year and it will come off
the backs of the poor of this community. Every time

you buy goods from the U. S. or Canada you pay
increased customs duty and will be paying even more
due to devaluation because the cost of goods will in-
crease and in fact the full effects of devaluation have
not yet been felt. The world situation is such that we
do not know what will happen tomorrow.

When we have these protections we canverywell
see that what happens and the actual state of affairs
at the end of the financial year is very much different
from what is told to Parliament when the estimates
are being considered. We do not knowwhatis coming
out of all this, but all we know is that they will still
end with a $5 million surplus instead of $5 million
deficit. I hope that we do not see the Government
coming down in June and increasing taxation and
telling us that they have $5 million deficit. We have
reached the end of our tether where the ability of the
people to bear more taxation is concerned.

After all sir, when they came into powerin 1961
we heard that there was no needto build up these re-
serves. Now look at the position. They reduced it to
$2 million. The next year it was $3 million. Now
it is $2,102,231. The Government has sudden-
ly got wise. They cannot expect to raise loans, and
when the investors ask what is the position of the
island, let me see what money you have in reserve
tell them that you are healthy with $2 million in the
general reserve. The Government suddenly gotwise
to the fact that they were barking upthe wrong tree.
They were saying that the past Government saved all
the money. Now they are saving it.

They come down with these predictions of what
they will spend and every year they spend about half.
Last year the general revenue was $12 million and
I have no doubt that next year it will be $14 million.

Do not come down andtellus thatwe have to bear
more taxation because we have a deficit andthen end
up with a surplus as you did last year. Their philoso-
phy seems to be not to let the money stand in the
pockets of the people; let it stand in the Treasury.
Do not let them indulge in this subterfuge every year
and hope that they will get away with it.

Senator Walcott spoke about subversion. There
will be no subversion if there is no element to work
on. The Communist Party is established allover the
world. It is established in Great Britain, but that
country is not unduly afraid. Americahas taken some
stringent measures but I am not sure what Senator
Walcott is advising that this Government should do
about it. I myself feel that the best answer to sub-
versive elements is to bolster the financial posi-
tion of the ordinary man and give him a stake in the
country. The peasant was at one time the buffer be-
tween the few who had much and the many who had
nothing but they themselves are now going through
very strenuous circumstances.

The Government has bought over one thousand
seven hundred acres of land. Ask them what new
schemes they have set up. Noteventhe scheme which
we started at Seawell on a trial basis is left. The Su-

*gar Industry is still being worked on the old planta-
tion economy. There are. no co-operatives on a big
scale to allow a sharing of profits, nothing at all,
and there is this talk about subversive elements in
the community.

We have had cane-fires all the years. Now we
hear about subversive elements. Let the members of
this Government be careful and act with truewisdom
now. We have this situation all over the world. It
has got to be faced upto. The wise man watches other
people, sees the mistakes they have made and avoids
them. We have an Independent Barbados. Let us look
at these things and act seriously and in accordance
with our so-called socialist conclusions.

To return to some of the figures I was dealing
with, I was saying thatwe shouldn't only be realistic
but. be straight forward. Let us not project a state
of affairs or project an image which is not there at
all. Another thing with regard to the over-estimation
of the Capital Estimates is this: Ifeelthat one of the
things which put a spanner in the works so to speak
is the fact that the Government is finding it difficult
either to retain certain technical staff orto get them
at all. The Government must ask itself what is the
reason. I do not know if Senators feel that they should
take an adjournment at this stage.

Mr. PRESIDENT: The senator may proceed.

SENATOR R. G. MAPP: Manyof the technicalex-
perts especially in the Works Departments are fed
up with the stifling atmosphere which they meet in
this Island. They are not sticking it. It is easy to say
that they. are attracted by bigger salaries else-
where. That may be part of the answer but it is not
the whole truth. We know, sir, that recently admin-
istrative arrangements had been altered in these
ministries, especially the Ministry of Communica-
tions and Works and the Ministry of Agriculture.
I have reason to believe that these new arrange-
ments have not always led to the kind of co-
operation and spirit thatwe want to see in Government
especially at that level.

We have a case where a very good officer, one
who is held in high opinion among the planters of this
island the Chief Agricultural Officer is about to
leave and take up another post.

I understand that he was offered this post some-
time ago and turned it down and now he is looking at
it again. The Government should not assume that of-
ficers are leaving because of more attractive salaries.
I think that they should look a little below the surface.
I am not saying that the new system is entirely at
fault. It may be a case of individuals rubbingeach
other the wrong way.

It may be that you cannot expect everyminister
to be an experienced administrator. It may be a lack
of experience. I believe that the position has been
reached where you will find that a particular minis-
try is very ham-strung if the Government is not
careful. I have been hearing rumours to the effect

that there may be mass resignations. We are all citi-
zens of Barbados, and we would not like to see Bar-
bados suffer. While I am here in opposition to the
Government, and find fault with what they do or fail
to do, yet we believe in the democratic form of Gov-
ernment and if that Party goes out we want to see
our Party come in.

We think it is our duty to warn the Government
about some of these personnel problems. Already our
agriculture is suffering from the lack of personnel.
That has been pointed out on many occasions in this
island. I feel it is rather sad where you have Barba-
dians worth their salt, and who are looked upon
highly by planters who because of their practical ex-
perience can be very critical it is rather tragic to
see Barbadian officers of high calibre cannot be re-
tained by the Government. I throw it out to the Gov-
ernment that it goes beyond considerations of salary
and it goes beyond a particular department.

The whole capital, the entire Development Plan
hinges on the availability of skilled people, and I
think that the time has come when the Government
should look at this matter in a serious way. It is not
a Government matter; it is a matter for the entire
island. At one time it was said that we should have
a Commission of Inquiry on education. Thatwas turn-
ed down. I will come to that headlater. The Minister
of Education has been pretty silent in here, and I
think it is time that he said something. I will add
my voice to what members on this side have said. Do
not let the Government feel that they alone know every-
thing. There are people in this community willing to
give their advice and put theirheads together in ar-
riving at a solution of these problems. This is a
matter of administration. It may be a left-wing Gov-
ernment or a right-wing Government or the Opposi-
tion. The point is that these are administrative prob-
lems which cut across the concepts of political policy.

I feel that it is time for the Government to con-
sider these matters seriously. We have heard Dr.
Caddie draw attention to problems at the hospital
and the Health Department. We have heard several
appeals to the Government to set up a Hospital Board.
Nothing is done, and things are going from bad to

Senator Walcott is an expert on labourmatters;
time after time he has talked about these things, he
asked what has happened about the labour college.
Now, Sir, as I said, we have all these broad matters,
you cannot continue to do the same thing year after
year, that monstrosity to the topof Broad Street that
is taking three times as long to build as it was esti-
mated it would take, we know that there have been
changes upon changes of personnel, something is
wrong and the Government cannot hope to carry on
in this way.

Education. In a press Release it was stated that
sixth forms will be abolished in the schools,the next
day the Minister of Education comes out at a Speech
Day and says that he does not mean to abolish them.
We do not know what he means, especially here in

the Senate, because we cannot hear from him. I throw
out the challenge, Iwant him to say something because
the public is waiting to hear exactly what he means.
The whole point is this, that we are going on with
this and again people who know, as well as the Min-
ister, that even his officials in his own Ministry
like the idea of the community college and abolish-
ing the sixth forms. This is the time to have a Com-
mission draw on the areas of wisdom, learning
and experience in this island of these matters and
do not simply feel that you are the Lord Gods who
know it all. You find, Sir, that these things will go
on and the Government is going to collapse.

I throw out the warning as acitizenof Barbados,
not even as a member of the Opposition because the
women can be very worried at what seems at times
to be no plans at all; if this is any indication of good
planning, the future must be terrible indeed. I have
only touched lightly on certain Heads, and there are
a few more that I really wanted to get after the Min-
ister of Education, because it would be interesting to
hear his reply to certain Senators, but there is a
Senator who was an old schoolmaster who would call
on the Minister.

At this time I would like to make an apology for
the absence of my colleague who talked to me this
morning and I could not hearhimverywell. It simply
means that he is really ill and Le cannot come out
today, but I regret his absence because I had intend-
ed moving a reduction of $1 in the External Affairs
vote. Internal affairs need some attention too.

Do you wish to adjourn for a few minutes? With
the Government's permission......

Mr. President, I move that we adjourn for half an

I beg to second that.

The question was put to the Senate and agreed to.


Mr. PRESIDENT: When we adjourned Senator
Mapp was addressing the Senate.

SENATOR R. G. MAPP: Sir, as I said when we
were about to adjourn I wanted to make a few com-
ments on the Head, External Affairs. I think it is time
that the island as a whole take a serious view of the
way foreign affairs policy and matters have been
conducted. Sir, we have a democratic traditionwhich
we should struggle to preserve at all costs, and now
that we are independent and conduct our ownforeign
affairs, we should realise that foreign affairs is not
the sole concern of one person or even of one body, it
is the concern of all sections of the community, and
the views of the Opposition and minority parties
should be taken into consideration. I hold that it is not
being fair that those views are not being taken into
consideration today.

In Jamaica we see on various issues connected
with foreign affairs the Prime Minister of that coun-
try confers with the Leader of the Opposition. I
understand that they have joint meetings with respect
to certain foreign affairs matters. In Trinidad there
was a joint committee set up on foreign affairs be-
tween the Government and the Opposition; recently
when the Opposition was not attending Parliament
the committee went into abeyance, but I see the Lead-
er of the Opposition has tabled a resolution that the
committee should now again function. It is a standing
committee; apparently it had ceased to function and
he is asking now that the Opposition attend the meetings.
In Guyana I cannot speak authoritively of the Oppo-
sition there, it may be different. Even if it were dif-
ferent it is not sufficient for Barbados not to follow
what is accepted practice.

It should not be the exclusive practice of one per-
son or one party, I say one person because from the
statements I have seen from time to time about
Rhodesia and other places, the foreign policy of this
Government is being -conductedby the Prime Minis-
ter alone. When the Prime Minister says that we
should or should not use force in Rhodesia, that is
taken to be the policy of the island as a whole. I can
only come to the conclusion that that is the foreign
policy of Barbados. This speaks clearly for itself.
For reasons of, discipline they do not bring it out in
the open, some of them may not reason as Mr. George
Brown did in England, but I can only say that it seems
to me the accepted policy of a Government, but in
reality it is dictated on the part of the Prime Minister.
That is not good enough.

A committee should be set up here it is a good
thing to follow as some form of consultation between
Government and the Opposition so far as certain
things are concerned, because after all,yourforeign
policy and your relationships with other countries is
a serious matter and should concern the community
as a whole. We have the classic case of OAS, up to
now we have never debated it seriously. I know an
attempt was made at one time in reply to a speech
from the Throne it was debated in the Other Chamber,
but there are a lot of things which should be saidwhich
were not said. We maybethe subject of armed inter-
vention, we were told that in one case; on the other
hand that was denied, but it was not even denied in
the Chamber it was denied outside the Chamber.
Those things are not good enough, we as Members
of Parliament should know officially what the posi-
tion is, what we are going into, what are our com-
mitments, not only financial commitments, but de-
mands of any sort, and the benefits we should receive..
I am afraid that these things are very amusing; a lot
of us feel that fools rush in where angels fear to
tread, but that has nothingto dowiththe very atmos-
phere of conducting these responsibilities,we should
aim at a national atmosphere, let us put aside our
differences, do not let us say that you were opposed
to going it alone, and you were opposed to indepen-
dence, let us have an atmosphere in matters of this
sort where we go forward as anationand not go for-
ward as a group at war. No one is saying that every-

body would agree on this, we know that in the United
States of America today the Democratic Party is split
on Vietnam, the whole country for that matter.

We know that Senator Kennedy those of us who
have seen him regularly in the Sunday Times will
agree that he has put forward statesmanlike andvery
bold views on Vietnam andwhat shouldbe done. There
are many people who disagree with him, they may be
divided on it, and I am not saying that mere consulta-
tion alone would mean that all of us would view things
the same way. The point is that in any democracy,
even though you may have disagreements in the same
party you should have some agreement as far as
foreign affairs is concerned. This Government, the
Prime Minister is responsible for foreign affairs
and is obviously determined not to consult the Op-
position. One man cannot be right all the time, and
certainly cannot be right when he tells you today there
should be no force in Rhodesia and then tomorrow
he says that he told the Prime Minister of Britain
a long time ago that he shoulduse force in Rhodesia.

I want to stay within your good graces, Sir, and
I would not even refer to those personal comments,
but it is difficult because so long as foreign affairs
is conducted in that manner it is very difficult not
to have to comment in this way. If is far better if we
knew that some kind of second policy, some kind of
consultation has been going on to conduct this thing
in the right way. The cost of External Affairs now, as
we predicted long ago, is nearer the $3 million than
the $500,000 that was foretold some years ago, it is
jumping up and up.

I see an item "Foreign Service Allowance" and
it refers us to Appendix O. We know the word allow-
ance is an organisational term and advantage can be
taken of the most far-seeing Government andwe know
that there are some gentlemen who are very luxurious,
they like a lot of luxury and must have always the
best, we know that and in one or two cases they are
not even Barbadians. I know that I am going to be
told I understand that some others were told that
it is very strange we talk about non-Barbadians get-
ting so much. That is not the point, the point is if we
are going to share joint serviceswith another coun-
try, weiwant to be sure that we are not being led up
the garden path, and that we are really sharing in an
equitable and fair manner, and from the figures that
have been produced it seems thatwe had better go our
own way in some of these things, because we are
gaining nothing by sharing.

In Appendix 0 we see House Allowance for High
Commissioner, Permanent Representative, free fur-
nished house, overseas allowance 75% of basic salary
and what not, but we do not know, I cannot find, I was
looking to find what part of that house is fully fur-
nished, what share of that Barbados is paying as com-
pared with Guyana, and then what part of the total is
Barbados paying as comparedwith Guyana. The same
thing obtains for the Permanent Representative. In
other words, we want to know how itworks, out, what

shares of these burdens do we have to bear, do we
have to bear more than Guyana? There is no point
sharing if we are paying more than we should, it is
better to go your own way. It is a lot of money.

On page 50 we see that the total recurrent is
$2,610,395. That does not mean thatwe would not see
a couple of supplementaries coming down later on
as usually happens. It is very easy for these allow-
ances to get out of hand; every Government knows
that, and every Government now is feeling the pinch
of the shoe especially with regard to the cost of ex-
ternal affairs. One of the reasons why they are being
now driven forcibly to coming together the littleway
that they are coming together, trying to start off at
the economic level and they are talking about sharing
joint services and so on, is because they have found
out that these are burdens and they can mount up at a
very fast rate. It is true that devaluation has added to
the costs in Canada and America, but if you examine
what is going on in London, Ithink the figures there,
compared with what is going on in Canada this may
seem a small point but if you are independent and
you have to treat somebody's national better than your
own, I do not see the benefits, you could as well do
not share. I am sorry, the Minister might have ex-
plained that, I do not know if he mentioned anything
about it. I do not know if he mentioned if we are get-
ting anything of OAS, not that that is any primary
consideration, there are other very important consi-
derations, but I am not going over that, I will leave
that to the Senator on my immediate right who I ex-
pect to take every opportunity to deal with a matter
on which he has strong convictions and feeling, so
I will be relieved of that burden and listen to him, and
I hope he will second the dollar reduction.

Now, Sir, I need hardly say that the concern of
of this Senate, a lot of us are concerned about the
effects of rising taxation, and the concern of this
Senate, one of the main concerns when it comes
to budgetary matters as has already been stated
in here, that you have as efficient a spending as
possible. Last year I warned when it came to a
certain Head, I issued a warning that the Hilton Hotel
had cost far more than it should and expressed alarm
at the gross expenditure and so far as I am concerned,
I feel that this Government sooner or laterwill have
to consider whether they will hold on to this or let
it go. I believe that Senator Ashby rose violently to
the defence and even foretold that this year things
will be much brighter and instead of having a net
loss we would look forward to a net profit.

I cannot see it. Last year was bad enough and this
year is farworse. This is the position that you get be-
cause the figures are not accurate. Whenthey are chal-
lenged you do not get a reply and you have to come later


and search for them orwaituntilthey drop out casu-
ally from the mouth of someone in the Other Place.
All of us felt pleased to hear that this year the posi-
tion would be better. Interest lastyearwas$661,355.
A lot of us felt relieved bythe assurance that we re-
ceived; but far from the interest being $661,355 we
are paying $9,927,000, which is more than million
dollars more. I would really like to hear what the
Minister has to say on this. By nextyear you will be
down by $387,000. Where are we?

I think that this Government will have to reach
the same decision as the Trinidad Government and
get rid of the Hilton. We have been told that its con-
tribution to tourism will be great; that it will bring in
a lot of tourists. You had better lose $1 million in
capital than to go on losing on the Hilton every year
at this rate. In three years you will lose $11 million
at this rate.

Hilton International has nothing to lose. They
do not pay income tax on it; but it is this Government
and the public of this island that are losing revenue.
I remember that when the buses were losing money
and running at a loss there was a lot of advice that
Government had better get rid of them and all that
kind of thing. We were told to sell out to private
owners etc. The main reason for holding on to the
buses was that it is a public service and it can serve
the public far better under Government control than
under private control.

But, Mr. President, in this particular case of
the Hilton, it is now a differentmatteraltogether. At
this rate, where the Hilton is concerned$297,000 can
do a lot of things that the people of this island need -
even Housing. The Housing Authority is in need of
more money. They collect from the people and they
go and sue the people. I understand that Senator
Braithwaite has had to face trying times. He was told
to go and get some money. That was from the poorer

One point that I have not made is that the poorer
classes are not being subsidised but subsidisation
seems to only apply to the Hilton which should be a
purely commercial transaction. If it is not so, let
it go to private enterprise. Sell it out at a capital loss
rather than lose more. Of course, I know this is a
Government venture and that they will hesitate to ad-
mit that so far it looks like a loss.

I now turn to Housing Head45, I am glad that
the Minister said that C. D. &W. is again interested
in the scheme in Cave Hill to assist with middle-
class housing. Some time ago I told this Senate that
as far as I know C. D. & W. had expressed interest
in this sort in 1960. I expressed the opinion that that
interest would lapse because of the length of time that
it had taken to go forward with this project.

I am glad to hear that they are now interested in
giving financial assistance with this matter. The Cave
Hill scheme is a joint project as they did not conceive
it, but the present Government is going ahead with
it and the unfortunate thing about the delay is that

during the time prices have increased and therefore
the money that will be coming in now will not do as
much as it could have done five years ago.

I believe that something went wrong with the
planning, because I was told by a certain member
that we would soon see an advertisement calling for
tenders. I never saw it. Somewhere along the line
it seems that things were said which did not go

I do not think that Senator Carew was the then
Chairman. That was before his time. If they have got
to the stage where the Government is willing to put
up a certain amount which has been decided on, surely
you must have more details. Maybe the Government
will soon make a statement but I think that in the pre-
sentation of the estimates it is time to give us more

It is true that the Development Plan will be
coming down soon and maybe these figures will appear in
that. It will be interesting to see what lenght of time
they are budgeting for, and over what period it will
be to complete these houses. You cannot judge the
extent to which this scheme will correct the problem
with both middle-class and lower income groups and
meet the need for housing of these types unless you
know over what period of time this plan will go.

At one time I saw a statement in which some
period of ten to fifteen years was projected. It looked
to me an inordinately long time. I do not know if the
Government is aware that the demand for that type
of housing is very severe. Any person today adver-
tising a house for rent, whether it is $40, $50, or$80
a month.......

Mr. PRESIDENT: What is that to do with the Cave
Hill scheme? What are we discussing?

SENATOR R. G. MAPP: We are discussing Hous-
ing. Let us take the capitalestimates. I suppose that
you will allow me to speak not only under the Head of
Housing, but also under the Urban Development Cor-
poration. I have said already that I hope that the Min-
ister will give us some details.

As far as Housing is concerned I would take a long
time to deal with the Housing Authority, but there is
just one thing I would like to say although the Chair-
man of the Housing Authority is not in his seat. The
Housing Authority, sir, is in a very bad way. The
staff there is discontented. People who are working
there in certain offices are talkinginterms of looking
for other jobs.

I know that it will take us a long time but it will
be dealt with elsewhere. We know that a recent ap-
pointment was a political appointment, the appoint-
ment of a person who holds a high office in a ma-
jority party. Up to now, sir, no one can say in
accordance with all the rules and regulations of the
Civil Service. All the answer we have had is an at-
tempt to tell us what qualifications he has. Apart from
saying that he did some work somewhere in Ohio -

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(ASIDE:) He got an open scholarship. (Iwas at school
with him.) We are talking about Housing. He may
have gone to Oxford University. The fact is that there
are exhibiting ways of filling certain posts. I believe
that the Civil Service Association has been takingup
this matter with the Government because prior to 1961
officers of a certain calibre in the Housing Authority
had to be appointed on the advice of the Civil Ser-
vice Association. Since 1961 that advice hadnotbeen

(Asides) I cannot followthese sotto voce remarks.
It is not a question of politicians running the Housing
Authority. It is a question of standards, and I cannot
see why standards should drop.

I do not know if you are adopting the American
system. It obtains also in South American Republics
and in other parts of the world where we know that
you get all kinds of corruption. If the Minister wants
to boast about that let him do that. He had better
stick to the class-room. If by becoming Independent
you are not going to follow certain principles you had
better remain colonial.

Then you will hear that the Civil Service are up
against you. It is only human nature. I am glad to see
that the Chairman of the Housing Authority isnow in
his seat and is listening to me. I am sure that he will
be pleased to enlighten us of what is going on.

I will say it openly now. I say that an appointment
made, was a purely political appointment, and the
gentleman is now drawing over $400 a month in a post
not advertised for. Do you mean that you are looking
for no one else who went to Harrison's College and
got an Open Scholarship? No one can find out what
this officer does except to go to the Democratic
Labour Party Headquarters and conduct Press Con-
ferences, No one can find out what his duties are.

I understand that the post was advertised since
1962. Suddenly in 1967 it is discoveredthatthis officer
alone is the most qualified to fill this post. The time
will come when the report of the Housing Authority
will be discussed and a lot more things will be said
by me.

Sir, I am not saying everything now, but there
is a lot that I could say and it would be in the interest
of the Housing Authority. This is not politics. I do
not want to trouble or upset a department simply for
the sake of politics; but that department is upset
already and unless these things are saidmatterswill
get a lot worse.

We have responsible senators here, and I am
tempted to say these things because I want to see if
they will get up from their seats and tell us some-
thing about the department. Do not only sit there
and say nothing and enjoy all this debate about things

Let us come to this specific point. Why is it that
people who want to pay money on behalf of the Hous-
ing Authority cannot get the van? Who uses the van?

They have to go to the bank and are frightened. The
van, I am sorry to say is neveron the premises. Can
the Chairman tell us who uses the van so much?

Mr. PRESIDENT: Is the senator saying by im-
plication that the Chairman uses the van?

SENATOR R. G. MAPP: No Sir. I am not for one
moment suggesting that the Chairman would do that.
I think that even if the Chairman is seen in the van on
many occasions he is on legitimate business. I want
to know if the virile Chairman who is here there and
everywhere knows that it is being used at times when
people who want to use it cannot get it.

There is a lot more, but I am reminded that the
time is nearly up and we do not want to over do it.

Sir, there is very little more I will say. What
has happened in this island is that there are so many
things that bodies like this should get a chance to
debate and you do not get an opportunity to do so. I
am sure you will admit that there are certain depart-
ments that I have beenvery concernedwith for a long
time simply because I had no information about them,
and I felt I would touch upon them today.

I hope that when the budget comes you will not
find that like the budget for this year this body will
have no say whatsoever. I hope some means will be
found whereby we can at least have some meausre of
debate. What is the use of being part and parcel if you
cannot comment on the budget? I think it is a serious
state of affairs, I really cannot understand it.

We are told that we are independent, but I would
like to know that we are independently handling our
affairs and that everybody, all members of this inde-
pendent Parliament will have some say in the running
of these affairs and the financial administration of
the island.

SENATOR P. G. MORGAN: Mr. President, unlike
Senator Mapp I have one Head and one Item to refer
to, and that is Head48, Item28. Honourable Members
would note that there is going to be a decrease in the
present estimates of the Barbados Tourist Board of
$72,654. I am not speaking simply as Chairman of
the Tourist Board nor on behalf of the industry, nor
am I speaking as a person personally engaged in the
industry, but rather because I honestly and sincerely
believe that this matter of the tourist industry is far
too :important for all of us in Barbados for these things
to come upwithout some mention of the circumstances
being made.

The tourist industry is prospering at the moment,
but we are facing a tremendous competition all around
the world and particularly in the main market of
North America, and to a lesser extent, Europe. The
fact of the matter is that had the Minister found it
possible to make a subventionto the Barbados Tour-
ist Board at exactly the same figure for the com-
ing financial year as during the present financial
year, and had there be no devaluation of the pound

.sterling, the amount of money which the Government.
is making payable to the Tourist Boardwould still not
go as far in the coming year as it has gone in the
present year. The reason for this is that salaries and
such things increase all the time and many other costs
involved in the promotion of the industry increase
from year to year over which we have no control,
such things as advertising, booth space and production
costs in the United States of America and Canada.

There is a 5% increase every yearin the adver-
tising; this means that if we have $100 to spend on
advertising, the same amount would not go as far
next year, but we have to face these things like de-
valuation and all the activities of the Barbados Tourist
Board and Development in North America in par-
ticular all these activities are increasing, things are
going to cost more, salaries of the people there and
production costs will go upby 15%1, and there are many
other costs that will go up as well. We do pay costs
of travel and maintaining people on tour, paying hotel
accommodation and such things, and so we have
therefore the situation that not only would a similar
figure as this year not go as far, but we are even
worse off than we have been. On top of that we find that
the subventions have been cut by quite a substantial

Why I am speaking on this is that I want to make
it clear that tourism is not something that will con-
tinue to grow automatically, it has to be fostered,
it has to be financed and we are faced with tremen-
dous competition that will make it die if we are not
careful. Here we have the situation where it is the one
industry which is both bringing in more revenue for the
island and creating more jobs at the same time than
any other section of the community. I look forward
to the continued efforts of the Development Board
which has been so successful already in bringing
more industries to the island, and I hope they will
continue and keep pace with the tourist industry. I
sometimes think that we under-estimate the value
of this industry; I am quite convinced of the value
of the tourist industry in Barbados. The revenue
from the tourist industry was certainly no less than
$40 million. I do not think for a moment that that
money comes in and just stays here; obviously some
goes out, purchase of equipment, food, etc., and there
are two most important facets of it; one, which the
Government must have in order to have all the won-
derful things, including social services and such
items, and the money has to come from somewhere,
and I am suggesting the tourist industry. There is
also the problem of young people who are leaving
school, there is nothing more to give these children
the best possible education, free if necessary, that
they could possibly have, and at the same time there
can be no worse situation than to have to find those
leaving school and having no jobs to go to, and I
suggest that on future occasions the tourist industry
must be looked upon much more seriously as an
investment for the country.

We talk in this Senate about the large jets which
come to the island, and as travelling becomes faster
and cheaper, people will go further for the same

amount of money. I will say on behalf of the industry
and the Tourist Board and the people who work there
that we shall continue to do our utmost to make sure
that this industry does work to the benefit of all the
island, and we shall continue to make a better job of

SENATOR W. W. BLACKMAN: Mr. President, I
have not much to say because the points that I intend-
ed raising have been eloquently raised by the Hon-
ourable Senator Alkins and Senator Wiles, but there
are still two points on which I would like to make
comments. First of all, I was pleased to see that the
grant for education has been increased to $915,000,
$300,000 of which is for personal emoluments; I am
glad to see that the personal emoluments are increase -
ing and would throw the hint to the Government that
they will have to increase year by year to keep the

Ten years ago on the platform of Wesley Hall
Junior School I presided at meeting and at that time
I gave a warning that if they did not take proper no-
tice of education then they would reap the result.
Today I am sorry to say I would have been glad if
I had been proved a false prophet, but anyone in the
Government today can say that education is not what
it used to be. Teachers in this community are doing
good work, but you cannot make bricks without straw.
Last year I asked the questionif the Honourable Min-
ister responsible for education at that time could
say out of the 200 teachers who were inducted each
year in July and August, how many of those were in
the schools, and I am sure you will find that the
percentage of those teachers is very small, because
teachers come into the service, they look around,
they see conditions are quite different from what
they expected and they leave.

While on this point, I am pleased to see that
the Minister of Education has made an appeal in the
right quarters, that parents and those responsible
for children should try to work in harmony with
teachers and give the teachers their utmost support.
I have had the opportunity some time ago of meeting
young teachers and every one of them you ask why
they are leaving the service they say conditions are
not good enough, therefore they must go. I pointed out
to them that conditions in the service are far better
today than what they usedto be, but they only listened
to me and then they said that they do not care how
good they are now, they are leaving the Teaching
Service because they do not like the conditions.

Teaching is the hardest task today in this coun-
try, and if you want our young teachers to come in
and make a career of it you have to view it in a dif-
ferent light. Why teachers are so disgusted, if you
look at Head 38 (5) Item 3, that alone will tell the
tale, you will see especially the Unestablished Staff,
Supernumerary Staff, 430 teachers last year, this
year, and the same thing every year. When you look
through these items you will see the reason for
increased expenditure, increased through popula-
tion, and yet year after year we find the establish-
ment of teachers remaining the same with the result

that those teachers do not have a sense of security
and whatever chances they get they are leaving and
we just losingthe teachers. You cannot make teacher
in three years, you cannot afford to let teachers come
into the service give them an induction course, and
after a year or two, orevenafterthey go to Erdiston
College where you spend money on them, and then let
them leave the service.

When we heard so much about this sixth form
college I said in this room that if you were to take
the results of the examinations during the past year
you will see that they do not have the quality to put
in a sixth form college. We cannot put up with that.
To be a qualified as ateacheryouused to be required
to have five subjects, now four; I suppose they will
soon talk about three subjects on a certificate. In
1961 the then Salaries Commissioner criticised the
idea of having one-thirdofyourwork force as tem-
porary officers at that time, it. is still the same
today. It may be a quarter or it may be a little less
because next year they are increasing the establish-
ment by 150 teachers, but since 1962 nothing has been
done to the establishment so far as teachers are con-
cerned, and yet year by year the various items are
being increased; we hear that they will increase the
school population, but yet the establishment remains
the same, I do not know what is preventing the Gov-
ernment from increasing the establishment.

Another thing is we hear about the sixth form
college, we hear about this community college, then
it is a junior college. What it is we do not know, but
what we want in this country is a clear-cut policy on
education. The Minister and his officers should sit
down he, of course, is not responsible for policy -
and give us a clear-cut policy that any man could
read and see what we are doing for this $13 million.
We get the Minister going here saying something,
going another place and contradicting himself, and
nobody can really understand what he is saying about
this sixth form college. It is alright forthe Minister
to go around talking, but this is $13 million we are
spending. We have at Erdiston a nursery school;
where does that fit in with the new scheme? The policy
will tell us. We have our primary schools, 7-11, then
we have comprehensive schools since 1948 orthere-
abouts. If the Minister of Education thinks that this
is the kind of free secondary education for all, is not
it possible that by now we should have the whole of
Barbados, the children of the 11 plus up to 16 being
taught in these schools? We only have sevenof these
schools,five in St. Michael, one in St. Philip and one
in St. Joseph. I see we are now going to build a com-
prehensive school in St. George. We want grammar
school for girls in St. George; we want them to re-
main just where they are and get theireducation, we
do not want a comprehensive school there, we want
a secondary grammar school. Do something and let
our children be taught.

We are talking about a junior college which is no
priority; what is a priority is education forthe chil-
dren between the ages of 14 and 16, an all-age pai-
mary school. A child's name must be removed from
the register at the age of 14; when the child goes to

the comprehensive school and he is not inthe A class,
kt 15 he has to leave that school, and so we have a
large group of children walking around, they have
nothing with which to occupy their minds and they
become delinquents.

Three or four years ago we sent off a report
about trade schools. We would have thought that by
now that report would have been implemented forthe
children between the ages of 16 and 17. We cannot
get a mason, we cannot get a carpenter we can
get a painter because paint is easy to put on. We
want a trade school in which the children between
13 and 16 will go and learn trades.

Now we come to this sixth form policy. The
whole of Barbados is very much concerned about this
and they have every reason to be concerned. We talk
about colonialism or colonial days; I am one of those
who do not understand what you mean by colonial days,
but we have reaped a heritage from those days that
we should be proud of. I cannot understand the people
who talk about colonial days in one breath and then
criticise the traditions that we keep in the other.
What have we got from those colonial people? We
have got the pageantry of the opening of our House
of Assembly; I do notthinkthat we want to have the
House of Assembly just like that, that people can go
and sit down, they must have a Marshal and those
things, and yet they want to throw the old traditions
by the board. I do not see the reason.

We have had a tradition of our sixth forms at
Harrison College, Lodge School and Queen's College.
Those sixth forms have served us in the past; look
through the Service and see what those sixth forms
have done for this country, and not only forthis coun-
try but for the whole of the West Indies. These are
not for average people of average ability, the com-
munity college is for the average people. The sixth
form is for those people from whom you must draw
Ambassadors and those people. I cannot understand
the Minister of Education trying to scrap the sixth
form at Harrison College; there is no exclusive class
at Harrison College today, you will find boys from
the poorest homes in that sixth form because they have
the ability.

Mr. President, what I would say is this, that I
hops the Minister of Education does not use this com-
munity as a toy.

I have one more remarkto make. It is making an
appeal to those concernedwhen it comesto the average
contractor who supplies furniture for these schools.
There are very humble people. Ihave been told on the
highest authority that the price paid today is a little
better than 10 or 15 years ago inspite of the increase
in the cost of material.

When the Government is giving out a big contract
it generally calls foriabour scales. Would appeal to
the Government to let the department go into the prices
whichthese contractors get and see if they can really
make a livelihood from the prices they receive.


I would like to call on the Pine Hill Dairy or
whether it is calledto give us bettermilk and cheaper
milk. The Government has shares in the Pine Hill
Dairy. Sometime ago when a big debate came up about
this dairy we heard that the Government is concerned
about it. I would like to know if the Government is
putting shares into a company which, the most it is
doing at present is importing milk from Belgium for
sale to the public of Barbados.

I also want to know, like Senator Alkins, what is
the Government's intention about Local Government. A
year ago, just around this time we were led to under-
stand that the Government at the earliest opportunity
would do something. I am anxious to lkew what is
being done because people are working with a sense
of frustration. From J954 some of these people do
not know what they are doing. All that they are doing
is acting and acting without being appointed. Again
these people were badly paid in the past and in spite
of increases some time ago they are living on star-
vation wages. This is Barbados. This is anIndepen-
dent country where people are asked to rise above
other countries.

Last week we saw where a young woman was
offering her child to anyone who would take it and look
after it and care it. It is alright for those who are
working for $1,000 a month to laugh at people. They do
not need to think of people at the bottom. There are
a lot more like her living on starvationwages. When
the crop is over, what do the people in these areas work
for? I must thankyou, Mr. President, for the opportu-
nity to dwell on these things.

In making my contribution to the debate on these
estimates I would like to start off by congratulating
the Government on putting before us a very com-
prehensive report, and to congratulate them on having
achieved what they set out to do.

A year ago the estimates as we looked at them
were relatively high and no one could truly say what
would happen. Today they come before us having met
the commitments of $1 million over what they set out
to achieve.

I also want to congratulate the Civil Servants of
this island and indeed everyone who has helped to
contribute to our revenue and to our expenditure
during the past year. I was looking back 10 years
ago when the estimated expenditure was in the na-
ture of $20 million. Today it is reaching this figure
of $56 million. This shows the healthy and sound
upward trend in our community and I think that our
leaders should be complimented for having brought
this island along this way.

This may lead us to become very optimistic and
I feel that it is necessary that word of caution should
be given. Looking at the estimated figure of $6
million, I see that 42% is for personal emoluments.
It cannot be denied that from time to time we have
heard drastic criticisms of the wastage of labour,
and while in this present age we may be, as some

would say, living in the times of fat and plenty, there
may come a time when we will have to approach
the lean times.

We should not allow the revenue of our country
to be frittered away. All of us as we drive along the
highway see some of our labouring classes idling on
their jobs. I think that it is incumbent not only on the
Government but on everyone of us in a young nation
such as this to realise that we can only go forward
if we put our shoulders to the plough and give an honest
day's work for a fair day's wage.

I say that because some of the leading nations
today are suffering very seriously because their cost
of production is soaringwhile their rate of production
is lowering. This must obviously lead to one result. In
a young nation like ours, if we are not capable we will
fall into this pitfall.

Looking at these estimates, I see that our capi-
tal expenditure keeps soaring and I notice that our
public debt is now estimated at eighty million seven
hundred and forty eight thousand dollars. This goes
up from year to year, and it is only natural that as
you advance you will incur more debt; but when the
debt is incured one must consider that the day must
necessarily come when it has to be repaid.

We have been extremely fortunate in recent years
that we have not been faced with any catastrophe,
and one would hope that if that day dawns we will not
have to go cap in hand asking someone to give us the
necessary money to balance our budget.

While I say that our Government has done anex-
tremely good job, and that our leaders have lived up
to what they had promised, I am not for one moment
saying that I cannot find faults in these estimates. We
may take them one by one and see a series of things to
whichwe can refer. However, the Government has pro-
duced these estimates and it is for them to see that
the money is forthcoming.

Some senators who are more .qualified than I am
have spoken about Education. I can only say that it
seems to me that our young people are more educa-
ted than the old ones. They are asking questions at an
early age that the older ones cannot answer. I notice
that more and more skills are being asked for and I
would like to see more attention given to the technical
school because when all is said and done there are a
large number of young people coming up andwe can-
not always fit them for white-collar jobs. If we as a
young nation are to go forwardwe have to go forward
by producing and not just warming a seat every day.
I would like to see greater consideration given to
technical education which it appears, does not seem
to have received in the past.

SENATOR S. V. ASHBY: Mr. President, -- I am
sorry that there is still this feeling that certain things
must be run by certain people or everything will go
wrong. We have heard today that the Hilton should
never have been built. It has operated for its first 12
months and now we are hearing that we should sell

*it. In other words, the Government should not be con-
nected with commerce and industry and the taxpayers'
money invested in a business in which other people
have an interest.

A year ago in March when I spoke of the
prospects of the Hilton I did say that with the present
rate of occupancy being about 9 per cent, I believed
that if that rate continued, there was every reason
to believe, in fact there was every reason why the
hotel should make a profit in its first year.

Unfortunately, sir, the success of any hotel in
any one year depends on the summer trade. They all
make money in the first few months. On the other
hand, there is no hotel in any part of the world that
has ever made money in its first year. In fact I have
said that this hotel was the exception.

The fact is that inthe first yearyou have a num-
ber of expenses over and above operating charges that
will not occur every year. It is therefore in my
opinion unfair to suggest that because it shows a defi-
cit the Government should sell the hotel. That is in
my opinion a very shortsighted suggestion to make
about a business organisation which I am perfectly
sure will turn out to be avery profitable investment.

I am not aware that the Government borrowed
money to finance the Hilton. Like inevery other com-
mercial concern interest charge is a charge against
the undertaking; and the $294,000 here in the Esti-
mates does not mean that the Government is out of
pocket. It means the operation after allowing for

SENATOR R. G. MAPP: Onapointof order. Does
the member mean that it is just a book entry?

SENATOR S. V. ASHBY: I am not aware that the
Government borrowed money to finance the hotel. I
said that the charge is made against the operation.
Do not let us forget that as against this $294,000
320 jobs and at least 600 indirect jobs are being pro-
vided by the Hilton. So we are talking about 900 jobs
for $294,000.

I was in sympathy with Senator Morgan about the
reduction of the grant to the Tourist Board; but here
again the Hilton is making a contribution to the
Tourist Industry. They have a campaign throughout
their chain of hotels.

Speaking, sir, of the Development Board, I will
deal with the increase in these Estimates. I would
first like to comment on the ugly image which cer-
tain people in Barbados are trying to project. You
hear all sorts of slurs, and you would not think that
this Board is important to the economy of the coun-

You hear that the Government is allowing in a lot
of second rate business men, and you also hear it
said that we are selling cheap labour. Senator Walcott
referred to an advertisement which appeared about
ttee years ago in a Canadiannewspaper inwhich the

words "cheap labour" were used. We had that adver-
tisement corrected. Thatwas done by avery ambitious
advertising agency which is no longer with us.
Let us face the fact that there is competition for
labour all over the world. Part of our programme is
to offer labour costs at competitive rates. Ourlabour
costs are either competitive orthey are not. It is un-
fortunate that the words "cheap labour" were used;
but cheap labour is something that is comparative.
There are some islands in the Caribbean where la-
bour is cheaper than in Barbados, and in Barbados
labour is cheap compared with the U. S. A. and

The people who are saying these things would
employ someone at $10 a week or $8 a week if they
could. Provided that they are granted a monopoly,
the average industrialist is inclined to relate his
prices to the price existing on the market and not
necessarily to a price relating to his cost of produc-

That is something that bothers me. Youget indus-
trialists saying they want to start an industry guaran-
teeing that they will sell at the same price as the
imported price.

It will be noted that our estimates of the cost of
factory construction have gone up. Members of the
Senate will remember that only last week there was
a supplementary Resolution for $362,000 for factory
construction. Our promotion campaign up to now has
been so successful that it has been difficult for us
to keep pace with the factory construction needed;
and we are concerned that if our programme abroad
goes on to be so successful we may face possible
embarrassment. That is a matter which is receiving
our earliest attention.

Our administrative costs have also increased. It
is to be noted that in Canada we never had our own
representative. We are now establishing a better office
in Toronto and have appointed our own representa-
tive. In our local office we have made provision for
an Education and Publicity Officer to give information
about the Board's development to Barbadians.

Our overseas offices will keep people informed
as to what the Board is doing and the success of
industrialists who have come from North America
to Barbados.

Generally speaking, sir, there are a few other
things in the Estimates on which I could comment,
but I will just confine myself to the Development

SENATOR Dr. R. B. CADDLE: Sir, in under-
developed countries there are certain disadvantages
such as lack of capital development, rapid increase
in population, high unemployment, and you will find
that also things such as finding skilled people in
sufficient quantity. These countries do not have the
ability to retain skilled professional people; coupled
with this you find in the newly independent countries
the problem created by those who find it hard to

change. There are many of us who find security and
comfort in the past, we would rather see the past
maintained, even if it were doing us more harm,
than to go forward and try something which is bene-
ficial, and Barbados is no exception, being an under-
developed country and also a newly independent coun-

When I looked at the Estimates presented to us,
one of the things that struck me is that the time has
come when the people of Barbados have to pay more
attention to patriotism. We have to try to maintain
the present standard of services by reducing their
costs or by trying to improve your standardof ser-
vices by reducing their costs or by trying to improve
your standard of services at the same costs. When
I looked through these Estimates one thing that strikes
me is that so far the Government has not seen it fit
to set up a Ministry for national planning, because
while this may not be necessary in highly developed
countries, you find that in these conditions, economic
and otherwise, in under-developed countries such a
Ministry is a must.

It has been pointed out by one of the previous
speakers that a large amount of money is being spent
on the civil servants. Accepted that this is the case,
one wonders if a closer scrutiny could not be made
for the civil servants to ensure that many of the prob-
lems which we now face cannot be reduced, and in-
crease the civil servants to such an extent that the
people in Barbados would know they are getting better
services for the amount of money Government intends
to spend. Going a bit further, when we come down to
Head 22, Ministry of External Affairs, something
strikes me as interesting, and that is that money
which is being spent on the High Commission in London
totals $198,878, and when we compare this with the
other Missions abroad, we find that it is a lot greater
with the exception of the Permanent Mission to the
United Nations. Looking at it in some detail, one ob-
serves that for the High Commissioner in Londonwe
see the figure of $24,500 andwhenwe look at the sala-
ries paid to the High Commissioners for the other
Missions we see the figure of $12,000 each. This to
me is interesting because immediately a case canbe
made for Barbados having its own High Commissioner
in Londaon. I would like to know what this $24,500
entails. I see here on the opposite page a note "Bar-
bados Government's share of expenses of joining
High Commissioner for Barbados and Guyana";
so what it would appear to mean, looking at it this
way, is that the High Commissioner in London is
drawing a lot more in salary than the High Com-
missioner or the representatives in the other Mis-
sions abroad, and if this is so one wonders why Bar-
bados cannot have its own High Commissioner in

Another thing is health. As a doctor myself I
must be concerned with the health of the nation
purely from a professional point of view and also
from the national point of view. We have to bear in
mind that the services provided are costly, andwhat
is happening is that they are becoming more and more
costly and in spite of the large amount of money which

the Government is spending on the maintenance of the
Health services in this country, there is a lot of dis-
satisfaction going on on the part of the people who
receive these services, and I think it is high time
that something is done to reduce this dissatisfaction
that exists on both sides; on the people's part and
also on the part of the doctors and nurses.

One of the problems in the inability to retain pro-
fessional people; it is disheartening to know that
many of the developed countries make it a point of
attracting their trained professional personnel from
the under-developed countries because they find it
is cheaper to attract a doctor oralawyer or a nurse
from an under-developed country rather than train
one of their own, and this is even more true in the
United States of America where medicine is a seven
year course, and many people do not do it because of
the length of the course, they prefer to do something
shorter. The point is thatwhenwe are trying to attract
doctors, obviously the United States will attract them

One of the things that occurred to me is the ques-
tion of the system of administration of the Queen
Elizabeth Hospital. Iwonderwhy the Government does
not introduce a system which will give independent
service to the public and also helpto run the hospi-
tal at a cheaper cost. One of the things that come to
my mind is, why not use the open house system on
recruiting your health medical staff? By open house
I mean that all the physicians, surgeons and residents
in Barbados will be given the privilege, under certain
conditions laid down by the Government, thatyou can
go in the hospital, use the facilities of the hospital
rather than have the system where you restrict the
facilities of the hospital to particular sectionof the
community, because when you go into it you find that
this leads to abuse, it puts one set of people at a high-
er advantage than the others. It has been estimated
that to get a good service there youwill need no less
than 75 doctors in the hospital; can you afford to go
on having this large expenditure of funds? I say you
cannot, so you must look for an alternative method.

Does the Government need advice from people
who have a personal concern, or they want to safe-
guard certain personal interests and therefore they
give the Government a certain type of advice, or
does the Government need the type of adviser who
is going to advise on how best to maintain these
services, who looks at the situation from an academic
point of view? In Barbados we have this attitude which
has been cultivated in this country for a long time,
and it is high time to rule it out, but the point is this,
Government cannot afford to allow itself to be held
up to ransom, and Iwonderwhat the policy is on this.

Many a doctor in Barbados would be glad to go to the
hospital and treat his patients, but as the present sys-
tem now stands, you send a patient to hospital and that
is the end of that, he is lucky if he gets a reply from the
hospital doctor about his patient, but he cannot go to the
hospital and treat his patient. Something should be done
about this system, it is, to say the least inhuman.


Another point which I wish to raise is the ques-
tion of ordering drugs. The system of ordering drugs
in the hospital is one of exploitation, and when you
look at the expenditure you spend on this hospital
it is very very high. Everybodyinthe hospital orders
drugs, and that is a waste of time and money, I do not
know any other hospital which allows this, hospital
has a formula and you are given it,we order certain
drugs, these are the drugs we order, we will order
other drugs if these fail. You have very costly anti-
biotics on the market today and you find after spend-
ing a lot of money on them that the drugs which the
hospital uses would have done the job and it would
have been cheaper.

In this vote you have approximately $8 million
for health, and then you are going to spend nearly
half of that on the hospital alone, the other facilities
will suffer, and when you observe the health faci-
lities in Barbados, they are suffering. Can we talk
about the almshouses, the infirmaries, the health
centres, everybody has to run down to the Queen
Elizabeth Hospital and that is the reason that one
institution carries away too much of the money that
is voted for health, and it is high time you look at it
and see what has been done.

The Casualty Department. If you go in what is the
Casualty Department at the hospital you are going
to see people who have no right in there, and this
is one department which gives rise to a lot of dis-
satisfaction and puts a lot of strain on the hospital.
One of the problems is that a doctor has to work on
the wards during the day and then go to work in the
casualty, so when he starts to work at 6 o'clock in
the morning, he is of little use to the patients in the
casualty by evening. Another thing is the Casualty
is intended for emergencies and when it is being used
for some other purpose then you find that by the time
the emergencies reach the ward they still have to
wait for the doctor, and this condition there is de-
teriorating. What is required in the hospital is an
out-patients clinic where people who cannot afford
to pay for medical attention can go and get medical
attention. It is not a question of everybody going to
the Casualty and sitting down for a whole day.

Another thing which has to be looked into is pro-
viding furnished quarters for interns. Aninternis
under certain obligations and if he does not carry
these out he cannot register, and this is important
because even when he wants to do graduate study he
has to go back into a hospital and I see some costly
furnished quarters and so on being provided. They
can not do this in the United States which has one of
the most outstanding medical institutions in the world,
they have to pay $75 a month and they get a room to
live in, they have to join the hospital as interns. I
am not for one moment saying you have to realise
it is done in highly developed countries where a hospi-
tal is not attached to a university so what are we
trying to fool ourselves with in Barbados? Building
more houses? Are you trying to create privileged
classes in Barbados?
When you look at the other aspect of drugs in
Barbados, the system there is out of date; and one

other thing I would like to see is that you set up an
entirely different department for the ordering of drugs
for the hospital as distinct from the hospital to order
and supply hospital drugs, you cannot go on with this
haphazard system, and another important thing you
have to realise is this, that youwillfind that in places
such as the hospital where a lot of drugs are being
used there is a lot of pushing,whenI say that I mean
in the sense that the Barbadian likes to be known at
this and that place, and so he triesto get his fame in
this terrible system of ordering drugs.
I can say this right here and now,, one of my
brothers' wives was working at the Queen Elizabeth
Hospital I hope the Minister is hearing me this
lady was working in a particular department, the ma-
chinery broke down. When the machinerywas repair-
ed and the staff was back this lady was told "we do
not want you in here, you do not need employment,
you only come in here to spy and carry back people's
names." Some people feel that Ihave some prejudice
against this hospital, I do not. What has struck me
from the time I came back, why is it that people go
and give other people the type of advice which is only
to protect their own interest? I do not think this is
fair to the whole community; I have never come from
any privileged class and therefore one of my concerns
has to be for those people whowill get a scholarship,
go and study and come back to Barbados to work, who
will prefer to work here andifthe conditions are not
made satisfactory for such people they are notgoing
to come back, and this is unfortunate because you
find that a system which is being used is to the ad-
vantage of certain people. You can find, for instance,
in the hospital where people who are requiredto pay
for an X-Ray get it done free, but the fellow outside
who is not working or working for very little has to
pay. Then there is the other fellow who can pay, he
sees a specialist and then he gets drugs free, the
fellow outside who cannot afford to pay has to pay,
and this is why expenditure on this hospital is so
great. It is high time we look into these things; you
have got to realise that at election time you
appeal to everybody, not to only just one section of
the community.

What I am saying is that when it comes to treat-
ment in private wards the Government is subsidising
it. If you are not providing free medical attention
at the hospital, but just to satisfy the whims and fan-
cies of other people you also supply attention in pri-
vate rooms, why subsidise it? A person has a choice.
He can go into a free ward if he cannot afford to go
into a private ward.

You are encouraging a lot of petty prejudice which
ought to have been thrown out long ago, and when they
go into private wards they g t the bill and they ignore it.
They do not want to pay. You are not depriving any-
one of medical attention. It is forthe person to choose,
If he wants to pay for it he should pay for it.

You are telling a doctor that if people decided to
go into a private ward you cannot charge more than
$200. That is nonsense. Compared with other coun-
tries it is too small. In the U. S. A. it is (US) $80 a
day and patients there do not get what they get here.

All this adds to the high cost of running the
hospital. Sometimes at a cocktail party someone
whispers something here and there. Youhave tothink
of the benefit of the people of the country and not
of a small group. You are running the hospital for
the benefit of all and therefore you have to be more
careful. I am sure that when you go into this you
will find that the cost of running the hospital can be

There are cases of drugs ordered in excess for
a ward and not being returned. It is not satisfactory
at all and if you allow this type of thing to go on the
whole thing will collapse on you.

There are other parts of this island which need
medical attention. You hear a lot about district hos-
pitals. What is the use of having buildings when you
will not have adequate staff. You have a hospital in
St. Andrew which has not yet been opened.

Again, you have to look at some of the offices in
which some of your staff are working. Some of the
junior staff are working for over 18 hours a day. You
have junior nurses whom you will like to retain, but
they will not stay. It is nothing to do with what they
are paid.

Another thing, you cannot expect to bring here
people who it is expectedwill dress a certain way and
eat a certain type of diet and expect them to sit down
and eat salted fish. You have to eat something that
other people will expect you to eat even if you will
eat salted fish privately; but when you are in a group
you cannot sit down and eat that.

If you look into these things youwill see that the
nurses need a better break. If you look into this busi-
ness of wastage you will be able to provide better

When you consider, for example, this question of
drugs, I have seen people comingto me with two hun-
dred to three hundred tablets that cannot last. If you
give a person 100 tablets in a short time they are
powder. It is a waste of money.

When you come to health in Barbados the whole
system needs a drastic and complete re-organisation.
It is outmoded. It belongs to the nineteenth Century.
I feel very strongly on this because I know that it is
no point just looking to yourselves. How canyou cope
with this Barbadian attitude that "my pot does not
boil at you"? Now is the time, especially as a young
nation, that we have to realise that we are living in
a community, the success of which depends on the
contribution of all.

There is no point feeling that we are over and
above the others because the community would be
bound to collapse. When you look at all the coun-
tries that have become independent in the last two
years, you find disorder. Why is this? Very often
you find situations worse than they were in the
Colonial days and people say that if theywere white
they would not have done this.

You cannot say that in Barbados, there is no dis-
satisfaction at some measures. Health is important.
Imagine a man who goes to work sick. He cannot
pull his weight, and it must affect the community.
There is this nineteenth Century idea that a man
who cannot work should go into the Almshouse,while
a man who has money can go to a clinic or go over-
seas. That belongs to the past. I believe that the Gov-
ernment can do something for the health of the coun-
try as a whole.

In the Capital Estimates there is the question
of district hospitals and things of that nature. They
have to be staff. What are you going to do about them?
Will they be district hospitals only in name and turn
out to be nothing better than the Old Almshouses? A
building alone is not a hospital; it is the service that
you provide.

Other countries may have district hospitals but
do the reasons for having them in those countries
exist in Barbados? Barbados is small. You can
easily get from one part of the island to Bridgetown.
You have to consider what is the need and what type
of medical service is needed.

When I look at these another aspects of Barba-
dos, Education, Transport, etc., one of the things that
have struck me for a long time is why cannot we get
some comprehensive planning in Barbados. Why must
each ministry plan distinct from the other? All these
things are inter-related. To give an example: You
take a simple thing like Transport. Youfindchildren
leaving all over Barbados to go into Bridgetown. You
find buses laden with school-children on mornings
and evenings. Why do you not have education facilities
of the same standard in some of the out-lying dis-
tricts which would prevent children from leaving
these areas? This automatically would take a lot of
strain off the transport services.

Let us look at these things on a national scale.
I am surprised that over and over againyou get one
department planning by itself. We have heard a lot
about the Cave Hill project; but let us see it in rela-
tion to the whole of Barbados. Experts will tell you
to re-model Bridgetown; but it is better to build a
new town than try to re-model an old town.
When you look and see what the Government has
been trying to do in respect of that, and when you
see the heavy traffic and the confusion, can you not
go to the northern and southern parts of the island
and set up a new town? Why must the Government
continue to feel that only Bridgetown is the suburbs?
Why feel that if you are going to build a good district
it must be near Bridgetown? Do you not think of a
new town some where inthe northof the island where
you will have the same facilities? This question of
over-crowding, building new car parks widening roads
and corners would not be necessary. The money you
spend trying to re-model Bridgetown wouldbe better
spent on developing another town, and the popula-
tion justifies it.
I feel that it is high time to look into this. I feel
I that we can get better results for the money we spend,

and it is inourinteresttoget better results. We have
to plan seriously and spend wisely.

When one looks at the Estimates as a whole one
cannot really say that the Government does not need
money. We agree that there is need for the money;
but one has to ask if we are getting the maximum
benefit from the money which we spend. I think that
on close scrutiny of the conditions of the island the
answer is no. It is high time thatwe set about getting
this maximum benefit.

Another aspect which strikes me is that there is
a lot of talk about the proposed Community College.
As one senator has remarkedwe cannot go on tutor-
ing people only for white-collar jobs. I realise at
Harrison's College that while it was felt that one
could go into the Civil Service orbecome a lawyer or
a priest, everyone could not get into the Civil Service,
or become a lawyer, and everyone could not be a
priest. As a matter of fact, with the dis-establishment
of the Anglican Church we wonder how many people
will want to be priests.

Education has been defined as the development of
the ability to adopt oneself to one's enviornment. One
wonders whether the type of education that has been
given in the past is really suitedto the needs of Bar-
bados. I would sayno. That is why I welcome the pro-
jected Community College along the lines laid down.
You find a lot of the dissatisfaction among young
people with their certificates who cannot get jobs.
It is not their fault. The job opportunities are there,
but the chaps cannot do things with their hands. They
cannot wire houses. They are products of the tradi-
tional type of education that our schools offer.

We are developing the Tourist Industry. In rela-
tion to your Tourist Industry there are a lot of other
industries which can be developed around it, Some-
times industries in Barbados want a certain type of
people whom they cannot get.

I would say, Mr. President, that yourwhole edu-
cational system, like many otherdepartments, needs
reorganising. Why is there this exodus from the rural
districts to Bridgetown? Why cannot we have our
schools more wisely zoned?

Another thing: why is it that the Government has
never really embarked on a co-educational system?
The private secondary schools have adoptedthe sys-
tem and the parents of those children do not have any
horror of sending them there. They exist in other
countries such as Canada and the U. S. A. Why is it
that the Barbados Government must continue to labour
under the misconception that you must have
schools for male children and similar schools for
female children?

You are faced with problems of finance and staff-
ing. Take a case in point. In St. Peter there are two
secondary schools. I would say that with the money
spent on these two schools one wonders if a lot more
could not be achieved by having one schoolwith good


staff, with the properly trained teachers that now
have to cater to two schools.

The number of children is about 800. Ifone con-
siders this seriously, could you not go into the area
and build one school to accommodate 1,000 children
and get the best of the staff from both of the present
schools? In that way the amount of money which
you now spend is bound to be less. It seems to me
that by getting the best from both of these schools
you will get abetter standard. Youwillbe able to pro-
vide better facilities.

One of the reasons for sending children to schools
in Bridgetown is the belief, often supported by the
fact, that the standards and the facilities of these
schools are superior the standards at Harrison
College, Queen's College, Combermere and St.
Michael's Girls' School. So parents try to get their
children into those schools or sendthem to some pri-
vate secondary school where the fees are very high.

While I welcome the projected Community Col-
lege, I would also welcome a reorganisation of the
schools in Barbados. In that field a lot more can be
done, and when we realise how these things are inter-
related, reorganisation will have a beneficial effect
on your Transport and Health problems and on a lot
of other problems.

I would suggest to the Minister of Education to
consider the Community College project not as dis-
tinct, but as related to the complete reorganisation
of educational facilities in Barbados. When this is done
we will be able to sit up and feel happy about the way
in which things are going and a lot more people in
Barbados will be able to enjoy a greater sense of
fulfilment in the welfare of this country.

I sat here about an hour ago and listened to the Hon-
ourable Senator Mapp lambasting the Housing Author-
ity, and trying to give the impression in this Senate
that all the members of the Housing Authority staff
are working under the most harsh conditions, and that
everything in the Housing Authority is going wrong.
I would like to inform the Honourable Senator Mapp
that it is either that he does not drive around Bar-
bados any more and see the complete change in
housing or that he does not care to discuss housing.

When I was appointed to the Housing Authority
as Chairman, the staff members never even had their
lunch room; today, not only do they have a lunch
room with water coolers, but they also have the right
of loans to build houses. This is something that they
never had before. When we come to our field staff
that build the houses, the workmen at the Pine Work-
shop had to travel about 150 yards to get 50
ice. Today, the workmen in that department have a
water coller, and they also have a 15-minute break
period or two, so what the Honourable Senatorwould
have Honourable Senators here believe is far from the

There is one time I can remember, and this is
information that I received that the administration in
housing almost broke down when a series of inspec-
tions were carried out and an Inspector Mr. Albert
Maynard was put before' the Board and almost lost
his job for carrying out his legitimate duties ordered
by the Minister of Housing. I believe the Honourable
Senator would also remember a Messenger, Mr.

SENATOR R. G. MAPP: Mr. President, I would
like to enlighten the Senator that I have no knowledge
of what he says, and if it happened at any time it
certainly did not happen.......

Mr. PRESIDENT: Iwouldpreferthe Honourable
Senator not to go into personalities.

Housing Authority produced some very badly built
houses which we almost had to reconstruct. They had
inferior wood and no bedroom doors. Today we are
producing some houses second to none in this coun-
try, and if I may just enlighten this Honourable
Chamber of what has just been achieved in housing,
we have built 20 more units as a result of savings
which we have made.

SENATOR R. G. MAPPL Can the Senator tell
us if the houses have bedroom doors?

with all these doors, they are also built with toilets,
flush system, they are guaranteed for 25 years,
something that the former Board cannot say. Would
say furtherthatwhen I was appointed Chairman of the
Housing Authority and the orders came down for sales
of the single units, the greatest difficulty we
experienced was to sell the existing single units and
we had to beseech people to buy them because they
were not interested in living in toilets, but they were
interested in living in houses.

I go back again it is true that from time to time
members of the Housing Authority staff would give
misleading information although we realise that the
public should be given efficient service. As long as I
am Chairman of the Housing Authority the public will
be respected andwillbe served and allwho are against
that could find whoever they like to give informa-
tion. We in the Housing Authority have no apology for
saving the taxpayers money and giving them the best
for their money.

When we went to the Housing Authority there was
one single Day Nursery in Gall Hill. We have built
day nursiers at Bagatelle, St. Thomas; St. Matthias;
Ellerton; Six Cross Roads; Grazettes; Golden Rock; The
Pine; and then we established a library in the Pine
operated by Peace Corps Workers. In 1961 we built
a harbour here, the Honourable Senator was then
Minister of Communications and Works, and the har-
bour cost about $14 million, and they were to reclaim
135 acres of land and they reclaimed 90 acres of
land. In a day like this they built houses without bed-
room doors, imagine that.

There are architectural constructions going on
in this country and you cannot get the masons nor the
carpenters to work in the canefields. Every worker
in the Housing Authority is covered by insurance. We
find that there are hard working people being sent
home at the age of 60; nobody knows whatwork they did,
and no records were kept. It was no Minister of this
Government who went over the administration of the
Authority and had a man appointed over the Chief
Officer's head.

SENATOR R. G. MAPP: On a point of order, I
would really like you to go a bit slowly, how many
people were dismissed in 19657 Or how many are
working who are over 65 years of age?

who I believe is over 65, on the recommendation of
the Chief Executive Officer he was employed, but no
person is taken on over the age of 65. There had
been a man who had been a temporary rent collector
and I am saying that he has been known as the best
temporary rent collector we had. The Housing
Authority, as you know, is a statutory body; it is not
compelled to send its members to the Public Service
Commission, if it sends anybody to the PSC it is only
a matter of courtesy. WhenI firstwent there we found
out that there was a lady who after serving three

Mr. PRESIDENT: Please do not go into that, it
is not getting you anywhere.

SENATOR C. L. BRAITHWAITE: I have no apology
to make for using the Housing Authority van, I use it
on Housing Authority work. A lot of people know I
drive a motor car M. 5582 and I am not taking up
Housing Authority money and buying a motor carout
of it. We are constructing houses bigger and better
than they were ever constructed in Barbados.

Mr. President, I no longer will take up any more
time because there are other Honourable Members
who I would like to speak.

I still want to clear a pointthat is still ringing in the
minds of Senators. This is in connectionwithEduca-
tion, School Meals Service, and I refer to the remark
made by Senator Mappwhen he says that they are free
lunches and we are charging a fee forthem. I am not
going into any figures, but I do know that the 10
charged by the Ministry of Education from the parents
just barely covers the cost of the meals.

He also referred to free food from America. We
get food from the World Food Program which is diet
that you can use and which is given to other countries
in larger quantities than is given to Barbados. This
was available to the Barbados Labour Partywhen they
were in power and they refused it, they did not take
UNICEF milk, but we are getting some free milk. This
is the question I wanted specifically to answer, and I
now generally deal with one thing which Ihave writ-
ten down here which was saidby the Honourable Sena-
tor Mapp. He said that this Government can take no

credit for the economic growth of this island, and I
would like to know who he is going to give the credit
to, because certainly the economic growth over the
past six years is not due to any brains or any lack of
brains from the Barbados Labour Party; all we find
in their fies and they are always referring to blue-
prints left in their files I cangive you a short gist,
I have had access to some of the files and one of the
things I saw in their files was that the school meals
service could never work.

Before this Honourable House prorogues, after
this five years, every child would have available a
lunch for 100 and I would like to add to this that
the teachers get a 440 lunch for 300, these poor hard
working teachers.

Now there is one other point, I wouldlike to ask
Senator Blackman what conditions he started towork
in and if his pay was $2.00 a month, mine was $9.50
and I did not enter through the back door, and today
the conditions of service for teachers are better than
they have ever been. I am sorry to see that Senator
Blackman is still so disturbed, and his disturbance
disturbs me. I have notgot anything more to say, Sir.

Mr. President, I move thatwe adjourn for 30 minutes.

beg to second that.

The question was put to the Senate and agreed to.


Mr. President, quite a lot has been said in this debate
on the question of education. Apparently some Sena-
tors are very worried that I have not been sleeping
frequently during debates inthis Honourable Chamber.
I would like to say at the outset that on the Govern-
ment benches we have organised procedure, that we
just do not get up and speak on all matters on all
occasions. There have been very few occasions since
I assumed responsibility for the portfolio of educa-
tion on which we have had any resolution before this
Honourable Chamber; on these few occasions I have
spoken and I cannot claim, like other Senators, to
speak at great length on'subjects.

The Chief Justice of this country recently drew
attention to the fact that quality more than quantity
should be the criterion when judging certain impor-
tant issues. I think this can also be applied to the'
speeches which are made by some members andwhich
I have listened through. I would liketo state that some
of these speeches or some of the speakers have a
great facility for creating an atmosphere of boredom,
both on account of the length of their speeches and,
also the lack of quality in them.

Senator Mapp, the speaker for the Opposition
Party in this Senate, in unburdening himself called
upon the Government to- set up some Commission of
Enquiry into the system of education inthis country.

He wants to see some Commission of Enquiry set up
to go into the educational system. I would like to say
here and now that this Government has no intention
of setting up any Commission of Enquiry until we'
have carried out the present re-organisation onwhich
we have embarked. There will be no enquiry into this
system of education until the present exercise upon
which we are engaged has been completed. I listened
quite attentively to the speech by Senator Mapp; I even
took the precaution, just in case there was some:in-
formation which he may have wanted, to ask the offi-
cials of my Ministry to be on call, but in analysing
the speech, there seems to be nothing really to reply
to as far as education is concerned.

He mentioned two major points as far as- can
remember three points one concerned the SChool
Meals Programme, and I think the Parliamentary
Secretary in the Ministry of Education has dealtwith
that. It contained a gross inaccuracy which I would
not expect the Senator, andthe Editorof a newspaper
to make, that is stating that the United States Govern-
ment provides foodstuffs for this country for our
school feeding programme. The other point he*made
was to ask for a Commission of Enquiry. Have
already made my position clear, and the position of
the Government, on that question, and the other point
was to state at great length and with great repe'ti-
tiveness that I have not spoken veryfrequentlyin the
Senate. Well, there is no need to reply on that score

I would like to make this point, and it is in con-
nection with the Commission of Inquiry. The Barba-
dos Labour Party had control of Education for about
15 years and during that period of time they never
saw fit to appoint a Commission of Inquiry to go into
the system of Education in this country. They never
saw fit to appoint any body of persons from outside
or within this country to examine all these problems
and difficulties which they now see in the field of

What do they want us to set up a Commission of
Inquiry to go into? The fact that we have provided free
education at secondary level for the children of all
Barbadians? Do they wants to setup a Commission
of Inquiry into the fact thatwe are providhiig free uni-
versity education for Barbadians attending the Col-
lege of Arts and Science? Do they want us to set up
a Commission of Inquiry to go into the fact that in a
number of schools in this country we are providing
a tasty and well balanced meal for the children of
Barbadians so that they dan develop into rounded
personalities? That we try to make the fullest use
of all the instruments of tuition provided in our
schools? Do they want us to set up a Commission
of Inquiry to go into all those things?

S.Mr. President, there is no ieed at this stage for
the Government or the Ministry of Education to con-
sider setting up a Commission of Inquiry into our edu-
cational system. We have made provision for the
expansion of our educational facilities and for the im-
provement of education in this country, and there is
no need to inquire into that.

What would be the case if the Commission decided
to follow the suggestion of Senator Blackman and set
up two types of exhibitions one for the high flyers,
those who will go to Harrison College and those whom
be dismissed as the others? We are not interested in
bringing about this type of dichotomy in our educational
system we have determined will be an integrated one.

And, Mr. President, I would like to crave your
indulgence while I go through the provisions which we
are making in this country for Education, and while
doing so, to answer to the best of my ability some of
the questions which have been raised by senators.

The Estimates call for the expenditure of
$12,922,816 on the current account, and for the sum
of $1,494,891 on the capital account. That is the pro-
vision which we propose to make during the coming
financial year to look after the education of the youth
of this country. This is a sizeable sum out of a total
estimated expenditure of $56,120,475, current, and
on the capital side $9,341,038.

I would like to stress that we plan to spend this
money on a system of education which is integrated,
and which takes into account the children of Barba-
dians from the age of about five years. We have pro-
vision for some pre-school education as well as
education at the nursery level, but we are making
provision for children to enter this integrated system
at the age of five until seven in the Infants Depart-
ment, from seven to 11 in the JuniorDepartment and
from 11 to 15 in our Secondary Department.

Now that we have this type of division I want to
make it clear because I cannot tolerate, or I find it
very difficult to do so when arguments are advanced
to show that our educational system is one in which
somehow errors and blunders are being made. I can-
not tolerate a situation in which sound arguments are
not advanced, and I become very impatient whentri-
vial statements are trotted out which have very little
bearing on the problems facing our country.

To return to the point that I was making, Sir.
At the age of 11 anumberof pupils go into our secon-
dary system. There are 10 government-aidedgram-
marschools and the problem of finding school places
for these students is an extremely difficult one, and
we have to ensure not only that there is quality, but
that there is quantity for the sons and daughters of
Barbadians who reach the age of 11 and afterwards
find their places in the secondary system.

It is all well andgoodto talk of quality as against
quantity, and there is always room for improvement;
but make no mistake about it; we cannot get the best
quality, the best brains coming to the fore for the
service of this country unless we ensure that all the
talent available in the country has the opportunity
and the chance to demonstrate itself.

And, Mr. President, this can only be done when.
we make provision for all the sons and daughters of
Barbadians to show whatever talents they may have.
That is why we have to provide education for all of

them. We are not looking at it in terms of quantity
and quality. In the thinking of this Government they
are both important. They are not alternatives.

Senators have been extremely worried about the
question of a junior college and they have even accused
me of contradicting myself. For the record I would
like to say that the position of the Ministry and of the
Government has been clear on this matter. We have
seen the problems of providing education in a certain
quantity and of a certain quality in this island, and the
proposal to establish a junior college is an indica-
tion that we are willing to attempt to come to grips
with this problem and see that the skills which are
needed in this island are catered for; but this is a
process of development. It is a problem, Mr.

There are a number of students who, after com-
pleting their studies at the G. C. E. Ordinary Level
are desirous of continuing to the Advanced Level.
These students have been finding it increasinglydif-
ficult to find places in the existing schools where
Sixth Form education is now provided.

They are prepared for the Ordinary Level at 10
Government grammar schools, 16 approved indepen-
dent schools and five comprehensive schools as well
as at the private secondary schools which are not
yet approved.

At the moment there are only four grammar
schools and a couple of independent schools which
have any regular Sixth Form. Students who wish
to qualify at Advanced Level must try to find places at
the four Governmentgrammar schools or at private
schools and during the past year in many instances
it has proved impossible to meet the requirements
of this type of student, and the situation is likely to
worsen in the future.

I think that Senator Alkins who has for a long
time been connected with Education at St. Michael's
Girls' School in particular, will know the problem
to which I am referring. We were faced with a
situation where there were a number of pupils who
had the qualifications for Sixth Form education, but
because of the congestion at Queen's College were
unable to gain admittance to that school.

We have this problem, and I agreed that pupils
from St. Michael's who wantedto proceed immediately
to Sixth Form work and could not gain admission to
Queen's College should embark on their Sixth Form
work at Combermere School. I thinkthat perhaps that
is something that Senator Caddle would like because
he is calling for co-educational schools.

It was the first time that we had female students
attending Combermere School and some of them are
there now pursuing Sixth Form studies. The Head-
master of Combermere has been helpful in this
respect and I would like to thank him on this occasion
for the smooth way in which this change took place.
Out of the total of 1,764 candidates who sat the
Oxford and Cambridge G.C.E. in June 1967,285qua-


liftedd for admission for further study. Using the basis
of four 0 Level certificates, this numberof 285 does
not include persons who in June, 1967 although they
did not pass in four subjects, would have gainedenough
passes which, when added to the number they had
before, would have given them passes in four or more

The aim of the Ministry of Education is to ensure
that all persons in this community who have talents
and skills can proceed to develop those talents and
skills to the highest level possible. We are not
interested in setting up any artificial barriers to the
development of the skills and talents of our youth.
They are all important to us and we do not intend to
play around with education on the basis of sentiment,
tradition or the old school tie.

Turning to further education, we can make pro-
vision for education at the advanced level by a num-
ber of means. We could have an increased number of
existing Sixth Forms. Where we have four schools
with Sixth Forms now we could study the establish-
ment of Sixth Forms in all the ten Government Gram-
mar Schools, or establish a Community College for
this purpose.

We considered these matters very carefully inthe
Ministry of Education and in the Government, and I
would like to make this clear. There have been state-
ments that my advisers stopped me from doing this
or that.

I would like to make it clear that advisers offer
advice and suggestions on number of matters in the
field of education but that advice comes as the raison
d' etre of the system that we are running and can
either be accepted or rejected. The final decision
is that of the Minister responsible forthe particular

That is how I run my Ministry. On all matters I
consult with my advisers. I have made this clear in a
release to the Press on Tuesday morning. The accu-
mulated experience in the Ministry of Education is
available to me particularly from the Standing Com-
mittee which I have set up in that Ministry. We go
through matters connected with educational policy,
planning and forecasts. We examine the pros and cons.
We look at the problems from every possible angle.

I myself preside over these meetings. Also pre-
sent are my Permanent Secretary, the two Assistant
Secretaries in the Ministry, the Chief EducationOffi-
cer or the Deputy Chief Education Officer and the
Senior Education Officers who have experience of
both the secondary and primary systems. In dealing
with a particular matter we call on the experience
of these officers in their several fields. That is a
part of the system of Government, and that experience
is consulted.

Whether I have three orfouryears experience is
beside the point. Accumulated experience is available
to me, and if editors of newspapers or Senators-who
may have even less experience than I have can arro-

gate to themselves the right to speak on matters
educational, I believe, whether the Opposition likes
it or not, that I have a right, a legal right to make
decisions on matters of Education.

Mr. President, there are a number of factors
which might militate against increasing the number
of Sixth Forms at present. First of all there is the
difficulty of finding adequate staff. If we had Sixth
Forms at all the ten Grammar Schools we would have
to find teachers in Physics, Mathematics, in English and
History etc., to serve these schools.

As I have said, we are not having any first and
second class divisions in our educational system. All
schools would have to have staffing and other facili-
ties at a similar level. So we would have to look for
specialist staff to look after the education of the youth,
even in the First Grade schools that we inherited
from the past Government.

Headmasters and headmistresses complain
Speech Day after Speech Day that they cannot recruit
or retain specialist staff in the numbers they would
like to provide adequate training for their pupils.

What is remarkable is that in the same breath
in which they complain that they cannot recruit or re-
tain this expensive personnel, they call for the estab-
lishment of Sixth Forms at these schools. It seems to
be a situation in which they would like to say "I am
all right Jack; children can go from First to Sixth
Form in their schools, but let the other schools fend
for themselves.

We have a situation where there is a movement
of teachers from Second Grade Schools. I am using
the terminology which was current in the 1950s when
the Barbados Labour Party was in control of the edu-
cational system in this country when teachers from
the Second Grade schools "migrated" to the First
Grade schools because they believed that there might
be better facilities in those schools.

It is the determination of this Government to wipe
out such distinctions which are bases, not on the par-
ticular merit of each school, the type of education
which is offered in those schools, button any supports
which prevent the other schools from raising their
standards and hence contributes to the problem which
Senator Caddie raised, of pupils converging on the
City of Bridgetown. It is our desire and our hope to
see that in the several parishes of this country we
will have educational provision which is on a simi-
lar level as can be had in the parish of St. Michael.

Now, I said there was a difficulty in finding and
retaining adequate staff which in some cases would
be employed to teach a limited number of students.
There was the' situation recently- wher.e:in'one sub-
ject you would have a specialist in school A teaching
about two or three pupils at Advanced Level, and in
.school B you have another specialist teaching another
* two or three pupils in.the same subject. This to me 'i,
to say the least, a most unsatisfactory and uIecono-
mical way of organising the education of this coun-

Secondly, the proliferation of sixth forms, while
providing places for more children, will also tend to
limit their choice of subjects. We have been speaking
in terms of offering the same limited range of aca-
demic subjects, we have not even been speaking of
expanding the curriculum in these schools, so that
subjects other than those which would equip one for
a white collar job, we have not been mentioning this
in terms of offering a widened educational opportu-
nity for our children. The result therefore would
likely be that many more teachers would be involved
in teaching the same limited range of subjects to
greater groups of children at different schools, the
expense of providing the several schools with the
same kind of equipment which will not be fully uti-
lised in any one place, this again is not a very
rational type of system in which to operate in this

On the other hand, if the community college is
established, arrangements could be made to recruit
the best available staff and to get maximum benefit
of them for the teaching of more students.

The Community College, by drawing students
from a wider area, would make possible the teaching
of a wider range of subjects and a more interesting
combination of subjects in the academic stream, so
we have a situation then where we have more and
more pupils, instead of what Senator Blackman states
I do not know what statistics he uses but certainly
the statistics which come into the Ministry of Edu-
cation indicate that each year there are more and
more pupils demanding education at the sixth form

SENATOR W. W. BLACKMAN: On a point of
order, Iusedthe statistics that have been presented in
this place.

Mr. President, I think the problem was with the

I have been dealing, Mr. President, merelywith
the question of provision of tuition in academic sub-
jects, but this concept of the community college is
much wider than that, and I believe it is because
some persons find it difficult to make the leap intel-
lectually to get out of present conditions what obtain-
ed in the past. I believe it is this which makes it
extremely difficult to concede the position, the scope
and the role of this new institution in the life of this
community, because we are not limited in the com-
munity college as is done at the present in the sixth
forms, the educational content merely of academic
subjects and the training of pupils for white collar
jobs, but we are also offering a much wider range
of subjects, because tuition will be provided in the
technical and in the commercial fields. There will be
those coming out of the community college who after
they have graduated from this institution will be go-
ing directly into the labour force, as well as there
would be those, because their appetites have been
whetted for more knowledge, and because they have
the ability to go further in the system, would be ready

to proceed to the University, and I would like to take
this opportunity to assure Senator Alkins that there
is no proposal or plan to deviate in any way from the
announcement which this Government has made that
the community college will be opening its doors to
pupils in September. There will be no deviation from
this; the fact that there is no provision in the Capital
Estimates on this score is simply in the nature of
the way these Capital Estimates have been presented.
I thought that the Honourable Senator Greaves inhis in-
troductory remarks on the Bill stated that the Capi-
tal Estimates represented a carry-over of those
projects which either have not commenced or which
have not been completed orwhichwould not have been
completed by the beginning of the next financialyear;
this is why there is no provision for the community
college or for the trades training centre.

When the Development Plan becomes available,
there will be provision and you will see clearly what
are the other commitments of the Ministry of Educa-
tion, as indeed of all other Ministries, and you can
be assured that the community college willbe among
the projects to be undertaken by the Ministry of Edu-
cation. Those who disagree with the ideaof establish-
ing a junior community college have argued that the
mere existence of a sixth form is advantageous to any
school. Mr. President, as I have said already, I get
.very impatient when in a community such as ours in
which skills of literacy and education have been tradi-
tionally high, when I hear certain arguments thrown
out. I would like to say that I am a firm believer in
the value of Parent-Teacher Associations; I believe
that such associations can be of tremendous force in
making the tasks of both teachers and taught easier
in the schools, and whenever such an association is
born, though the circumstances of the birth may be
something which might cause us to wonder why such
associations had not come into being before, but I
would like to say that Iwelcome the formation of these
associations. I think they have a tremendous role to
play in making education a much better instrument
for development in this country, but as far as I am
concerned, any person or association or group of
persons with whom the Ministry has to dealwill have
to justify themselves in terms of the logic and co-
gency of arguments advanced, and sometimes when
we read of the arguments advanced by some associa-
tions, it leaves one to think or to wonder whether
the matters have been seriously advanced orifthere
is not a surprising degree of rationalism going on.
I would like to say that one reason advanced in public
by a Parent-Teacher Association was that if you
transfer pupils from the schools which now have sixth
forms at the age of 15 or 16 somehow this will have
a dramatic effect upon them, that the age of 15 or 16
is a bad age for transfer. Mr. President, this appear-
ed in the National Daily a few days after I came into
office: "It might be described as the age of maximum
insecurity, with the certainties of childhood left be-
hind and no wealth of experience left inthe balance."

There is a greater dramatic effect exercised on
the minds of the very young at five when they have to
transfer from their homes to school for the first
time, the big elementary school not always a very

sightlyoraesthetically laid out building I am not-
speaking about the ones which have beenputup since
1961. At the age of seven when they have to transfer
from the infant school to the junior school, or the
age of 11 when they have to transfer into the second-
ary or comprehensive school. I have stated that I
cannot really follow some of these arguments which
have been advanced; if there is some content, some
logic, some cogency in the arguments advanced I
can follow, but other than that I have seen no reason
why the Government should re-examine its decision
on these matters.

In the community college there will be an aca-
demic wing, a technical wing, a fine arts wing, a
commercial wing, and an agricultural wing. In other
words it will be offering the type of education which
it is not possible to obtain now in any institution in
this country. Furthermore, besides catering to the
day students it will also be catering to evening stu-
dents, so that those persons who have the four or five
O level subjects and who are at work during the day
and who feel that they would like to improve them-
selves to make themselves more capable of perform-
ing their daily round; andtaskwould be able to go to
the community college and continue their education.
I need hardly go into any more detail about the com-
munity college, I have on a number of occasions in
public set out the reasons why this institution is being
set up; and I would like to state that it is central to the
whole system of education which we are trying to
improve upon in this country.

I would like to state, for the benefit of Senator
Wiles who asked what is the position in regard to
the sixth forms in those schools where they now exist,
I would like to repeat that this Government is not
abolishing anything, I would like to repeat this; when
you abolish something you remove it and there is no-
thing in its place. Whatwe are doingis re-organising
the system of sixth form education andtransferring
the provision which now exists into a central insti-
tution. This institution will be opened in September
and we will not for the time being transfer students
from the four sixth forms which are now in our
Government secondary schools; I do not know if
there is any greater clarity than this.

Mr. President, I said this is just one aspect
of the system of the re-organisation of the system
of education in this country. When we have all of our
schools going up to the fifth form level we will be
in a better position to ensure that the facilities offered
in our schools, whether in St. Lucy, St. Peter, St.
James, or whereverwe set up our secondary schools,
we will be in a better position to waive the school
age on grounds of educational content and not because
of any built-in difference. Those schools can then
shine forth and show their glory because it will not
be a case of having any facilities in some schools
whether it is in terms of more extensive playgrounds,
whether it is in terms of larger grants, whether it
is in terms of better salary conditions prevailing,
and perhaps why they perform better than other
schools, so this is an integral part of an integrated
system of education, and this is what I would like to

The other institution which we are setting up is
the trades training centre, and here again there is
no provision in the Estimates for this for the same
reasons that there is no provision for the community
college, but that also will be opening in September at
the harbour site, and I have also quite clearly in
public places set out the range and scope of this, and
I could be referring to my impatience with statements
which are thrown out and which we would expect
much greater thought and consideration to be given
to. Senator Blackman in his address wanted to know
what was going to happen to the children between
14 and 16, there are a lot of them walking around,
what is going to happen to them, there are no masons,
no carpenters, I do not remember the other cate-
gories which he mentioned, but Senator Blackman
is an avid reader of the newspapers and who keeps
his ears very close to the ground in matters of edu-
cation, although we have heard that that is not the
most distinguished posture fromwhich to lead. He
should be fully aware that it is the intention of this
Government to provide an institution which would
provide vocational training for the youth of this
country precisely at the age of which he is so much
concerned about. He said he is talking to a wit; that
much became obvious to me from his address.

We have, Mr. President, a clear-cut policy
in terms of education and it is this; we carry out
children from age 5 to 7 in the infant stage, from
age 7 to 11 in the junior stage, from 11 to 14 or 15
they will be in the secondary stage. We will have a
central community college which will be offering
education at the sixth form level and we will have
capping all of this our University of the West Indies
with a branch here in Barbados and in addition to that
the universities throughout the world where we may
send students from time to time in those areas where
we cannot or do not make provision here. In addition
we have the trades training centre which will be
offering vocational and craft training, so that the
industrial development of this country will not in any
way be retarded. Beyond this, we will be having, with
the co-operation of various private institutions in this
country, specialist schools whether for the dumb,
deaf or the blind. If this is not an integrated system,
I do not know what is, andlam not speaking with any
lack of clarity, I think Senator Blackman can follow
me quite clearly, I am not contradicting myself either,
it is an integrated system that we are establishing.

Senator Blanchette, in a well thought-out and well-
delivered speech, stressed the need for greater con-
sideration to be given to technical education. Would
like to assure Senator Blanchette that this is precisely
the aim and intention of this Government, to close the
Technical Institute and the courses which are at pre-
sent run there will be divided between the trades
training centre at the lower level and the technical
wing of the community college at the higher level, so
we will have training at the craftsman's level. Those
who have the ability to proceedhigher cango into the
community college and thereafterthey cango into the
facilities of engineering, maintenance or any institu-
tion overseas. If this is not an integrated system, I do
not know what is.

Senator Alkins raised this question of Evening In-
stitute and Adult Education. I would like to state that
at the present time there is some overlapping here
between what is offered in the Evening Institute as well
as in the Adult Education programme. The intention
largely is that with the institute that offers training
for the ordinary level and the adult programme offers
in the academic subjects, this is where the overlap is
and in the commercial section also, andwiththe adult
education programme this is at a lower level. We are
taking a very close look at our whole system; I think
I have said already that every Tuesday morningI sit
down with my advisers and the administrators inthe
Ministry and we think over the problems of education
in this country, and I would like to say that by and
large there are group of hardworking officials in the
Ministry of Education in spite of all the criticisms and
the adverse comments which are made, and I would
like to pay tribute to them, but from the time since I
was there at the Ministry of Education, some very
hard and solid work has been put in. Cabinet will
shortly be considering the proposals which will for-
mulate the basis of the revised draft Education Bill;
we have just completed our exercises in the Ministry
of Education. It is natural, I think, to expect that when
a new Minister takes over, he would revise whatever
is there; we have just completed that revision and
Cabinet will shortly be taking a decision on this. I
think members would be relieved. I expectwithinthe
next coming months to be able to come to Parliament
with the provision of a new Education Bill befitting
the status of a new independent country.

I hope, Sir, that I have dealtwith all the questions
that have been raised. I can assure senators that what-
ever questions they may direct on Education willget
as speedy a reply as lies in my power. I would like to
also assure senators that this is not a case of aMin-
ister of Education thinking that he has all the answers
to all the problems in the field of Education in this

I think that I have demonstrated my position in
this matter by setting up Advisory Committees for
two very important institutions the Community
College and the Trades Training Centre. That in it-
self is a demonstration that the Ministry of Educa-
tion is prepared to consult with and draw upon the
talents and abilities of whoever in this community
we believe can make a contribution, worthwhile con-
tribution, to the cause of Education in this country.

The Advisory Committee for the Community Col-
lege has submitted to me an interim report in respect
of the facilities at the site "The Eyrie" and I am in
the process of implementing those decisions. I want
to thank those individuals for the work that they have
put in.

The same is true of the Advisory Committee on
the Trades Training Centre. We believe that this is
the way in which Education should go forward, and I
would like to state that as farasthe Trades Training
Centre is concerned, we have been promised an ex-
pert in vocational and technical education by the Gov-
ernment of West Germany, andweexpectthatexpert

to arrive in this country shortly to assist us in setting
up the centre on the Harbour Site.

I repeat that I can assure members of speedy
consideration of any points on Education which they
may raise, and I hope that I have dealt with all the
questions that have been put. (Cheers).

We have sat here for avery long time, for more than
eight hours. Senators facing me spoke at length on
matters of Education in this country and I was very
glad to see that Senator Sandiford gave such a full

When we take the subject of Education away from
the points raised by senators, we find that there is
very little left to reply to. Senator Mappand Senator
Caddie spoke at some length on External Affairs.
Senator Mapp was very loud in claiming that the time
had come when the island should take a serious view
of the way in which foreign affairs should be conducted
in this country.

He said, Sir, that it was the concernof the whole
community and that the Opposition was not taken into
consideration. The fact that nothing which they have
suggested has been acted upon is only an indication of
the lack of substance in what they have been proposing.

The Government does not runbythe sufferance of
the Opposition. It is clear from what Senator Mapp
has said and from what I have seen reported that
Senator Mapp and the Opposition in general thinks
that the Government runs by the sufferance of the

If Senator Mapp and the Opposition in general
thinks that the Government is not functioning as it
should with regard to External Affairs, they have a
course of action. They can move a vote of censure.
The fact remains that the Government is in charge
not only of External Affairs, but of other affairs in
this country and intends to keep it so.

There may be a time when the Government has
to consult the Opposition, like in a time of crisis;
but that time has not been reached and we hope that
it will never come. If it comes, I am sure that they
will get the kind of consultation that they are asking

The question has been raised that under the Head
External Affairs the estimated cost is over $2 mil-
lion and of that amount $700,000 is includedfor con-
tribution to organizations and $225,000 has been
allocated to Regional Organisations, making a total
of $1 million. The fact is that when we were not in-
dependent we were contributing to the most of these

Another point: It has been suggested that the
Government of Barbados is paying the High Commis-
sioner in London. a salary forgiving him emoluments
greater than any other High Commissioner's. This is

Barbados contributes $24,500 as a block sum'to
the Government of Guyanaforthe services of the High
Commissioner in London. The Government of Barba-
dos does not, as such, pay any money over to the High
Commissioner in London. He is a servant of the Gov-
ernment of Guyana and not a servant of the Govern-
ment of Barbados.

The High Commissioner is representing Barba-
dos with the kind co-operation of the Government of
Guyana and we contribute roughly 40 per cent while
the Government of Guyana contributes the other 60
per cent. The Government of Barbados does not pay
any further monies or emoluments towards the High
Commissioner, so that $25,000 is all that the Govern-
ment of Barbados Contributes.

Let us compare that with the emoluments of the
High Commissioner in Canada. His salary is $12,000.
He is eligible for and receives an allowance of 75 per
cent in addition to his salary. Then there is an addi-
tional $2,500 for the maintenance of his motor car
(and that includes the chauffeur). In addition, the
High Commissioner in Canada is given a free fur-
nished house.

It can be seen, Sir, that the total contribution with
respect to the High Commissioner in Canada would
be over $45,000. It is erroneous to say that a case has
been made out that the Barbados Government should
have its own High Commissionerin London. The pre-
sent arrangement represents a saving of over $22,000
a year, and I hazard the guess that it is more than

The comment was also made the High Commis-
sioner in Canada costs us more than our High Com-
missioner because it is Guyana's High Commissioner.
This cannot be the case. There are other reasons. We
have a much larger staff. We had something to build
on. When Barbados became independent there was al-
ready a Welfare Service operating in London and it
is now integrated into the Service in London so that
the cost is $314,858.

If you look at the operation in New York by which
we operate a Consulate and representation at the
United Nations, you will find that they occupy one phy-
sical building. You will find that the New York Con-
sulate is costing us $146,760, whereas the United
Nations Mission is costing $298,180. It is therefore
costing us over $100,000 more than the London

I am sorry that Senator Mapp is not in his place
because some of the other points that he raised I
would have replied to; but I may have occasion to
do so at another time. However, there were some
points raised by Senator Alkins and I will reply to

Senator Alkins suggested, and in my opinion, quite
rightly, that it is time that the Government considered
the mechanisation of its accounts. That is in fact
Government's policy, andthe Government has recently
had a survey carried out by a United Nations expert
-and his report is now awaited.

As regards Local Government, the transfer of the
other services from Local to Central Government is
a big one. I would like to state that some weeks ago
the Cabinet passed proposals for this transfer. All
this entails a considerable amount of work, and I
would like to compliment the officers of the Ministry
of Health who have taken pains to prepare the neces-
sary report. In fact this report has been referred to
the Legal Department for drafting. I understandfrom
the Hon. Attorney General that it is being given pri-

As regards the question of reporting of the de-
bates, there is an increase underItem 51 because the
number of Reporters has been increased from three
to four and the number of typists from three to five.
Senator Alkins also said that he found no reference
to these in the Estimates. The reason is that they have
their own estimates. They are a viable corporation.

One final point. Senator Mapp made a point in
connection with consulting the Civil Service Associa-
tion when making appointments. I do not know of any
appointing body that has to consult the employees'
organisation. I do not know that the Public Service
Commission, the Police Service Commission or the
Legal Service Commission consults the Civil Ser-
vice Association.

I think that that takes care of the points raised.
I do not know if there are some that I have passed

SENATOR W. W. BLACKMAN: Mr. President, -
Senator Mapp was not speaking here for the Civil
Service Association.

On the motion of Senator the Honourable P. M.
Greaves, seconded by Senator the Honourable F. G.
Smith, the Senate went into Committee on the Bill,
Senator C. Asquith Phillips in the Chair.

Clauses 1 to 5 of the Billwere called and passed
without debate.

Clause 6 was called.

Senator the Honourable F. G. Smith addressed
the Senate.

The question that Clause 6 stand part of the Bill
was put and agreed to.

The Schedule was called.

Senator the Honourable P. M. Greaves moved that
the Schedule stand part of the Bill.

Senator the Honourable F. G. Smith seconded
the motion.

The question that the Schedule stand part of the
Bill was put and agreed to.

The question that the passing of the Bill be re-
ported to the Senate was put and agreed to.

His Honour the President resumedthe Chair and
the passing of the Bill in Committee was reported

On the motion of Senator the Honourable P. M.
Greaves, seconded by Senator the Honourable F. G.
Smith, the Bill was read a third time and passed.

His Honour the President called the sixthOrder
of the day.

6. A Bill to make permanent certainenactments
formerly continued in force from year to year by
annual Expiring Laws Continuance Acts.

Mr. President, in moving that this Bill be read a
second time, it is a habit over the years to pass a
Bill to keep into existence certain laws which were
expired by the end of the year. The reason for this
is no longer in existence and it is intended to make
these laws set out in the Schedule expire instead of
having them clutter up the Statute Book. I therefore
beg to move that this Bill be read a second time.

I beg to second that.

SENATOR W. W. BLACKMAN: I notice that the
Anglican Church (Partial Suspension) Act will go on
until the 31st March, 1969. I just want to say how
disappointed the Anglican Church is that instead of
this continuation Bill this Bill is not one that will
enable repeal so that the Church can go on. Since
1963 the then Minister responsible for Ecclesiastical
Affairs gave the Cabinet that assurance that by the
next meeting that the Church would have been free
and that disendownment and disestablishment would
have taken place. During negotiations over the past
year the Church was of the opinion that by the 1st
April, 1968 we would have everything prepared, and
the Church was prepared to start on the 1st April. I
may say that 30 or so years ago when this question
first came about there were some people who thought
that disendowment and disestablishment of the Angli-
can Church would have taken place already, and the
Church is looking forward to the passing of the enabl-
ing Bill which will bring about the disendowment and
disestablishment. My only regret is that we have not
had it yet, but we hope that as soon as possible this
will come about.

just want to assure the Honourable Senator that it will
soon come about; perhaps they are further now and
they probably do not know.

The question was put to the Senate and agreed to.

The clauses of the Bill were called and passed.
On the motion of Senator the Honourable F. G. Smith,
seconded by Senator the Honourable P. M. Greaves
the Schedule to the Bill was called and passed.

On the motion of Senator the Honourable F. G.
Smith, seconded by Senator the Honourable P. M.

-Greaves, the passing of the Bill in Committee was
reported to the Senate, and the Bill was read a third
time and passed.

His Honour the President called the seventh
Order of the day.

7. A Resolution to approve the recommendations
as contained in the Report dated 12th March, 1968
of the Committee of Privileges.

dent, it falls upon me to move that this Resolution
be approved. Copies of the report of the Committe
of Privileges have been printed and circulated, and
from the report it will be seen that the Committee
had two meetings, on the 7th and 12th March respec-
tively, when on both occasions all the members of
the Committee were present with the exception of
Senator Blackman on the 12th March.

These meetings were held for the purpose of
considering a letter addressedto His Honourthe Pre-
sident from the Leader of the House of Assembly
requesting permission on behalf of the majority
Party in that Chamber to use the ante room of the
Senate Chamber for meetings and refreshment until
the end of March.

The Committee considers that since the request
appears to be based on the premise that accommodation
in the House of Assembly and its precincts is inade-
quate, it is preferable that the matter should be refer-
red to a Joint Select Committee of both Houses of
Parliament to examine the need for improvedfacili-
ties for both Houses of Parliament.

You will notice that the "accommodation" is
spelt incorrectly. I would like to say that the report
is an honest report and would commend itself to
Honourable Members because it is basedon common
sense, and I beg to move that the Resolution be con-
curred in.
SENATOR H. F. ALKINS: I beg to secondthat.

The question was put to the Senate and agreed to.


Mr. President, I move that the Senate do now adjourn.
In seconding that I should like to thank Honourable
Senators for having shouldered their civic andpublic
duties so responsibly, especially those who are not
actively involved in Government, for having sat with
us for this long period, and I would like to go on
record as paying a tribute to them because it shows
that they are interested in the public expenditure and
their presence here at this late hour indicates this.
I wish them a very good night and a very pleasant
journey home.
The question was put to the Senate and agreed to,
and His Honour thehPresident adjourned the Senate

Statutory Instruments Supplement No. 34
Supplement to Official Gazette No. 45 dated 5th June, 1969.

S.I. 1969 No. 89

p By His Excellency Sir
/ Pi William Randolph Douglas,
d/\ night Bachelor, Acting
(o Governor-General of Barbados.

Acting Governor-General.

Whereas it is provided by section 60(1) of the Con-
stitution that each session of Parliament shall be
held at such place and commence at such time as the
Governor-General may appoint:

And Whereas it is expedient that a session of Par-
liament should be held at the Public Buildings, Bridge-
town, commencing on the 10th June, 1969:
Now, Therefore, by virtue and in exercise of the
power and authority in me vested, I, Sir 'Villiam
Randolph Douglas, Knight Bachelor, Acting Governor-
General of Barbados, do hereby appoint the Public
Buildings, Bridgetown, as the place at which a session
of Parliament shall be held and 10.00 a.m. on Tues-
day the 10th June, 1969 as the time at which the said
session shall commence.

Given under my hand and
the Public Seal of Barbados
this 4th day of June, 1969
and in the Eighteenth Year of
Her Majesty's Reign.

(M.P. 27 Vol. XVIII)

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