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VOL. CIV.


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PUBLISHED BY AUTHORITY


BRIDGETOWN, BARBADOS, 22ND MAY, 1969


TABLE OF CONTENTS
Gazette Notices
Acting Appointments:
James William Lynton as Administrative Assist-
ant, Ministry of Education.......................
V. M. Pilgrim as Accountant General,.............
Lindsay I, Worrell as Director of Public
Prosecutions........................................
Applications for Liquor Licences District "B".....
Appointments:Mis. Ina E. Inniss as Senior Clerk
James W, Lynton as Clerical Officer ............
Appointment of Assistant TradeCommissioner for
Australia: Mr. Robert Charles Mounic...........
Appointments to the Air Transport Licensing
Authority.................................................
Appointments to the posts of Clerical Officer........ 1
Companies Act 1910: In the matter of A. E. Taylor
Limited,, ................... .........
In the matter of City Garage Trading Co, Ltd.(2)
In the Supreme Court: Belgrave vs Morris............
Cheltenham vs Cheltenham; Douglas vs King 4
Edwards us Howard; Goodridge vs Yarde .......
King vs Fields; Marshall vs Barrow...... 1'
Medford vs Harper; Walkes vs Dottin....... 1
Watson vs Clarke; Watson vs Vaughan.......... 4
Licensing of Air Services (7) ................... 4'
Notices of Sitting of Licensing Authority ......-...
Notice of Special Sitting of Licensing Authority,
District "E"............................... ...........
Probate Advertisements dated 15th May, 1969......
Resignation: Cynthia Austin, Laboratory Technician,
Queen Elizabeth Hospital ........................
Temporary appointment of Minister....................
Therapeutic Substance Act, 1949.................
Withdrawal: No. 51 P.C. Rawle Shepherd, R.B.P.F.

House of Assembly Debates for 27th August, 1968.


S.I. 1969 No. 79:

S.I. 1969 No. 80:
S.I. 1969 No. 81:
S.I. 1969 No. 82:

S.I. 1969 No, 83:

S.I. 1969 No. 84:


170
170
170
185
169

170
170
69, 486
47 1
474
175.
76, 177
75, 173
77, 473
72, 476
74, 472
74- 184
185
171
488


Legal Supplement
Miscellaneous Controls (Control of Drugs
and Patent and Proprietary Medicine
Prices) (Amendment) Order, 1969.
Hotel Aids (The Village) Notice, 1969.
Hotel Aids (Hotel Tropicana) Notice, 1969.
Public Officers Loan and Travelling
Allowances (Amendment) (No.2) Regula-
tions, 1969.
Industrial Incentives (Approved Products)
(Tufted Bathroom Sets and Tufted Bed-
spreads) Order, 1969.
Declaration of Approved Enterprise (Acme
Manufacturing Company Ltd.) (Steel Franrw
Buildings, Derricks and Bridges)Orderif


NOTICE NO. 342

GOVERNMENT NOTICES
Appointments

Mrs. Ina E. Inniss, Teacher has been ap-
pointed to the post of Senior Clerk in the
General Service with effect from 1st May,
1969.

(M.P. 1310/39/8)



The following persons have been ap-
pointed to the posts of Clerical Officer in the
General Service, with effect from IstMay,
1969:-


Mr. Trevor E. Clarke

Mr. Winfield LeR. Griffith

Mr. Glenfield P. Belgrave

Mr. Anderson DeL. Murray

Mr. George M. Barnes

Mr. Jeffrey A. Headley

Mr. Roscoe W. Luke
Mr. Victor 0. Bryan

Mr. Reynold LeR, Tull


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OFFICIAL GAZETTE ~1a~ 22, 1969


GOVERNMENT NOTICES

Appointment

James W. Lynton, has been appointed to
the post of Clerical Officer, National Insur-
ance Office with effect from 24th April, 1969.

(M.P. 1310/39 Vol. XVI)


Acting Appointments

James William Lynton, Clerical Officer,
has been appointed to act as Administrative
Assistant, Ministry of Education with effect
from 24th April, 1969 until further notice.

(M.P. 1515/39/13/9)

V. M. Pilgrim, Assistant Accountant
General, Accountant General's Department,
has been appointed to act as Accountant
General, with effect from 5th May, 1969 until
further notice.

(M.P. 3173/9 Vol. II)

Lindsay I. Worrell, Senior Crown Counsel,
has been appointed to act as Director of Pub-
lic Prosecutions with effect from 12thMay,
1969.

(M.P. C. 749/1)



Appointment of Assistant Trade Com-
missioner for Australia

Mr. Robert Charles Mounichas been ap-
pointed Assistant Trade Commissioner for
Australia to Barbados, with residence in
Trinidad and Tobago, vice Mr. P. A. King who
completed his tour of duty on 24th March,
1969.


Resignation

Miss Cynthia Austin, Junior Laboratory
Technician, Queen Elizabeth Hospital, has
resigned from the Public Service with effect
from 10th May, 1969.

(M.P. P. 6545)


Forfeiture of Efficiency Medal

Private Kenneth Marshall having been
dismissed from the Barbados Regiment has,
under the provisions of regulation 10 (a) of
the Regulations made on the 24th August, 1935
in pursuance of the Royal Warrant dated the
23rd September, 1930governing the award of
the Efficiency Medal in Barbados, forfeited
the Efficiency Medal awarded to him.

(M.P. 4037 Vol. III)


Appointments to the Air Transport Licensing
Authority

In exercise of the powers vested in it by
regulation 5 of the Air Navigation (Licensing
of Air Services) Regulations, 1959 as
amended, the Cabinet has appointed the fol-
lowing persons to be members of the Air
Transport Licensing Authority for a period of
six months with effect from the 1lth day of
May, 1969:

Mr. J. Ross Weatherhead Chairman
Mr. L. R. MacGregor, C.B.E., LL.B.,
F.A.A.
Mr. Eric D. Inniss
Mr. T. E. Went
Mr. J. L. Parris
Mr. Wood Goddard
Mr. Ian DeV. Archer


(M.P. 3032/16/20 Vol. II)


OFFICIAL GAZETTE


May 22, 1969


(M.P. 9093)








~1ay 22, 1969 OFFICIAL GAZETTE


GOVERNMENT NOTICE

Withdrawal


No. 51 Police Constable Rawle Shepherd
has been granted permission to withdraw from
the Royal Barbados Police Force, with effect
from 9th May, 1969.

(M.P. 3816 Vol. VII)


NOTICE NO. 343
LIQUOR LICENCE NOTICE

Notice of Special Sitting of the Licensing
Authority

(The Liquor Licence Act, 1957 Sec. 16)

Notice is hereby given that a sitting of
the Licensing Authority for District "E"
Holetown will be held at the Magistrate's
Court, District "E" Holetown on Thursday
26th June, 1969 at 9.00 a.m. for the purpose
of Granting Licences, Renewal of Licences,
Transfers of Licences and Orders for Regis-
tration of clubs under the above Act.

Dated at the Magistrate's Court, District
"E" Holetown this 7th day of May, 1969.

W. DaC. HAYNES
Clerk to the Licensing Authority.
District "E" Holetown.

N.B. All Applications MUST reach the Mag-
istrate's Court District "E" Holetown not
later than twenty-one (21) days before date.


NOTICE NO. 344


NOTICE

In the matter of

A. E. TAYLOR LIMITED


At an extraordinary general meeting of
the above-named company, duly convened and
held at the Registered Office of the Company,
Whitehall Flats, Hastings, Christ Church,
Barbados, on the 30th day of April 1969, the
following resolution was duly passed, and at a
subsequent extraordinary general meeting of
the members of the said company, also duly
convened, and held at the same place on the
15th day of May 1969, the same resolution was
was duly confirmed as a special resolution,
namely: "That the Company be wound up
voluntarily, and that JAMES NORMAN BEAL
of Messrs Thorne, Mulholland, Howson and
McPherson, of Cockspur House, Nile Street,
Bridgetown, be appointed Liquidator for the
purposes of such winding-up".


A. M. TAYLOR
Governing Director.


Witness: A. DeC. BOYCE,
14 James Street,
Bridgetown,
Barbados,
Solicitor.


OFFICIAL GAZETTE


May 22, 1969








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NOTICE NO. 345

IN THE SUPREME COURT OF JUDICATURE

High Court

No. 30 of 1969

ALLAN ST. CLAIR WATSON: Plaintiff

ALBERTHA VAUGHAN: Defendant

The undermentioned property will be set
up for sale at the Registration Office on the
13th day of June 1969 at 2 p.m. and if not then
sold it will be set up for sale on each suc-
ceeding Friday at 2 p.m. until sold.

PROPERTY: ALL THAT certain piece
or parcel of land situate at Blades Hill in the
parish of Saint Philip in this Island contain-
ing by admeasurement Five thousand seven
hundred and thirty eight square feet or there-
abouts Abutting and Bounding on lands of
Joseph Jordan on lands of Ivy King on lands
of one Rouse on lands of one Hinkson on
lands of one Miss Reid and on a road leading
to another road which leads to the Public
Road or however else the same may abut and
bound.

UPSET PRICE: $250.000
Dated this 29th day of April 1969.

C. A. ROCHEFORD
Registrar of the Supreme Court.


NOTICE NO. 346


IN THE SUPREME COURT OF JUDICATURE

High Court

No. 34 of 1969

IDA LEILE MEDFORD Administratrix:

Plaintiff

HAMILTON ETHELBERT HARPER:

Defendant

The undermentioned property will be set
up for sale at the Registration Office on the
13th day of June 1969 at 2 p.m. and if not then
sold it will be set up for sale on each suc-
ceeding Friday at 2 p.m. until sold.

PROPERTY: ALL THAT certain piece
or parcel of land situate at Roaches in the
Parish of Saint Lucy and Island aforesaidcon-
taining by admeasurement twenty thousand
four hundred and seventy square feet or
thereabouts abutting and bounding on lands of
Elizabeth Ann Bowen on lands of the estate of
Milton Gibbons deceased on lands of Lucretia
Johnson and on the Public Road or however
else the same may abut and bound.

UPSET PRICE: $700.00
Dated this 29th day of April 1969.

C. A. ROCHEFORD
Registrar of the Supreme Court.


OFFICIAL GAZETTE


Mlay 22, 1969








IIa 22 99OFCA AET


NOTICE NO. 347

IN THE SUPREME COURT OF JUDICATURE

High Court


No. 32 of 1969

GRETA PALMYRA GOODRIDGE: Plaintiff

THELMA ELAINE YARDE: Defendant

The undermentioned property will be set
up for sale at the Registration Office on the
13th day of June 1969 at 2 p.m. and if not then
sold it will be set up for sale on each suc-
ceeding Friday at 2 p.m. until sold.

PROPERTY: ALL THAT certain piece
or parcel of land situate at Upper Collymore
Rock in the Parish of Saint Michael in the Is-
land of Barbados aforesaid containing by ad-
measurement Fifteen thousand three hundred
and ninety-three square feet or thereabouts
abutting and bounding towards the East on
lands of one Miss Riley towards the South on
lands of a place called Hazelwood towards the
West on lands of one Mr. Whitehall and to-
wards the North on the Public Road called
Collymore Rock Road or however else the
same may abut and bound.

UPSET PRICE: $5,000.00

Dated this 29th day of April 1969.

C. A. ROCHEFORD
Registrar of the Supreme Court.


NOTICE NO. 348


IN THE SUPREME COURT OF JUDICATURE

High Court


No. 10 of 1969

ANTHONY RICHARD SHILSTONE
MARSHALL: Plaintiff

INA BARROW: Defendant

The undermentioned property will be set
up for sale at the Registration Office on the
13th day of June 1969 at 2 p.m. and if not then
sold it will be set up for sale on each suc-
ceeding Friday at 2 p.m. until sold.

PROPERTY' ALL THAT certain piece
or parcel of land situate at Mahogany Lane in
the parish of Saint Michael and Island afore-
said containing by admeasurement five thous-
and nine hundred and forty two square feet
Abutting and bounding towards the North on
lands of Reynold Clarke and towards the East
on Mustor Alley towards the South on
Mahogany Lane and towards the West on lands
of Cyril Bowen and lands of the estate of
B. King deceased or however else the same
may abut and bound.

UPSET PRICE: $3,000.00

Dated this 29th day of April 1969.

C. A. ROCHEFORD
Registrar of the Supreme Court.


OFFICIAL GAZETTE


May 22, 1969








OFICA GAET ay2,6


NOTICE NO. 349
NOTICE

The Companies Act, 1910

In the matter of

CITY GARAGE TRADING CO. LIMITED

NOTICE IS hereby given in accordance
with Section 173 of the Companies Act, 1910,
that CITY GARAGE TRADING CO. LIMITED
by extraordinary resolution passed on the
Ninth day of May 1969 resolved to wind up
voluntarily.

D. G. MURRAY
Liquidator.

NOTICE NO. 350
NOTICE

The Companies Act, 1910

In the matter of

CITY GARAGE TRADING CO. LIMITED


NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that, pur-
suant to Section 176 of the Companies Act,
1910, meeting of the creditors ofthe above-
named Company will be held at the Office of
Messrs. Touche, Ross, Bovell & Skeete, Lucas
Street, Bridgetown, on Tuesday the twenty
seventh day of May 1969, at three o'clock
in the afternoon.

Dated this 15th day of May 1969.

D. G. MURRAY
Liquidator.


NOTICE NO. 351

IN THE SUPREME COURT OF JUDICATURE


High Court


No. 154 of 1969

ALLAN ST.CLAIR WATSON: Plaintiff

CONSTANCE CLARKE, Per Attorney:
Defendant

Any person having any claim, lien or
charge against the property described here-
under shall submit such claim duly authenti-
cated on oath to me on or before the 10th day
of July 1969.

PROPERTY: ALL THAT certain piece
or parcel of land situate at Whitehall in the
parish of Saint Michael in this Island contain-
ing by admeasurement One rood twenty and
one-fifth perches or thereabouts Abutting and
Bounding towards the West on lands of Sylvia
Dora Oxley towards the South on lands of
Joseph Tudor, deceased, towards the East
on a road eight feet wide separating the said
parcel of land from lands of Fitz Corbin
and towards the North on the Public Road
leading to Cave Hill and Spooners Hill or
however else the same may abut and bound.

VALUE OF PROPERTY: $3,000.00

Dated this 21st day of April 1969.

C. A. ROCHEFORD
Registrar of the Supreme Court.


May 22, 1969


. OFFICIAL GAZETTE








May.. 22 199OFCA AET


NOTICE NO. 352


IN THE SUPREME COURT OF JUDICATURE


High Court


No. 22 of 1969

LORTON EGBERT EDWARDS: Plaintiff

EDWIN EDGAR HOWARD: Defendant

The undermentioned property will be set
up for sale at the Registration Office on the
13th day of June 1969 at 2 p.m. and if not then
sold it will be set up for sale on each suc-
ceeding Friday at 2 p.m. until sold.

PROPERTY: ALL THAT certain piece
or parcel of land situate at Sealy Hall in the
parish of Saint John and Island aforesaid con-
taining by admeasurement one acre or there-
abouts abutting and bounding on lands late of
R. Harewood but now of James Jones on lands
now or late of Sealy Hall Plantation on lands
late of Joseph C. Gittens but now of Irvine
Davis and on a road formerly a Road in com-
mon but now a Public Road which separates
the land hereinbefore described from lands of
R. H. Smith or however else the same may
abut and bound.

UPSET PRICE: $1,000.00

Dated this 29th day of April 1969.

C. A. ROCHEFORD
Registrar of the Supreme Court.


NOTICE NO. 353

IN THE SUPREME COURT OF JUDICATURE

High Court
No. 12 of 1969

ALBERTINE ALBERTHA BELGRAVE:
Plaintiff

ALFRED AUGUSTUS MORRIS: Defendant

The undermentioned property will be set
up for sale at the Registration Office on the
13th day of June 1969 at 2 p.m. and if not then
sold it will be set up for sale on each suc-
ceeding Friday at 2 p.m. until sold.

PROPERTY: ALL THAT certain piece
or parcel of land situate at Boscobel in the
Parish of Saint Peter and Island aforesaid
containing by admeasurement Sixty seven
thousand three hundred and forty one square
feet or thereabouts (inclusive of two hundred
and forty -one square feet in the area of a
Right of Way Four feet wide intersecting the
said land and leading to lands of E. Williams
Abutting and bounding on the Public Road
on lands of E. Beckles, S. 0. Belgrave,
M. Hewittand E. Williams on lands of Martha
Seale and on another Public Road or however

else the same may abut and bound.

UPSET PRICE: $2,000.00

Dated this 29th day of April 1969

C. A. ROCHEFORD
Registrar of the Supreme Court.


May 22, 1969


OFFICIAL GAZETTE








OFIILGAET ay2,16


NOTICE NO. 354

IN THE SUPREME COURT OF JUDICATURE

High Court

No. 28 of 1969

HUGH CLARENCE WALKES: Plaintiff

ANTILLINE CLARADINE DOTTIN:
Defendant

The undermentioned property will be set
up for sale at the Registration Office onthe
13th day of June 1969 at 2 p.m. and if not then
sold it will be set up for sale on each suc-
ceeding Friday at 2 p.m. until sold.

PROPERTY: FIRSTLY ALL THAT cer-
tain piece or parcel of land situate at
St. Simons in the Parish of Saint Andrewin
this Island containing by admeasurementOne
acre One Rood, or thereabouts Abutting and
Bounding on lands of Joseph Collymoreand
separated therefrom by a Road on land- of
Winston Sandiford on lands of Haggatts
Plantation and separated therefrom by a road
AND SECONDLY ALL THAT certain piece or
parcel of land situate atSt. Simons in the par-
ish of Saint Andrew and Island aforesaid con-
taining by admeasurement Three Roods three
Perches or thereabouts Abutting on lands now
or late of Sarah Springer, Mrs. Rosalin
Catlin, Joseph Hall, Ellen Lewis, Edmund
Walkes, and Albert Licorish and on the Public
Road or however else the same may abut and
bound.


UPSET PRICES: $1,500.00
$1,000.00

Dated this 29th day of April 1969.

C. A. ROCHEFORD
Registrar of the Supreme Court.


NOTICE NO. 355

IN THE SUPREME COURT OF JUDICATURE

Hfgh Court

No. 152 of 1969
OWEN EUCLID CHELTENHAM: Plaintiff

ALBERT CONRAD CHELTENHAM:
Defendant

Any person having any claim, lien or
charge against the property described here-
under shall submit such claim duly authenti-
cated on oath to me on or before the 10th day
of July 1969.

PROPERTY: ALL THAT certain piece
or parcel of land situate at Orange Hill in the
parish of Saint James in this Island contain-
ing by admeasurement 18 perches of land or
thereabouts be the same more or less abutt-
ing and bounding on the South on lands of
Sarah E. Payne on the West on lands of Sarah
E. Payne, on the. East on lands of Oliver
Downes, on the North on lands of Alexander
Searles and on the Public Road or however
else the same may abut and bound. SECOND-
LY, AL THAT certain piece or parcel of
land situate at Orange Hill in the Parish of
Saint James in this Island containing by ad-
measurement 37 perches of land or there-
abouts be the same more or less abutting and
bounding on South of the Public Road, on the
West on lands of Sarah E. Payne, on the East
onlands of Abraham Holder, deceased, on the
North on lands of Sarah E. Payne or however
else the same may abut and bound.

VALUE OF PROPERTIES: $ 600.00
$1,500.00
Dated this 21st day of April 1969.

C. A. ROCHEFORD
Registrar of the Supreme Court.


OFFICIAL GAZETTE


May 22, 1969








av 22. 1969O


NOTICE NO. 356

IN THE SUPREME COURT OF JUDICATURE

High Court

No. 137 of 1969

KATHERINE LOUISE DOUGLAS (since de-
ceased) and WILLIAM RANDOLPH
DOUGLAS, Administrator of the Estate of
KATHERINE LOUISE DOUGLAS:
Plaintiff

deceased, (added pursuant to Order dated
the 4th day of February 1969) and

IRVING JEROME KING: Defendant

The undermentioned property will be set
up for sale at the Registration Office on the
13th day of June 1969 at 2 p.m. and if not then
sold it will be set up for sale on each suc-
ceeding Friday at 2 p.m. until sold.

PROPERTY: FIRST ALL THAT cer-
tain piece or parcel of land situate at Gibbons
in the parish of Christ Church in this Island
containing by admeasurement Six thousand
seven hundred and forty-five square feet or
thereabouts (of which area 718 square feet
are contained in the public road leading to
Pegwell) Butting and Bounding towards the
East on lands of G. Seale towards the South
and the West on lands of Edna Ward and to-
wards the North on other portions of the said
public road or however else the same may
abut and bound and SECONDLY ALL THAT
certainpiece or parcel of land likewise situate
at Gibbons in the said parish of Christ Church
in this Island containing by admeasurement
Ninety-three thousand three hundred and
twenty-six square feet or thereabouts (of
which area 990 square feet are contained in
in the said public road which leads to Pegwell)
Butting and Bounding on lands of L. C. Best,


of Gibbons Plantation, of one Nurse, of one
Lovell, of one Millington, of one Grant, of
F. Ward and of E. C. Douglas and on other
portions of the said public road or however
else the same may abut and bound.
UPSET PRICES: $ 212.00
$3,602.00

Dated this 29th day of April 1969.

C. A. ROCHEFORD
Registrar of the Supreme Court.



NOTICE NO. 357

IN THE SUPREME COURT OF JUDICATURE

High Court

No. 153 of 1969

JOHN WINSTON KING: Plaintiff

UNA ELDICA FIELDS: Defendant

Any person having any claim, lien or
charge against the property described here-
under shall submit such claim duly authenti-
cated on oath to me on or before the 10th day
of July 1969.

PROPERTY: ALL THAT certain piece
or parcel of land situate at Foul Bay in the
parish of Saint Philip and Island aforesaid
containing by admeasurement 3 Roods 20
Perches or thereabouts BUTTING AND
BOUNDING on lands now or late of E. S.
Fields, J. McConney, M. Greenidge or how-
ever else the same may butt and bound.

VALUE OF PROPERTY: $3,000.00

Dated this 21st day of April 1969.

C. A. ROCHEFORD
Registrar of the Supreme Court.


OFFICIAL GAZETTE


May 22, 1969










Government Notice



LICENSING OF AIR SERVICES



The Air Transport Licensing Authority give notice that they have received the
under-mentioned application to operate a Schedule Air Service:


1. Name and address of
Applicant:


2. Places between which
passengers and goods are
to be carried:

3. Places at which inter-
mediate landings are to
be made and the purposes
for which made:

4. Times or frequency of
the service:

5. Period for which the
Licence is applied for:

6. Latest date for making
representations or
objections:


British West Indian Airways Limited
Kent House, Long Circular Road,
Maraval, Port-of-Spain, Trinidad.




Trinidad/Toronto

(a) For traffic purposes Barbados/Antigua
(b) Weather alternates Montreal;
London; Ontario; Bermuda; Antigua;
Barbados; Trinidad.

Three (3) flights weekly




One year




5th June, 1969.


This Application will be considered by the Air Transport Licensing Authority
in accordance with the provisions of the Air Navigation (Licensing of Air Services)Regu-
lations, 1959. Any representations or objections with regard to this application must be
made in writing, stating the specific grounds on which they are based and any conditions
which it may be desired shall be attached to the Licence, if granted. They should be ad-
dressed to the Secretary, Air Transport Licensing Authority, C/o Prime Minister's Of-
fice, Government Headquarters, Bay Street, and a copy sent to the applicant at the same
time. Further details of the application may be obtained from the Secretary.


May 22, 1969


OFFICIAL GAZETTE










Government Notice


LICENSING OF AIR SERVICES


The Air Transport Licensing Authority give notice that they have received the
under-mentioned application to operate a Schedule Air Service:


1. Name and Address of
Applicant:




2. Places between which
passengers and goods
are to be carried:

3. Places at which inter-
mediate landings are to
be made and the purposes
for which made:

4. Times or frequency of
the service:

5. Period for which the
Licence is applied for:

6. Latest date for making
representations or
objections:


Venezolana Internacional de Aviacion,
S.A. Edificio Seguros Caracas, 50
piso Marron a Dr. Paul, Caracas,
Venezuela.




Barbados/London

(a) Traffic purposes Madrid
(b) Weather alternates Barcelona.





Once weekly


5 years




5th June, 1969.


This Application will be considered by the Air Transport Licensing Authority
in accordance with the provisions of the Air Navigation (Licensing of Air Services) Regu-
lations, 1959. Any representations or objections with regard to this application must be
made in writing, stating the specific grounds on which they are based and any conditions
which it may be desired shall be attached to the Licence, if granted. They should be ad-
dressed to the Secretary, Air Transport Licensing Authority, C/o Prime Minister's Of-
fice, Government Headquarters, Bay Street, and a copy sent to the applicant at the same
time. Further details of the application may be obtained from the Secretary.


May 22, 1969


OFFICIAL GAZETTE










Government Notice



LICENSING OF AIR SERVICES



The Air Transport Licensing Authority give notice that they have received the
under-mentioned application to operate a Schedule Air Service:


1. Name and Address of
Applicant:

2. Places between which
passengers and goods
are to be carried:

3. Places at which inter-
mediate landings are.to
made and the purposes
for which made:

4. Times or frequency of
the service:

5. Period for which the Licence
is applied for:

6. Latest date for making
representations or
objections:


Pan American. World Airways, Inc.
Pan Am Building, New York, N.Y. 10017, U.S.A.


New York/Barbados


(a) For traffic purposes Antigua
(b) Weather alternates Port-of-Spain,
Antigua, Pointe-a-Pitre, Fort de France.


Once daily


5 years





5th June, 1969.


This Application will be considered by the Air Transport Licensing Authority
in accordance with the provisions of the Air Navigation (Licensing of Air Services) Regu-
lations, 1959. Any representations or objections with regard to this application must be
made in writing, stating the specific grounds on which they are based and any conditions
which it may be desired shall be attached to the Licence, if granted. They should be ad-
dressed to the Secretary, Air Transport Licensing Authority, C/o Prime Minister's Of-
fice, Government Headquarters, Bay Street, and a copy sent to the applicant at the same
time. Further details of the application may be obtained from the Secretary.


OFFICIAL GAZETTE


May 22, 1969










Government Notice



LICENSING OF AIR SERVICES



The Air Transport Licensing Authority give notice that they have received the
under-mentioned application to operate a Schedule Air Service:


1. Name and Address of
Applicant:

2. Places between which
passengers and goods
are to be carried:

3. Places at which inter-
mediate landings are to
made and the purposes
for which made:

4. Times or frequency of
the service:

5. Period for which the
Licence is applied for:

6. Latest date for making
representations or
objections:


Pan American World Airways, Inc.
Pan Am Building, New York, N.Y. 10017 U.SA.


New York/Barbados


(a) For traffic purposes Nil
(b) Weather alternates Port-of-Spain
Antigua, Pointe-a-Pitre; Fort de France.


Once daily




5 years




5th June, 1969.


This Application will be considered by the Air Transport Licensing Authority
in accordance with the provisions of the Air Navigation (Licensing of Air Services) Regu-
lations, 1959. Any representations or objections with regard to this application must be
made in writing, stating the specific grounds on which they are based and any conditions
which it may be desired shall be attached to the Licence, if granted. They should be ad-
dressed to the Secretary, Air Transport Licensing Authority, C/o Prime Minister's Of-
fice, Government Headquarters, Bay Street, and a copy sent to the applicant at the same
time. Further details of the application may be obtained from the Secretary.


May 22, 1969


OFFICIAL GAZETTE










Government Notice



LICENSING OF AIR SERVICES


The Air Transport Licensing Authority give notice that they have received the
under-mentioned application to operate a Schedule Air Service:


1. Name and Address of
Applicant:

2. Places between which
passengers and goods
are to be carried:

3. Places at which inter-
mediate landings are
to be made and the
purposes for which made:

4. Times or frequency of
the service:

5. Period for which the
Licence is applied for:

6. Latest date for making
representations or
objections:


Pan American World Airways, Inc.
Pan Am Building, New York, N.Y, 10017, U.S.A.




Barbados/Belem

(a) For traffic purposes Port-of-Spain,
Georgetown, Paramaribo;
(b) Weather alternates Port-of-Spain,
Antigua, Pointe-a-Pitre, Fort de France.

Twice weekly




5 years


5th June, 1969.


This Application will be considered by the Air Transport Licensing Authority
in accordance with the provisions of the Air Navigation (Licensing of Air Services) Regu-
lations, 1959. Any representations or objections with regard to this application must be
made in writing, stating the specific grounds on which they are based and any conditions
which it may be desired shall be attached to the Licence, if granted. They should be ad-
dressed to the Secretary, Air Transport Licensing Authority, C/o Prime Minister's Of-
fice, Government Headquarters,. Bay Street, and a copy sent to the applicant at the same
time. Further details of the application may be obtained from the Secretary.


OFFICIAL GAZETTE


May 22, 1969










Government Notice



LICENSING OF AIR SERVICES



The Air Transport Licensing Authority give notice that they have received the
under-mentioned application to operate a Schedule Air Service:


1. Name and address of
applicant:


2. Places between which
passengers and goods are
to be carried:

3. Places at which inter-
mediate landings are to
be made and the purposes
for which made:

4. Times or frequency of
the service:

5. Period for which the
Licence is applied for:

6. Latest date for making
representations or
objections:


Venezolana Internacional de Aviacion,
S.A., Edificio Seguros Caracas,
50 piso Marron a Dr. Paul, Caracas,
Venezuela.


Barbados/Caracas

(a) Traffic purposes Nil
(b) Weather alternate Curacao


once weekly




5 years


5th June, 1969


This Application will be considered by the Air Transport Licensing Authority
in accordance with the provisions of the Air Navigation (Licensing of Air Services) Regu-
lations, 1959. Any representations or objections with regard to this application must be
made in writing, stating the specific grounds on which they are based and any conditions
which it may be desired shall be attached to the Licence, if granted. They should be ad-
dressed to the Secretary, Air Transport Licensing Authority, C/o Prime Minister's Of-
fice, Government Headquarters, Bay Street, and a copy sent to the applicant at the same
time. Further details of the application may be obtained from the Secretary.


OFFICIAL GAZETTE


May 22, 1969










Government Notice



LICENSING OF AIR SERVICES


The Air Transport Licensing Authority give notice that they have received the
under-mentioned application to operate a Schedule Air Serviec:


1. Name and Address of
Applicant:

2. Places between which
passengers and goods are
to be carried:


3. Places at which inter-
mediate landings are to
be made and the purposes
for which made:

4. Times or frequency of
the service:

5. Period for which the
Licence is applied for:

6. Latest date for making
representations or
objections:


Pan American World Airways, Inc.
Pan Am Building, New York, N.Y. 10017, U.S.A.


Miami/Barbados




(a) For traffic purposes San Juan, Antigua


(b) Weather alternates Port-of-Spain,
Antigua, Pointe-a-Pitre, Forte de France.


Once daily


5 years


5th June, 1969.


This Application will be considered by the Air Transport Licensing Authority
in accordance with the provisions of the Air Navigation (Licensing of Air Services) Regu-
lations, 1959. Any representations or objections with regard to this application must be
made in writing, stating the specific grounds on which they are based and any conditions
which it may be desired shall be attached to the Licence, if granted. They should be ad-
dressed to the Secretary, Air Transport Licensing Authority, C/o Prime Minister's Of-
fice, Government Headquarters, Bay Street, and a copy sent to the applicant at the same
time. Further details of the application may be obtained from the Secretary.


OFFICIAL GAZETTE


May 22, 1969








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NOTICE NO. 358
LIQUOR LICENCE NOTICE
(Act 1957 40)
\PPLICANT: CHARLES PRICE
)CCUPATION: Shop-keeper
\DDRESS: Charles Rowe Bridge,
St. George.
PREMISES: A wall building & Board
attached situated at
Charles Rowe Bridge,
in the parish of
Saint George.


Dated this 31st day of March 1969.

Signed: CHARLES PRICE
Applicant.

This Application for a Retail Liquor Li-
cence willbe considered at a Licensing Court
to be held at Magistrate's Cqurt District "B"
on Monday the 23rd day of June 1969 at 9
o'clock a.m.

F. G. HAREWOOD
Clerk to Licensing Authority.


NOTICE NO. 359

Notice of Sitting of Licensing Authority

(The Liquor Licence Act 1957 Sec. 16)

Notice is hereby given that a sitting of
the Licensing Authority for District "B" will
be held at Magistrate's Court, District "B"
on Monday the 23rd day of June, 1969
at 9.00 o'clock a.m. for the purpose of Grant-
ing Licences, Transfers of Licences, and
Orders for Registration of Clubs under the
above Acts.

Dated at Magistrate's Court District,
"B' on this 16th day of May, 1969.

N.B. All Applications MUST reach the
Magistrate's Court District "B" not later
than 22nd May, 1969.

F. G. HAREWOOD
Clerk to Licensing Authority.


NOTICE NO. 360

LIQUOR LICENCE NOTICE
(Act 1957 40)


APPLICANT:
OCCUPATION:
ADDRESS:
PREMISES:


NORMA JACKMAN
Shop-keeper
St. Barnabas, St. Michael
Wall and Galvanised
building, situated at
Seawell Airport,
Christ Church.


Dated this 28th day of April 1969.

Signed: NORMA JACKMAN
Applicant.

This Application for a Transfer Liquor
Licence from McDonald Trotman to Norma
Jackman will be considered at a Licensing
Court to be held at Magistrate's Court Dist-
trict "B" on Monday the 23rd day of June 1969
at 9 o'clock a.m.


F. G. HAREWOOD
Clerk to Licensing Authority.


NOTICE NO. 361

Notice of Sitting of Licensing Authority

(The Liquor Licence Act 1957 Sec. 16)

Notice is hereby given that a sitting of
the Licensing Authority for District "C" will
be held at the Magistrate's Court, District
"C" on Friday the 20th June, 1969 at:
9.00 o'clock a.m. for the purpose of GRANT-
ING LICENCES, TRANSFERS OF LICENCES
and ORDERS FOR THE REGISTRATION OF
CLUBS under the above Act.

Dated at Magistrate's Court District
"C", this 14th day of May, 1969.


W. C. MARSHALL
Clerk to the Licensing Authority.
District "C".

N. B. All Applications MUST be in not later
than Friday 30th May, 1969.


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May 22, 1969


OFFICIAL GAZETTE











Government Notice

APPOINTMENTS


The following persons have been appointed to the posts of Clerical Of-
ficer in the General Service with effect from 1st May, 1969:-


Miss Joan A. Cumberbatch
Miss Rosalind I. Linton
Miss Lenora E. Small
Miss Monica L. Straker
Miss Pauline V. Jones
Miss Brenda A. Barton
Miss Mary M. Weekes
Miss Barbara E. Yearwood


Miss Carmen E. Barton
Miss Sheila E. Alleyne
Miss Marva E. Jordan
Miss Cleopatra A. Greenidge
Miss Normel U. Hinkson
Miss Valrita T. Murphy
Miss Orwin Brathwaite
Miss Jacqueline F. Jordan


(M.P. 1310/39 Vol. XVI)


GOVERNMENT NOTICES

Temporary Appointment of Minister

In pursuance of section 68 of the Consti-
tution of Barbados, His Excellency the
Governor-General has been pleased to appoint
The Right Honourable E. W. Barrow, M.P.,
to perform the functions of the Minister of
Home Affairs during the period 14th to 19th
May, 1969, consequent on the absence from
Barbados of Senator The Honourable P. M.
Greaves.


Therapeutic Substances Act, 1949

The following firm has been added to the
list of manufacturing firms approved for the
importation of any drug or therapeutic sub-
stance into Barbados:-

Rachelle Laboratories Inc.,
700 Henry Ford Avenue,
Long Beach,
California,
U.S.A.


(M.P. 8682/18 Vol. III)


OFFICIAL GAZETTE


May 22, 1969


(M.P. 23B2)











Government Notice


NOTICE OF WAGES REGULATION (SHOP ASSISTANTS) PROPOSALS


The Shops Wages Council established by virtue of the Wages Council
(Shops)Order, 1958, hereby gives notice in accordance with the provisions of
the Wages Council (Notices) (No. 2) Regulations 1959 of its intention to resub-
mit amended wages regulation proposals to the Minister responsible for
Labour.

2. Copies of the propos-ls may be obtained from the Secretary, Shops
Wages Council, C/o Labour Division, Ministry of Agriculture, Labour and
National Insurance, "Herbert House", Fontabelle, St. Michael.

3. Written representations with respect to the proposals may be sent at
anytime within a period of fourteen days commencing with effect from the 19th
May, 1969 to the Secretary of the Shops Wages Council at the address stated in
paragraph 2 of this Notice.



Dated this 15th day of May 1969.



E. C. QUINTYNE
Secretary,
Shop Wages Council.


May 22, 1969


OFFICIAL GAZETTE











PROBATE ADVERTISEMENTS

PUBLIC NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that applications have been made
for the following Grants of Probate and Administration namely :-


PROBATE of the Will dated the 20th day of August, 1965, of GOULBOURNE ELEAZAR
SKINNER, late of Passage Gardens in the parish of Saint Michael in this Island who
died on the 2nd day of December, 1967, by WINIFRED SKINNER, one of the Execu-
tors named in the Will of the said deceased.

PROBATE of the Will dated the 1lth day of March, 1953, ofPERMALL GOVINDEN, lateof
Sea-Gale-Spy, Brittons Cross Road in the parish of Saint Michael in this Island who
died on the 27th day of December, 1968, by STELLA GOVINDEN, the sole Executrix
named in the Will of the said deceased.

LETTERS OF ADMINISTRATION to the Estate of RUBY GWENDOLYN GOODING late of
Mayers Road, My Lords Hill in the parish of Saint Michael in this Island whodied
on the 27th day of April, 1967, by GARNET CARL GOODING, son of the said deceased.

LETTERS OF ADMINISTRATION to the Estate of JAMES CHRISTOPHER NATHANIEL
DOTTIN late of Rock Hall in the parish of Saint James in this Island who died on the
25th day of October, 1958, by GERTRUDE ELVIRA DOTTIN, widow of the said de-
ceased.

LETTERS OF ADMINISTRATION to the Estate of GEORGE DUNCAN EASTMOND late of
Bank Hall in the parish of Saint Michael in this Island who died on the 24th day of
September, 1964, by CLYDE MELVILLE DUNCAN EASTMOND, son of the said de-
ceased.

UNLESS CAVEAT is lodged within fourteen days from the date of this Advertise-
ment with the Registrar of the Supreme Court through whom the above named Applications
have been made Probate and Administration will be granted accordingly.

Dated this 15th day of May 1969.


C. A. ROCHEFORD
Registrar.


Government Printing Office.


OFFICIAL GAZETTE


May 22, 1969











THE


House of Assembly Debates




(OFFICIAL REPORT)


SECOND SESSION OF 1966 71
*1*


HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY
Tuesday, .27th August, 1%68

Pursuant to the adjournment, the House of As-
sembly met at 12.15 p.m. o'clock today.

PRESENT

His Honour J. E. T. BRANCKER, Q.C., F.Z.S., (Speaker)
Hon. C. E. TALMA, (Minister of Health and Community Develop-
ment); Hon. J,. C. TUDOR, M.A. (Leader of the House);;MrLJ,.W.
CORBIN, J.P.; Hon. G. G.. FERGUSSON, (Minister of Trade,
Tourism, Cooperatives and Fisheries); Mr. R. ST.C. WEEKES
J.P.; Mn. W. R. LOWE, J.P.; Hon. N,. W. BOXILL, (Minister of
Communications and Works); Mr. W. C. B. HINDS; Mr. C. A. E,
HOPPIN, J.P. and Mr. L. S. CRAIG.

Prayers were read.


MINUTES

Mr. SPEAKER: I am afraid that, again, there
are no Minutes available for confirmation.

I have the honour to inform the House that I
have received, with the compliments of Messrs.
Fitzpatrick Graham & Co., Chartered Accountants,
the Sugar Industry Agricultural Bank Report and Ac-
counts at the 30th June, 1968.

DOCUMENTS TO BE LAID

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: Mr. Speaker, I have to ask
leave to defer the laying of Papers and the giving of
Notices until later.

Mr. SPEAKER: Permission is granted.

NOTICES OF RESOLUTIONS

Mr. SPEAKER: The hon. senior member for St.
James is to give notice of a Resolution.

Mr. CRAIG: Mr. Speaker, I do not propose to
carry on with this Resolution.

Mr. SPEAKER: The hon. member does not pro-
pose to give notice of the Resolution.


NOTICES OF QUESTIONS

Mr. SPEAKER: The hon. senior member for St.
James; his question re the devaluation of sterling.

Mr. CRAIG: Mr. Speaker, to enquire of the Min-
ister of Finance:

Will the Minister state whether he authorised
a recently reported statement by the Minister of
Communications and Works to the effect that another
devaluation of Sterling is likely to occur in the near
future?

Mr. SPEAKER: The same hon. member; his
question re subsistence allowance to the Chairman
of the Transport Board.

Mr. CRAIG: Mr. Speaker, it should be the Chair-
man of the Tourist Board.

Mr. SPEAKER: Yes.

Mr. CRAIG: Mr. Speaker,toenquire of the ap-
propriate Minister:

Will the Minister state the total sum paid by
Government as subsistence allowance to the present
Chairman of the Tourist Board in respect of trips
made by him outside the Island during his term of
office?

Mr. SPEAKER: The same hon. member; his
question re District Hospital at Holetown, St. James.

Mr. CRAIG: Mr. Speaker, to enquire of the Min-
ister of Health:-

Is the Minister aware that there is urgent need
for a District Hospital at Holetown, St. James?

2. Will the Minister treat the provision of such
a Hospital at Holetown as an urgent priority?

Mr. SPEAKER: The same hon. member; his
i question re Housing Scheme at St. Matthias Gap,
Christ Church.

Mr. CRAIG: Mr. Speaker, to enquire of the ap-
propriate Minister:


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2009


Is the Minister aware that the disposal of sewage
at the Housing Scheme at St. Matthias Gap, Christ
Church leaves much to be desired?

2. Will the Minister look into the matter
with a view to correcting same as quickly as possi-
ble?

Mr. SPEAKER: The same hon. member; his
question re Upper Carlton, St. James.

Mr. CRAIG: Mr. Speaker, to enquire of the ap-
propriate Minister: -

Will the Minister direct his attention as soon as
possible to the repairs of the road at Upper Carlton
St. James, the subject matter of Question No. 19
asked by the hon. senior member for St. James on
the 21st February, 1967?

2. Will the Minister state when it is likely
that the replies to the said Question No. 19 will be
laid on the Table of the House?

DOCUMENTS TO BE LAID

Mr. SPEAKER: Government Notices which were,
by my permission, deferred until the arrival of the
Despatch boxes,may nowbe given, if the Hon. Leader
of the House is so disposed.

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: Mr. Speaker, on behalf of
the Hon. and Learned Prime Minister, Minister of
Finance and Minister of External Affairs I am com-
manded to lay the Civil Establishment (General)
(Amendment) (No. 6) Order, 1968.

The Drawback of Duties (Florida State of Uni-
versity) Regulations, 1968.

The Consumption Tax (No. 2) Order, 1968.

The Customs Duties (Amendment) (No. 2) Order,
1968.

Statement showing Net Customs and Excise Re -
ceipts for four months ended 31st July, 1968.

GOVERNMENT NOTICES

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: Mr. Speaker, on behalf of
the Hon. and Learned Prime Minister, Minister of
Finance and Minister of External Affairs, I beg to
give notice of the following Resolutions:

A Resolution to place the sum of $22,739 at the
disposal of the Government to supplement the Esti-
mates 1968-69, Part I, Current as shown in the
Supplementary Estimates 1968-69 No. 22 which form
the Schedule to the Resolution.

A Resolution to place the sum of $2,099 at the
disposal of the Government to supplement the Esti-
mates 1968-69, Part I Current, as shown in the
Supplementary Estimates 1968-69 No. 23 which form
the Schedule to the Resolution.


AResolutionto approve the Civil Establishment
(General) (Amendment) No. 6 Order, 1968.

A Resolution to place the sum of $9,900 at the
disposal of the Government to supplement the Esti-
mates 1968-69, Part I Current, as shown in the
Supplementary Estimates 1968-69 No. 24 which form
the Schedule to the Resolution.

AResolutionto place the sum of $112,170 at the
disposal of the Government to supplement the Esti-
mates 1968-69, Part I Current as shown in the
Supplementary Estimates 1968-69 No. 25 which form
the Schedule to the Resolution.
12.25 p.m.

COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: Mr. Speaker, I beg to give
notice of my intention to move the House into Com-
mittee of Supply at its next meeting to deal with the
Money Resolutions of which I have just given notice.

Also on behalf of the Hon. and Learned Prime
Minister, Minister of Finance and Minister of Ex-
ternal Affairs, I beg to give notice of the following:-

Bill to provide that the half-cent coin issued by
the British Caribbean Currency Board shall not be
legal tender as from a day to be appointed by the
Minister responsible for Finance.

Also on my own behalf, I beg to give notice of
the following:-

A Bill to amend the Commissioners of Probates
Act, 1903.

BILLS READ A FIRST TIME
On the motion of Hon. J.. C.. TUDOR, second ded by Hon,.
C. E. TA'LMA, a Bill to provide that the half-cent coin issued
by the British Currency Board shall not be legal tender as from a
day to be appointed by the Minister responsible for Finance was
read a first time.

On the motion of Hon. J. C, TUDOR seconded by Hon.
C. E.. TALMA, a Bill to amend the Commissioners of Probates
Act, 1903, was read a first time.


COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY

Mr. SPEAKER: Order No. 1 stands in the name
of the Hon. Leader of the House, and it is to move
the House into Committee of Supply to consider the
grants of sums of money for the service of the Island.

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: Mr. Speaker, I beg to move
that Your Honour do now leave the Chair and the
House go into Committee of Supply.

Hon. C. E. TALMA: I beg to second that.

The question was put andresolved in the affirmative with-
out division, and Mr. SPEAKER left the Chair i and the House
went into Committee of Supply, Ms. YEARWOOD in the Chair.







2010


SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE 1968-69 No. 21

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: Mr. Chairman, this sum is
required to meet expenses incurred by the Minister
of Communications and Works during the financial
period 1964-65 to 1966-67. These are sums of money
which were not then expended in those financial years
because the claims for payment were not submitted
within the respective financial years, and the funds
lapsed. It is now necessary to complete these sundry'
payments and the sum of $6,704 is now required.

I beg to move that this Resolution do now pass.

Hon. C. E. TALMA: I beg to second that.

Mr. HINDS: Mr. Chairman, one would have
thought that in a Resolution of this sort the Leader of
the House would have been in a position or would
have thought it absolutely necessary to tell us on this
side of the House what are these expenses in detail.
I do believe that the Hon. Minister will show some
willingness to give us the replies now that he has been
asked, but in order to prevent discussion the Minis -
ter owes it to us to treat us in a much better fashion
in dealing with matters of this sort. Now, this Reso-
lution is in respect of sums of money due to City
firms or otherwise for the periods 1964-65 to 1966-
67. We are now in the period 1968-69, but evidently
the Minister is trying to test our ability to glean in-
formation or to prove how well we do our homework.
I am willing at every stage to show the Minister that
I am prepared to do my homework in respect of any
legislative matter that is brought before this House.

Some of the work for which the Minister now
seeks to settle outstanding claims we know was done
at Combermere School, St. Michael's Girls' School,
St. John the Baptist School and Pine Primary School;
and what we want to hear from the Minister is why
he did not come to the House in the following year to
settle claims in respect of 1964-65, and why did he
not come in 1967-68 in respect of the claims for
1966-67. I want to warn the Minister not to tell this
House that the bills were received late and that is
why he did not come last year, because that would not
be true. Nobody, I feel, would want to go against this
Resolution, but we just want the Minister to give us
some more detail and let us know what he has on his
file in respect of these sums, and particularly when
were these bills or claims received by the Ministry
of Communications and Works. Why is it that he has
had to wait so long, particularly in respect of claims
for work done in 1964-657 I would like to hear what
the Minister has to say.

Mr. HOPPIN: Mr. Chairman, I would just like to
make a slight point on this matter in reference to
what the last speaker said. I know that in settling ac-
counts you must have a Requisition order as well as
the proposed bills, and I do feel that the reason why
this has lapsed is because there must have been some
misplacement of the Requisition order or the proposed
bills. I know that these things have to accompany the
money to make the payment complete, and I feel that
the reason for the delay in settlement of bills of this


sort is either that the Requisition order or the bill
might have been misplaced somewhere, and that is
why the Government has probably now come across
both of them and is settling them. However, I was
only throwing some.light on the matter because I have
hadsome experience in the Public Works Department,
having-worked there as a clerk, and one could not
settle an account without the Requisition order ac-
companying the bill.

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: Mr. Chairman, it seems as
though both hon. members by their speeches know
exactly as much about this matter as I do. The point
is that the Ministry of Communications and Works
undertakes the building programme of other Minis-
tries. In this instance, the Ministry of Communica-
tions and Works has asked for this money which is a
revote, because they have claimed, and there is
evidence to prove it here on the file, that in some in-
stances the bills were not submitted within the finan-
cial years.
12.35 p.m.

In addition to this, so far as the Ministry of Fi-
nance is concerned, perhaps, due to faulty inter-
departmental team work, the Ministry of Finance had
no inkling that revotes would be necessary before the
end of the last financial year, and consequently, the
Estimates were made up and approved and passed in
this House before this matter could be attended to.
That is why the revotes are necessary now. The hon.
junior member for St. Peter anticipated me I do
not know how he managed it but he anticipated me
in some respects, because I had intended in my reply
to give a breakdown of the amounts, and also to give
hon. members some idea of the variety and size of
the individual bills.

There is anamount of $392, an unpaid bill in con-
nection with the Springer Memorial; $32.12 in con-
nection with the St. John The Baptist School; an
amount of $3,586.01 in connection with the St. Eliza-
beth School; $259.25 in connection with the Comber-
mere School; $865.58 in connection with St. Michael's
Girls'; $1,433.84 in connection with the Pine Primary
and $135 in connection with the Holy Innocents. The
firms range from Barbados Asphalt, Electric Sales
and Service, Western Plastic, Stokes and Bynoe,
Harriman, Herbert, Barbados Hardware, Socony
Paints, Plantation Coral Stone Products, Waterworks
Department, Plantations Limited, Manning & Com-
pany, Building Supplies, Da Costa & Mussons, Auto
Tyre Company,West Indies Suppliers, Western Plas-
tic Engineering, Burnup and Sims, A. S. Bryden,
L. G. Williams Marketing, and so on.


Obviously, Mr. Chairman, this is not the tidiest
way of Government accounting, but I wish to assure
hon. members that this is a revote and nothing else.
The bills have come in since the beginning of this
financial year.

Mr. HINDS: On a point of order, Mr. Chairman,
I would like the Minister to withdraw that statement
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record at all. It is definitely not the case that the
bills came in since the beginning of this financial
year.

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: Mr. Chairman, if the hon.
member has information which is not now in my
possession, it is entirely up to him to give that in-
formation to the Committee. I am saying that, on the
basis of information supplied to me on the official
documents, the bills have come in after this finan-
cial year. Had they come in before, the necessary
,supplementary provision would have been sought.
(ASIDES') (Mr. HINDS: That is not true.)

Mr. CHAIRMAN: I would like to appeal to hon.
members that there is no suspension of the sitting
at the moment. Let the hon. Leader of the House
proceed.

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: The hon. member is at li-
berty to say that it is not true, but he is not at liberty
to say that I know that it is not true. Those are two
different things. I am saying that the information
which I have at my disposal, I have given to the
Committee.

Mr. MOTTLEY: Mr. Chairman, these things can
easily happen. I have had some experience in ad-
ministering affairs of this sort and sometimes, the
requisitions andorders and so on, cannot be found. I
do not contradict the fact that it can happen, that
there are people or firms who might not send in
their vouchers and so on, in time. I would not put it
to that; but it so happened that on occasions when it
happened, when I was once administering affairs,
members of the Government have accused me of
everything except committing murder for doing it;
but in this matter I should like to take the opportunity
now, Mr. Chairman, to see how good you are with
your recent experience in England. This is a claim
under Head 104 of the Capital Estimates in relation
to Education, and you will agree with me, Sir, that it
is a money vote and you will also agree with me that
on this occasion I can talk on anything dealing with
Education in this Island. I said that I would test you
on this. The Addendum to this Resolution states that
the funds requisitionedby the Ministry of Communi-
cations andWorks duringthe period 1964-65 to 1966-
67 to meet the expenses incurred in carrying out
capital works in constructing and extending schools
were not expended.. I do not doubt this for a minute
because, as I have said, I have had to deal with mat-
ters of this sort. I believe now that you will find that
there are two or three stores in Bridgetown with
things as far back as 1962; the things were ordered,
the money is there, but somebody cannot find this
requisition and so on, and the Auditor would not pass
itandwe could not pay out the salary. But that is not
what Iam talking about. I did not have the opportunity
to come in here at the time when they were talking
about the Community -College and all of this lot of
nonsense that was going on in here, pulling wool
across people's eyes? I said, Sir, that I wanted to
see how good you were now in preventing anybody
from talking on a Money Resolution under the Head


"Education" and dealing with anything under Educa-
tion. I cannot see, for the'life of me, andl do not be-
lieve that the ex-Minister of Education has seen it,
that the Community College is a priority in this
country.

How on earth could a man walk about, and when
I say "a man" I'am not referring to the hon. mem-
ber who is the Leader of the House, because I would
not be so stupid; I am referring to the Minister of
Education. How could he walk about inspecting all of
these schools and on every other day you can see that
there is no room, that there are bad conditions and
children cannot get into the schools, and you tell me
that a Community College is a priority? Why do peo-
ple allow this kind of thing to go on? Mr. Chairman,
you look up your Rulesl I am talking under the Head
"Education", and this is a Money Resolution, and
you can only stop me if you usurp undue authority.
The Hon. Leader of the House knows that this is true.
Every morning you pick up the newspaper and you
will see that everything is done to show that nobody
else didanything about Education. Everything is done
to show that as far as Elementary Schools, Primary
Schools or whatever you like to call them, are con-
cerned, they are shocking. Everything is done to
showthat as far as the teachers are concerned, they
are not trained. Everything is done to show that you
have not got any room in the schools, and do you tell
me that a Community College is a priority? I am not
in a position to say anything on the question of a
Community College and a Sixth Form, but what I
know is this that it is the feeling of the general pub-
lic in this country of Barbados that it is preferable
to have arrangements made Mr, Chairman, I do not
thinkthat the Clerk would advise you wrongly onthis
matter; on a Money Resolution you can talk on the
Head "Education" and say anything connected with
Education. You cannot reflect on a vote of the House
and you will notice that I am not reflecting on a vote
of the House.
12.45 p.m.

I feel, like thousands of people in this country,
that priority should be given to Elementary education,
Primary education, buildings, and so on, because it
is from there that you have to try and improve the
children. It seems to me that most of those people
who have had an opportunity in getting Primary edu-
cation seem to detest the idea of doing anything in
respect of improving education.

Ihave no doubt that this money could have lapsed
because I have had this experience myself. (ASIDES)
Sir, the Clerk must not give the Chairman wrong
advice.... From my experience here and when I was
sitting in the Gallery of this House, I found that what
has helped to keep up the democratic principles in
this country is that the Government has always been
willing to give a breakdown of these amounts. I un-
derstand that the Leader of the House has given the
names of the firms to whom this money is due and
owing. We could very well ask to give us the amount
due to each firm. All the Minister has to do is to say
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that the money has been spent, and the claims' have
not yet come in.

Mr. Chairman, do not take advice from the
Clerk. I believe that you are one of those people who,
when the Minister of Education said he went through
St. John and found deplorable conditions in schools,
wouldbe the first to say that you would prefer to see
much more done and priority given to Primary
Schools and their teachers, in places like Cherry
Grove and such places in St. John, than to talk about
a Community College. I know that you are not in-
terested in this Community College; I know that you
are not a Community College man. You would pre-
fer to see the Government like myself and the
Minister of Communications and Works doing more
for Primary education.

Now, I am going to vote for the Resolution, but I
believe that the Minister should give us more in-
formation. He says that the Information he has given
as far as he knows, is correct. He says it is correct,
and we are not saying that it is wrong. Civil Servants
must remember that Members of the Opposition are
entitled to a breakdown in matters of this sort, es-
pecially when there is a lapse of money from 1963.
That is why I say that, if we wanted to be exact, we
could ask for the amounts due and owing to certain
people. You cannot arrive at the sum total unless you
get the individual amounts. In the individual amounts
Barbados Hardware would certainly have to be there
in order to arrive at a sum total.

Sir GRANTLEY ADAMS: Mr. Chairman, I would
like to ask the Leader of the House whether he is
prepared, in view of the very serious, blunt and di-
rect charge by the junior member for St. Peter that
his statement is not correct, to investigate I under-
stand that the Leader of the House is relying on in-
formation supplied to him and find out whether or
not the information is correct, and come back to this
House and let us know the position. In fact, it would
be his duty to this House to say that the junior mem-
ber for St. Peter deliberately made a statement
which had no foundation in fact, which was untrue,
and which was a serious charge on the Minister re-
sponsible.

While I am on my feet, I would like to ask him
another question. During the period when he was
Minister of Education, did he know that the accounts
were coming in late or not at all? If an account for
theyear 1964-65 came in only in the year 1968 ap-
parently not early in the year 1968 surely this
House should be told about it. I would just like to
strengthen what the hon. member,who has just sat
down, has said. The Members of the Opposition are
not here to make nuisances of themselves. When they
ask questions, they ask them expecting to get an-
swers and they are entitled to get answers, es-
pecially when there is a question of expenditure and
there is reason to feel that money has been badly
spent.

I do not want to anticipate something else that
we may have to speak about later the Marketing


Corporation. But how can an Opposition, faced with
the knowledge of blatant the Hilton Hotel or the
Ministerial Building blatant mal-expenditure of
Government funds, fail to ask questions and to en-
deavour to find out whether everything has been
above-board or not?
12.55 p.m.

I would go so far against, perhaps, my better
judgment to say that I believe the Hon. Leader of the
House when he says that he has the wrong informa-
tion. If that is so, it is his duty to say to the House
that he was misinformed.

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: On a point of order, at no
time did I say I have the wrong information. What I
did say was that what the hon. member has said
may well be true, but he cannot say that I know it to
be true. That is the difference.

SirGRANTLEY ADAMS:What have I said that
is different from that? If the hon. member was mis-
informed and said that these bills only came in now,
including the 1964-65 ones, surely he was misin-
formed. That is all I said he said. I have not mis-
quoted him; but if that is so, he should sit on his
Department or the particular individual whose duty
it was to give him accurate information, because it
puts him in an unfortunate position to say he cannot
tell the House everything, and therefore he leaves
us on the limb of a tree. I say it is a duty to himself
even, let alone the rest of the House, to find out
if it is true and then come back to the House and
apologise for misleading hon. members unintention-
ally.

The question that the Resolution do now pass wasputand
resolved in the affirmative without division.


On the motion of Hon. J.. C. TUDOR, seconded by Hon,.
C. E,. TALMA, the CHAIRMAN reported the passing of one Reso-
lution in Committee of Supply, and Mr. SFEAKER resumed the
Chair and reported accordingly.


On the separate motions of Hon. J. C. TUDOR, seconded
by Hon. C. E. TALMA, the Resolution was read a first and se-
cond time and agreed to.

Mr. SPEAKER: The next Order of the Day
stands in the name of the Hon. Minister of Communi-
cations and Works, the hon. junior member for St.
Thomas, and it is to move the passing of a Resolu-
tion to approve the Wireless Telegraphy (Amateur
Transmitter) (Amendment) Regulations, 1968.

Hon.N. W. BOXILL: Mr. Speaker, in view of the
fact that an error has been made and I do not want
to ask the House to vote twice on two sets of amend-
ments to the same Resolution, I am asking that this
matter be deferred.

Mr. SPEAKER: The hon. member does not seek
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THE CIVIL ESTABLISHMENT (GENERAL)
(AMENDMENT) (No.4) ORDER, 1968

Mr. SPEAKER: Order No. 3 stands in the name
of the Hon. and Learned Prime Minister.

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: Mr. Speaker, I am asking
leave to take this Order.

Mr. SPEAKER: The Hon. Leader of the House is
seeking Its leave to take charge of Order No. 3 stand-
ing in the name of the Hon. Prime Minister, and un-
less there is any objection, leave will be granted.

There being no objection, leave is granted the
Hon. Leader of the House to proceed with Order No.
3 which is to move the passing of a Resolution to
approve the Civil Establishment (General) (Amend-
ment) (No. 4) Order, 1968.

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: Mr. Speaker, this Civil Es-
tablishment Order attempts to provide numerous
adjustments to the establishment structure of cer-
tain Ministries and Departments,notably the Ministry
of Finance, Ministry of Trade and one section of the
Prime Minister's Office.

Inthe Ministry of Finance it is proposed to cre-
ate five posts, that of Senior Assistant Secretary,
Assistant Secretary, Administrative Assistant, Cle-
rical Officer and Stenographer; and also to re-design
the post of Assistant Financial Secretary to that of
Deputy Financial Secretary.

In the Ministry of Trade there are the following
additional posts; Administrative Assistant, two Cle-
rical Officers and a Stenographer; and then to re-
place the post of Controller of Supplies by the post
of Senior Executive Officer, to replace the post of
Senior Officer by a post of Senior Clerk, to replace
the non-established post of Chief Price Control In-
spector to an established post of Senior Inspector,
and then to replace the four non-established posts
Grades I and II Clerk by four posts of Clerical Of-
ficers.

In respect of the Economic Planning Unit, it is
proposed to create the post of Senior Technical Of-
ficer, and this is done in consequence of a recom-
mendation of the United Nations Adviser on Industrial
Standards. This post will carry with it numerous but
quite important duties, all of which are set out in the
Addendum to the Resolution.

I beg to move that this Resolution do now pass.

Hon. C. E. TALMA: I beg to second that.

Mr. HINDS: Mr. Speaker, this Resolution seeks
more or less to streamline certain departments of
the Service, and it seeks in one particular to set up
an Industrial Standards Bureau.
1.05 p.m.

Now, Sir, when one looks at the functions as set
out here in respect of the Senior Technical Officer, it


brings to mind the part which the Government is
performing in a request from the United Nations for
an officer to set up here a Department for preparing
maps, and the like, in respect of our Lands and Sur-
veys Department.Iam sure that the request to which
I refer from the United Nations is for this officer
to setup this Organization and to train local person-
nel inan estimated six-months' period; but when one
looks at the over-all functions of such an officer, it
Scan very well be seen that when he has completed
two years, not six months, he would scarcely have
got past the acquiring of the necessary materials for
Smap-drawingandthe like, much more the training of
personnel. If one were to compare the functions of
that officer with what we see here in this Resolution
before us and no doubt the Government has been at
pains to give us some information as to what is to be
expected of this Senior Technical Officer at the
Industrial Standards Bureau. The Government has
moved on the advice of a United Nations Adviser, but
the UnitedNations Adviser could hardly have advised
that any one officer could be expected to function
properly, because you must bear in mind that there
would be set out here in the Addendum to this Reso-
lution such as could be put on paper; but there is
much more to which this officer would have to direct
his attention. We are wondering if the Government is
really acting as wisely as it ought to act, and be ex-
pected to act under these circumstances.

This Industrial Standards Bureau also causes
us to cast our minds back to ask the Minister if this
Bureau is expectedto function in any respect like the
International Bureau of Weights and Measures in
Sevres in France. We knowthat, in this Bureau, there
will be much to which to draw attention momently -
to the manufacturing industry; and to have a Bureau
set up, as the Government contemplates here, must
call for a considerable staff if it is to function pro-
perly. We feel that the Minister will unhesitatingly
tell us when it is expected that the Bureau will get on
its feet. We feel sure that he will tell us what staff
the Senior Technical Officer will have working under
him, and what international organizations will this
Senior Technical Officer be drawing from in experi-
ence, in administering a Bureau such as this. We have
got to keep before our minds the fact that this Bu-
reau is no mean undertaking. It is an establishment
With a considerable far-reaching undertaking, and it
is nothing which can be approached lightly. We can
caution the Government to consider everything that
ought to be considered in connection with establish-
ing it, and we sincerely hope that it will be seen to
function in the manner in which the Government en-
visages.

Now, Sir, further on this Resolution, we see
here that the post of Controller of Supplies is to be
down-gradedandthat they will be abolishing the post
Sof Accountant. What must give us cause for concern
is the time at which it is planned to abolish the post
of Accountant. From what we know, the Accountant
has been acting as Controller of Supplies for some
time. (Hon. J. C. TUDOR: From next year.) I see
that it is from the first of June, but I am wondering
as to the date from which the Accountant, who is now







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acting as Controller of Supplies, is going to retire
from the service.That is the point on which we would
like to have some light thrown. Let us, for a single
moment now, cast our eyes on this Price Control In-
spector.
1.15 p.m.

Now, Sir, there are at present four Price Con-
trol Inspectors. I can say that, perhaps, because their
numbers are small they are hardly ever seen any-
where, and it is not to be expected today that the
Price Control Officel can function properly with a
staff of six Inspectors. That is nonsense. At the pres -
ent moment the Price Control Officel has, for its
convenience, divided the Island into four areas,:and
it takes one officer an estimated period of three
months to cover the area detailed to him. One can
imagine that in the event of a shopkeeper, or vendor,
requiring the services of a Price Control Inspector
at any time and he has to pay revisits, it must be
known that he cannot and will not be able to cover the
rest of his area in his three-month period.

Let us, on the other hand, take the City of Bridge -
town into consideration. What purpose does it really
serve byhavingone Price ControlInspector respon-
sible for checking the misdeeds of the business com-
munity in the City of Bridgetown and parish of St.
Michael proper for one period in three months? That
is the situation with which we are now faced. What is
particularly remarkable is that it seems to me that
it is even unknown in the Price Control, Office that
there is any intention on the part of the Government
to increase the inspectorate by two, but there is one
point which I would like to make. If the Chief Price
Control Inspector is to have as a new title "Senior
Inspector", then this officer and the other staff mem-
bers clerks and others because I have discovered
that there are persons serving in the Price Control
Office who have been there for over twenty years;
they have given far more than twenty years' service
in this Department. If an officer has given twenty
years' service in the Department, and there is any
questionof regrading of salaries or posts, one would
hope that the Government would take into considera-
tion the age of the officers involved, the length of
service that they have rendered, and give some con-
sideration to those officers. If there is no opportunity
now for those officers to remain in service and to
reachthe maximum of their salaries, then, immedi-
ately after this re-titling of offices comes about, the
officers should be given their maximum. I say that,
and I cannot over-emphasise the necessity of it, be-
cause, as I have said, the volume of work that these
officers are expected to perform is great.

Let us, for a single moment, look at the functions.
of the business sections in the City. Every now .and
again you go to a Supermarket, or a store, to find
that there has been an addition to the price that ob-
tainedthere aday or two days before. We are saying
thathavingno Inspectors to check on these situations
is one of the means whereby the cost of living is
rising continually.


I am not in a position to say that all of the-
functions of the supermarkets and other operators
are I above -board, but I should tell this honourable
House that, in the case of the Pine Hill Dairy and its
milk sales or operations in milk, IPrice Control In-
spectors have been somewhat reluctant in the past
to enter on the premises of certain types of business
people to carry out investigations. But when we have
the case of the Pine Hill Dairy overcharging super-
market dealers, wholesalers and retailers, it was
the extras that were passed on to the consumers
without their knowing about them in very many re-
spects.
1.25 p.m.
A city businessman drew to my attention that
milkwas being bought at a price, and they were then
receiving bill for freight on the same bill; but what
the wholesaler and the supermarket dealer were do -
ingwas placing the milk on the shelf at the scheduled
price,and when the tins of milk were taken from the
shelves and brought to the cash register I do not
know if it was being loaded for this type of thing in
the process of making the additions, an extra amount
was added and the customer was made to pay much
more than the price at which they were removed
fromthe shelves. If the housewife is to be protected,
I think that we should have a team of not less than
six Price Control Inspectors functioning in the City
of Bridgetown alone, because one of the difficulties
is that when something really goes wrong, the ag-
grieved party has got to go through so much rigma-
role and red-tape to get in touch with the Police or
the Price Control Inspectors as the case may be, and
very often the Police is reluctant to operate and says
it is the function of the Price Control Inspector at
that particular stage. With the continuous threat of
rising costs, I feel that merely increasing the staff
of the Price Control Inspectorate by two is not good
enough in this day.
We know, Sir, that six of these officers to cover
the whole island as compared with four in the past
might be said to be an approach. At least it would
give the appearance that something is being done;
but make no mistake about it, Sir, the work of the
Price Control Inspector is being doubled and trebled
momently. We have too many people who have grie-
vances. We have too many people who go into the
stores and see and know that goods are beingoffered
atprices above what the schedule requires, but they
can do nothing about it.
What I want to say is this: it is not merely for
the Price Control Inspector to be hounding down the
small supermarket operator or the small shop-
keeper along Baxters Road or some of the side lanes
and alleys. These Price Control Inspectors have got
to become familiar and acquainted with business
transactions beginning from the very top, because
in many cases, as found in the Pine Hill Dairy scan-
dal, it is the importers and the commission mer-
chants who give rise to the increase in the price of
milk. I am sure that the Price Control Officers who
have possibly twenty or twenty-two or possibly
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dealing with all the situations that arise in this re-
spect, and we are to hope that in the streamlining
something will be done to see that those officers are
carried to their maximum, particularly those who
have been in the service for this length of time.

Let us for a single moment look at it in this re-
spect. These officers have all been functioning for so
many years on a temporary basis. Now you know,
Sir, that working for twenty or twenty-four years on
a temporary arrangement cannot in any respect give
an officer full confidence of himself or his post, and
we feel that the longer it remains like this, the more
uneasy the officer would be compelled to feel because
he is growing older each day, and the question of in-
security must come home more forcefully to an older
man than it would to a youngster who can perhaps
skip from one job to another. We are now particularly
gladto see that these posts are now being established
andput on a sound basis. If Government wanted to do
something about controlling the price of commodities,
why could Government not appoint these four officers
permanently and then set about to retain even four
others or maybe another six on a temporary basis?
In other words, the Price Control Inspectorate should
have a staff of Inspectors .who could go from place
toplace in the city stores and in the business houses
and retail stores at least once in every two months,
as the case may be. The arrangement should be that
those who have served for twenty-odd years on a tem-
porary basis should now be made permanent officers,
and then Government should recruit another four or
possibly six officers on a temporary basis. If we
really want to try and keep the business community
in check and see that the householders are not fleeced,
we definitely need a full staff of at least one dozen
Price Control Inspectors.
1.35 p.m.

It has been said that where there are no con-
trols by law, competition should regulate prices and
fromone thing to another; but, Sir, we are satisfied,
with all that these business people might have to say,
that there is still the need for this Price Control In-
spector to appear on the scene at some very crucial
moments. You might also have an officer stationed
at the office who can attend to emergency calls, and
if it is known in other words, the Government
should be moving out today with a full force of of-
ficers Price Control Inspectors to clamp down
on these high-rising prices. When I say that, I mean
the illegal rise in these prices. I remember, Sir, it
is more than a year now, it is almost two years that
the Democratic League of Women was supposed to
have set up a Committee to go around from store to
store to see what they could do about reducing these
high prices and something like that, but, Sir, they
never got themselves sufficiently well organised to
do that, and I am glad that they did not get themselves
organised. I say that because I know that many of
them would have been caught up at times for shop-
lifting. They were "Dems", and their idea of it was
that some 'of them had it in their minds that they
would go to the stores, they would see the bolts of
cloth, and the bestway in which they would be able to
advise their Government as to what price should be


charged in respect of a yard of cloth or something
like that, would be to get a three-yard or four-yard
length of it as a sample. I am very glad that this
Democratic League of Women was never able to
function. Sir, the Government can very well approach
this problem of Price Control on a proper basis.
Give us a staff of inspectors armed with the necessary
authority where they have reasons to suspect that
breaches are being committed, and see what they can
do at least to keep the cost of living from spiralling
illegally.

Sir GRANTLEY ADAMS: Mr. Speaker, I am sorry
that the hon. Leader of the House is not in his place
because there are certain things I want to point out
more specifically in his address to the House; but I
hope that some other Minister will listen carefully
to what Iam saying and tell him when he comes back
in the House. I hesitate sometimes to give advice to
the Government, because however good it may be,
the fact that it comes from me will make the Gov-
ernment say "No". I hope that they will make an
exception on this occasion, and I feel pretty sure that
there are some hon. members of the Government
facing me now who will accept the advice which I
give, for reasons which I am going to give, and for-
get politics now, forget Government and Opposition.
When one reads the duties of this proposed Techni-
cal Officer, one sees howfarcial it is to, expect to get
a man, a suitable officer I am using the words of
the Addendum to the Resolution; "The post of Senior
Technical Officer is required at this stage in order
that a suitable officer may be appointed and trained."
The duties are set out here and let me tell hon. mem-
bers if they think that I am talking in the air, that the
West Indies Federation went most thoroughly into
this matter of a Bureau of Standards, and we had a
superman advising us and appointed in the service of
the Federation. Some hon. members facing me may
not even have read the Addendum to the Resolution,
but let them, with an absolutely open mind, forget
who I am now, forget that it is the Opposition speak-
ingand read now what the duties of this officer are.
Let them read the type of man that they are looking
forward to get.

I say again; I am sorry that the Hon. Leader of
the House is not here, because, before I began my
speech, I intended to ask himhow long does the Gov-
ernment contemplate it will take to train this man.
Mr. Speaker, I am as much a Barbadian as anybody
else, and I believe in 'buying local' and appointing
local people, giving a Barbadian a job; but you can-
not find any Barbadian in the Civil Service now or
who is likely to come in the Civil Service, who can
fit this job without three years training at the very
least. Let us consider what these duties;are; these
are tip-top duties. These are what the United Nations
tell you; these are the standards which you will find
in the United Kingdom and in the United States of
America. I repeat, I speak with the knowledge that
this sort ofthing has been done absolutely thoroughly
in the West Indies already. You have to establish a
Bureau of Standards, and one of this officer's duties
is to control and supervise the organization of the
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and external liaison. Half year's training is excellent,
but I invite even in the course of my speech from
members on the other side. Invite them again to
have an absolutely I open mind and listen to what is
being put up to them. That is one thing. Suppose you
say that you can get the topmost Civil Servant at the
Permanent Secretary stage, if you like, who would
be able to control and supervise the organization of
a Bureau, including finance, staffing, accommoda-
tion and external liaison; that is well and good. You
might pick out a Permanent Secretary who can do
that. He has to act as Secretary to the Council or
Governing Body, the Council being the Governing
Body of the Bureau, and this will include senior
members of Government departments. These are the
people whom he will be dealing with as well as \senior
representatives of industry, commerce, professional
bodies, researchunits and technical education. Now,
in addition, he has to act as a conciliator when re-
quired, that is duty No. 13, to reconcile divergent
viewpoints and be able to preside over conferences
convened to discuss all aspects of standardization.

Mr. Speaker, he has to be a superman, not a
manwho canbe trained in twelve months or anything
of the sort. He has to keep abreast of general tech-
nicalpractices in industry, and maintain liaison with
industrial and commercial association. Do you think
that you can train a man to do that in a year or two?
He has also to co-ordinate common practice between
industry standards or technical committees of the
Bureau and other related outside bodies. He has got
to be a man with vast experience. Anybody who reads
this, sees at once that it is nonsense, arrant non-
sense, worse than arrant nonsense, monumental
nonsense to think that you can choose a man now
and train him for this job, He has got to be a man
with a lot of experience; and if the Government
would stoop for once and listen to the Opposition,
they would appoint a man on contract for at least
three years, possibly renewable for a further two
years, becagae-you have to have a man with experi-
ence. Here is a man whom you are going to train in
a short time apparently on this nonsensical salary.
1.45 p.m.

Youput him in a grade with the ordinary Secre-
tary, so to speak, not a man who has to have techni-
cal knowledge to be able to discuss and choose between
divergent views. Any fountain-pen-push-clerk is
worse than useless. The Addendum states:

"To control the final format, editing, classifi-
cation and preparation for publication of na-
tional Standards drawn up by the Bureau and
approved by its Council,"
He has to have liaison that is one of his duties -
with the Bureau and its Council. He will be in a po-
sition to tell the Bureau: "That is the advice I give
you". How can you take up a Civil Servant and train
him for this post in twelve months? You must have'
a man with a world of experience, even if you ap-
point him ona three-year contract. You Imust have
somebody like that who is a superman, or expert,
while the other man is being trained.


You cannot seriously say: "the post is required
at this stage in order that a suitable officer may be
appointed and trained." You cannot appoint a man
and then train him. The man whom you appoint must
first know his job. You can train another man to take
his place. I repeat that we have had all of this already
with a man who is really a superman in the Bureau
of Standards in the West Indies Federation. You have
to appoint a man whom you could call a superman, a
man who knows his business, who could advise you,
who could talk to a Board of Trade in any part of the
world and be respected. You can train a Barbadian
to do that, but to suggest that you appoint and train a
man at this stage would be to throw away more money
than you are accustomed to throwing away.

I am not opposed to having a Bureau of Standards.
The Labour Party in its last Manifesto said that we
would set up a Bureau of Standards, if returned to
power. I suppose the Government got the idea from
that. (Mr. MOTTLEY: Both of you got that idea from
me.) I forget the occasion when I told the senior
member for the City all my experience with the of-
ficerwehad in the West Indies Federation. (ASIDES)

Mr. SPEAKER: I am afraid that the Hon. Leader
of the Opposition is addressing the House, and I can
listen to no other member,

Sir GRANTLEY ADAMS: I repeat No. 4 of his
duties:
"Liaison with the Council on all matters per-
taining to the Bureau's functions."
In short, he is not just only a Secretary taking minutes.
The Council has to look to him for advice. Forgive
me for using the word so often, because so often you
hear of superman and they are not really super. The
man in charge of. a Bureau of Standards must be a
man whom you can call, without feeling you are over-
stating it, a superman; he is not an ordinary man; he
is full of knowledge and wisdom, and able to advise
on the technical side as well as to run an office. Not
only "liaison with his own council", but one of his
functions is:


"Liaison with other national Standards bodies
and also international Standards Organizations."


You cannot begin without appointingareal first-
class man on contract, because you, obviously,
would have to train a Barbadian to take his place
later. I repeat that three years will be the minimum
period to keep him, because the man underhim
would not always be in Barbados; he would be abroad
seeing how things are done in other places. That is
why I would suggest three years with a possibility of
renewing the contract for another two years; but to
ask us to agree, without some intimation from the
Government that they will consider the proposals
which lam nowmaking on behalf of the Opposition, to
say that you are going on to appoint a man and then
train him would be sheer, undiluted throwing away of
the taxpayers' money.










Let me read that again:

"Liaison with other national Standards bodies
and also International Standards Organiza-
tions."
He has to be a man whom you can respect in any part
of this world, if he is to be any good at all.

"Organization and control of circulation of
minutes, agenda......" that is for the ordinary
clerical staff.

"Establishment and control of the technical
committee structure following the procedures
laid down in Rules and Regulations to be drawn
up for their conduct, and as directed by the
Council, excludingdecisions on technical mat-
ters."
That is the sort of thing that you would expect an of-
ficer of this kind to deal with.

"8. Control and management of libraries,
test laboratories and inspection depart-
ments."
He has work to do, and I do not hesitate to say that
this salary is not anything like good enough for the
man whom you want to have. It is too low; otherwise
you will only be going in for a third-rate person,
'comparatively speaking for this job at a third-rate
salary.

"9. Maintenance of plant, equipment, furni-
ture, effects and premises of the Bu-
reau."
He cannot do everything himself but, certainly,
inasmuch as he is responsible for advising and
staffing -
"To control, and supervise the organization of
the Bureau, including finances, staffing, accommo-
dation and external liaison."

Is it necessary to go on any longer to try to convince
hon. members that the, duties of this man must of
necessity, when you come to a Bureau of Standards,
be such as only a really first-rate man at a first-
rate salary can deal with? I repeat that this salary
is not good enough for the type of man who should
be there. He cannot possibly be just appointed now
and trained.

I will sit down now, repeating what I started
with. You have to appoint a man who is already able
to carry out everyone of these duties, and appoint
himforatleast three years. I do not know how much
advice the Government had apart from this United
Nations Adviser, because if they had got hold of the
person I am speaking of, whom we had in the West
Indies Federation, he would have been able to tell
the Government that "Mr. So-and-So is working in
the United States; he is a good man; appoint him and
he will train a first-class man to take his place
after a time." I ask the Government to forget that I
have been speaking; forget that this is advice from
the Opposition; be Barbadians and do something for
the good of the country. Buying Barbadian, or put-


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ting Barbadians in jobs there comes a time when
you run up against the fact that) you have to forget
Barbadians, because there is' not anybody suitable for
a particular job; but you can train somebody to be
suitable.
1.55 p.m.

I appeal, as I began. Forget this comes from the
Opposition; do not make the mistake of appointing
somebody and then training him.

Mr. CRAIG: Mr. Speaker, it is a healthy, sign to
see Government setting out by this Resolution to
streamline certain Departments, but there are sev-
eral acting appointments in Government Departments,
and I think it is on this occasion that I should draw
some of them to Government's attention. First and
foremost in my mind is in the Ministry of Labour.
One would observe that for a number of years, Mr.
Speaker, the post of Chief Labour Officer has been
vacant, and I am wondering whether Government
wouldtake into consideration that the Labour Depart-
ment is of paramount importance to this country also.

In the Ministryof Finance, it is necessary to es-
tablish a temporary post of Senior Clerk on a per-
manent basis; but when one goes through this
Resolution, he would also observe that in the Ministry
of Trade, as my colleague the hon. junior member for
St. Peter said, rather than Government only asking
for an additional four clerical posts in this Depart-
ment, they could safely have added more people in
the office of Controller of Supplies.

It is amazing, Sir, that if you go into Tudor
Street at Olton's, you would be able to buy certain
things muchcheaper there than you can buy them at
some of the supermarkets, and it is regrettable that
the Government can only find it possible just to in-
crease the Department of the Controller of Supplies
by four more inspectors. I am sure, Mr. Speaker,
that there are several unemployed people in the
Island, and Government would not find it difficult to
increase these posts.

SUSPENSION OF SITTING

Mr. SPEAKER: In view of the hour, -this sitting
now stands suspended until 2.30 p.m. o'clock.
On resumption:

NOTICE OF REPLIES

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: Mr. Speaker, I was not able
to give notice of Replies earlier becatue the docu-
ment did not arrive, and I am asking leave to do so
now.

Mr. SPEAKER: The Hon. Leader of the House
is asking leave to give notice of Replies to Ques-
tions, and unless there is any objection, leave will
be granted.

There being no objection, leave is granted the
Hon. Minister to give notice now of Replies to cer-
tain Parliamentary Questions.







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Hon. J. C. TUDOR: Mr. Speaker, I beg to give
notice that Oral Replies to Parliamentary Question
No. 193 asked by the hon. junior member for St.
Peter, No. 228 asked by the hon. senior, member for
St. James,No. 204 asked by the hon. senior member
for St. James,andNos. 42 and 232 asked by the hon.'
senior member for St. Thomas, are ready.

Hon. N. W. BOXILL: Mr. Speaker, I beg to give
notice that Oral Replies to Parliamentary Question
No. 147 asked by the hon. senior member for St.
Thomas, No. 191 asked by the hon. junior member
for St. Peter, and Nos. 163 and 206 asked by the
hon. senior member for St. James are ready.

Hon. C. E. TALMA: Mr. Speaker, I beg to give
notice that Oral Reply to Parliamentary Question
No. 198 asked by the hon. senior member for St.
Joseph is ready.

Also Oral Reply to Parliamentary Question No.
206 asked by the hon. senior member for St. James
is ready.

QUESTION TIME

Mr. SPEAKER: It is now Question Time. Ques-
tion No. 42 stands in the name of the hon. and learned
member for St. Thomas.

QUESTION re STREET LIGHTING IN
ST. THOMAS

Mr. J. M. G. M. ADAMS: Mr. Speaker,the ques-
tion reads as follows:

To enquire of the Minister of Communications
and Works: -

1. Is the Minister aware that a petition has
been submitted to his Ministry bearing the signa-
tures of more than 100 residents of Porey's Spring,
Dr. Moore's Woods, Spring Farm, Barkers Corner,
Content Tenantry, Dunscombe Tenantry and For-
tress Hill in the parish of St. Thomas calling for
improved street lighting in these districts?

2. If the answer is Yes, will the Minister
take immediate action to provide the street lighting
called for?

Notice of this Question was given on the 18th
April, 1967.

Hon. N. W. BOXILL: Mr. Speaker, I do not know
why mention was made of the time notice of this
Question was given, but that is entirely a matter
for the hon. member. Notice of this Reply was given
since 28th May, 1968. The Reply is as follows:

1. A petition was received on 3rd April,1967.

2. The Government has under consideration
plans for the improvement and extension of street
lighting facilities throughout the Island.


Mr. J. M. G. M. ADAMS: Mr. Speaker, will the
Minister say whether the Government's plans for
improving street lighting includes street lighting
at Porey's Spring, Dr. Moore's Woods, Spring Farm,
Barker's Corner, Content Tenantry, Dunscombe
Tenantry and Fortress Hill in the parish of St.
Thomas?

Hon. N. W. BOXILL: Mr. Speaker, apparently
the hon. member does not know that when I say that
the Government has under consideration plans for
the improvement and extension of street lighting
facilities throughout the island that those places are
within the Island.

Sir GRANTLEY ADAMS: Does the Hon. Minis-
ter mean that every single back alley in the island
is going to have street lighting? That is a simple
question arising out of his recent answer.

Mr. SPEAKER: I do not think the questioner
may also give the answer.

Hon. N. W. BOXILL: I do not think it deserves
an answer, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. SPEAKER: No, no. That is not happy.

Hon. N. W. BOXILL: I have found that whenever
I have to speak, the Speaker always tries to tell me
what I should say, but he allows the hon. senior
member for St. Joseph to ramble all over the House
without calling him to attention.

Mr. SMITH: On a point of order, not me, Sir.
You do not do it to me at any time.

Hon. N. W. BOXILL: If I said the senior mem-
ber, I meant the junior member for St. Joseph.

Sir GRANTLEY ADAMS: The junior member
can take care of himself.

Mr. SPEAKER: And so can the Chair.

Sir GRANTLEY ADAMS: I am addressing the
Chair, but sometimes I end up what I am saying by
saying "Mr. Speaker".

The Hon. Minister said that his plans cover the
whole island. I am asking him if hemeans by that
that every village in the Island, every back alley. It
is a simple thing. The hon. senior member for St.
Thomas can take care of himself.

Hon. N. W. BOXILL: Mr. Speaker, I have heard
those/words used already by the canary when he
went to sing to the cats at the Small Animals' Hos-
pital; but he did not come back.

The answer to the question is "yes".

Mr. J. M. G. M. ADAMS: Mr. Speaker, will the
Minister agree that Barker's Corner, St. Thomas,
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largest populated areas of St. Thomas, that it is a
major bus-stop area, that it has no street lighting,
and in the light of that, will he say whether he is
going to put a street light at Barker's Corner?
2.40 p.m.

Hon. N. W. BOXILL: Apparently, the hon. mem-
ber does not knowwhere Barker's Corner is, because
he says that it is at a major road junction, and that
could not be true.

Mr. J. M. G. M. ADAMS: Barker's Corner is
where the road from Rock Hall meets Highway 2A or
whatever it is. It may be that the Hon. Minister does
not understand what is meant by a road junction.

Mr. SPEAKER: What is the question?

Mr. J. M. G. M. ADAMS: The question is: Will
the Minister agree that Barker's Corner is a place
where two important roads meet, one leading to
Rock Hall, which is the second most highly-populated
district in St. Thomas,and the other leading to Spring
Farm, Porey's Spring and Dunscombe, which is the
third most highly-populated district in St. Thomas?
Will he agree that Barker's Corner is a place where
two important roads meet and that it deserves street
lights, that people get off there at night from buses
and they have to find their way home in the dark?

Hon. N. W. BOXILL: I agree that that needs
street lighting in the same way that Iagree that
anywhere in Barbados needs street lighting. Street
lighting is something that all the people in Barbados
need. The entire Island needs street lighting, and I
say that we will look into the matter of street light-
ing for the entire Island.

Mr. J. M. G. M. ADAMS: How many other pe-
titions has the Minister received calling for street
lighting and signed by one or more people, or, as in
this case, a hundred people?

Sir GRANTLEY ADAMS: Does the hon. member
feel that he should not do something to help the pa-
rishioners of St. Thomas because he would not be
representing them at the next election?

Mr. SPEAKER: That is not a supplementary
question which I would allow. I (ASIDES) i As I do not
allowthe supplementary question, I do not allow any
answer.

Hon. N. W. BOXILL: Mr. Speaker, I am not an-
swering the supplementary question, but a question
has been asked which I think I can throw some light
on. Iwill no more represent the people in St. Thomas
than he will represent the people in St. Joseph.

Mr. SPEAKER: That is not the subject of a ques -
tion.

Hon. N. W. BOXILL: No, but it is an argument.

Mr. CRAIG: Mr. Speaker, out of the Minister's
reply to the question, will he then, in view of the


fact that they are looking into the over-all street
lighting facilities in Barbados will the Minister
then consider Highway No. 1, along the St. James
Coast, as a priority?

Mr. SPEAKER: I am afraid that Highway No. 1
on the St. James coast does not come within the
scope of this Question. I do not deem it to be a pro-
per supplementary question.

Mr. J. M. G. M., ADAMS: Will the Minister
agree that some places need street lighting more
than others? Will the Minister agree that Barker's
Cornerneeds a street light more than Broad Street,
and if so, will he indicate how high up the list of
priorities is this place for which 100 people have
petitionedfor street lights? There are gullies on all
sides of Spring Farm, and it is not going to be long
before somebody loses his way in going home in the
dark.

Mr. SPEAKER: Is that another question with-
out a query mark being properly placed after it?

Mr. J. M. G. M. ADAMS: Will the Minister say
how high up the list of priorities are these petitions
for street lighting in the areas mentioned?

Hon. N. W. BOXILL: All I can say is that this
may be very high up. I do not have the file with the
priority list. For all I know, the hon. member may
get the street light before Broad Street as he claims,
but I could not think or anybody who is in his right
senses could not think that the areas mentioned
could have priority over a place like Broad Street
where we have all the stores. It may be that the hon.
member is expecting that because he is looking for
a fee out of somebody breaking a store......

Mr. SPEAKER: No,nol The hon. member should
not make that remark. I will ask the hon. member
to withdraw that. Let the hon. member not suggest
that any hon. member......

Hon. N. W. BOXILL: Mr. Speaker, if I withdraw
the word "fee", I will use the word "berry". I have
heard it used on the floor of this House many times.
I beg to withdraw the word "fee" and I say that he
may be looking for a berry.

Mr. J. M. G. M. ADAMS: Mr. Speaker, is it not
imputing an improper motive for the hon. member to
be suggesting that I said that Broad Street does not
want street lighting because I want somebody to break
a store in that street so as to make money out of it?
That is imputing a straightforward, improper mo-
tive. The idea of breaking stores in Broad Street
would only occur to the hon. junior member for St.
Thomas. What I am saying is that Broad Street does
not need more street lighting. I object to the re-
mark.



Mr. SPEAKER: The hon. member has said that
that would only occur......







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Hon. N. W. BOXILL:- If the hon. member ob-
jects to the remark which I have made, I also ob-
ject to the one which he has made.

Mr. SPEAKER: There will be no more ques-
tions, supplementary or otherwise, in respect of this.

Sir GRANTLEY ADAMS: On a point of order. Mr.
Speaker, are we to understand that the hon. junior
member for St. Thomas is making a bargain with
Your Honour? Your honour has called upon him to
withdraw that remark and he says: "I will with-
draw. it if the hon. senior member for St. Thomas
withdraws his remark."

Mr. SPEAKER: The hon. member withdrew the
word "fee" and he has used the word which I have
oftenheardandpermitted on the left of the Speaker's
Chair in a context which was as unexceptionable as
in this context. Insofar as the Chair is concerned,
this Question is completed.

QUEUEING AT BUS STANDS AND
STOPPING PLACES

Mr. SPEAKER: Question No. 147, standing in
the name of the hon. and learned senior member
for St. Thomas.

Mr. J. M. G.,M. ADAMS: Mr. Speaker, to en-
quire of the Minister of Communications and Works:

How soon does the Government plan to enforce
the system, for which the legislative framework al-
ready exists, for queueing at bus stands and stopping
places?

Hon. N. W. BOXILL: Mr. Speaker, the reply to
the hon. member's question is as follows:-


"Legislation relating to the control of passen-
gers entering buses by a system of queueing has
been approved and is being enforced."



Mr. J. M. G. M. ADAMS: Just a supplementary
question which the Minister may be able to answer
and cast a little light on. Has there been in fact
any report to the Ministry as to how well the sys -
tem is working? Have there been any prosecutions
on similar matters or any complaints?



Hon. N. W. BOXILL: Mr. Speaker, in all fair-
ness to the hon. member, the answer is "no". I
have not had any report as to whether the system
is working satisfactorily or not. I have promised
myself to go and have a look on a Friday evening
which I would consider to be the best time; but due
to the fact that a lotof the schools or all of them
- are out of session now, I have decided that the
best time to have a look is when the schools are
back in session. Then I will be able to report on
whetherthe system is working satisfactorily or not.


CONSTRUCTION OF ROAD AT
CAMPION CASTLE

Mr. SPEAKER: Question No. 163, standing in
the name of the hon. senior member for St. James.
That is on page 7 right-hand column.

Mr. CRAIG: Mr, Speaker, to enquire of the ap,-
propriate Minister:

Will the Minister have a road constructed at
Campion Castle, St. George so as to connect the two
existing roads in the said district?

Hon. N. W. BOXILL: Mr. Speaker, the reply to
hon. member's question is as follows:-

"It is impossible to construct a road at Cam-
pion Castle, St. George, so as to connect the two
existing roads in the said district since these roads
are separated by a gully."

Mr. SMITH: Is it possible to erect a bridge then
since there is a gully?

Hon. N. W. BOXILL: Mr. Speaker, I am an-
swering this Question somewhat under correction
because I really did not see the area myself. The
Technical Officers went into the area. However, I
do not think it is possible to erect a bridge. It might
be possible, but it may be highly improbable. That
is what I should say. It may be highly improbable
and uneconomical, money-wise and everything else.
I must say that I am speaking under correction, but
from what I have been told, the answer is "No.".
Mr. SMITH and Mr. J. M. G. M. ADAMS rose to speak.

Mr. SPEAKER: The hon. senior member for St.
Joseph caught my eye first.
2.50 p.m.

Mr. SMITH: Mr. Speaker, since theMinisterhas
admitted that he did not see the site himself, will he
make us a promise that he will see it for himself and
report back to the House? This information is very
uncertain, as far as he is concerned.

Hon. N. W. BOXILL: Mr. Speaker, I have no
reason whatsoever to doubt my Technical Officers.
I have my Parliamentary Secretary here who repre-
sents the area, and he knows the area. I do not visit
these sites. It is not a Minister's duty to visit these
sites; the Technical Officers are sent there, but I
like to see the sites myself, so that when I come to
the House I can hold my own. As the junior member
for St. Joseph said, I am usually like the Canary and
can take care of myself. I am like the Cat this time,
and not the Canary. I will go and see the site myself,
if that is the wish of the hon. senior member for St.
Joseph. If the Technical Officers say it cannot be
done, then I do not think it can be done.

Mr. J. M. G. M. ADAMS: Mr. Speaker, how deep
is that gully, and what does "impossible" mean in
this context? After all, a bridge was put across the
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be meant by "impossible" in respect of a 20-ft. little
gully in St. George St. George's gully with a foot-
path.

Hon. N. W. BOXILL: Mr. Speaker, I took back
the word "impossible". I said that it was highly
improbable. You cannot compare the Victoria Bridge
with a little bridge in St. George. The cost of the
Victoria Bridge is more than the Capital Expenditure
in Barbados. You cannot expect me to take $10 million
and build a bridge in Campion Castle. Iwill bet, Mr.
Speaker, that the hon. senior memberforSt. Thomas
does not know where Campion Castle is.

Mr. SPEAKER: I am afraid that hon. members
must not attempt to bet across this Table. This is
not a certain club.

Hon. N. W. BOXILL: I beg to withdraw that re-
mark, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. SMITH: Mr. Speaker, can the Minister tell
me how wide this bridge is supposed to be? I am re-
ferring to the length of the gully.

Hon. N. W. BOXILL: Mr. Speaker, I do not have
that information. The hon. member knows me better
than a lot of other people. When I give my word, I
usually stick to it even if it gets me into trouble. He
knows that if I say I will go and see the site, I will
do so. I will take along a tapemeasure, measure it,
and come back and tell him how deep it is. How
wide is it is the important point.

SITE FOR RESETTLING PEOPLE
FROM ST. JOSEPH

Mr. SPEAKER: Question No. 198 standinginthe
name of the hon. senior member for St. Joseph at
page 13, left hand column.

Mr. SMITH: Mr. Speaker, to enquire of the Min-
ister of Communications and Works:-

1. Has the Minister's attention been drawn
to the large number of people in St. Joseph who are
still living on the brink of disaster through the un-
sound foundation of the land on which they are now
living?

2. Is the Minister aware that these people
cannot get suitable spots to which to remove?

3. Can the Minister offer these people any
kind of assistance before the rainy season arrives
in full?

4. Can the Minister state the reason for not
buying Lammings Pasture, or any other suitable
site in St. Joseph, for resettling such people with
homes on unsound foundations?

Hon. N. W. BOXILL: Mr. Speaker, before the
reply is given, I would like to correct the hon. se-
nior member for St. Joseph. That Question really
does not pertain to me. It pertains to the Minister


of Community Development who will answer the
Question.

Mr. SMITH: Mr. Speaker, it is not for me to be
blamed. I am reading from the Order Paper; so I
could not say the Hon. Minister of something else.
As long as it belongs to the Hon. Minister of Health,
I am sure he will give me a correct and suitable
answer.

Mr. SPEAKER: I am not inapositionto say now
whether the Question was addressed to the Minister
of Communications and Works, or whether it was
an error either of the questioner or the Government
Printery, but the Minister of Community Development
will answer it.

Hon. C. E. TALMA: I think I am answering in
my capacity of Minister of Housing, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. SPEAKER: As the Hon. Minister pleases.

Hon.C. E. TALMA: Mr. Speaker, the answer is
as follows:

The Government decided in December last to
acquire approximately 17 acres of land at Lammings
for- the re-siting of houses in the Scotland District
which are threatened by soil erosion. Negotiations
with the owners are in progress.

I just want to give the hon. member this assur-
ance. There has been a little delay in the negotiations,
but this has been brought through the fact that other
areas of land not the pasture Lammings Pasture
is all sound have been selected, but more lands
than Lammings Pasture are being bought; in other
words, some cane lands, arable lands, or marginal
lands, abutting and in front of this Pasture on the
road, so that additional land is being bought.

The Directors of the company have offered al-
ternative sites to what we have selected, and they
claim that, for building purposes, it would be more
suitable. There has been a little delay because of
the fact that other fields of that same Lammings
Plantation have been offered by the owners, sug-
gesting that those fields would be more suitable
for building purposes. I agree that the negotiations
were held up a little, but only yesterday whether
you believe it or not they have been resolved, and
the areas, apart from the Pasture itself, have been
decided on and the matter will be expedited and re-
lief given to the people in the area.

Mr. SMITH: Mr. Speaker, I thank the Minister
for his reply. I hope, Sir, that the other Ministers
will follow his example.

Mr. SPEAKER: I do not follow that supplemen-
tary question.


Mr. SMITH: That was not a supplementary ques -
tion; I was only complimenting the Minister. It was
a complimentary......







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Mr. SPEAKER: Do I understand then that the
hon. member is querying whether other Hon. Minis-
ters will emulate that Hon. Minister?
3.00 p.m.

QUESTION re RENT OF BOOTH AT
SEAWELL AIRPORT

Mr. SPEAKER: Question No. 232 stands in the
name of the hon. and learned member for St. Thomas.

Mr. J. M. G. M. ADAMS: Mr. Speaker, the ques-
tion reads as follows:

To enquire of the appropriate Minister:

Will the Minister state what rent is paid by West
Indies Hospital Sweepstake Limited for the use of a
booth at Seawell Airport, and when last was this
rent paid?

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: Mr. Speaker, the reply is
as follows:

"The rental is at the rate of $360 a year and at
the time at which the hon. member asked the ques -
tion it had last been paid on 7th May, 1968. The rent
is up to: date."

Mr. J. M. G. M, ADAMS: Mr. Speaker, as a sup-
plementary, does the Minister consider that it en-
hances the good name of Barbados for that booth
to contain a sign saying "First Prize $175,000"?

Hon. J. C, TUDOR: I will examine it myself
and answer the hon. member.

Mr. CRAIG: Would the Minister be able to say
if the amount of space used by West Indies Hospi-
tal Sweepstake is in keeping with other space used
by other services at Seawell Airport?

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: My information is that they
occupy twenty-four square feet. Whether this is in
keepingwith other space used, I do not know. I would
not know what to compare it with.

Sil GRANTLEY ADAMS: Does the Hon. Minis-
ter not feel that a concern that can afford to have a
firstprize of $175,000 should pay much, much more
to the Government? You complain about not having
enough revenue. Does not the Government see a first-
class opportunity of making money?

Hon, J. C. TUDOR: It would seem to me, Mr.
Speaker, that this has been calculated on some ra-
tional basis, Anarea of 24 square feet is only' x4',
8'x3' or 12' x 2', as the case may be, or 24' x 1'.
Iam not tryingto be facetious, but it seems to me to
be a small enough space to make $30 a month not
too low.

Sir GRANTLEY ADAMS: Going by space, what
is the area of the Bank of England? If you are going
by space, the Bank of England should be 1,000 acres.


Mr. SPEAKER: I am afraid I cannot allow a
supplementary on what should the area of the
Bank of England.

Mr. SMITH: Mr. Speaker, considering the money
that is being made by this company, would the Min-
ister consider increasing the rent?

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: I would not consider in-
creasing it. I would consider taking the hon. mem-
ber's suggestion to the appropriate quarter.

Mr. SMITH: With his wide experience, would
the Minister consider, in view of the fact that the
small rum-shop keepers have to pay $100 a year
and only sell twelve bottles of rum per month, put-
ting the two together and demanding a higher rent?

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: The difference of course is
that this is not a licence. This is a rental space; but
as I said before, it must seem to the authorities
that the space is small and that it cannot easily be
used for perhaps anything else and that the rent
charged is reasonable for it.

Mr. J. M. G. M. ADAMS: Mr. Speaker, there is
a point which I would be glad if the Minister would
clear up. In this answer he said that they had last
paid on 7th May, 1968. Can the Minister tell us up
to what date did the payment on 7th May cover in
rent?

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: Mr. Speaker, I must tell
the hon. member quite frankly that I cannot tell him
this. What I can tell him is that the rent is paid half
yearly; that is, twice a year, and that the amount of
$180 was last paid on 12/8/68 in respect of the pe-
riodof 1st March to the end of August. As I said be-
fore, the rent is payable half yearly, and this amount
was paid on 7th May in respect of the period I have
just mentioned.

Mr. CRAIG: Would the Minister be able to say
if this is a concession granted only to West Indies
Hospital Sweepstake Limited or if it is a practice
by persons renting booths to pay half yearly at Sea-
well Airport?

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: It would be difficult for me
to say whether this is a concession granted to them.
Cannot see what concession it is. They owe the rent
and have to pay it. You could pay the rent twice a
year in advance and this would be quite all right,
or you could pay it monthly, or you could pay it
yearly according to agreement between the person
who rents and the person who hires, if that is the
term. The main thing, of course, is to collect the
rent when it is due.


Mr. J. M. G. M. ADAMS: Mr. Speaker, will the
Minister look at his file and make a check as to
whether the amount was not originally quoted as $30
a month, and will he just confirm that three days
after the Question was asked, $180 was paid in?







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Hon. J. C. TUDOR: I did say that the rent was
$360 per annum.

Mr. J. M. G. M. ADAMS: I am particularly
pressing on this because the hon. member said that
the rent is payable half yearly. It may be that they
only pay twice a year, but is it not a fact that the
rent was quoted originally not on a yearly or half
yearly basis, but on a monthly basis?

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: No, I do not have that in-
formation. My information is that the rate is $360
a year.

Mr. HINDS: Mr. Speaker, did I understand the
Minister to say......

Mr. SPEAKER: I am afraid the Hon. Minister
cannot say what the hon. member understands. His
mind may not be so deep.

Mr. HINDS: Am I correct in taking it that the
Minister said that on 12/8/68 an amount of $180 was
paid in?

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: Yes, in respect of the pe-
riod March to August.

Mr. HINDS: Am I also to understand him to say
that on 7th May an amount was also received?

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: The reply is that the rental
etc. is at a rate of so much a year, and at the time
at which the hon. member asked the Question it had
been last paid on 7th May, 1968. This of course
would be in respect of an earlier period.

Mr. HINDS: How much money was paid on 7th
May, 1968?

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: $210 in respect of the pe-
riod August 1967, to February, 1968.

Mr. HINDS: Would the Minister tell us that this
$210 is a half year's amount?
3.10 p.m.

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: By arithmetic this would
appear to be seven months. The real point, of course,
is that it was paid and that the rent is up to date.

Mr. HINDS: Mr. Speaker, should I not ask the
Minister......

Mr. SPEAKER: I cannot say whether the hon.
member should ask the Minister. (Laughter)

Mr. HINDS: Then it is not true to say that they
pay half-yearly.

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: If a certain amount is paid
in respect of a period which begins on the 1st Au-
gust and goes until February, and another amount
is paid in respect of the period which starts from
March and goes to another August, and if only two


*amounts are so paid in the course of a twelve-month
period, I do not know what other conclusion the hon.
member would draw.

Sir GRANTLEY ADAMS: Will the Hon. Minis-
ter say why he stopped saying "and if","and if"?
because what he was saying amounted to nothing; but
did it occur to whoever received that money that it
was more than a half-year's payment an amount
of $2107

Mr. SPEAKER: I am afraid that I cannot accept
that supplementary as to whether it occurred to whom-
ever received that money.

Sir GRANTLEY ADAMS: Well, let me phrase it
differently for the benefit of those who do not ap-
preciate ordinary English. When that money was
paid in, was it accepted as a half-year plus a month?
What sort of receipt was given? A receipt for seven
months' pay, $210, or a receipt for half-year's pay-
ment?

Mr. HINDS: Did a period of more than half year
become due and owing at any one time?

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: I would think so, in view of
the fact that what amounts to seven months' rent
was paid at one time.

At this stage, it now being 3. 15 p.m. of the clock.

Mr. SPEAKER: I am afraid that this is the end
of Question Time for today. This Question will na-
turally remain on the Order Paper.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

ORDER POSTPONED

Mr. SPEAKER: This is the time for Private
Members' Business, and the first Order of the Day
under this Head is to resume debate on the passing
of a Resolution condemning the Government's finan-
cial proposals for the Fiscal Year 1968-69 as con-
tained in the Financial Statement ard Budgetary
Proposals made on 2nd July, 1968, by the Hon. Min-
ister of Finance.

When on the 13th August, 1968, the hon. senior
member for St. Joseph was addressing the Chair, the
time for Private Members' Business happened to
expire. The hon. senior member for St. Joseph may,
if he thinks fit, resume his address.

Mr. CRAIG: Mr. Speaker,.....

Mr. SPEAKER: The hon. senior member for St.
Joseph may resume his address,

RESOLUTION re INCREASE OF
PUBLIC ASSISTANCE

Mr. CRAIG: Mr. Speaker, I am asking leave that
Item No. 10......







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Mr. SPEAKER: May I have an intimation from
the hon. senior member for St. Joseph, on whom I
have called, as to what is his wish in respect of this?

Mr. SMITH: Mr. Speaker, I believe that the hon.
senior member for St. James might have made a
slip in that he did not draw to your attention what he
wanted to do, but he had asked me about this Reso-
lutionwhich is, in my opinion, non-controversial and
it would not take too long to be dealt with. The hon.
member had asked that it be got rid of before the
time for Private Members' Business passes because
it is expected that we will be going on holiday and
when we return here that Item Mfay be off the Order
Paper. I therefore wanted to accommodate the hon.
member. I think he must have drawn the matter to
the attention of the Hon. Leader of the House, but he
shouldhave drawn it to your attention. As I say, Sir,
Would like to accommodate him. I think that the Hon.
Leader of the House will bear me out on this.

Mr. SPEAKER: We are guilty of oversight at
times, including myself. What is the number of the
Item? (A MEMBER: No. 10.) The hon. senior mem-
ber for St. James is asking leave that Order No. 10
be taken as the first Order of the Day under Private
Members' Business, and unless there is any ob-
jection, leave will be granted. I (After a pause.) There
being no objection, leave is granted the hon. senior
member for St. James to proceed with Order No. 10
standing in his name, and that Order is to move the
passing of a Resolution relating to the increase of-
public assistance to a minimum amount of $3.00
weekly and the change of the name "Public Assis-
tance" to that of "National Assistance".

Mr. CRAIG: Mr. Speaker, I wish to apologise
for the oversight, and I may say that it was no idea
of mine to disrespect your high office. I drew the
matter to the attention of the Hon. Leader of the
House when, in truth and in fact, I should have drawn
itto your attention.I wish to apologise to Your Hon-
our for that.

Mr. SPEAKER: I accept the apology.

Mr. CRAIG: Sir, this is a Resolution which I
think that hon. members on both sides of the House
will support because it seeks to raise the very low
figure of 50 cents per week in some parishes by way
of Public Assistance to a minimum of $3.00 per
week. The Resolution in itself is quite clear. I think
that members on both sides of the House will appre-
ciate the fact that not since 1954 has this situation
beenreviewedby way of bringing a better way of life
to the more unfortunate Icitizens of our community.
I think, Mr. Speaker, that it is quitefair to say that
$3.00 per week\is even a bit low. That is why I said
that Iwould use in the Resolution the words "a min-
imum of $3.00 per week."
3.20 p.m.


When one considers the high cost of living not
only in this country, but in other countries in the
world, to give a person, due to no fault of his own -


and a person who during his time might have served
this country the small amount, like in the parish
of St. Andrew, a minimum of 500 a week is not good
enough. I know that in St. Lucy it is 604, and in places
like St. Peter and St. James it is 754. But when one
considers that a tin of corned beef is for 894, then
I do not see how the Government could have over-
looked such a deplorable state of affairs in the Minis-
try in which public assistance is looked after.

Quite recently, Mr. Speaker, between the Press
and some hon. members, there has been a little
misunderstanding as to the unfortunate circumstances
under which people find themselves in a position to
be placed in Infirmaries. When one considers that in
this year 1968 and now that we have attained nation-
hood, to use the term "Public Assistance" would
give one the impression that this is something handed
out by people in private enterprise. It is with that in
mind, Mr. Speaker, that I thought of calling upon
this House to support me inthis Resolutionto change
the name "Public Assistance" and use the term
"National Assistance", which is more in keeping
with modern times.

I have taken a trot, Mr. Speaker, on several
occasions into some of the Infirmaries. I have taken
a peep even this morning into the Nightingale Home
for Children, and I am sure that when Government
can take it upon themselves in their wisdom to pur-
chase two houses abroad for $450,000 and overlook
the great need to spend more money to improve the
conditions under which our unfortunate brothers and
sisters must live, no person on either side of the
House would disagree with this Resolution.

I believe it is an oversight on Government's
side. If I recall correctly, there is about $70,000
or $80,000 allocated to the Public Assistance Office
for the purpose of assisting Children's Homes and
Infirmaries. But merely to hear of this $70,000 or
$80,000 I do not recall the exact figure and then
to think that the sum of 500 a week is being paid to
some people makes me feel ashamed, as a Barba-
dian, as a taxpayer, or in whatever sphere I pay
taxes, to know that maybe some great grandmother,
or some relative of mine, whom I maynot have even
known, might find herself in this very unfortunate
state whereby she would receive a weekly pittance of
50.

It is true, Mr. Speaker, thatin a country as poor
as ours we cannot really do as much as we would
like to help everyone, but I must confess that when
some time ago in this august Assembly I was not
a member at that time, but I think the former Gov-
ernment was downgraded and they were reminded
that Police Dogs were fed on $2.00 a week, and at
that time Old Age Pensioners could only have been
drawing approximately the same figure on which
they were feeding Police Dogs. I wonder what they
would think of paying a person 500 a week?

In this Resolution, Mr. Speaker, I am asking this
House to support me, and I am callingon the Govern-
ment to have this whole idea of paying out Public







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,Assistance centralized, or rather to put it under the
supervision of the Central Government. In introduc-
ing this Resolution, Mr. Speaker, I sincerely hope
that the Hon. Minister would express his views on
this Resolution. I rest assured that this is not only
a Resolution which each and every member of this
Honourable Assembly can be justly proud of, but
members will be doing their own brothers and sisters
who are in straitened circumstances, a good turn
in assisting them in having a betterwayof life in the
near future.

Mr. Speaker, I beg to move that this Resolution
do now pass, and I reserve the right to reply as
Mover of this Resolution.

Mr. SPEAKER: The Mover does not have to re-
serve the right; that is his inherent and constitutional
privilege. Only a Seconder has to reserve the right.

Mr. SMITH: Mr. Speaker, I beg to second the
Motion made by the hon. senior member for St.
James. This question was a very burning one long,
long ago. From the change-over from the Vestry
system to the Local Government system, it was an-
ticipated, it was preached and it was promised that
the amount paid to the poor people of this country,
especially those in the country areas, was too low,
taking into consideration the fact that those in the
City were getting a great deal more than those in the
country districts. You will be surprised, Sir, to know
that some of the parishes pay 604 per fortnight, and
some $1.00 per fortnight.

Well, Sir, when I was a memberofthe Council -
before the present Government "fired" me we
were working hard to get a uniform rate; that is to
say, the same amount that is being paid in the City
would be paid all over the area, bearing in mind that
most of the taxes collected down here are from the
earnings of people in the country districts.
3.30 p.m.

When I say that, I mean that you have the stores in
Bridgetown where you buy food, clothes, cane cutting
implements and so on, and the trade returns are
made in the City, but the money comes from the rural
districts. There is a certain amount of foodwhich is
consumed in the country areas forwhich the parishes
should be drawing that trade tax; but instead of that
the returns are made by the business people in the
City, when in truth and in fact all the money is not
made'in the City, and that is where the folk down
here manage to get a little more than those in the
country. I cannot remember how much the poorpeo-
ple down here receive, but I do not think it is less
than $3.00 per week. If they receive $3.00 a week,
it is but fair that others all over the Island should
be paid $3.00 a week.

Now, Sir, I am not talking about young people,
because they do not want Public Assistance. I am
talking about those 80 and 90 year olds who have
worked and contributed to the wealth of this country
for which they received 8 cents and 10 cents a day
for their labour at that time. There are some old


people today who are only existing on the Old Age
Pension. It is better than nothing, but that cannot
keep an old person. As a matter of fact, $1.00 a day
cannot keep an old person because he should have at
least one tin of Ovaltine weekly, a few pints of milk
and at least one egg per day, taking into considera-
tion what they have done for this country. They are
responsible for the people who today can eat ten
eggs and nine hams; but they are now thrown aside
and are only waiting for the call. It is our duty,
therefore, as representatives of the people to think
in terms of helping them, regardless of the cost. If
we are going to think of the cost, we could have post-
poned the expenditure of $450,000 for two houses and
given them part of it. I feel that we should think in
terms of not less than $1.00 perdaywhether it comes
from Central or Local Government, because they are
not qualified for any assistance otherwise. The
houses in which they live are nothing. I pray, and I
feel my prayers are heard, that we do not have a
storm, because I have not heard about one anywhere
near. Knowing the condition of the majority of these
people's houses, the Government would have to look
for some warm dollars, and those people should be
protected from the sun and the rain.

Mr. Speaker, you may not have the opportunity of
going at these places, not being an undertaker or a
doctor, because these are the people that the under-
taker has to cater to. When one wants a lawyer, he
has to go to his office; but when he wants the under-
taker, the latter has to go to his home; so a doctor
and an undertaker are two important people. I am in
a position to point out to Government the conditions
of these people, and I am sure the Minister of Health
agrees with what I am saying, because some of the
houses he visited in the last election are still in the
same condition. I have to take back my words that one
has to go to a lawyer's office. A lawyer has to go
to a person's home when he is soliciting his support;
so he, too, will see these houses unless he closes
his eyes to them. I can remember seeing a lawyer
canvassing one day, and he was sitting on a rock help-
ing the old lady to push the fire under the pot. He is
now the Attorney General of Barbados. I can call
names. By pushing that fire I believe he has risen
to such a height. I am sure that he would bear me out
if this Resolution had to go to the Other Place. This
Government should set aside a certain amount yearly
to help these people since they cannot qualify for a
loan at the Housing Authority. These people are left
alone only waiting on the good mercies of the Al-
mighty, and yet we are boasting that we represent
poor people.

I believe, Sir, that I am holding up this Resolu-
tion by talking for so long. No sooner had the Hon.
Introducer moved it and I had seconded it, we should
both have taken our seats and let it go to the vote,
because I am sure that each and every one of us in
here knows the conditions of these people. As I said,
they are not even provided for bythe National Insur-
ance. One man came to me this morning. He said he
worked at Mount Wilton Plantation, and a single day
put him out from his claims. His timewas up and the
Manager called on him to resign, and he had to pay







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fifty contributions, and in this case one day put him
out and he lost completely.
3.40 p.m.

It is one of the hardest schemes thatI have ever
thought about. Do you know, Sir, that I do not even
know if the Government realises how hard-and-fast
the Rules of that National Insurance can be? Imagine
fifty contributions being paid, all up to one day and he
is in the same boat as the one who has not qualified
at alli This National Insurance Scheme wants going
over completely or the regulations need to be torn
up and drafted in terms of helping the poor, old peo-
ple. Do not let the authorities try to build up a Fund
with money to be put in there and the people who
helped to put that money in the Fund find that it is of
no use to them You will soon hear how many thou-
sand pounds or how many millions of dollars have
been put in this Scheme, but you will still get old
people being starved, without anywhere to live; they
cannot sleep and things of that sort, whereas the
money is there being piled up only for young people
thirty and forty years old, but not for the ones who
have worked hard and very hard. This makes me
remember the Hon. Leader of the House. He noticed
that there was an old lady withwhom it was more than
hard and he had to bring a knap-sack in here to con-
vince my Government that there are old people who
needed help. He did that and I believe he did it in good
faith. (Sir GRANTLEY ADAMS: Whatwas inthe knap-
sack?) A lard oil bottle, a butter tot and some other
things. He asked the last Government if an old lady
could exist on that little pittance which she was get-
ting in St. Lucy and the cost of living......

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: If the hon. memberwould give
way ......

Mr. SPEAKER: Is this a point of order?

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: No. The hon. member is
quite right, but he should also have said that his Gov-
ernment did not accede to my request.

Mr. SPEAKER: That is certainly not a point of
order. The Hon. Leader of the House has said that
what the hon. senior member for St. Josephhas said
is quite right, but he has pointed out that the hon.
member did not add that the hon. member's Govern-
ment did not accede to his request.

Mr. SMITH: Well, Sir, my replyto him is that he
should not follow pattern because what my Govern-
ment has suffered, his Government may suffer now.
(Laughter) I That is a pointer and a reminder, and do
not let the hon. member try to get out of it by trying
to bring in my Government, because the same stick
that hit Dick might hit Bob. This Government must
listen and take the time from the Opposition when it
comes to the poor people; otherwise they will bear
the penalty. They should accede to the request of
the Opposition when it comes to the poor, hard
working-class people. I know them; you know them,
Sir, and he knows them. I think that the hon. member
had to buy that knap-sack to bring it in here because
the old lady could not buy it; she did not have the


money with which to buy it. He had to buy it and deco-
rate this Hon. Chamber with those tins, pans and
bottles.

The hon. senior member for St. James did not
think it fit to bring inthese things, but I am sure that
he could have brought in a knap-sack or a piece of
fine bag so as to convince this Government. We would
not have to go so far as to bring in these things be-
cause we all know the position by now. The cost of
living is soaring sky high and the only time, I be-
lieve, that we will be able to catchup with it is if we
take one of those jets. We cannot reach the cost of
living by walking down here. Soon, and very soon, I
may meet it up there, but these poor people will have
to remain down here and keep their mouths wide
open and pray to the Almighty God. The Lord is going
to help us. As I have readinthe Good Book, He pro-
vides every bird with aberry-lam in order in say-
ing that but he does not put it in the nest. We will
have to put these poor people's berries in their nests
because these people cannot do it. Worst of all, if
this Government does not turn over a new leaf, we
will be back in the saddle on this same question of
Local Government because they have thrown the old
people aside. They have dragged them from St. An-
drew to St. Lucy to an Almshouse, from St. Joseph
to St. Thomas, and they are dragging them all about
as you would drag about a dead mule; and are you
telling me that that is what you are doing for the
poor people who are responsible for all of us being
in here?

Mr. Speaker, if the franchise had not been low-
ered, I may have got the job of sweeping out in here,
but not to occupy one of these seats, and that applies
to a lot of us. You would either have to have a lot of
money in your pocket, or your colour wouldhave to
be a different one. From the time that the franchise
was lowered, these same old people had the oppor-
tunity; they had the chance then to say: "Well, let
us try our people now," and they tried us and now
are we throwing it back intheirfaces to forget them?
Let us face facts. Mr. Government Minister and
members, let us face facts.

Mr. SPEAKER: The hon. member is still ad-
dressing the Chair.

Mr. SMITH: Yes, Sir.

Mr. SPEAKER: Not 'Mr. Government Minister
and members.'

Mr. SMITH: All right, Sir, I am thinking in terms
of these people; they are responsible for us being in
here. If they are not responsible forus, they are re-
sponsible for me; but I feel that they are responsi-
ble for every one ofus being inhere. I know the time
when the people did not even know who were their
representatives; they did not know where they lived;
but now the people wants togowhere they live and
bring water for them on Sundays and even to fill up
the barrels, because they are accustomed to us now.
You look out there on the wall and you will see that
there are very few slim fellows; they are all big







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*shots who are representing the people. There is a,
saying that the child who has not got a mother cannot
cry for breast milk; it can cry, but it cannot get that
breast milk. Today we are adorning this House, mak-
ing nice speeches, talking all over our faces and
waiting until the election comes and the poor peo-
ple are dying This state of affairs should not exist
in this country. People are getting $3.00 per week
and $3.50 per week, but let us think in terms of these
people; let us make the people believe that we are
with them and let us help them to live a few years
longer.

Mr. Speaker, I am speaking out of the favour of
the undertaker now. I do not mind; but if these people
could get a little more and a little nutritious food,
they will live a lot longer. Their organs are in or-
der, their hearts are beating perfectly, but theywant
the spoon. This is a very dangerous thing the lack
of nutritious food, because that can kill you over-
night. The amount of 60 cents per week or $3.50 per
week is only just touching the fringe of the matter.
When I say a dollar per day, the amount should not be
less because these people have to relyontheir chil-
dren who also have children. You will meet a wife
and a husband in a house and both their mothers or
fathers are in the same house and they have to care
for them and feed them. Youwill know, Sir, how hard
it is.
3.50 p.m.

Let us open our eyes wide this afternoon. I am
going to sit and find out if I am going to get any op-
position to this Resolution. I sincerely hope not, be-
cause the person who is going to speak and vote
against it will be giving a sure indication that he is
not going to return, or he is so sure of not returning
that he will be like the old mule that does not care
whom he kicks when he is going to die. This is one
of the poor people's Resolutions, and I sincerely hope
that hon. members of this Chamber will learn to
know ourselves.

Hon. C. E. TALMA: Mr. Speaker, if there are no
other members who would like to speak, I think I will
reply.

Mr. SPEAKER: Actually, the reply is with the
hon. senior member for St. James.

Hon. C. E. TALMA: Mr. Speaker, I meant from
the Government side. I would like to give this House
the assurance that the Government views this Reso-
lution with deep sympathy and understanding, and it
is really for this specific purpose, among others, that
the Local Government system was abolished. The
Local Government system was abolished and the
Interim Commissioner set up temporarily mainly
for these objectives: (1) To establish a uniform rate
of taxation on an Island-wide basis, and to utilise the
Trade Tax more beneficially and equitably to level
off the high rate of taxation which, at present, is
charged in the Northern and Southern areas; (2) to
increase and rationalise the rate of assistance paid
to poor persons now in receipt of such assistance;
(3) To provide Improved services Island-wide.


At present there are Bills which are being
drafted in order for the complete take-over to be
effected. I refer to the National Health Act or Bill -
until it is passed here, it is a Bill and not an Act -
the National Assistance Bill, and other pieces of
legislation dealing with Day Nurseries; Community
Centres which will be under the Social Welfare De-
partment; Playing Fields will be under the Sports
Department, and so on. That legislation is being
drafted and worked on. When that is done, the in-
tention is to do precisely what is said here today;
so that Government is fully aware of the fact that
$1.50 in the City area, or in St. Michael, and $1.20
per week which is paid in Christ Church, or 600
or 75 0 per week which is paid in some of the other
parishes, is entirely out of keeping with the present
high cost of living. These matters are at present
engaging the Cabinet's attention.

The question of utilising the Trade Taxto keep
down and level off the rate of taxation in the Northern
and Southern areas has been considered. The ques-
tion of increasing the assistance to poor persons is
under active consideration, and it is very refreshing
to know, or to realise, that hon. members of the Op-
position are taking that keen interest in this matter
which the Government is already pursuing.

As to the $80,000 referred to bythe Hon. Mover
of the Motion, the hon. seniormemberforSt. James,
that amount is included for outstanding repairs to la-
vatories, floors, roofs, and so on, at the St. Michael's
Infirmary and the Nightingale Home. That is the
amount of money which has been allocated in these
Estimates for repairs and improvements to these
two places.

In so far as the point raised by the hon. senior
member for St. Joseph is concerned, he said that
some of these poor people have worked from the
cradle to the grave, and they have not been taken
care of in the manner in which they expected us to
treat them. It amounts to that. I want to let him
know that an amount of $20,000 has been included in
the Housing Authority Estimates to assistpoorpeo-
ple who cannot repay money, so that they can get
some assistance in repairing their houses. It is a
gift and not a loan. There is provision for assisting
the very poor and destitute in the Housing Authority"
Estimates. This is an innovation; it was only done
recently; it was not always there; it was done this
year.

In so far as the purchase of the two houses for
$450,000 is concerned, that is a reflection on the vote
of the House, and I cannot help the hon. member on
that point. He sat and voted for it; it was passed by
the House, and I cannot reflect on it. I do not think
he can either.

Mr. SPEAKER: The hon. memberwas verywary.
He referred to it, and, as soon as he saw the ex-
pression on my face,he proceededto somethingelse.

Hon. C. E. TALMA: So whether or not that money
could be more beneficially spent, it is a matter







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,which is closed. I will have to find new funds in
order to assist these poor people by paying them
something more rational and reasonable by way of a
weekly assistance or National Assistance as it will
be called. I want to draw to the attention of hon.
members, Mr. Speaker, that this is a financial mat-
ter. In other words, it can pass the House. I think
every member is aware of that.

Mr. SPEAKER: The sitting is not suspended; I
am leaving the Chair for a few seconds.
4.00 p.m.

(After a pause.)

Hon. C. E. TALMA: Mr. Speaker, I was making
the point that this is a financial matter, and as such,
no matter how good the intention may be in passing
the Resolution today, we do not onlywantto pass the
Resolution; we want the people to benefit. Being a
financial matter, I think the Ministry of Finance and
the Cabinet should be allowed to investigate the matter
more thoroughly, and I am going to suggest that fur-
ther consideration be postponed, because at any rate
it has to await legislation which is being provided, and
we are hoping to have it here in another few months.
I was hoping to have it here before, but it should be
here shortly, and I give the assurance thatwhen this
legislation is finished, we will deal with everything
at one time. I am inentire agreement with the terms
of the Resolution for the increase; yet I am not in a
position to give the undertaking that people will get
the money next week or next month. I want to sug-
gest to the hon. mover that hewillget all the neces-
sary kudos and credit for having brought it, but at
the same time unless the Ministry of Finance and the
Cabinet carefully examine the implications of the
Resolution, the Resolution will pass, but it may not
get all the benefit and support which it should get. I
am therefore asking that the matter be postponed and
we will deal with it very soon again. Meanwhile I will
try to have the legislation expedited in order that
the terms of the Resolution maybe implemented in a
practical way. Passing the Resolution is one thing,
but the practical implementation is another. The
Resolution has the fullest sympathy and greatest un-
derstanding from my Ministry and the Government,
and we shall do all in ourpowerto see that increases
are given by way of National Assistance by the
National Assistance Board.

Again I repeat that one of the main objects of
centralisation was, apart from establishing one rate
for the whole Island and utilising the Trade Tax to
more beneficial advantage, to see that we increase
the Public Assistance grant to those poor people who
have worked from the cradle to the grave, as has
been so well stated by hon. members who have spoken
before.

I beg to move that further consideration of this
Resolution be postponed.

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: I beg to second that.
Sir GRANTLEY ADAMS: Mr. Speaker, I am em-
phatically opposed to that, andIwill move an amend-


ment. The hon. member kept saying that it is a
financial matter. What can the Opposition do but
merely pass a Resolution and leave it to Government
to see whether they could afford that sum? All we
can do over here is to saywe would like Government
to- spend more money on this, thatorthe other thing,
and they would fix the sum. If the hon. member is
worried over the fact that it is a specific sum men-
tioned, then I will move as an amendment I hope
the hon. member will agree to itthoughl should have
spoken to him first inserting the word "say" be-
fore the words "three dollars". Suppose the Gov-
ernment feels it can go a little further and make it
$3.50; the Government is not tied bythe exact word-
ing. Whatwe are saying is that you should spend more
money on National Assistance. The hon. member
thinks the minimum should be $3.00. As long as we
say "the minimum", of course it means the Gov-
ernment may feel it can go one better and make it
$4.00; so that if the word "say" is put in, it will
show that the Resolution from this side is not em-
phatically saying that the minimum must be $3.00.

I repeat, I am sorry the Minister should have
made this mistake because he is a seasoned Minister
and a seasoned parliamentarian. The fact that it is a
financial matter only means that we cannot move and
get a Resolution to pass that money. We must merely
ask Government to think of it. If the Government votes
for this Resolution as it should, it will show that it
is sympathetic to it, but we are not telling the Gov-
ernment to bring down a Billforaminimum of $3.00;
but surely all parliamentary procedure is that if the
Opposition feels the Government should spend more
money than they are spending at the present moment
they tell them so in a Resolution. I therefore ask hon.
members to vote for my amendment rather than to
vote for the motion for postponement. It is not a
happy thing at all to postpone matters of this sort,
plus the fact that this is all an Opposition can do.
We are asking you to spend more money on Na-
tional Assistance, and we threw in the suggestion
not to make it less than $3.00.

Hon. C. E. TALMA: Mr. Speaker, on a point of
order, I am afraid the hon. memberhas more or less
stated what I said in different terms. It is for that
reason that I askforfurther considerationto be post-
poned for a week or a short period for Cabinet to
get an opportunity to consider whether it agreedwith
$3.00, $3.50 or $4.00, and then we couldhave a more
specific amount put in which would be satisfactory to
all. If, on the other hand, without consulting Cabinet
and the Ministry of Finance we agree to $3.00, it
means that we do not know whether we can pay $3.00
or more or less. I do not see any harm in postponing
the matter.

Mr. SPEAKER: I am afraid that is not a point
of order by the hon. member for Christ Church, but
he is entitled to speak again in as much as an amend-
ment was moved after he had spoken. He has now
spoken.

Mr. LYNCH: Mr. Speaker, I beg to second the
amendment.







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Sir GRANTLEY ADAMS: Mr. Speaker, if Iam ip
order having moved the amendment......

Mr. SPEAKER: I am afraid the mover of an
amendment is not entitled to reply.

Sir GRANTLEY ADAMS: I am speaking in reply
to a point made by the hon. member.

Mr. SPEAKER: That could only be to a point of
explanation.

Sir GRANTLEY ADAMS: It is really a point of
explanation because I want to explain that the very
words the hon. member just used are what I have
used. When it goes to Cabinet you may consider $4.00.
We are not asking you to tie yourself to it. I hope
I have made clear what I tried to make clear when I
first spoke.

Mr. SPEAKER: The point has been made.
4.10 p.m.
The question th at the word proposed to be inserted stand
part was put and resolved in the affirmative without division.

The question that this Resolution as amended do now pass
was put and resolved in the affirmative, Mr. SPEAKER declar-
ing I think the 'Ayes' have it."
RESOLUTION re SMALL TRANSPORT SERVICE
IN THE COUNTRY DISTRICTS

Mr. SPEAKER: The next Order of the Dayunder
Private Members' Business, stands in the name of
the hon. senior member forSt. Joseph, Order No. 11,
and it is to move the passing ..... (A PAUSE)

Mr. SMITH: Mr. Speaker, I think that you are
calling the right Order. I would like to deal with that
Order. It is non-controversial, we have very little
time left and I would like to get it passed in that
time. I am therefore asking leave that Order No.ll,
standing in my name, be taken as the next Order of
the Day.
Mr. SPEAKER: The hon. member is asking leave
that Order No. 11 standing in his name, be taken as
the next Order of the Day, and unless there is any
objection, leave will be granted. (A PAUSE) There
being no objection, leave is granted to the hon. senior
member for St. Joseph to move the passing of a Reso-
lution requesting the Goverment to investigate the
possibilities of instituting a small transport service
in the country districts to alleviate hardships.

Mr. SMITH: Mr. Speaker, this Resolution only
needs the introduction. I feel that all hon. members
are fully aware of the hardships that are being
meted out to some of those people inthe country dis-
tricts who are not in a position to hire motor cars.
In the country districts, especially in St. Joseph and
St. Andrew and even in St. John, in the first place
you will find that there are hawkers who go between
the three parishes, they buy their stuff, and on ac-
count of the fact that the regular bus route is direct
to Bridgetown and not cross-country, they find it
very hard to convey their goods, for instance, from


New Castle, St. John. You have the hawkers going
there and buying bananas and all kinds of fruit and
they have to "head" themfrom St. Johnto St. Joseph
because there is no transport across the country. You
will find that they have to "head" their fruit all the
way down St. Thomas, and you will meet these wo-
men with these large baskets and trays with no less
than 500 pounds or 600 pounds on their heads wend-
ing their way through the sun and rain. Sir, I feel
that these small mini-buses or mini-wagons should
be allowed to be used for hire so that these people
will be able to hire them for transporting these
goods. I am not asking the Government to allow these
mini-wagons or mini-buses to interfere with the bus
routes that is to say, you have a bus running on
Martins Bay, St. John to Bridgetown, and that is all
right. I am not asking the Government to put the
small buses there to compete with the concession-
aires across the country; I am asking the Govern-
ment to investigate the matter and see thatthere is a
great need for transport of this sort across the coun-
try.

Sometimes these women reach their homes
soaking wet when the rain is falling, and sometimes
they have to sleep out from their homes, because
they cannot get back to their homes. I feel that this
country is too small for people not being able to find
easy transport to and from their homes. You even
have people working in the Department of Highways
and Transport who have to go from St. Andrew to St.
Peter to St. John all across the country; there are
workers who cannot use bicycles because, in some
cases, they are too old, and in other cases that
transport does not suit bicycles inasmuch as the
places are too hilly for the use of bicycles. At night
you meet these local preachers who are going from
parish to parish, and it is very difficult for them to
get transport. They cannot charter a bus because
sometimes they cannot gather as many people as
would fill the bus, and they will either have to pay
the full cost of the bus for one-half the number of
people or they cannot go out at all.
4.20 p.m.

Now, you are depriving these people of their
rights and privileges to visit the various churches
to which they belong. It is a difficult question, and
it is a most burning one. Since the Government have
dismantled, or shut down, some of the Almshouses
in St. Joseph, St. Andrew and, I believe, St. John,
too, I feel that families wouldlike to visit these peo-
ple, but they are not in apositionto hire a motorcar
to go and visit them.

Sir, I can see from the Minister's face that I
would not have to go any further with this Resolu-
tion, and I respectfully beg that this Resolution do
now pass.

Mr. CRAIG: I beg to second that.

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: Mr. Speaker, when the hon.
member first mentioned this matter and the Hon.
Prime Minister was in the House at the time, the
Prime Minister suggested that the matter ought to








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begone into very thoroughly. He suggested also that,
perhaps, a Select Committee, an all-Party Commit-
tee of this House, might be appointed to investigate
the matter and to make the appropriate recommen-
dations which the Government would accept.

I am, therefore, suggesting that the hon. mem-
ber accept an amendment to the third paragraph
which would read:

"BE IT RESOLVED that a Select Committee of
this Hon. House be appointed to investigate this mat-
ter and to make recommendations for improving
transport services in the rural areas."

If the hon. member would accept that, I beg to move
the following amendment:

"BE IT RESOLVED that a Select Committee of
this Hon. House be appointed to investigate this mat-
ter and to make recommendations for improving
transport services in the rural areas."

Mr. SMITH: Mr. Speaker, I accept that.

The question that the Resolution, as amended, do now
pass was put and resolved in the affirmative without division.

Mr. SPEAKER: I would ask the following hon.
members if they would be willing to serve on the
Committee:

The hon. senior member for St. George
The hon. junior member for St. John
The Hon. Leader of the House
The hon. senior member for St. Joseph
The hon. senior member for St. James
The hon. junior member for St. Peter,
and I have been askedto be associatedwith the Com-
mittee, and I will gladly do so. I take it that hon.
members have agreed to serve.

Hon. MEMBERS: Yes.

GOVERNMENT BUSINESS

Mr. SPEAKER: In view of the hour, we will now
revert to Government Business. When we were last
so engaged, the hon. senior member for St. James
was addressing the Chamber.

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: Mr. Speaker, before the hon.
member gets up to resume, I am askingleave of the
House to lay an additional document andtogive sup-
plementary notices of four Resolutions.


Mr. SPEAKER: The hon. member is asking
leave of the House to lay a statement and to give no-
tice of certain Resolutions.


Sir GRANTLEY ADAMS: Mr. Speaker, I would
like the hon. member to say whether he is later go-
ing to ask leave to proceed with any of them today,
because we would not agree to that.


Hon. J. C. TUDOR: I had intended, Mr. Speaker,
in respect of one of them so to ask, but not of the
other three.
4.30 p.m.

I would indicate to Your Honour and to the House
that one of the Resolutions ofwhich I propose to give
notice and in respect of which I wish to proceed in
all its stages is the Resolution to approve the guar-
antee by Government of a loan of $1.35 million to be
raised by the Barbados Marketing Corporation. I
have been informed by my colleague, the Hon. Min-
ister of Agriculture, that he had consulted with the
Hon. and Learned Leader of the Opposition and had
gained his approval for proceeding with this matter.

Sir GRANTLEY ADAMS: Absolutely untrue. I
cannot imagine a more brazen man on earth.

Mr. SPEAKER: I am afraid there are two hon.
members on their feet.

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: It was on the basis of that
assurance that I said what I said.

Mr. SPEAKER: Is the Leaderof the House seek-
ing leave to proceed to give notice of certain mat-
ters?

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: Yes, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. SPEAKER: The Hon. Leader of the House
is asking leave to give notice of certainmatters. He
is not asking anything other than that. Unless there
is any objection, leave will be granted.

There being no objection, leave is granted.

PAPERS LAID

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: Mr. Speaker, I am com-
manded to lay "The Civil Establishment (General)
(Amendment) (No. 5) Order, 1968."

GOVERNMENT NOTICES

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: Mr. Speaker onbehalfof the
Hon. and Learned Prime Minister, Minister of Fi-
nance and Minister of External Affairs, Ibegto give
notice of the following:

A Resolution to place the sum of $182,801 at the
disposal of the Government to supplement the Esti-
mates 1968-69. Part II Capital as shown in the
Supplementary Estimates 1968-69 No. 26whichform
the Schedule to the Resolution.

A Resolution to place the sum of $75,000 at the
disposal of the Government to supplement the Esti-
mates 1968-69, Part I Current as shown in the
Supplementary Estimates 1968-69 No. 27 which form
the Schedule to the Resolution.

A Resolution to approve the guarantee by Gov-
ernment of a loan of $1,350,000 to be raised by the
Barbados Marketing Corporation.







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Resolution to approve the Civil Establishment
(General) (Amendment) (No. 5) Order 1968.

With respect, Mr. Speaker, to Resolutions 1 and
2, it is my intention to move the House into Commit-
tee of Supply at its next meeting to deal with these
in all their stages. With respect to ResolutionNo. 3,
on the basis of what I have just said, the Minister of
Agriculture proposes to deal with this Resolution
in all its stages at today's sitting.

Mr. SPEAKER: Now shall we proceedwithGov-
ernment Business at the stage at which it left off,
when we were considering......

Hon. A. DaC. EDWARDS: Mr. Speaker, I just
want on a point of order to set certain records
straight.

Mr. SPEAKER: Would the hon. membermake his
point of order?

Hon. A. DaC. EDWARDS: Earlier today I spoke
with three members of the Opposition who were in
their places: the hon. senior member for St. Joseph,
the hon. junior member for St. Peter and the hon.
junior member for St. Joseph. I pointed out to them
that it was an urgent matter which I wanted to deal
with, and it was a question of guaranteeing a loan
for the Barbados Marketing Corporation if it is to
be kept going. In respect of the hon. senior member
for St. Joseph and the hon. junior member for St.
Peter, they intimated that they would be willing to
deal with it. The hon. junior member for St. Joseph
said that if he got the papers early he would give
consideration to doing it later in the afternoon. Ear-
lier today the hon. juniormemberforSt. Joseph also
said whilst standing in his place that there would be
discussion later in the afternoon on something to deal
with the B.M.C. The hon. member said so today
whilst addressing the Chair on another matter. Un-
fortunately I was not able to get the papers out of the
Ministry of Finance early enough to let hon. mem-
bers get them before now. I was on the telephone to
and fro so that hon. members would have them ear-
lier. I just want to say that it is not a new loan. It is
what the House has already approved inpart, and al-
though it is $1.35 million and the Opposition may be
howling, when they shall have read the Resolution,
they will see that it is not......

Mr. SPEAKER: I deprecate the word"howling"
though it is not unparliamentary. The hon. members
proceeding now to discuss the matter. I permitted
the hon. member to explain.

Hon. A. DaC. EDWARDS: Far from it, Mr.
Speaker. I just want to give an explanation that in
giving notice the Leader of the House made mention
of $1.35 million. It is what they owe away already; it
is nothing new.

Sir GRANTLEY ADAMS: With your permission,
it is only fair for me to say what I understood the
hon. member to have said about any agreement. When
the Hon. Leader of the House said $1.35 million, I


.nearly to use the hon. member's unparliamentary
expression howled. What was said over here in my
hearing was that it was going to be a loan. I was told
by the hon. member onmy left that the Hon. Minister
who has just spoken promised thatwe would have this
matter by 1.30 p.m. He has now made an explanation
why he has not got it, but surely if no promise was
made, and no specific promise was ever made by
me save: "Let us have it and I will give you an an-
swer later" surely we on this side absolutely
strongly object to dealing with the matter now.

Mr. SPEAKER: As a matter of fact, we are
about to deal, and I ask the hon. senior member for
St. James if he will proceed with the matter which
was before us immediately before the suspension
for lunch, when he was addressing the Chair on the
item that the Civil Establishment (General) (Amend-
ment) Order be approved. Let the hon. senior mem-
ber for St. James proceed.

Mr. CRAIG: Mr. Speaker, earlier in the day I
drew to the attention of the House that it was not a
bad idea when Government set about to have their
departments streamlined. It is regrettable, however,
that there are some Government Departments which
need a complete revamping. Foremost in my mind
is the Labour Department where it,has always been
unfortunate to find that appointments there seem to be
something hard to confirm. One only has to remember
how difficult it was for a Mr. Pedro Welch to be ap-
pointed in that Department, and one can say that
this is a Department which, I think, needs looking
into. Another thing, Mr. Speaker, is that in the re-
placement of four established posts of Grades I and
II Clerk by four posts of Clerical Officers, the time
has come when I think Government must expand the
Department of the Controller of Supplies. They need
more staff and three or four more Inspectors cannot
serve the community in the manner in which it
should be served.
4.40 p.m.



I have always felt that the Ministry of Trade -
and there is no reflection on the Government; this
is only my personal view and Labour should be
under one Portfolio, and I believe that it would givo
the Minister a better look-in at the actual conditions
of things which go on in some of these stores, and
especially in a place like Swan Street where you
have many of the clerks exploited by some of the
merchants in these stores. It may be that one would
say that this is a matter for the Trade Union, and
one on the other hand might say that it is a matter
for the people themselves to come together. I be-
lieve however, that if an Inspector of Supplies were
to carry out the job also of inspecting the actual con-
ditions under which the people in many of these
stores and in some of the supermarkets work, one
would exactly understand that in some weeks manyof
them receive an amount which is as low as $5 when,
in truth and in fact, when they go to work they are
told that they will be given the minimum amount of
money which the Union or the Government stipulates.







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Mr. Speaker, another thing which comes to my
mind in this Resolution is the actual work done by
these Inspectors from the office of the Controller
of Supplies. As my colleague, the hon. juniormember
for St. Peter said earlier today, Iwonderif these du-
ties are really carried out by these people, not be-
cause they are not doing their duties as they should
do them, but because there are so few persons to
carry out the duties over such a number of stores and
supermarkets. It is not surprising that on some
Saturday you go to one supermarket and find that
the price of an item is 20 more than it is at the other
supermarket which is just a matter of yards away.
It is with this in mind, Mr. Speaker, that I would like
the Minister in charge of this Resolution to look into
the strengthening of the office of the Controller of
Supplies and to provide it not onlywithfour Clerical
Officers, but to increase the staff in that particular
Department whereby they will be able to carry out
their job as efficiently as they should.

As far as the adjustment in relation to the
creation of the post of Senior Technical Officer on
the recommendation of the United Nations for an
Industrial Bureau of Standards, I think that much
more cannot be added to what the Hon. Leader of the
Opposition has said earlier today. A post of this
nature as recommended by the United Nations, is not
a post in respect of which we can take a Senior Civil
Servant and send him up to do three months' or six
months' training for the purpose of his coming back
here to carry out such a highly-qualified and skilled
job. A post such as this is one which one must under-
stand must be dealtwithbyanofficerwho is equipped
to do this job. Rather than just spending a couple of
dollars and sending out a manto be trained for three
or six months, I would strongly advise the Govern-
ment that in their own interest, in the interest of
the country and in the interest of the goods which we
now manufacture to keep them up to the standard
of competing against other countries throughout the
Caribbean, they cannot just think of sending out a
Civil Servant to undertake this training. It is neces-
sary for us to send out a man and to spend a few
more thousand dollars in having this man qualified,
and in the mean time, hope that the United Nations
will be able to assist us during the training of this
man abroad.

Sir, I am not casting any reflections on any one
who might probably take up this post, but it is not as
simple a post as it might appearto some hon. mem-
bers. It is with this in mind that I wish to endorse
the remarks which have been made by the Hon.
Leader of the Opposition in calling upon the Gov-
ernment to review this whole case, andto make sure
that the man who is sent out will not be sent out just
for a matter of months to be trained, but to have him
qualified in a postwhereby at some future date he will
be able to assist the nation in the working of the
actual Bureau of Standards. Idonotthinkthat, after
hearing my colleague from St. Peter and the Hon.
Leader of the Opposition, there is much more which
I would like to add. I would also ask the Government
that they find it possible to try and speed up the ap-
.pointments in the Civil Service whereby it wouldn't


*allow young men and women to get a bit disgruntled
and leave the Service because of the longwait which
they have to take in the Civil Service. If one were
only to take an example, if one canonly recall care-
fully, Barbados is in the unfortunate position to have
lost the services of a top Specialist in Surgery in the
person of Errol Walrond who, because of another
Government's I would not like to say that this is a
reflection on the Minister, but I have a little inside
information which does not really come in this
Resolution, but it shows howyou can lose people.....

Hon. C. E. TALMA: On a point of order. Mr.
Speaker, I would like to draw to the attention of the
hon. member, and to the attention of the House that
Ministers have no say whatever in making appoint-
ments, so that there will not be any reflection cast
on me or on any other Minister for that matter. We
have no say in that at all.

Mr. CRAIG: I know that the Public Service Com-
mission makes the appointments, but I made myself
quite clear by saying that this is not any reflection
on the Ministers themselves. I am only calling on
the Government to make sure that these appoint-
ments or the Government should persuade the
Public Service Commission to fill more of these
appointments. A few days ago I was looking through
the Civil List and I saw that there were 235 posts
vacant in the Civil Service, from the post of Mes-
senger to that of Permanent Secretary. One can
become a bit disenchanted when he finds himself in
the position of acting in a post for a number of
years, and then there is no certaintythathe is going
to fill this post. I say that it is a very healthy sign
to see that the Government in this Resolutionhas set
out to streamline the Civil Service and to provide
the country with the necessary people, and give the
Civil Servants a better hope for a future career.


The question that this Resolution do now pass was put
and resolved in the affirmative without division.
4.50 p.m.
Mr. SPEAKER: There is no otherbusiness under
this Head on the Order Paper, except No. 2, which I
understood the Hon. Minister did not propose
to deal with today.

Hon. A. DaC. EDWARDS: Mr. Speaker, now that
the Hon. Leader of the Opposition has had a look at
the Resolution...... (ASIDES) Let me put it this way,
Sir. Now that he has had time to have a look at the
Resolution, and seeing that it is only a loan to pay
off a loan and to give the Corporation capital to
operate with, I am wondering whether he would be
willing to discuss the matter this afternoon.

I can assure the hon. memberthatwhenhe shall
have heard the case for the Corporation, even if he
did not do it this afternoon, he wouldbe sorry he did
not do it this afternoon, because some of his con-
stituents are suffering as a result of the plight of the
Corporation. I am asking for the indulgence of the
Hon. Leader of the Opposition, on behalf of his own
constituents, to let us deal with this Resolution.







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Let us deal with this Resolution, because the
farmers in the country are affected in that the Cor-
poration cannot purchase their produce. The longer
we delay with the matter, the longer the farmers
in this country will suffer. I am asking the Hon.
Leader of the Opposition not only on his behalf, but
on behalf of the people that he and I, and all of us in
here have the honour and distinction to represent
to let us do it this afternoon.

Sir GRANTLEY ADAMS: Mr. Speaker, if the hon.
member had a mentally defective child..... (An Hon.
MEMBER: I cannot hear you.)
Mr. SPEAKER: During the recess I intend hav-
ing this entire equipment overhauled.
Sir GRANTLEY ADAMS: Mr. Speaker, I was
saying that if the hon. member had a mentally de-
fective child holding up a sugar cake to a grown-up
to appeal to the person to do something for it and
using that as a temptation, he could not have done
worse than by telling us that my parishioners will
suffer, if we do not agree to discuss the Resolution.

Mr. SPEAKER: Now, will the Hon. Leader of
the Opposition forgive my interposing here? If it is
still not the intention of the Opposition to agree to
proceed with this matterthis afternoon, having heard
the discussion which has taken place on both sides,
having regard to the fact that these papers were not
laid at a time which I regard as early from the
standpoint of this meeting, and that they have only
just been circulated if the opposition to proceeding
with the Resolution is still maintained, I feel it is my
duty not to agree for this matter to be proceeded
with now. Therefore, as this is a matter in which
the giving of leave could be refused if there is one
dissentient, I would not agree to the matter being
proceeded with now in view of the magnitude of it
and the circumstances of the late laying over which
I am sure that the hon. member has no control what-
soever.

Sir GRANTLEY ADAMS: If I may say so with
the greatest possible respect, perhaps I should not
use the expression, but I want to say that I compli-
ment Your Honour in seeing that the Rules and the
Practice and the ordinary behaviour, so to speak,
are being observed. Before sitting down, I want to
say that I do not have the slightest blame attaching
to the Minister for Agriculture; he has not said
anything that is untrue; he has not exaggerated; but
in view of the fact that there was no opportunity for
other members to consider the matter the senior
member for St. Thomas came here, and he has gone
back out. You merely told him what was in the air.

I do not blame the MinisterofAgriculture in the
least bit, but it is unnecessary to say that I do not
believe one word of the Leader of the House when
he said that he had been told that I agreed. I want
the Minister of Agriculture to feel that none of us
over here can have the slightest thing to say in that
he has not exaggerated anything; he has not told any
untruth or anything of the sort; he has played the
game.


ADJOURNMENT

Hon. J. C. TUDOR: Mr. Speaker,this completes
Government Business. Now, I had canvassed the
opinion earlier of the Leader of the Opposition with
respect to the adjournment, and I had suggested to
him, in view of the fact that there were additional
notices to be given, and therefore a heavier Order
Paper for the following (meeting that, perhaps, we
may meet on Tuesday next week at ten o'clock.


In the light, however, of the urgency of my col-
league's matter and the fact that between now and
Friday the Hon. Leader of the Opposition would
deem that he has had sufficient time to study this
matter, I beg to move that this House do now adjourn
until Friday of this week at ten o'clock in the morn-
ing.


Hon. C. E. TALMA: I beg to second' that.


Sir GRANTLEY ADAMS: Mr. Speaker, before I
say what the Opposition had agreed about this mat-
ter, I would like to know whether the Hon. Leader
of the House has in mind any particular number of
hours for going on when we are changing the Stand-
ing Orders and changing the time for Private Mem-
bers' Business and so on. What does he propose?
Does he propose to have the recess? We came here
thinking that we were having the recess today; but if
there is this accumulation of work and he has sound
reasons for it, obviously we would have to come
back. Does he propose to start on Friday at ten
o'clock in the morning and go on, if necessary, to
midnight? Does he propose to go on for a few hours
or what?



Before we can give him an answer, I would like
to add this before I sit down. The Marshal of the
House came to me with a message from the Leader
of the House. I told him I would not give him any
answer about meeting next Tuesday at ten o'clock
until I have had time to discuss it with other mem-
bers of the Opposition, but that I would give him an
answer, not tomorrow, but by Thursday. That was
the message I sent to him.


Hon. J. C. TUDOR: Mr. Speaker, I am afraid
that events have overtaken us. Obviously, the ques-
tion of the summer recess is in the mind of every-
body. It seems to me I cannot speak for hon.
members opposite that we have a volume of work
on the next Order Paper which would be more than
one day's work. In the light of that, I would think that
we could meet on Friday.
5.00 p.m.
I would move the suspension of the Standing Orders,
but the usual Question Time and Private Members'
Time when the time came for them would still be
taken. If we met at 10 o'clock, we could dispose of







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a lot of business up to about 5 o'clock or 5.30
o'clock in the afternoon which I think would be a
reasonable day's work, and then what is left over
would be done on the following Tuesday, from which
point onwards the recess would come. This is how
I see it and it seems reasonable.


The question th at this House now stands adjourned until
Friday, 30th August, 1968, at 10 o'clock a.m., was put and re-
solved in the affirmative without division, and Mr.. SPEAKER
adjourned the House accordingly.
5.03 p.m.




Statutory Instruments Supplement No. 31
Supplement to Official Gazette No. 41 dated 22nd May, 1969.


S.I. 1969 No. 79
The Miscellaneous Controls Act, 1958 (1958-42)
ORDER MADE BY THE COMPETENT AUTHORITY
UNDER SECTION 4 (1) (c) OF THE MISCELLA-
NEOUS CONTROLS ACT, 1958
This Order may be cited as the Miscellansous Con-
trols (Control of Drug and Patent and Proprietary Medi-
cine Prices) (Amendment) Order, 1969,
2. The Schedule to the Defence (Control of Drug
and Patent and Proprietary Medicine Prices) Order,
1942, as contained in the Miscellaneous Controls
(Control of Drug and Patent and Proprietary Medicine
Prices) (Amendment) (No. 2) Order, 1966, is: hereby
further amended by deleting all the words, occurring
in the columns marked "UNIT OF SALE" and "MAXI-
MUM RETAIL PRICE" in respect of the items "Cod
Liver Oil and Malt", "Dr. Morse's Indian Root Pills",
"Ferrozone", "Humphrey's Witch Hazel Liquid",
"Humphrey's Witch Hazel Ointment", "Humphrey's
Homeopathic Preparations" and "Vaseline (white)"
and substituting therefore the following:-


MAXIMUM RETAIL
ITEM UNIT OF SALE RE
PRICE

Cod Liver Oil and Malt U 1
(a) Rexall 1 lb bot i 0
(b) Allen and Hanbury's 2 lb. b f1
(c) Other kinds 1 lb. t
Dr. Morse's Indian Root Pills bottle
Ferrozone bottle C


VJ


6?8. 7,1_





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MAXIMUM RETAIL
ITEM UNIT OF SALE
PRICE


Humphrey's Witch Hazel Liquid 16-oz. bottle $1.68
Humphrey's Witch Hazel Ointment 1-oz. pot 1.35
Humphrey's Homeopathic
Preparations bottle of 32 tab-
lets 1.25
Humphrey's Homeopathic
Preparations bottle of 135
pellets 1.25
Vaseline (white) small tube .26
Vaseline (white) large tube .43
Vaseline (white) No. 1 jar .32


Made by me the aforesaid Competent Authority this
fifteenth day of May, one thousand nine hundred and
sixty-nine.

R. McCONNEY
Permanent Secretary, Ministry of Trade






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S.I. 1969 No. 80

The Hotel Aids Act, 1967

NOTICE GIVEN UNDER SECTION 2(4) OF
THE HOTEL AIDS ACT, 1967

The Cabinet in exercise of the powers conferred
on it by section 2(4) of the Hotel Aids Act, 1967
hereby gives the following Notice:-
1. This Noticemay be cited as the Hotel Aids
(The Village) Notice 1969.
2. Itis hereby declared that thegroup of buildings
to be known as "The Village" situate. and now in
the course of construction at Appleby, in the, parish
of Saint James shall be deemed to be an hotel for the
purposes of the Hotel Aids Act,. 1967.
Given by the Cabinet this 15th day of May, 1969.




F. M. BLACKMAN
Secretary to the-Cabinet.


(M.P. TOU-100/1/2/24)






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S.I. 1969 No. 81

The Hotel Aids Act, 1967

NOTICE GIVEN UNDER SECTION 2(4) OF
THE HOTEL AIDS ACT, 1967

The Cabinet in exercise, of the, powers conferred
on it by section 2(4) of the Hotel Aids Act,, 1967
hereby gives: the following Notice:-
1. This: Notice may be. cited as: the, Hotel Aids
(Hotel Tropicana) Notice; 1969.
2. It is hereby declared that the building to be
known as "Hotel Tropicana" and now about to be
constructed at.Lower Carlton, in the parish of Saint
James, shall be'deemed to be an hotel for the purposes
of the-Hotel Aids Act, 1967.
Given by the-Cabinet this 15th day of May, 1969.



F. M. BLACKMAN
Secretary to theCabinet.


(N.P. .TOU-100/1/2/25)


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S.I. 1969 No. 82

The Public Officers Loan and Travelling
Allowances Act, 1948 (1948-12)

THE PUBLIC OFFICERS LOAN AND TRAVELLING
ALLOWANCES (AMENDMENT) (NO. 2)
REGULATIONS, '1969

The- Cabinet in exerciseof the powers conferred
on it by section 4 of the Public Officers: Loan and
Travelling Allowances Act, 1948, hereby makes the
following Regulatipns.
1. These Regulations may becited as the Public
Officers Loan and Travelling Allowances :(Amendment),
(No. 2) Regulations, 1969.
2. In the First Schedule to the, Public Officers
Loan and Travelling Allowances Regulations, 1966, L.N. 36of
there, shall be made the amendments directed to be 1966.
made by the Schedule-to these Regulations.
Made by.the Cabinet this 15th day of May, 1969.



F. M. BLACKMAN
Secretary to the Cabinet..


(M.P. 6010/1/T.2)






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SCHEDULE


(Regulation 2)


Reference to place for
making amendment

13. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT


20. FINANCE


(a) Ministry of Finance



After (e) Statistical Service


Amendment


Delete the words "Cricket Coach"
and "Specialist Coach" and sub-
stitute the word "Coach".



Delete the words "Assistant Finan-
cial Secretary" and substitute the
words "Deputy Financial Secretary".

Add the following as sub-paragraph
(f) -


"(f) Valuation Division

Commissioner
Deputy Commissioner
Supervising Valuer
Valuer".


24. HEALTH SERVICES


(a) General


(b) Health


Above the word "Accountant" in-
sert the words "Senior Accountant"'

Delete the words "Supervisor Nurse-
Midwife"; and

under the words "Public Health In-
spector" add the words-

"Public Health Engineer
Health Education Officer
Nutrition Officer
Chief Public Health Nurse
Deputy Chief Public Health
Nurse.






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SCHEDULE Cont'd


(Regulation 2)


Reference to place for
making amendment

39. TOWN AND COUNTRY PLANNING


42. WATERWORKS


Amendment


Delete all the words appearing
thereunder and substitute -

"Chief Town Planner
Town Planner
Assistant Town Planner
Senior Planning Assistant
Planning Assistant
Junior Planning Assistant".

Under the word "Engineer" insert
the words "Assistant Engineer".






8. STATUTORY INSTRUMENT


S.I. 1969 No. 83

The Industrial Incentives Act, 1963 (1963-31)

THE INDUSTRIAL INCENTIVES (APPROVED
PRODUCTS) (TUFTED BATHROOM SETS
AND TUFTED BEDSPREADS)
ORDER, 1969

The Minister in exercise of the powers conferred
on him by section 3 of the Industrial Incentives Act,
1963, hereby makes the following Order:-
1. This Order may becited as: the Industrial In-
centives (Approved Products) (Tufted Bathroom Sets
and Tufted Bedspreads) Order, 1969.
2. The Following products of manufacture are
hereby declared to be approved products for the pur-
poses of theIndustrial Incentives Act, 1963-
(a) Tufted Bathroom Sets which include bath-
room or shower mats, toilet pedestal mats
and toilet seat covers; and
(b) Tufted Bedspreads.

Made by the Minister this 6th day of May, 1969.


ERROL W. BARROW
Minister of Finances


(M.P. 7018/66/177)





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S.I. 1969 No. 84

The Industrial Incentives Act, 1963 (1963-31)

DECLARATION OF APPROVED ENTERPRISE (ACME
MANUFACTURING COMPANY LIMITED) (STEEL
FRAMED BUILDINGS, DERRICKS AND
BRIDGES) ORDER, 1969

The, Minister in exercise of the powers: conferred
on him by section 4 of the, Industrial Incentives: Act,,
1963, hereby makes the-following Order:-
1. This Order may be cited as the Declaration
of Approved Enterprise (Acme Manufacturing Company
Limited) (Steel Framed Buildings, Derricks and Bridges)
Order, 1969.
2. Acme Manufacturing Company Limited, a com-
pany registered under the Companies Act, 1910, is
hereby declared to be an approved enterprise, for the
purposes of the Industrial Incentives: Act, 1963, in
relation to a factory situated at Grazettes Industrial
Estate in the parish of St.. Michael, and to the, pro-
ducts of manufacturer namely steel framed buildings,
derricks and bridges, which were declared to be- ap-
proved products by the Industrial Incentives (Approved
Products) (Steel Framed Buildings, Derricks and
Bridges) Order, 1968.
3. The date on which.production of the approved
products is deemed to begin at the. factory aforesaid
for the purposes of the. Act is hereby declared to be
1st November, 1969.
Made by the Minister this 8th day of May, 1969.

ERROL W. BARROW
Minister of Finance.
(M.P. 7018/66/77)




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