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VOL. XCII.


*ffical


BY


4rlazette


AUTHORITY


BRIDGETOWN, BARBADbS, 11iT MARCH, 1957
t,~~ARH 1,957------


NoTiCE o. 125- (second publication)
MEETING OF LEdiSLATURE
The. Legislative Council will meet on Tuesday
12th March, 1957, at 2 o'clock p.m.
T4e House of Assembly will meet on Tuesday
12th March. 1957 at 3 o'clock p.m.


NOTICE No. 130
LIQUOR LICENSE NOTICES
The application of Carmelita Lewis, Sl-opkeeper
,,f Upper Bank Hall Cross Rd., St. Michael for per-
mission to sell Spirits, Malt Liquors, &c., at board &
galvanised shop near residence at upper Bank Hall
Rd., Nr. Buckingham Rd.,
Dated this 6th day of March 1957.
To:-Miss M.* E. BOURNE,
Police Magistrate, Dist. "A."
CARMELITA LEWIS
Applicant.
N.B.-This application will be considered at a
Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, Distriet
"A," on Monday the 18,th day of March 1957 at 11
o'clock, a.m.
M. E. BOURNEi,
Police Magistrate, Dist. "'A".


The application of Lloyd Alleyne of Well House,
St. Philip for permission to sell Spirits, Malt
Liquors, &c., at a board and galvanize shop at Well
House, St. Philip.
Dated this 6th day of March 1957.
o :-O. S. SMITH, EDq.
ag. Police Magis .rate, Dist. "C".

GORDON BROWNtE
for Applicant.
N.B.-This application will be considered at, a
Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, District
'C," on Wednesday the 20th day of March 1957 at
11 o'clock, a.m.
0. S. SMITH,
Ag. Police Magistrate, Dist. "C."

The application of Lloyd Brooks, Seaman, of No.
16 Lawrence Ave., Beckles Rd., St. Michael for per-
mission to sell Spirits, Malt Liquors, &c., at a board
& shingled shop at No. 16 Lawrence Ave. Beckles 4d.
St. Michael.
Dated this 6th day of March 1957.
To:-Miss M. E. BOURNE
Police Magistrate, Dist. "A."
LLOYD BROOKS
Applicant.

N.B.-This application will be considered at a
. Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, District
"A," on Monday the 18th day of March 1957 at 11
o'clock, a.m.
M. E'. BOURNE,
Police Magistrate, Dist. "A."


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138 OFFICIAL GAZETTE


LIQUOR LICENSE NOTICES- Cont'd

The application of Gersman King, Shopkeeper
of Spooners Hill, St. Michael for permission to sell
Spirits, Malt Liquors, &c., at board & galvanized shop
vith residence attached at Halls Rd., St. Michael.
Dated this 8th day of March 1957.
To:-Miss M. E. BOURNE
Police Magistrate, Dist. "A."

i GERSMAN KING,
Applicant.
N.B.-This application will be considered at a,
Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, District
"A," on Tuesday the 19th day of March 1957 at 11
o'clock, a.m.
M. E. BOURNE,
Police Magistrate, Dist. "A".


The application of D. A. Johnson, Shopkeeper,
King St. St. Michael purchaser of Liquor License No.
931 granted to Harold Proverbs & Co. in respect of
board and shingled shop attached to a board and
shinled house at lMangrove, St. Philip for permission
to sell Spirits, Malt Liquors &c., at the bottom floor
of a two storey wall building at Cr. King Street &
Baxters Rd. St. Michael, with said Liquor License.
Dated this 8th day of March 1957.

To:-A. G. WELLINGTON, Esq.
Ag. Police Magistrate, District "A,"
E. BARKER for D. A. JOHNSON
Applicant.
N.B.-This application will be considered at a
Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, Distiict
"A," on Tuesday the 19th day of March 1957 at 11
o'clock, a.m.
G. E. WELLINGTrON,
Ag. Police Magistrate, Dist. "A".



NOTICE No. 131

VACANT POST OF SUPERINTENDENT OF
PRISONS, ST. VINCENT

Applications are invited from suitably qualified
persons for appointment to the post of Superinten-
dent of Prisons, St. Vincent, particulars of which
are as follows:-

Appointment :
The post is pensionable and appointment carries
with it the liability to transfer to any post of equiva-
lent status within the Windward Islands. The officer
will be subject to the Colonial Regulations, local Gen-
eral Orders etc. so far as they are applicable.

Salary:
The salary of the post is in the scale $2,880x120
-$3,600 per annum, plus a pensionable pay addition
-of 20% of salary. An officer may be appointed at
any point in this scale depending on his qualifications.
and experience.

Allowances :
The officer will be paid a uniform allowance at
the rate of $130 per annum. Transport and sub-
istence allowances are also payable in accordance
with local Regulations.


Quarters:
Unfurnished quarters are provided on the Prison
Compound for which the officer will be required to
pay rental at the rate of 10% of his salary. The
officer will be required to reside in the Prison
quarters.

Qualifications:
Candidates should have an intimate knowledge
of all matters relating to Prison Administration; a
good knowledge of after care and rehabilitation work
in respect of discharged prisoners, and also of proba-
tion work.

Duties:
The officer will have the general control and
management of the Prisons, and will be required to
perform such other duties as are laid down in the
St. Vincent Prison Rules (S.R. & O. No. 39 of 1945)
of 41945.

Passages:
Free first class passages will be provided for the
officer, his wife and children, not exceeding five per-
sons in all; children to be under 18. years of age, un-
married and dependent on the officer.

Leave & Leave Passages:
The officer will be eligible for vacation leave at
the rate of 45 days for each completed period of 10
months resident service. Such leave may be accum-
mulated to a maximum of 180 days. Leave passages
are granted in accordance with local Regulations.

Medical Attention:
Free medical attendance and medicines are not
provided.

Taxation:
All Government officers are liable to taxation im-
posed by local enactments.

Applications containing full particulars of the
applicant's qualificatios and experience and accom-
panied by 2 testimonials should be addressed to the
Chief Secretary, Windward Islands, Grenada, and
should reach him not later than the 31st. March,
1957.


NoTIrc No. 132
NOTICE

IS HEREBY GIVEN that George Whitfield Clark of
Oistins in the parish of Christ Church in this Island,
Fisherman, has petitioned the Honourable the Acting:
Chief Judge of the Court of Ordinary of this Island
for a grant of Letters of Administration to the Estate
of his late wife Rosetta Clarke late of Gibbons Bogs
in the said parish of Christ Church who died in this
Island on the 22nd day of September 1955 intestate.

AND NOTICE IS FURTHER GIVEN that an
ex part application for such Letters will be made
to the Court of Ordinary on Friday 29th day of
March 1957 at 11 o'clock in the forenoon.

Dated the 11th day of March 1957.

H. LISLE THOMAS
Petitioner's Proctor.


I _


MVARCH 11, 1957.








1 MaRCH 11, 1957.


OFFICE


NOTICE No. 128 -(second publication)
BARBADOS
NOTICE OF GRANT OF LETTERS
In the Assistant Court of Appeal
(Probate Jurisdiction)
Notice is hereby given that Letters of Adminis-
tration to the estate of Sunny Austin Burke deceased,
have this day been granted by the Assistant Court of
Appeal to Violet Augusta Burke of Clapham in the
parish of St. Michael in this island.
Dated this 6th day of March 1957.
L. C. DONOVAN,
Acting Clerk of the Assistant Court of Appeal.

NOTICE No. 129 -(second publication)
INCOME TAX NOTICE
PAY AS YOU EARN
Employees To File Declarations By 15th March
Notice is hereby given that in accordance with
Section 38A of the Income Tax Act, 1921 any peroni
in receipt of emoluments during 1957 may file with
the person paying the emoluments a DECLARA-
TION (TD1) containing particulars of all or any
'of the allowances to which such person is entitled,
for the purpose of enabling any tax deductions which
may be made under Section 38B of the said Act to
be calculated with reference to such allowances.
2. A DECLARATION should not be filed by -
(1) a person resident outside of the Island;
(2) a married woman living with or main-
tained by her husband whose income
pursuant to Section 3 of the Act is
chargeable in the name of her husband;
1(3) Domestics, including cooks, maids,
washers, gardeners, butlers, chauffeurs
of private motor cars, whose weekly
wages do not exceed $10,
unless authorised by the Commissioner of Inland
Revenue.
3. Agricultural workers whose income during
the year 1956 did not exceed $60Q0 should file the
AGRICULTURAL WORKERS DECLARATION
(TD2).
4. Forms of Declaration may be obtained from
Employers, or from the Department of Inland Rev-
enue, Bridge Street, Bridgetown, AFTER THE 4TH
DAY OF MARCH, 1957 and the forms duly filled
in must be delivered to the person paying the emol-
uments on or- before the 15TH DAY OF MARCH,
1957.
5. ALL persons paying emoluments to Agri-
cultural workers who have filed the Declaration
(TD2) and to Domestics as aforesaid TAKE NO-
TICE that NO TAX is to be deducted from the
wages of any such person UNLESS in any particular
case the Commissioner of Inland Revenue directs
that tax should be deducted.
N. D. OSBORNE,
Ag. Commissioner of Inland Revenue.
NOTE (1) Agricultural workers whose wages for


1956 exceed $600 and Domestics whose
weekly wages exceed $10 should file the
DECLARATION (TD1).
(2) Any person who files a false Declaration
is liable to prosecution.
(3) If any person not entitled to file a Dec-
laration shall do so, or if any person in
two or more employment shall file a
Declaration with more than one employ-
er, he shall be guilty of an offence and
liable to prosecution.
(M.P. 3297/S.1 Vol. XII)


__


NOTICE No. 112 -(second publication)

PUBLIC NOTICE

PATENTS ACT, 1903-7, SEC. 10
i->
NOTICE is hereby given that Chas. PFizer &
Co., Inc., a corporation organized under the laws of
the State of Delaware, United States of America, of 11
Bartlett Street, Brooklyn, New York, United States
of America has lodged in this Office an application
and complete specification for a patent under the
Patent Act 1903 (1903--7), for an invention for
"ANTIBIOTIC COMPOSITIONS AND PREPARA-
TION THEREOF".

The said Specification has been accepted and is
open to public inspection at this Office.

V. I. DeL. CARRINGTON
Registrar. (ag)


21st February, 1957,
Registration Office.


AL GAZETTE 139

NOTICE No. 99 -(third publication)

BARBADOS.

IN THE COURT OF CHANCERY

In pursuance of the Chancery Act 1906, I do
hereby give notice to all persons having or claiming
any estate, right or interest or any lien or incum-
brance in or affecting the property of the defendant
to bring before me an account of their claims with
their witnesses documents and vouchers to be exam-
ined by me on any Tuesday or Friday between the
hours of 12 noon and 3 o'clock in the afternoon at the
registration Office, Town Hall, Bridgetown before
the 17th day of April, 1957 in order that such claims
may be reported on and ranked according to the
nature and priority thereof respectively otherwise
such persons will be precluded from the benefits of any
decree and be deprived of all claims on or against
the said property.

-laintiff: EDITH ALEXANDRINA EDGHILL
Defendant: ETHEL VERDENE WILTSHIRE

Property: ALL THAT certain piece or parcel of
land situate at The Stream in the parish of Christ
Church and Island aforesaid containing by admeasure-
ment two thousand nine hundred and fifty square feet
or thereabouts Abutting and bounding on lands now
or late of L. Roach on lands now or late of D. A. Scott
on lands now or late of Mrs. L. M. Price and on the
public road or however else the same may abut and
bound Together with the message or dwellinghouse
called LOVE COT and all and singular other the
buildings and erections on the said land erected and
built standing and being with the appurtenances.

Bill Filed: 14 January, 1957
Dated: 6 February, 1957

V. I. DeL. CARRINGTON,
Registrar-in-Chancery (ag.).










FORM 1.
THE LAND ACQukSITION ACT 1949
(Notice required by Section 3)

NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that it appears to the Governor-inExecu-
tive Committee that the lands described in the Schedule hereto and situate
at Fire Brigade Alley also know ag Reef Road, in the City of Bridgetown in
the Island of Barbados are likely to be needed for purposes which in thi
opinion of The Governor-in-Executive Conimittee are public purposes, niaimely
for access roads in connection with the Deep Water Harbour.
THE SCHEDULE

ALL THAT Certain piece or parcel of land situate at Fire Brigade
Alley also known as Reef Road in the City of Bridgetown in this Island
containing by admeasurement One thousand three hundred and eighty square
feet or thereabouts Abutting and Bounding on lands formerly of Holman
Thomas Grant but now of The Executiye-Committee of the Island of Barbados
on lands formerly of W. H. Thorne deceased but now of L. C. Yarde on lands
formerly of Mount Gay Distilleries Lnmited but now of The Executiye-Com-
mittee and on the public road called Fire Brigade Alley or Reef Road afore-
said or however else the same may abut and bound Together with the dwelling
house and buildings thereon.

Dated this Eighth day of March 1957, at The Government Building, Bay
Street, in the parish of Saint Michael in the Island of Barbados.
By Command,
G. T. BARTON.
Acting Chief Secretary.


REURN OF RAINFALL AT CENTRAL ANDT DISTRICT POLICE STATION FOR THE
WEtI ENDED 25TiH FEBRUARY, 1957


STATION 18



Central Station ... ... ... .15 19 .34
District '"A" Station ... ... .04 .02 .15 .21
S "B" ... ... -- .30 .30
S "C" ,, ... ... .20 .05 .25
Four Roads Station, ... ... .25 .03 .25 .32 .85
District "D" Station ... ... .04 .05 .03 .20 .30 .62
S "E" ... ... .05 .05 .07 .0 .19
Crab Hill Station ... ... .05 .12 .12 .10 .39
District "F" Station .. ... .02 .17 .15 .02 .36
Bellepnipe Station ... ... .06 .15 .21 -, .42
Holetown ... ... ... -1 .
-AvALa ... ... ..'. .03 .01 .05 .01 .10 .18 .38


Police ~lhlarters, .
Ditd 28th Febriary, 1957.


R. A. STOUTE,
` Commissioner of Polioe,


OFFICIAL GAZET-TE


S-MARCH 11, -1957.








Subsidi~ayLegislatios Supplement No. 13


Supplement to Official Gazette No. 20 dated 11th March, 1957


L.N. 23

Res. No: 14/1957. MP. 1005/S11/T2

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY.
Resolved that the House of Assembly sanction the
following Order made by the Governor-in-Executive
Committee under Section 4 of the Shops Act, 1945, and
that the Legislative Council be invited to concur herein
and, if concurred in,
Resolved that His Excellency the Governor be asked
to assent and take the necessary steps to give effect to
this Resolution.

26th February, 1957.

H. GORDON CUMMINS,
Speaker.
Concurred in by the Legislative Council the fifth
day of March, 1957.

H. A. CUKE,
President.
I assent
R. D. H. ARUNDELL,
Governor.
8th March, 1957.


Shops Act, 1945


ORDER MADE BY THE GOVERNOR-IN-EXECU-
TIVE COMMITTEE UNDER SECTION 4 OF
THE SHOPS ACT, 1945.


1. This Order may be cited as the Shops Order,
1957.
2. Article 2 of the Shops Order, 1946, is hereby
amended in the following respects -
(i) by inserting in the first line thereof after
the word "Order" the words "unless other-
wise provided";
(ii) by deleting from the definition of "early
closing day" the words "sections three and
eight of the Shops Act, 1945" and substitu-
ting therefore the words "a shops order."
3. (1) Subject to the provisions of this Article the
early closing day for every shop in which one or more
shop assistants are employed shall be as follows:
(i) Urban shops of the following categories-
Retail provisions, bakers, j
butchers, fishmongers, green-
grocers, ice-vendors
(ii) All country shops (other than Thursday
shops in which spiritous
liquors are retailed)
(iii) Shops in which spiritous liquors are retailed
-no early closing day.
(iv) Urban shops other than those
in categories (i) or (iii) above Saturday








54 SUBSIDIARY LEGISLATION

(2) "Whenever a Tourist ship is expected to visit
this Island on a day which is early closing day for a shop
the proprietor thereof may substitute another day in
that week as early closing day foi his shop:
Provided that he shall give at least 24 hours' notice
of such change in one of the newspapers of the Island.
(3) For'the purposes of this Article and for
the purpose of the application of the columns headed
"Early Closing Day" in Parts I and II of the Schedule
to the Shops Order, 1946-
'Urban' in relation to any shop shall mean-
(a) within a radius of two miles from Tra-
falgar Square in the city of Bridgetown;
(b) within a radius of one mile from the
fish market in Speightstown;
and the word "country" in relation to any
shops shall be deemed to refer to shops not
within the areas described in the preceding
paragraphs (a) and (b)".

Made by the Governor-in-Executive Committee this
fourteenth day of February, one thousand nine hundred
and fifty-seven.
By Command,

K. A. HALL,
Acting Clerk, Executive Committee.


L.N. 24

POWER OF DISALLOWANCE


His Excellency the Governor has been notified that
the power or disallowance will not be exercised in respect
of the undermentioned Acts:-


No. Year Short Title


34 1956 The Judicial and Legal Service
Commission Act, 1956.
35 19561 The Public Service Commission
(Amendment) Act, 1956.
49 1956 The Judicial and Legal Service
Commission (Amendment)
Act, 1956.
54 1956 The Officers of the Assembly
(Salaries) (Amendment)
Act, 1956.

(M.P.-C.452)


(M.P. 3864/T.2)









SUBSIDIARY LEGISLATION 55


L.N. 25


Defence Regulations, 1939


ORDER MADE BY THE COMPETENT AUTHORI-
TY UNDER REGULATIONS 50 AND 90 OF
THE DEFENCE REGULATIONS, 1939


This Order may be cited as the Control of Prices (De-
fence) Amendment) Order, 1957, No. 3.
2. The Schedule to the Control of Prices (Defence)
Order, 1942, as contained in the Control of Prices (Defence)
(Amendment) Order, 1955, No. 4 is hereby further amended
by deleting all the words, figures and symbols occurring in the
columns marked "WHOLESALE PRICE" and "RETfAIL
PRICE" in respect of the Articles "Pork-Salted" and
"Sugar" and substituting therefore the following:-


ARTICLE

PORK-Salted: -
(a) Feet, Ears




(b) Neck Bones




(c) Heads ..




(d) Jowls, Snouts
Scalps, Head-
skins, Lips


(e) Riblets, Finns
Short Ribs,
Spare Ribs


(f) Tails




SUGAR:-
Brown Crystals


WHOLESALE PRICE
(not more than)

- i
.. $70.45 per trc. of not less
than 336 lbs. or $39.50 per
brl. of not less than 192 lbs.
or 21c. per lb. in lots of not
less than 25 lbs.
.$77.00 per trc. of not less
than 336 lbs. or $43.10 per
brl. of not less than 192 lbs.
or 221c. per lb. in lots of not
less than 25 lbs.
$1.00.70 per trc. of not less
than 336 lbs. or $56.40 per
brl. of not less than 192 lbs.
or 291c. per lb. in lots of not
less than 25 lbs.
$112.60 per trc. of not less
than 336 lbs. or $63.00 per
brl. of not less than 192 lbs.
or 33c. per lb. in lots of not
less than 25 lbs.
$118.20 per trc. of not less
than 336 lbs. or $66.30 per
.brl. of not less than 192 lbs.
or 35c. per lb. in lots of not
less than 25 Ibs.
.$130.60 per trc. of not less
than 336 Ibs. or $73.30 per
brl .of not less than 192 lbs.
or 38c. per lb. in lots of not
less than 25 Ibs.

.$7.32 per 100 lbs.


RETAIL PRICE
(not more than)


24c. per lb.




26c. per lb.




34c. per lb.




38c. per lb.




40c. per lb.




44c. per lb.

8c. per lb.


Made by me the aforesaid Competent Authority this
eighth day of Mlarch, one thousand nine hundred and fifty-
seven.

C. D. EVELYN,
for Competent Authority.














VOL. XCII.


SUPPLEMENT TO


*fflcal


BY


0 a ette


AUTHORITY


BRIDGETOWN,


BARBADOS,


11TH MARCH,


HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY
Tuesday, llth September, 1956.
Pursuant to the adjournment the House of As-
sembly met at 3 o'clock p.m. today.
PRESENT
His Honour Mr. K. N. R. HUSBANDS (Speaker),
Hon. G. H. ADAMS, C. M.G., Q.C., B.A. (Premier);
Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMIms, C.B.E., M.D., C.M.,
(Mlnister of Social Services); Hon. M. E. Cox
(Minister of Covmmunications, Works and Housing);
Mr. L. E. SMIuJ J.P., (Ohairman of Committees);
Hon. R. G. MAPP, (Minister of Trade, Industry andl/
Labour); M1Vr. F. C. GODDARD, (Leader of the Oppos-
ition); Mr. J. A. HAYNBS, B.A.; Mr. E. StA HOLDER;
Mr. V. B. VAUGHAN; Hon. C. E. TALMA, (Minister
of Agriculture, Lamnds and Fisheries); and Mrs.
E. E. BOURNE.
Prayers were read.
Mr. MILLER entered the House ana took his
seat.
MINUTES
MIr. SPEAKER: I have the honour to inform
the House that the Minutes of the last meeting are
not yet ready for circulation.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT entered the House and
took his seat.
PAPERS LAID
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: Mr. Speaker, I am com-
manded by His Excellency to lay the Civil Estab-
lishment (Payment of Passages) Order, 1956.
GOVERNMENT NOTICES
Government Notices were given as follows:-
Hon. G. H. ADAMS:-- Resolution to approve
the Civil Establishment (Payment of Passages)
Order, 1956.


Hon. G. H. ADAMS:- Resolution to place the
sum of $9,000 at the disposal of the Governor-in-
Executive Committee to Supplement the Estimates
1956-57, Part I-Current as shown in the Supple-
mentary Estimates 1956-57 No. 25 which form the
Schedule to the Resolution.
Hon. M1 E. COX:- Resolution to advance the
sum of $65,001 from the Public Treasury and place
at the disposal of the Governor-in-Executive Com-
mittee to supplement the Estimates 1956-57, Part
II Capital as shown in the Supplementary Esti-
mate 1956-57, No. 26 which forms the Schedule to
the Resolhtion.
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: Mr. Speaker, I beg to give
notice of a Bill to amend the Chief Judge and Crown
Law Officers Act, 1907.
I wish to take this opportunity, in giving notice
of this Bill, to ask hon. members to whom it will be
circulated today, to study it, because I propose to
deal with it next Tuesday. I am asking your per-
mission just to add this: it is extremely difficult,
almost impossible to get a Chief Justice at the pres-
ent salary, and the present Chief Justice must go 'as
soon as possible. I must therefore ask the House to
deal with this which is a recommendation of the
Salaries Commissioner, but which has been taken
out owing to the extraordinary circumstances in fil-
ling this post.
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: I beg to give notice of a
Bill to amend the Judicial and Legal Service Com-
mission Act, 1956.
Hon. G. H. ADAMIS: I beg to give notice of a
Bill to amend the Income Tax Act, 1921.
I am making the same appeal to hon. members.
I propose to deal with this Bill next Tuesday. It is a
Bill to institute a compulsory P.A.Y.E. System. The
Government has considered it from every possible
angle over a number of months and has come to the
conclusion that it is essential to get through the Leg-
islature soon in order that it'may be put in opera-
tion next year. Cyelo-styled copies of this Bill will
be distributed today so that hon. members may be
able to make an early study of it.


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Hon. G. H. ADAMS: Mr. Speaker, 1 beg to
give notice of a Bill to amend the Local Government
Act, 1957.
Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS: Mr. Speaker I
beg to give notice of my intention to move the Hous
into Committee of Supply at its next meeting to con-
sider the money Resolutions of which notice has been
given.
Mr. BRYAN entered the House and took his
seat when Government Notices were being given.

QUESTIONS

Mr. BRYAN: Mr. Speaker, I beg to give notice
of the following questions:-
To enquire of the Minister of Social Services:-
Is it a fact that Friendship and Welches Play-
ing Fields in the parish of St. Michael were pur-
chased from their respective owners through the
Labour Welfare Fund during the same year?
2. If the answer is in the affirmative, will the
Minister say why has there been such considerable
delay in the preparation of the Welches Playing Field
and the erection of a pavilion thereon ?
3. Will the Minister say if it is the intention
of those responsible to carry out the plan of prepara-
tion of the grounds and the erection of the Pavilion
at Welches; and when is it intended to put this plan
into operation?
To enquire of the Minister of Communications,
Works and Housing:-
What steps if any, have been made to implement
the request made during the consideration of the
Estimates 1954-55 and again in 1955-56 re the erec-
tion of Bathing Cubicles etc., at Brighton, St.
Michael ?
2. In view of the promise made, in the reply
given 1955-56, will the Honourable Minister state:-
(a) Whether the request will be granted,
(b) How soon will these facilities be made avail-
able for the people in that area?
Mr. F. E. MILLER: Mr. Speaker, I beg to give
notice of my intention to enquire of the Appropriate
Minister:-
Now that the British Caribbean Federation is a
fait accompli, will this Government consider inviting
the Governments of the area concerned to participate
in the implementation of the following proposals:
(a) The invitation to all interested and qualified
persons in the area to submit plans for the,
FEDERAL CAPITAL, with designs of its
buildings, amenities etc., and to offer a
suitable prize or reward for the plan and
design which could be considered a con-
temporary architectural triumph to be ac-
cepted by some competent Federal authority.
(b) Offering a prize or other suitable reward
to the composer or composers of an original
and selected OPERA the Libretto and
musical theme of such an opera to be as
fully West Indian in character as possible--
to be performed to immortalise the occasion
of the opening of Federal Legislature on
its new site.
3.25 p.m.

BILLS READ A FIRST TIME

On the motion of Hon. G. H. ADAMS, seconded
by the Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS, the Bill to
amend the Chief Judge and Crown Law Officers Act.
1907, was read a first time.
On the motion of Hon. 0. H. ADAMS. seconded
by Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS!, the Bill to amend


the Judicial and Legal Service Commission Act, 1956,
was read a first time.
On the motion of Hon. G. H. ADAMS, seconded
by Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS, the Bill to amend
the Income Tax Act, 1921, was read a first time.
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: Mr. Speaker, I beg to
move that the Bill to amend the Local Government
Act, 1954, be read a first time. At the outset, I
should say as I have said with the other Bills, this
is a huge Bill, and I hope honourable members will
find time in the next seven days to study it.
lion. Dr. II. G. H. CUMMINS: I beg to second
that.
The question was puil and resolved in the
affirmative without division.

COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY

Mr. SPEAKER: The first Order of the day
stands in the name of the Hon. Dr. H. G. H. Cum-
mins: to move the House into Committee of Supply.
Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS: I beg to move
that Your Honour do now leave the Chair and the
House go into Committee of Supply.
Hon. M. E. COX: I beg to second that.
The question was put and resolved in the
aClr ,iol 'v without division. Mr. SPEAKER left
the Chair and the House went into Committee of
Supply, Mr. SMITH being in the Chair.

Emergency Relief Funds

Ilon. G. II. ADAMS: Mr. Chairman, this is a
Resolution for the sum of $41,500 to be spent on
Miscellaneous Services, under Head 29, Item 58.
Emergency Relief Funds. $10,000 is voted from
year to year for Emergency R.elief Funds in case
a hurricane comes along, and the sum now being
asked for is $41,500. Let me at the outset say it has
nothing to do with the houses that may still have
to be repaired; the House will hear of that later. If
honourable members will read the Addendum they
will see what this provision is for, and naturally
being nearly half-way through September, it is
essential not to wait any longer in getting this voted.
As honourable members will know, we learnt a lot
from "Janet"; there was appointed a Hurricane
Relief Organisation Review Committee that went into
all the details of our previous plans (profiting from
the experience of "Janet") and some of these' recom-
mendations it is now proposed to implement by
furnishing this money to put them into operation.
Tlie Department of Agriculture has been used as
Headquarters. It has been suggested that ring bolts
on the wharf should be strengthened and a wire
hawser provided for the Harbour and Shipping
Master, and the supply of other equipment for the
Public Works Department and the Department of
Highways and Transport. These items will cost
$10,000.
There is an outstanding account of $23,807.
There are creditors who did not send in their bills;
the Social Welfare Officer $50 to pay the watchman:
the Director of Civil Aviation $18,943 for equipment
which came after the end of the last financial year;
the Director of Public Works to pay C. F. Harrison
& Co., Ltd. for galvanised sheets; Central Foundry
for asbestos sheets for repairs at Erdiston and Stock-
ton; Sandford Plantation and Woodland Plantation
for repair to houses, the total being $23,807. There
are creditors who have not yet sent in their bills
and some of the stuff did not arrive until recently,
so that it could not be paid earlier. That is how
the $23,807 is made up: T repeat, the Social Welfare
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of Public Works, Central Foundry and Woodland
Plantation, and Sandford Plantation.
These outstanding accounts amounting to $23,807
are for work done or for supplies which were not
received during the financial year 1955-56 for which
accounts were not rendered until after 31st March,
1956. In this connection it should be noted that
expenditure in 1955-56 under this vote amounted to
$402,585; and, since the total provision was $460,000,
an amount of $57,415 lapsed at the end of that
financial year.
This Resolution also makes provision to keep
intact the sum of $10,000 voted in the .Estimates
against the possibility of an emergency during the
present year.
We have voted $10,000 year after year for
emergency relief, meaning hurricane; in addition
this year $57,415 lapsed at the end of the financial
year, and these sums amounting to $23,807 remain
unpaid for the reasons given in the Addendum.
I now beg to move that this Resolution for the
sum of $41,500 do now pass.
Hon. M. E. COX: I beg to second that.
3.35 p.m.
Mr. IIAYNES: Mr. Chairman, when I rccived
this Resolution, I was wondering why no mention had
been made of the houses which had been repaired,
but the Hon. Premier has cleared up that point:
however, on reading the Resolution, I thought I
-iould have seen a sunm of money in connection with
the premiums of insurance on houses. I thought that
that would have come along with the Resolution for
$10,000. It looks to me as if we are running a big
risk in not effecting the insurance of houses. I have
repeatedly stood here on the floor of this House and
tried to show the Government how vulnerable they
are making themselves in relation to the number of
houses which they have repaired and which they
own. I suppose I will be told that they cannot gci
coverage for these houses, but I went last Friday
and insured a house for a friend of mine against
hurricane, tidal wave and every other contingency.
It is .of no use for the Minister concerned to say
that the Insurance Companies will not take this risk.
because they r'e willing to take it; it is therefore,
only foolish on the part of the Government to 1hoM1
this risk, and not take it off their shoulders.
The position is a very serious one. 1 would not
like to sleep in my house tonight without having an
insurance policy on it: I would not sleep well. What
I an trying to show the (iov\erinenr is that if they
are told that they cannot get these houses covered
by insurance, and individuals like myself can get it
done, I do not see why the Government cannot get
it also. If you are getting what is called compre-
hensive coverage, the Tnsurance Companies are out
for big things. They would sooner insure 4,000
houses than 4 houses, because the 4 might be
destroyed, the 3,996 may not be damaged, and the
premium on those 3,996 will pay for the 4 which
have been destroyed. 'Therefore, it would be an
easier job to have a comprehensive coverage than an
individual coverage.
I should like to hear the appropriate Minister,
perhaps the Hon. Minister of Housing, say what ar
Ilis intentions in this matter. As regards the funds
which are collected on the last occasion, nobody is
satisfied with the way in which thev were distribu-
ted; you may not get any other substantial amount
even from a man like Colonel Julian [Lauqhterl and
the Government may have to nll1 their pockets
privately. However, that is by the wav
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: Before aRw, Cor hon.
member reneats what the lan. mT'e-1 1,- *,,,+ ", i 1
let me say this. I paid the hon. memb"- .. .-. ';


ment of repeating word for word his constant remin-
der to the Government about the necessity for insuring
houses. I do not take any credit for saying wnat I am
saying now. As far as I am concerned I was absolutely
prepared against a hurricane last year and the year
before, because hurricanes were knocking all around
in the Caribbean and there was the possibility of
one striking this Island. We put the matter up to
the Executive Committee, and the Insurance Com-
panies; the Insurance Companies will insure every
house in Barbados, but you have to specify every
house. They will not give blanket insurance; I en-
quired as to whether we could get this insurance; I
a,-ked: will you insure so many houses? The hou
member quoted a figure in this House [Mr
1TAYNES: 40,000] and suggested that we should
put up that figure. The Insurance Company will
insure houses in the manner in which the hon.
member got his friend's house insured I take it
that that was a parishioner [Laughter] but you
have to insure them individually. As far as our
information went, they will not insure 10,000 houses
in St. Michael or 5,000 in St. Philip.
The hon. member must not think that we have
inot considered this question about getting a huge
insurance policy in case a. hurricane comes along
Whether one should take the risk of just insuring
(Governcmnt Buildings and not insuring every single
house in the Island, is a matter for consideration
with your other financial commitments. How-er, I
do thank the hon. member for bringing the matter to
public notice again, and I do assure him that taking
into consideration our resources, or financial com-
mitments and the size of the premiums of this whole-
sale insurance, the Government has again considered
the matter, but so far, the Government cannot say
that it has had such a reply or such a reaction from
the Insurance Companies as to make it such an
excellentt thing to do what no other Country, as far
as I know, has done before. It may be that it may
be right to do it; every Country has to consider the
question of typhoon, hurricane or storm damage, and
I have been unable to trace that this wholesale
insurance has been done in the history of the world.
Mr. HAYNES: 1 would like to enlighten the
Hon. Premier, and perhaps he has read that in the
United States of America, year after year floods as
well as hurricanes have been taking place, and the
States which are affected are covered by flood
dannage and other insurance. The Mississippi wipes
away thousands of houses, and valuable houses too
and it has been found that they cannot go on having
this danulae without insurance. Even the American
nation with tons of money behind its back has to
effect insurances.
As regards his argument about submitting the
sizes of the houses, he has the sizes to over 9,000
houses at the Housing Board already tabulated. It
is only for him to put them together and that can
be done in five minutes. He can get that information
in nine minutes. I cannot see where the problem is
in that at all.
3.45 p.m.
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: Mr. Chairman, I am sorry
to interrupt the hon. member. I would just like to
tell him that the Housing Board houses are insured.
Mr. HAYNES: I am glad to know that, but
could not the others be easily assessed in size That is
not a big job. At present, I happen to be Chairman
of the Sanitary Board in St. Andrew and I can cer-
tainly -ft my Inspectors to help Government in get-
t';- th sizes of the houses. There is no trouble in
fhqt at all. It does not take much out of the inspectors
t+ ,--, c .. d a job like that. Even if the Govern-
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cost a large sum of money. These things only want
a little reasoning being put behind them and they
will be solved.
Mr. CRAWFORD: Sir, this Resolution is to
provide a sum of $10,000 for rendering hurricane-
proof a room at the Department of Agriculture to be
used as the headquarters of the specialised branches
during a hurricane. In other words, we are making
provision for a hurricane-proofed room for special-
ised branches if and when we get another hurricane.
I sincerely hope that when the room will be used on
the next occasion that it will not be used as it was
used on the last occasion.
With this expenditure of $41,500, aboat $23,000
is for work as regards work done, or for supplies in
connection with the expenditure on the last hurri-
cane. In other words, in September, 1956, a year
after the storm, we are now' making provision for
the payment of old accounts.
Long before this, IMr. Chairman, something
should have been done about the remainder of the
houses which were damaged last year. There can
be no excuse at all for the prolonged delay on the
part of the Government in attending to houses Wiicil
are still either on the ground or badly in need of
repair as a result of "Janet". For the past two or
three months we have had very heavy rainfall; and
it is easy to visualise the plight of people who arc
living in houses badly damaged as a result of last
year's hurricane and which have not yet bien re-
paired. Further than that, the deterioration which
has set in with regard to these houses, will Lnean,
when we go to repair them, that it will cost us tv,'ci
as much. If the number of damaged houses still ,-
main undone in St. Michael, Christ Church, S'
Philip and St. George-I will say nothing of the
others which exist-are to be repaired, we would
have to spend perhaps another quarter million dol-
lars in repair work. As a matter of fact, if the work
is done under the same administration and control as
that of the last time, we will spend more than a quar-
ter million dollars, because re-housing of the people
of Barbados after the storm, up to now, has cost the
country over two million dollars, and the greater
part of that money has been spent under the control
of the Housin' Board with some noind ,,;ript addi-
tions in staff. Normally, Mr. Chairman, the Housing
Board hardly spends more than $200,000 a year, so
that what the Government did was to expect the
Housing Board-which normally spends $200,000
per year-to expend two million dollars in six months
with irresponsible additions to its staff. And the
Government did not expect that a greater portion of
that amount would have been squandered or thrown
away!
In my opinion, the money which we have
already spent, had it been expended under compe-
tent administration, would have sufficed to complete
the entire hurricane re-housing programme. It is a
fact that there was so much incompetence, irrespons-
ibility and wastage in the re-housing programme
that I shall be very surprised if we are not asked
to spend another quarter million dollars or more to
re-house the victims of last year's storm.
It is not good enough to sit week after week,
month after month and allow these people to remain
with their homes in that bad state of disrepair.
There can be no excuse if the Government is giving
priority to matters which are before us today rather
than to the question of completing the damage done
by "Janet". Let me say that people are not animals
whom you can leave to live in the open air,
indefinitely. All the houses which were to be repaired
should have been repaired already. Every week people


zome to me to know when the programme of re-hous-
ing by the Government is going to start again. It has
been stopped since March-that is, six months ago. 1
send those people to the Housing Board and the Board
put them on a list and say that they are waiting foi
the moving of the waters; that is, waiting for the
Government to wake up and become alive to the re-
sponsibility of the job of the repairing of the people's
houses. We cannot say we have not got the money.
We have been collecting more money than we want.
We have a healthy Surplus Fund; so healthy is it
that we have got very little help from the British
Government. All that we have got from the Imperial
Government is not more than one million dollars.
The Surplus Balances of the country which long
before this should have been in circulation or in-
vested in some manner so as to provide more reve-
nue than they are providing now, have had to be
used and are being used to restore the damage
caused by the storm.
If the money is there, if we nave to spend our
own money and we are not waiting for someone to
give it to us, can there be any excuse for the pro-
tracted delay in getting on with this job? The
reason for the delay must and can only be indiffer-
ence on the part of the Government to the position
as it exists. Last Tuesday, the hon. senior member
for St. George referred to entire districts in his
constituency which are still desolated. I do not
know whether the inhabitants are living in the canes
or in the gullies in St. George now. In my own
constituency, St. Philip, I can think of a large num-
ber of houses which still have to be repaired, and,
I think of an even larger number which the owners
repaired themselves at their own expense with the
understanding that they would be refunded by the
Government. They bother me about the money all
the time, but nobody knows if or when they will gtet
it. If the programme came to an end at the end of the
last financial year, immediately after the Estimates
were passed this year, it should have been restarted.
We have got the men to do the work, and the
materials are available. The only thing lacking, Mr.
Chairman, is responsibility on the part of the
Government to discharge its obligations; and I
personally and sincerely hope that if and when they
ultimately in their irresponsible fashion get around
to repairing these houses, they will endeavour to
provide a more efficient administration with, regard
to the expenditure so that we shall not have people's
houses that were slightly damaged having more
money spent on them than on those which were badly
damaged, depending on the relation of the owners of
the houses with. the parochial authorities responsible
for repairs. Nor, we hope, shall we have the whole-
sale distribution of lumber free to people who do not
want lumber at all, because their houses were not
damaged. In other words, Sir, the authorities must
endeavour to, arrive at some more economic method of
carrying out the final repair programme. The
Housing Authority, as I said earlier, cannot possibly
be expected I mean the Housing Board to cope
efficiently, with its present staff, and with the few
harem-scarem additions, in finalising this programme.
During the emergency last year, we begged Govern.
nent to second responsible Civil Servants from the
other Departments to assist the Housing Board, but
they picked up numbers of incompetent men, some
of whom do not know a saw from a hammer, or a
nail from, a screw, and threw them in the parishes
to supervise and inspect the repairs programme, with
the result that hundreds of thousands of dollars were
thrown completely away. If you were to go carefully
into the figures, Mr. Chairman, the number of
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replaced, you can come to no other conclusion than
tWat the two million dollars we spent should have
almost given every man a new house; and yet a great
proportion of these houses that were repaired is still
in need of repair and will have to. be repaired when
the programme restarts. Whenever they start again,
they will have to repair houses which have been
already repaired and upon v/hich large amounts
were expended. They were not repaired properly,
and cannot be left in the condition in which they
are now.
It is nothing shorf of a scandal that two million
dollars should have been s' e in this manner a:id
that there should be so little satisfaction in its.
expenditure, and that w,! are going to have to look
for new money now- to spend again on some of these
houses. It appears, Sir, to be largely a matter of the
utmost indifference to the Government when this
programme is re-tarted, and it is just like the toilets
at the Pine! Of the 800) built, fully half still remain
;p there not yet sited, and heaven knows when they
will be sited. The houses for which they werr
intended, a year after the storm, are still without
toilets. All we can do, Mr. Chairman, is to hope and
pray that a -imilar calamity will not befall us under
such' irresponsibility.
Mr. GODDARD: Mr. Chairman, the Premier
has stated that this Resolution will not deal with th,'
rehousing of damaged houses during the hurricane.
Of course, he did not har e to tell us that because
the Addendum quite clearly states that it is for other
purposes. But in the absence of replies that should
have come before and in the absence of the House's
knowing what is Government's policy with regard to
the houses that have been left unrepaired, the prom.
ises that have been unfulfilled promises by their
carpenters and foremen or inspectors that they were
just patching up then and were in a hurry, but
would come back; yet there has been no reply to
questions of this sort which were tabled in this House
five or six weeks ago, and today we have no state-
ment of policy from Government, no courtesy or
reply to these questions for those reasons we are
compelled to take an opportunity like this to try and
'et out of Government their policy with regard to
the completion of the rehabilitation of the houses
damaged one year ago.
4.05 p.m.
In a few days, it will be a year. As the last
speaker has said, it is now a period of some 6 months
since work ceased on the rehabilitation of these
houses. The work which has been done to date, has
been confined to within 6 months, from the 21th
September to the end of' March. It was hurried
work, and a lot of it was wasted, because of the hurry
with which we were trying to get people back into
their homes. The Government has had a remarkable
opportunity since then. If they intended to fulfil
their obligations to these people, they could have im-
plemented a scheme whereby they could have more
leisurely repaired these houses in a proper way.
Today, there are still houses in Christ Church which
are uninhabited; last Sunday I saw one of them in
the Fair View district with half-a-roof and half-a-
floor, and that was a whole house before the 22nd
September last year. Just a few galvanised sheets
have been put on, and how this house could have
been left in that condition is beyond me, because it
has not been used since the hurricane. It is still
there for everyone to see.
There is a sense. of frustration on the part of
the people who feel that no help has been given to
them. They have been to the Housing Authority;
the Inspectors have come around to take their names
and make an assessment of the damage; but they do


not know yet what the Government's policy is. There
is a strong sense of frustration; there is no othei
word for it. 1 say: let us know today whether i? is
the intention of the Government to complete these
houses. I understand that a survey was to be made;
let us know today whether that survey has been
made or not. I should like to know if the Govern-
ment can state how many houses will have to be
attended to in one way or the other, and whether it
is the intention of the Government to go back and
repair these houses. Let them say whether they are
waiting until the hurricane season passes again or
not. I am sure that these sufferers would like to
know what is the policy of the Government in this
matter. If we have to deal with an aspect of hur-
ricane damage for which funds have not been voted,
it is because of a lack of policy on the part of the
:Government; there is a lack of policy as regards the
repair of damaged houses throughout the island.
Now let us come to the Resolution itself. This
money is for something which we all agree would
have to be attended to. Personally, I see no reason
why ring bolts on the wharf, the supply of a wire
hawser for the Harbour and Shipping Master and
the supply of equipment for the Public Works De-
partment and the Department of Highways and
Transport, should have to come under Hurricane
Relief at all. These should always be in a good
condition; even for rough weather. You will need
these things at the Wharf at all times, if it is a ques-
tion of having these things in good repair, we expect
that it should be a matter for the Public Works De-
partment always to keep these things in good con
edition. Why should they strengthen only one Gov-
ernment Building? All of these Government Build-
ings should be kept in a good state of repair. During
the last hurricane, very few Government Buildings
were damaged, but all of these Buildings should be
so strengthened as to withstand hurricanes of normal
velocity.
There is one amount which has been left out of
this Resolution and I regret that the Government
did not see its way, even at this late stage, to include
it; that is a bill which was rendered to them by the
Vestry of St. Michael for services rendered by the
Sanitary Department after the hurricane. After
the hurricane, the streets were in a state of blockage;
trees and houses were lying across the roads not only
in St. Michael, but also in Christ Church and in other
parishes, and they had to be cleared so that the
hurricane relief work could be continued. It was
everybody's business, and the Sanitary Commission-
ers of St. Michael took on extra gangs; they worked
their men overtime and they set about the clearing
of these trees. That was only one part of the work
done by the parish of St. Michael; we went ahead
and fed the homeless who were in shelters for 2 or
3 days on our own. It was quickly mooted that
we had jumped too quickly and it was the Govern-
ment's responsibility to send to these people. Foi
that recsl, it was not likely that the Government
would be paying bills to the Vestry of St. Michael
for relieving the sufferers at these shelters as we had
done. We never sent in that Bill; the Vestry of
St. Michael at a meeting which was held soon after-
wards, decided that if that was the Government's
attitude in the matter, they would not ask them to
pay that bill, but surely we felt that the bill from the
Commissioners of Health should be sent in, and we
had no reason to believe that it would have been
treated other than as an honoured debt.
I go further and say that the Commissioners of
Health of Christ Church did the same thing; they
submitted their bills and they were paid promptly;
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sioners of Health of Christ Church were reimbursed
by the Central Government to the tune of $8,000
for the clearing of the trees and the extra sanitation
which they had to perform. That bill was honour-
ed by the Government, but when a smaller bill was
rendered by the parish of St. Michael, the Govern-
ment said that they would not pay it. The taxpayers
of St. Michael felt that they should not have been
so treated by the Government when the taxpayers
in the neighboring parish of Christ Church had not.
been treated otherwise. I thought that even at this
late hour, the Government would have re-considered
their earlier decision, and included the sum for the
payment of the services rendered by the Commis-
sioners of Health of St. Michael, which services, it was
considered, should have been performed by the Cen-
tral Government. If it is possible to hear something
on that, I would be glad to hear. I would have
hoped to have seen that $17,000 included in this
Resolution today.
4.15 p.m.
Mr. ALLDER: The matter of hurricane assis-
tance has been a very sore one for some time and it
is now about -a year since we have had that calamity
when houses were destroyed, lives lost, equipment
destroyed and things of that sort, and yet all the
houses have not been repaired.
You will remember, Sir, that during the hurri-
cane or the day after, the Government made a big
announcement to the public suggesting that those who
could help themselves must go ahead and do so, and
that the Government, when it was more convenient,
would reimburse them with any monies which they
might have spent in repairing their houses and p'L-
chasing equipment which they might have lost. Weil,
only a Government which does not know what is
about to do, or one which is not particu.lcrly chari-
tably inclined towards its people, could aff,.,rd to wait
for one year before relieving much of the suffering
caused by the hurricane.
What do you find? Now that a itesolution is
brought for money to do something in respect of the
hurricane, one would have felt that it contained an
amount to be spent in satisfying the expectations of
those people who were made to feel that the Govern-
ment was going to help them, even though it has not
done so yet. What is happening is that you have got
a Resolution containing a sum of money for other
things than that.
Sir, is it more appropriate to spend money on
the building of a hurricane-proof room at the De-
partment of Agriculture, the strengthening of ring
bolts, etc., on the wharf, the supply of a wire hawser
for the Harbour and Shipping Master and the sup-
ply of equipment for the Public Works Department
and the Department of Highways and Transport
rather than to meet the requirements of the people
who are still awaiting the Government for aid?
During the past week the daily newspaper sug-
gested that some Resolution was to come to this
place to continue fthe assistance which has been start-
ed by Government to those people who suffered in
spending of this money by way of reimbursing those
people who have committed themselves by way of
credit from various business houses, as well as those
people who were not sufficiently influential to get
credit but who are still waiting on Government. There
are houses in the parish which I represent which are
still lying on the ground. &eeause many of the occu-
nants have not been working, and they are without
relatives with means enougihl to eive them assistance.
As a. rpnil, those houses are still in the open air. de,
trinratina all the time. I can go further by saying
that T know of an unfortTnate woman whose house


has been blown down and who has not been able to
get assistance yet. That woman was forced to live at
some person else in another district and somebody
in her absence has caught her house afire. I have only
cited that case to give ihon. members a picture of
the prevailing conditions of affairs.
Une is forced to come to the conclusion that the
Government uues not intend to give further assis-
wiuae to luse people. I think ion. members are
lupiu to tuiuk L aL Gue Uovernment stui intends to
give furtner assistance to those people Decause Xv-
iuw Ltua we wnu gives soon, gives most. 'i e iGov-
ciuiieeUL as a U luuLhiM u& manual 0[o money cuiineuLe
unuer mte Iaour w woare J'und for the purpose u
ie-nousing people by way ot loan~ purcuamig, re-
lease of mortgages, etc. 'Tat tiney iss itere Lymg
o,own ana nounsig is being aone with it. Govern-
ment has the mianinery at its disposal, and there
are persons who are wullng to come to its assistance
in tne formulating of any, scheme or plan whereby
those deserving people wnto suffered in the hurricane
would be able to get ready assistance. It seems to
me as if the Government does not intend to do any-
thing in that respect. Therefore, if people of the
same opinion as myself are forced to come to the
conclusion that the Government (has made promised
which it does not intend to carry out, I think they
are justified in coming to that conclusion because no
definite attempt has been made by Government to
cause one to think otherwise.
What is more, Sir, because of these houses de-
stroyed by the hurricane, the homeless people who
have been seeking shelter here, there and everywhere,
have put recommendations to the Government-and
1 presume that through the Hon. Minister for Hous-
ing there has been a tightening up of the Regula-
tions of the Labour Welfare (Housing Loans) De-
partment because since the hurricane it has been
made more difficult for workers who were willing to
repair their houses at their own expense by means
of a loan from that Department to obtain such a
loan.
I am hoping that the Hon. Minister of Housing
who, I thought, would have been handling this Reso-
lution will enlighten the darkness surrounding the
running of the Labour Welfare (Housing Loans)
Department and will also tell us of Government's
intention with respect to further assistance which
is being anticipated by the people. Now, I know for
certain that many sugar workers who were willing to
wait on the premises of the Government made several
attempts to acquire loans from the Departin.nt. i
have it on record where a labourer was asked to
come to that department no fewer than eight times-
but no loan has been given to him as yet. I know of
eases where applications were sent in about three
-'ears a-go.
I know of places where applications were sent
in two or three weeks ago and the Hon. Minister
knows about this case too because I had to take it
up with Mr. Turner before he left this Island where
after making a man who had a large family includ-
ing. ....
Mr. CHAIRMAN: Is this something to do with
the hurricane?
Mr. ALLDER: Yes sir, it certainly is; and after
this man was made to come to Bridgetown giving up
several days' work he was still being turned around
and I had to telephone the Officer concerned. Like
everything else that Department is being run like
some concentration camp, with a lot of Gestapo
agents, and you do not know who is the senior officer,
except only by title. Every officer up there seems
to have the same authority and the place is run in


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.a confused manner, so that the workers who have
to use that place suffer as a result; they have to
pay for the confusion. That particular officer, when
1 in a reasonable way telephoned on the worker's
behalf, put the receiver down in my ear, and I had
to interview Mr. Turner on the matter, and the Hon.
Minister knows. Last year a house was burned down
which was owned by a man of about 60 years who
worked at Kendal for about 45 years, but up to now
that man has not been able to get a loan from that
Department for the re-erection of his house. House,
furniture and every possible thing he owned were
burnt. I was on the spot and saw all that remained
was ashes, and up to now-and I hope the lion. enu-
ister will investigate the case if he wants to-the
man who is a seasonal worker and who is now
reaching the age of retirement, .ias hat. tu watll
the streets of Bridgetown for the past three weeks.
Mr. CHAIRMAN: Is the hon. member for St.
John speaking on hurricane relief or about a burnt-
down house, because that has nothing to do with
this Resolution and I am not going to entertain it.
Mr. ALLDER: .1 am speaking about Trle lirri.
cane, the results of it, and the attitude of Government
in respect to it because the Resolution is headed that
way.
Mr. CHAIRMAN: The hurricane did not do
any burning.
Mr. ALLDER: It should have. -ii. It should
have burnt certain places!
Mr. CHAIRMAN: Now, you will keep to the
Resolution.
Mr. ALLDER: What I am saying is that I
hope that my statements here may arouse the Min-
ister who is responsible for that Department, because
I know that the disappointments would be fewer
if it were made more possible for these workers,
whose earnings have been reduced by virtue of the
building up of this Labour Welfare Fund, to get
loans more easily than they have been able to get
them. 'Many of them were eager to help themiselv:-;v
as suggested by Government; but when they decided
to do so, and came down expecting to be able to
get their business expedited, there was a lot of turn-
ing round: and up to now there has nor bi)ic aUm\
improvement in that Department. I say that, Sir,
because we cannot sit here as a Government, (;r
as a Legislature, responsible to the people for exist-
ence as such, having materials at our disposal, the
necessary money and men, .and allow these people
to feel towards us as they are feeling now, when it
could be avoided. I do not believe, unless Govern-
ment can cause me to feel otherwise, that they intend
going any further in assisting those people who have
suffered. In this particular case. when I went there
with the man, the manager who was willing to reason
with that man tried to ring the chairman and those
over him to see what immediate assistance? could be
given to him; but then some other clerk under him--
As I said, it is run like a concentration camp with
Gestapo agents was apparently are able to come and
counteract the intention of the Manager of the
Department. Whenever you are going to appoint
a head of a Department and you do not give him
the freedom of action and the use of discretion at
the same time your Department must run badly andi
the public must suffer. Regardless to what kind of
Government is in power, it should see to it that
authority should be given where it is due and neces-
sary; but in this ease it is a waste of time, and in most
cases when the people leave the countryside and
come down, they are frustrated. Obviously they
will call on their representatives, and their repre-
sentatives usually take up the case; but I have been
Toreed to the decision of not worrying to telephone


or even to go there. I cannot tell the people that
I am disgusted, because as representative of the
people they feel that what they cannot do, you are
:uppo ed to be able to do; and I will say now: le'
the Premier and his Ministers go and investigate that
Department, put it on a proper footing, and I men-
tion the Premier specifically, because I can remem-
ber in 1948, Sir, his telling the people, "give me the
majority . If you want to build a house
and you had a hundred dollars, the Government
would give you $100 free and $200 as a loan to
acquire a, house, and it went up the scale according
to the number of dollars you had in your possession.
When the scheme was first started it was reasonably
easy for workers to go there.
Mr. CHAIRMAN: I am directing the atten-
tion of the hon. senior member for St. John to the
fact that we are not dealing with the Labour Welfare
Fund or anything of the sort. You must keep to the
Resolution. We are not dealing with the Labour
Welfare and its set- up, or Gestapo and all these
sorts of things. I want you to deal with the Resolu-
tion before us.
4.35 p.m.
Mr. ALLDER: I am very sorry, Mr. Chairman,
because reference has already been made by the pre-
vious speakers to the Housing situation and especially
to those people who were affected by the hurricane.
I cannot avoid making comparisons; what happens
is thar the Labour Welfare Fund has something to. ao
with ihe workers whose houses have been damaged
by the hurricane. If you have received your papers,
Mr. Chairman, you will see that you asked a ques-
tion about damaged houses, and the Government has
i)prsented the reply in which it is stated or suggested
that in respect of those houses which were damaged,
loans be given to these sufferers out of the same FunI,
M\r. CIIAIZMAN \: I havo not seen it yet. I am
inot entertaining' it.
Mr. ALLDEIi.: However, 1 view this Resolution
with some disappointment; like other people, I intend-
ed to honour the pledges which the Government has
give with respect to the people whose houses have
been damaged. I know that many people were look-
i:A forward to get some further assistance from the
Government, and they will not take this matter which
i:; now before us very favourably. What I do hope--
I hope it will not be a frustrated hope-is. that th,,
governmentlt intends to bring down a further Reso-
lution for money ii order to. meet the requirements
of those people whose houses were damaged. I hope
that it is not the intention just to give this Resolutioi
an eaSy )passag-e, but I must still comment that
instead of a Resolution of this nature, although it
naght be necessary to bring it down it is not more
necessary than one for the relief of suffering. We
are in the hurricane belt, and there is no1 certainty
whether we will have a hurricane tomorrow or not,
but there is a certainty that many families have been
ilcomlvenieiced over the past year. and there is
nothing whi'-h would justify the governmentt by way
of excuse for not assisting them. If you have money
and something is involved requiring the expenditure
of money. there is no reason why that thing should rot
be attended to. If there are materials crowded in
Bridzetown. and materials are needed. and vou have
not done what should have been done, then there is
something which has prevented you from doing it.
The mnestion is: what is that thins which has nr.-
vented yon from doing what should be done? Tit is
an iuncharitable feeling towards the people whose
credit shon!l'1 he maintained.


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Mr. MILLER: Mr. Chairman, before you put
the question, I should like to say a few words. I was
a, bit disappointed in that this Resolution was not be-
fore the Hiouse a month ago or even before then. No
doubt there will be occasions of suffering, but in an
emergency you can always come back to the House for
more money. Much has been said in connection with
the last Resolution which came before this House, and
as most hon. members have said, the parish of St.
George is still in dire need of assistance. We still
have people in most of the districts living like andi-
mals in holes.
'[ASIDES]. The Hon. Ministers of Housing will
understand my feelings in this matter; it is alright to
promise hospitality and so on. I know that plans
are afoot: [A MEMBER,:You know better than we].
The members of the Opposition can say whatever
they like. I was a member of the previous Housing
Board, and I was one of the first to recommend ;ts
abolition. I thought that with the new Housing
Authority, the authority would rest with the Ministry.
Mr. CHAIR.MAN: The Housing Authority is
nothing to do with this Resolution.
Mr. MILLER: I am suggesting that the Hous-
ing Authority should be used as the authority for the
rehabilitation of these people.
Mr. CHAIRMAN: The Housing Authority is
nothing to do with this matter.
Mr. MILLER: We have only one Authority,
and if you are thinking of rehabilitating the houses,
then you are thinking of the funds, and you still have
to go to that same Authority, because you are offering
this money by way of assistance in respect of the dam-
age to houses, and this is the final Authority. What
I wanted to say is that I am somewhat unhappy about
the whole affair; because I feel that the authority
should rest with the Ministry, and this Housing
Authority would serve only as an Advisory Corn
mittee. There is no reason to imagine that if you
refuse complete authority in the hands of a Commit
tee to carry out the functions of the Government-
Mr. ALLDER: On a point of Order. I should
like to draw your attention to your ruling iMr. Chair-
man Clause 2. of the Addendum to this Resolution
says this-
Mr. CHAIRMAN: That is not a point ol
Order. The hon. member is out of order. The houn.
junior member for St. ,George may continue to speak.
Mr. MILLER: At this stage, I should like to
decline speaking and leave it to the hon. senior mem-
ber for St. John to continue his speech.
Mr. ALLDER: I rose on a point of Order.
Mr. CHAIRMAN: That is not a point of Order
Mr. ALLDER: I am speaking on the Resolu-
tion.
Mr. CHAIRMAN:Well, you are not to speaix
now; it was the hon. junior member for St. George
who was speaking.
Mr. ALLDER: He has refrained from spea.!-
ing. Clause 2 of the Addendum to this Resolution
states this:
"In addition, outstanding accounts amounting-
to $23,807 remain to be paid. These are for work
done, or for supplies which were not received, during
the financial year 1955-56. for which accounts were
not rendered until after 31st March, 1956. In this
(t.nnection, it should be noted that expenditure in
1955-56 under this vote amounted to $402,585 and,
since the total provision was $460.000, an amount of
.k57.415 lapsed at the end of that financial year."
Paragraph two in the Addendum makes refer-
ence to expenditure already incurred in respect of
hurricane damage, therefore, Mr. Chairman, I beg


humbly to submit that you should not rule honour-
able members out of order for making reference to
houses that are .damaged.
4.45 p.m.
Mr. CHAIRMAN: I have not ruled members
out of order for' that.. It is when you deal with the
Housing Authority and the Labour Welfare (Hous-
ing Loans) Authority that I stop you. [A VOICE:
That is riot so.]
Mr. VAUGHAN: Mr. Chairman, I will draw to
the attention of the Hon. Minister of Housing just
one matter which I think he can rectify. There are
many people who have sent in claims for repairs to
be done to their houses on account of an advertise-
ment by Government that they will be reimbursed
for so doing and they have got no answer after six
months of sending in their claims.
Hon. M. E. COX: Mr. Chairman, I rise on a
point of order. The resolution to which the honour-
able emllibcr is referring has absolutely nothing to
do with Labour Welfare. The Housing Authority
has nothing to do with such claims. That work was
done by the Public Works Department.
Mr. VAUGHAN: I am glad to know that.
Mr. CRAWFORD: Mr. Chairman, the Minister
is completely misinformed. He does not know what
he.is talking about. The hon. junior member for St.
John referred to houses repaired by the owners or
occupiers themselves. Those claims are being sent
to the Housing Authority and not to the Public
Works Department. Therefore, if the Hon. Minister
is telling this Committee that the Public Works De-
partment is responsible, he does not know what the
Public Works Department is responsible for, or
what his Ministry and himself are responsible for.
The question that the Resolution for the sum of
$41,500 do now pass was put and resolved in the
affirmative without division.

Leave To Postpone Resolution For $2,090

Hon. Dr. CUMMINS: Mr. Chairman, I am ask-
ing leave to postpone Item 2. which is a Resolution
for $2,000.
There being no objection, leave was granted the
Hon. Minister.

Supplementary Estimates: 1956-57, No. 24
Technical Institute

Hon. G. H. ADAMS: Mr. Chairman, this Reso-
lution is for Supplementary Estimates under various
Heads. The, notes to the various items are full and
clear and I will deal with it in the usual way, that
is, I will take it Head after Head.
The first is Head XX-Education, for which the
sum of $11,832 is to be voted for the Technical Insti-
tute. I am glad to be able to say that after a great
deal of extraordinary difficulty, the Crown Agents
seem to be able. to get (at the figure for which we
came to the Legislature and got approval) instruc-
tors for the Technical Institute. I am told that one
of them is likely to be on a plane very soon and
will reach Barbados sometime this month. We hope
to get these posts filled in September. I beg to
move that the sum of $11,832 to be voted under this
Head do now pass..
Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS: I beg to second
that.
Mr. ALLDER: Mr. Chairman, on this particu.
lar item, I would like to question the Hon. Minister
of Education as regards a particular matter. What
has happened is that certain Second Grade Schools
have been circulated, in respect of the creation in
such schools of a Technical stream. Ih is proposed at
the opening of the Technical Institute to take a
number of boys from Combermere School and Har-


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rison College but I have noticed that there is no
provision for the Lodge School. [A VOICE: That
is not true] If provision were made, it was made
verbally by some Minister to some individual on the
Governing Body of the School. However, officially,
the Lodge School has not been allocated any number
of boys from that school. The Hon. Premier should
investigate the matter and see to it that allocation of
boys from every school is made.
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: Mr. Chairman, allow me
to interrupt the honourable member. Let me say
that this has been fought out on the floor of the
House already. It has been stated that any second-
ary school has a chance of sending boys to the Tech-
nical Institute whether they be government-aided or
non-government-aided schools.
Mr. ALLDER: Mr. Chairman, up to the last
minute no notification was given to the Governing
Body of the Lodge School in respect of any special
allocation being given to that school and we of the
Governing Body propose writing the Education De-
partment asking for the reason why the opportun-
ity has been given Harrison College and Comber
mere School to send boys to that Institute and why
the Lodge School has been treated like that.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: Mr. Chairman, the Hon.
Premier is right when he said we actually fought it
out on the floor of the House as regards every
Secondary School, Government-aided or non-Govern-
ment-aided sending boys to that Technical Institute.
However, I am not quite satisfied that' all is well as
regards that. I said then and will say now that this
grant for technical education is money spent in the
right direction. I am not merely concerned with
Harrison College, the Lodge School and Comber-
mere because we all know that it is a fact that the
Government cannot provide all the Schools for sec-
ondary education. I made my position quite clear
on the floor of the House when we were dealing
with the Resolution for the approval of the Scheme
of Government for the Barbados Technical Institute.
I would like to say that those parents who are not
fortunate in having their children taken on at any
of the Government Secondary Schools, but have to
send them to Private Secondary Schools-at which
the Government does not pay one cent towards their
children getting a School Certificate-should also
be given this opportunity. In other words, if my
coy goes to Harrison College, the Government pays
for him to do the Higher School Certificate examina-
tion; but if my brother's child who is not lucky
enough to go to Harrison College, goes to Mr. Louis
Lynch's or Mr. Batson's Secondary bcbool, my broth-
er will have to pay for his child to take the School
Certificate examination. I presume that the Lodge
School will get an allocation; I am not concerned
with that School only. I do not merely represent
the people who send their children to Harrison Col-
lege, the Lodge School or Combermere; I repre-
sent the people of this Island; and after all. by
and large the majority of the people are sending
their children to private Secondary Schools. There-
fore I feel that they should also have the benefit of
being able to send their children to the Technical
Institute. That is what is worrying me and what
will worry any honest man.
I am glad to see that at long last the Crown
Agents are able to say that they have found some-
body to come as an instructor for this Technical
Institute. I remember very well that I told the
Government that we should not put a glorified me-
chanic as an Instructor of that Institute; and if we
are to have some proper person as an Instructor at
this Institution, we should pay the money to get
that person so that we can have somebody who can
really do the job. Actually, I do not want to press
Government into it today, but I know that all is not
well: because the Principal of that Institute when


Certificate boys in this Island who could be put at
that Institute. That is not good enough.
I contend that what is being done for the pupils
Who are at the Government-aided secondary schools
should also be done for the pupils of the other priv-
ate Secondary Schools. They should have the same
opportunity of selecting some of their children to he
sent to the Technical Institute. All these things
were brought to the notice of the Government and
were fought out on the floor of the House.
4.55 p.m.
The Hon. Premier has just said, I repeat, that
the Executive Committee has discussed it and that
i:; is not only for Government Schools and if I
am misquoting him, let him stop me now but
other secondary schools will have the opportunity of
going.... [A VOICE: He never said so:] He said
Government and other secondary schools and I am
sure he said that. I am glad that ihe Premier has
seen the light to agree. [A VOICE: Do not mislead
Ihe public].
Mr. CHAIRMAN: Can't the hon. senior member
for St. Philip, keep quiet ?
Mr. CRAWFORD: I am rising on a point of
order. These debates are printed in the Official
Gazette and in the public press and the hon. senior
member for the City will mislead the public. The
Premier did not say that Government and other
secondary schools are entitled to use the technical
school; he said all Government secondary schools -
Lodge School, Combermere and Government aided
schools.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: I never like to mislead
people and I cannot depend upon my hearing all
the time, because the Premier might speak in a low
voice; but I did hear him say when it was fought
cut here that Government and all secondary schools
were entitled to use the Technical Institute; but here
is an opportunity to make it out that I cannot hear
well enough and that the hon. senior member for
St. Philip can hear better than I can.
Mr. CHAIRMAN: Will the hon. member please
address the Chair
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: I am drawing to the
attention of the Premier that having said today -
and I hope this is not misleading to the public --
that this matter had been fought out on the floor of
the House, and that the Executive had considered it,
an opportunity should be given to all secondary
schools to select children for this institute. I know cf
the selection from Harrison College and Combermere
but I want to tell him now. that as a matter of fact,
not what I believe, but what I know, that nothing
has been done by, the education authorities in this
country to give any secondary school other than
Government schools an opportunity to place boys at
:he opening of this term. The Government may have-
and I have no reason to doubt what the Premier has
said discussed it and given instructions to the
Director of Education that steps should be taken to
include schools other than Government secondary
schools, but I say on the floor of this House, and I
am conscious of my responsibility, that absolutely
nothing has been done by the Government through the
Education Department to allow any secondary school
other than Government aided schools to select boys
for this institution. I am saying what I know is a
fact, and if he says what he knows is a fact, then
somebody must be straying from the truth; but I say
here now. Mr. Chairman, that we argued here that
they should be given the opportunity. We must
accept it if the Premier said they have given these
instructions, because having discussed it he must
have given the Director of Education instructions
What I am saying is that today you are discussing
the principle of having the Crown Agents assist in
asked certain questions said he had some Higher


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the recruitment of technical instructors and not ona
Ileadmnaster of other secondary schools has been
informed. When you take the statistics, you will see
they are in the majority; they have the most children
and you cannot deny them this opportunity. If you
say in your education system that children must come
out at fourteen years, and the other secondary
schools come to the rescue of Government, Govern.
ment should make this provision for the purpose of
providing technical education. Hon can you say you
nill recognize them if they hav proper qualified
teachers and proper buildings and then in the same
breath and by your action say "We are putting up
this Technical Institute but we cannot select boys
from your school?" It is not true to say that the
hon. member for St. John, who is a member of the
Lodge School, does not have information about it
As a member of Harrison College I have been in-
formed because it has been discussed at length; but
I am not merely here to represent people at Harrison
College. They do not run the world; they do not run
Barbados, and if, Sir, most of you think because you
went to Harrison College you run the world, then you
act out, because you do not run the island either
You run a few people........out. What I am saying,
Sir, is that I do not intend to go out of my way to
say that the Executive did not discuss the statement,
made in good faith. All I say today is, Will tlhe
Premier find out why all the other Government
schools have not been informed; as he himself said
he went up to Lodge School, and the hon. senior
member for St. John must know........
Hon. G'. H. ADAMS: I am sorry, I have not
said that. Let me remind the honourable member
of the scheme as was put to the Executive and te
which we agreed for the Technical Department,
which falls under several heads; for training, you
asked people in town to release a man in the day and
so on. That is one aspect. Another i-: secondary
Technical education, and that this should commence
at the age of thirteen years, organised in conjunction
with existing secondary schools, and in Government
aided schools; and then in the actual scheme that
passed the House, admission and accommodation
in paragraphs 25 and 26, and so on. !Honourable
members will remember that there was a great deal
of comment as to whether it would be convenient to
have it at Combermere School, and the matter wa.,
postponed. Actually I was not in the island; when I
discovered what had taken place and the matter was
again discussed with the Executive and while it was
passed that it should be at Combermere School, it
was also agreed that there should be nothing to
prevent boys from coming from other secondary
schools and going to Combermere for instructions.
It was passed eventually and this is how it reads:
"The Principal shall submit to the Governing
Body the results of the entrance examination and
test each year ..." and so on, "provided that pupils
who shall be subject to the same conditions mention-
ed elsewhere in this scheme which are applicable to
pupils from Combermere School, may be selected
from any other secondary school in the island which
in the opinion of the Director of Education is
adequately equipped to offer pre-entrance traininer
similar to that obtainable at Combermere School."
That is why I say it applies to every Secondary
School, and I should have added, provided the
Director of Education is satisfied with the equipment
There may be'a Secondary School in some parish
that may not have a laboratory or where there is somni
body who can not add two and two, let alone teach-
ing Maths. Obviously, nobody in that School can
profit from Technical Education, but this advantage-
is still open to every Secondary School.


Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: I quite agree with that,
but the Hon. Premier came here and said something
about a laboratory. What kind of laboratory did
Combermere have? What have they got now?
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: That is only an instance-
The Institute is going to teach handicrafts too i What
is the point of building up an argument as if I mcart
that instance to be something comprehensive?
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: What is the good of
saying that there may be somebody who cannot add
two and two? Let me ask the honourable member
if he is not aware that Private Schools had been
offering children for the Barbados Scholarship, and
they will be excluded in some way from entrance in
the Technical School. The honourable member seems
to think that because there may be one or two per-
sons who control the Secondary Schools, that that
is sufficient force to be used to bar children frcir
some of the Schools. The Hon. Minister of Educa-
tion, who is Premier, was not here when we askea
the question --
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: The honourable member is
'r:efleting o the Rules of the IIouse. This S'lhme
has been passed by this House and the Other Place.
and it has been assented to by the Governor. The
time when the honourable member should have tallk-,I
about this matter was when the Scheme was before
the House. All that I quoted today, is what we have
passed.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: What Rules is the Hon.
Premier talking about? Who has ever broken more
Rules than he" This is a money Resolution with
which we are dealing in respect of Instructors for
the Technical Institute, and therefore I can talk all
around in a circle on this Resolution. Do not. there-
fore let the Hon. Premier say that I am breaking the
Rules of the House. The Hon. Premier has said that
if in the opinion of the Director of Education he is
satisfied that ther3 is a School where you can havw
pre-entrance training,-well, I say the policy is the
Premier's and his alone. I am asking him whether
they should not have Schools other than Government-
aided Schools in this Scheme. We have discussed
that matter all around in a circle and the Minister
was wise enough to take back the matter to the
Executive Committee so as to have other Schools
included. I tell you that you have Secondary
Schools in this island other than Government-aided
Secondary Schools, and they have not been told one
word about this matter; therefore, he is at la.ult2
Are we to go to the Public tomorrow and say thai
the Gwoverlnment is willing to have children front:
Schools other than Governnent-aided Schools par-
ticipate in this Scheme, but the Director of Educa-
tion has refused to allow it? I am not talking
about the Ministee of Education; T am not talking
about the Government at all.
This Scheme is a, very important one in the
matter of Education today. The Premier has said as
long as the Director is satisfied that there is a School
where pre-entrance training is offered, there is the
opportunity for entering this Institute. Combermere
Shas not got any Laboratory and yet the Premier has
come in here with a Scheme in respect of Coinbur
mere! I ask: what about those boys who are goill
to Schools where there is no opportunity of getting
into the Secondary Schools of Harrison College ani
Combermere? I say that local private people cannot
get in, and people who are from overseas can get in;
this is a matter which should concern the local pri
vate people more than anybody else. Let us take last
ycr; some ef these boys went in for the Oxford aid
Cambridge examination and when the results came
out, the private Schools did better than other Sec-
ondary Schools, but the boys are not of the type who


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cn get into Harrison College; therefore why should
you deny them this opportunity? The Crown Agents
have said that suitable candidates are in view; I
know that Harrison College and Combermere have
a selection-
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: If I may interrupt the
hon. member in the matter of entrance exams do
you have to tell people that they have to apply to
Combermere or Harrison College. Any boy from any
School can make application for admission to this
Institute.
5.15 p.m.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: I say, that is not true!
I challenge the Hon. Premier. It is not true I
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: The honourable member
must be thinking that he is in Cats' Castle.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: That is where you were
born, you were born in Cats' Castle and Bulls Alley.
Mr. CHAIRMAN: (rapping the gavel) You are
breaking the Rules of the House.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: He is breaking the
Rules.
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: The Scheme of Govern-
ment -
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: That is not anything on
a point of order.
Mr. CHAIRMAN: The Hon. Premier has risen
on a point of order.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: That is not anything on
a point of order. He is making a speech.
Mr. CHAIRMAN: Will the honourable mem-
ber obey the Chair?
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: I am speaking. Allow
me to speak; I am not giving way. That is not a
point of order. Let him say what it is.
Mr. CHAIRMAN: Take your seat.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: I was speaking and the
hon. member rose.
HIon G. ADAMS: All I am saying is that
there may be more copies of the Scheme, and, may
be, the Marshal will bring them in and share them
out to hon. members. That is no misquotation of
what the law is. The Scheme shows how people can
get their children at the Institute. If hon. members
read the Scheme, they will see that there is no dis-
crimination against any school..
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: Mr. Chairman, the Hon.
Premier seems to think that I said that there is dis-
crimination. He is saying that anybody can apply.
1' am saying that that is not true. All that is hap-
pening is that he knows nothing about the matter. It
is not true that any child can make application. Thbat
is sheer ignorance. That is trying to mislead the
Committee.
What I am saying is that thle childreul who go
to private secondary schools that have been approv-
ed by the Department of Education should have the
opportunity of benefitting from training at the In-
stitute. That is what caused the debate in this House
when the matter came up at first. Any school which
can give the proper pre-entrance training should be
invited to send boys. Harrison College and Comber-
mere School have been invited to send boys. The hon.
senior member for St. John said that the Lodge Slchool
has not been invited. I did not know that the Lodge
School was not asked. The Hon. Premier said that it
was strange that the Lodge School had not been
asked.
Mr. ALLDER: What I did say was-this: it i
not that the Lodge School was not asked. The Gov-
ferning Body of that School was sent the scheme
that Government formulated as regards the School
and the creation of a technical stream in the school,
and that was agreed to by the Governing Body. Mv
contention is that when the vacancies at the Techni-


cal Institute were being allocated, there was provi-
sion made for boys from Harrison College and Comn
bermere School only, as far as my knowledge goes,
as well as the knowledge of the Governing Body of
the Lodge School. If the Government has decided to
make provision for pupils of the Lodge School, I
know nothing of it yet.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: That makes my point
stronger if you have sent the scheme of what should
be done to the Lodge School, Harrison College and
Combermere School. I do not know what the hon.
senior member for St. Andrew would say in respect
of the Alleyne School or what the hon. junior mem-
ber for Christ Church would say in respect of the
Boys' Foundation School. I am telling you that no
such scheme has been sent to any private secondary
school that is approved by the Department of Edu-
cation.
This is a matter of policy and it is for the Minis-
ter of Education to say what is the policy. The Hon.
Premier is not taking enough interest in it. You
sent a scheme to Harrison College and Combermere
School. Have you sent one to the Boys' Foundation
School and one to the Coleridge-Parry School Surely,
if you sent a scheme to Harrison College and Comr
bermere School, you should send one to all the sec-
ondary schools that are able to give pre-entrance
training. Would the Hon. Premier say to-night that
the Modern High School cannot give pre-entrance
training? When you send a boy there, he comes out
with between eight, nine and ten subjects. The
School also sends pupils to sit the Higher Certificate.
The Hon. P emier cannot argue against that. He
talked of a school having a laboratory. He then found
out that Combermere School had no laboratory and
he side-tracked there.
In my opinion, all of us must feel very proud
to vote money for the Technical Institute because we
realise that this part of the education of the country
is long overdue: and if we must fit our young men,
and similarly our young women, to face the world
with a technical knowledge and the know-how to do
things, we must pay great attention to this matter.
I sit on Boards and listen to learned men of educa-
tion and they all agree that we must provide our
boys with this training. I myself have seen the big
Technical Institute in Boston and Canada. I can
see the importance that is attached to Loughborough
in England; therefore, this technical education which
we are providing is important. We should not con-
fine this to any type of school. All schools which
in the opinion of the Director of Education can
give the proper pre-entrance training should be asked
to send pupils. If you are opening this Institute in
October and you sent around a scheme to Harri-
son College and Combermere School and you say
that you are ready for boys from those schools, how
is it that you have not sent an invitation to any
of the other schools? I say that that is a matter
of policy and that the Minister of Education himself
must take the blame because he is not doing his duty
or he has too much to do.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: Mr. Chairman, I can
quite appreciate the dilemma which you are in, but
it is not my intention to make it any more difficult
for you. This is one of those examples of democracy
and the procedure of this House. It is true. Sir,
that this Resolution in the main deals with the pro-
vision of funds for three instructors for the Techni-
cal Institute. You did not see fit to look upon this
Resolution other than in the usual way; that is to say,
you do not agree with words being spoken of matters
outside of the Resolution. Indeed, when you look
at the Resolution, you will see that it deals specifically
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It is not my intention to refer to the Scheme.
1'here are those of us who like to abide by the Rules.
I do not kick when you rule. However, no one should
object to any reference being made to the Scheme for
the Institute if what the Scheme states is not carried
out, because in passing the Resolution, you are im-
plementing the Scheme. If what the hon. members
said about it is correct, the Government should be
quite willing to say something about it. You have
to be factual. There is no point in your pretending
that you are doing more than you can do. This
Technical School is for a certain number of boys.
I do not believe this school can hold the number of
which hon. members are speaking. The Scheme is
limited to a certain number of boys and preference
is being given to certain schools to send boys at
the Institute at its beginning.
a.25 p.m.
1 am only making a factual statement, because
all the secondary schools that exist in the island, if
they had to send four or more boys, you would find
a number of boys going to the approved secondary
schools, and some schools will be left out if you did
that. There should not only be approved schools,
but approved candidates, because you can have
approved schools, but every approved school cannot
produce approved candidates in the sense of can-
didates who are likely to go forward. I would like
o deal with the note in the Addendum. "In the
addendum to the Resolution No. 54/195(6 relating
io the provision of staff for the Technical Institite
it was intimated that the assistance of the Crown
Agents was being sought in the recruitment of
Technical Instructors with the requisite quali
fications and that as soon as the terms and condi-
tions of service had been settled satisfactorily a
resolution would be submitted to the legislature
for the provision of the necessary funds. The Crown
Agents have now notified that suitable candidates
are in view and accordingly an amount of $11,832 is
required to pay salaries for the remainder of the cur-
rent financial year." It goes on to say that "The
salary proposed for these posts is in the scale $4,800
x 240 5,760 per annum and agreements will be
entered into with the appointees for a period of
three years."
Now, I am very glad to hear that, but I do not
want Government to be too ambitious about these
salaries and think you are going to keep these people
on contract for three years, because you will find
yourselves in a position like that at the Hospital,
and I hope the Minister of Education does not pos-
sess the same mental attitude about the Technical
Institute with the remark he made about people
from Cats Castle, because in my opinion it is the
people from Cats Castle who are going to make the
technicians, because it is going to appeal to these
people, people from obscurity, people from low
down; but if one can see this permeating your mind,
and there is this innate snobbery in dealing with
education, education has its wrong meaning. If the
Technical Institute is to create better technicians for
Barbados, then your mental attitude must change;
your whole approach to life must change; and that
is where T am going to warn the Governcment. TI sm
going to make this bold statement. This is a worth-
while institution; it is an institution that must affect4
the Union of which I have the honour to be General
Secretary, but I must make this warning that within
the context of the Barbados economy and industry,
we must not get the idea that the Technical Institute
in Barbados can run along precisely the same lines
as a Technical Institute in highly industrialized
places moving, on to automation. The majority of


the people you have to absorb in trade and industry
are in the main going to; be mechanics; they are not
going to be the people required for the assembly
lines in manufacturing motor cars; they are not going
to be the people in the chemical places like ICI. In
the main you have to train the boys, and if. you
reach the stage, train girls in the maintenance of
heavy machinery, light machinery and in the build-
ing and construction trade. If you take an analysis
of the trade and industry you have in Barbados, it
will give some slight indication of that. I do feel
that the Government should pay attention to the
recruits they will have as instructors, because from
my experience even in the United Kingdom, they
to-day have found difficulty in recruiting people for
these jobs, and do not get the idea-and I would not
repeat what I have even heard repeated, that you
are going to get the super-super person coming to.
Barbados to take up these jobs, .because the super-
super people, the English, the American or Australian
cannot get them and when they get them they are
holding them with higher salaries. What is being
done in the United Kingdom is not going to be done
here. You are not taking the boys from trades and
using them in this Technical Institute; you are tak-
ing the youngsters from the schools and recruiting
them into the Institute, and we are not surrounded
by a big technical world. The technical world in
Barbados is limited, and so a boy has to show real
aptitude in order to find profitable employment. The
worst thing you can do is to have a boy from a
secondary school who cannot find his way in life in
this community, because he is a more disgruntled
individual than a boy who never goes further than
elementary school and feels the world does not owe'
him anything. I have to watch the Technical Insti-
tute very carefully because as one engaged in the-
Trade Union Movement, I am going to come up
against this in my daily employment and I know this
is one of the problems we are going to face with
industrialisation in Barbados, if we are going to find
in process of time that recruitment is based on such
a narrow basis. I am very pleased to support the
Resolution for this money, and I say I cannot see
the Government getting men who are going to remain
in Barbados at these salaries for three years. My
experience in the last six weeks indicate that this
is one of the things we are going to come up against,
as in England, because one of the problems is the
recruitment of people. I am not one of the people
who do not mind if the salaries come near somebody
else's and if you want the Institute to mean some-
thing you must have instructors feeling happy. I
am not one of those who think you can run this
Technical Institute successfully if you are going to
run it on the salaries that you have proposed here.
Mr. VAUGHAN: Mr. Chairman. ....
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: Perhaps if the hon. mem-
ber will give way, I would explain that we have tried
at lower salaries and then at a higher salary, and
now at last we can get people at the salary proposed.
That is the answer, and we would not have come-
with this until the Crown Agents had informed us.
that we could get somebody. I apologise if I took
for granted the general principle of what was passe
As I said in the course of one of my interruptions,
any boy car, sit. You do not write to every parent
and say you can let your boy sit for the Technical
Institute. Let me remind hon. members of thil
scheme. I have it before me and I thought every
body would have had a general knowledge of whal
the principle of the scheme is.
'Admission to the Institute shall he by means
of such examinations and tests as approved by
the Director and such examination and tests shall be


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conducted by the Principal at the end of each
academic year." Then what did we do?. We made
provision for seventy candidates, that is the law,
seventy apprentices and thirty boys from Comber
mere School. 'When the scheme was first brought the
House objected to Combermere only, and the Director
of Education, gave explanations, then I came back to
the island and I gave the explanation why Comber-
mere was singled out, because it was the only school
with anything approaching what you might call a
real technical stream, but it was made clear that
nothing would be done to prevent other boys from
coming to Combermere to take that training.
5.35 p.m.
Anybody can sit, and he gets through this exami-
nation or does not get through it as the case may be.
The next section says this: The principal shall
submit to the Governing Body the result of the
entrance examinations and tests each year together
with his recommendations for entry for confirmation
by the Governing Body, which shall -
(a) fix from time to time, subject to the ap-
proval of the Director, the number of stu-
dents to be admitted to each coarse in any
one year;
(b) select in each year as students, to the num-
ber ol' not more than seventy, candidates
who have been successful in the entrance
examinations and tests who are also appren-
tices properly indentured to registered firms
or master workmen in trades appropriate
to the courses of instruction and training
provided at the Institute; provided that, if
through failure in the entrance examina-
tions and tests or for any other reason an
insufficient number of indentured appren
tices be recommended as students, the Gov-
erning Body of the Institute may after the
end of the second year of the operation of
the Institute, fill the vacancies thus caused
with candidates who have been successful
in the entrance examinations and tests and
who also are and will remain pupils of
Combermere School while they are at the
Institute and who have been recommended
for courses at the Institute by the Head-
master and Governing Body of Comber-
mere School;"
I am sure that the hon. junior member for Christ
Church had been approached by the Technical I.n-
-stitute; and he would know all this. You pas,
the examination and the test, the Director of Edu-
cation sends up your name to the Governing Body
and the recommendations as to who have got through.
No more than seventy candidates can get in. There
is another paragraph to this effect; the Governing
Body of the Institute shall select.
"select in each year after the end of the second
year of the operation of the Institute as
students, to the number of not more than
thirty, candidates who have been successful
in the entrance examinations and tests andi
who also are and will remain pupils of Corn
bermcre School while they are at the In-
stitute and who have been recommended
for courses at the Institute by the Head-
master and governing Body of Comber-
mere School; provided that, if through fail-
ures in the entrance examinations and tests
for any other reason an insufficient number
of pupils of Combermere School be re-
commended as students, the Governing Body
of the Institute may fill the vacancies thus
caused with other candidates who have been
succes-ful in the entranue examinations and


tests and who are also apprentices properly
indentured to registered firms or master
worlkmen in trades appropriate to the courses
of instruction and training provided at the
Institute."
In short, there will be seventy boys from
Foundries, Stores, Workshops and so on. If you
have seventy who have passed the examinations and
tests, those seventy will be admitted. If you do not
get these seventy, then you will make up the number
with: boys from Combermere. Suppose the same thing
happens at Combermere! If there are failures at
Combermere, and you do not get the thirty from
Combermere then you get apprentices.
I will forgive the members of this House or the
public for forgetting at times. You cannot carry
everything in your head, not even the lawyers can
carry all the Law in their heads. I say that there
is.no discrimination against anybody; anybody from
any Secondary School is admitted. I have read the
].roviso, and therefore what is the good of bringing
forward an argument which is suggesting that the
Director of Education can discriminate against any
School?.
The hon. senif;r member for St. John gave the
impression that the Lodge School was not being con-
sidered, but he corrected the impression which he
gave. The point is, that you can sit an examination
and everybody knows that, but it is limited to sev-
(nty apprentices. Harrison College has chosen to
start this technical stream. Anybody can start
this stream as he likes, and send in his pupils; pro-
vided that in the opinion of the Director of Educa-
tion that private School is sufficiently equipped
to furnish its boys with the pre-entran, e
training equivalent to that obtainable at Combermere
School, a boy will get a place although he is not an
apprentice in a workshop. I repeat that this House
objected at first sight to what apparently applied to
Combermere School only, and this proviso was put in
to make it abundantly clear that nobody would be
excluded from either the seventy or thirty provided
there was room for him. This proviso states:-
"Provided that pupils, who shall be subject to
the same conditions mentioned elsewhere in this
Scheme as are applicable to pupils from Comber-
mere School, may be selected from any other school
in the Island which in the opinion of the Director
of Education is adequately equipped to offer pre-
entrance training equipment to that obtainable ai,
Combermere School."
If you pass a Law saying that only 100 can get
in, what is the use of complaining if you are the
101st? The law says that only 100 can get in.
When this matter came back to this House on the
Second occasion my recollection is that it was passed
without division.
Mr. VAUGHAN: Mr. Chairman, I may begin
by informing this -louse that I have recently been
appointed as a member of a G'overning Body, and
as such, I have had close contact with these matters.
I can answer the hon. senior member for St. John aus
a result of a meeting of the Board held yesterday.
I can quote a letter from the Director of Education
dated 12th July, in reply to the letter from the Lodge
School Board dated 6th June, relative to the creation
of the Technical Stream at the Lodge. The letter
stated that 'he proposals would be in the final form
where pupil, of the Lodge School would have the
same opportunities for admission to the Institute.
provided that they were suitably trained, as would
be offered to pupils of any other School: so that
when the TIon. Premier says "any other School," he
knows what he is talking about. It would be seen


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that the Headmaster of Lodge was conferring with
the Principal of the Technical Institute in the matter.
As far as I have been made to understand from
the Director of Education, the number of appren-
tices who at 'present can be accommodated at this
Technical Institute is something like 358 boys.
5.45 p.m.
The delay has been occasioned because of the
lack of and difeulty of acquiring staff but as the
iote to the Resolution before us explains, that is
somewhat offset at present and the Director, as far
as he believes, hopes in the near future to be accom-
modating 358 boys because they are having two
schools-a day and a night school-and in that way
they hope to accommodate that number of boys.
This Technical Institute is the ambition of the
Department of Education. This Technical Insti.
tute may be comparable to any Technical Institute
in the United Kingdom which train boys in several
courses of technology. It teaches boys to become
artisans with the higher form of technical knowledge
and they sit the highest qualified exams at the
universities abroad. Already the plans which the
Director has in mind about the running of this
Technical Institute and which he is going to put in
force have become the envy of the surrounding col-
onies which have these Institutes already. Just as
Harrison College is compared with the best Gram
mar Schools in the United Kingdom, so is it spoken
of the plans of the Barbados Technical Institute
because they say that the preparations made at our
Institute are comparable to any similar Technical
Institute in the United Kingdom. As I have said,
they hope to accommodate 358 boys because they
hope to keep a day and a night school. I do not
think I need say much more on the matter, but what
I have said is knowledge which I have gleaned from
the horse's mouth.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: I have listened to the
hon.'member who says that he is convinced that the
plans of the Technical Institute will come into
operation by next year.
Mr. VAUGHAN: I said that the plans are t(
prepare at this Technical Institute several grades
of technologists, from the well instrnited artisan
up to the higher grades of technologists, the pupils
of which can qualify for passing technological
examinations at University standard. Those are the
plans for this Institute. I am not saying that this
will happen next year.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: I accept what the hon.
member says. He means pre-entrance examinations
Mr. VAUGHAN: To give yon an instance, the
best pupil4 who are coming from Harrison College
and the Lorge School should be able to analify r"
the standard of a University standard in techi,
lo-y in England.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: You are a member of
a Board whose members are men of great qualifca-
tions. You should read. That is nonsense which you
just spoke. Mr. Chairman, let me say that all thet
was said by the Hon. Premier and the honourable
junior member for St. John have clinched my argu-
ment. Of course, the Hon. Premier has to refresh
his memory as to the Scheme of the Technical
Institute. Of course, we are aware of the question
of pre-entrance training for boys who are to go to
this Institute. Of course, we knew that they did
put in a Proviso to the Scheme which is as follows:-
"Provided that pupils, who shall be subject to
the same conditions mentioned elsewhere in this
Scheme as are applicable to pupils from Comber-
mere School, may be selected from any other school


in the Island which in the opinion of the Director
of Education is adequately equipped to offer pre-
entrance training equivalent to that obtainable at
Combermere School."
I thought the Hon. Premier would have denied
what I said. If the Director of Education can send
schemes to Harrison College and Combermere, he
can also send schemes to those non-aided secondary
schools to which he has given a certificate. I refer
to those which have well qualified masters; I am
not saying that he should send a scheme to a person
who has opened a school because he wants some
pennies. If you have an approved secondary school,
one which is qualified to teach up to a certain
standard of secondary education, and the Director
of Education is sending out a scheme to the Lodge,
Harrison College or Combermere, he should also
send out one to such other approved schools.
Mr. VAUGHAN: Mr. Chairman, what I spoke
on I quoted from a letter from the Director of
Education which was sent to the Lodge School
Board.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: As has already been
discussed, the Director of Education has sent a
copy of the scheme to secondary schools omitting
those secondary schools which are not aided by the
Government. The Hon. Premier knows that that
was a point which we raised in this House and to
which they made an amendment which was only a
sop. There seems to be some official annoyance to
certain secondary schools. 'I am in a position to
talk back to anybody who talks to me. It is a fact
that anything they can do to harm those schools,
they will do. I am saying that you cannot put
people with ability in the gutter. The Modern High
School is catering to the needs of nearly 1,000
children and they are other secondary schools such
as Mr. Rudder's which are qualified to send boys
to this Institute. Therefore, I contend that the
Director of Education or the Minister of Education
is drawing a line somewhere. They should call in
the Principals of those other schools and discuss
the matter with them.
The other day, some English officials made
applications to be taken around on a visit and they
did every possible thing to prevent those English
officials from visiting certain schools. Those officials
who were interested in education had to make their
own appointments and arrangements to visit Private
Secondary Schools because the Education Depart-
ment would do nothing to help them to get around
to discuss matters of education with the people who
are running these private secondary schools. I feel
that properly run private schools, such as those
in Bermuda and Trinidad., should be given some
aid. As I have said, I am not thinking of somebody
who has just set up a little place with about 30 boys
to get a few pennies, but wherever the Education
Authorities see that there are properly-run Private
Secondary Schools, then I say, you should do nothing
(I mean as far as the Government is concerned) to
prevent them from partaking in whatever you do.
The fact remains that you have done nothing to
bring these Private Secondary Schools into the
scheme. Far from that, you are trying to keep them
out.
The question that Head XX Education stand
part was put and resolved in the affirmative without
division.
5.55 p.m.

ADJOURNMENT

Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS: Mr. Chairman,
I beg that you do now report progress and ask leave
to sit again.


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Hon. M. E. COX: I beg to second that.
The question was put and resolved in the
affirmative without division and Mr. SPEAKER
resumed the Chair and reported accordingly.
On the motion of Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS,
.econded by Hon. M. E. COX, Mr. SPEAKER,
adjourned the House for half an hour.
On Reassembling.

COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY

Mr. SPEAKER: On adjournment the House was
in Committee of Supply.
Mr. SPEAKER left the Chair and the House
resumed Committee of Supply, Mr. SMITH being
in the Chair.

Head XXII-Director of Medical Services
Head 23 was called.
lion Dr. II. G. II. CUMMINS: As the note ex-
plains, the sum of $3,800 was provided under author
ty of Resolution No. 105/55 for the purchase of v
Station Wagon for the transport of the World
Health Organisation Experts.
Due to the late delivery of the vehicle, payment
could not be effected within the financial year 1955-
56, therefore this is just a revote to pay for this Sta-
tion Wagon for the use of the experts.
SI beg to move that Head XXXII stand part.
Hon. M. E. COX: I beg to second that.
Thic question was put and resolved in the affir
alie without division.

Head XXV-Public Works

Head XXV was called.
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: The vote deals with Plant
and Equipment for the Public Works. The note ex
plains the necessity for this.
I beg to move that Head XXV stand part.
Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS: I beg to second
ihat.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: Mr. Chairman, this is one
of the innovations that I hope now that Government
has seen fit to do it, there would not be any misgiv-
ings about things happening to private individuals.
'lhe note says: "The Director of Public Works"; it
does not say the Minister, "has represented that con-
siderable time is wasted in the construction of build-
ings over two storeys in height by the present labori-
ous method of lifting all materials by hand labour
on block and tackle."
Now this must be analysed in this context. It is
laborious. I am one of those people who would like to
see many of the primitive methods of doing many
jobs abolished, but we still have to bear in mind that
in a redundant population there is no use saying you
must find outlets for people by letting them go over-
seas, and at the same time use the word laborious.
Laborious methods in a place with a large population
is not unusual. There is an old parochial system
where you repair roads not so much because vou have
In do the roads. but yon do them on the basis of
fipnd, i" unemployment for people. T do not subscribe
to thb view: T am more modern in mv outlook to the
view in whi,'h yml manufacture employment by using
outdated methods which is uneconormic and cannot
producee a worthwhile economy for the people, so I
have no objection: but it is members of the Govern-
ment who know other reasons, say they want to find
employment for people and do things of that nature.
I .an bring references to show if you do this you can
do other things and find means of employment, but


with the abolition of these laborious methods you will
take away employment from those people who do
work with the block and tackle.
6.10 p.m.
You are going to have the position where these
workers will now question you.on the basis of what
the re-assessment and the re-valuation of work within
the whole Public Works Department is going to be.
That is where the Trade Unions have to play a very
important part. There are some of the people in
respect of whom it has been stated by the Govern-
ment that it is illegal for them to be represented by
the Trade Union. You are now investing $2,000
in this Department, and it means that when you
are erecting certain buildings, you are not to require
the amount of assistance which you needed when
you were working under the old laborious system.
That system kept back the buildings from being
erected in a shorter period. If you had a system
of 10 man hours, instead of having 10 man hours,
you are now having six man hours to do the same
job which was done before.
No one who is modern in his outlook in indus-
trial matters would object to that; I am only men-
tioning this to show that where the Government
takes the lead in any technological change, it is
stupid to ask private employers not to do the same
thing. There is no question of belly-ache when
you hear-
Hon. G. H. ADATM S: If I may interrupt the
honourable member, I should like to say that there
is no question of any diminution of labour. When
I have a buggy, I employ a coachman, and when
I have a motor car, I employ a chauffeur. Nobody
is going to be unemployed.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: If I read the note to
this Item correctly, this is what it says:-
"The Director of Public Works has represented
that considerable time is wasted in the construction
of buildings over two storeys in height by the pres-
ent laborious method of lifting all materials by
hand labour on block and tackle. It is considered
therefore that it would be a great improvement to
furnish the Department with a mobile hoist capable
of lifting a loaded wheelbarrow."
If something can lift a loaded wheelbarrow
as compared with a man who.is hauling up a bucket
with something in it, if you are employing the
same labour force as the Premier has said, what are
you saving then? The analogy which has been
drawn between a buggy and a motor car is inapplic-
able if it is a question of saving time and labour.
I am not one of those who would say that you should
not have any technological improvement; all I am
saying is that if the Government attempts to intro-
duce any technological change, then you can look
out that private employers are going to do the same
thing. If you have a machine for mixing cement,
do not tell me that you are going to employ the same
number of people for mixing cement; you may em-
ploy people for mixing something in a faster method
somewhere else. You say that this proposal is not
going to cause any diminution of the labour force;
vet where you were employing 800, you are now
!ooing to employ 788 or 790. I am dealing with the
gradual diminution of labour which is going to take
nlace; I am not opposed to this improvement at all.
I am merely saying that if you are making this
change, when private employers do the same thing,
then you cannot say that you are enacting legislation
to prevent any diminution in labour. When these
changes are taking place, then adequate provision
has to be made all along.
The Government does not give any guarantee
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a Trade Union, but these people have had no guaran-
tee. Some people are employed on a day-to-day
basis, and if the rain falls, they are not employed.
I am at pains to draw ihis matter to the attention
of this Committee, because there is a glaring case
before me in which the TradeTTnion had to deal with
an issue similar to this one, in which an employer
was making a change with which we agreed, and it
would be surprising if I were to state in this House
what was written in an article which had something
to do with the Trade Union, and which was written
by one of the members of the Government.
The Government is introducing a new change,
but you can get, in respect of private industry, a
deliberate attempt made by a member of the Gov-
ernment to interfere with something which the Trade
Union was doing relative to private employment. I
will have to deal with tiat matter when a Resolu-
tion in connection with the Sugar Industry comes
before this House, because it is something which
relates to the Sugar Industry.
The question that Head XXV stand part o]
the Schedule was put and resolved in the affirnma-
tive without division.

HIGHWAYS AND TRANSPORT

Head XXXII-Highways and Transport-was
called.
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: In connection with this
Item the amount provided under it has proved to
be insufficient. Where the roadways are broken
by the Waterworks Department, the Electric Comn
pany and the Telephone Company, which are public
utilities, the Department of Highways and Trans-
port has to repair the roads. This work is done at
the expense of these Companies, and therefore the
whole amount of money under this Item is recover-
able. I beg to move that this Head stand part ot
the Schedule.
Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMiNS: I beg to second
that.
The question that Head XXXII stand part of the
Schedule was put and resolved in the affirmative
without division.

TRANSPORT

Head XXXVI-Transport-was called.
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: The amount required under
this Head is $3,814 to pay the fees of the expert
valuer which is required by Counsel retained by
the Government in respect of the bus arbitration
proceedings. This valuer is required to visit Bar-
bados again during this month to give evidence
before the arbitration tribunal. I beg to move that
this Head stand part of the Schedule.
Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS: I beg to second
that.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: Mr. Chairman, I was not
here when a big debate in respect of this matter
Qf Transport took place in this House. I was very
sorry I was not here, but I have read something in
the Press in connection with what the Hon. Premier
and the Hon. -Tinister of Communications stated
about this matter. The Government is asking for
this amount of $3,814 in respect of this expert valu-
er, but I do not know whether it is the intention
of the Government to keep these buses or to give
them up. Do not let us waste public funds if it is
the Government's intention to give up these buses.
6.20 p.m.
Now, the Government has not yet decided t,,
give up the buses or to give them back to the people


to whom they belong, but I understand that the
Yonkers buses are to be given to some gentleman by
the name of Mr. Alleyne. i do not know what
is written by Mr. Gibbons on the transport system
but I know that there are going to be some pointing
remarks. I read in the newspapers that since the
Transport Board came into operation that no Min-
ister has anything to do with that Board.
I am glad to know that the Government seems
to think that the Transport Board needs overhauling.
Now, the Government had one of the best oppor-
tunities for nationalisation. If there is something
in Barbados to be nationalised and nationalised in
the interest of the community as a whole, it is public
transport. There can be no doubt about that if
you give any serious consideration to it. The Island
is small; it has an excellent net-work of roads and
from the point of view of screening and policy,
there can be no doubt about it. What do you find
An excellent opportunity to nationalise the public
transport service and the Government has given to
all of the detractors of nationalisation and public
ownership the very idea that they can say that na-
tionalisation or public ownership is wrong because
of the mess Government has made with public trans-
portation.
It is true that Government did not plan to do
it, but you do not have a policy, say for nationali-
sation of transportation, and when it comes your
way to do the thing which you have as a matter of
philosophy set out to do, you do not try to make the
best use of it. It is no point to say you must possess
a specialist philosophy to deal with public transport,
because I do not think the public authorities in the
United States of America have a socialist mentality.
As a matter of fact, a socialist philosophy is re-
garded as a crime in the United States of America
There is no State in the United States of America
that is of a socialist nature; yet the public authori-
ties there run public transport. Similarly is the
case with the transport system in London which 1
regard as the best in the world. They riui an excel-
lent service and even the Conservative Government
which is in power now has not made any attempt
to denationalise the type of transport. You find that
Government with its policy to nationalise has made
this mess of running the transport service. You can
clearly see it. Of course, you may not have been
ready to run it, but you have allowed the people to
misrun it because you have people who are not
capable of running the service.
I make this serious charge against Government
because there is no use hiding these matters. The
Government has now come down with a Resolution
for legal expenses in connection with the transport
service.. Do, you know that the Minister of Trans
port says he has nothing to do with it? Let me say
that the Minister has to dictate the policy. Every
member of that Board was appointed by the Min-
ister; no member could be appointed without the
approval of the Minister. The Transport Board is
headed by a man who is a charming person, but he
may not be a man that can give the public the ':est
service. I have had some painful duties to per
form. A man has been dismissed by this Transport
Board and that Board took a week before it could
tell you what the man was dismissed for. When
they gave an explanation, they said that the man
gave some evidence in which the Minister of Trans
port was involved.
Hon. M. E. COX: I must object to that. I
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Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: The Minister's conduct
was the subject of an enquiry in this Island. He says
that he was not involved in anything, but his con
duct was the subject of a public enquiry and one of
the persons who gave evidence was that man, there-
fore, it will have to be the concern of the Minister.
He would not have been in that business if he did
not go begging for contracts. I never yet begged
for contracts; those who beg for contracts pay the
price
Mr. CHAIRMAN: The hon. member is not now
dealing with the Resolution.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: You must listen to the
Hon. Minister. I am not afraid. If the Minister
wants to say something, let him get up on a point of
order and say it. You are asking me not to say
something. My tongue would have to be stuck in the
roof of my mouth.
Mr. CHAIRMAN: I am asking the hon. mem
ber to stick to the Resolution.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: Ask the hon. Minister
first. You allow them to bring the House into dis-
repute and when I reply you are asking me to keep
quiet.
Mr. CHAIRMAN: You do not know the reason
why I rapped my gavel. You must obey the ruling
of the Chair. You should listen to what I am
saying instead of carrying on like that.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: Ask the Hon. Minister
to sit. You must have heard what they said over
there; you cannot pretend that you did not hear
their remarks. I heard the remarks that they are
my friends. Imagine the Minister of Communica-
tions talking of my friends. So far as the Trade
Union is concerned, all its members are my friends.
If a Trade Unionist is right in my opinion, I will
represent his case: if he is wrong there will be no
representation of his case by me.
I have pointed out already that the Transport
Board could not for one week tell the Trade Union
why they dismissed the man and that case was the
subject of a long arbitration before one could know
the reason why they dismissed that man. At the
root of it, you heard the insinuation that the man had
something to do with something against the Minister
of Communications.
What are you asking for in this Resolution?
Are you asking for something to retain the Trans-
port Service or is it the intention of the Governor
to ask the former concessionaires to take 1 ack their
bus service? What has Mr. Gibbons recommended?
I do think that this is a time to say what Mr. Gib-
bons recommended. At this stage, I wolud not deal
with the sodium which has been given against cer-
tain people, or the accusation against the bus con-
ductors that they are responsible for the loss in the
running of the Transport Service. What I do sa>
is that if a general attempt was made to revamp
your Transport Service, there could he no better
occasion and better time to do it than now.
6.30 p.m.
I am saying that the Government and the Labour
Party would have to put a red pencil line right
through nationalisation and say this is no longer
their policy, because I am going to submit that if
Government cannot make a good job of the Trans-
port, there is nothing in Barbados that you can see
the Government nationalising unless they are going
to nationalise us and say all human beings today arp
the sole property of the Government, and when you
buy .a pair of hoes or pants you must get their
approval to see what it is. If they cannot nationalise
the transport system already there, can you see them


nationalising the Electric Company, the Telephone
Company and all these other public utilities in olur
life time when they have failed to take the golden
opportunity to nationalise the bus service? By this
they have given people like the hon. junior member
for Christ Church and the hon. senior member fox
the City the right to cut through on nationalisation
and say they did not mean it. You had an opportu-
nity and failed. I want to say that no matter how
much we protested the increase of bus fares, no one,
no politician, no member of the community, likes to
increase tlhe cost of living for himself, because it
means higher expenditure; the only person who can
by this method say they have reduced the cost of liv-
ing is the employer, because if you take an economic
survey of it, the amount of taxes that have gone this
way must have been more than what the increase
would have been, because it does not matter from
Yach pocket you take it. If you use it from tne .rub-
he Treasury, it has been depleted by more than wnat
ine community would have paid and the public is lack-
ing in that amount, because some people have the
auLea mat if you Lake money out oi tne public 'Treas-
ury it has nothing to do with the people, but it
omies out of the people's pockets. I am a grieved
man to see the position with the public transport in
itis island, and I am not one of those Socialists who
believe in socialism on the basis of spite; I am not a
socialist who believes in socialism, and would only
speak on (a) any socialist theory or in doing some-
thing if it will help somebody or (b) if it is going
to hurt somebody 1 would come off. I have no con-
cessionaire friends and I make no promises that I
am going to do this or that; but in the interest of
the public and the public service, the transport
should be run by the Government of this country for
the public of this country and made to be a success
it is not beyond the competence of the people, but
what do you find; you take an old Civil Servant that
you can use as Chairman of the Board. Why not take
some of the people with ability to make them Chair-
man of the Board rather than taking dunder-heads
people who have been a failure in public business
You put people to control the Board as though.it
were some peddling business, people who are not ac-
customed to having things in a big way and when
they see big money they are afraid of it. I am not
one of those people who believe in bringing back re-
tired people into active jobs; but if you have a
Board like that you make use of those people with
experience for administrative purposes. This Gov-
ernment's belief in justice as a Socialist Government
is that a man is dismissed and is not told why he
Nas dismissed. The Manager of the Transport Board
dismissed a man and he did not know why the man
was dismissed. He was told by the Board to dismiss
the person. Imagine a manager being paid 1,000
a year being told by a Board to dismiss person. [A
VOICE: Who told the Board?]
Mr. CHAIRMAN: The hon. senior member for
the City must not interrupt hon. members when they
are speaking.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: Even in the Ministerial
system where you have a Civil Servant working un-
der one of the Ministers, the Minister cannot tell the
Governor or the Colonial Office when he must be dis-
missed without being given an oppcrtunitv to
represent himself: but the Manager was appointed
by the Board and I make bold to sav that this an-
pointment was subject to the aDproval of the Gov-
ernor-in-Executive Committee. The Minister has no
control over the Department, so what conditions are
you laving down? This is a small plaeo where you no
around and pick your friends. I am not telling him


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to put people who are opposed to Government policy
because there would be no point in that. Do not tell
me there are not competent men in this Island who
would go and sit on a Board like the Transport
Board, and after you have put them there you can-
not let them do their work. Do not have men going
mi disguise in short pants at night looking around the
place at the conductors and next tune they go to a
doard Meeting they report to themselves that the
conductors carried away money last night. Thai is
not the situation you want on a Board, where you
lei tne Iuilnser to watei anoiter man on the boara,
and that a man on the Board is not pulling his
weight. '1his is an indication of the way we are aspir-
ing to responsible Government. in a situation like
that, those of us Who nave any love tor justice must
oppose it. 1 supported the resolution to take over the
uue6s, ana not one or the ouicesslionaires5 cain ten me
anything because I do not borrow money from either
of them; I never, asked them a favour and not even
the bus conductors have to give me a free ride. None
of them can come to imy door and ask me what about
the loan or the interest due. I do not get mixed up in
that kind of business. When the Resolution came here
and the Opposition was ready to go against it say-
ing give the people more money, I supported the tak-
ing over because I wanted to see the public trans-
port run by the public in the interest of the public
and for the public. Here it is now that I hear rumours
of buildings being built because some man is going to
get back his buses; Mr. Birdh has got back his. How
do you know Mr. Birch is not going to come at a
later date and say he cannot run them anymore? But
he came back like a Daniel to judgment and said he
made a mistake; you do not make a mistake with a
matter like that.
You do not tamper with matters concerning thte
buses like that. The action of these Concessionaires
has put the Government to all of this expense; the
sum of $8,795 has already been voted, now we are
asked to vote this $3,814, and we had $5,000' put
down to obtain the services of a Queen's Counsel to
advise us. You go through all of this expense, and
you are giving back the buses to these people! What
is wrong with saying: "We are going to run these
buses?" Why can you not say today that all Trans-
port in Barbados should be run by the Government
in the interest of the community? What protest are
you getting from the people that you cannot run
the Transport of this Island? The Conservatives are
fundamentally against nationalisation, and you
would be playing into their hands if you ever at-
tempt to nationalise anything in the public interest
and then you drop it like a hot brick and you ask
people to hold this baby for you because it is too
wet! Do you imagine that the British Labour Party
would have the steel people to put the steel in their
hands and then they give the steel back to them?
The Conservatives denationalised the steel, it is
true, but are you going to denationalise the public
transport ?
All over the world public transport is one of
the things which you try to nationalise. I do not
subscribe to the view that a good service must neces-
sarily be a cheap service, and that one cent more will
raise the cost of living of the people beyond reason.
A man wants a service which will get him to work
in time and one which will get him home without
having to wait for half an hour on it. We had a
classic example at the Advocate, and despite what
has been said privately that I messed up the Advocate
strike, what is the position in this Island? A man
leaves his work at 11 o'clock to go to Government
Hill for his lunch; he has an hour in which to return


to work; he does not get a bus until 11.30 to go for
ais lunch, and eventually he is 15 minutes late. The
employers will regard him as being 15 minutes late,
and there was a system where a man would be losing
that proportionate part of his wages. Nobody takes
into consideration the transportation service and the
system of communications. I would like to say that
the Government owes a duty to the public. I travel
up and down this Country, and I will say that
you cannot drive from St. Joseph until you reach
Bridgetown without noticing that the buses have
left people to whom you have to give a lift. [A
MEMBER: The Minister of Trade says that you
cannot give a man a lift].
Mr. CHAIRMAN: The hon. senior member for
the City is breaking the Rules of tthe House.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: What Rule is that?
Mr. CHAIRMAN: The hon. junior member for
St. Peter may proceed.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: Where you have a public
service which has made itself so unpopular that you
should nationalise it, and people in this community
agree with that, except those who are fundamentally
opposed to nationisation, why have you got to give
back these buses to the people? Fundamentally, an
employer runs his business for profit. The Govern-
ment cannot run all business for profit; a Govern-
ment-run business cannot be carried on for profit
pure and simple. We pay a subsidy to the W'est
Indlpm; we paid a subsidy to the Canadian National
Steamships and we have to subsidise this service
out of the Treasury saying that it is not making a
profit, but it is a good service, and you would re-
gard it as an economic fare to be paid for what it
means to the community. There are people who say
that they are not increasing the cost of living to the
community, but sometimes the cost of living increas-
es in ways which are not reflected in the Cost of
Living Index.
Mr. Chairman, I would be failing in my duty
if I did say that the [MVinister in charge of this De-
partment owes a duty to the community to make a
full explanation with regard to any vulgarisms in
so far as the people who work in this-Department are
concerned. There is no point in accusing the Con-
ductors 'and Drivers for the losses which have been
sustained: let us be frank about it; I was one of
those who said publicly that the Transport system
could not be properly run unless you have a system
where the boys will play a fair game. I said that
this year would be a year of strikes. We had to deal
with some employers, and you would be surprised to
hear it said that my conduct was reprehensible. I
challenge the Minister to deny this; he said that if
you want the project to succeed, you cannot take
home the bag at night. There is a Minister whom we
find is now smiling; when I said that he was Laval
I was correct; you can spell the word "Laval" both
ways! [Laughter].
Some years ago, the Hon. Premier said that far
from the Transport service being run as it was being
run, he would like to have a service where you could
take any school child from any point to school. Well,
no private Concessionaire would run a service like
that for you; the Government must do it. No Con-
cessionaire would run a bus from any point to a
school on any fare.
6.50 p.m.
Now, Sir, I feel that here is an excellent op-
portunity for any Government with a socialist
philosophy to make the greatest use of the public
system of transport which is one that could be run
in the public interest. But what is the failure of
the Government? The failure is that instead of


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attacking the problem as big men and realising that
they hold a big position and act big accordingly,
they go and look for people who are not big enough
to run the service for them. I have nothing against
the men whom they have put on the Transport Board,
but if you put a man to run your Transport Service,
you must put a man who can do the job competently.
We all have many friends, but all of our friends
cannot even run their business properly. It is
pitiable to go to the Transport Board and see what
is happening there. They are like men who find
themselves in a strange land. I do not know how
to address them. They do not have one single clue
to the problem presented to them. They cannot say
to this day why they dismissed that man. The
Minister's plea would be that the Board dismissed
the man. He would wash his hands out of it like
Pilate. This is what I know and what he cannot
deny. The action of the Board over that person
who was dismissed has cast a very sad reflection on
the Minister's administration of that Department.
I will go further by saying that the Director of
Highways and Transport was in charge of the Trans-
port Board. It was stated that the Director fooled
the Minister and did not give him the full facts of
the situation. Whether that is so or not, do not go
from one extreme to another. If the Director fool-
ed you, do not go for a fool to fool you. I know as
well as the world, and the Minister knows it too, that
the present Chairman of the Board is not competent
to handle every problem that comes before the Board.
As a Manager, he is a nice man, but at heart he is
weak in will. What manager is he that the Board
can tell the General Secretary of the Union that they
must be given a week to say why they dismissed a
man? If the Executive Council of the Barbadoss
Workers Union decided to dismiss a member
of my staff and1 they could not give the reason,
they would have to dismiss me too. When the
Ministerial system of Government was about to come
into being, there was a suggestion of taking a Minister
to the Governor if somebody got vexed and we said
"No" to that. We said that it was not to work that
way. You put a man as Manager of the Transport
Board. He holds an administrative post. If you
put him there, you cannot have another man snoop-
ing around the corner at night behind him. Fire
him if he is no good. That is where the whole thing
has broken down. The Hon. Minister of Communica-
tion's duty to the public is to get people who can
do the job. We of the Barbados Workers Union
could have given him a retired Trade Unionist to
do something for you on that Board; you should not
look around for lackeys. These are not days for
lackeys; these are days for socialists and people who
have the philosophy. If you look for lackeys, you
will get cheap people who will do things for a loaf of
bread or an old waistcoat. Real men are not going
to do such things. There are many people who while
they do not agree with your philosophy would have
done a better job.
You said that the bus conductors did not bring
in all the money they collected. Do you think our
bus conductors and bus drivers are bigger thieves
than people working in another line of business?
Tell me of a domestic servant that does not carry
away some of your sugar. If you work on that
philosophy you will fire all of them and will have
to do all the cooking yourself. The Minister talked
of such things happening in the general administra-
tion. I am saying: do not tell the public that the
reason why the Transport service failed was because
of the system which you have. Let me say. lest I
be misunderstood, that there has not been any mem-
ber of the Worker's Union which that Union repre-


sented where a case of pilferage was brought against
him and the Council of the Union found him guilty
of the offence. We have no political axe to grind.
We will dismiss a man today if the General Elec-
tions are tomorrow so long as we feel his conduct
is against the Union. We do not say, Mr. So and
So is a good canvasser, therefore we cannot dismiss
him. We stand for right in the Trade Union. We
do not represent that kind of person. The honour-
able senior member for the City knows because he
sits around the table at some of those meetings that
when the Union has a member who is guilty, we have
no time to waste in trying to argue a case for him.
As I have said, the Government has an excellent
opportunity of owning the Transport Service, The
British Transport authorities have people with
knowledge and they are willing to support you not
only in one thing but in others. This is the mistake
made by the Hon. Minister. Now the horse is out
of the stable, he has called in Mr. Gibbons to advise
them; he did not get Mr. Gibbons to advise them
from early. You should have got somebody like him
to advise you from the start. but you have not done
that. When you possess an overdose of conceit you
must go wrong. The Minister of Communications
believes that so long as he can get up and smear any-
body's character and can make people believe that
everybody else is dishonest but he is an honest man,
that that is all he has to do; he does not have to
do anything more.
As regards the bus conductors and drivers em-
ployed by the Government, do you know that they
are employed 365 days a year but if any one of them
takes a day off, he loses money by it? Is that right?
Of course, the Hon. Minister will say that he does
not know anything about that. It is because of that, I
say that I have a function to perform. You cannot get
away with it from me when you make people work
on that old slavish idea. I do not want any seat in
the House of Assembly just to warm it and get
$160, a month without representing the people. Sir
I intend to talk on any of these injustices which I
see. You cannot let these things go unanswered.
Sir, that poor man is now out of a job. All that
we of the Union are saying is that if he is wrong,
we are willing to admit, but we have not heard why
he is wrong. All they are saying is that he is wrong.
Can you imagine that I asked them why they dis-
missed the man and they said: "we have dismissed
him but give us a week to tell you why we have dis-
missed him." It really sounds fantastic but that is
what the Board told us. We asked them: "if you
have dismissed the man for sound reasons, why cannot
you tell Ms here and now?"
Imagine dismissing a man and you cannot tell
him the reason why he was dismissed. We ask if you
had to dismiss a man for sound reasons, why could
you not tell us why he was dismissed there and their ?
But the idea was that this man gave evidence in a
case in which the Minister was involved and human
nature being what it is, what more could you expect?
Because the man gave evidence against the Minister,
spite was being used against the man. You cannot
prevent people from hearing these things because
many of the Ibus drivers and conductors are people
who belong to the Union, and I am not afraid of
saying that that was the feeling. I can call names
1 ut I would prefer not to; but one man said that in
an argument in the Union and it was some thing to
do with a man whose nickname is one "Christmas".
When you get these things happening in your ad-
ministration, it begins to get to the root of your
Ministerial System which must be above the slightest
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a man lose his job. Ministers must stand clear in
their ministerial functions and not allow anything
to make them depart from their policy, because ii
you get that taking place, the whole situation wdil
be like a Fascist Government where stooges come
in with the Ministers; and when the Ministers go,
the stooges go too, or are shot. We do not want that
in Barbados; we are too small for that. We a're
heading towards mere responsible Government as a
federal nation. I am strong on two grounds: I am
in favour of Government owning buses; but you
must tell the hon. senior member for the City and
the hon. junior member for Christ Church why you
believe in Socialism, because it stands for social
justice and you must give a man the right to rise and
also give the people an economy that will fit the
needs of the majority and not the needs of the few.
You should not be preaching that a man stole money,
but there is something which you cannot answer, and
that is, that nationalisation is a bugbear. If you
are going to give them a better economy, how are you
going to do it unless Government put money in the
people's interest and take a positive step? So far
as I am concerned I have no axe to grind. I have
been accused; I am not one of those people who will
accuse people of certain things, but I will accuse the
Hon. Minister, if it is an accusation, of being in-
volved in a case and be frank enough to say that 1-
is a spiteful and vindictive man and the members of
his Party know it. They say it of him, and that he
will move any stone against any person whom ne
feels is in his way. [A VOICE: Hear, hear!] I
go further to say that if they knew the man was a
dishonest man-they made him an inspector, and
we promoted him to president of his division; we did
it and they knew it. If they did not want him to 'e
an inspector they should say so, but you should not
go behind his back and say he is a dishonest man.
I would like to say this: no Minister has any right
to say if a man vote or does not vote what will hap-
pen. We do not get everybody voting for us. You
do not ask a man's wife to vote for you unless some-
thing has gone wrong. [A VOICE: Like what?]
use your imagination! i every community there are
people who are opposed to you, but that is a sign of
healthy democracy. At the same time I do not like
to see any Minister use his influence against aay
person and I Iope that after the expenditure in this
legal matter that Government will make a clear un-
equivocal statement as to what is their intention so
far as keeping the buses are concerned. Do you
intend to keep the buses or give them up? If you
intend to give them up, say so and advertise so that
whosoever will may come forward; but it will be one
of the gravest mistakes you will be making in giving
back the buses to private concessionaires and that
will be the end in this island of nationalisation.
Hon. M. E. COX: Mr. Chairman, there is only
pone point to which I should like to reply. I am
prepared to answer the hon. member as he should
be answered or could be answered inside here,
where there is protection or rather some measure
of protection, but I am sure the opportunity will
avail itself in some other place or places for me to
reply adequately and properly to the remarks made
against me. I should only draw to the attention ot
the Committee that this Resolution has absolutely
nothing to do with the running of the buses. This is
a Resolution for $3,814 to bring the Expert out here
to give evidence in the case of arbitration which is
expected to take place sometime during the latter
part of this mouth. The House has already by a
vote agreed to bringing out this man; and as hon.


members know, the gentleman was here and the case
having adjourned, it was necessary for him to go back
home, and now it is also necessary for him to return
here and give evidence in the case. During the
course of his remarks the hon. member, as is custom-
ary threw some slime and mud on me as he could,
but I have become accustomed to that sort of thing
not from him alone, but from all my opponents from
whom I differ purely on policy. That has been
happening for some years and that can continue as
long as I live or the individuals, it makes no differ-
ence to me. I just wanted to refer to the particular
case to which he made mention of some employee of
this Transport Board, as he says, having given
some evidence in some case or other-I did not know
I was involved in a case-and therefore I chose the
opportunity of having this man dismissed. Now,
the truth about this is, and he knows quite a lot
today, and he has of course chosen this opportunity
to attack me.
7.10 p.m.
The truth of this matter, as far as I know, is this.
This man was working at the Transport Board from
the time the Government took over the Transport
service. I have been reliably informed, that not a
single private Concessionaire would employ him; he
was drafted into this service when it was first taken
over. Soon after the Government took over the ser-
vice, a man came to my office interviewed me, and
made many suggestions' to me for the improvement
of the Transport service of this Island. I do not know
what position he was occupying at the time, but he
said that he was working with the Transport Board.
I want to give the lie to the cheap stuff which the
hon. junior member for St. Peter has thrown off here
tonight. He said that I victimised this man.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: On a point of explana-
tion, Mr. Chairman. If ever there was a person who
can lie, he is an inveterate one. What I did say, was
that this man gave evidence in a case, and the Hon.
Minister is afraid to say that, because he did not
know anything about the case in which Sir Clement
Malone was Arbitrator. The point is that this man
gave evidence in the case, and the impression was
given not only to me, but to other people as well,
that because the man gave evidence in this ease, that
was used against him. I repeat that; and you can go
and ask people if that is not the impression which
was given. All the hon. member has to do is say that
be knew nothing either about the case or about the
contract.
Hon. M. E. COX: That publicity does not worry
me, and the hon. member knows that too. He gets on
platforms and tells people about it; I am quite sure
that when the whole thing was finished, I had a
clean record when some of them had a very dirty one.
[ASIDES] I like to deal with things on the plat-
form level. [Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: I like to deal
with them on that level too]. The man to whom the
Yon. member was referring ........(ASIDES).
Mr. CHAIRMAN: If the hon. senior member:
for the City continues to interrupt the hon. member
who is speaking, I will name him.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: I am very sorry, Mr.
Chairman.
Hon. M. E. COX: As I was saying, Mr. Chair-
man, the hon. member knows that outside the Gov-
ernment, this man has a very bad record.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: On a point of Order.
The first time I met this man, was when I was called
iin the case.
Hon. M. E. COX: This man went to Prison for
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taking away tyres; this man could not get a job in
the Government Service. He was employed by the
Transport Department and quite a number of reports
have been made against his behaviour. I only got to
know that in May or June this year, after the Depart-
ment was taken over by the Government. The Board
interviewed him to get a clean picture as far as the
running of the buses was concerned, and each man
there including the Secretary of the Organisation,
referred to the behaviour and conduct of many of the
employees of the Board. They referred to him at the
time as a menace to the place. I knew nothing about
uim; the people there said that they would get rid,
not only of this man, but of many others against
whom there were many charges. The Director of
Highways and Transport had reprimanded and sus-
pended this man on more than one occasion.
As far as the bus service was concerned, it was
absolutely necessary for every move which was made
to be reported to the Minister and the conduct of
people was reported from time to time. On the last
occasion, the report was made that this man was put
to work in Fontabelle and at no time when the Chief
Officer went to the spot could this man be found. H.
was working for $22 a week and was renting a motor
car for $40 and teaching the wife of his boss to drive
when he was supposed to be working for the Govern-
ment. The Board took account of the numerous
reports which were made against this man, and they
decided that they could not go on with him any
longer. Whatever may have been the method in which
they handled the situation at the Union, that is a
matter for them; I do not know anything about it.
All I happen to know is from the numerous reports
which were filed against this man and other people;
i have no reason to doubt that the whole situation
was in a mess aided and abetted by some people who
claim to be representatives. [Mr. F. L. WALCOTT':
Call names]. Some of the people who claim to be
representatives have asked: "What is wrong if you
take something out the bag and get something to
eat?" These people will still criticise the Minister i
the service does not show a profit: if there is any
praise, the Minister does not want it from them. If
there is any criticism and castigation to be thrown,
it is thrown on the Minister; but when it is praise,
it is thrown on the Officials or the Board or some
people like that. I say that I have had absolutely
nothing to do with this man; everybody says that
this man was a perjurer. The hon. junior member for
St. Peter knows nothing about the man, but he was
sitting in there when he was giving evidence.
7.20 p.m.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: I rise on a point of order.
I never knew that this man ever gave evidence against
the Minister.
HON. M. E. COX: The .hon. member cannot
interrupt me.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: I must interrupt you
when you are wrong.
HON. M. E. COX: I must categorically deny
any statement made by the hon. junior member for
St Peter or anybody else as regards having used my
position to dismiss a man because the man opposed
me. I will tell you something more., There are mem-
oers of that Board who are friends of hon. members on
that side of the Table.
The hon. junior member for St. Peter referred
to the Chairman ,of the Board. I want to assure him
that he is a man whom I have seen for some- years and
I regard him as a respectable man. I do not know
of anything against him. He has been appointed
Chairman of the Board. It is the hon. member's duty
as a supposed defender of the community, if he knows
anything detrimental to the Chairman's character


tV bring it to the notice of the Government and I can
assure him that the Government will take action.
As I have said, I know of nothing of his politics; as
a matter of fact, I am inclined to believe that he is
also a friend of hon. members on the other side.
This is the position of the Government as regards
some of those members that were appointed to that
Board: I felt that with the experience of some of them
in the motor business, such as running motor vehicles
and hired cars, that that experience would have been
similar to running a bus business and that it could
be used in good stead because except for the private
individuals who had the experience of running the
buses over the past years, there is nobody else in
this island who has any experience of running buses;
therefore, you have got to take the material which
is available.
The hon. member made one point with which I
agree when he said that there are times even though
you may have somebody more capable and with more
ability than another individual that that somebody
should not be appointed to fill the position, but that
the person should be appointed because of his willing-
ness to serve. It is a fact that you can have educated
brooks and that you find people using their educa-
tional ability to render a disserve. It is not a ques-
tion of pure ability; it is a question of appointing a
person whom you believe in and have good reasons to
believe will work for the success of the community
The hon. junior member for St Peter referred to
our not appointing a Trade Unionist on the Board.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: Mr. Chairman, I rise
on a point of order. The honourable member should
have listened to what I said. I said that you would
not expect the Government tc appoint an active trade
unionist like a member of the Executive Council be-
cause you cannot have a person on a Board represent,
ing the Board when he is also representing the Trade
Union. I said that may be, ypu could have appointed
some retired trade unionist,
Hon. M. E. COX: The honourable member re-
ferred to a retired trade unionist on the Board. How-
ever, what I want to tell this Committee is that we
have never ignored the existence of the Trade Union.
If you look at the membership of the Housing
Authority, you will see that the President of the
Barbados Workers' Union is a member of the Hous-
ing Authority.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: Why didn't you ask a
member from that organisation?
Hon. M. E. COX: You do not ask a man to
serve on a Board from a particular organisation.
Sir, I would not have risen, were it not for thel
nasty remarks made by th. honourable junior mem-
ber for St. Peter relative to my conduct. My
association with the Board is as clear as anybody
can understand, and I am more surprised that for
a man with that conduct, a man whose behaviour is
so questionable, the honourable junior member for
St. Peter could put up such a strong defence, even
going to the extent of accusing a Minister. The hon-
ourable member will tell you that everybody knows
that anything which the Transport Board does goes
to the Executive. Now, as he says, he knows nothing
about it, butfthat a member was indiscreet enough to
tell him that the Board has merely pushed this man
out of work because he gave evidence in some ease.
I do not think anything could be more disgraceful
for a supposedly responsible member of the com-
munity to do. There is nothing which could be more
discreditable and nauseating than the remarks which
the honourable member has said of me to-night.
Again, T will assure the Committee that the
Board came to us with a number of names of people
i to be dismissed. Quite a number of inspectors were


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laid off and quite a lot of drivers and conductors
were dismissed. Two conductors went before the
Court. One individual never went in with money for
three days. They said that I laid them off and that
I locked them up. Now, the honourable member is
accusing me of firing somebody connected with the
Union's organisation and gave his reasons. He does
not say that the Board may have had good reasons
for dismissing the man. He does not say that there
may be something to the matter which the Board may
not want to reveal. The honourable member knows
that the report on this man was that he was not at
work when he was supposed to be working on the
Fontabelle route and when someone went in and saw
him drawing money the person said: "Look, you have
not worked this week, yet you are drawing money".
The honourable member also knows the dirty remarks
this man made on Phillips; yet he comes in here
today and searches for something under the belt,
something in the graveyard, and brings it in to say
against me. However, I am not as low as he thinks
I will not answer him in his own way in this House;
I will answer him on another occasion. When he
talks about being vindictive and spiteful. I am ask-
ing him to search his own mind. One of these days
the people will know them as they are.
7.30 p.m.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: Thank you! Mr. Chair-
man, I was very glad to hear him say he will not
answer here but will answer outside. I will show
you how vindictive I am. He cannot face this here
now, but he will get it in the report of the debate.
When the Opposition brought a motion of no confi-
dence in him, if I were a vindictive man or in his
boots, or spiteful, I could have used spite and voted
against him, but I told them I did not agree. That
was the action of a vindictive man! But I do not
worry with him because there is no challenge be-
tween the two of us. I have a task to perform and
we are not in conflict, we are not in competition;
we are not competing; so do not get worried about
my going to block your path. [A VOICE: You can-
not block my path!] I know I cannot block your
path because the one I am travelling would be very
difficult for you to travel, and you are not capable
of travelling in it. His revelation of Daniel coming
to judgment is that the Board interviewed him and
said they were going to dismiss these people. He said
he knew nothing about it and out of his very mouth
to-night he said the Board interviewed him and
said they were going to dismiss these people. More-
over. he knows the man in person from stealing
tyres from Robert Thom. When the Board brought
the man who stole tyres, he knew he did all these
things, but previously he said he knew nothing
about the people the Board dismissed. Let us analyse
the new Board. A man was employed by the Direc-
tor of Highways and Transport, Mr. Barron. When
this man was employed there, Mr. Barron asked the
Union to submit the names of persons to act in case
they had persons to deal with. This man's name
was submitted. He accused me of knowing the
man. I am not the first man tonight saying that this
man stole tyres from Robert Thorn. I did not know
him in person, but he said I am representing a man
who has been to gaol. I am not a lawyer and we
can only represent members of the Union. He went
further; he said this man talked with Mr. Phillips.
I was not present when the man had a conversation
with Mr. Phillips. I met the Chairman of the Board
but before I met him I met the Manager who said
he did not know the man, and this is where the
Minister is saying more now than the Manager said.
He said he had nothing against the man who was
dismissed and that he had made no report to the
Board against him. He was not told why he was
dismissed; he was given a letter of dismissal to hand


to the man. The first conversation I had with him
was when I met the Board, and they told me to come
back after a week and they would tell us then why
they dismissed the man. 1 went back the next week
and when they gave the reasons, we said the reasons
were not good enough and the matter was submitted
to the Labour Department to be discussed by them
and the President of the Labour Union. and up to
the time when I left the island in June. it was not
revealed that the reason why they dismissed the
man was because the man was teaching his boss' wife
to drive; but if he let the records come before his
Ministry he would have to come here and apologise
for the lies. The first time I knew the man was
when the Transport workers formed a group of the
Union. To show you the type of mind the Hon.
Minister possesses, in the matter brought before us
the reason given was that when he should have been
on the job he was teaching someone to drive. Do
you believe any employer would tolerate any em-
ployee teaching a lady to drive instead of being on
the job? Do you think we would defend a man
like that? The Hon. Minister knew before the man
was dismissed that he was a criminal and with re-
gard to what has come out of his mouth tonight,
would any reasonable judge or jury believe that
what he said tonight did not militate in the decision
taken against the man ? His own evidence shows that
what he said is a deliberate lie to what he previously
said when he remarked that he knew nothing of the
dismissals at the Transport Board, because tonight
he said the Board interviewed him and said they
were going to dismiss conductors and inspectors and
that this man's was one of the names brought to
'him. Imagine saying that the man's name was among
those brought to him by the Board and he knew he
was a criminal. If I knew and there was supporting
evidence against this man to prove that he was what
le was, he would not have been employed at all.
Imagine a man went on when the Transport System
took over, he was promoted and made inspector, was
president of the section with the Union and made a
representative to investigate cases. Can you see that
man being dismissed and you are afraid to tell him
why he was dismissed, but give as your reason that
he was driving about a lady instead of being on the
job? With me, as Secretary of the Union, I would
not have the slightest compunction about the matter,
and I would say "You are teaching somebody to
drive and I am getting in your way." That would
have been my attitude. I do not make any sport in
the Union. We are not going to keep any organisation
for people to go there and work like that. If the
Minister is accusing me of conniving with this man,
he should know this place a thousand times. When he
talks about my character I do not talk about his. I
worked in an organisation for thirteen years and my
character can be seen in that. There is nothing to be
afraid of you for and if my cohorts thought different-
ly of my character they would have got me running
out of this island. What he is saying is that I know
about the man, but he cannot bring evidence. What
he is now telling me about character is absolute
stupidity; I am a man of nuimpeachable character
and therefore I am capable of becoming Chairman of
Board you set up in Barbados. But what I am say-
ing is that there is no competition so far as the
ability of doing certain tasks is required, because I
am competent of doing certain tasks that the Hon.
Minister is not capable of doing.
7.40 p.m.
We are not dealing with the person's character;
would any of us be so crazy as to say anything about
a man's character in so far as performing his task
is concerned? When the honourable member spoke
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any red herring across the trail, because nobody
spoke about his character. The Hon. Minister's
action was the subject of a debate in this House;
I did not agree with what was said, and I did not
vote for "no confidence" in him. There could be
no question of jealousy between the two of us. Let
him get it clear that out of his mouth tonight, he
has made a statement in whidh he said that he knew
about the man's dismissal being brought to him;
they told him that the man was a criminal, and he
has said that this was one of the men who were dis-
missed. Because of his actions at the Board of
Enquiry, it was felt that the Minister had something
against this man: tonight the Hon. Minister has not
only given more grist to that mill, but he says that
the man is a criminal. Instead of going slowly on
a matter like this, he is justifying things like that;
there is therefore no doubt in anybody's mind that
he not only knew of this man's dismissal, but he
approved of the thing that was done, and the mem-
bers of the Board felt that the Minister would have
approved of any action which was taken.
I had left the Island when the case was pur-
sued. The Board never said that this man was
teaching his boss's wife to drive; tonight the Hon.
Minister says that he knew all of these things, and
they were never revealed. All I am telling this hon.
Committee is that when we meet outside the hon
ourable member will have it thicker than he has
had it tonight. When I get in front of him out-
side, he will get it; now he says that he knew
nothing about it, but he also says tonight that the
members of the Board came to him about this man's
dismissal. I say this: no such Board has any right
going to any Minister; if it is a Statutory Board,
then it has the right to dismiss and also to appoint
people. Why should the members of the Board go
to him as Minister to tell him about a group of in-
dividuals? How would the members of the new
Board know who were the people to be dismissed?
The Hon. Minister said that the new Board inter-
viewed these men.
Mr. Chairman, you have heard the Hon. Minis-
ter say that no private Concessionaire would employ
this man, but it has been drawn to my attention that
this man went over with one of the Concessionaires
It was stated to the Union that these men were taken
over lock, stock and barrel when the service was
taken over, and if the Hon. Minister knew that no
Concessionaire would employ this man, then there
was a prejudice against him. When the Hon. Minis-
ter says that he is taking this matter outside then be
is coming into my briar patch; there will not be any
Parliamentary matter to be dealt with there. I am
pleased to hear the Hon. Minister say that these dis
missals were put to him and that this man merited
dismissal; I am very sorry that the man did not say
that to the Union.
The question that Head XXXIVi stand part of
the Schedule was put and resolved in the affirma-
tive without division.
On the motion of Hon. Dr. H. G. H. ICUMMINS
seconded by Hon. M. E. COX, the Resolution for the
sum of $51,246 was passed.
Hon. Dr. H. 1G. H. CUMMINS: I beg to move,
Mr. Chairman, that you now report the passing of
Resolutions in Committee of Supply and the post
ponement of one.
Hon. M. E. COX: I beg to second that.
The motion was put and agreed to.
The CHAIRMAN reported and Mr. SPEAKER
resumed the Chair and reported accordingly.
On motions of Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS,
seconded by Hon. M. E. COX in each case, the Reso


lutions passed in Con~mwittee of Supply were read a
first and second time and agreed to.

ADJOURNMENT

Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS: Mr. Speaker,
I beg to move that this House do now adjourn for
three quarters of an hour.
Hon. M. E. COX: I beg to second.
The question that this House do now adjourn for
three quarters of an hour was put and resolved in
the affirmative without division, and Mr. SPEAKER
adjourned the House accordingly.
8.00 p.m.
On re-a,ssembling,


THREE WEEKS LEAVE FOR MR. LEWIS
Mr. TUDOR: Mr. Speaker, I rise on behalf of
the hon. junior member for the City requesting three
weeks leave for him as from next Tuesday, 18th
September.
There being no objection leave was granted the
hon. member.

NOTICE OF ADDRESS

Mr. TUDOR: Mr. Speaker, I rise to give notice
of my intention to move the passing of the following
Address to His Excellency the Governor:-
The House of Assembly
To
His Excellency The Governor

*The House has the honour to draw to Your
Excellency's attention the difficulty which disabled
persons meet in securing artificial limbs of the high-
est utility.
2. The House would further remind Your Excel-
lency that the cost of best quality artificial limbs is
such as to render it impossible for poor disabled per-
sons to acquire them.
3. Even in cases where a disabled person is able to
purchase his own artificial limbs the customs duty
levied inevitably raises its cost.
4. Accordingly, the House requests Your Excellen-
cy to submit proposals to the Legislature providing
for free distribution of highest utility artificial limbs
to poor disabled persons and the removal of customs
duty on similar articles imported by well-to-do
disabled persons.

THE CUSTOMS TARIFF NO. 7 BILL 1956

Mr. SPEAKER: The next Order of the Day stands
in the name of the Hon. Minister for Trade, Industry
and Labour: Second reading of a Bill to amend the
Customs Tariff Act, 1921.
Hon. R. G. MAPP: Mr. Speaker, this Bill seeks
to amend the Customs Tariff Act, 1921. The House
will remember that in August last year, the Legis-
lature passed a Bill having as its objects the exemp-
tion of certain raw materials and some finished
articles used in the manufacture of cloth, knitted
garments and shirts. Those articles were exempted
from the payment of duty in order to encourage the
shirt and garment industry in this Island. That
industry has been a growing industry, and in view of
what may come by way of criticisms from the other
side of the House, let me say that all the protection
which the industry asked for on that occasion was
given them. We gave it that encouragement then in
order for it to compete with similar industries estab-
lished in some other West Indian colonies. At that
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sizes and they employed a total of about 272 work-
ers.
Since we passed the Bill, the industry has made
further representations. Early this year they came to
my Ministry and stated that the situation had deteri-
orated somewhat. They stated that competition from
Hong Kong and similar industries in the neighbour-
ing colonies of Trinidad, British Guiana and Jamaica
had caused them to come again for further protec-
tion. I may say here that the Jamaica Government
went a bit further and actually was keeping out of
the Island imports of shirts of a certain value; and
this is the sort of protection that similar industries in
other Islands are receiving. This has enabled them to
step up production, and lessen their overhead costs
per article so as to afford them greater economic
strength to compete withl-imilar industries in other
West Indian Colonies and other markets.
9.00 p.m.
The result of this protection, Mr. Speaker, was
that while this protected industry in Jamaica, Trini-
dad and British Guiana could compete in Barbados
on more than equal terms with the local industry, the
local textile industry cannot compete with it in the
other islands with their raised tariffs. Their tariffs
were raised against our exports while our tariffs
were at a lower level, and they seized the opportunity
to step up the exports to this island. That was the
position represented to my Ministry. We investigated
the matter very thoroughly. We went into it from
every angle, compared tariffs in Jamaica, Trinidad
and British Guiana with the tariffs obtaining in
Barbados, and went into the figures of what they
paid in wages, the capital investment involved and
all other relevant data. I need hardly tell the Hors
that no Government can in one jump, or willy-nilly
and without serious consideration give protection of
this sort to an industry, because there are many very
far-reaching issues involved. We have to bear in
mind our trade relationships with other territories
and the implications as regards such international
agreements as GATT and the Canada-West Indies
Trade Agreement. I had discussions on this point
when I went to England recently with the Colonial
Office and also with Canadian Government Officials
and with the Ministries of Trade, Finance and Ex-
ternal Affairs on the effect of this measure on the
Canada-West Indies Trade Agreement. Trinidad
also had to have discussions with the Colonial Office
when she was considering raising tariffs on imported
shirts. I explained the situation fully to them and
we came to, an adequate agreement with the Canadian
Government agreeing to waive the particular clause
in the Canada-West Indies Trade Agreement. That,
Sir, in a nutshell is the position as regards the back-
ground of this Bill
At the time when we passed the Bill to encourage
the industry, as I have already said, there were
seven factories of a sizable nature employing these
workers; since then one factory had entirely closed
the Elite Shirt Factory. It employed at one time
over one hundred workers, then dropped to eighty,
then fifty and then closed some time this year. I my-
self saw the stock rooms and it is true to say they
were packed; they said they could not get rid of
over-stock and it was no use going on producing
any more shirts. Finally they were forced to shut
down completely.
Now, I think the House is fully aware of the
policy of this Party and of this Government. We
have been attacked on very many occasions in the past
by members of the Opposition on all sides for not
doing enough to encourage industry. Our reply has


been that we have to be very careful not to raise the
cost of living. We have to be very careful before we
do anything that would affect the cost of living aud.
send it even higher. We have pointed out, Mr. Speaker,
on previous occasions that we did not think we should
penalise 200,000 people in order to assist a handful
But the situation has changed. I do not think it could
truly be said that this industry is employing a handful
of persons. They have grown since we passed the Bill
tc encourage them. They were employing at the peak
production 272 workers, and their claim is that if
they were given suitable protection from overseas
competition from Hong Kong and other factories in
the other islands, they could employ as many as six
hundred workers. Let us say that that may be throw-
ing out a big sprat to catch the Government's whale;
nevertheless Mr. Speaker, the Government could
have no valid reason for refusing to consider the
claims of an industry for protection when faced
with two factors: (1) the growing unemployment
in this island and the serious unemployment figures
we are faced with and (2) the fact that other islands
are also encouraging similar industries by giving
them protection in various ways, the chief of which
is by raising tariffs. These are the two chief reasons
why we have come down with this Bill to-day.
because when we place one factor against the other
we find over-riding considerations which would
justify us in departing from our previous policy
of doing nothing that might increase the cost of
living; and the over-riding consideration was the
fact that in the face of what the other islands were
doing to encourage industrialisation, in the face of
1he unemployment situation in Barbados, we were
justified in departing from our former policy and
adopting a likewise policy of protection. The burden
of my contention to-night, and even before the
Colonial Office, in the circumstances, was that we
were forced to adopt this protective measure in order
to compete and keep in line with other territories in
the Caribbean.
I understand that certain members of the
Opposition on certain political platforms are saying
in one breath that the Government is doing nothing
to help the unemployed, and in another breath
that we are sending up the cost of shirts. Mr.
Speaker, it must be faced that there is no country
in the world which set out on industrialisation of
some sort which does not have to adopt some method
of raising tariffs in order to protect new industry.
Mr. SPEAKER: I am not going to permit
any honourable member while he is addressing the
Chair to be interrupted. Honourable members must
not make asides which can be heard.
9.10 p.m.
Hon. R. G. MAPP: In this Bill we are not
going as far even ,as Jamaica. It will amaze the
House to know that Jamaica last year not only
increased the tariffs but also put a huge surtax on
imported shirts. I do not remember the exact figure,
but it was a drastic figure. They suspended the
importation of shirts costing less than $60 per
dozen.
No shirts can come in where the first cost is
below $60 per dozen. We all see what steps Jamaica
has taken in this matter. It is not proposed in our
case to increase or change the duties on the lowest
grade of shirts. When we see what steps are being
taken elsewhere, we have to ask ourselves whether
we can afford to let this industry die, or whether
we can afford not to protect it against competition
from the neighboring Islands when they have pro-
tection against our shirts.
In so far as increased competition from shirts
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thoroughly into the figures, and we found that the
claims that this competition had been increased
very greatly.in the past year were .quite justifiable
In 1955, we imported 15,848 dozen shirts from all
sources; that compares with 9,657 dozen in 1954;
so that the numbers imported in 1955 are those
imported in the previous year. Of these 15,848 dozen
shirts, 12,029 came from Hong Kong as compared
with 7,548 in the previous year. Therefore, we can
see the vast increase over the previous year in com-
petition in shirts from Hong Kong. We also compared
the types and values of these shirts, and it is on
those lines that we are asking the House to allow
increased Tariffs where the competition is greatest.
It is no use manufacturers asking the Government
to protect them in respect of all types of manu-
factured articles. Rather than give an overall pro-
tection in till grades, we have been very careful to
go thoroughly into the figures. This Bill might have
come down about a month and a half ago, but we
were going thoroughly into the wages which are
being paid, and we are protecting this industry only
in those grades where they are faced with very keen
competition from shirts which are coming from
abroad.
There is just one other thing which I would
like to say, and it is this; this Government does
not agree with any policy of protective Tariffs to
an industry which will benefit the industry con-
cerned and the producers concerned, without at the
same time taking measures to see that these benefits:
are passed on to the consumers as well as to the
workers in the Industry. I am very well aware of
the low wages which are being paid by some of'
these concerns; where the workers are not protected;
by Trade Unions, I will see to it that the machinery
of Government where Wages Councils are concerned,
set in motion on behalf of these workers. If these
workers are not in Trade Unions, we will set these
Wages Councils in motion in respect of the workers
in the industry.
In so far as the consumers are concerned, we
will protect them from any undue increases which
those industries may consider necessary because of
the Tariff wall.
9.20 p.m.
As the House will see from the Objects and
.Reasons, the Bill seeks to retain the present tariff
rate of 10% (British Preference) and 20% (Gen-
eral) on all shirts of a C.I.F. value not exceeding
$12.00 per dozen and seeks to increase the existing
tariff rates of 10' and 20% to 17% (British I'Pe'-
erence) and 27% (General) respectively and in
addition imposes a surcharge of $5.00 per dozen.
The Bill also seeks to increase the rates of duty on
vests and pants from 10% (British Preference) and
20% (General) to 15% and 25% respectively.
The House will remember that the Bill which J
formerly laid on the table of the House made pro-
vision for different rates, but having found out that
the existing margin of preferences under GATT
must remain, we had to revise those rates. There-
fore we came down with the present Bill.
This Bill is the natural inevitable consequence
of the decision of the Legislature of this island and
of the Government to encourage the establishment
and growth of textile factories in this island. [A
VO(CE: This is nothing to do with textiles.] This
follows from the Bill which we passed last year
giving such encouragement. If we are agreed that
the situation in this island as regards unemploy-
ment is such that we should encourage industriali-
sation, well then, it is not necessary for me to per-
suade the House much longer to agree to a Bill of
this nature. I can assure honourable members that


we will impose all the safeguards of which I have
spoken and give every protection to workers and
consumers of this island. I therefore beg to move
that this Bill be, now read :a second time.
Hon. C. E. TALMA: I beg to second that.
MLr. F. L. WALCOTT: Mr. Speaker, in general,
everybody will agree with protecting any industry.
There is also another thing on which we would all
agree and that is that the Minister who introduced
this Bill does not understand the difference between
what is textile and what is the finished product. All
that we have to say is that the Hon. Minister of
Trade has not been briefed even in the presentation
of this Bill.
There is one thing about which the Hon. Minis-
ter made a statement and to which I wish to direct
your attention. It is to the effect that it is the in-
tention of the Government to give protection not
only to the employers and consumers but- also to
the workers, and that where trade unions are not
in existence, it is his intention to set up Wages
Councils. Sir, that shows how modern he is. It is
not a question of his setting up Wages Councils;
it is a question of his failure to recommend Trade
Unions. What is he telling us? He is telling us
that no matter how you treat your Union, whether
you recognize the Union or not, he is going to set
up Wages Councils. That means that you are
bringing in independent people and that you are not
telling an industry that it must recognize Trade
Unions.
Sir, the reason why he has said that is because
he has written in the Beacon that the General
Secretary of the Barbados Workers' Union has made
the situation worse as regards the Advocate strike.
Hon. R. G. MIAPP: Sir, I object to those
remarks.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: I am not going to with-
draw them, not if the rope comes.
Mr. SPEAKER: The honourable junior mem-
ber for St. Peter is addressing the House on a par-
ticular measure. I will ask him not to deflect from
that, or use remarks to excite honourable members,
especially the Hon. Minister who is in charge of
the Bill. There is no need to inform the House of
any of the Minister's action. I think the honour-
able member can represent himself without having
recourse to such suggestions which will only engen-
der heat and disrupt the good decorum which should
be retained in this Chamber.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: MVr. Speaker-
Hon. R. G. MAPP: Mr. Speaker, I rise on a
point of Order. If the honourable member wants
to indulge in personal remarks, that is a matter for
him. I am not going to bandy words with him; I
will only ask him to quote me correctly. I do not
know of any employer who has refused to recognize
the Trade Union. All that I have said is that if
workers do not belong to a Trade Union, we will
encourage them in the normal course of events to
join a Trade Union and if they cannot get their
rights that way we will set up other machinery for
getting those rights. Those are the exact words I said.
Mfr. F. L. TWALCOTT: I am trying to avoid
doing anything which would meet with Your
Honour's displeasure. It is very difficult for one
to contain himself in a Parliamentary Assembly
when one hears remarks by someone which are con-
trary to what one is pursuing. The Hon. Minister
of Trade is giving the impression that he, as Minis-
ter of Trade is going to heln the workers, but I as
General Secretary of the Workers' Trade Union
knows that he is pursuing a policy not only to de-
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the Trade Union spirit, he is doing things to upset
it.
Mxr. SPEAKER: The honourable member is now
getting to something that wll disrupt the good
decorum of the House.
9.30 p.m.
Mr. F. L. WA.LCOTT: It is difficult, Mr.
Speaker, for one to contain himself when one knows
one is speaking the truth and is not lying on people.
However, this is the sort of infliction which we have
in this island. We do not want any dictatorship
in the Union. It is not the Minister's duty to en-
courage any workers to join Trade Unions; it is his
duty to see that the protection which he gives -is one
which employers will have to recognize. What the
Minister said just now is illogical.
Now you say here these textile people must be
encouraged to join the Union, otherwise you are
going to set up a Wages Council. Imagine a Minister
of Labour (except the one in Trinidad where there
is a Conservative Government) saying he is going
to set up a Wages Council. It is not like in Jamaica
where Mr. Glasspole has done so and the Minister
of Trade Mr. Wills Isaac has demanded that if the
employers do not recognize the Union, he will take
away the protection the Government is giving to
employers. [A VOICE: He is a real idiot!] lHe
says I am a real idiot and the people in Barbados
who do not know he is an idot have not been born
yet! [A VOICE: He is a boss idiot!]
Mr.. SPEAKER: That is the same sort of be-
haviour that I warned the hon. member not to indulge
in. I warn the Hon. Minister that if he makes such
asides as can be heard and intended to provoke the
speaker, he will also earn my displeasure. I am
asking the hon. member who has just sat to make as
little of what asides he hears as possible.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: It is not my intention,
but if another member is going to tell me in a sottc
vooe remark, Mr. Speaker, that you are an idiot,
you must reply to him. What I was at pains trn
point out, Mr. Speaker, was that the remarks that
have been made by the Minister in saying he is pre-
pared to give protection to these workers in relation
with the Trade Union rights is not logical. I drew
to his attention something that had arisen up in
Jamaica; the Jamaica Government told people they
were giving them protection, but in instances where
they were not prepared to recognize the Union it iet
them know what legislation it would pass. The
Minister is now telling us that where the workers are
not organised, they will encourage them to organise
or set up a Wage Council. It is his function to
perform the duties of a 'Government, but when you
look at the substance of the Bill, I believe any hon.
member would agree in a broad way to give encour-
agement to the industry. The one person talking
about cost of living and giving encouragement to
industry is the Minister of Labour, because his idea
about the cost of living is causing us to have thi:;
bus affair in our hands; and if this cost of living is
something in the air, why do we not try to relieve it
to some effect? What is this cost of living idea he is
talking about? If you are going to give protection
through this Bill, you do not talk about cost of livmg,
because you set about to protect them on the basis
of creating within your own territory sufficient capi
tal investment that would circulate within the comr
munity as a means of promoting greater produc-
tivity, and at the same time creating better spending
power. The idea of protection is now based on how
cheap it is, but the price rises by a margin above what


it was before, and all the money remains in the
territory and creates better spending power. The
whole idea of tariffs was based on that; you increase
your tariffs from the point of view of raising revenue
for the purpose of creating something to spend from.
We agree this would increase the cost of living, but
only a dunder-head would say less. Read the first
paragraph: This Bill seeks to amend the Customs
Tariff Act, 1921, so as to enable the shirt and gar-
ment manufacturing industry of the Island to face
the Bill seeks to ensure that the protection it affords
the industry will not result in increased prices of the
severe competition from abroad. At the same time
cheapest imported shirts."

Now, as you said, you are facing competition
from abroad, which means the people from abroad
can send shirts into Barbados cheaper than you can
manufacture them here. That is what it is, and
therefore in order for the employment force to 'e
increased-and that is why they did it in Jamaica;
Jamaica has seven times the population of Barba-
dos. and if he knows anything about the shirt or
garment industry, if it is a fashionable industry-
because there is a difference between fashionable
and ordinary industry-there are some industries
where fashion does not matter, like where a man
buys tweeds, that is not fashionable; but shirts for
men become fashionable when you change styles. .t
is similar to the case of a manufacturer who finds
himself with dozens of tunic shirts into which )ou
have to put Gum Arabic to make it resemble some
stiffness! These shirts are not as saleable as the
"Arrow" Shirts or the "Elite" Shirts that are
easier to wear. The old tunic shirt means you have
to look for links, and the average man does not want
to buy links. Garments with fashionable colours
matter and you have to pay attention to that type
of trade in relation to the community, because the
community can make you change. In Jamaica tha
population, is 11/4 million, seven times that of Bar
bados; and Po they would have a local market like
the U.S.A. I have contended I before the shirt indus-
try started that what the Minister should start
about doing is to tell the shirt maufacturers-and
this is a matter of common sense-that if there are
eight factories in Barbados, he cannot give all
eight factories protection because there is no room
for all of them and there is a limited amount which
the male public can use. If there are eight compet-
ing with each other, they are fooling themselves that
you are reducing something to a level at which they
can compete. Government must first of all decide
they are offering protection or throwing money down
the drain. In Great Britain it does riot matter.
but in Barbados it must matter, because capital is
not available and people cannot throw away capital
thinking they can make money. Now I said the
hon. member brought Jamaica as an analogy; but
Jamaica has 1/4 million people, seven times the pop-
ulation of Barbados; so do not take Jamaica and say
that because they have done it you can too. Now it
is true that the Minister has absolutely no knowledge
about these things because when you look at thil
process we do not mind protecting them.

"This Bill seeks accordingly to retain the pres
ent tariff rates of 10% (British Preference) and
20% (General) on all shirts of a c.i.f value not
exceeding $12.00 per doz. but on all shirts exceeding
c.i.f. value of $12.00 per dozen the Bill seeks to
increase the existing tariff rates of 10% and 20%
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respectively and in addition imposes a surcharge of
$5.00 per dozen."
9.40 p.m.
"- Let me work this out for him. If a man im-
ports shirts at $12 per dozen c.i.f., even if you add
another 50% for landing charges, whenever you are
finished, and you are adding 1/3 as a profit, you
1:ave a shirt for 7-. I ask what working man can
get a shirt for 7/-4 When you talk about shirts at,
$12 per dozen c.i.f., you are talking about shirts
which somebody can sell for 7/- each. I challenge
hde Hon. Minister to go and ask them to, show him
a shirt which a man is getting for 7/-. A khaki
shirt cost over $3.00! The average working man
ciuld not wear a shirt at a funeral, because he is
not going to get a white shirt for 7/-. Do not tell
us that by this Bill, you are not increasing the cost
of living to people, and make them believe that the
shirt of the working man will remain at the same
price. It means that the price of the average shirt
which a man can buy as a dress shirt would be in-
creased. When.you give trade protection you do not
increase the cost living; sometimes, this protection
means an increase, because you want the money to
remain inside. As soon as you set up a Tariff wall,
.~ou increase the price of the goods to the consumer,
because the importer is not going to pay' the in-
cr eased cost.
If we import so many dozen shirts, and that is
equivalent to "X" thousand dollars, per annum, it
would be better for this Colony to have that amount
of money circulated here, rather than letting it go
overseas. The setting up of industries provides
more jobs, because it makes for greater spending
power. I should like to say that a shirt is not the
only item which the consumer uses, and we have to
consider what it means to the community when the
money remains in the community. It means that you
increase the spending power of the community, and
the girl who is working in the Shirt Factory; you
a.so increase the spending power of the mauby seller
since you increase the spending power of the com-.
munity.
They use this phrase about not increasing the.
cost of living, but on the occasions when they put up
a Tariff wall, did they not keep out cheap goods
and make the community pay a little more? The
Philippines carried on trade with the United States
of America, and the President of the United States
said that they would remove any Tariff barrier
which existed between the United States of America
and the Philippines, because they realized that they
had a certain protection, and there were certain in-
dustries which they were building up with the Philip-
pines which could not compete with the United
States. Here the Hon. Minister wants to give the idea
that they are not going to increase the cost of the
imported shirts to people: but what he has not said,
is that he has to keep out these shirts-
Hon. R. .G. MAPP: I have not said that we
are going to increase the price of shirts to people.
There is no increase of duty on the cheapest grade
of shirts; I said that our policy is not to increase the
cost of living.
Mr. F. L.WALCOTT: This is what is stated in
O'Object and Reasons" of this Bill:--
"This Bill seeks to amend the Customs Tariff
Act, 1921. so as to enable the shirt and garment
manufacturing industry of the Island to face severe
competition from abroad. At the same time the Bill
seeks to ensure that the protection it affords the in-
dustry will not result in increased prices of the
cheapestt imported shirts."
That gives the impression that you are going
t- get the cheapest shirts. The Minister does not


Know anything about these shirts because he does
not go into any store. What are the shirts which
are being sold at 7/-, which you are preventing from
coming here? We are not talking about shirts for
children! When the Hon. Minister leaves here, he
should go into his constituency and ask any agricul-
tural worker when was the last occasion upon
which he bought a shirt for 7-. What is in
tended here is that the local shirt manufacturers
should have the opportunity of competing with the
manufacturers in Hong Kong. I protest against
cheap labour in any part of the world; Hong Kong
and Japan do not pay any proper wages to workers,
and I do not subscribe to this idea of not paying
proper wages to workers.
9.50 p..m.
I prefer to pay a sixpence or a shilling more for
a shirt in order to get a better standard of living
for the people than to get a cheaper for myself. The
I.L.O. has declared that property anywhere is a chal-
lenge to prosperity anywhere. I am not in favour of
promoting the low standard of living in Hong Kong,
the Middle East and all those places, nor do I sub-
scribe to the reason which the Honourable Minister
oi Trade gave and the innuendo contained in
the statement that this Bill seeks to retain the cheap-
er shirts in Barbados. Why I say that is because I
have practical experience enough to know that this
is no rete Lion oi law-pricedanirts. Shirts below the
value of $1i.uu per aozen do not come in the island
except tor boys wear; therefore, it is those shirts
above $1.0UU per dozen upon which you are going to
increased the tariff. According, to ine UDjecL aud
seasons of the Bill:
This Bill seeks to retain the present tariff rates
of 10% (British Preference) and 20% (General) or
all shirts of a C.I.F. value not exceeding $12.00 per
dozen, but on all shirts exceeding a ,C.I.F. value of
$12.00 per dozen the Bill seeks to increase the ex-
isting tariff rates of 10% and 20% to 17% (British
Preference) and 20% (General) respectively and in
addition imposes a surcharge of $5.00 per dozen.
According to that you are going to increase the
tariff on all shirts above the cost of $1.68 each, and
as you know, there is no $1.68 shirts selling in Bar-
bados. As that is so, he should out out that because
there is no question of his being able to retain a
cheap shirt in Barbados. Where can you get shirts
tat $12.00 per dozen unless you are buying them for
a kid? On all of the imported dhirts the ad valorem
duty goes up from the percentage of 10% to 17%
(British Preference) and from 20% to 27% (Gen-
eral). In addition you are imposing a surcharge
of $5 per dozen. Formerly, the surcharge was 10%.
'hat is the protection which you are going to give to
the local shirt manufacturers.
Now, this is something which I have to say in
regard to the local shirr manufacturers. The Hon
Minister must tell the local shirt manufacturers not
lay low wages. If anyone wants to get a quota-
tion of wages which are paid in the garment indus-
try, I can show them the international rates. I am
saying that people in the garment industry should
slop paying girls low wages and pay wages by which
these girls can eke out a proper existence, We must
encourage local industry on the basis that the people
who invest their capital must be prepared as the firsi
essential to make good wages the first charge on their
business. It is a. fact that girls working in a gar-
ment factory over here will have to do a lot of work
in order to earn $12 or $15 per week which is the
regular figure that they should earn. if they are
working under ordinary conditions. Whpwj young ar-
building up a trade which cannot pay proper wag.es.


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something is wrong with your economic organisation.
1 can prove to you that $12 per week is not anything
to give a girl for working a week in such industries.
I am pointing out that to show you that your eco
nomic )rganisation must bring this industry ,into
closer relation .to payingg a living wage. As soon as
that industry cannot provide a living wage for its
workers, then you must consider if the industry is
worthwhile to the community, or if the sum total of
all that you are doing is to encourage the .investor
to make a few more dollars on his investment. That
is why I say if you are going to encourage, industries,
(and they must be so encouraged) they should not be
encouraged at the exploitation of the workers.
I hope that the Hon. Minister of Trade and
Industry will not give the impression that he is selling
any idea to the House that he is allowing cheap
shirts still to come into the Island. The cheapest
shirt which one can get in Barbados is one for
$2.00. The purpose of the Objects and Reasons to
a Bill shouldd be to set out factually the situation
Do: not give the idea that you are leaving the miiarket
open for the cheapest shirts to come in duty free.'
However, Sir, 1 will give this Bill my blessing.
Shirt manufacturers in Barbados unfortunately
must have missed the bus. If you go to the United
States or to Great Britain, you will find that cotton
is one of the cheapest products of the world; and
because of that it is one of the problems which the
world is facing to. get rid of the surplus cotton
products in the world. It is a fact that they have
cotton articles in such vast numbers in stores auid
other places that they are willing to sell them cheap-
ly. Therefore, when you have a manufacturer try-
ing to find his way in a small community like Bar
bedos, he will find it difficult to penetrate into already
existing markets.. That is one of the problems the
local manufacturer will have to face because he
really, cannot: sell shirts so easily to British Guiana,
Trinidad or Jamaica, when he has to sell with freight
charges added. He cannot penetrate into the U..A.
market at all. In the U.S.A. a man can buy a shirt
for $1.50 or $2.00. An "Arrow" shirt which is a
very nice shirt costs $3.50. Because of that, you
can well see that shirt manufacturers in these parts
can only look to the Caribbean and Venezuela for
sales of their product.
10.00 p.m.
I am in favour of industrial development, but
this is 'not industrial development as such. These
are more or less trading matters: these are not tra'i-
ing industries; they do not manufactu. the cloth,
and are at the mercies of the trade thai exists out-
side; and I do feel that it is a trade in which som-:
encouragement should be given at some time. ID
not let us believe that by passing this Bill we are
going to make it easier for them to trade as they
would like to trade. I am of the opinion that in
process of time these shirt manufacturers are going
to come back and say there are other difficulties.
If landing them at a, C.I.F. price give them troubc,
vhat do you think would be the position if we are
n,'t giving them the C.I.F. price, and I ask their'
how can thy put their business in order and at the
same time pay better wages? The women they
employ they employ women in the majority
and not men receive very low wages, 1 under-
tand, because of fierce competition from overseas.
As a Trade Unionist, I cannot agree to low wages
because very soon they will be saying that the
said workers carry away the cloth or cotton. The
Mlinistcr must refrain as much as he can from h;s
pet phrase about Wages Councils in cases where


the Trade Union exists. The Barbados Workers
Union is not a derelict organisati1b,' you should
leave those phrases for places like St. Vinceit and
St. Lucia; but in Barbados where the Trade Uioun
is a militant organisation, no Minister of Labour
should talk about Wages Councils as in unorgan-
isable trades which are very difficult to hold. Thern
are some in the United Kingdom and tQday you
talk about Trade Union power and encouraging
people to join the Union, but the Trade Union is
ir:ese girls can eke out a proper existence. We must
buildings; the Beacon Printery Building belong
to the Barbados Workers Union; We have money;
the organisation has money. [A VOICE: Hear,
hear!] No "hear, hear!" you drew a salary for ten
ya- !l, .
Mr. SPEAKER: The hon. member has gone
off the subject.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: We do not need en-
couragqeent from you. If you come to the Anuuai
Conference you will know if we need any encour-
agement, The Trade Union does not. need Govern
ment to, encourage it Any Trade Union that wants
Government to encourage and tell it how it is to be
run must become the tool of Government.
r. r. SPEAKER: The hon. member for tlw
:Cty is making asides so loudly that they havt
Icached me.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: So Mr. Speaker, i
would say in so far as this Bill is concerned, auy
pcrson who wants to see the internal developmenut
of his own community would welcome it, but not
on the basis that it will cheapen any cost of living,
outon the basis that you want to develop the sugar
industry, you must export it cheaper than you
buy it in Barbados. Some countries do that; they
export things at a cheaper rate because it helps.
We will have to pay more money for a shirt, but
on the basis that the internal economy will be im-
proved. The reason why employers in this island
are not giving as much encouragement to the Union
as they should is because some of the members of
the Government are making pronouncements that
the organisation is not a good one. If you are going
to say something here about the Trade Union re
presentation and another time you are going to do
everything to criticise the employers, we cannot
afford to do that. Sufficient unto the day is the evil
tneretof. If they debate that I will be sorry to see
what will be the industrial relations in this island.
Mr. CRAWFORD: Mr. Speaker, it would, no
doubt, be a; most entertaining affair to have projected
speeches to-night on the principle of protecting
the textile industry, I imagine, Sir, that the speech-
es pro and con could be' very different, but at this
late hour when most of us are anxious to get away,
I merely rise in order to present a few background
remarks in connection with this matter before the
House. Listening to the Minister pontificating with
ponderous tones, one would have thought that th:,
Government had demonstrated at the proper time
its interest in the matter of protecting workers in
Toc(;l industries, and simultaneously had taken steps
to promote the industrial development of the coun-
try. Now, the history of this Bill before the House
and legislation to assist the textile and shirt indus-
try to which the Minister of Trade draw attention
is that only when the industries were faced with
virtual extinction did the Government move to
offer protection. The Minister referred to the fact
that some time during last year they passed legis-
lation to give a certain amount of assistance to these
industries, by allowing, them to bring in certain
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when they had moved belatedly to do that, some of
the existmg factories were going to close down,
and the big new shirt factory in Bay Street had
refused to open. It had a waiting list of nearly one
hundred waiting for work, and refused to o (-it
its doors and provide work for the people until
tt'Cy got the concessions which other West Indian
islands were given, nor did he add that Barbados
had become the dumping ground for similAr articles
manufactured in other colonies which had been
giver protection of this sort, and he has also failed
to tell the House now that in order for Government
to consider it necessary to bring his Bill before the
House, almost half the shirt factories in the island
had closed do n and the textile plant which one time
employed three hundred was down to a staff oi
fifty.
10.10 p.m.
In other words, while he and the Government
were moving in the matter, while the Ministers were
continuing their sleek existence on their big fat
salaries, the people whom this measure will protect
ty providing work for them, were walking about
hungry and unemployed, and the Government was
lot doing anything about it. In the case of the
biggest Shirt Factory in the Island, the doors were
closed;, every worker was sent. home to idle, and
Inen the IGovernment decided that it should consider
doing what Jamaica, British Guiana and Trinidad
were doing. We were the dumping ground for
similar articles imported from those Countries; a
large amount of textiles were imported from British
Guiana, Jamaica and Trinidad. When those Islands
moved to protect their own industries, not one single
article left this Island for those countries but an
appreciable portion of what they manufactured came
here.
The Minister of Trade has the unpardonable
effrontery to refer to what the Minister of Trade in
Jamaica has done and has called him his counter-
part. There is this comparison between the two of
them; one is an English thoroughbred racehorse and
the other is an English donkey. [Laughter]. The
Jamaica Minister of Trade has taken the most active
steps to develop this industry in Jamaica; as a matter
of fact, for the first six months this year, the Jamai-
ca export industry has gone up to $12 million which
is above the figure for the whole of last year. When
Jamaica took steps to impose its protective tariffs
there was only one textile plant there; today, there
are thirty which are working at maximum capacity.
and they are employing the maximum number of
people, There are thirty factories working at full
capacity today as against three, when these steps
were taken to protect them. But here in Barba-
dos, one-half of the factories had to be closed down
before the Government would consider merely copy-
ing what Jamaica, Trinidad and British Guiana
have done.
There has been a drastic diminution of labour
employed in the Shirt Industry and the Textile Tn-
dustry because these local industries had to compete
with cheaper goods coming from Hong Kong.
Barbados is merely a small back-water of the world.
and the organisation for protection has been so well
threshed out, that it should not have taken the
Minister of Trade in Barbados the time which he
has taken, or which he pretended to have taken, to
decide whether, he would do what every other ad-
vanced country has done in respect of its economic
progress. The United States of America, even
country in Europe, Great Britain,-everyone of them
has only been able to advance industrially behind
the walls of tariff protection. While it may be true


'hat a shirt from Hong Kong could be sold in Bar-
oados without this protection for 60c. or 70c. cheaper
than the locally manufactured shirt, there are two
factors which have to be considered. Ons is tLat
the quality of the shirt, from Hong Kong is inferior,
although the original piece may be somewhat cheaper
better to find work for a person to do, and let him
pay a little more for his shirt. As a matter of
fact, if the shirt industry in Barbados had been
given protection by the Government at the time
when the Trinidad, Jamaica and British Guiana
shirt industries were given protection, this industry
would have been employing no fewer than 1,000
people. You will find that within a year or two from
now, now that this industry has been given some sort
of protection, a number of new industries will be
opened in the island. Some of them which have
been closed down, will start again, and the number
of 800 odd people which the shirt manufacturers
envisage will be employed normally, wifl be dis-
covered to be a very conservative estimate.
10.20 p.m.
One expects that the normal'channel of compe-
tition will operate so as to ensure that locally pro-
duced shirts are made available to people at the
lowest economic prices: because in Barbados, as in
other parts of the world, the struggle for economic
existence is so great, and competition so keen, that
if two or three big manufacturers endeavour to pro-
duce articles making normal high profits, you are
bound to have a smaller independent man coming in
and underselling them and getting a fair share of
the market; so that we can rest assured that the
normal course of competition will operate to keep
the price of shirts manufactured locally at a reason-
able level.
As the hon. junior member for St. Peter has
said, the organisation representing the workers anti
sipates 'similarly that you ensure that the workers
involved get the maximum wages which the indus-
try can afford to pay. It is not good enough for the
Barbados Minister of Trade or the Government of
Barbados to follow slowly behind Jamaica, Trinidad
and British Guiana in matters of this sort. If they
look around their constituencies and see what is
happening, they will see that Barbados is merely
a dumping ground for articles manufactured else-
where in the British Caribbean. They will also have
noted that the Jamaica Government is not prepared
to commit that country to a West Indian Customs
Union, not even when Federation is established; the
reason being that Jamaica under its present leader-
ship is determined to be the most industrial country
in the area and is not prepared to surrender that
position under any consideration whatsoever, and,
furthermore, is not even prepared to support the
Customs Union in the West Indies until such time
as Jamaica has reached the goal which she set her-
self in industrial development. By that time her
industries will be so well established that there can
be no fair competition from any new industries es-
tablished in the other islands. Then. Customs Union
or no Customs Union, Jamaica will be the worksTop
of the Federation; work will be available for her
people in Jamaica and we will be the poor people
of the Federation. It suits Jamaica and Trinidad
well in their race for maximum industrialisation to
have a rGovernment in Barbados and a Minister of
Trade like the one which we have. There, is no part
of the British Caribbean. anywhere in the other
Islands. that industries similar to those which we
are eonsiderinc" want to he estrhliishel and hba to
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for the 'Government to begin to give them the phe-
liminary concession needed to put the industry on
an economic footing. Both in the matter of raw mate-
rials being brought in duty-free and in the manner
of erecting additional tariff barriers against a simi
larly produced article from outside, the Barbados
Government has lagged so far behind and moved so
slowly in comparison with what our neighbours
have done that it seems to be the case of assistance
being given too little and too late.
It is, Mr. Speaker, a matter of the deepest regret
that at this time of the development of industries in
the West Indies, when all the other colonies are so
firmly established on the road to advancement, we
should have in control of the colony's economic ad-
vancement a Minister of Trade who is an individual
so obviously a mistake in his position that the posi-
tion should be rectified at the earliest possible date
He has no vision, no policy, no enlightened concep-
tion of what is needed and not even the ability to
copy what the other islands are doing until many
years after they have done it. If it were to be ar-
gued that in these matters,-the concession to indus-
tries and to taxation, or duty free concessions, or
protected tariffs-the Barbados Government lagged
behind because the principle was wrong and when
they took other steps they produced the same results,
there may be some excuse for the laxity and delay;
but when fully two or three years behind they follow
on without any change, then there can be no excuse.
If we had a Bill before us which would provide pro-
tection to the locally established textile and shirt in-
dustry other than in the manner proposed in this
Bill, well, then, there may have been excuse if
people employed in these industries had to go home
unemployed and starving for weeks; but when in
September, 1956, this G'overment takes steps in the
same manner as Trinidad and Jamaica did some
months before-in some cases years before, whicn
is the only logical step to take to protect industries
--well then, Mr. Speaker, all we can say is that there
is no greater curse which could have fallen on Tme
country than to be inflicted at this period in West
Indian history with Ministers of the Government
like those which we have.
:'0.30 p.m.
Mr. ALLDER: We all have our various eco
nomic theories. Some theories are that a tariff in-
troduced in one country might benefit the population
and in another it might not benefit the population
so much. The arguments which I have heard put
up by various members and the arguments which 1
have heard put up by certain sections of the public
over the past few weeks have not convinced me that
an amendment to the Customs Tariff Act is definitely
in the interest of the public. It is purely an in-
vestor's amendment. It might be good, Mr. Speaker,
for Jamaica which has a textile factory which pro-
duces raw materials and then turn them into piece
goods and then the finished garment. I do not known
:hat we have a textile factory here. That .suits.
Jamaica and it also suits Trinidad 1 because Trinidad
has a textile factory and a garment factory. It ir
true that if Banbados had got ahead in industrialis-
-ia itself simultaneously with Jamaica and/or Trini-
idad. we might have been able to introduce a Oustoms
Tariff to protect the local product from outside im
portation. It is clearly seen in the West Tndies thal
since we were not able to industrialist this island
that we were left to be merely consumers of these
West Indian colonies. A few years ago when fed-
eration was first talked abont, I felt that it would
have been a good idea that Barbados, because of its


limited land resources and the adaptability of its
people, should have been made the Hong Kong of
Ine West Indies in respect of industrialisation. That
has by-passed us; the others have attracted the in-
dustries to their colonies and we are left merely as
consumers. Well, since we are left in this predica-
ment, what is the best thing to do? We have a
large population here of which about sixty per cent
are unemployed: only 40% of this population are
employed permanently and some of a very seasonable
nature, but all the people in the colony have to pur-
chase the products of these shirt factories and tex-
tile factories, as the member for St. Philip has salJ.
Both the employed and the unemployed have got to
purchase by some means or other the items produced
by these factories, but while it is true Lmat
all of them do not have the employment
It therefore brings us to this point: it is very
requisite for us to assist in creating a monopoly
for a firm which already has monopolies in the other
parts of the West Indies, a firm which has succeeded
in using its things in Trinidad? They have got a
Tariff Act there against the importation of shirts
whether they come from Hong Kong, Japan, China,
or Barbados, and that means whatever we produce
in this island is not going to Trinidad or Jamaica
or to those places which have put up tariffs already.
While it would help the industrialisation and the
investors in accumulating wealth overnight, thai
method reduces the spending power of the public.
The Elite Shirt Factory is a highly influential con-
cern in Trinidad and it seems to be becoming the
West Indian octopus in industry. They have sue-
ceeded in Trinidad and, I believe if they have not
gone to British Guiana they will soon be there, and
will make the rounds with the argument that indus-
trialisation means employment for more. It sounds
,ice and it is a good thing if you succeed with it.
In a big industry like the cement industry and the
oil industry and things of that sort, if you can
get them to come to this island where you know
that thousands and not hundreds of people can be
employed, yes; let the same but not a little shirt
factory that wants monopoly of this market. As a
result they are bringing pressure to bear on those
concerned so as to get an amendment to the Customs
Tariff Act which would drive trade into their hands
at the expense of the public. We have a lot of un-
ployed people about who would be glad to buy a
75c. shirt; there are many big men we see around the
streets daily wearing $1, five shillings and $2 shirts
A lot of able-bodied men have to depend on buying
them because they cannot do better; but you are
going to make it prohibitive for them to continue
to buy cheap shirts partly under the disguise of
providing a couple of jobs for a dozen people and the
evil is not that they cannot sell their goods. I am
told that with the modern machinery which they
have, one machine can turn out dozens of shirts per
day-a machine which with one cut cuts out dozens.
They have over produced by the modern methods of
making shirts, and like every industry, if you over
produce beyond the capacity of the consumers, you
have to close down for a period; and besides that,
Rir, their method of marketing the goods has also
retarded their business, because what happens? If
I had a couple of dollars and wanted to be a shirt pf'd-
dler, I could not go to that country myself and get
them to sell me one of two dozen shirts so that,
could walk around and sell them: they would have to
sell to a firm like Messrs. A. S. Bryden all of those
shirts, and then somebody bigger .than myself would
have to go to Bryden and buy up some; then I
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a dozen at a considerably high price before I could get
them for sale. That is what would happen.
10.45 p.m.
You cannot give concessions to industries un-
less they are willing to play the game; they cannot
eat their cake and want it too. They do not sell
small people goods, and of course, the big firms
who might have been getting Commission of their
imported goods, do not want to lose that trade,
because they have been dependent upon it for years.
While they may have started to patronise local
people, they are not willing to realise the outside
trade which they have been carrying on for many
years. The tendency in Barbados, as far as these
industries are concerned-and we can remember how
many were introduced here-is that a few share-
holders and directors manipulate the business in
such a way, that they must get the greatest amount
of money in the shortest possible time, so that when
they are rich, they just pale out. We had a, beer
factory at Cane Wood which failed; we have a
cotton-spinning plant controlled by the Govern-
ment situated at the Cotton Factory. I want to
zay this: You cannot ask the Government to close its
doors to outside manufacturers unless you are going
to guarantee a continuous or permanent production
of all the goods which the factory produces to keep
abreast and to suit the needs of the population. When
locally-manufactured under garments are put on
the counters of the Broad Street and Swan Street
stores alongside of those which are made in Canada,
America and elsewhere, naturally, a person will
compare these garments and select the best. I have
bought dozens of these items and lost a lot of money
on them.
I have been taught by experience that we must
keep atrea&.t of the production methods which arc,
practised in other Countries. There are unfortunate
vuung women who are exploited and others who are
looking for employment; I have succeeded in getting
employment for some of them. You will find that a
firm wants all these concessions from the Government:
exemptions from Customs Duty on machinery and
so on, but the directors and Managers gets $60C and
$800 a montn; such firms take all the profits and pay
them out to a couple of big bosses who are at the headb-
I have met some young women who have to travel
from St. John to Bridgetown to work in order to
receive $5.00 a week in this modern day! How can
you give concessions to such Firms? It is a fact that
these young women are paid $5.00 a week, and if the
Minister wants to get the facts, I can give them to
hl!a. there are people who are getting $5.00 a week
in Bridgetown when the people at the top get $400
and $500 a month.
We have to take into consideration these youtm
women who have to travel from the Country to Bridge
town; they do not want to remain unemployed and
in order to keep out of trouble, they pay as much as.
44c. a day for transportation. Although they are
paid such low wages, the business is still going on.
It is not good enough merely to give these Industries
this protection. While it is true that the granting of
u ,ncessions might enable a Firm to employ about 10C
y'ung women, you have to look back and see what
,wages are being paid. We have to see whether firms
are producing under a syste:ni of monopoly and possib-
1- paying unfair prices and wages. Those are th.
things which we have to watch. The Hon. Minister
must take a firm stand in these matters; it is not
everything which sounds sweet or smells sweet which
can be accepted.
10.50 p.m.


As I have said, this bit of Legislation might be
beneficial in Trinidad or in St. Lucia but it does noi
always necessarily mean that it wil be beneficial in
Barbados or Antigua.
I am told that they have their warehouses full
ef goods. What more do they want This is a small
community. If you put machinery in your industry
v.hich has the capacity 'of one which would accommo-
date a place like Jamaica with one and half million
people, or Trinidad with six hundred and sixty
thousand people, or British Guiana which is a big
country, that is your business. What must we do?
People here cannot always go into town and buy $5
or $6 shirts. It is a god send that sometimes they
can get a dollar bill from home and go into Bridge
tuwn and buy a Japanese or whatever shirt it is for
five shillings or two dollars according to the needs
of the individual. Now, you are going to make it
impossible for those people to buy that kind of shirt
and you say you are protecting a business house
because a couple of young women are employed there.
the benefits to be derived out of a couple dozen young
women are not as great as the benefits which would
acerue to the whole Island if the people were per-
mitted to purchase cheap shirts from overseas. We
do not care who make them whether they be Japanese
or Russians; we want them here because the people
have not the means to buy all the necessities of life;
therefore, whoever can send us cheap shirts and food
and cheap materials for housing, we do not care who
they are. we should be willing to accept them.
This is a farce. I believe in industrialisation, but
not in the type of industrialisation which ultimate
aim is to carry up the cost of living on a hard pressed
community. If hon. members study it carefully, they
will see that no benefits are to be derived by what is
being done by this Bill other than the benefits which
the Directors and employees of that firm will get. It
is surprising that sometimes when there is something
which can clearly be seen as beneficial to the masses.
Sou have to fight to get it; but something like this-
you will ust hear two voices and they will run down
here with it. The only persons whom this Bill is go.
mg to help are the Directors of that factory.
Government talks about protection of the work-
ers. Let me say that formerly every village had a
couple of seamstresses who used to make shirts to
suit their neighbours. Many a time I have had shirts
made by those women when I was a youngster, and
I do think that all of us have had shirts made by those
women. Now, places like the Elite Shirt Factory have
driven away the prospects of those young girls to
whom their parents used to give a machine and ieari
the profession of dressmaking and they have destroy-
ed all the opportunities which those girls depended
upon. Now, you do not get a Singer machine in every
other house, because those women are crying out that
they cannot get any work to do with their machines.
What is happening is that the big factories in town
are making shirts and under garments. These young
women are saying: "we have to sell 'our machines,
or go to England or get a lot of children." Those
arc the facts.
If you study these things, you will see that this
Bill is not so rosy from the point of view of the
community. Tomorrow this Bill is going to become
law. I know it is going to pass the Legislature, and
those people who are going to benefit from it know
that it is going to be passed already. They are sitting
in confidence knowing full well that this Bill is going
to pass this House tonight. Mr. Speaker, do you not
know that the Regulations which this amendment is
going to provide have been in operation for weeks
now? I have heard from a man in the gallery some-


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tame ago that he was accustomed buying the type oi
bhirl wiich described just now to work in. it is a
round neck, blue or white "T" shirt. lie showed me
another one and said that as soon as one wears out,
ha: goes and purchase another. Lie then told me:
"imagine the Bill which you all have now brought
down affects me because when I was accustomed going
iito Swan Street and buying that type of shirt for
seventy-five cents, now I have to pay one dollar plua.
some4 iing ,or it," You can see by that that thc e
Regulations are in operation already. These people
ianly have to hear of Government's intention and the
clh ugc takes place overnight. That is dangerous and
it is because of the bad constitutional setup which
we have here, where you get all factions sitting down
and deciding policy which is not always in the public
interest. You telegraph too long your intentions
o have legislation instituted, and the only people
who do not get any notice early are the people
who are least able to bear the reaction of such legisla
don. There is a lot of strategy which those industries
work out and they are always playing politics. They
play on the ignorance of their employees and use the
very employees as weapons to drive the Government
and the Legislature to give them what they want.
They start off by telling the girls that the warehoun,
is already full of shirts, and so they can afford to fo
bome for two or three weeks; and they sav that be-
cause thev know that. that is the time that it will
take for that stock to be sold out. They tll them that
tut at the same time thev are not goinq to tell them
the real cause for Rsendinr them home.
11.00 p.m.
You tell them you want a concession. from Gov-
ernment, they would not give you, and you cannot
carry on. I am speaking from what I know. You tell
them you would be willing to employ three times as
many girls, but you want a concession from Govern-
ment, because Jamaica and Trinidad have given tihe
same concession, and therefore you are afraid you have
to close down, and, if you need them in the future,
you will call them back. Those girls will always
be called back because as soon as the surplus stock,
which they had stupidly manufactured and had in
their warehouses was sold out, they would have to
brIng back the girls. They do as much want to run that
factory as the unemployed woman in Carrington's
Village want to get a job because while she suffers the
pangs of hunger she also suffers the disappointment
of not getting the profits of her labour at that factory.
With the conditions which obtain in this island in
respect of factories, customs duties, etc. they came
and put down that factory at a cost of $700,000 and
after they did that of course, everybody's eyes were
turned there looking for employment and then they
purposely started to take names of girls who were
there every morning after; they had set their hopes
that high; they refused to open that Factory and
started to claim a concession from Government
which they were given. They knew that the Customs
Tariffs or Customs Duty, would be this, that or the
other; they knew the conditions of labour, and com-
petition against which they had to run the Industry:
and they brought their money, purchased a property,
installed machinery and kept it closed down and
said they were not going to open it. That is what
happened. Then they came here with some Bill or
other wanting a concession which you gave them,
then two concessions, and now they want three.
The Government in New York had to fight hard
to destroy monopolies in the city of New York. We
cannot afford to build them up here and let other
opportunities be closed by these big monopolies in
this small Colony where many of the citizens were


trained to be what they are today, and, where in-
dustrialisation in homemade industry was indulged
In and caused many of us to be where we are today.
High School on floats, makZng them in her door.
Gradually these opportunities are being destroyed
and we are bound to reach the stage when half
dozen people will play the tune, and everybody in
the population has to dance. It might be said that
it is inevitable, but we need not gallop to reach there.
1i we see the Hotel Industry can bring us mone
and I feel it can, let us have it, because you will get
a lot of buildings going up, a lot of carpenters and
masons and people of that sort will get employment
as well as taxi drivers and domestic servants. That
stands to benefit the community mo-e. But this is
a half cent industry that you do not even know about.
1 ou will give them protection now and compel the
importers in Bridgetown to refrain from maintaining
contact with Export"i n Ho'I: in oti,- countries
on whom we have depended for materials for all
these years, and then suddenly some Mr. Director
will decide "I am not worrying with Barbados
again," pull up all his roots and go overseas, and you
are left to reconnect yourself to the manufacturers
with whom you have been dealing all these years.
I might be stupid, and am willing to bow to more
logical argument, but that is as I have seen it.
under the disguise of industrialisation and the pro-
tection of industries or manufacture of goods in the
West Indies or Barbados.
You have an example in England where cement
is manufactured. The man who digs the raw material
out of the quarry with which cement is made lives
at a higher standard than. the man in the West Indies.
It is put into the factory which is handled by work-
ers whose standards of living are higher than ours;
those workers can drive to work in a big car, send
trieir children to College, have a refrigerator in il'e
house; then it is brought from England, possibly it
travels hundreds of miles on train and railroad, a.(d
again handled by workers whose standard of living
is highr than that in the West Indies. You bring it
by ship and land it here in Barbados for a reasonable
price. The cement is now made in Trinidad by work-
crs whose standard of living is comparable to ours
or slightly different. Are we able to buy that 2 ,-,
Ser bag less? Mind you, it used to be made in
England thousands of miles away, and come out
here at high-priced salaries to those who had to bring
it, but now it is made in Trinidad, and they bring it
here by schooners and we know the wages of the
Schooner crews. Are we able to buy it 15c. or 2:2c.
less? Don't you see something is wrong? Take the
soap industry for instance and I hope the Minist.r
would not sneer at the points [ am making, but take
them seriously because I have made a study of them.
WVe thought when we made it here, we would be able
to buy it, cheaper. T have heard hon. members in thi4
place arguing about items produced in Barbados
which are sold cheaper in British Guiana than in
Barbados. I think the hon. member for St. George
riade this point his theme for some time, and I hav.w
reasons to feel that he has the facts, otherwise there
uonld not have been a repetition by him; but it does
seem that there is something wrong, and those con.
corned do not make their demands unless they have
the approval of some of the members of this Place. I
regret very much that there are not sufficient mcm
bers who are thinking similarly to myself on this
issue, as they would either try and make out as they
have been making out or shift their business to suit
the competition which we have. It is asking the con-
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-a small number of people can benefit, and I .prefer
whatever legislation is enacted, that it benefits the
jnajority and not the minority.
12.10 p.m.
Whe this Bill becomes Law, the Firms will
start a ad 25e., 50c. and 75c. aewording to the
.cjt of ever i44iaional S p1rt which is Jaeae over AtA
counter. While you should give employment to a
couple of dozen young men and Women, I would like
to be in a position where I would be able to know
that hundreds and thousands of dollars woil4 not be
taken out of circulation and ,put Into the pockets of
the Directors of these Firms wltln a period of a
year. A sta ipeasedJiipie light lo *at, bJit
it involves '8@ow0 Veopbfe, lie Jorityoif wom
,cannot do wt Se t Wearing a .hfrt; ahd there are
millions of these garments wh~it have to be bought
-yearly, and which wostldhave to carry the imposition
of another 25e. ot 50e. according to their valuation.
What is mnre, at Att like this Iwhen it is passed,
vdll put .more profits into the haads of the business
l1ouses, because evey tliett yti learry up your Cus-
toms Duties, the pro ats e pt up as well as-the
c.i.f. duty. These Jbusi Feays W~ok aw a percen-
tage basis, and wiet tiejr a!e 1fshed, they st4an. to
benefit more than anybb4, else. They are all shrewd
in the method of u'andling their business; they
liquidate every small oommision agent or every
aeil wholesaler. am told that they will only sel to
a lbigfirnn-;ey- o tb t antte sellto the small poplf,
they 'say that their minikntfi sale is 12 gross, and it
is iposs'Me ,for a small man to make such a pur-
Oease. It is well known that many a small shopkeeper
.cawnat b y by the tross; the *]o. junior member
for Chist Churehn nows wetl Iwhat am saying. You
-easst b y 3 dosen shirts mess you 'are going to
pay lor them nat the hIter-cest. You wil find,.that
there -are a lt of busHiess men in Bridgetown -who
4e :beyi that they 5ss at :prateteioa against some.
Concern, but we know that it is orly wien ithes
people ind .themsreles..with a dargesarpie bat.they
wiR sell out to he .rta~ler. You ,amrs t exaet to
have millions of items ar4,tp gainon ewner e9 ;,owhy,
e ,pen .thik that .somne-.otf the Storee ain JBoadStreet
havie -sales Qonasioxaal4t- Wbene -a lAAirt oets 47.5_
ty wij ll,se3 .you for $t24.
The ,on. Minister otf Trade e &.reoght 'doewn
this measure, and I actually accused him of being: itoo
ak,; -or pot .ell .eakoSi informed as to-the rAiings
v-i'OchQonceran, iseortfolip. Tbhis fill s.iLasoteoaait
the eQosmmunity,. s suah, and when I.say 4at it will
not benefit 'the -comnmauity,, .I d, not. mea.n, 4e eoupk.e
o F perux4 wjho eanaget a a grantee byr.legigalftion; ,
-"!en the'y,;housands iaf.'people who rhave topay the'
iusTpa edi mwawl r shirts Jsoiuge 1f thbsiB Utr wit
liaiqoUght d4owa.
SOas -. QRRRkW-E iiMr. Spftakr, we Aame heaidt
qritbe a lati beurief'tg'tay 'bpeacheos toaiktialdfiL rfdW
-not ~intead to mrke .alre her lengthy apsetdh at -ithis
latehAur. My Forty till stands&ifar the fneopeage.
metAf4Wd ustis ,Pri.,A$uLaDJiR: Naturwaliy]
thqare(i dl tha'tliBis swll er~eteae re .bihs:tar peoples
We.iearnetnt ,goingc)baek ion; our staidibeeause iwefeelb
thfat -th e Gsovernmentais .:erelnBlyrga Q~ang is tthatr
dirodfti.w; %ioweve,: we would Iike, to asee.4erwlwe~n-i1:
rmnpt -:.h.o out -mereeseouagtgeuat 4o0 i~austiis to
camebere. ;When -I -speak AA inlostriea, 4.l wtl ,ayr
that we rdornot: forPsee:,anyhePwy ndy stkeseming
toJbaado a& utilR we ooftndisaoverT grmBer soiames Of
power. -We-wantito -be,,doing- for IamsebWs wiBrat asei.pquy4jg other people fte&do Jorrmus land theyy ae-,
saedig, ipr. their pAricesi., et1t :~ pt,.uPr Aq(ple -to0l
work; and we are only going to do that if, on evewy?:
occasion, a new industry which is just getting on its


feet can come and ptit its case clearly to the Govern.
finent and say: "This protection is necessary for our
survival."
It is either a question of our paying a little
more so as to protect an industry which will put
people to work, or a question of our paying less and
;ten thene is no industry which will create new jobs
as simple .as that. in proteetingi an industry we have
to see that that industry is put 0x a good footing,
that conditions of work will be favslqable and we
must make-sure that that industry is capable of
producing the type of goods to the satisfaction of the
consumer. We want to know that these iodattris will
be in a position to stand on thbir feet a ,d be (*le to
compete with marbstst f.rom outside. Unless we do
that, we will continue to be the eonaun ers instead
of being the producera. We are new moving into a
Federation, and I foresee that unless we trry up
nid attaaet to these .shores several i diA.tries we are
goifi to find that we have beep drawn into a
Federation fith 4amniaa and Ttiuaad having heea
Industrialised, and thlt ,the ipdautr4ef will h)1 m keen
s estao ishd tiat i4o oiEirstoas w*i ld he 'axtmcted


TbIeywil ~ e a Maoteted tarb far the ;t=ioni
4a4 inside if the nego there will be no tarifF C
togrs ~taioa~ but A ftie flow of ~gods betwen *
area; and if we do at have or industries esteli K
before that Aime, we will iiimer get 'them. We
eativmie to pod4uce esagar, run anld *milk. "e Mw
have a hotel industry but net as things are ,i
todar.%elause a e re not 4se ouaain g people.i co
here. Whether Goverammntira.fAid of sow-e peMS
or af ,the speech whidh they -iny have just feard
t"is Ioveraneent eevtainly.deesmot eneourage ,apita
to :came to Sarbaio& f 4 r we e gding to treat in4
destinies like hat lthe heon. membei:Baid in h;i spe.ecq
jaat ow, ado ylu rik they ;w eoie oe In Trinidad
and Jamaica industries are encouraged to remain and
others are encouragedd to ooe in.
I am going to. ak a few quIestins whiie I wil
Ike the HoaK. Minister of lra&e to -answer. C'an. 'bI
tea me 'eatight hOhether this is an, ifierease ,uit
from 130% to 11% % British TPieience) and- 2% to
*2?,% ('enelaa ) plus :a surcharge of L$5 per dozei
shirts'? is that -he -entire surePhrge which l 'be8
made? Why I ask that is because in ojur exxst's
tariffs today, theaie isan overall % sureharge.
that 20% surcharge to be added to this oor is thi
$5.per dozen shirts to take leelee ;of that 20f :sur-
I also .otieed -in this BiB that ieri is no clause
imaikig it retboaetive. In 'etheiC r wros -when -this
Mll is passed. is lit It4a. fro i that day the nluties
VtA ibe increased(i I am t6M that the ComiBtriler
of Customs has heol ':the duty paying on snrtds
that iale 'i.-he -tlareeihoue 'aiMl in the bonds until
jis D1Bigs passed. I ido ot ow on what -authority
he should l have -dea~ 'hat Because ithe last Bill was.
wjithdrawn fom hia rouse .iatdd i ;Shiis Bill &heMe.
is so anentitn .of any ettib v clause. I am -ture
,that the Hon. BhiiisdtAr can also say whether it is the
;intention that.tbis duty. paying, of shirts will be
nmade retroeacive. I do hope that .that is not so
bbecauseAhese persons who iave-I ced ordersin the
'past and vwho have goods in 'je -warehouse should
'be aBlowed o takee ihem ourt. Aniy genuio' orders
ibofJre haWt 'ray should be givefi that consideration.'
'lJhis proteefive tariff is not meant to be 'punitive.
lt should only- eme into being 'from r the time it .be.
iconmes aw; therefore, to 'impose hflt duty on goods
ithat'tiavee:beeri ~dterea .inthe .past is, I think, unrifair.
iElo thiatreason, I feel thdt: this f 1iill is more arppro-'
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As regards the exemption of shirts, the cost of
which will be less than $12. per dozen, I do not know
whether it is possible today to get shirts of that
value. I have heard it mentioned that it may refer
to children's shirts. I understand that the cheapest
workman's shirt a khaki shirt is sold for $1.47
or thereabouts. If that is the selling price, I am
sure that is over $1.00. If that is correct, that clause
of the Bill can easily be taken out, because it would
appear as if that is only a bit of window dressing.
I may be wrong. If you are unable to buy shirts
under the value of one dollar each, I would say that
you should delete that clause because it would just
give the feeling to workers that you are really trying
to keep down the cost of his shirts when that is not
really so. Again, I would say that I am not aware
of it. I have heard some members say that it is
possible to get shirts at that value.
I do, hope that the Hon. Minister will let me
know something .as regards the meaning of this sur-
charge of $5.00 per dozen shirts and would tell me
whether that is in place of the 20% surcharge that
now, exists on the general tariff.
Mr. MILLER: Mr. Speaker, I had no intention
"tb saying a word on this Bill until I heard the re-
marks of the hon. member who has just spoken. We
are all getting sleepy but he made use of words which
sound very strange to me as a businessman. That
reference, in the first part of his speech that you
want to attract industries because they provide em-
ployment and his philosophy on industrialisation
are .not only strange, but farcical. I do not believe
any industrialist or, commercially minded mnan in the
0ominnity will accept.,that as a philosophy for in-
dustrialisation. We -have .seen this race for estab-
lishing industries in ,the West. Indies, and particu-
larly the move.for getting, industries in the other
colonies that we are probably willing. to encourage
Ony type of industry with the hope. that something
will happen on.its establishment for the good of the
community.
For an industry .to flourish, it must have, in' the
first place, the basic means of acquiring the raw
material. The ,MaVchester Mills have more or less
thriven on the enslavement of the colonies from
whichh they draw their, stores of raw material and
cotton. Manufactured :goods are: also produced by
the same people; therefore, whenever you are think-
ing of the textile industry, wherever textile is con.
cerned as the primary, product, it is always a -ques-
tion of slavery. ..
However, that is beside the question. You can
probably correct the G.A.T.T. agreement in the hope
that it will work for the good of the nations but
it cutsright across the fundamental and early prin,'
ciple of G.A.T.T. to correct ,the :type of cartel of,
flattering ourselves in the blackmail that we should
do everything to attract industries.
Government is, offering this industry some more
protection. That industry will be favoured under the
guidance of the people who :make these garments.
What is more is that all that machinery'was.'ought
by Messrs. DaCosta and Company, Limited. It was
lying down idle,, in decay and.,risting. ;
11,30 p.m.
I do not want to criticise the Minister, nor am I.
saying that he,s~tpuld have postponed.the Bill I am
p member of the Party, and whether it :be right or
wrong, I have to go along with it. OnlyL rats desert a
winking ship, and 'I am not the type who would get
outside and criticise it, but that does not mean that
he is right on this, and in the ;industry concerned.
The basic material seems to be the control of the raw
material used in the eoncession, but in providing
this protection to the industry, you must examine tlhe


decision and see what you are doing. If the garment
factory finds that their profit is made available, they
must plough it back into the industry. Today, we
are thinking of shirts, but they are thinking of
rompers for the little baby, because it is the order of
things, and you .are going to ask three quarters of
this community to support this particular Bill be-
cause you want to satisfy yourself that you are giv-
ing 100 people employment.
There is some argument in whibe you talk about
Jamaica; I have seen cloth manufactured in Jama-
ica and they have paid some attention to it. We
know that granulated sugar is manufactured and
used in England and .even sold to us, but we will
eventually manufacture it here. The Hon. Minister
knows tiat there will be a brief duration of all these
things with the establishment of Federation. That
os our unfortunate position, and that is why I was
worried about his argument to justify the existence
of these Tariffs; but in his speech, the Leader of the
Opposition did throw a shaft of light on what is in
itself a flaw, and that is where we want to point out
that it must militate against the best interest and
social interest of the community, because we know
it must be short lived. With these remarks, I want to
support the Bill.
Hon. R. G. MAPP: Mr. Speaker, I have been
accused of galloping too quickly in one instance,
galloping too slowly in another, and the worst is
that I have been galloping in all directions. But I
think as a Government, it would be criminal if we
failed to make a move at all and decide .on a policy
such as this and not to have come down with this
Bill. The speech pnade, by the last speaker was a far.
'rago of nonsense, because if this.is short lived ....
M r. MiLLER: On a point of Order. I -take object
tion to the remarks made by the hen..member in re,
herring to my argument.as a farrago of nonsense ..
Hon. R. G. 'MAPP: Tihe hen. member cannot
make another speech. !
Mr. SPEAKER: 1le is making a point of order.
S Mr. MILLER i'I take bbjection to'his remark be-
1 ause of the folly of his simple mind. I just take the
exception and am hoping it will get some longitude
where' necessary and not latitude, because I said
clothing personal. What I said was that ii the unfor-
tunate rush for industry you look away from essen-
Itials.
HonH.R..G. 'MAPP: I am saying he has centered
his whole argument arbond 'the short life of this in-
dustry anyhow., If "we cannot prevent federation
from protecting an industry from outside competi-
tion, we 'had better try to -get it done now even if it
Sis shortilived. Federation is still a year off and un-
' der a Ciistoms Union the early birds catch the best
worms. That strengthens more than ever the necessity
for a Bill of this kind. I would never agree to pro-
iecting an inefficient industry because only the con-
uumner is hit in that'case; therefore if the industry
'cannot compete within' the federation, I say now is'
the tine to offer :lroal workers a chance. We would
i till be faced, Mr. 'Speaker, in a federation with high
Duties, as a protection against imports from outside,
'and faced still with unemployment. The hon. member
has really demolished his'own criticisms of the Bill
At this stage I really cannot reply to the hon. senior'
member for St. John. He has ventured into waters
in which he has drowned himself. I say this has
absolutely nothing to do with making monopolies.
There are seven of these garment making factories,
'and, you cannot make regulations before you bring-
down: an Act. Why doesn't the hon. member stick to-
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Mr. ALLDER: On a point of explanation, Mr.
Speaker, what 1 said was that tihe business houses in
Bridgetown knew the intentions of Government to
have the Customs Tariff Act amended and they
started weeks ago to put up the price of shirts. We
pay more for them today than we paid when they
started to sell during the past two or three weeks
,and I suggested that regulations should be put in the
Tariff.
Hon. R. G. MAPP: He did not know what he
.was saying at the time. 'ihe Regulations have already
been passed? Is he saying that?
Mr. ALLDER: Mr. Speaker, with your permis-
sion, I did not say that. What I did say, Sir, is that
here it is we are passing an amendment to the Cus-
toms Tariff Act, but that regulations which are con-
tained in this amendment have already been imple-
mented by business houses in Bridgetown. I did not
say Government had implemented them because they
have started to carry up the price of shirts.
-11.40 p.m.
Hon. R. G. MAPP: It is unfortunate; he means
they are taking advantage of the fact that we are
bringing down this Bill on their shirts, but I have
had no information to that effect..
As a matter of fact, my information has been to
the opposite. I must say that this is the first oc
casion on which I have heard anything about that.
This is not a revenue-raising Tariff; this is a pro-
tective Tariff. Anyhow, I will make enquiries into
the matter.
As to the question of the additional surcharge
that is laid down by Law and it should not come m-
to this matter at all. Instead of 20%, it would be
really 24% under the Revenue Aid Act. If the hon.
member will look at the original Bill, he will see
that the surcharge was 24%. This Bill brings it
back to the figure of 20%.
Other hon. members who have spoken and who
have subjected me to personal attacks are not now in
their seats, and therefore I will not worry with them.
I say that people in this industry are claiming thaz!
if we do this thing for them, if we give them this
assistance, they will be able to employ up to 600 peo-
ple. In the face of the present unemployment situ-
ation, could we ignore the claims which have been
put up to us? Could we ignore these things? In
Canada, I interviewed two Industrialists who hope to
set up factories in these parts, but do you think they
will come here if we do not give them protection?
The Government cannot allow people to do nothing
or starve. We have to do something to protect and
encourage these industries; they do not come in just
by our crying: "Open Sesame, come to Barbados
and help us in our plight."
As regards the hon. junior member for St. Peter,
it does appear that whenever he sees me, it is a
red rag to a bull. Poor chap-
Mr. SPEAKER: The Hon. Minister must not
refer to the hon. member in such terms.
Hon. R. G. MAPP: I want to point out that
the hon. member has said that this Government
does not follow other Governments in the area, that
it does not encourage Trade Unions and things of
that sort, and he refers to what the Minister in Ja-
maica is doing. Well, the Hon. Minister in Jamaica
is doing exactly what we are doing in this Bill;, in
Jamaica they encourage industries, and the Minister
has recently set up a Wages Council in the hotel
industry in the best interests of the workers.
The question that this Bill be now read a second
time was put and resolve in the affirmative without
division.


On the motion of Hon. R. G. MAPP, seconded
by Hon. M. E. COX, Mr. SPEAKER left the' Chair,
and the House went into Commuittee on their Bill, Mr.
SMITH being in the Chair.
The two Clauses of the Bill were called amid
passed.
On the motion of Hon. R. G. MAPP, seconded
by Hon. M. E. COX, the CHAIRMAN reported the
passing of the Bill in Commisttee.
Mr. SPEAKER resumed the Chair and reported
accordingly.
On motions of Hon. R. G. MAPP, seconded by
Hon. M. E. COX in each case, the Bill was read a
third time and passed.
11.50 p.m.

RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THE WIRELESS
TELEGRAPHY (AMENDMENT)
REGULATIONS. 1956

Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS: Mr. Speaker,
I am asking leave to take Items 7 & 8.
There being no objection leave was granted the
hon. member.
Mr. SPEAKER: The next Order of the Day
stands in the name of the Hon. Minister for Com-
munications, Works and Housing: to move the pass-
ing of the following Resolution to approve the Wire-
less Telegraphy (Amendment) Regulations, 1956.
Hon. M. E. COX: Mr. Speaker, this is a small
Resolution. As the Addendum to it explains, under
the Wireless Telegraphy Regulations 1940, persons
on whose premises wired receiving sets are installed
are required to pay a licence fee of five shillings
per annum. The Governor has decided to waive the
fee and this Resolution seeks to give effect to that
decision.
I may point out that it is an error to say "the
Governor has decided." The word "Governor"
should be deleted and the word "Government" in-
serted in its place because it is the Government that
has decided to waive the fee.
For some time we have been approached by people
who felt that the existence of the fee of five shillings
paid by people who are desirous of installing these
wired sets created a bit of hardship and caused some
embarrassment in the installation of those sets. In
view of the fact that the Government would like
everybody to be informed of not only what happens in
the outside world but more particularly in so far
as local news is concerned, the Government had
decided to waive that licence fee; so this Resolution
seeks to give effect to that decision.
I beg to move that this Resolution do now pass.
Hon. C. E. TALMA: I beg to second that.
The question that the Resolution do now pass
was put and resolved in the affirmative without divi-
sion.

ADOPTION OF REPORT OF SELECT COMMIT-
TEE APPOINTED TO REPORT ON
RESOLUTION FOR $2,000

Mr. SPEAKER: The next Order of the Day
stands in the name of the Minister of Communica-
tions, Works and Housing: to move the considera-
tion of the Report of the Select Committee appointed
to report on the Resolution for $2,000.
Hon. M. E. COX: Mr. Speaker, the Select
Committee appointed to go into the question of a
Resolution before the House for $2,000 to provide
for amplifying equipment to improve the voices of
the members of the Legislature met and reported.
I will read the Report. It is as follows:-


I MARCH 11, 1957.


OFFICIAL GAZETTE









O]FP-tiT GAET- MARCH. 1, 1957.


The Select Committee appointed to consider and
report on a Resolution to place the sum. of $2,000
at the disposal of the Governor-in-Executive Com-
mittee to supplement the Estimates 1956-57, Part
I Current as shown in the Supplementary Estimate
1956-57, No. 21, has the honour to present 'the fol-
lowing Report.
2. The Committee met on the 31st August, 1956,
when the following members were present:-

Hon. M. E. Cox (Chairman)
Mr. F. C. Goddard
Mr. J. A. Haynes
Mr. F. E. Miller

3. The Gommittee begs to report that aftercare-
rill coisideratien it deems it advisable that the
arrangements be made for a preaotical demonstration
of the means of the amplification recommended in
the Addendum of the said *Resolution.
The Committee feels tbat.before we commit our-
selves to the expense of $2,000 for permanent in-


stallation of this amplifying equipment that a
demonstration test should be made and the Govern-
ment Electrical Inspector has indicated that it is
possible for him to get a demonstration for this
House after which hon. members will be able to decide
whether or not they intend to have it installed per-
manently as this Resolution sets out.
I beg to move that the Report of the Committee
be adopted.
Hon. C. E. TALMA: I beg to second that.
The question wasput nd retslved in the aOirmaw
tive without division.

ADJOURNMENT

The Order .Paper having been fixed,
Ron. Dr. H. G. H. QUMMINS: I ,beg to more
that this House do now adjourn nutil this day week
Tuesday, 18th September, 1q56, at 3 pnm.
Hon. M. E. COX: I beg to-eeeond that.
The question was put and resolved in the aff4ma-
tive without divz~ion, and Mr. EPBEiKER adjourned
the Rouse rccer linaly. .


OPPICIAa GAZETTE


. MARcH 11, 1957. [


I








Supplement to Official Gazette, March 11, 1957

Introduced by Hon. M. E. Cox, M. C. P. on
the 5th February, 1957, and read a first time
the same day.

OBJECTS AND REASONS

The Government has for some time had under con-
sideration deficiencies in the law of Barbados relating to
control of sales of intoxicating liquor. The Liquor Li-
cences Act, 1909, purports to exercise control by prohibit-
ing sales of intoxicating liquor except under licence, and
by providing for control of licensed premises. However,
it is considered that this law does not fulfil its principal
function, viz., the effective regulation and control of the
sale of intoxicating liquor. Clubs are free from the pro-
visions of this legislation in so far as supply of liquor to
members is concerned, and this has provided a loophole
which there is reason to believe is being used for the sup-
ply of liquor contrary to the intention of the law. The
number of unlicensed premises on which liquor is sold is
thought to be appreciable. Such premises, when run as
clubs, are free from the controls in the Liquor Licences
Act, 190), and thus many of the evils which the Act is
designed to prevent, such as gambling and immorality on
licensed premises, can flourish without check.
There are, moreover, deficiencies and discrimination
so far as licensed premises are concerned. For instance,
most modern liquor licensing legislation gives the li-
censing authority power to impose conditions with regard
to standard of accommodation and amenities having re
guard to the class of business to be carried on. There is
usually provision for different classes of licences for
wholesalers and retailers and for different classes of
businesses such as hotels and retailers. Different fees
are usually charged having regard to the fact, for instance,
that a hotel may carry on its trade during hours when a
retail shop is required to be closed. None of these mat-
ters are provided for in existing legislation.
In addition, even for those matters which the Act
does seek to cover, it is now largely out-of-date. It was
enacted as a consolidating measure in 1909 and has con-
tinued since without any material change. It is not sur-
prising that legislation on this subject which is at least
almost half a century old, and perhaps considerably
older, in many respects does not contain the necessary
measures to cope with modern conditions.
This bill is therefore a re-enactment of the law relat-
ing to sales of intoxicating liquor. While some of the
provisions of the previous legislation are repeated some-
times in a modified form, a number of the provisions are
either new or at least make different provision from the
Liquor Licences Act, 1909. A comparative table is
attached, which shows the new provisions and their
source.
Part I provides for eight kinds of licences with th3ir
respective characteristics. The present form of licence is
provided for as a retail licence, the only differences being
that the holder may not engage in wholesale trade or sell
u pon hotel, restaurant or club premises. Special licences
are provided for these cases. Licences are to expire on
31st December in each year.
Part II establishes licensing authorities in much the
same form as at present except that the lay members need
nol. be justices of the peace. These members may be
paid travelling expenses. Quarterly licensing sessions
are also provided for, with special sessions when requir,'d
Part III deals with licensing procedure and provides
in general for public notice of applications for new li-
cences or transfers of existing licences and for any person
to be able to object to these applications upon giving notice
stating his grounds. At the hearing, in addition to the
applicant, any person who has objected and any member
of the police force may appear as parties. Personal
attendance is required except in certain circumstances.
An application for transfer or renewal may be granted by







the Police Magistrate without reference to the licensing
authority where no notice of objection has been filed and
the Police certify that there is no objection. There is
provision in the case of death etc. of the licensee for
authority to be granted by the Police Magistrate to carry
on the business until the next licensing sessions.
Renewal of licenses is to be dealt with at the Decem-
ber sessions and need not be advertised. Nor need the
applicant attend unless notice of objection has been
lodged or the Police Magistrate so requires.
Upon the grant of an application, conditions or re
strietions may be imposed. In addition the Bill provideF
for certain conditions in all licences (clause 29) and for
certain conditions to be satisfied prior to granting an
application (Clause 30). Clause 31 seeks to provide that
licences shall not be granted in certain circumstances
Although a Police Magistrate may grant an applica-
tion in certain circumstances, Clause 32 seeks to provide
that only the licensing authority can refuse an applica-
tion. There is a right of appeal to the; Assistant Court
of Appeal from any decision of a licensing authority or
Police Magistrate.
Provision is made for a licensee other than a whole-
saler to obtain from the Police Magistrate an occasional
licence for one day on the occasion of certain public gather-
ings. Upon the certificate of the Police, an occasional
licence may be granted to a person who is not a licensee
for a gathering conducted by any association for its own
purposes, when the Police Magistrate is satisfied that the
profits from liquor sales accrue to the association.
The issue of licences and payment and recovery
of duty are along the lines of the present law with some
modifications. The duty payable on a retailer's licence
($50) is approximately the same as at present (,10). The
duty payable on the other licences are set out in the
schedule to the Bill.
Part IV provides for clubs and is new, although some
of the provisions are in line with existing law in Trinidad
and Bahamas. See the comparative table. The effect
If the provisions of the Bill may be summarised as fol
lows. No club with less than fifteen members can sell
or supply liquor on its premises. All clubs of fifteen or
more members which wish to sell or supply intoxicating
liquor on their premises, are obliged to register either as
members' clubs or proprietary clubs, and to obtain li-
cences. Registration may be made only upon the order of a
Police Magistrate. Such an order may be made upon
application supported by information designed to show
whether or not the association is genuinely a club and
whether it is a members' club or a proprietary club. This
.information is to be verified by the Police who are also
to make such other enquiries as are necessary to inform
.the Police Magistrate upon the matters requiring con-
sideration. If the Police Magistrate is satisfied on the in-
formation supplied and the police report, he may order
registration of the club. If he is not so satisfied, the ap-
plication is referred to the licensing authority for hearing
at the licensing sessions. The licensing authority may
refuse the application only in the circumstances set out in
Clause 47. There is provision with respect to removal of
a club to new premises and for notification of changes in
club rules etc.
If a club is registered, the issue of a club licence ib
automatic (Clause 52 (2) ) and in the case of a mem-
bers' club. there is a nominal licence duty of $5 only
Licences are to be renewed annually. A club licence
authorises the supply of liquor on the club premises to
members for consumption on or off the premises and for
consumption on the club premises only to visitors and
guests whose names are properly recorded.








Upon complaint, enquiry may be made as to whether
a club registered as a members' club is in fact a propri
etary club, and the registration changed in appropriate
cases. Upon complaint on certain grounds (clause 56) and
after a hearing before the Police Magistrate, the latter
may cancel registration of a club. In that case, the licence
becomes void. Provision is made for the Police Magistrate
to award costs against a complainant who lodges a com-
plaint which the Police Magistrate is of opinion, is frivolous
or vexatious. There is provision for appeal to the Assistant
Court of Appeal, in which case the licence remains valid
pending final disposal of the appeal. Clause 58 provides
for certain records to be kept by a club including regis
tries of ordinary, temporary and honorary members, and
of visitors and guests. An officer of police performing
the duties of a superintendent may enter club premises
and inspect records.
Employees' clubs may be registered as members' club,
although in proprietary club form.
In part V clauses 64 and 67 introduce new provisions
with respect to suitability of premises and employment
of young persons respectively.
Part VI deals with offences and their punishment.
Provision is made for licences to be cancelled, in general,
if a licensee is convicted of a second offence, but in two in-
stances (clause 70) (2) and 72 (2) the licence is to be
cancelled on conviction for a first offence.
In Part VII, dealing with enforcement, the right to
inspect licensed premises without a search warrant is, in
the case of police officers inspecting club premises con-
fined to officers performing the duties of superintendent.
Most of the new provisions in this part deal with proof of
offences and these provisions are adapted from Trinidad
or Bahamas legislation. Clause 93, which is new, gives
power to order licensed premises to be closed in case of riot.
Clause 94 provides for the usual eases of exemption
from the provisions of licensing laws. Clause 95 provides
for forfeiture of licence after enquiry by a Police Magis-
trate upon breach of -a condition of a licence. Clauses 97
and 98 make transitional provisions required on the bring-
ing the new law into operation. Clause 99 confers
the power to make regulations, including regulations
with regard to standard conditions or restrictions in
licences, construction etc. of licensed premises including
standards of accommodation and amenities, and the ad-
mission of guests or temporary members to clubs.







BARBADOS.
A Bill intituled
An Act to consolidate and amend the law relating
to the sale of intoxicating liquor and the supply thereof
in clubs.
BE it enacted by the Governor, Council and Assembly
of this island and by the authority of the same as
follows:-
Short title 1. This Act may be cited as the Liquor Licences
Act, 1957.
Definitions 2. In this Act, unless the context otherwise
requires -
"club" means any club consisting of not less
than fifteen members;
"intoxicating liquor" includes every description
of spirits, wines, ale, beer, porter, stoul,
cider, perry and other malt liquor and any
fermented or distilled liquor;
"licence" means a licence issued under the
provisions of this Act;
"licensed premises" means any house, shop,
room, office, booth, unit, bar or other place
specified in the licence of the licensee as the
place where the licensee may sell or supply
or offer for sale or expose for sale any in-
toxicating liquor;
"licensee" means a person who at the material
time holds a valid unexpired licence which
has been issued or transferred to him under
the provisions of this Act;
"the licensing authority" means the licensing
authority constituted under subsection (2)
of section nine of this Act having jurisdic-
tion in respect of any matter;
"members' club" means a club all the property,
funds and assets of which belong jointly to
the members thereof, whether such are vested
in trustees for the members or otherwise;
"the Police Magistrate" means the Police Mag-
istrate having jurisdiction in respect of any
matter arising under this Act;
"proprietary club" means any club other than
a members' club;
"restaurant" means any premises which are ca-
pable of accommodating persons for meal
and adopted for the serving of meals and
mainly so used;
"sealed container" includes a bottle, vessel or
jar the aperture of which is covered by a
cork or cap;
"secretary" in relation to a club includes any
officer of a club or other person performing
the duties of a secretary and, in the case of
a proprietary club where there is no secre-
tary, the proprietor of the club;
"Unregistered club" includes a club which has
been struck off a register of clubs, so long as
it is not included in any such register.

PART I

LICENCES TO SELL LIQUOR

Licence to sell 3. Except as otherwise provided in this Act, no
intoxicating person shall sell or expose or offer for sale any intoxi-
liquor, eating liquor otherwise than under the authority, and
in accordance with the terms, of a licence issued under
this Act.
Kinds of licence. 4. (1) Any licence issued under this Act shall be
of one of the following kinds:-







(a) A wholesale licence;
(b) A retail licence;
(c) An hotel licence;
(d) A restaurant licence;
(e) An occasional licence;
(f) A members' club licence;
(g) A proprietary club licence;
(h) A druggist licence;
(2) A wholesale licence shall authorise the Wholesale
licensee subject to the provisions of this Act, to sell in-
toxicating liquor in bond or for export or under the
following conditions:-
(a) in sealed containers;
(b) not for consumption upon the licensed
premises; and
(c) in quantities of not less than two gallons,
provided that, if on any occasion rum only
is included in a sale, then the quantity sold
shall be not less than one gallon.
(3) A retail licence shall authorise the licensee, Retail licen
subject to the provisions of this Act, to sell intoxicating
liquor otherwise than -
(a) to another holder of a retail licence in quan-
tities of more than one gallon for resale; or
(b) upon hotel, restaurant or club premises; or
(c) in bond; or
(d) for export.
(4) An hotel licence shall be granted only in Hotel licen
respect of an hotel and shall authorise the licensee,
subject to the provisions of this Act, to sell intoxicating
liquor only for consumption upon the licensed premises.
(5) A restaurant licence shall be granted only in Restaurant
respect of a restaurant and shall authorise the licensee licence
subject to the provisions of this Act, to sell intoxicating
liquor only:-


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ee.


(a) for consumption on the licensed prem-
ises; and
(b) where food is available to the customer
on such premises at the time of such sale.
(6) An occasional licence shall authorise the Occasional
licensee, subject to the provisions of this Act, to sell licence
intoxicating liquor only -
(a) for a period of twenty-four hours; and
(b) for consumption on the premises in respect
of which such occasional licence is granted.
(7) A members' club licence shall be granted Members' club
only in respect of a members' club and shall authorise licence.
the licensee, subject to the provisions of this Act, to supply
intoxicating liquor only in accordance with the provis-
ions of this Act applicable to members' clubs.
(8) A proprietary club licence shall be granted Proprietary club.
only in respect of a proprietary club and shall authorise licence.
the licensee, subject to the provisions of this Act, to sup-
ply intoxicating liquor only in accordance with the pro-
visions of this Act applicable to proprietary clubs.
(9) A druggist licence shall authorise the person Druggist licence.
to whom it is granted to sell still wines imported in bot-
tles in one set of premises to be specified in the licence.
5. Every licence granted under the provisions of Expiration of
this Act other than an occasional licence shall expire on licence.
the thirty-first day of December in the year in which such
licence is in force, and every such licence shall state in
such licence the date of expiry thereof.
6. Every licence shall be issued in the prescribed Form of licences.
_orm.
7. The duty payable ini respect of a licence shall be Licence fees.
the appropriate duty specified in the First Schedule to
this Act.
8. The provisions of Part II and Part III of this Druggist licence
Act shall not apply to a druggist licence which shall
upon payment of the appropriate duty specified in the








First Schedule, be issued by the licensing authority to
any person who shall satisfy him that such person is a
registered druggist. All the other provisions of this Act
shall, so far as possible consistently with the provisions
of this section, apply to licences granted under this section.

PART II

LICENSING AUTHORITIES


Licenising 9. (1) For the purposes of this Act, each magiste-
Districts and rial district constituted under the Police Magistrates Act,
Authorities 1905-5
A1905, shall be a licensing district.
(2) Subject as hereinafter provided, the licensing
authority for each licensing district shall be the Police
Magistrate for that district and two other persons residing
within that district, to be appointed by the iGovernor-
in-Executive Committee, provided that, in the case of the
licensing district for District A, it shall be sufficient if
any one of the Police Magistrates for that district sits as
a member of the licensing authority for that district.
Vacation of office 10. (1) The two members of the licensing authority
so appointed by the Governor-in-Executive Committee
shall hold office from the first day of December following
their appointment until the thirtieth day of November
next ensuing, but shall be eligible for re-appointment:
Provided that any such member shall be deemed
to have vacated his office-
(a) if without leave granted by the Gov-
ernor-in-Executive Committee he fails
to attend two consecutive sittings of the
licensing authority:
(b) if without such leave he is absent from
the Island for a period of three months
while a member of such licensing
authority.
(c) if he resigns, refuses to act, or becomes
incapable of acting, as a member of such
authority.
(2) In the event of such member having vacated
his office, the Governor-in-Executive Committee may ap-
point another person residing in the same district to be
a member of such licensing authority until the thirtieth
day of November next ensuing.
Travelling 11. A member appointed by the Governor-in-Execu-
expenses. tive Committee shall be entitled to be paid reasonable
travelling expenses from the Treasury of the Island in
respect of sittings for travelling between his place of
residence and the place where such sittings are held.
Decisions of 12. (1) Subject as hereinafter provided, where any
licensing power may be exercised or any duty is to be performed
authority, by a licensing authority, that power may be exercised
and that duty may be performed by a majority of the
licensing authority provided that such majority includes
the Police Magistrate sitting as a member of such authority.
(2) Should either of the two members appointed
by the Governor-in-Executive Committee fail to attend
any sitting of the licensing authority at the hour fixed
for such sitting, the Police Magistrate, and the other
member so appointed may exercise any power or per-
form any duty which it would be lawful for the licensing
authority to exercise or perform at such sitting of the
licensing authority, provided that should the Police Mag-
istrate and such member differ as to their decision, the
decision of the Police Magistrate shall be the decision
of the licensing authority.
Police Magistrate 13. The Police Magistrate shall preside at. -ll sil-
to preside. tings of a licensing authority.
Sittings of 14. (1) Every licensing authority shall sit once dur-
licensing ing each of the months of March, June, September and
authorities. December in every year on days to be appointed by the
Police Magistrate for that district and such sittings shall
be known as "Licensing Sessions".








(2) The Governor-in-Executive Committee may Special sessions.
direct any Police Magistrate to appoint and hold a sitting
of a licensing authority (to be known as a "Special Licens-
ing Session") on any date appointed by the Governor-in-
Executive Committee.
15. Any sitting of a licensing authority may be Adjournments.
adjourned by such authority or, in the absence of both
members appointed by the Governor-in-Executive Com-
mittee by the Police Magistrate, either generally or in
respect of any specified application to such day or days
as the licensing authority or the Police Magistrate may
determine.
16. The Police Magistrate shall cause notice of a Notice of sittings
sitting of a licensing authority to be published in the
Official Gazette and at least one newspaper of this Island
not less than one month before the date of such sitting,
provided that the provisions of this section shall not
apply to any adjournment of a sitting.
17. No application under this Act shall be accepted Fees on
by, or on behalf of, the Police Magistrate, unless there applications.
is paid upon the lodging of such application the pre-
scribed fee.

Part III


LICENSING PROCEDURE

Grant of Certificates


18. (1) Any person Applications for
(a) desiring to obtain a new licence in re- new Licences and
spect of any premises other than an transfers of
occasional licence,
(b) desiring to obtain a transfer of a
licence from the licensee to himself, or
(c) being the holder of a licence and desir-
ing to transfer his licensed trade from
the licensed premises to other premises
within the same district,
may twenty-one days at least before the day appointed for
the Licensing Sessions make an application in the pre-
scribed form to the Police Magistrate, who shall cause
notice of such application to be published in the Official
Gazette and at least one newspaper of this Island not
less than fifteen days before the day appointed for the
Licensing Sessions.
(2) Every such application shall show the name,
occupation and residence of the applicant and the situa-
tion of the premises and the trade in respect of which
the application is made.
(3) A copy of such application shall be served
by the applicant twenty-one days at least before the day
appointed for the Licensing Sessions upon the police
officer in charge of the district in which are situated
the premises in respect of which the application is made,
and shall, be affixed to such premises, for a period of
at least twenty-one days before the day appointed for
the Licensing Sessions. In the case of an application
to transfer the licensed trade to other premises, a copy
of such application shall also be affixed to the licensed
premises.
19. (1) Any person shall be at liberty to oppose Objections to
the grant, renewal or transfer of a licence, provided that Applications.
he has lodged with the Police Magistrate at least seven
days before the day appointed for the Licensing Sessions
at which such application would in the ordinary course
be heard, a notice in triplicate of his intention so to do,
stating the grounds of objection tq the application.
(2) The Police Magistrate shall cause a copy of
such notice to be served forthwith upon the applicant and
the police officer in charge of the police district in which
are situated the premises in respect of which the applica-
tion is made.



















Witnesses.






1905-5.

Hearing of
applications
1905-5.


Parties who may
appear.







Personal attend-
ance of applicant







Evidence.



Applications
for transfer.
Conditions
of appeals.











Provisional
authority to carry
on business in
case of death.


(3) Notwithstanding that no, such notice has
been lodged with the Police Magistrate or served as afore-
said a licensing authority may consider any objection to
an application made at any time prior to the granting
thereof and may, upon such conditions (which may in-
clude an order as to costs) as the Police Magistrate may
see fit to impose, adjourn the hearing and require the
attendance of the applicant and any other person con-
cerned at the adjourned hearing when the application
may be heard and the objection considered as if such
notice has been so lodged and served as aforesaid.
20. The Police Magistrate shall issue summonses
to any witness to attend the hearing of an application
under this Act free of charge on the application of the
applicant, a member of the police force or a person who
has lodged the notice referred to in section nineteen of
this Act, and any person disobeying such summons may
be proceeded against in like manner and be subject to the
like penalties as provided in the Police Magistrates Act,
1905.
21. The provisions of theI Police IMar'iitrate Act.
1905, generally which relate to summary offences shall,
so far as is possible consistently with the provisions of
this Act. apply to proceedings taken, or the hearing of
any application made, under this Act.
22. The applicant, any member of the police force
and a person who has lodged the notice referred to in
'eeotion nineteen of this Act may appear personally or by
counsel or solicitor on the hearing of an application under
this Act, provided that nothing in this Act contained
shall be construed to exempt from the provisions of the
said section nineteen any member of the police force who
wishes to oppose the grant, renewal or transfer of a
licence.
23. subject as otherwise provided in this Act, no
new licence shall be granted and no licence transferred
from the holder thereof to the applicant unless the appli-
cant attends personally before the licensing authority on
hle hearing of the application, provided that the licensing
authority may dispense with such attendance in the case
of illness or other unavoidable absence or in a case where
the applicant has attended on such hearing, but the appli-
cation has not been finally disposed of on that occasion.
24. All evidence given before the licensing authority
shall be given on oath, and any person giving false evi-
(Olnce shall be liable to be proceeded against and to be
punishable as if he had committed perjury.
25. Notwithstanding any other provisions of this Act,
the Police Magistrate may. if he sees fit, grant any appli-
;-ation under paragraph (b) or paragraph (c) of sub-
section (1) of section eighteen of this Act, provided
that-
(a) No notice under section nineteen of this Act
has been lodged within fourteen days of the
publication of such application in the Official
Gazette, and
(b) The police officer in charge of the. police dis-
trict in which are situated the premises in
respect of which the application is made
certifies in writing to the Police Magistrate
that he has no objection to the grant of such
application.
26. The Police, Magistrate may, on proof to his
satisfaction of the death, insanity, bankruptcy, or in-
capability from sickness or other infirmity of a licensee,
grant a provisional authority upon payment of the pre
scribed fee to some fit and proper person approved by
the Police Magistrate to carry on the business of the
licensee upon the licensed premises under and subject to
the terms of the licence until next Licensing Sessions.







Provided that should such death, insanity, bank-
ruptcy or incapability occur within one month prior to
such Licensing Sessions and no application for trans-
fer of the relevant licence be granted before the conclu-
sion of such Licensing Sessions, such provisional authority
shall continue in force until the next ensuing Licensing
Sessions notwithstanding that the relevant licence would
otherwise have expired prior to thp next ensuing Licens-
ing Sessions.
27. (1) Applications for renewal of licences for the Renewal of
ensuing year shall, subject as otherwise provided in this licenses.
Act, 'be heard at the Licensing Sessions to be held in
December in each year.
(2) Except as otherwise provided in this Act,
all the provisions thereof relating to applications for new
licences shall apply to' applications for renewal of licences.
(3) Except in the case of an application to which
subsection (6) of this section applied, it shall not be
necessary to cause notice of applications for renewal of
licences to be published.
(4) It shall not be necessary for the applicant
for the renewal of a licence to attend personally before
the licensing authority, unless-
(a) a notice under section nineteen of this
Act has been lodged in respect of such
application, or
(h) the Police Magistrate requires the ap-
plicant to attend personally.
(5) The Police Magistrate may, if he sees fit,
grant an application for renewal of a licence, provided
that--
(a) no notice under section nineteen of this
Act has been lodged within the time
prescribed in that subsection, and
(b) the police officer in charge of the police
district in which are situated the prem-
ises in respect of which the application
is made certifies in writing to the Police
Magistrate that he has no objection to
the grant of such application.
(6) If any person fails to make application to
the licensing authority for the 'renewal of a licence within
the time prescribed by this Act, but application is made
before the date on which the licence expires, such appli-
cation may be granted in accordance with the provisions
of this Act. subject to-
(a) payment to the Licensing authority
prior to the grant of such application of
a penalty of an amount equal to the
annual duty payable on the renewal of
such licence as set out in the Schedule
hereto, and
(b) the hearing of such application at a
Special Licensing Session, if necessary
in order to comply with the provisions
of this Act.
28. (1) Except as otherwise provided in this Act,
every application shall be heard by the appropriate applitions.
licensing authority at the Licensing Sessions or Special
Licensing Sessiors at which it would normally be heard
in a lthat nothilln in Ihis subs:ction shall be construed so ai
to restrict in any manner the authority of the licensing
aIthl(rity to adjourn, any sitting.
(2) Subject to the provisions of this Act and Discretion
alny rules thereunder, the granting of an application under as to grant of
this Act shall be at the entire discretion of the liccnsin" applications.
authority or the Police Magistrate, as the ease may be
and upon such conditions and restrictions as may be im-
posed by such licensing authority or Police Magistrate.








Conditions
applicable to
all licences.

















Conditions to be
satisfied prior
to grant.











Applications
not to be
granted in
certain
circumstances.

















1909-2


Only licensing
authority may
refuse
applicant.
Appeal from
decision of
licensing
authority or
Police Magistrate


1900--


29. In addition to any conditions or restrictions im.
posed by the licensing authority o'r the Police Magis-
trate, the following conditions and restrictions shall be
applicable to the grant of all applications and implied in
all licences issued under this Act:-
(a) Every licence shall be issued in respect of
certain premises named and described in the
licence and shall authorise the sale or supply
of intoxicating liquor on such premises only.
(b) Except as provided in this Act, a licence
shall not be transferable.
(c) Every licence of a description mentioned
in section 4 other than a licence of a des-
cription mentioned in paragraph (f) there-
of, shall be subject to and be- deemed to con-
tain a condition that the holder of such li-
cence shall not refuse to sell liquor to any
person who may otherwise lawfully be sup-
plied, on account of the race, colour or creed
of such person.
30. No application shall be granted unless and until
the licensing authority or the Police Magistrate, as the
case may be, is satisfied that-
(a) the applicant is a fit and proper person to
be entrusted to sell intoxicating liquor;
(b) the premises in respect of which the appli-
cation is to be granted a're suitable for the
conduct of business under the particular
kind of licence referred to in the application
and are situated and constructed in accord-
ance with the provisions of this Act or any
regulations made thereunder;
(c) no reasonable objection exists to the grant
of the application.
31. No application shall be granted in any of the
following circumstances-
(a) if the applicant -
(i) is under twenty-one years of age; or
(ii) is disqualified under the provisions of
this Act or any other law from being a
licensee;
(b) if the premises in respect of which the ap-
plication is made-
(i) are part of, or include, premises
wherein any intoxicating liquor is dis-
tilled, brewed or otherwisee manufac-
tured; or
(ii) is within fifty yards of any such prem-
ises or the piece or parcel of land on
which such premises or any part there,
of are situated;
Provided that sub-paragraph (ii) of paragraph
(b) of this section shall not apply to any person who at
the time of the repeal of the Liquor Licences Act, 1909,
was the holder of a licence given under subsection (1)
of section 14 of that Act, in respect of the premises re-
ferred to in such licence.
32. Notwithstanding the provisions of this Act pro-
viding for the granting of certain applications by tC1
Police Magistrate, no application shall be refuse -c:-pt
by the licensing authority.
33. (1) Any applicant, any member of the police
force, or any person who has objected before the licensing
authority to the grant of any application and who is dis-
satisfied with any decision of the licensing authority or
the Police Manistrate in connection with s1,,h application
may appeal therefrom to the Assistant Court of Appeal.
(2) The provisions of the Assistant Court of
Appeal Act, 1900, relating to appeals from Police Mllris-
trates to the Assistant Court of Appeal shall, so far as








applicable and subject to the provisions of this Act and
of any rules made thereunder, apply to any appeal under
subsection (1) of this Section.

Occasional Lioences

34. A licensee, other than a person who holds only Application for
a wholesale licence, may apply to the Police Magistrate occasional
in whose district any public entertainment, festivity or
meeting is to be held for an occasional licence to ca:ry on
Iis trade threat.
35. Such application shall be made at least seven Notice to
days before the date of such public entertainment, fes- lie
tivity or meeting and the Police Magistrate shall forth-
with give notice of the same to the police officer in
charge of the police district in which such public enter-
tainment, festivity or meeting is to be held and no such
application shall be granted until such police officer shall
have had a reasonable opportunity to state whether he
opposes the issue of such licence.
36. The Police Magistrate may, subject to the pro- Police
visions of this section and at his discretion, grant such Magistrate
may grant
application, provide that- application.
(a) any such licence shall be valid for twenty.
four hours only and shall permit the sale of
intoxicating liquor only during the hours
during which such public entertainment, fes-
tivity or meeting is held, and
(b) in the case of a race meeting, the written
permission of at least two of the stewards is
first obtained.
37. For the purposes of sections thirty-four, thirty- Meaning of
five and thirty-six of this Act, the expression "public certa on.
entertainment, festivity or meeting" shall mean an en-
tertainment, festivity or meeting to which the general
public are admitted whether upon payment or otherwise.
38. Subject to the provisions and conditions set out Occasional
in sections thirty-five and thirty-six of this Act, a Mag- licence to
istrate may in like manner and, upon the certificate of person not
already
approval of the police officer in charge of the police dis- licensed.
trict in which are situated the premises in respect of
which the application is made grant an application for
an occasional licence made by the person to sell intox-
icating liquor at any entertainment, meeting or sports
gathering conducted by any association of persons for the
furtherance of the purposes of the association, provided
that -
(a) the Police Magistrate is satisfied that any
profits arising from the sale of such intox-
icating liquor will be wholly used for the
purposes of such association, and
(b) such application is granted subject to the
conditions that such profits will be so used.

Issue of Licences

39. (1) Upon the grant of any application for the Grant of
issue, renewal or transfer of a licence by a licensing au- licence
thority or a Police Magistrate, the licensing authority or
Police Magistrate, as the case may be, upon payment to
him of the appropriate duty as set out in the Schedule
hereto shall issue to the licensee the appropriate licence
under this Act:
Provided that -
(a) in the case of a licence issued in respect
of a whole year or a whole year except the
first quarter thereof, such duty may be paid
in two equal instalments, the first of which
shall be paid upon the issue of such liccnce"
and the second not later than the fir.t day
of July in the same year;


























Recovery of
duty.







Quarterly
returns.


Certain clubs
to be
registered.


Offence



Registers of
members' and
proprietary
clubs.


(b) in the case of a licence, other than an occa-
sional licence, which is issued after the
thirty-first day of March in any year, the
duty payable in respect thereof shall be re-
duced by one fourth in respect of each quar
ter of the year which has expired prior to
the issue of such licence.
(2) Every licence issued under this Act shall
state thereon the conditions and restrictions subject to
which the application in respect of the issue of such licence
has been granted.
(3) No such licence shall be issued after the ex-
piry of a period of three months from the date on which
the application was granted by the licensing authority or
the Police Magistrate, as the case may be, or, in the case
of an appeal from the decision of the licensing authority,
from the date on which such appeal was finally disposed
of.
40. (1) Any duty, or instalment of duty due in
respect of a licence issued under the provisions of this
Act may be recovered by summary proceedings before a
Police Magistrate on the complaint of the clerk to the
licensing authority.
(2) Any licence in respect of which any duty
or installment of duty is due and payable shall be void
for any period during which such duty or installment is
due and payable and remains unpaid.
41. (1) The Accountant General shall cause to be
published in the Official Gazette during the months of
January, April, July and October in every year a return
shewing such particulars as may be prescribed in respect
of all licences other than occasional licences granted
during the preceding quarter of the year.
(2) Production of a copy of the Official Gazette
containing any such return shall be sufficient evidence oi
any fact therein stated as to any licence therein referred
to.

PART IV

CLUBS

42. (1) The secretary of every club which occu-
pies any premises habitually used for the purposes of a
club and in which any intoxicating liquor is supplied to
members or their visitors or guests, shall cause the club
to be registered in the manner provided in this Act.
(2) The registration of a club under this Act
shall not constitute the club' premises licensed premises
nor authorise the sale or supply of intoxicating liquor
therein which would be contrary to the provisions of the
Act or otherwise illegal.
43. (1) Every Police Magistrate shall cause to be kept
separate registers of all registered members' clubs and of
all registered proprietary clubs situated in the district of
such Police Magistrate, but no club shall be entered there-
on without an order to that effect from the Police Magis-
trate or the licensing authority in that district:
Provided that there shall be only one register o2
members' clubs and one register of proprietary clubs ir
respect of District A.
(2) Such register shall contain the following
particulars:-
(a) the name and objects of the club;
(b) the address of the club premises;
(c) particulars of the terms of occupancy of the
club premises;
(d) the name of the Secretary and in addition
in the case of a proprietary club, the name
of the proprietor;
(e) such other particulars as may be prescribed.







44. (1) The Secretary ot every club which is required Application for
to be registered under this Act shall make application to Registration.
the Police Magistrate of the district in which the cluD
premises are situated for an order to the Commissioner ot
Police to enter the club on the appropriate register.
(2) In support of such application, the secretary
shall produce to the Police Magistrate a return signed by
the secretary giving the particulars mentioned in sub-
section, (2) of the last preceding section, and shall attach
thereto-
(a) a copy of the existing rules of the club;
(b) a list of the General Committee and Win"
Committee (if any);
(c) except in the ease of a new club, a certified
copy of an audited balance sheet and revenue
account for the preceding financial year of
the club;
(d) a statement signed by him that there are, or
in the case of a new club there will be, kept
the books and documents required to be kept
in accordance with section fifty-eight of this
Act.
(3) The Secretary shall, if so required give
evidence to the satisfaction of the Police Magistrate, in
verification of the matters mentioned in the last preceding
subsection.
45. The Secretary of a club shall, on application Notice to
to the Police Magistrate for an order to enter a club upon Commissioner.
a register, give to the Police Officer in charge of the Polijee
district in which are situated the premises in respect of
which the application is made twenty-one days' notice of
his intention to apply and shall furnish to him a copy of
the return referred to in subsection (2) of section forty-
four of this Act and such officer or any officer of or above
the rank of inspector authorised by him shall-
(a) verify the particulars contained in such re-
turn;
(b) make enquires to enable him to inform the
Police Magistrate to whom application is
made, upon the matters to be considered by
the Police Magistrate under section forty-
six of this Act;
(c) attend the hearing of the application (if any)
(d) be entitled to object to the making of an order
for registration of the club either generally
or on any of the grounds of complaint set out
in subsection (1) of section fifty-six of
this Act.
46. (1) If the Police Magistrate to whom application Police Magistate
is made is satisfied upon considering such return and any may orderta
report forwarded by the police officer in charge of the registration
police district in which are situated the premises in respect without hearing,
of which the application is made that an order to enter the
club upon the appropriate register should be made, he
shall direct that upon payment of the prescribed fee the
club shall be entered in the appropriate register of clubs.
(2) If the Police Magistrate is not so satisfied he
shall refer such application to the licensing authority for or licensing
hearing at the Licensing Sessions. The licensing authority heat o iaplicmaon.
shall hear any evidence produced on behalf of the club
and such police officer and shall determine whether or not
such order shall be made and if satisfied that such club is
a bona fide members' club or proprietary club as the ease
may be, and that such order should be made shall direct
as aforesaid.
47. (1) The licensing authority may in its discretion Licensing
refuse to direct that any club shall be entered in a register authority may
:f, in its opinion,- refuse registra-
(a) the return prescribed as aforesaid is incomplete; tion in certain
or circumstances.





















Removal of
registered club
to other
premises.





















Alteration
of rules.






Prohibition on
supply of intoxi-
cating liquor in
unregistered
club.

Supply of intoxi-
cating liquor in
registered club.


Issue of club
licences.


(b) the evidence given on behalf of the club as to
the objects of the club or its system of
management or as to the character of the club
premises is unsatisfactory; or
(c) there is satisfactory proof of any of the
grounds of complaint set out in subsection (1)
of section fifty-six of this Act; or
(d) any other good cause is thown.
(2) The licensing authority considering an
application in respect of a members' club, if it is not
satisfied that such club is a bona fide members' club may
direct the registration of such club as a proprietary club
upon the same application and upon payment of the pre-
scribed fee.
4S. (1) The secretary of a registered club may make
application to the Police Magistrate to authorise the re-
moval of the club to premises other than those specified
in the register. The Police Magistrate shall give notice of
such application to the police officer in charge of the poli :c
district in which are situated the premises in respect of
which the application is made and within twenty-one days
of receipt of such notice such officer shall be entitled to
rive to th TPol-e T'p, itrate ae 'l the applicant notice that
he intends to object to such removal.
(2) If, within such period of twenty-one days,
no such notice of objection is given and the Police Magis-
trate is satisfied such removal should be authorised, he
shall authorise such removal and direct the register to be
altered accordingly.
(3) If such notice of objection is given, or if the
Police Magistrate is not so satisfied, the licensing authority
shall consider such application at the Licensing Sessions
and shall hear the evidence produced on behalf of the club
and by the police and shall determine whether or not tc
authorise such removal and direct as aforesaid.
(4) Upon receipt of the order of the Police
Magistrate or the licensing authority, as the ease may be,
end upon payment of such fee as may be prescribed, the
Appropriate register shall be altered accordingly.
49. Any alteration in the rules of a registered l ub
or in any of the particulars required by, or under, this
Act to be recorded in the appropriate register, shall be
notified to the appropriate Police Magistrate and the police
cflicer in charge of the police district by the secretary of
such club within fourteen days of such rules having been
altered or of such alteration in such particulars having
been taken.
50. Notwithstanding any other provision of lav, In
intoxicating liquor shall be supplied or sold to any person
or kept for supply or sale, on the premises of an un-
registered club, whether or not such club has not less
than fifteen members.
51. Notwithstanding any other provision oi law. no
intoxicating liquor shall be supplied or sold to any person
on the premises of a registered club without a licence in
force authorising such supply or sale or contrary to the
terms of any licence granted in respect of such premises.
52. (1) The secretary of 'a registered club may miuk:'
application to the Police Magistrate for a members' club
licence or a proprietary club licence, as the case may be,
to be issued in respect of such club. Such application shall
be in the prescribed form and shall state whether such
club is a members' club, or a proprietary club, and such
other particulars as may be prescribed.
(2) Upon receipt of such application the Police
Magistrale if satisfied that such club is registered shall
notwithstanding any other provision of this Act, issue a
licence in the prescribed form to such club upon such
conditions and restrictions as the Police Magistrate may
in his discretion impose.







53. A club licence shall authorise the club and its Conditions of
officers and servants to sell or supply intoxicating liquor supply under
(a) only on the club premises specified in such club lien
licence,
(b) for consumption on or off such premises to
members of such club whose names are re-
corded in a register of members referred to
in section fifty-eight of this Act,
(c) for consumption only on such premises to
visitors or guests of such members, whose
names are recorded in the register of visitors
and guests referred to in section fifty-eight
of this Act.
54. Applications for renewal of club licences for the Renewal of club
ensuing year shall be made in the prescribed form to the licence
Police Magistrate not later than the thirtieth day of
November in any year. The provisions of subsection (2)
of section fifty-two of this Act shall apply to the grant
of a licence under section thirty-nine hereof in respect
of the renewal of a club licence.
55. (1) On complaint in writing by any person that Club registered
a club which is registered as a members' club is in fact a as a members'
proprietary club, the Police Magistrate may summon the deememda pro-
secretary of such club to appear before him to answer such prietary clnb i
complaint, certain circum-
(2) Upon the hearing of such complaint and after stances.
having heard the evidence produced on behalf of the corn-
plainant and the secretary and, after such further enquiry
(if any) as the Police Magistrate may consider necessary,
if the Police Magistrate is of the opinion that such club is
not a bona fide members' club, then such club shall be
deemed to be a proprietary club and the Police Magistrate
shall direct the registers to be amended accordingly.
(3) If such club holds a members' club licence,
then such licence shall, subject as provided in subsection
(2) of section fifty-seven of this Act, be void and of no
further effect from the date of such order by the Police
Magistrate.
56. (1) Upon complaint in writing by any person R*trtation uf


that-
(a) a registered club has ceased to exist; or
(b) a registered club has less than fifteen members; or
(c) a registered club is not conducted in good faith
as a club; or
(d) a registered club is kept or habitually used for
any unlawful purpose; or
(e) there is a frequent drunkenness on the premises
of a registered club; or
(f) 'illegal sales of intoxicating liquor have taken place
on the premises of a registered club; or
(g) persons who are not members of a registered club
are habitually admitted to such club for the pur-
poses of obtaining intoxicating liquor; or
(h) persons are habitually admitted as members of a
registered club contrary to the provisions in that
behalf contained in the rules of the club; or
(i) the supply of intoxicating liquor in a registered
club is not under the control of the members, of
such club or a Committee appointed by such
members;
the Police Magistrate may summon before him the secre-
tary of such club and such other person or persons
as he may direct or any of them to answer such complaint.
(2) Upon the hearing of such complaint and
after having heard the evidence produced on
behalf of the complainant and any persons so summoned
and after such further enquiry (if any) as the Police
Magistrate may consider necessary, if the Police Magis-
trate, is of the opinion that the matter complained of has
'been satisfactorily established, then he may direct the
registration of such club to be cancelled.


clubs may be
cancelled in cer-
tain circum-
stances.


n







(3) If such club holds a club licence issued
under this Act, then such licence shall, subject as provided
in subsection (2) of section fifty-seven of this Act, then
,be void and of no further effect from the date of such
order by the Police Magistrate.
(4) For the purposes of determining whether a
registclrd club is conducted in good faith as a club, the
Police Magistrate shall have regard to the nature of the
premises occupied by such club.
(5) Wh're the Police Miagistrate makes aL order
striking ; club off the register, the Police Magistrate may,
it he thinks fit, by that order, further direct that the
premises occupied by the club shall not for a specified
period be used for the purposes of any club which requires
to 'be registered under this Act, and such period may
extend, in case of a first order in respect of such premises,
,to twelve months, or in case of a second subsequent ord(:,
to five years: Provided that any such direction may,
for good cause shown, be subsequently cancelled or
varied by the Police Magistrate.
(6) If upon hearing the Police Magistrate is of
the opinion that the complaint was of a frivolous or vexat-
ious nature, the Police Magistrate shall dismiss such
complaint and shall order the complainant to pay to the
1905-5 club such amount by way of costs as the Police Magistrate
may determine. Payment of such costs may be enforced
in the same manner as payment of any sum which a
Police Magistrate may award to be paid under the Police
Magistrates Act, 1905, and the Police Magistrate shall
have the same powers to enforce such payment as under
the said Act.
Appeal from 57. (1) Any party aggrieved by the decision of a
decision of Police Police A agistrate made under section fifty-five or section
Magistrate. fifly-six of this Act may appeal therefrom to the Assis-
itant Court of Appeal in all respects as if such order were
the decision of a licencing authority in connection with
an application made under this Act.
(2) In case of any such appeal, any licence, held
by the club shall continue to be valid and the provisions
of subsection (3) of sections fifty-five and fifty-six of
'this Act shall not operate until any appeal from. such
decision has been finally disposed of.
Books and docu- 58. Every registered club shall keep on the club
ments to be kept premises or at such other place as may be authorised in
)on club premises
writing by the Commissioner of Police -
(a) a register of ordinary or full members show-
ing their addresses, and a record of the latest
payment of their subscriptions;
(b) a separate register of temporary and honor-
ary members and all members other than
-ordinary or full members showing the date
of election and period of membership;
(e) .a copy of the rules of the club with any
subsequent alterations authenticated by the
signature of the secretary;
(d) a register of all visitors and guests of imem-
bers in which shall be recorded the name and
address of all such visitors and guests as
they are admitted to the club premises:
(e) a Minute Book recording the business trans-
acted at all meetings of the Committee and
at general meetings of the members:
(f) all accounts fod intoxicating liquor supplied
to the club during the preceding, six months.
Power to corn- 59. Any officer of police of and above the rank of
missioned officer superintendent or any officer for the time being perform-
to enter upon ing the duties of a superintendent may, at any time
club premises. during such hours as a registered club's premises a.r,
open to members, enter upon the premises and (call for
and inspect all books and documents reonired to be kept
under this Act and take copies of any entry in such hooks
or documents.







60. (1) In the event of the winding up, dissolution
or discontinuance of a registered club the secretary there-
of shall notify the appropriate Police Magistrate of the
date of such winding up, dissolution or discontinuance
within fourteen days of such date.
(2) In the event of the person appointed to be
the Secretary of a registered club ceasing to hold office by
season of death, resignation, dismissal, expiry of term
of office or by any other reason, the chairman of the
Committee of a members' club or the proprietor in the
case of a proprietary club shall notify such fact in writ-
ing, to the appropriate Police Magistrate and also the
name of any successor appointed, within fourteen days
ci the occurrence of either of such events.
61. The Governor-in-Executive Committee may, if
satisfied that a club' which is registered as a proprietary
club is established and carried on by any person for the
benefit of the employees of that person and not for profit
or gain, direct the Police Magistrate to whom an applica-
tion in respect of such club has been made under section
fifl\--two of this Act, that the Police Magistrate shall,
if he sees fit to issue a certificate under that section
issue a certificate in the prescribed form certifying the
grant of a members' club licence instead of a proprietary
club licence.
62. (1) Except as provided in this section, the
provisions of Part III of this Act shall not apply to clubs.
(2) The following provisions of Part III of this
Act shall with any necessary modifications and subject to
the provisions of this part of this Act apply to applications
made and licences issued, in respect of clubs, namely:
Sections twenty, twenty-one, twenty-two, twenty-four,
twenty-eight, twenty-nine, paragraph (b) of section
thirty-one, thirty-two, thirty-three and thirty-nine to
forty-one inclusive.
(3) In applying such provisions -
(a) any reference to an application for the
issue of a licence shall be deemed to include
a reference to an application for registra-
tion of a club;
(b) for the purposes of subsection (1) of section
thirty-nine of this Act, any duty or instal-
ment of duty shall be payable by the secretary
of a registered club.

PART V
POWERS AND DUTIES OF LICENSEES
63. The authority given to any licensee by any
licence in respect of any premises shall extend, in respect
of such premises, to the servant or wife or member of
the family of such licensee resident with him and, in the
case of a registered club, to the officers and servants of
such club.
64. (1) No application for the issue of a licence, or
for the transfer of a licence to other premises shall be
granted unless the licensing authority or the Police Mag-
istrate, as the case may 'be, is satisfied that the premises
concerned are suitable as licensed premises under this
Act. provided that such application may be granted
subject to the condition that, within a period of time
limited in that behalf in such grant, such premises will
hbe altered in such manner as may be specified in such
vrant. including, if the licensing authority or the Police
Magistrate, as the case may be sees fit, provision fc:r the
alteration of such licensed premises so as to have no
means of communication with, or to be separated from,
other premises. or other parts of the licensed premises.
(2) No such application in respect of an hotel
or restaurant licence shall be granted without the pro-
.4tltion to the Police Magistrate of a certificate from the
police officer in charge of the police district in which are


Application to
Commisisoner of
Police of discon-
tinuance of a club
or change of
secretary.









Employees' clubs










Except for
certain provis-
ions Part III not
applicable to
clubs.


Persons
authorised to act
under licence.



Suitability of
premises to be
licensed premises











Certificate with
respect to hotels
and restaurants.












Signboards
set up by
licensee.






Notices on
premises.





Employment
young person


situated the premises in respect of which the application
is made that the premises sought to be licensed are bona
fide, an hotel or restaurant, as the case may be, and suit-
able to be licensed as such.
to be 65. Every licensee other than a registered club shall
before selling or supplying any intoxicating liquor or
permitting the same to be sold or supplied, under the
licence held by such licensee, set up and affix a signboard
on some conspicuous part of the front of the licensed
premises, such board to have the number of the licence,
the name of the licensee and the words "Licensed
Seller of Liquors" printed thereon in white letters not
less than two inches high on a black back-ground.
66. Any notice required by or under this Act to be
affixed to any premises shall be printed in large type or
clearly typewritten and shall be affixed in a conspicuous
place or places on such premises. In the case of prem-
ises which have entrances on more than one side of the
building, such notices shall be affixed on each side having
such an entrance.
of 67. (1) No person under the age of eighteen years
Ins. shall be employed in connection with the sale or supply of
intoxicating liquor on any premises in respect of which
a retail, members' club or proprietary club licence is
granted.
(2) No person under the age of eighteen years
shall be wholly or mainly employed in serving intoxicat-
ing liquor on any premises in respect of which a restaur-
ant or hotel licence is granted.
sons 68. (1) Any licensee or his servant or agent may
used refuse to admit to, or may turn out of, the licensed prem.
or ises any person who is drunk, violent, quarrelsome or dis-
orderly, or any person whose presence on the licensed
premises would be in contravention of any of the pro-
visions of this Act.
(2) Any constable shall, on the demand of such
licensed person or his servant or agent as aforesaid, expel
or assist in expelling, such person from such premises
and may use such force as may be required for that
purpose.
xicat- 69. No licensee or the servant or agent of a licensee
may shall receive any intoxicating liquor save by lawfully
by importing the same or from some other person licensed
under this Act, or having other legal authority, to sell
such liquor.

PART VI

OFFENCES

70. (1) Any person who -
(a) not being a licensee, except as otherwise,
authorised under this Act, either personally
or by a servant or other person on his be
half, deals in, retails, sells, barters, exposes
or offers for sale or barter or has in his
possession or on any premises for purposes
of sale or barter any intoxicating liquor;
(b) being in the occupation of any house, prem-
ises, building, room or other place, or acting
by the direction of such occupier, or being
a servant or other person in the employment
of such occupier refuses or fails to admit
into or upon such house, premises, building,
room or other place or wilfully impedes,
resists, or obstructs in his search or inspec-
tion the Accountant General, any Inland
Revenue Officer or officer of the Customs
Department, Police Magistrate or police
officer or constable when in the execution of
his duty;
(c) being a licensee or other person authorised
S to-sell or supply intoxicating liquor under
the authority of a licence--


Certain per
may be ref
admittance
ejected.


Offence by
drunkards.
Constables
to assist.

What into
ing liquors
be received
licensee.


Offences.







(i) sells or supplies or exposes for sale
any intoxicating liquor contrary to the
provisions of this Act, or of any regu-
lations made thereunder, or to the terms
or conditions of such licence;
(ii) knowingly harbours, or knowingly suf-
fers to remain on the licensed premises
any police constable during any part of
the time appointed for such constable
being on duty, unless for the purpose
of keeping or restoring order or in the
execution of his duty, or supplies any
liquor or refreshments whether by way
of gift or sale to any police constable
on duty or bribes or attempts to bribe
any police constable;
(iii) fails to admit to the licensed premises
on demand the Accountant General, any
Inland Revenue officer or officer of the
Customs Department, Police Magistrate
or police officer or constable when in
the execution of his duty, or obstructs,
hinders, misleads or assaults any such
person when in the execution of his
duty;
(iv) permits the licensed premises to be, or
to be used as, a brothel;
(v) knowingly permits his premises to be
the habitual resort or place of meeting
of reputed prostitutes, whether the ob-
ject of their resorting or meeting is or
is not prostitution;
(vi) sells or supplies any intoxicating liquor
to be consumed on the licensed premises
to any person who is under sixteen
years of age;
(vii) suffers any unlawful games to be car-
ried on on the licensed premises, or
opens, or keeps, or uses, or suffers the
licensed premises to be opened, kept, or
used in contravention of the provisions
of the Gaming Act, 1891; 1891-4
(viii) suffers any gaming to be carried on on
the licensed premises, being premises
licensed otherwise than under a c'ub
licence;
(ix) (permits drunkenness, or any violent,
quarrelsome, disorderly or riotous con-
duct to take place on the licensed prem-
ises, or sells any intoxicating liquor to
any drunken person;
(x) mixes or permits any intoxicating liquor
to be mixed with any ingredient or ma-
terial so as to render such liquor injuri-
ous to health with intent that the same
may be sold in that state or sells or sup-
plies or exposes for sale any intoxicating
liquor so mixed as aforesaid;
(d) being a licensee, or the servant or agent of
a licensee, shall receive any intoxicating
liquor contrary to the provisions of section
sixty-nine of this Act;
shall be guilty of an offence and shall, in addition to any
punishment to which he may be liable under any other
law. be liable on summary conviction to a fine net exceed-
ing two hundred dollars or to imprisonment for a period
not exceeding three months.
(2) If any person is convicted of an offence
under subparagraph (iv) of paragraph (c) of subsection
(1) of this section, the Police Magistrate, shall, in addi-
tion to any other penalty, order that the licence issued
in respect of the licensed premises shall be forfeited.
(3) If any person is convicted of any other
offence under paragraph (b) of subsection (1) of this
section the Police Magistrate may, in addition to any







other penalty, order that the licence issued in respect of
the licensed premises shall be forfeited, and shall so
order in the case of a second or subsequent offence under
such paragraph in respect of a licence held by the same
licensee.
J4) Whenever a licence is forfeited in conse-
quence of a conviction for an offence under this section,
the licensee may by order of the court by which he is tried
be disqualified for any period from holding any licence.
Offence of 71. Any person who delays, obstructs, or otherwise
obstructing interferes with any member of the police force in the
officers. execution of any duty imposed or power conferred by this
Act, shall be guilty of an offence and shall on summary
conviction be liable to a fine not exceeding fifty dolla,:s.
Selling ruin near 72. (1) Any person who shall sell rum in any place
distillery, within fiity yards from the nearest distillery otherwise
than under the authority of a licence granted pursuant
to the proviso to section thi:ty-one of this Act, shall be
guilty of an offence and shall be liable on summary con-
viction to a fine not exceeding five hundred dollars, and,
if a licensee, shall forfeit his licence.
Licence to be (2) If any licensee shall be convicted of an
forfeited. offence under subsection (1) of this section, or of being a
party to such offence, the Police Magistrate shall in addi-
tion to any other penalty, order his licence to be fo:-
feited.
Offence to fail to 73. If any licensee shall fail to comply with any of
affix proper sign- the provisions of section sixty-five of this Act, he shall
board, on summary conviction be liable to a fine not exceeding
iten dollars for each day during which he has failed to
comply with such provisions.
Offence to 74. If any licensee shall contravene the provisions
employ young of section sixty-seven of this Act, he shall on summary
people, conviction be liable to a fine not exceeding ten dollars for
eachh day during which he has contravened such pro-
visions.
Refusal to 75. If any licensee shall fail to produce his licence
produce licence to the Accountant General, any Inland Revenue Officer,
to Accountant officer of the Customs Department, Police Magistrate or
General, etc. member of the police force when such last mentioned
pe,son is on licensed premises in the execution of his duty
and has called for such licence, or if any person shall in
any way obstruct, hinder or prevent such Accountant
General, Inland Revenue Officer, officer of the Customs
Department, Police Magistrate, ot member of the police
force, as the case may be, from inspecting such licence,
then such licensee or other person as aforesaid shall be
guilty of an offence and shall 'be liable on summary
conviction to a fine not exceeding one hundred dollars.
Refusal to quit 76. Any person who, upon being requested pursuant
licensed premises to section sixty-eight of this Act by a licensee or his agent
or servant or any police constable to quit the licensed
premises refuses or fails to do so, shall on summary con-
viction be liable to a fine not exceeding twenty dollars.
Wholesaler 77. Any person who, being a licensee or other
permitting person authorised to, sell or supply intoxicating liquor
consumption under the authority of a wholesale licence, permits or
on premises, suffers any other person to whom he has sold or supplied
intoxicating liquor to drink such liquor or any part thereof
on the licensed premises, shall be guilty of an offence
and shall on summary conviction be liable to a fine not
exceeding one hundred dollars.
Failure to close 78. Any person who, being a licensee or other
when ordered person authorised to supply intoxicating liquor under
during riot, etc. the authority of a licence and having been ordered by a
Police Magistrate or a justice of the peace to, close the
licensed premises in consequence of a riot or tumult o':
expected riot or tumult, keeps open his licensed premni-
ses during any time at which the Police Magistrate or
justice of the peace has ordered them to be closed, shall
be guilty of an offence and shall on summary conviction
be liable to a fine not exceeding one hundred dollars or to
imprisonment for a term, not exceeding three months.







79. Any person who supplies intoxicating liquor or Offence to supply
keeps such liquor for supply or sale, contrary to the pro- intoxicating
visions of section fifty of this Act, shall be guilty of unregistered
an offence and shall on summary conviction be liable to club.
a fine not exceeding two hundred dollars or to imprison-
ment for a term not exceeding three months.
SO. If in any registered club there is not kept on the Offence of club
club premises any of the records referred to in section fifty- records not kept
eight of this Act or the entries in any such record are not or maintained
maintained up-to-date, then the secretary of such club up-to-date.
shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not ex-
ceeding five dollars for every day or part of a day during
which any such record is not so kept or any such entries
not so, maintained up-to-date, as the case may be.
81. (1) Any secretary of a club who fails to ,omply Offence for
with the provisions of subsection (1) of section sixty secretary etc.
not to notify
of this Act shall on summary conviction be liable to a winding up etc.
fine not exceeding fifty dollars.
(2) Any chairman of the committee of a mem-
bers' club or proprietor of a proprietary club who fails
to comply with the provisions of subsection (2) of section
sixty of this Act shall on summary conviction be liable to
a fine not exceeding fifty dollars.
82. If any person is convicted of any offence under Forfeiture of
sections seventy-three, seventy-four, seventy-five, seventy- licence.
seven or seventy-eight of this Act, the Police Magistrate
may, in addition to any other penalty, order that the
licence issued in respect of the licensed premises shall
be forfeited, and shall so, order in the case of a second or
subsequent offence under the same section in :respect of a
licence held by the same licensee.

PART VII

ENFORCEMENT AND PROCEDURE


83. (1) Subject to the provisions of sub-section (3)
of this section, the Accountant General, the Comptroller
of Customs, any officer authorized by the Comptroller of
Customs, any Police Magistrate or any member of the
police force may at any time enter any licensed premises
and inspect the same for the purpose of ensuring that the
provisions of this Act are being complied with.
(2) Any such person may, if he has reasonable
:cause to suspect that any person is hawking or selling any
intoxicating liquor in any street, road, thoroughfare or
public place, or exposing any intoxicating liquor for sale
in any manner prohibited by this Act, arrest such person,
or cause him to be arrested, and seize any such liquor or
cause such liquor to be seized. Any person so arrested
shall forthwith be taken before a Police Magistrate to be
dealt with according to law and any intoxicating liquor
so seized shall upon any conviction in respect thereof, be
forfeited to the Crown.
(3) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsoe-
tion (1) of this section, no member of the police force
shall enter the premises of any registered club pursuant
to the powers conferred by this section unless he is, or is
accompanied by, an officer of, or above, the rank of Super-
intendent or an officer for the time being performing the
duties of a Superintendent.
84. (1) If upon information given on oath it ap-
pears to any Police Magistrate that there is reasonable
cause for suspecting that-
(a) any intoxicating liquor is kept for the pur-
pose of sale by a person not authorised by
a, licence in that behalf or by any licensed
person in any premises not specified in his
licence or is kept in any manner not author-
ised by his licence, or


Power of officers
to enter premises.





Selling in
public places.















Search Warrant


































































Proceedings to be
summary.


(b) that any intoxicating liquor is sold or sup-
plied or kept for sale or supply upon the
premises of an unregistered club, or
(c) that any registered club is so managed or
carried on as to constitute a ground for
striking it off the register, or
(d) there is a violation of any provision of this
Act:
then in any such case, such Police Magistrate may by
warrant under his hand directed to any member of the
police force authorise such member of the police force
to enter and search any premises referred to in such in-
formation and such warrant may, if the Police Magistrate
thinks fit, specially authorise the entry and search of such
premises at any hour of the day or night and, if he thinks
fit he may by such warrant specially authorise such mem-
ber of the police force, with or without assistance, to
break open or otherwise use force in order to effect any
entry to such premises;
Provided that no such warrant authorising entry
of the premises of a registered club shall be directed to
any member of the police force below the rank of Superin-
tendent, but this proviso shall not prevent the officer to
whom such warrant is directed from having any other
member of the police force to assist him upon the entry
and search of such premises.
(2) If, upon search under a warrant issued
pursuant to paragraph (a) or (b) of subsection (1) of
this section, any such intoxicating liquor is found, it shall
be lawful for the member of the police force executing
the warrant to take possession of such liquor and any
vessel used for holding or measuring such liquor, and
he may apprehend and bring before a Police Magistrate
not only the person in occupation of the premises where
the same are found, but also every person found in such
premises, who appears to have been employed or assisting
in the selling or supplying of intoxicating liquor. Unless
it be made to appear to such Police Magistrate that such
intoxicating liquor was not deposited for the purpose of
being kept, sold or supplied in such premises, the person
in occupation of such premises and every person so appear-
ing to have been employed or assisting in the selling or
supplying thereof in such premises shall be guilty of an
offence and shall upon summary conviction be liable to a
fine not exceeding five hundred dollars.
(3) If upon search under a warrant issued pur-
suant to paragraph (c) or paragraph (d) of subsection
(1) of this section, the member of the police force execu-
ting the warrant is of opinion that illegal supply or sale
of liquor has taken place then it shall be lawful for him
to take possession of any intoxicating liquor which he is
of opinion has been illegally supplied or sold or supplied
for such purpose or any vessel used for holding or meas-
uring the same.
(4) All intoxicating liquor taken possession of
pursuant to this section, together with all vessels used for
holding or measuring the same, or in any way in. and about
the selling thereof, shall upon any conviction in respect
thereof be forfeited to the Crown.
(5) Every warrant under this section shall re-
main in force for one month from the date thereof, and
it shall be no defence to any charge that the liquor found
in the premises was deposited or brought thereon after the
issue of the warrant.
85. (1) All proceedings for any offence under this
Act and for the recovery of any penalty or forfeiture un.
der this Act shall be brought before ai court of summary
jurisdiction, and in the case of proceedings for an offence,
before such a court having jurisdiction in the place where
the offence was committed.
(2) Save as otherwise provided all proceedings
may be prosecuted on the complaint of the Accountant
general. any Inland Revenue Officer or officer of the
Customs; Department, Police Magistrate, or police officer
or constable.








86. No proceedings for any offence under this Act Limitation for
may be commenced later than one year after the commission prosecution.
of such offence.
87. (1) The Police Magistrate shall issue all sum- Summonses etc.
monses, copies of proceedings or other necessary legal to be issued free
documents required by any of the persons charged with of costs.
official duties under this Act in carrying out the provisions
thereof free of all cost or charge to any such person.
(2) Cosis shall not be imposed on the persons No costs on
charged with official duties under this Act in prosecuting officiias prosecut-
complaints, unless such complaints shall be dismissed by ing unless con-
any court on the ground of being frivolous or vexatious plaints frivolous
or contrary to the provisions of this Act. etc.
88. In proceedings for any offence or the recovery Miode of
of any penalty under this Act for selling or supplying describing cer-
on sale intoxicating liquors without a licence, or in a tain offences.
manner unauthorized by a licence, it shall be sufficient
to allege that the defendant sold either beer, spirits,
or wine. without having in force a licence author-
ising him so to do; and it shall not be necessary further
or otherwise to describe the offence.
89.(1) In proving the sale or consumption of intoxi- Evidence of sale
rating liquor in any proceedings for an offence or the or consumption.
recovery of any penalty or forfeiture under this Act,
it shall not be necessary to shew that any money actually
passed or that liquor was actually consumed if the Police
Magistrate hearing the case is satisfied that a transaction
in the nature of a sale actually took place.
(2) In proving consumption of intoxicating
liquor, it shall be sufficient to shew that consumption was
about to take place.
(3) Proof that some person other than the occu-
piers or a, member of the family or a servant of the
occupier, consumed or was about to consume intoxicating
liquor on licensed premises or carried away, or was about
to carry away, intoxicating liquor from such premises,
shall be evidence that such liquor was sold to such
person.
(4) If an intoxicating liquor, for the sale of
which a licence is required is sold in any premises by
any person who is unknown or is not licensed for that
purpose, the occupier of the premises, if privy or con-
senting to the sale, shall, in any proceedings for any
offence or for the recovery of any penalty or forfeiture
itnder this Act, be deemed to be the seller of the same. Onus of proof in
90. In any proceedings under this Act, for any respect of
offence of keeping, selling or otherwise dealing with in- licence.
toxicating liquor without, or contrary to the authority of,
a licence, or otherwise contrary to the provisions of this
Act, the onus of proving that he was licensed so to keep,
sell or deal with such liquor, shall lie on the defendant.
91. In order to warrant the conviction of any person Presumption as
for an offence contrary to paragraph (a) of subsection (1) to offence under
of section seventy of this Act, it shall be sufficient, in section 70 (1) (a)
the absence, of evidence to the contrary, to prove that some
other person other than the occupier of or servant in such
place or premises shall, at the time charged, have been
found in such place or premises drinking or having had
intoxicating Eiquor supplied to him therein, and that such
place or premises is or are by repute kept for the purpose
of selling intoxicating liquor contrary to the provisions of
this Act, or that such place or premises at the time charged,
contained drinking utensils and fittings usually found in
licensed premises.ale of condemn
., Bale of condemn-
92. All intoxicating liquor and vessels forfeited by ed liquor etc.
cr under the provisions of this Act shall be sold or other-
wvise disposed of by or under the directions of the Comp-
troller of Customs and no action shall lie in respect of suc;i
sale or disposal. Power to close
Power to close
93. Any Police Magistrate or a justice of the peace licensed premises
in any place where any riot or tumult occurs, or is reason- In cases of riot.
.ably expected by such Police Magistrate or justice of the
peace to occur may order every licensee in or near to such
place to close his licensed premises during such time as
















Exemptions






























Forfeiture of
licence for breach
of condition












Operation of Act



Repeal Act
1909-2
Saving of existing
licenses


such Police Magistrate or justice of the peace may order,
and any person acting in obedience to such order may use
such force as may be necessary for the purpose of closing
the licensed premises.

PART VIII

GENERAL

94. Nothing it this Act shall apply to-
(a) the sale of intoxicating liquor by virtue of
any legal process or any law authorising
such sale;
(b) the sale of pure alcohol or medicated spirits
made up in medicine and sold by a regis-
tered medical practitioner or a chemist and
druggist;
(c) the sale of any intoxicating liquor which
forms part of the estate of a deceased person
provided that such sale has been authorised
by a Police Magistrate having jurisdiction
in the place where such sale is to take ijiae,;
(d) the sale of intoxicating liquor on board any
ship outside the limits of any port of this
Island for consumption on board such ship;
(e) the sale of intoxicating liquor to passengers
on board any ship within the limits of any
port in the Island for a period not exceeding
seventy-two hours for consumption on board
such ship or for any extended period which
the Comptroller of Customs may authorize;
(f) the sale or supply of intoxicating liquor at
a mess or canteen of the Barbados Regi-
ment or the Barbados Police Force approved
of as such mess or canteen by the Governor-
in-Executive Committee;
(g) the sale at a distillery or brewery by a dis-
tiller or brewer of the spirits distilled or
malt liquor brewed by him at such distillery
or brewery if such sale is to the holder of
a wholesale licence.
95. (1) Upon complaint in writing to a Police
Magistrale that a li ensec or other person authorised to
sell or supply intoxicating liquor under the authority of
a licence has committed a breach of or failed to comply
with, any condition or restriction imposed in such licence
under the provision of this Act, the Police Magistrate
shall enquire into such complaint, and, if satisfied that
the licensee has committed a breach of, or failed to comply
with any such condition or restriction, shall order that
such licence shall be forfeited.
(2) Any party aggrieved by the decision of a
Police Magistrate under this section may appeal there-
from to the Assistant Court of Appeal.
(3) In case of any such appeal, such licence
shall continue to be valid until such appeal has been finally
disposed of.
96. This Act shall come into force on such date as
the Governor may appoint by proclamation published in
the Official Gazette, and different days may be appointed
for different provisions of this Act and for different pur-
poses.
97. Subject as hereinafter provided, the Liquor Li-
cences Act ,1909, is hereby repealed:
Provided that all licences issued under that Act and
in operation at the date of the coming into force of this
section shall continue in operation until the thirty-first
day of December, one thousand nine hundred and fifty-
and shall then expire, and until that date the pro-
visions of the Liquor Licences Act, 1909, applicable to such
licenses shall, notwithstanding the repeal of that Act, be
deemed to continue in operation with such modifications
as circumstances may require.







98. Notwithstanding the coming into force of this Savings as to
Act the provisions of this Act relating to clubs shall not clubs
prior to the first day of January one thousand nine hun-
dred and fifty- apply to any club (including a club
consisting of less than fifteen members) in existence on
the coming into force of this Act:
Provided that notwithstanding the provisions of this
section, any club may prior to such date apply for and
be granted, registration or a licence under this Act.
Provided further that on and after such date all the
provisions of this Act shall apply to all such clubs, whether
or not they have applied for, or been granted, registration
or a licence prior to such date.
99. (1) The Governor-in-Executive Committee may Regulations.
make regulations for carrying out the purposes of this
Act.
(2) Without prejudice to the generality of the
foregoing provisions, such regulations may provide for-
(a) conditions or restrictions of any nature
whatsoever to be inserted in all licences
or in all licences of a specified class or
classes or in all licences of a specified
class or classes issued for a specified
area;
(b) the situation, construction and lay out
of licensed premises including provision
for the separation of licensed premises
from other premises or other parts of the
same premises;
(c) standards of accommodation or amenities
to be provided on licensed premises or
any class of licensed premises;
(d) the admission of visitors as guests or
temporary members of members' clubs
or proprietary clubs;
(e) fees to be paid in respect of applica-
tions, hearings, orders, registration of
clubs and generally in respect of mat
ters and proceedings ufder this Act;
(f) prescribing forms for use in proceed-
ings and matters made under this Act;
(g) prescribing for returns to be furnished
for the purposes of this Act.
(3) Any regulations made under this Act shall
be laid before both Houses of the Legislature within four
teen days next after they are made if the Houses of the
Legislature are sitting and if the Houses of the Legislature
are not then sitting, within fourteen days after the comn
mencement of the next ensuing sitting.
(4) If within a period of forty days beginning
with the day on which any such Regulations are so laid
before it, either House of the Legislature resolves that the
Regulations be. annulled, they shall thenceforth be void,
but without prejudice to the validity of anything previous-
ly done thereunder or to the making of new' Regulations.
(5) In reckoning any such period of forty days
no account shall be taken of any time during which the
Legislature are dissolved or prorogued or during which
either House is adjourned for more than seven days.

Read three times and passed the General Assembly
the day of one
thousand nine hundred and fifty-


Speaker.








SCHEDULE


Sections 7 and 8.


Duty payable in respect of Licences


Wholesale Licence
Retail Licences ....


.... .... $200 per annum
.... .... $ 50 ,


Hotel Licence in respect of
an hotel containing-


(a) up to ten bedrooms .. $ 50
(b) eleven to fifty bedrooms .... $100
(c) over fifty bedrooms .... $150


Restaurant Licence ....
Occasional Licence ....
Members Club Licence ....
Proprietary Club Licence ....
Druggist Licence ....


$ 50
$ 5
$ 5
S $100
.... $ 10


,, ,,
a day
per annum
,, ,,
,, ,,
VY 92
fI 70




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