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VOL. XCII.


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NOTICE No. 47 -(second publication)
MEETING OF LEGISLATURE
The Legislative Council will meet on Tuesday
29th January, 1957 at 2.00 o'clock p.m.
The House of Assembly will meet on Tuesday
29th January, 1957 at 3 o'clock p.m.


NOTICE No. 51
GOVERNMENT NOTICES
Leave
D. A. Wiles, Permanent Secretary, Ministry of
Communications, Works and Housing, eight days'
duty leave with effect from 26th January, 1957.
(M.P. L. 908)


NoTcE No. 52
LIQUOR LICENSE NOTICES
(Transfer)
The application of Carlton Brathwaite of
Silver Sands, Christ Church, purchaser of liquor
license No. 1141 of 1957 granted to Muriel Brath-


waite in respect of a. board and shingled house
situated at Silver Sand, Christ Church withinFDis-
trict "B" for permission to use the said license at
'ueh last described premises.
Dated this 25th day of January 1957.
To:-C. L. WALWYN, Esq.,
Police Magistrate, Dist. "B".
LYALL C. BEST,
for Applieant .
N.B.-This application will be considered at th-
Licensing Court to be held on Wednesday the' 6th
day of February, 1957 at 11.00 o'clock a.m. at Poli-e
Court Dist. "B".
C. L. WALWYN,
Police Magistrate Dist.. "B."

(Transfer)
The application of Sinclair Lionel Davis, shop-
keeper, of Jackson, St. Michael, purchaser of liquor
license No. 465 of 1957 granted to Shirley Nathaniel
Bootman in respect of bottom floor of a two storey
wall building at Tudor Street, City for permission.
to sell Spirits, Malt Liquors, &c., with said liquor
license at a board and shingled shop with residence
attached at Jackson, St. Michael.
Dated this 25th day of January 1957.
To:- Miss M. E. BOURNE,
Police Magistrate Dist. "A."
S. L. DAVIS
Applicant
N.B.-This application will be considered at a
Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, Distriec
"A," on Tuesday the 5th day of February 1957
at 11 o'clock, a.m.
M. E. BOURNE,
Police Magistrate, Dist. "A."


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LIQUOR LICENSE NOTICES--Cont'd

The application of Lionel A. Lynch, Carpenter
of Burke's Gap, Brittons Hill, St. Michael for
permission to sell Spirits, Malt Liquors, &e., at a
board and shingled shop with Shed roof attached
at Garnett Street, City.

Dated this 28th day of January 1957.

To:-C. A. ROCHEFORD, Esq.,
Acting Police Magistrate, Dist. "A."

CLYDE MAYNARD,
for Applicant

N.B.-This application will le considered at a
Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, District
"A," on Friday the 8th day of February 1957
at 11 o'clock, am.
C. A. ROCHEFORD,
Ag. Police Magistrate, Dist. "A".

The application of Egla Knight, Shopkeeper,
of the "Y" Clapham, St. Moichael for permission
to sell Spirits, Malt Liquors, &c., at a board and
galvanized shop with residence attached at the
"Y" Clapham, St. Michael.

Dated this 28th day of January, 1957.

To:- Miss M. E. BOURNE,
Police Magistrate Dist. "A."

DOUGLAS DURANT for EiGLA KNIGHT
Applicant

N.B.-This application will be considered at a
Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, District
"A," on Friday the 8th day of February 1957
at 11 o'clock, a.m.

M. E. BOURNE,
Police Magistrate, Dist. "A."


NOTICE No. 53

NOTICE

IS HEREBY GIVEN that Gwendolyn Augusta
Dottin of Greens in the parish of Saint George has
petitioned his Lordship the acting Chief Judge of
the Court of Ordinary of this Island for a (Grani
of Letters of Administration to the Estate of
ALFRED DOTTIN late of this Island deceased
who died in this Island on the 16th day of July
1956 intestate.

AND NOTICE is further given that an er
parte application for such Letters of Administration
will be made to the Court of Ordinary on Friday
the 8th day of March 1957 at 11 o'clock in the
forenoon.

Dated this 28th day of January 1957.

D. P. LYNCH,
Petitioner's Proctor.


NoTICg No. 44 -(third publication)

NOTICE

IS HEREBY GIVEN that JEMIMA GOOD
RIDGE of Westbury Road in the parish of Saint
Michael in this Island has petitioned the Honourable
the Chief Judge of the Court of Ordinary of this
Island for a grant of Letters of Administration of
all and singular the estate and effects of Norman St.
Clair Goodridge late of Westbury Road in the said
parish of Saint Michael and Island aforesaid who
died in this Island on the 3rd day of April 1956 in-
testate.
AND NOTICE IS FURTHER GIVEN that an
ex part application for such Letters will be made to
the Court of Ordinary on Friday the 8th day of Feb-
ruary 1957 at 11 o'clock in the forenoon.

Dated this 21st day of January 1957.

ALFRED H. CLARKE
Petitioner's Proctor


Normon No. 45 (third publication)

NOTICE

IS HEREBY 'GIVEN that GRACE BUSHELL
of Church Village in the parish of Saint Philip in
this Island has petitioned the Honourable the Chief
Judge of the Court of Ordinary of this Island for a
grant of Letters of Administration of all and singular
the estate and effects of Frederick Adolphus Bushell
late of Church Village in the said parish of Saint
Philip and Island aforesaid who died in this Island
on the 11th day of September 1955 intestate.
AND NOTICE IS FURTHER GIVEN that aa
ex parte application for such Letters will be made to
the Court of Ordinary on Friday the 8th day of Feb-
ruary 1957 at 11 o'clock in the forenoon.

Dated this 21st day of January 1957.

ALFRED H. CLARKE,
Petitioner's Proctor.


NOTICE No. 46 -(third publication)

NOTICE

IS HEREBY GIVEN that IRENE CHRIS-
TINE BOYCE of Rose Hill in the parish of Saint
Peter in this Island has petitioned the Hon'urablo
the Chief Judge of the Court of Ordinary of this
Island for a grant of Letters of Administration of all
and singular the estate and effects of Egbert Rufus
Oscar Boyce late of Rose Hill in the said parish of
Saint Peter and Island aforesaid who died in this
Island on the 23rd day of April 1956 intestate.
AND NOTICE IS FURTHER GIVEN that an
ex part application for such Letters will be made
to the Court of Ordinary on Friday the 8th day of
February 1957 at 11 o'clock in the forenoon.

Dated this 21st day of January 1957.

ALFRED H. CLARKE,
Petitioner's Proctor.


JANwiaY 28, 1957


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JAuAR 28,_ 197 FFCALGAETE


NOTICE No. 5 -(eighth publication)

INCOME TAX NOTICE

Notice is hereby given in accordance with s'.c
tion 24, Income Tax Act, 1921, that income tix .:c
tuIrns are required from
(a) all resident companies whether inc..i-
porated or unincorporated, societies,
trusts or persons engaged in ani trade,
business or profession;
(b) all non-resident companies whether in-
corporated or unincorporated, socie-
ties, trusts, or persons engaged in any
trade, business or profession or having
income arising in this island;
(c) all owners of land or property whether
a taxable income has accrued during
the past year or not;
(d) all married men who are living with
or wholly maintaining their wives whose
income including the wife's income js
$1,300 or over for the past year;
(e) all other persons whose income is
$720 or over for the past year.
Forms of return may be obtained from the
Inland Revenue Department, Bridge Street,
AFTER THE 1ST DAY OF JANUARY, 1957,
and the forms duly filled in must be delivered to me
on or before the following respective dates:-
1. Returns of persons whose books were
closed on the 31st day of December, 1956,
on or before the 31st day of March, 1957.
2. Returns of persons whose principal place
of business is not situate in the island on
or before the 30th day of June, 1957.
3. Returns of all other persons, on or l-efore
the 31st day of January, 1957.
N. D. OSBORNE,
Acting Commissioner of Inland Revenue.
FORMS to be used-
Use WHITE form if you are in receipt of emol-
uments which will be subject to Pay As
You Earn deductions.
Use PINK form (a) if you are engaged in
trade or business as a
Proprietor or Partner.
(b) if return is submitted on
behalf of a limited liabil-
ity COMPANY.
Use GREEN form in all other cases.
Note:-
(1) Any person failing to make his return
within the due date will be liable to a fins
not exceeding $480.00 and not less than
$9.60.
(2) Except in cases where the owner of the
income is incapacitated and/or the per-
mission of the Commissioner has been
obtained to signature by another person,
the form must be signed by the person
whose income is returned.
(3) Either the husband or the wife may re-
quest the Commissioner by notice in
writing on or before the date prescribed
for the delivery of the return to divide the
tax and issue separate assessment notices.
(4) Any person who is not domiciled in this
island and who, although not having resided
here for six months during 1956, would
still be regarded as resident for taxation
purposes, may claim, on or before the date
prescribed for the delivery of the retu n.
to be charged as a non-resident.


NOTICE No. 349


-(fifth publication)

NOTICE

Re the Estate of


MATILDA THERESA TAYLOR,
Deceased

NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that all persons
having any debt or claim against the Estate of
Matilda Theresa Taylor, deceased late of Bank Hall
Cross Road in the parish of Saint Michael in this
island who died on the 13th day of October, 1956,
are requested to send in particulars of their claims
duly attested to the undersigned Winston Orville
Haynes C/o. Messrs. Haynes & Griffith, Solicitors,
No. 12 High Street, Bridgetown, on or before the
31st. day of January 1957, after which day I shall
proceed to distribute the assets of the deceased
among the parties entitled thereto having regard
only to such claims of which I shall then have had
notice and I will not be liable for the assets or any
part thereof so distributed to any person of whose
debt or claim I shall not then have had notice.

And all persons indebted to the said estate are
requested to settle their said indebtedness without
delay.

Dated this 30th day of November, 1956.

WINSTON ORVILLE HAYNES
Qualified Executor of the Will of
Matilda Theresa Taylor deceased.



NOTICE No. 361 --(sixth publication)

NOTICE

Estate of
CYRIL GEORGE BEASLEY
deceased

NOTICE IS IIEREBY GIVEN that the persons
having any debt or claim affecting the estate ,f
Cyril George Beasley late of Number 9, Greystones
Flats, Hastings who died in this island on the oth
day of August 1956, are hereby required to send
in particulars of their claims duly attested to the
undersigned c/o David Thomas, Owen & Company
29 Station Road, Llanrwst, North Wales on or before
the 6th day of February 1957 after which date I
shall proceed to distribute the assets of the estate
among the parties entitled thereto having regard
to the debts and claims only of which I shall then
have had notice and that I shall not be liable for
assets so distributed to any person of whose deals
or claim T shall not have had notice at the time of
such distribution AND all persons indebted to the
:-aid estate are requested to settle their accounts
without dilay.

DATED this fifteenth day of November, 1956.
DOREEN BEASLEY
Qualified Administratrix (with will) of 'he
Estate of Cyril George Beasley deceased.


JANUARY 28, 1957


OFFICIAL GAZETTE.









OFICAL GAZETTE Jixi 2, 95


NOTICE NO. 12 -(eighth publication)

BARBADOS SCHOLARSHIPS, 1957

The examination for Barbados Scholarships wil
be the examination for the General Certificate o0
Education (Advanced and Scholarship Levels) r.
the Oxford and Cambridge Schools Examinaticn
Board, and will be held in Bridgetown in July next
in accordance with the Time Table of the Examina-
tion Board.

Candidates will be expected to offer at least
one subject at Scholarship Level and one at
Advanced Level.

Candidates must be -
(a) under twenty (20) years of age cn
31st May, 1957;
(b) natives of Barbados; or
(c) children of a native of Barbados; or
(d) children of persons who are domicile
and have been resident in Barbados
for a period of not less than ten (10)
years.

Candidates must produce with their applica-
tions Birth Certificates, as well as certified state-
ments declaring that they have been receiving their
education in Barbados for a total period of not
less than three (3) years within the period of five
(5) years immediately preceding the year of award,
and that their moral character and general conduct
are satisfactory.

Applications completed on forms which are
obtainable from the Department of Education must
be snnt to the Director of Education not later then
31st January, 1957.

10th January, 1957.


NOTICE No. 11 -(eighth publication!

UNIVERSITY COLLEGE OF THE WEST
INDIES

Barbados Government Exhibitions

Applicants for admission as candidates for
Barbados 'Government Exhibitions tenable at the
University College of the West Indies are required
to submit their applications to the Director of Edu-
cation not later than Thursday, 31st January, 1957.
Application forms may be obtained from the
Department of Education, Public Buildings, Bridge-
town.
Candidates must be -

(a) under twenty (20) years of age or. 31F
January, 1957;
(b) natives of Barbados; or
(c) children of a native of Barbados; or


(d) children of persons who are domiciled
and have been resident in Barbados
for a period of not less than ten (10)
years.
Candidates must produce with their applications
Birth Certificates as well as certified statements
declaring that they have been receiving their edu-
cation in Barbados for a total period of not less
than three years within the period of five years
immediately preceding the year of award, and that
.heir moral character and general conduct are
satisfactory.
N.B. Applicants for admission as candidates fo,
Barbados Government Exhibitions must alst
forward direct to the Registrar of the Uni
versity College of the West Indies, Jamaica
their applications for Entrance to the ULi
versity College. The closing date for applica
tions for Entrance is 31st January, 1957

Department of Education,
10th January, 1957.


NOTICE No. 10 -(seventh publication)

DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION

Government Exhibitions tenable at Government
Aided Secondary Schools-Boys and Girls

Forms of application for First Grade Exhibitions,
Primary to First Grade Exhibitions and Second
Grade Exhibitions are available at the Department
of Education, Public Buildings, Bridgetown.

Senior First Grade Exhibitions
Candidates must be under 16 years of age on
June 30th, 1957.

Junior First Grade Exhibitions
Candidates must be under 13 years of age ,n
June 30th, 1957.

Primary to First Grade Exhibitions
Candidates must be under 13 years of age on
June 30th, 1957, and must be a pupil in attendance at
a Public Elementary School.

Second Grade Exhibitions
Candidates must be under 12 years of age en
June 30th, 1957.

Renewal Second Grade Exhibitions
Candidates must be holders of Second Grade Ex-
hibitions which are about to expire.

Application forms, accompanied by Birth/Bap-
tismal Certificates must be forwarded to the Depart-
ment of Education not later than Saturday, 1Cth
February, 1957.


9th January, 1957.


OFFICIAL GAZETTE


JANUARY 28, 1957









Subsidiary Legislation Supplement No. 4


Supplement to Official Gazette No. 8, dated 28th Jai., '1957


L.N. 9


Representation of the People Act, 1955.


ELECTION OFFICERS (REMUNERATION AND
TRAVELLING ALLOWANCE)
REGULATIONS, 1957.


The Governor-in-Executive Committee in exercise of
the powers conferred on him by section sixty-nine of the
Representation of the People Act, 1955, section one hun-
dred and forty-one of the Local Government Act, 1954, and
all other powers enabling (him in that behalf hereby makes
the following Regulations:-

1. These Regulations may be cited as the Election Offi-
cers (Remuneration and Travelling Allowance) Regula-
tions, 1957.

2. The following are the rates of remuneration and
travelling allowance applicable to election officers in re-
ispect of the preparation pursuant to the provisions of the
ARepresentation of the People Act, 1955, and the Local
Government Act, 1954 of a register of House of Assembly
and of local government electors:-

A. Remuneration
Chief Registering Officer .. $4,800.00
Registering Officers .. 4 cents per person re-
gistered plus 5 cents
per person registered
to cover clerical and
printing expenses.
Assistant Registering Officers
(a) in rural areas .. 15 cents per person
registered.
(b) in urban areas .. 12 cents per person
registered.
B. Travelling Allowance
Chief Registering Officer .. Rates payable to pub-
Registering Officers .. lie officers under the
Travelling Allowance
Regulations, 1933 as
amended.
3. The following are the rates of remuneration and
travelling allowance applicable to election officers in re-
spect of any revision pursuant to the provisions of the
Representation of the People Act, 1955 and the Local Gov-
rernment Act, 1954 of a register of House of Assembly and
local government electors:-
.A. Remuneration
Chief Registering Officer .. $2,400.00
Registering Officers
1. Basic Fee
Constituency of
St, Michael .. .. 480.00
Constituency of
Christ Church .. 360.00
Constituencies of Bridge-
town, St. Gedrge,
St. James, St. Philip 288.00 each
Remaining Constituencies 240.00









10 SUBSIDIARY LEGISLATION


2. A fee of 4 cents for every dhange other than a
change only in a registration number.
3. Allowance for clerical assistance-
(a) 18 cents for every change other than a
change only in a registration number;
(b) 1 cent per number for checking, and
changing where necessary, every number
in the register;
(c) 2 cents per folio for making a final dheek
of, and making any necessary corrections
in, the register.


Revising Officers-
For every day or part there-
of on which he holds an
open court
.Travelling Allowance
Chief Registering Officer ..
SRegistering Officers
Revising Officers


$20.00

Rates payable to pub-
lie officers under the
Travelling Allowance
Regulations, 1933 as
amended.


4. The following are the rates of remuneration and
travelling allowance applicable to election officers in re-
spect of their services during any election to the House of
Assembly held under the provisions of the Representa-
Ition of the People Act, 1955:-
A. Remuneration
Supervisor of Elections $2,400.00
Deputy Supervisor of
Elections .. ... 720.00
Returning Officers for all
constituencies except St.
Michael and Christ Church 360.00 each


Returning Officer-
St. Michael
Returning Officer-
Christ Church
Election Clerks for all
Constituencies except St.
Michael and.:0Christ. Church
Election Clerks--St. Michael
Election Clerks-
Christ. Church ... ..
Presiding Officers ..
Poll Clerks
Counting Assistants
B. Travelling Allowance
Supervisor of Elections
Deputy Supervisor of
Elections
Returning Officers ..
Election Clerks .


720.00

420.00


240.00 each
360.00

270.00
30.00 ,,
20.00
20.00


Rates payable to piib-
lic officers under the
STravelling Allowance
Regulations, 1933, as
'amended.


Made by the Governor-in-Executive Committee, this
twenty-fourth day of January, 1957.

By Command,

K. A. HALL,
Acting Clerk, Executive Committee.

(M.P. 7471/1 vol. II)














VOL. XCII.


SUPPLEMENT TO


Iofdtal!


Ofjauette


PUBLISHED BY AUTHORITY


BRIDGETOWNm, BARBADOS, 28TH JANUARY, 1957


HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY


Tuesday, 31st July, 1956.
Pursuant to the adjournment the House of
Assembly met at 3 o'clock p.m. today.
Present:
His Honour Mr. K. N. R. HUSBANDS (Speaker),
Hon. G. H. ADAMS, C.M.G., Q.C., B.A., (Premier)
IIon. Dr. H. G.H. CUMMINS C.B.E., M.D., C.M., (Min-
ister of Social Services), Hon. M. E. Cox, (Minister
of Communications, Works and Housing), Mr. L. E;
S'MITH, J.P., (Chairman of Committees), Mr. F. C.
GODDARD, (Leader of the Opposition.), Mr. J. A.
HAYNBS, B.A., Mr. J. C. MOTLEY, Mr. E. St. A. HOL-
DER, Mr. V. B. VAUGHAN, Hon. C. E. TALMA. (Mini-
ister of Agriculture, Lands and Fisheries), Mrs. E. E.
BOURNE, and Mr. J. C. TUDOR, M.A.
Prayers were read.
MINUTES
Mr. SPEAKER: I have the honour to inform
the House that the Minutes for the meeting held the
24th April, 1956. have been printed and circulated
and unless there be any objection these Minutes wil'
be taken as read and confirmed.
There being no objection the Minuteq were taken
as read and confirmed.
DOCUMENTS
Mr. SPEAKER:. I have the honour to inform
the House that I have received a statement of Rev-
enue and Expenditure for the parish of St. Andrew
for the year 1955-56.


PAPERS LAID
Hon. G. H. ADAMS:- Mr. Speaker, I am com-
manded to lay a statement showing Gross Customs
and Excise Receipts for two months ended 31.5.56.
Hon. Dr. CUMMINS: I am commanded to lay
a reply to the question asked by the honourable jun-
ior member for St. Joseph on the 1st May, 1956, con-
cerning Nurse Joyce Mason.
GOVERNMENT NOTICES
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: I beg to give notice of
the following Resolution.
Resolution to place the sum of $22,776 at the
disposal of the Governor-in-Executive Committee to
supplement the Estimates 1956-57, Part I Cur-
rent, as shown in the Supplementary Estimates 1956.
57, No. 13 which form the Schedule to the Resolution.
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: I also beg to give notice
of the following Resolution:
Resolution to place the sum of $5,760 at the
disposal of the Governor-in-Executive Committee for
the purpose of making loans to six delegates and
eighteen observers of the Barbados Elementary School
Teachers' Association to assist them to meet expenses
of attending the Conference of the Caribbean Union
of Teachers which will be held in Antigua in August,
1956.
In connection with this, I beg to give notice of
my intention to ask leave of the House to suspend
Rules 88 and 89 in order that this Resolution may
be dealt with at today's meeting of the House as this
meeting is due to take place, as far as I know, with-
in the next ten days and is therefore a matter of
urgency.
Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS: I beg to give
notice of my intention to suspend Rules 88 and 89
to deal with the Resolution for $22,776.
Thb question was put and agreed to.


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for the children to treat them at their school and to
Jet them know what was going on.
Hon. t. H. ADAIb': Mr. Chairman, allow me
to interrupt the hon. member. The first oQtcial in-
formation which was received from the Secretary
of State for the Colonies on this matter was on
Thursday.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: Mr. Chairman, surely
if you look at the Addendum you will see that they
decided that on the particular day when the En-
abling Bill was assented to by Her Majesty the
Queen, there would have been some celebration.
Surely some body could have arranged this thing.
You must have had in the back of your mind what
you were going to do. Some schoolmasters received
a letter concerning this matter on Friday, but up to
today they cannot say that they can treat theii
schoolchildren on Federation Day because they re-
ceived their letter by mail on Friday after the
School was dismissed for holiday.
Let the Hon. Premier contradict the statement
I made. What the Hon. Leader of the 'ppositton
said is correct. The person who is in charge of these
celebrations seems not to know what he is doing. I
agree one hundred percent with your holding a Gen-
eral Service of Thanksgiving on the Garrison
Savannah and that it is the correct service: but does
the Hon. Premier appreciate ltat iik th4;, !out-
lying parishes, say in the constituency of St. Joseph
which he represents, iot many peiopTe from that
parish will be able to attend the service at the Gar-
rison Savannah I '
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: They can go to theii
own Church at 11 o'clock that day.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: The Hon. Premier
says that they can go to their own Church at 11
o'clock that day. I am telling him that they do not
know anything about that; they were not nforined.
You have said that there will be a General Service at
the Garrison Savannah but you have not said that
there will be a Service of Thaiiesrving in the several
Churches in"'th'4Mrtious' ParlAhes say iii the Parish
Church of St. Lucy, St. Joseph and St. Andrew.
On Sunday last, no notice was given out of such a
servicee and up to now no notice has been given out.
Whose fault is it ? The person who has been put in
charge has nbt sent out 'such notice. It is an ab.
salute fact that they did not send out such a notice.
I realise that you did not have the information in
time to pinpoint everything in detail, but you could
have worked out something. You could have put in
a token amount of $1 in your Resolution to be ex-
pendpd on the celebrations and then come back to
the House for the sum.you need.
This is the most important day in the life of
the West Indies within the last three hundred years.
It is the most important day in the lives of West
Indians, jand quite rightly you say here that it should
be celebrated in such a manner befitting its great
significance. You say here that you are holding a
servicee at the G'arrison Savannah. I agree with tne
Hon. Minister when he says that you should start
off your celebrations with a Thanksgiving Service at
the Churehes.
4.15 T:lim
What I did hear and see is that the Hon. Premier
would give a talk on the significance of the Dav and
whiit not. That is correct, but for the actual
celebrating, one would have thought in a matter of
this sort young Would forget any Party, just for the
day. and let us face it as West. Indians and West
Indian leaders, as Barbadians and Barbadian leaders,
and forget party and party politics. One would have
thought that the lamb and the lion would lie to-


gether on a. day like Thursday. One would havo
thought that the hon. member for St. James and
others would be able to visit the various schools on.
the occasion forgetting everything about party poli-
tics on that day, and explaining to the youth the
significance of the day so that they would never
forget why they were celebrating that day. But what
do we find? The Premier would give a talk which
will go to about 50,000 to 60,000 people. The Premier
himself believes that information went out to the
various denominations instructing them to hold these
services, but I know that information has not gone
out and I say something is wrong.
Now, I heard a few days ago that the Government
would be treating children with sweet drinks, sweets
and biscuits. No member of this House would object
to that, but when I saw $1,500 I started to figure
how far this could go to serve 40,000 children. On
the last occasion, we felt you had to treat those peo-
ple from Private Schools like those from Elementary
Schools because they were the sons and daughters
of people of this colony, and when I started to think
of the amount of drinks and sweets for these 40,000
children, I realized there must have been an error
Why did you not put in $1 instead of $1,500 I am
glad to hear the Premier say that he is not thinking
-of children alone in treating them to remember the
occasion, but is also thinking of the poor so that they
wpuld not -forgpt. j. heard him mnggtion that he will
be offering money to the almshouses in order that the
poor people-would- be-able to get something. Out of
this money, $480 is allotted for St. Michael and $70
for St. John. .Am i right -in saying it is to allow
people in the Institutions and poor houses to take
part in the celebration of the day? Thursday is the
day for celebrating and may I ask the Premier
whether the people of the Island have been notified
They have not yet been notified and I say so defi-
nitely today.
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: I am sorry to interrupt the
hon. member again. It is a Bank Holiday which is
proclaimed in the Official Gazette, and it is just
conceivable that the Advocate Printery may not
have produced the Official, Gazette. There should
have been a proclamation on Saturday that Thurs-
day would have been a Bank Holiday.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: Of course we know it
is a Bank Holiday, but for what?
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: For the celebration of
Federation Day.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: What I am asking the
Premier is this. He is trying to outline the position
to us today, and we are allowing for the shortness of
the notice. You have today for the first time allowed
the public to know the reasons for changing your
amount from $1,500 to $9,600. I suspected $1,500 was
not the real figure, and you have given information
that the reason for raising' the amount is because
you are treating school children and allowing tht
various parishes an amount to help, to feed the poor
of the parish in order to let them recognize this day
which we are celebrating. The day after tomorrow is
the day and may I ask who is responsible for send-
ing out that information? It has not yet been sent
out. He said there are going to be services in many
religious denominations. You said, Sir, you would
be giving the various parishes an amount with which
the people would be treated on this day. Let it be
known that the Government subscribed money today
so that the people in the Institutions should have a
special diet or something special and that these are
the reasons; but not one person has been notified
that the Government intends to do it at all. Some-
thing has gone wrong. If you are saying that the peo-
p of the parishes of St. Andrew and St. Philip on
this day are celebrating and yet you have not allow-


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ed them to know, are they. really joining in the eel
ebration on this day? Why must Government be so
strongheaded and not appoint a proper Committee?
You wouldd not have known the date of the celebra-
tion, but I have seen that Mr. Wiles is responsible
for the organisation; ,ad now you come and tell us
.yqu are having these services when not one word
has been said about the various activities..
Now, as regards the question of fire-works, the
Hon. Premier said that the senior member for the
City has them all. That is not true, and the hon
member knows that, but I am still glad to hear him
say that the hon. senior member for the City has
tire-works for the St. Michael's parish.
Hon G. ADAMS: If the hon. member would
give way, I knomQw of the hon. member's activities
from the Press. We discussed Federation Day some
weeks ago, and we also discussed the question of tire-
works and decided it was not worth while baying
what was in Bridgetown because you would not se,.
them if you put them in. a barrel and set them ott
the Esplanade unless you were somewhere at a
point like at the Princess Alice Playing Field. But
the Churchwarden of St. Michael was content to buy
the fireworks and that is why I said he was welcome
to them.
iir. E. D. MOTTLEY:. For the benefit of the
Hom. Premier, the hon. member for the City is mor6
active and more wide awake. Fireworks landed in
Bridgetown last Friday, for your information, and
I only thought they would be displayed not only
at the Princess Alice Playing Field but at other
spots in the islands. What has gone wrong with
your Committee? Who are the members of your
Committee? Why was no mention made in the Press?
You make fun and say you would not buy firework.
that if displayed in Bridgetown could not be seen
far off; but, for your information, the Churchwarden
would not take that type of fireworks. All you
wanted landed in Bridgetown last Friday. I am
asking what has become of the Committee! Who is
*un the Committee? Mr. Wiles is on the Committee,
but who else is on it ? Name them! Why did you rot
.appoint people who could tell people what was hap-
pening? While the Minister of Social Services was
in part responsible for notifying the various parishes
that Government would give this money to gladden
1 he hearts of the people of the various parishes, the
answer is still "No". Money will be voted to cele-
brate the significance of the day and somebody should
-pueak to them on that day. Let them know that Gov-
ernment has given them something to celebrate the
significance of the day and somebody should speak
"to them on that day. Let them know that Govern-
ment has given them something to celebrate the day
.and let them know the reason. It may be interesting
to note that I will speak to the people and tell them
why they are celebrating this day and of the import-
ance of it, and I plan to speak to them in the thous-
-ands. It is regrettable that we are not going to cele-
brate in a manner befitting its great significance. I
hope that after this debate in the House this evening,
it least the Committee will get a stop press or adver-
-tise in the Ac'orfte and let the persons in the various
parishes know what is happening, especially those
people of the parishes who cannot get to Brde~etown.
4.25 p.m.
With the various Dennminations in this Island.
and with the Ministers of Reli-ion. they could very
well be in a position to explain to people and let
them know what the true position is: but not one
word has been said about the matter. It i not ioo:
"'Ate even at this moment to ret what the H)on. Pre-
-mier has said to us in the Press. and let it be known
-,h;bat the Government is doinp. Just to go to the.


!arrison alone, and leave the people in bt.. Thomas
or St. George without saying one word to them is
Lot, in the best interest of the;. Colony. The ion.
Premier has said that a Committee has been set up
to deal with this matter; but who is the Committee.
I hope that froimawhat the Hon. Premier has said
today, he will be able to get something in the Press
by tomorrow, so that people will see what is going to
happen. At least there could.be put over the service
of Rediffusion, the request that.. Servicesbe ,held on
Thursday, at 11 o'clock at every nook and corner of
this island. This most important day in the life of
the people of this Colony has come at last; therefore,
let the Churches know what is happening. Of
course, I shall be going ahead with the celebration
activities in this parish; I welcome that gift of
$4&0.00, if they will give it, to assist the people, at
the Almshouse.-
We have requisitioned some buses to take the
y oor around the Island as part of the activities, and
I am wondering if the Government would see that
proposal through. If we have to pay, for that, then
w- will pay for it. I am sorry, Mr. Chairman, the
transportt Board is a Statutory Board and not a
Government concern; however, I repeat that I hope
the Hon. Premier will get the information which he
has given us this afternoon over the service-of Redif-
fusion, as a request from the Government to the
Heads of the various Denominations in this Colony
to hold Services, and let it be known what is hap-
pF'ning.
Mr. ALLDER: The most important event
which is taking place in these Colonies since the
abolition of slavery in the 1830's is this occasion of
the introduction of the Federation of the Caribbean
Colonies. During the abolition of slavery, it. was
not possible for people to celebrate their freedom as
we are now going to, celebrate the introduction of a
new system of Government, and a certain amount
of political freedom. I should like to say that the
amount which the Hon. Premier has suggested can-
not accommodate the entertaining Committees in
the various parishes. The amount is too small, and
tends more to confused thinking on that day than
to bring people together in a true form to express
their appreciation of having lived to see the intro-
duction of a new system of Government in these
parts. I would suggest to the Hon. Premier now,
that the $75.00 which he proposes for St. John to
entertain thousands of school children and to be dis-
tributed at various schools, and with which he also
proposes to make some token gift to people in the
Almshouse is not sufficient; I suggest that this
amount be kept for occasions when they are hawing
big parties, and when they are giving exclusive per-
:.ies and use it for that purpose.
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: The hon. member is now
accusing the Government of providing only $75 for
the parish of St. John plus the Almshouse; where
does he get that information from? The hon. mem-
ber just does not care to listen: I said that provision
was being made for 43,000 school children at 15c.
each, plus the amount for the Almshouses.
Mr. ALLDEiR: That amount cannot suffice.
The hon. member came back and increased the num-
ber of school children from 25,000 to 43.M00.
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: I promise the bon. mem-
ber that every time he makes reckless misstatements
-sometimes they will be deliberate-I will correct
Him. That is how I am goinr to treat him. It was
the hon. junior member for St. Lney who -spoke of
25,000. school children.
4 Mr. ALHDER: I really meant the bon. innio-
mpembner for St. DLucy who said that the school- ppin-


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which the whole of Thursday is to be devoted is a
national celebration, there can be no more Aittung
thing to be done than that the best attention be pain
to the children, who are after all the backbone cf
this nation which is to be. When Her ioyai High-
cess Princess Margaret visited thi Island last year,
of the whole sum of $310000, fully $12,000-or per-
haps half of that, I cannot remember, but a con-
siderable amount-was voted for the entertaimmen
of the children, and, of course, in their transporta-
tion to the Garrison. It is true that the whole
number of elementary school children was not
involved; but if, Mr. Chairman, you strike a pro-
portion with what was spent then on the 12,000
school children with what it is proposed here and
now to spend on the whole lot of elementary school
children (apart from other expenses and other as
pects of the celebration) you will see it is woefuli-,
short and something is terribly lacking. I want to
impress upon the Government that they should not
take this thing in so off-hand a fashion, that proper
attention should be paid to it, and that at any rate,
so long as the children are to be brought into it at
all, a scale much larger and much more expensive
than might possibly be the case with the small
amount of money they are asking for is needed. But,
Mr. Chairman, if proof were needed that this Gov-
ernment did not take this thing seriously at all,
you have only got to search for that proof in the
fact that of all the people in this whole Island. they
lone thought that they could celebrate a day like
this on $1,500, and the scale of their magnificence
was equal to the scale of their thinking: and they
would have been the only people in this Island who
would have taken the view that $1.500 would havo
allowed Barbados to celebrate Federation Day ii,
a manner befitting its rreat sinificance.
Mr. Chairman, I think they are not to be con-
gratulated on having done anything or certainly
having done very much, and I think that here again,
Mr. Chairman, you can see their lackadaisical ap-
proach by the fact that although at such short notice
they have jumped from $1,500 to $9,600, they still
have not in the light of what they are doing, treated
the House with the courtesy of letting it know how
they propose to spend the $9,600. They are bound to
agree that so far as entertainment proper is con-
cerned, something should be done for school children
and possibly for old people; and it must cost them
something, however little, to arrange the large open-
air gathering which they are encouraging to meet on
Thursday morning at the Garrison. But none of these
things has been explained to us, amd frankly I do not
think that they care sufficiently about these things
to tell us exactly what they are doing. I do not want:
to add fuel to fire; but I am a resident of the parish
of St. Michael, and I got the impression that the scale
of entertainment and celebration planned for this
parish alone far surpasses anything I have heard the
Government proposes to do for the whole Island. Now,
it need not worry them because it certainly does not
worry me if I had said so, but it happens- to be a
fact. The published plans for Federation Day in the
parish of St. Michael far surpasses any I have heard
as yet which is contemplated for the whole Island;
and I wish to emphasise this Mr:; chairman, before
I sit down, that if, as he says, something is to be,
done for school children, he cannot'do it properly for
nearly twenty-five thousand school children. My arith-
metic is not very good because I did lnot leart much,
but it would repay quite a lot'of interest if the'mem-
bers of that Govermnent, particiulily'the Ministers,
would try to see how far they canl'entrtain-twenty-
five thousand children on oan oeeasi6nlike this on less


than 9,600, because not all of it is going to be spent
on children. So like the hon. senior member for bt
John, the hon. junior member for Christ Church, and
I dare say, like most of the members of this House,
I am anxious to know the scale of the celebration
planned by Government and the precise amounts of
money out of $9,600 which are to be voted to each
aspect of the celebration.
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: It is surprising ...
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: Surely, 1 did not want
the Premier to let it appear that I wanted to wait to
find something to say after he had spoken, but like
the previous speaker I say we would certainly like
some further explanation. I am not surprised myself
that the amount has been increased, because when I
went through my Resolution and I saw $1,500, I
thought there was a mistake; I thought it was a ques-
tion of $15,000; but while I have not heard, and I
regret I was not present when the Hon. Premier was
speaking to hear his explanation, I am not surprised
that there is an increase in the amount of money to
$a,600. They are those of us who when we start to
speak of money think of big money, but even that
seems small to me; small judging from the explana-
tory note which says: "the Standing Federation
Committee expressed their strong hope and arrang-
ments would be made in the several Unit Territories
f('r the celebration of this day in a manner befitting
its great significance." It strikes me that this day
Is not only umlique for the West Indian but also unique
in the history of the world. I wonder if I may stretch
it so far to say that, because not only are you federat-
ing the people of the islands, but you are federating,
if I am permitted to say so when you think of the
background of Trinidad, people of all nationalities.
.55 p.m.
In other words, you are trying to federate
Europeans, Chinese, Indians, Negroes and Assyrians
-people of all nationalities. We have quite recently
seen, or at least read, that one of West Indian birth,
but of Chinese origin, has been sworn in to act as
Governor of Trinidad. That, in itself, is a very good
sign. However, I will not say anything further on
the celebration activities, as I know nothing about
them; I will wait for the Hon. Premier to tell us
something about them. I presume that they will be
starting with the children, for indeed, this will be
a day which the children should always remember
and which old people will never forget. This occasion
is a very important one in the lives of West Indians;
this is a day which should be celebrated in a manner
befitting the great dignity of the day. I shall not
say anything more; I will wait to hear the Hon.
Premier's explanation.
When sometime ago, we heard that this day
would be celebrated, we had hoped that we would
have seen a plan of the celebrations accompanying
whatever Resolution would be brought before us.
However, I do not think it is too late for the Hon.
Premier to tell us about this matter; and I am sure
he will tell us about it, because the fact that the
amount of that Item of this Resolution has been
changed from $1,500 to $9,600 does show that the
activities are going to be greater than they would
be under the Item for $1,500; I shall await the Hon.
Premier's explanation which has been asked for by
hon. members.
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: Mr. Chairman, if we
had put another nought at the end of this amount,
we have been accused of asking for too much. I am
not therefore minding that aspect of the matter. The
original suggestion was, that there should be just thia
sort of celebrations. [Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: I cannot
hear the honourable member]. Nobody says that the
honourable member should take note of the interrup-


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tons; he can sit over here. To hold Church Services
was the West Indian idea generally; we did not know
what would have happened. The matter was going
before the House of Commons, and we thought that
in ease we were caught, we could get something pass
- 1 in the House, and later on, we could come back
for an additional amount. We did not have any long
11otice of what was going to happen in the House of
Lords, and the assent of Her Majesty the Queen to the
Bill establishing the Federation; then we were warn-
ed that we were not to take it for granted that Her
-Majesty the Queen would assent to the Bill immediate-
ly on its being passed by the House of Lords. There-
fore we thought that we should get something done,
end then we could go thoroughly into the matter.
The sum of $1,500 was intended to cover the cost
ot flags, and I do not know if they have yet arrived;
they iere to arrive by plane. If I may disclose a
secret, we ordered the flags even before the House had
voted any money to pay for them; I hope we will not
Ub. attacked for doing that. We wanted a flag of each
West Indian Colony, just as they are in the Univers-
ity College of the West Indies; there, we have a flag
of each West Indian Colony which has students at
that College. We took the risk; and of course, if the
House in a fit of madness, did not vote the money,
then we would have had to pay for the flags out oi
our own pockets. In order that, if we were suddenly
presented with the date by the Secretary of State
for the Colonies, we would not be failing in some ot
the methods of the celebrations, we took that risk.
I have forgotten to ask whether the flags have
actually arrived; they were due to arrive by plane,
as I have stated. However, the proposal to use flag
as a decoration on the platform at the Service at the
Garrison Savannah is, as far as I know, unique in
Barbados; so far as I know; the other colonies are
having services in their Churches and Chapels. Here
in Barbados, the Clergy of the various denomina-
tions are proposing to have services at 11 o'clock,
"while the general service will be held at the Garrison
Savannah.
The honourable member for St. Lucy has got his
facts wrong; he spoke of 25,000 school children. The
honourable member was more in need of a hot meal
when he was in England than the school children
here.
Mr. BRANCKER: I should like to know to
-which honourable member the Hon. Premier is
referring; both of us are in favour of a hot meal foi
school children. [Mr. TUDOR: And he is not].
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: The honourable member
is always eating hot meals. There are 43,000 school
children. In connection with the Coronation the figure
was worked out at 8c. or 10c.,.and now we have made
the fiure 15e. for a child; so that the honourable
member with his self-confessed lack of arithmetical
.skill will be able to multiply 43,000 by 15e. a child and
get the proper sum. We also intend to spend some
money in treating persons at the Almshouses. I will
give honourable members the figures. For the St.
Michael's Almshouse, there is the sum of $480.00;
Christ Church $200.00; St. Philip and St. George
$100.00 each; St. James $80.00; St. Peter, St. Thomas,
St, John and St. Joseph $75.00 each; St. Andrew and
St. Lucy $70.00 each, amounting to $1,400.00.
-4.05 p.m.
As announced there will be a Police Band Concert
at the Bay Street Esplanade and the much decried
Ministerial Buildings, according to the Opposition,
will be illuminated. There will also be illuminations,
opposite. We attempted to get fireworks and give a!
fireworks display but we were told that there were;
only feeble fireworks in Bridgetown and that there.
were commandeered by the Local Government of St
Michael. We were told that they would be feeble


Cireworks if we set them off on the Esplanade, but,
perhaps, on the Princess Alice Playing Field where
a few people would be gathered around the fireworks
would be able to be seen; they would not be seen if
they were shown at the Bay Street Esplanade. There-
fore, the honourable senior member for the City is
welcome to have them. (Laughter).
I do not know if there is anything more I can
add. I will venture to prophesy with the usual critic-
ism chiefly of our own efforts that when the celebra-
tions are over there will be no island celebrations
l hieh will surpass that of Barbados.
Mr. E D. MOTTLEY: Mr. Chairman, I have
listened attentively to the Hon. Premier. All I
have seen in the Press that Government is doing as
regards the celebrations of this day is that -Mr.
Wiles is responsible for the celebrations which, are
it take place the day after tomorrow which is Fed-
eration Day. The Hon. Premier got up in here
today and said that there will be Church Services
throughout the Island and every head of the various
denominations was asked to hold Church Services.
I say that that is not a statement of fact.
Hon. G. U. ADAMS: Mr. Chairman, the hon.
member must not misquote me. I was careful to
say "not all". Some have promised. I do not
want to call names but the hon. members know what
I mean when I say that as regards the General Ser-
vice which will be held at the -Garrison Savannah
you cannot get certain denominations to co-operate
with certain other denominations.
Mr. E. D. MOTTIUEY: It is known that you
are going to keep a General Service at the Garrison
Savannah, but I take it that your celebrations are
for every parish and that the Rectors of St. Andrew,
St. Joseph and the other parishes would be asked to
hold Thanksgiving Services as well as the heads of
the Pilgrim Holiaess Churches and the head of the
Methodist Churches. If I may refer to James Street
Methodist Church specifically I take it that the Hon.
H A. Cuke was asked; but I ami saying that no one
was asked. Something has broken down.
Weeks ago, I heard that part of the programme
of the celebrations of Federation Day would be a
General Service at the Garrison Savannah and that
there will be a Thanksgiving Service at every Church
and every denomination would be asked to give
thanks to Almighty God for this occasion. Now the
Hon. Premier says you cannot get every denomina
tion to co-operate. I presume he means the Roman
Catholic body.
One must bear in mind that the day after to-
morrow is Federation Day when you will be having
these celebrations. One would have thought that
if you had decided to celebrate the occasion in this
way, you would have notified all the heads of the
various denominations. I am not thinking of any
Anglican Ministers, I am thinking of the Baptist
Churches, the Pilgrim Holiness and all such
Churches. Why I say so is because we want every-
body to share in these celebrations, and share alike.
I was at a loss to know why no announcement was
made as to whether Government wanted the various
denominations to gie .Services in. their Churches to
celebrate this occasion. Nothing has been skid. 1
am not accusing the Hoin. Premier, I am accusing
the member of his Government who has been in
charge of this affair.
Let me say that on Friday afternoon, after the
elementary schools were dismissed for holiday the
postmen then carried, letters to the He1admadters
,and Headmistresses of those Schools. Up to yes-
.terday morning some of,, those, Hadea acliers had
not received their letters to let them kiow to send


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264 OFFICIAL

QUESTIONS

Mr. GODDARD: To enquire of the Honour-
able Minister of Communications, Works and Hous-
ing:-
Is Government aware that there is grave dis-
satisfaction existing among many owners of houses
which were damaged by Hurricane "Janet" on the
22nd September, 1955.?
2. Is Government aware (a) that the Housing
Authorities at the time promised to return to com-
plete repairs which they had partially undertaken,
(b) that the Housing Authorities have failed to
carry out such promises?
3. Is it true (a) that Government promised
assistance to house owners who carried out their
,own repairs and incurred debts in so doing? (b) if
so, has Government carried out their promises and
to what extent?
4. Will Government send down a Resolution
for a sum to be used in completing the repairs to
houses damaged by the Hurricane and to render
assistance to those who carried out their own repairs?

SUSPENSION OF RULES

Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS: Mr. Speaker,
I am asking leave to suspend Rules 88 and 89 to
deal with the Resolution for the sum of $22,776
of which notice has just been given.
Mr. SPEAKER: The Hon. Minister is asking
leave to suspend Rules 88 and 89 in order to deal
with $22,776 of which notice has just been given
and unless there be any objection, leave will be
granted the Hon. Minister.
There being no objection leave was granted.

COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY

Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS: Mr. Speaker,
,on Tuesday last, a Resolution was introduced for
$1,500 for the purpose of celebrating Federation
Day. The Government has increased that amount
and we are asking leave to withdraw the Resolution
for $14,670 and to substitute the Resolution for
$22,776. Whether we will do it now in the House or
in Committee, Your Honour will decide.
3.25 p.m.

Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS: I beg to move
that Your Honour do now leave the Chair, and the
House go into Committee of Supply, and that it
be an instruction of the House when in Committee
of Supply, to deal with these two Resolutions of
which notice has just been given.
Hon. M. E. COX: I beg to second that.
The question was put and agreed to.
HBis Honowr left the Chair and the House went
into Committee of Supply, Mr. SMITH being in
ite Chair.

FEDERATION DAY CELEBRATIONS'

Hon. G. H. ADAMS: Mr. Chairman, I propose
to deal firstly with the Resolution for $22,776. I am
told that cyclo-styled copies of this Resolution have
been circulated. Hon. members had been presented
with a Resolution for a lesser amount last week,
and it will be unnecessary for me to do more than
say that when we sent down that Resolution for
$1,500, it was quite uncertain as to the date on which
Her Majesty the Queen would have assented to the
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fore the House quickly. We have now considered
what we think should be done, but it is unfortunate
that we should have read about what Jamaica and
Trinidad propose to do before announcing what Bar-
bados proposes to do. However, I should like to
say that Barbados had decided, before knowing of
what any other Colonies had decided, to have Church
Services including a sort of comprehensive service
at the Garrison Savannah in addition to the services
in the separate Churches and Chapels.
I say that lest it be thought that we are merely
copying from Jamaica or Trinidad. I do not think
that anybody who really knows the West Indian
scene, and who has got before his eyes the possible
siting of the Federal Capital, would accuse Barbados
of following any other Colony with regard to cele-
brations of this sort. I think it is only fair to the
Administration that it should be made quite clear that
our plans for the celebration of Federation Day were
going ahead at the same time as other people's plans
had been going ahead, and it iT only a question of get-
ting Estimates as to bringing the school children in-
to these celebrations that we rushed down with the
original plans. The difference in the amount of this
Resolution is largely due to our having accurate fig-
ores now supplied as to what it would cost to give
the school children the sort of treat which it is cus-
tomary to give to school children on occasions of
this sort, and the cost of a more spectacular show
which it is proposed to give on Thursday afternoon.
As hon. members will see trom the notes, the
largest amount of this Resolution is the amount of
$11,424 which is the share which Barbados has to
pay for the initial expenditure on Federation. Hon.
members are aware that it was agreed in February
this year that a Commissioner should come down to
examine the whole question of Trade and Tariffs in
order that we may be able at an early date to in-
troduce a Customs Union in the West Indian Colo-
nies. I shall not say anything more today about the
position of this Government than to say that it is in-
conceivable that you can have a Federation without
having a Customs Union. Whatever may have hap-
pened to cause Barbados to be placid about the
postponement of an immediate Customs Union, the
position of the Government remains unchanged; that
is to say, that it considers a Customs Union to be a
necessary concomitant of a plan for Federation. This
Commissioner is coming soon. Already, a very dis-
tinguished person has been appointed as Commis-
sioner and our portion of the expense :s $1,752.
The sum of $9,600 takes the place of $1,500
which was not intended to be the complete sum which
we are spending in connection with the Federation
Celebrations, and I am therefore asking the Com-
mittee to agree to this Resolution for $22,776 under
these three Heads. If we may be permitted to insert a
new Head in the Estimates, we are inserting this new
Head -Head XVIII, Caribbean Federation-in the
Estimates and these three sub-Heads, all being new,
will appear, namely, Pre-Federal Contribution,
$11.424: Trade and Tariffs Commission, $1,752 and
Federation Celebrations, $9,600. I beg to move that
this Resolution do now pass.
lion. Dr. II. 'G. H. CUMMINS: I beg to second
that.
Mr. ALLDER: Mr. Chairman, the Government
seems not to know what it intends to do in this
matter. I have received a Resolution during the
last week-end; and now that I have come here, I
have been presented with a change in that Resolu-
tion. I have not had any time to study the con-
tents of this Resolution. What I am trying to say
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know how elaborate they intended these celebrations
to be, so that they could arrive at a definite figure.
In that way, they would not have had to send down
one Resolution containing a certain amount of money.
and then when we come here, at the last moment to
present us with a Resolution for a different amount
of money. I notice that the amount of $9,600 is now
to be spent on the Federation celebrations, whereas
the original figure was $1,500.

I appreciate the expenuiture of that sum ana i
-11i go further and say I regret inasmuch as we had
.spent $30,000 to entertain Princess Margaret, on
this very unique occasion in the West Indies which
introduces a new era-Federation of the West In-
dies-that these more elaborate preparations and
decisions were not arrived at in, sufficient time to
permit all the sections of the community to pre-
pare themselves for the celebration of such an
occasion in the manner in which it deserves. 1
would like the Hon. Premier to let us know wha-t
;.re the proposals for the spending of the sum. of
.p9,600. What are the things you are going to de
and the things you are not going to do?

.Mr. GODDARD: Mr. Chairman, if the Gov-
ernment were conscious that criticisms would have
been levelled at them, not only some but all the
plans they have in mind would have been told to this
Committee. When the Hon. Premier got up and
told us that the $1,500 was a token sum and that it
could be amended now to $9,600, one expected that
he would have been ready to put before the Com-
mittee what plans he had for the celebrations. Up
to now he had not spoken of any plans. He says
that it was agreed between the various unit Govern-
ments at the last Conference, which is well over five
*.eeks ago, that we should celebrate the day. That
shows that they had this celebration in mind then;
and they knew of the progress of the Bill through
the House of Commnons, and had an indication of
when the instrument would be signed by Her Maj-
esty the Queen. Even if they did not know the
r:xact date when Her Majesty would sign the instru-
rient, they knew that it was coming. They kneW
that the school children would be going on vacation
at this time, and after they had gone home it would be
inimost. an impossible task to get them out under
their teachers. It is no use just 'phoning mothers.
That would not lead to the success of any celebra-
tions. Preparations are more important: and to
ask teachers at this stage to summons school children
at the 'Garrison Savannah is not good enough. I
do not know what means there are to get them here.
On the last occasion, the occasion of the visit of
Princess Mrargaret-when they were asked to assem-
ble at the Garrison Savannah, they were given
transport. What form will it take now? What
otherr entertainments have Government in mind ? To
niv mind, it is so late now that whatever is done is
going to appear a most half-hearted thing. I do
know that some of the firms in Bridgetown will dec-
orate their buildings but others will not. One
week is absolutely inadequate to make preparations
for illuminations. If we did not have any warning
of what was taking place there might be an excuse;
but there is no excuse for this. When the Hon.
Premier gets up again; I would be o'rateful if he
would tell us. apart from the service which is to take
place at the Garrison Savannah, what are the other
arTrangements. Whoever is responsible for the ar-
rangements has fallen down on the ioh. T do niot
know who it is. but whoever is responsible has fallen
down. There is so much "we do not know", it will


tb impossible for us uo eleeorate the date in a be-
htting manner.
Mr. T'unuUR: Quite obviously, Mr. Cnairmari.
there can !be no quarrel with the first part of this
Itesolution. All the members of this Committee
know tilat some obligation will have to be met by
this island with respect to the contribution it has
made in regard to the federal arrangements which
are to come. Any of us who have been following
thle Conference closely would know that we would
be called upon from time to time to meet our share
cf whatever the cost is. It is only with this matter
which arises out of Federation Day Celebrations
which causes some concern and some bewilderment.
I think the Honourable Premier said that lie
school children (at any rate, the elementary school
children) will be taken into account to a large extent
in the celebrations which will be taking place on
Thursday. I have heard, at least in my own constitu-
ency, that arrangements have been made to summons
school children from their homes to the school to
v-hich they go on that day and to be treated there.
It can scarcely be that such arrangement would be
confined to one or two parishes and would not be of
general application, so I take it that all the elemen-
tary school children are to be brought from their
homes, or summoned from their homes to their
school to partake of the treat which is proposed to
offer them.
According to the latest figures, there are about
25,000 children on the attendance registers in thb
elementary schools. Of course, probably not more
than 22,000 attend school regularly but 25,000 go.
Their names are on the books. I am wondering
therefore if, as the Government wants to make us
believe, it has taken into account the large number
of elementary school children who certainly ought
be treated, and if therefore it imagines that the sum
of $9,600 is enough to cover the cost of entertain-
ing possibly 25,000 children; for it is certain Mr.
Chairman, that even those children who have not
been attending school in the last weeks of the term
will, unless they are ill, certainly po out to school
on Thursday if they received a summons from their
respective Head teachers.
I do not think it is so much lack of foresight as
perhaps lack of interest in this matter which has
prompted this carelessness and obvious oversight in
arranging these things properly. No one of course
could have foretold the day when Her Majesty
would have assented to the instrument, at least on
this side of the Atlantic; but the principle holds
good that as lone as you knew everyone of these
territories was looking forward towards the cele-
iration of this day. it was just a matter of one get-
ling down to business to see that the inhabitants of
the colony celebrate the day in a befitting manner
and getting together with one another to hammer
out plans and schemes so that the manner in which
one should celebrate the day would bear some rela-
tion to the imnortpwice of it.
T do not think truthfully to speak, that anythire
that was said or done in the other islands had any
effect on us and our preparations. To tha+ extent
T can agree with the Hon. Premier: hn+ it does an-
near from the prenarations P in" on in tha other
TIlandsq that they had this 'ay lonw in mind althono-h
+fhO dlid not know the datR.
'45F -n.m.
There seems to be a thoroughness certainly in
Trinidad and Jamaica which is entirely lacking-in
our approach towards it; and furthermore, Mr
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nation is 25,000, but the Hon. Premier made the figure
greater; he says that there are 43,000 school children.
1 gather that out of that number the hon. member
has got this amount of $2,150 for this purpose, but it
is not sufficient. The hon. member must consider
the cost of the distribution of whatever he intends
the school children to get, and that would reduce the
amount which a child should be given. I should
Lke to ask why has the hon. member not stated the
amount to be given to the Parochial Authorities?
What I am trying to say is that on many occasions,
the hon. member talks about what is to be given to
the people, and then when you go to the various
parishes and see the distribution, there is confusion
from top to bottom and those whose responsibility
it, is to see that the distribution is made, are met
with a lot of abuse, because the people say "The
Government gave you so much and so much to give
us, and where is it?" You want to spend a little on
an occasion such as this; you want to be parsimonious
on this occasion, and then when there is another
occasion which is not so important, the hon. member
tries to spend the Treasury!
4.35 p.m.
The hon. member seems to be thinking too little
of this occasion; and I must say that if you are not
going to do anything in a proper manner you had
better do nothing at all. What is the sense of your
allotting only $75 to St. John? The people are look-
ing for gifts and will be running around looking for
those gifts which will not be given them. As a mat-
ter of fact, some individuals are going to put this
amount in their pockets and celebrate the occasion
with it along with their friends. The Hon. Premier
should be proud to make an occasion like this an
important occasion which not even his greatest op-
ronents should forget. He is talking about giving
a big parish like St. John only $75 to celebrate the
occasion. That will only create a lot of confusion.
I do not know what kind of advice and what
sort of Committee this Government has to advise
them on this matter. They must be a lot of small
minded, petty thinking people because the results
which come from their counsel show that there is
some prejudice or some limitation of thought.
What I would suggest if I were a member of
Government is (1) that all church bells must be
rung at 12 o'clock (midnight) on Wednesday night
to usher in the day. Another thing which I would
do is to see to it that every possible old person in a
destitute position gets some definite gift from Gov-
ernment-and I do not mean an extra orange or an
extra banana-but some tangible gift which that
cld man or woman on their Almshouse cot could
keep under his or her pillow and would be able to
say "I have lived to see the day when we have a new
system of Government in these parts and we, descent
dants of former slaves have been able to run the
West Indies as we should have been doing long ago."
We should give those old people going around on
crutches something which they can hold in their
hands so that they can say ''yes. this is, my Govern-
ment which I have supported for the past ten to
fourteen vears." It should not be a situation where
some will have to be sitting down watching a few
-enjovin- themselves. It is so little an. amount
which the (Government is providing for these cele-
:Irations that it is bound to create a certain amount
of dissatisfaction. Thos- neole in the Institutions
are gmin- to feel that they are sq much entitled to
what Government is Sivin- a~, oth lrs because it is
those nponte who have contributed to the wealth of
the "olony.


I feel, Sir, that this sum is not sufficient. Along:
with the various things which some hon. members
have mentioned, I feel that the purchasing of flags
_or decoration is appropriate. We should hav-
flags representing all the West Indian Colonies. The
lion. Premier said that they were building a plat-
form to put on the Garrison Savannah. I will not
1c surprised if the cost of building that platform
does not take up the whole amount of money voted..
Mr. Chairman, I am not at all satisfied with this.
provision which Government has made. It is too
small an amount and because of that it will not bring
about the feeling which an occasion like this deserves
There is no use my suggesting any change in thi
arrangements because this Government is one which
js not amenable to suggestions, even if they are con-
si ructive suggestions and are well meant. What 1
feel, if it were possible, is the-t a greater provision
should be made so that more people would be prompt-
ed to join in the celebrations so to speak, especially,
those who cannot provide such entertainment foi
themselves.
I can see even faults lying in the participation ol
Local Government bodies in these celebrations. It i.
true that there was no certainty as to when Her
Majesty the Queen would assent to the Enabling Bill
to bring about the federal structure; and as such,
Those who formulated the idea of Federation, if they
are as much interested in it as they are pretending
to be, should have seen to it that the celebrations
which they hoped to keep would be of such that it
would definitely cause West Indians to be proud.
They would have thought that it might not be neces-
sary to hold celebrations on the exact day that Her
Majesty the Queen would be assenting to the En-
abling Bill. Why I say that is because there are
Many occasions when we celebrate certain days not
on the particular date when the particular thing
actually happened, but on a day afterwards. It is
always taken as understood that such-and-such an
occasion came about on a particular date, although
you might not be celebrating the particular occasion
on the exact date. Therefore, there should have been
tlie possibility if you do not have time enough to
prepare your celebrations for this particular occasion
to hold them some days afterwards. Certainly it
loes not matter. The idea behind the celebrations
would be understood even though they would not fall
on the particular day. To do it in this haphazard
manner would aggravate the situation, and things
onuld not he done in the manner in which they
should be done.
Mr. GODDARD: Mr. Chairman, I am going to
ask Government again if they say that the Church-
wardens of the various parishes received from the
Government a letter in respect of the concise state-
nient which the Premier has stated. I think I have
answered it for them. They have not. During the
interval, I took occasion to phone Mr. Brandford,
who is Churchwarden of Christ Church and who, I
know, was making preparations for some celebrations
at the Christ Church Almshouse. He told me that
he has not received any notification from the Gov-
ernment of a gift for that purpose; therefore I take
it that that ,ift has not 'been sent; or if it has been
sent, it is on its way now. Knowing the urgency of
this matter, there is no time for writing letters; there
should be -telephone messages that should be sent:
and I am aoin, to say to the Governrient, that the
Hon. Premier should ask. one of his Ministers' to leave,
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to go and telephone the Churchwardens oi the various
parisnes and tell them what they can expect.
4.45 p.m.
But I am only making clear the lack of prepara-
tion that has so far been made. When you are mak-
ing gifts of this nature to the various almshouses or
to the Parochial authorities for that purpose, I agree
with the honourable senior member for St. John it
should be on a population basis. If you are going
to have fireworks, have a good display or nothing at
all, but $75 to have a firework display and food for
the inmates would be inadequate. You should work
it on some other basis. Seventy-five dollars would
only make a small show because every parish should
have a celebration and a similar one: but there
should be a minimum. Now to get back to the church
services, that is the best form of thanks-giving; it
is a very memorable day in the lives of all West
Indians. This is an occasion when special stamps arc
struck. I am not saying it could be done overnight:
but I am sure when it comes into being, new stamps,
new coins-and when I say coins I mean you
should strike a certain number of them-and new
medals should be struck. They should have taken
this opportunity of letting the people know what,
Federation should mean to them. So far we have
told them very little indeed; no political party has
told them anything at all. This should have been
the occasion, and it should not be a party matter;
no party business should have been brought in. A
Committee should have been formed here in Bar-
bados and this is what we have to say. If you had
told us two weeks ago you were forming a Com-
mittee and had asked me to appoint someone from
our party to sit on your Committee, it would be
on a broader basis and we would not have been dis-
cussing this matter in this light today. I will again
reiterate they have fallen down somewhere and I
regret it because I do not wish the other West In-
dians islands to feel that we are not particularly
interested in Federation; that is not so. We are
going forward and it is not too late to instruct the
Churchwardens of each parish what to expect. Ask
someone to instruct the Churches to give a memorial
service [A VOICE: Memorial?] a Thanksgiving ser
vice on that day. Do not catch at a word?
Mr. ALLDER: I am asking the Committee's
permission to correct a mistake which I made when
making my speech. I was trying to point out the
cost at fifteen cents of 43,000 children and I said the
amount was $2,150. Instead, the amount should have
been $6,450.000. I just wanted to correct the
amount.
Mr. MILLER: Mr. Chairman, it matters not
what is said by the Government or what anybody is
prepared to say or even feel, but $9,600 divided
among the eleven parishes is certainly inadequate
for an occasion like this. It is unfortunate because
I can appreciate Government would have to rely on
the Committee which was selected to handle the
planning for this occasion; but the grave and major
mistake was the selection of that Committee. Some
of them are possibly great men in their respective
fields, but there are totally unaware and incapable
of feeling the significance of Federation to the West
Indian and particularly to the Barbadian-to say
nothing of what we owe to our forebears and who
saw and felt the need for Federation and the society
which we are planning. It is for these reasons that
I believe the Government should have exercised
more particular care in the selection of a Committee
which is expected to plan for this affair. I ask you,
Sir, to examine the old hackneyed, worn-out tech-
nique in celebration for children in schools today
.of a "bun and mauby": and I think a simple coin


as referred to by the Hon. Leader of the Opposition
or some other coins would have a real bearing to
the significance and importance of the day to Bar-
badians in particular and West Indians as a whole.
It is very unfortunate: and what I must say is thal
Government is always bound to the experts of th
various committees on these occasions, and unfor-
tunately the men selected to handle the planning
were incapable totally of feeling what Federation
would mean, and for that reason the whole idea
was thrown out of focus. It is very unfortunate,
and I believe the responsible members of Govern
ment as time goes on will have reasons to regret
what is an unfortunate episode in the history <.
the island.
Mr. Chairman, I feel it, I believe, as much as
any other member of this Chamber and I feel this
is something you owe to the people, this is not a
casual change by an improved constitution or what
you have from time to time, but a hope and salvation
by this Federation of the people of this area which
has br-ught to them the relief they deserve. It is
unfortunate, and I say with some measure of feeling
and grief that the Committee selected to plan this
have the feeling and know the significance of Federa-
tion to Barbados particularly.
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: 'The hon. member has
told us that the Committee was incapable of plan-
ning celebration on Federation Day. One hon.
member said the members of the Committee were
an incompetent lot who could not think of what to
do. I am sorry he sat down so soon, but he may
have left his extra handkerchief at home. I am really
scrry because he could have struck a pathetic note
today. I am referring to the senior partner of
Miller Bros and his fantastic tales in considering
a quarter million people; and according to the hon
senior member for St. John who said that the people
should have something more tangible than an orange
to put under their pillow ..
Mr. ALLDER: On a point of order. When I re
fcrred to putting an orange under the pillow, I
meant they should have been given an opportunity
of putting something more tangible. They should be
given something by Government for them to keep
as a token of an important epoch in the history of
their race.
Hon. GC. H. ADAMS: If th3 hon. member.is
referring to something more tangible than an orange
he means something to put under their bed. I have
often thought of the hon. junior member for Chris.
Church as being what you might call, abovf the
political gutter. Once or twice he has shown he is
not, and this afternoon is an occasion. Whenever 1
say anything about fireworks, and $75 is too little
He must look rather to his immediate right or per
haps I should say to his immediate right but one,
rather than to the hon. senior member for St. John in
he wants to follow anybody in Opposition tactics. ThL
whole idea through the colonies is that people should
have a chance through a Bank Holiday of enjoying
themselves, taking care that they celebrate the com-
ing, and it is only the beginning of the coming, be-
cause the constitution is still to bo. drafted but this
is only making it impossible for anybody to back
out; that is all the Bill means.
4.55 p.m.
It is true that we have agreed generally to
what the Constitution is to be, but some of the
Constitution has to be amended if we are selecting
the Federal Site. Of the hon. junior member for
Christ Church, it used to be thought that he had
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nity of criticism without abuse, and when every
Barbadian is fighting as hard as he can to get the
Federal Capital here, how could any human being
,n the West Indies assume that we are not interested
in Federation? [Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: It is the
people outside]. Some of the people outside are as
clever as Barbadians are, but they are not so foolish.
How can the people here be disinterested in Federa-
tion when they are telling the world that Bar' ados
is the place for the Federal Capital? So much for that
argnmnt.
Everybody is being given a chance by the pro-
clamation of a Bank Holiday to celebrate the Federa-
lion, and in a Christian community it is the most
natural thing in the world that you should make this
day a day of Thanksgiving. You have Governmental
appreciation of what the community should do, and
having got that, you say to people: "This day is a
Bank Holiday; celebrate it, be free from your
labours and have a good time." For those people, like
The inmates of the Almshouses, who are unable to
spend any money in celebrating this day, you natur
ally give them a treat so that they will remember tne
occasion, such as Emancipation Day, Coronation Day,
Empire Day or whatever you like. We have done
that, and we have done what this community or any
other community would do on an occasion of this sort.
The Coronation celebrations admit of more page-
antry than any other celebrations, and therefore you
would not expect that the celebrations of the Feder
nation of the West Indies would be on quite such an
elaborate scale [Mr. TUDOR: why not?] Whatever
may be one's views of celebrating this occasion or that
occasion, I am merely saying that these things hap-
pen. You celebrate Waterloo Day just in a mild
way; you make the British feel that although we are
celebrating, yet the occasion is not as important as
the celebrations of the Coronation of a Queen or of a
King. Whatever one may say, comparative values
,remain.
We are saying what is reasonable to be done on
an occasion like this. What is happening is that the
Queen will be signing the Bill establishing the Fed-
eration whereby-I need not call any names-no
West Indian Colony can now back down. The Cele-
bration Day is properly the 23rd February next year,
but we feel that there should be some sort of cele-
bration this year. As between the date on which
the Constitution was enacted or re-enacted in the
various Colonies, and the date on which the enabling
Bill is assented to, we should choose as being more
important, the date on which the enabling Bill re-
ceives the assent of Her Majesty the Queen. I repeat
That no Colony is going to have anything more spec-
ticular or anything better than in Barbados, or bet-
ter than what Barbados is doing. It was not unnatur-
ally felt that the religious aspect of this matter
trr should be predominant, and therefore every Col-
ony would have a religious Service of some sort it
being left to the separate Colonies to work that out.
Although you have a Protestant community in Bar-
bados, a Roman Catholic community in St. Lucia and
so on, we did not think it was right that we should
attempt to have a sort of uniform method of ce'ebra-
tion where the Churches were concerned. I can only
give the information which has been given to me a.-
recently as yesterday afternoon. [Mr. E. D. MOTT.
LEY: Given by whom?] The hon. junior member for
St. Lucy has a crude, offensive style of pointing at
people; he points at you, Mr. Chairman, and there-
fore he will point at anybody.
Mr. TUDOR: I point so as to distinguish him
because he is not distinguished otherwise.


aLr. i. U. -MUT'TiAi: I am noi mlaiuing any
ataLeleunts wnich I want to take back; I amn Lellmg
tie hon. member that if he can produce proof as to
what he has said, I will resign my seat in this Iouse
of Assemtiy to-morrow. I am telling the hon. igemuer
this now; I took the opportunity or making the posi-
Lion sure by asking the Minister of Religion in ntLe
whether he has received any information about this
matter. I felt that it would have been the attitude
of the Government to confer with the Ministers ot
the various Churches in connection with conducting
Services on this day; I would like to see everybody
going to a place of worship on this day to rejoice on
this most auspicious occasion. I say that no mention
was made of this matter to one Minister of any
Church in this Island, and for the Hon. Premier to,
,ay that he had been told something as recently as
yesterday afternoon, and refuses to say who gave
him the information, is not playing the game. Not
one soul has been told anything about this matter. I
am suggesting that it is not too late to request that
these Services be held; the best way of celebrating
this occasion, is by conducting religious services,
and up to now they have not done anything about
it. Let the Hon. Premier ask the members of his
cwn Party in this Chamber whether they have heard
anything about this matter; I repeat: I have asked
the Minister of Religion in here about the matter,
and he has not received any information about it at
all. Somebody has let down the Hon. Premier so as
to make it appear that, from the way in which he
has approached these Federation celebrations, they
have not got the interest in Federation which the-:
should have or intended to have. We are not saying
so; that is what is said by people outside. From the
things which they on that side have done two days
SePfore the celebrations, it would appear to people
outside that they are not as interested in Federation
as they should be.
The persons who do not want to have anything
to do with the Churches are the atheists: only surh
people want to go to the Garrison. That is a fact.
Mr. GODDARD: Mr. Chairman, I would like to
know what part of my speech was abusive. I criti-
cise the Government for what I consider to be inade-
ouate measures being taken for the celebration of the
Federation. I do not know the occasion on which
I have been abusive.
5.05 p.m.
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: I was really speaking
generally. I do not know of one occasion on which
the hon. member has abused anybody; I was speak-
ing in general terms and referring to the members
cf the Opposition substituting abuse for criticism.
So far as I know, the hon. member has not abused
anybody in the general sense of the word "abuse."
I said that I was glad when he came into this
HIouse that the Opposition's approach of opposing
the Government was not that of descending to abuse.
If I have given the slightest impression of abusing
the Hon. Leader of the Opposition by what I have
said, I completely withdraw any phrase to that eff.ct.
Let me say that if the Government took some state-
ments of the Opposition seriously, members of the
Government would get as indignant as members of
the Opposition appear to be because we do not think
they are indignant on occasions when they flare up
Do some members of the Opposition think that
the Government on occasion of this sort, which is I
admit very important, would not think of everything,
would not think of making this occasion as public as
possible? We went so far as to calculate all the
things we could do. We did not know if we could


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get fireworks, I am speaking of the $1,500. If we
could get fireworks, it would be more than that. 1
can only say in repetition my information is that the
usual practice which obtains on official occasions of
this sort has been followed. We really havt not
asked the Church of the New Creation of which the
hon. junior member for St. Lucy is a distinguished
-ornament as to whether he is going to hold a Service.
Mr. TTDOR: Why. Mr. Chairman, is the hon.
member referring to me I am no atheist as he is.
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: We have asked Christian
Churches, not semi-political tabernacles. I am in-
structed officially that the usual practice of dropping
hints that we intend to do so-and-so, provided the
money is passed, have been sent out. As to the
notification of the churches about this celebration,
the heads of these churches have been approached and
they have assured the Governor that in addition to the
eight o'clock service at the Garrison, they are going to
nave services in their several churches and chapels.
I took pains to correct myself of what I said at first
that every Church had promised to do it. I cor-
rected myself by saying that the majority of the
churches and chapels had promised to do it. I used
,that expression.
When the hon. senior member for the City talks
-of schoolmasters, it is no compliment that some of
us have been asked to appear at the Schools in the
parish we represent. Of course, schoolmasters are
supposed to tell children what Federation means;
but I hope schoolmasters everywhere would ask some
representative, provided he understands the meaning
of Federation, to say something about it (or perhaps
if he does not know very much about it he can give
a little study to it). I do not know that some mem-
lers of the Government Party. have been asked to
speak at schools by some schoolmasters; and I take
it that other schoolmasters will in the course of time,
if they have not done it already, ask other hon. mem-
bers to come down on Federation Day and talk to the
children. rA VOICE: They should.] The Govern-
ment should not make it a party issue. What party
Fssue is the hon. member talking about
The Government went so far as to say that the
-Other Place should remain sitting so as to pass this
Resolution to-day, but anticipating that we would
-et a lot of froth, we told them to meet to-morrow.
All these things have been gone into. There was an
absolutely thorough investigation of what we should
-do and at the same time that we should do it in a
constitutional way. The only risk we took before in-
forming this House was in the ordering of flags.
TVe said that if this House did not agree to the pay-
ment for the flags members of the Executive Commit-
lee will have to Pav for them. We said that we were
coming down for $100 for flags and we nut through
the order for them then so as to get them in time with
the full risk that we would have to pay for them if
the House did not a.ree to it. because we knew we
enmld not put through the order until the money wam
passedd hb this House. However. we do not think
nnvbody would really object to the monep for thb

STo say that we did not think of this, that and the
ether is sheer nonsense. The hon. junior member for
iS. Lucv talks of treating 25.000 school children and
nilv 5.000 will be treated. That is sheer nnnrensep
VWe are fnllowine the traditional method of ~miin'
-school children a treat. What is wron- with fo 11,--
i,'f the traditional method and not in-rin le tl-hnn
-hat we should dol ? t
I hone what. T am savin- now will not 1he t0p n
ii- the wrong light. I would say that on the 29rd
'February next year-the anniversary of the coming!


:tto being of Federation-there should be a real let-
ting go of yourself, so to speak, more so than the
celebration of the day when Her Majesty the Queen
assents to the Enabling Bill. The real date that West
Indians should celebrate is the day when you got the
West Indian leaders to agree, and not a formal rou-
tine attachment of Her Majesty's signature to the
Enabling Bill.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: Mr. Chairman, the Hon.
Premier has really answered the question I asked him
but he is really under the misapprehension that I
have actually criticised him for not remembering to
do something. We are saying that something has
gone wrong with the preparations. That is all we
have said. The Hon. Premier has got up and said
that the procedure which Government has thought of
mainly is to celebrate the day with a religious Service
and that seems to be the right way. We sav- "Yes,
we agree." What we said was that you said that all
the churches were notified; but although you have
said so, I challenge you to say that that has been done.
The Hon. Premier said that he has been informed
that that has been done. I challenge him and say
that this is not a statement of fact: not that he has
not been informed but the person who informed him
that they have done something, has not spoken the
tiuth.
5.1P p.m.
If he says he has not been intonneut that uouiu
bE a statement of fact but ii the person inforntmect nu
iuey did something that is not a a statement uf iaut
ihecause it has not been done. We agree that me
best form of recognizing this day in Barbados mlie in
the other islands would be to have religious services,
and we agree to that; but you should have services
not only in the established churches but in all the
other churches, 'because they are churches also. But
what I am saying is that not one notice has appeared
in the Advocate nor has it been advertised over Re-
oiffusion; and no notice has been sent to the Ministers
of Religion asking them to celebrate this day in the
fashion you are suggesting it should Le celebrated.
If you can prove to me this information I have given
is wrong I will resign. I ask you if you have asked
the Chaplain of this House. I am telling the hon.
member it should take the first and foremost place
in your island. Ask the hon. member for St. James
if he has been informed and he will say "no". Go
and phone and find out if they have been informed.
I have asked you this question and you have hedged
all round in a circle and have not answered. We ask
you further who comprise the Committee. I agree
with the hon. junior member for St. George and I will
say this: he has the ability to orgamise. Fool not
yourself that this is not a very important day to the
people of this colony: you must therefore rope every-
body in. I take it if the member for St. George was on
the Committee-it is not a question of spending
money, it is a question of organising. That is one
Voint not answered yet, and no attempt has been made
to answer it. You say you got the information that
these religious denominations were notified. This is
the first way of recognising this day. but I repeat I
would have been the first to give the necessary as-
sistance to see everybody went to the churches to
praise God that we have come such a long way, but
the Premier has said that he has been informed that
the people were notified. Notified by whom? The
House has been informed and the House has been
informed that you have been informed and no one
Minister "asn qay by whom von have been informed!
Since I Tnav been asking. T have heard that Mr. Wiles
is in charge and that the parish Rectors have


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been notified,, but I am saying everybody else
should be notified. Phone the Minister of the
Pilgrim Holiness; that is a big gathering and when
Brother Wickham starts in Carrington Village you
are bringing in a lot of people. But you are
carrying the people to the Garrison who are atheists
and people who do not want to go into a church.
I am telling you that they are strong atheists who
when the Bishop wish them a happy holiday and
God's blessing, say I wish the happy holiday but [
do not want your wish of God's blessing. That, is the
sort of thing you have. I challenge you to get up
and make me out to be lying. I agree with the hon.
junior member for Christ Church. If on Thursday
morning you start off getting the fireworks and treat-
iag school children, we criticise you by saying: that
you got the information on Thursday and on Friday
you sent out letters to their school masters, some
of whom got them last Friday after the schools
closed which is all well and good and we agree with
you for doing that): but we criticise you because
you knew when you came back that these celebra-
tions would take place: and if you had a forcible
strong farseeing Committee you would have better
plans. I agree with the hon. member who said the
children should be given some sort of emblem-which
they could keep to show to posterity. After the
1034 War some token for four million returned
soldierss was given to show whether you came back
--even with one leg. This is a day most important
in the lives of West Indians in the last 300 years,
and I say if you had people like the hon. junior
member for St. George on your Committee, he
ould have realized this. He can still think some..
times although he would not join the right ranks.
An emblem should be kept to show, say, that I was
a schoolboy on that dty. We criticise you for that,
and that is the criticism you must expect from the
Opposition. Whenever we see something about which
'. criticise, it is our duty to do that. Having failed
tc do that. you should have sent to the various nar-
ishes saying that you would give some assistance with
creating the old people that they too might appreci-
ate this day. Since I have been talking the hon.
unnior member for Christ Church has gone and tele-
phoned and not one authority in the parish has been
notified. If they have not been notified, and tomor-
row is Wednesday, how are they going to get the
information? Every human being in this county
except those who are. atheists associated with Gov-
einment would feel the appropriate way of celebrat-
ig this day would be with religious services whether
at Anglican, Roman Catholic or other churches, but
thel Premier can come 4in here one day before the
celebrations and tell us he has been informed only
yesterday evening that these instructions have gone
out. I say that if you had notified the Ministers
of the various parishes that there would be a service
at 11 o'clock on Thursday, I am sure the Ministers
would have announced it in Church on Sunday;
but the Premier says today that he has information
that such requests have been sent out! I am telling
1'im no information has gone out, and I challenge
him to deny it. You are no late; there is still time
and I appeal to you to put a stop press in the Advo-
cate, ask them to do it and appeal to them through
Rediffusion, and I am sure the Ministers of Religion
.vould not feel disappointed if you sent to them now.
You can also get it over Rediffusion and I urge
you to send to the Rectors and Superintendents in
charge of the other branches.
5.25 p.m.


I say this: if you fail to have this occasion ob-
served in all the Churches Chapels and Meeting
looms of this Island, you are failing to see that the
occasion is observed, and you are not dong your
duty to posterity, to this community or to yourself.
Tell us now who gave you that information; you
may laugh or sneer or do what you like, but the
statement which you made in here is untrue and
unfounded, unless you can say whence you got
that information. Get up and say that the person
in charge of the Roman Catholic Church or the
person in charge of the Methodist Church has givrn
you that information. I am at one with you that
the Federation should be celebrated in this way.
As to the method of treating the school children,
I do not believe that you can spend a tremendous
let of money. It would mean much to the men and
women of tomorrow for them to be able to say at
what age they were when there was the assent of
Her Majesty the Queen to the Bill establishing the
Federation. They on that side would be able to say:
'When the Hon. Premier was running the Country,
we were able to do this," but they did not think f
that. I say now: let them get on to Mr. Wiles or
whoever is responsible in the matter, and let it
be said that it is the wish of the Government that
the Ministers of the various denominations in this
.island bring their flock together and celebrate this
occasion with thanksgiving.
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: Mr. Chairman, if I live
'o be as old as Methuselah, I will not be bullied into
coming in here and saying that Mr. So-and-So gave
:,e information. The appropriate Government
Official gave me some information as to the position
dnd to what I could say in the House tomorrow. [A
MEMBER: Write that down]. And the honour-
able member can also cheek up with the Reporter
when he is finished. I am not saying that Mr. So
and So told me so and so. The appropriate Gov-
crnment Oficial has given me the information that
in addition to the Service which is to take place at
the Garrison Savannah arrangements are being
roade for Churches and Chapels to have services at
11 o'clock. The Government cannot force the
Churches to do anything; you can only ask them to
do such and such a thing.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: It is not fair to say that
the Government cannot force the Church to do any-
thing; you can ask them to co-operate, All we are
saying is that Authority has misled the Hon. Pre
mier. If that Authority has told you so-
Mr. CHAIRMAN: The hon. member is mak-
ing a speech.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: What I am entitled to
make ?
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: I have not yet finished
speaking.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: I thought the hen.
member had sat down, but do not let the Chairman
tell me that I am making a speech.
Mr. CHAIRMAN: The hon. member must
take his seat.
Hon. 0. H. ADAMS: If a Government Official
makes a statement to me as to what is to be said in
here, I am not questioning his veracity. Nobody can
bully the Church any more than the Government can
bully anybody who is the Chairman of a Hurricane
Committee when a hurricane comes. On an occasion
of this sort, you can askl people to have religious
services and there are some organizations or organ-
ised Churches as distinct from the corner Taber-
naeles. [Mr. TUDOR: That worries you.] It wor-
ries me to think that a lot of hypocrisy can be prac-


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tlned in these religious organizations, just as there
axe people who like to stir up strife, including striif
at i(lendairy Prison. The Government is not asleep,
and if anything worries me, I will say that it worries
me. It worries anybody who cares for law and order
to see that you have the beginning of the Jagan
methods or movement encroaching into law and
order; and religion is a good cloak for such a
thing.
I have got these facts; I, personally, have not
been asked to go to the schools, but must hon. memi
ters say that it is not true if I get up here and said
tiat Schoolmasters are being asked to see about
these things? Similarly, if I am told that the Churchi
es are having services at 11 o'clock, the fact that
somebody has not heard about it does not prove that
the statement given to me is not true. It may be
that some Ministers of religion have not got their
invitation yet; but why should the hon. member
make all this hullabaloo because some Clergymen
may not have been told by the Heads of their'
religious community that they are expected to hawzv
services at 11 o'clock? When the hon. member
uees that as an argument for saying that I have been
told something untrue, I do not accept that. It ma)
be well that some clergymen have not been told about
the matter, but others have been told about it.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: The Hon. Premier haa
a nice way of twisting things. We are agreed on
every point except the religious way of celebrating
the Federation on Thursday. I am granting him
this, that the Government of this Country has actu-
ally written letters to Schoolmasters asking them to
do certain things, but what I am still saying is thin,
and let the hon. member deny it; the appropriate
Government Authority has been misleading the hon.
member. If the Hon. Premier is saying that some
particular Ministers have been informed-well, I
am making a broad statement; I will say that it is
not only Ministers of the Anglican persuasion, but
Ministers of other religious persuasions have not
been told one word.
5.35 p.m.
The Hon. Premier took refuge by saying that
they have not yet been told. If they have not yet
been told, how are they going to tell their congiega
tiont The Hon. Premier said that Government got the
information on Thursday last. Let me repeat that 1
have never seen the name of one member of the Com-
mittee mentioned except the name of Mr. Wiles whom
the Advocate newspaper stated would be responsible
for the preparation of the celebrations. If nothing
has been said to the religious community, when and
how do you expect them to celebrate? As far as hon-
ourable members on this side are concerned, we are
saying that it is a misleading statement to him when
he was told that those people have been notified. We
are not saying that what he says is misleading; that
would be incorrect. What we did tell the Hon. Pre-
mier is this, and we are bearing it out with facts.
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: If the honourable member
will give way, I would like to say that I will not
only enquire into the matter but I will report this
particular Officer has told you that all arrangements
Governor if he has misled us. I do not think that will
arise but I give that definite assurance to the honour-
able member. I am referring to the particular officer
saying something is a fact and which was not a fact.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: I do not want you to do
that at all. Do this. Find out if what I am saying
is correct. You are not questioning his veracity. The
particular Officer has told you that all arrangements
are made with all the various heads of the religious
denominations. [Hon. G. H. ADAMIS: Not all.]
Which then? The Anglican or the Moravian? I am


telling you that not only some of the Anglicans but the
Moravians and some of the Metnodist nave not been
notified. We are not dealing with those Ministers
who are taking part in the service' at the Garrison
Savannah. Those Ministers have been asked. We are
dealing -with those who should be asked to hold
Thanksgiving Services at 11 o'clock in their churches
We are not dealing with those in St. Michael; we are
dealing with those in, say, St. Joseph, St. Andrew
and St. Peter. We are saying that none of those
people have been asked. He is saying that the officer
in charge said that they have been told. Will you find
find out? In fairness, what you should do is to ask
his Lordship the Bishop to notify all the Rectors.
I am going to say again that no such step was taken.
Mr. CRAWFORD: Mr. Chairman, I shall like
permission to endeavour to direct the intention of
the Committee to the issue before us in a more com-
prehensive manner. I agree most wholeheartedly that
it is important that the Churches should be asked to
participate in the celebrations and invoke the bless.
ing of God Almighty on the inauguration of Federa-
tion on Thursday; but apparently, in the minds of
honourable members, that is the beginning and the
end in their opinion of the form this celebration should
take.
Last Tuesday, the 24th July, this Resolution was
given notice of in the Assembly by the honourable
senior member for St. Joseph, and it asked for the
sum of $1,500 for the celebrations to take place on
Federation Day. The four Ministers of the Govern-
ment and the Hon. Premier sat on the Executive
Committee and similarly decided that to celebrate
the inauguration of Federation in the West
Indies the sum of $1,500 was sufficient to be
expended in Barbados and they propoesd to expend
it in Barbados by treating inmates of the Alms
houses. Have you heard anything more ludicrous
in all your lives? The Resolution when brought to
the House only asked for $1,500. That is all. Those
intelligent Ministers on that side of the Table ripre
seating Barbadian public opinion, representing a
nation on the verge of self-government, think thai
to celebrate the day rightly is to spend $1,50) in
treating people in the Almshouses who are dying oi
who will soon be dead and to whom Federation has
no significance at all.
Now, I say, Mr. Chairman, we should hang our
heads in shame at the state of affairs in Barbados.
We should be ashamed to think that we have people
of such mentality at the head of affairs. I suppose
that they read in the newspapers, like everybody else
what Jamaica and the other islands are doing; and
the idea that something should be done about the
school children then crept into their minds. After
all, the school children are the coming generation. It
is to them that federation should make an appeal.
It is they who have to work it. Federation would be
a far more interesting factor in their generation than
in ours. After hearing and reading what those islands
are doing, our Ministers suddenly decided to increase
the vote to $9,000 odd. They say that $6,000 would
be spent in giving a sweet drink and a bun to the
school children. That is the extent of their imagina-
tion and it represents what federation means to them.
To get a sweet drink factory in which the Government
must have had shares (because every now and theL
it spends thousands of dollars buying Spur Cola or
a Canada Dry drink to give school children) is the
extent of their imagination of what federation means
to them.
5.45 p.m.
As a matter of fact, every time there is a cele-
bration like this, all the Government can do is to
give Coco-Cola money; even for this, only Coca-
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exclusion that the Coca-Cola Factory has been nation-
alised and the ,Government has snares in it. That
is the extent of their imagination, a bun and a Coca-
Cola for school children. We have been living in
the W est Indies for years and have seen Empire Day
celebratedd on a most lavish scale. For years tae
imperiall Government saw fit to impress upon the
minds of the youths of the British Caribbean the
importance of Empire Day with extravagant spend-
:ng in the British Caribbean and the British Empire:
rw, the leaders of the West Indies who are on the
verge of governing themselves, with their petty
minds can only give the inmates of the almshouses
a small treat. It is not surprising, Mr. Chairman,
tnat, as I am told, the Premier said in his speech
that Coronation Day is of greater importance or
calls for a greater celebration than Emancipation
Day or Federation Day. I am not surprised because
he has not emancipated. He still has the slavish
mentality of the old Colonial who believes that
Great Britain is the beginning and end of his exist-
ence, and cannot begin to appreciate what it means
to have a chance of governing yourself. Can you
imagine any African Leader like Nkrumah or Asa-
kini getting up in an African Legislature and telling
other colonials like themselves tha4 Coronation Day
is of more significance or is deserving of more ex-
travagance in celebrating than Federation Day?
Ihat is one of the reasons why the British Govern-
ment asked him to go to the United Nations and
try to paint a picture of the Colonial Empire en-
tirely different from what it was, because he is the
only colonial who would do it; and we ought to be
ashamed in Barbados in 1956 under his leadership
(happily growing to a close), to find ourselves think-
ing in terms of celebrating Federation Day in this
manner. As far as I am concerned, I think it is an
absolute waste of money to give these children a
Lun and Coca-Cola. It means nothing at all to
them; they go in the broiling hot sun at the utmost
inconvenience for this stupidness of sharing out and
then going back home. I would prefer to see the
mney spent in a more tangible manner. You can-
not inagine this is the same Government that picked
up $75,000 and spent it on the Coronation not so
long ago. Last year when a relative of the Queen
came here, we spent $30,000 on her; and $1,500 is
srficient in their minds to be spent on Federation
Day Have you ever seen, Mr. Chairman, such slav-
ish subservience such as this exhibited by a people
approaching nationhood as demonstrated by what
is proposed to be done here today and what was
done in the past to which I have made reference?
Can you conceive of it being possible, Mr. Chairman?
At the time of the Coronation and at the time of the
-isit of Princess Magaret, the sums of money spent
then amounting to over $100,000 would have been
better spent in some monument to commemorate-
that would have been of lasting utility to the people
1fi Barbados: and I am absolutely opposed to throw-
ing away $7,000 today in this fashion and in this
r anner. I would not object to $70,000 for Federa-
tion if spent in some practical and advantageous
manner. Are the children of this country not worth
i.ore than buns and Coca-Cola? They want more
educational facilities. The $7,000 they are going to
spend on this, if voted every year over a number of
years. would give us our T.B. Sanitorium. We are
no longer celebrating Empire Day. and if we arc
it should stop. Empire Day should mean nothing
at all to us approaching self-government: and any
expenditre oenurrin in the past under Emnir T)Dav
Celebrations should more uroBerly now be added to


what we wouud spend to celebrate federationn Day,
and these two amounts should be spent in a muual:r
(d* some lasting benefit to the community. I am
amazed that hon. members should spend the whole
afternoon debating whether churches have been aaied
to join in celebrating the day. I am not ior a
moment underestimating or decrying the idea, Mr.
Chairman, of having some form of religious worship
on the day in question, but, after all, church services
is not the beginning and end of everything: and
hon. members should not by their vote go on to
condone this extravagant waste of public funds in
this manner whenever there is a' occasion of this
s-rt or some other occasion. I am not voting for
the $6,000 for Coca-Colas and buns for school chil-
dr en, because it means nothing at all to them and
is a sheer waste of public funds, and a matter for
the puny minds of the members on the Other Side
of the Table who cannot rise above this sugar-and-
water business whenever we have to celebrate an
e casion. [A VOICE: What else would you give
them?] If the Minister of Social Services was
minding his business there would not have been the
riot at Glendairy. There has been none before, but
he is more interested in "Dodds" and "Dodds boys."
The members of this Committee, Sir, should express
their down right opposition to the manner in which
we are going to officially celebrate Federation Day.
I should like to see this country voting a proper sum
of money for something worthwhile something
that will be of significance to the present generation
anid to future generations-something that could
be seen by generations to come as having been put
there by the Government in power in the inaugura-
t-on of West Indian Federation and to which we
could point with eyes with pride with the Federal
Government in the days to come adding more impor-
lance and political significance to the people of the
Eritish West Indies.
6.55 p.m.
This effort is entirely unworthy of people who
are approaching self-government; if this is all they
'can have, then this colony is neither fit nor ripe for
self-governanent. We should be the darkest and most
backward colonials in history. To begin with, if we
cannot appreciate the difference between the impor-
tance of Federation and the relative unimportance
of occasions like the Coronation and the visit of
Royalty, then I say we deserve to have the most
reactionary form of Crown Colony Government; we
have no right asking for or expecting to be given, a
greater say in the direction of our own affairs.
The Hon. Premier has his mind's eye on the Fed-
eral Parliament, but for what reason? To make the
Federation and the West Indian nation the laughing-
stock of the world? Do, you think that in Nigeria or
th.e Gold Coast where selfgiovernment has just been
given, they would celebrate the occasion in the manner
in which we are going to celebrate this occasion in
Barbados ? Do you think that anybody else is so dead
or so oblivious of what it means, as to think in terms
of celebrating the inauguration of political autonomy
in the manner in which it is suggested by this Gover-
ment, and in which we are being asked to celebrate
it today? Certainly, the people outside must, and
will marvel at our aspirations to self-government and
what not, when our approach to it is in this un-
enlightened and reactionary manner. It is a matter
of the utmost regret that the Government of Barba-
dos which feels that it may on one day give the
lead to the rest of the West Indies, should fail so
lamentably on this occasion.
The question that this Resolution do now pass
was p ,t and resolved in the affirmative.


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A division was taken as follows:
Ayes: Hon. G. H. ADAMs, Hon. Dr. H. G. H.
CUMMINs, Hon. C .E. TALMA, Hon. M. E. Cox, Mrs.
BoURNm, Messrs. HOLDER, VAUGHAN, iMIILER,
BRANCKER, ALLDER, HAYNES; E. K. WALCOTT and
GODDARD.-13.
Noes: Messrs. TUDOR and CRAWFORD-2.
The Resolution was then passed.
Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMM'INS: I beg to move.
Mr. Chairman, that you do now report progress and
ask for leave for the Committee to sit again.
Hon. M. E. COX. I beg to second that.
The motion was put and agreed to.
The CHAIRMAN reported and Mr. SPEAKER
resumed the Chair and reported accordingly.

ADJOURNMENT

Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS: Mr. Speaker, I beg
to move that this House do now adjourn for half an
hour.
Hon. M. E. COX: I beg to second that.
The question that this House do now adjourn for
half an hour was put and resolved in the affirmative
without division, and Mr. SPEAKER adjourned the.
House accordingly.
6.05 p.m.

COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY

On re-assembling;
Mr. SPEAKER: On the adjournment, the House
was in Committee of Supply.
Mr. SPEAKER left the Chair and the House
resumed Commnittee of Supply, Mr. SMITH being
in the Chair.

Loan to Elementary Teachers Association

Hon. G. H .ADAMS: Mr. Chairman, I propose
to deal with the second of the Resolutions of whiel
notice was given today and of which we have asked
leave to proceed.
Mr. Chairman, this Resolution for the sum of
$5,760 is for the purpose of making loans to six dele-
gates and eighteen observers of the Barbados Elemen-
tary Teachers' Association to assist them to meet ex.
penses of attending the Conference of the Carib-
bean Union of Teachers which will be held in a
short time-I believe next week.
The teachers of the Caribbean area have got
together to a great extent within recent years in the
holding of these conferences and I have no doubt that
it does a great deal of good, even to the Barbados
school-teachers. Apart from what is said in the Press
and even on the floor of this House, I have never met
a teacher outside of Barbados who did not pay great
tribute to the system of education in Barbados. Of
course, although our school teachers and our educa-
tional system are held up as a pattern to others, our
teachers, too, can learn a lot by going to these con.
ferences.
This Committee will remember that teachers
approached us on the occasion of the last conference.
The Legislature then voted only $150 to lend
them of the $240 they were requesting; the Legislature
voted as well for only five out of the six teachers that
were going. On this occasion, the Department of
Education feels that those who are going as observers
also ought to be helped and Government has decided
to grant their request.
The usual agreement which public officers sign
is to have the loan deducted in monthly instalments
from their salary and it is proposed to follow that
principle on this occasion. I beg to move that this


resolution for the sum of $5,760 be advanced from the
Public Treasury for the purpose mentioned.
Hon. M. E. COX: I beg to second that.
Mr. CHAIRMAN: The question is---
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: Mr. Chairman, this lReso-
lution is for the sum of $5,760. Alright. Sir, I will
withhold my comment on it until another time.
The question that the Resolution do now pass
was put and resolved in the affirmative without divi-
sion.

Supplementary Estimates, 1956-57, No. 12
Lecture Room Equipment Mental Hospital

Hon. G. H. ADAMS: The next Resolution, Sir,
is for the sum of $16,166-a supplementary Resoiu
tion covering expenditure dealing with the Mental
Hospital, Subsidies and Grants, and Miscellaneous
Services. The notes to the items are fully explan-
atory. If there is anything extra that hon. mem-
I ers need to know, the Hon. Minister of Social Ser-
vices will give the necessary information. I beg to
move that the resolution do now pass.
Hon. Dr. CUMMINS: In seconding that, 1
would say offhand that in connection with the Mental
HIospital, recently we have got down a Sister Tutor
to teach the staff mental nursing, and a lecture room
has been built for this purpose. As you see in the
note to the item, the equipment is to furnish the
lecture room so that the Sister Tutor can go ahead
and teach the staff mental nursing. This expendi-
ture comes under Head XXIII-Medical (3) Men-
ltl Hospital.
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: I beg to move that Head
XXIII-Medical (3) Mental Hospital, stand part.
Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS: I beg to second
ihat.
The question was put and 'resolved in the af
fi'mative without division.

Head XXVIII-Subsidies and Grants

'ead XXVIII Subsidies and Grants, was
called.
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: I beg to move that Head
XXVIII do now pass.
Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS: In seconding
that, Mr. Chairman, I wish to say that it is known
that we send two sanitary inspectors and two Health
Nurses to Jamaica to be trained in public health.
We have been doing that for a good many years.
Tt is a very good course and very intensive from
which those people profit much. The cost has gone
up in Jamaica, consequently our contribution must
increase.
The question that Head XXVIII stand part waq.
put and resolved in the affirmative without division.

Miscellaneous Services

Head XXIX Misceglaneous Services wss
(coled.
Hon. G. H. ADAMS : In regard to Head XXIX
perhaps an explanation will be necessary. The
amount of money spent on Leave Passages fluctuate
considerably. In 1952 to 1953 we voted $80,000 but
we spent only $19,000. In 1953-54, we voted $50,000
and we spent $34,463. In 1954-55 we voted $40,000
and we spent $24,390. Last year we made pro-
vision for $40,000 and spent $30,664. This year of
our provision of $40,000 to meet this expenditure
our already known commitments exceed that of
$40,000 by roughly $6,000 and it is thought that
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financial year. We therefore are asking for $15,000
to supplement the $40.000 in tue Estimates. I beg
to move that Head XXIX stand part.
Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS: I beg to second
titat.
Mr. CRAWrORD: Mr. Chairman, before you
the principle of Leave Passages and I moreover
put the principle of Leave Passages and I moreover
cannot accept with equanimity the prospect of
:;pending $55,000 in a single financial year in this
direction. While it may be true to say that the
annual expenditure fluctuates, yet still the figures
for the last three years reveal that there is a steady
increase in the amount being spent. In the first year,
cmly the amount of $19,000 was spent and one can
well understand for various reasons why onl5 that
amount was spent but as the idea of the availability
leave passages began to seep into the minds o0
Civil Servants and they began to utilise the oppor-
tunity offered, the expenditure began to show a pro-
portionate increase. Three years ago, it was $24,000.
Last year it increased to $39,000. That is
$15,000 more. Now this year the estimated
expenditure is $55,000, an increase by $15,000. It
may well be that by the next financial year you will
be spending between $65,000 and $70,000 alone on
Leave Passages.
Now, it is a very small fraction of the Public
Service to which this principle applies. These people,
by and large, are already in receipt of reasonably
good salaries and they also expect an increase in re-
muneration in the near future. Mr. Chairman, I
think a different House will have as a result to ad-
dress itself to the question whether or not we can
carry on this expenditure.
l.45 p.m.
Whether it is a Government concern or not, it
is a matter to which succeeding Governments will
have to pay attention to. None of us would agree
with the manner in which the Government was
endeavouring a few months ago to curtail this
expenditure, because it was an attempt to deny
deserving people leave passages who were entitled
to it just as much as those to whom Government
wanted to give it. I believe that the warnings given
Government about the amount which this thing
would entail are now being realized. We told them
when it was introduced that the amount they were
estimating for then would in a few years fall far
short of the amount which would be needed. It must
be a matter of concern to thinking people whether
or not we can spend $40,000 every year on a hand-
ful of Government servants and their wives. The
money should be spent to a far better advantage to
the community generally and those of us who were
never in favour of this imposition cannot but
seriously consider the way we are heading in this
matter. Why should we for the last five years find
ourselves compelled by law to undertake an expen-
diture which other preceding Barbados Governments
have resisted? I am of the opinion, Sir, that the
Committee should express its protest to the increas-
ing expenditure under this Head by a token
reduction in the amount asked for, and therefore I
am going to move that the amount be reduced by $2.
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: Mr. Chairman, the hon.
member is completely mistaken. I shuddered when
this come up to me. I agree and I mean every word
I said when it came up a few days ago. I agree it
is almost fantastic if we are going to spend all
this money, but the Act is there and therefore it
provides for it; and as long as it provides for it, and
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and asks for leave, I do not see that you can tell him
"no." That is what is happening: and recently we
transferred officers like Dr. Lloyd-Still and Miss
Smith the radiologist from contract to the Permanent
Establishment and that would help to increase the
commitments for leave passages. I really shuddered
when I saw this and wondered whither are we going,
But it is an Act which is on the Statute Book and
we cannot get away from it. I am glad to hear that
expression of opinion from members of the Opposi-
tion. I do not want when we come down with drasaic
changes to be criticised for giving people in the
past and not to others. I entirely agree they may be
able to link up the salaries in the Civil Service of
those who are at present getting reasonably good
salaries .
Mr. CRAWFORD: On a point of correction, I
said, that people to whom leave passages were
given were those in the higher brackets but I did
not mean the whole Civil Service is getting good
salaries.
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: Anybody getting $2,280
a year is entitled to leave passage. If the hon. mem-
ber said that, then Mr. (odsall cin go back home.
It may be with the reasonable increase on the
advice of Mr. Godsall you can cut down in leave
passages for Civil Servants; and I must repeat while
we do feel it is reasonable to give Civil Servants
these increases, it was not done as a result of any
great rise in the cost of living but with the object
of trying to keep the flow out of Barbados at a very
low ebb rather than have what is happening at
present. I was astonished when the Police Magis-
trate told me he has to enter up the Order Book
himself because the people in his office who should
do it are greenhorns, his staff having left to join
the Bahamas Police Force although they were
clerks in his office. That sort of thing means that a
Civil Servant (who is on the first rung of the
ladder by being a Magistrate's clerk) who would
leave to join the Bahamas Police Force would feel
he has more prospects there; and it is for reasons
like that that you had to have the Salaries' Com-
missioner and have a revision. But you cannot
talk about a new Hospital or salaries' revision for
which there is no provision in the amount of money
voted under the Five Year Plan. We cannot go
on spending money without realising that there is
a limit to the Public Treasury of Barbados, and I
am glad to think the Opposition is not just saying
something that annoys Government, but is seeing
the danger which will arise unless you keep a very
careful eye on expenditure here in Barbados. I men-
tioned the Hospital and salaries revision but [ have
not even mentioned Federation. That is extra money
which we have not budgeted for. and I am sure if
I suggest to the hon. junior member for St. Andrew
that the way to get money is to increase income tax
in the higher brackets he would shudder. I do hope
other members of the Opposition will see with the
Government when they come down with any scheme
for reducing leave passages and not accuse us of
letting our friends in the past get leave passages
but stopping others in the future. You will realise
we cannot go on adding to the expenditure of the
Tsland when we are dependent mainly on sugar to
rive us our revenue.
6.55 p.m.
Mr. CRAWFORD: Sir, it is difficult to undei-
rtand the argument of the last speaker. He is talk-
ing as if leave passages were imposed by some super
natural authority over the Government. It was no
supernatural authority which imposed leave passages
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down legislation to this Chamber imposing upon the
State, the responsibility for spending this money in
this manner. We opposed it strongly and bitterly
because we did not have to be wise after the event to
realise that the Country could not afford the pay-
Inent of leave passages. We told them in 1952, that
we could not afford to do that; therefore, I do not
understand what the Hon. Premier means when he
siys that he welcomes the statement from this side of
the Chamber that we are alarmed over the expendi-
ture. We did not want it at all. If it were left to
:is, not one single cent would have been spent from
the Treasury on leave passages. That is the naked
truth; therefore the Government, when it imposed
leave passages, knew what it knows now, that any
attempt to stop expenditure in this direction must
receive the support of this side of the Chamber.
The Government allowed Mr. Turner, the Chief
Secretary, to bamboozle it in to paying leave passages
to these Civil Servants, and as a Salaries Commis-
sioner, he had a free hand to do as he liked with the
Treasury. When Sir Errol Dos Santos came here to
investigate the salaries of the lesser brackets, the
report was made that the Government said: "We can
only spend so much money." Sir Errol was given
a ceiling; his terms of reference were to revise the
salaries and conditions of work in the lower brackets
and they would spend so much money on that. Sir
Errol had to award the increases according to the
amount of ceiling he was given, but Mr. Turner had
a free hand to do as he liked. He increased tne
salaries in the higher brackets as high as he liked
and then he imposed leave passages without any con.
sideration for the taxpayers of this colony. It is
an open secret that we never agreed with leave
passages.
It therefore sounds like child's play for the
Government to say that they have to pay leave pass-
ages Lecause the Act is there. Wp know that the
Act is there; they put it there, and therefore they
can repeal the Act. We are not a Crown Colony; in
the days when the Colonial Office had a more direct
say in the running of the Government of Barbados,
even in those days, the Government refused to put
leave passages on the Statute Book. On every occa-
sion that the Secretary of State for the Colonies
suggested to Barbados that we should fall in line
with some African Colony and pay leave passages,
the Government of this Colony refused to do so on
the ground that Uganda, British Honduras or British
Guiana, being comparatively unhealthy countries,
should be made to pay leave passages, so as to enable
Civil Servants to leave these unhealthy climates and
go elsewhere after a four-year term of duty; but we,
with our healthy climate, did not have to do that. It
is not once or twice that the Colonial Office wanted
us to pay leave passage, but this Government did
what in the last 100 years, every Colony refused to
do, and now we are asked: "What can we do when
the law is there?" The payment of leave passages
was not anything which was ordered by Divine
Authority or by the Medes and Persians; and there-
fore the onus falls on the Government, if it has real-
ised the error of its ways at long last and its unwis-
dom in imnosinT this expenditure on the Countiy, to
undo its sin of the past by repealing the law and
relieving the State of this unnecessary and increas-
inbly extravagant burden.

The question that Head XXIX-Miscellaneous
Services-stand part of the Schedule was pit ard
resolved in the affirmative without division.


lion. G. H. ADAMS: I beg to move, Mr. Chair-
man, that a Resolution for the sum of $16,166 do now
pass.


that


Ion. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS: I beg to second

The motion was put and agreed to.


Hurricane Rehabilitation
Sanitary Conveniences
rion. Dr. 1i1. u. .. UUI. UMLLllN: The next lteso-
Lution, Mr. Chairman, is tor the sum of $11,89t. as
lion. members are aware, this is just a re-vote to meet
the cost of restoring latrines in St. Michael women
were destroyed by tne hurricane. As non. members
will remember, after the hurricane last year, the
Government sent down a Resolution for the sum of
$50,000 for the purpose of building latrines for the
parish of St. M\lliael ior tuose desutuie people who
could not provide latrines for themselves. By the end
of March, the whole amount was not spent; there was
a balance of $11,89'8, and in order to continue the
construction of these latrines, a re-vote of this amount
is being asked for. I beg to move that this Resolu-
tion do now pass.
Hon. C. E. TALMA: I beg to second that.
Mr. HAYNES: Mr. Chairman, when I received
this Resolution, I was very surprised to see that the
only place that needed sanitation or sanitary conve-
niences was the parish of St. Michael. I am wonder-
ing what has happened to the other parishes; I vividly
remember when this vote was passed, that the Hon.
Minister of Social Services told the Committee, par-
ticularly the hon. junior member for Christ Church,
that if the other parishes had asked for aid in re-
placing their latrines which were damaged by
"Janet", they too would get assistance. However,
they did not do that; only the parish of St. Michael
did it: and therefore nothing was done in respect of
the other parishes.
As far as I am told, the parish of Christ Church
wrote to the -Government about the matter and the
parish of St. Andrew did the same thing; but to oar
amazement, we in St. Andrew have not even received
any answer to the letter which we wrote. It is a long
time since the letter was written and not a single word
in reply has been received; not even the usual card
was received acknowledging receipt of the letter.
You would have at least expected to receive that card,
but we have not received it. One wonders how these
things are being done; if St. Michael is the only
favoured parish in the whole of this Island, the peo-
ple are lucky; but the Hon. Minister of Social Ser-
vices with his knowledge, will know that if an
epidemic breaks out in one of these other parishes,
it will cost the parishes just as much money as they
could want to spend. It is of no use relieving one
parish and not the others: any of the other ten par-
ishes would be a similar breeding ground for fly-
borne diseases as the parish of St. Michael.
7.05 p.m.
These diseases will fly in St. Michael from the
rural parishes; similarly they will fly out of St.
lMichael into the rural parishes. I feel that this
matter has been very badly handled, and I am hoping
that the Hon. Minister of Social Services will give an
answer as to the reason why after giving his promise
on the floor of the House to help the outer parishes,
ie has not kept his request.
Another matter which I would like to draw to
your attention is one on which I have already spoken
in this House and it is with regard to some wooden
latrines which were built by the Board of Health
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inat the parties concerned had to sign a letter to the
effect that the latrine loaned them was Government
property. They could not move it from the spot and
it was taken for granted that that would not happen.
Those latrines are not many. They are probably 15,
20 or so in the parish of St. Andrew but they are
dropping to pieces to-day because there is nothing
in that Clause to say who should repair them.
Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS: If the hon.
member would not mind, will he speak a little louder ?
I cannot hear him from over here.
Mr. HAYNES: Mr. Chairman. I was saying
that there were some wooden latrines which were
built by the Board of Health and loaned to people
ir the various parishes-they were not given to them.
I happen to know that on one occasion one person to
whom one was loaned moved to St. Michael and
moved the latrine along with his house; he was asked
Io move the Government's latrine back to St. Andrew.
He had to sign a letter before he got it, that it was
the property of the Government of Barbados. Now
.a peculiar position has arisen, as a result of the loan
ing of those latrines, so to speak, because they are
allowed to drop to pieces.
As I have said, on the first occasion when we
w ere dealing with a Resolution for federation, the
general community of Barbados is going to suffer for
aill the comforts they should get as a result of feder-
ation. I would say it now, and all the time that
unless some economy is practised in other directions
it will never advance in the right direction.
Mr. GODDARD: Mr. Chairman, the Hon. Minis-
ter of Social Services sometime in February of this
year came down with a Resolution for the sum of
*50,000 to construct sanitary conveniences for people
in the parish of St. Michael as a result of damage
in the Island. We on this side of the Table wondered
why St. Michael was singled out for assistance in this
respect and Christ Church and St. Philip had been
left out. The Hon. Minister informed the Commit.
tee then that St. Michael had made requests and not
the other parishes.
I remember asking the question that surely if
St. Michael had made that request, was it at all
necessary that the other parishes should make a
similar r request? I said so because the Hon. Minister
of Social Services, as Minister of Health was Minister
of Health for Barbados and not St. Michael alone.
Well, the following week I took the matter up at a
meeting of the Sanitary Commissioners for Christ
Church and I was assured by them that a letter had
been written to the Minister of Social Services con-
cerning the same matter a week before the Resolu-
tion came down. That letter was written on the 30th
January, 1956. The Commissioners of Health for
Christ Church pointed out to him the conditions that
were existing in that parish, as.a result of the hurri-
cane, and that persons so affected were unable for
financial reasons to replace their latrines. However,
ofter he told me that he did not receive the letter,
the Commissioners of Health for Christ Church sent
a second letter on the 13th February: a week after
he told us that similar treatment would be made to
other parishes and to-day T have enquirer about th-
matter and I can tell you that we have not even got
a reply to any one of those letters.
Now, it is always common courtesy, if the Hon.
Minister of Social Services is busy, for his Permanent
Secretary or one of his Assistant Secretaries to answer
formally a letter coming to his office. I would like
to know (and will ask him to make a note of it) what
has become of those letters, whether they have beum


answered and what is the result. I would like hiu
to get up as soon as I sit down and tell us what is Lhe
decision reached in respect of those letters with re-
gard to the latrines that were destroyed in the other
parishes. Disease is no respecter of persons.
I will state now that the number of iactrnes
which were destroyed by "Janet" in Christ Church
is 1,198. We also told the Hon. Minister of Social
Services that there were 1,488 people who had no
latrines even before "Janet" stepped in; they had to
resort to other means. We also drew to his attention
the sanitary conditions existing at that date. I would
ask the Hon. Minister of Social Services to make note
of that again and pay attention to it. However, I
must ask him again: why come down for this small
sum just to build a few more latrines for the parish
of St. Michael?
7.15 p.m.
When I say that Christ Church has got none.
1 will qualify it with this. These pre-fab houses
that were given to Christ Church were also given
latrines; all have not got yet, but naturally the per-
sons who were given pre-fab houses and moved into
them were given latrines. I am asking for a Reso-
lution to come down for those persons whose toilets
were destroyed and those who have not had, who were
unable to provide theirs in the past, to build and
establish on these sites the 2,000 and odd toilets
required. It is more important than many of ihe
oiher things done to-day and I would like to know
your reason for only assisting St. Michael and entire-
ly leaving out the other parishes.
Mr. ALLDER: Mr. Chairman,-- -
Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS: 1 will answer
your question the same time; I know what you want
zo say. Well, Sir, the position is this. I do not
know anything about the first letter which the h;n-
member referred to as having been sent to the Min-
istry. I did not see that, but I did see the secondd
letter which was rather vague. You will notice that
in St. Michael mainly old age pensioners and par-
ochial pensioners who were unable to provide one
for themselves were helped. The Christ Church ap-
plication gave no figures and I referred it back ask-
ing them to send me particulars about these toilets
but I have not heard of it since. [A VOICE: The
information was sent.] Well I am very sorry, but I
am sure I never got the information from Christ
Church I am sure the hon. member does not expect
me as soon as Christ Church says that 2,000 toilets
were destroyed, to say, "Here is the money." I must
be satisfied that there are people unable to provide
one for themselves. I sent an answer to that effect
and I told you I have not heard anything more about
it. To answer the hon. junior member for St. An-
drew who is not in his seat will also answer the hon.
senior member for St. John. I have not seen any
letter from St. Andrew up to now. I made a note of
them here and will enquire, l'ut he referred to some
latrines that were loaned to the parochial authorities
at St. Andrew by the Government, and these were
loaned to the parochial authorities with the under-
standing that they would keep them in repair, That
is one of the conditions on which they were loaned to
the authorities; that answers the question in St. An-
drew. St. John's position is a similar one. They
wrote telling me that these toilets were not destroyed
tut damaged by the hurricane. That was the posi-
tion in St. John and the same answer to the effect
that the latrines were loaned to the parochial author-
ities with the understanding that they would be kept
in a condition of repair, applies in that case: so, Sir,


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that answers the enquiries asked by members on the
Other Side.

Mr. ALLDER: The Minister of Social Services
certainly cannot .read my mind. However, what I
wanted to know is if these latrines were such a ne-
cessity, why have so many been allowed to remain at
the Pine for so many weeks, apparently finished,
without being delivered? Certainly if they are for the
purpose of accommodating these people who had lost
theirs since last year, then the delivery would have
been done more expeditiously. What has happened
is, for weeks--and many weeks too-when one passes
tuat way, you could see and can still see several of
these latrines up there being weather beaten; and if
ihe necessity was as great as we were caused to feel,
I am sure that before one was completed, arrange-
ments would have, been made for its delivery. There
must be some short-sightedness on the part of those
whose business it was to make and to deliver them.
This is true not only in the case of these latrines, Sir,
but even with the prefab-houses which were to be
delivered to those who have been promised them. The
people are still waiting for some months since last
year. and many of them have already started to pay
the Department allotments for them and yet cannot
get delivery. The whole thing, Mr. Chairman, is
being bungled. It is not only to do good but to do
it quickly, and I am sure that when these latrines are
removed from the spot on which they are, they may
not be in a sufficiently good order to make the people
feel that they are good enough for their service, be-
cause as far as I can see, some of the people would
privately construct a better type of latrine than what
I see up there. I do not know what the cost of the
latrines are but they certainly do look like a shabby
job.

Mr. GODDARD: Mr. Chairman, I still do not
understand the Minister of Social Services. I would
like to know what information he wants from Christ
Church that he apparently got from St. Michael. We
have stated the number of latrines that were destroy-
ed. Did he have some other information from St.
Michael which prompted him to take the action whieb
t did R There is only one thing which they did not
do that St. Michael did. and that was the report in
the Daily Advocate in big headlines that they wer"
so many latrines destroyed and that they were also
creat chances of an epidemic of Typhoid breaking
out. and that brought the Minister of Social Services
and his staff into action. That is what caused him to
, me down with a Resolution for $50,000 to build
those latrines. If that is not so, would you tell me
what information the Sanitary Commissioners of St.
Michael gave you which we have not given? That is
what I want to know because I want to give it to you.
Tf there is any other information you want, do let me
know. I am telling you now, as I told you by letter
on the 13th February, that 1,198 latrines were de-
slroyed by hurricane "Janet" on the, 22nd Septem-
ber. Do you wish to know how badly destroyed they
were or damaged, -because I said destroyed. There is
no wood left to put them back at all. Investigation has
tsken place by the Sanitary Authorities of Christ
Church and this is the number reported. Every
house is recorded, as they have had to bring in books
to the Chief Sanitary Inspector and he can give you
name for name: but you certainly do not want that.
There are 1.198 latrines destroyed and 1.488 homes
that never had at all. That is the information in our
Hooks and we would be grateful for any assistance


you can render, but if I do not understand what in
formation you want, please get up and tell me.
7.25 p.m.
iMr. CUltWFUILO : Mlr. Uhainuan, iinemung to
ltese speeches I am remmaea of a remark .y Sir
6dwara Staubs at the tune te Royal Commussion
:.dme here in 1938--39 that barbados had to thank
God for itself and not its Medical services. I can
imagine if he came here now he would say, "Thank
God, I am not the Minister for Medical Services.
The hurricane occurred since last September, it
is now almost a year since then, and these latrines
which have been destroyed have not yet been restored.
The next thing is this; would you believe, Mr. Chair-
man, that out of the new latrines which have been
built, only 88 have been sited? The parish of St-
Michael was supposed to get 825 latrines; up to the
end of March this year, 495 had been constructed and
only 88 of these have been sited! We are now told that
the sum. of $38,102 has been spent including the cost
of materials to construct the remaining 330 latrines.
if these 495 latrines have been constructed, why is it
chat they have not been sited? What is the cause of
'1e delay in this matter? Surely, in a matter of this
sort, haste is of the essence. What are the people
using now. It is not a matter of a kitchen or a
shed-roof, it is a latrine; and certainly the entire
affair is characteristic of the indifference or laziness
for both) of the Ministry of Social Services.
Do you mean to say that it takes over a year to
restore 825 latrines-you have only sited 88-and
t.he construction has been so long delayed that you
have to come here in July, and ask for a revote of
..oney which has been voted in the last financial
., car? Is this the way in which the Ministry of
Social Services approaches important questions of
health? And why is there this discrimination m
avour of St. Michael as against the other parishes?
The cost of these latrines is being borne by the Public
Treasury, and certainly, the taxpayers in St. Philip
and Christ Church-the two parishes which have
t een the most hard hit by the hurricane-make their
proportionate contribution to the Treasury. Hov
ever, it is only in St. Michael that the Governme.nt
finds it necessary to give some financial assistance to
people in the restoration of those latrines which have
been destroyed.
I doubt very much that you could find a tiing
:lke this duplicated in any other part of the West
Indies. There may ue some delay in the construction
o" houses, but there could be no excuse for-either tne
delay or the indifference with which this matter has
been approached by tne Ministry concerned. As fast
a.s these latrines were completed, they should have
been sited. Either these latrines are required, or
they are not required. You either build them and
site them immediately, or you do not build tnem at
all. There could not be any excuse for our having
to re-vote in July money which has been previously
voted for conveniences of this sort. Certainly, if
the Government had appreciated the vital importance
cf health and sanitation to this Country, tne money
would have been expended before the financial year
had expired, and the latrines would have been sited
on the respective spots long before the 31st March
this year. What are they being kept for at the
Pine? For an exhibition? Thep are of no use to the
people there; the place for these latrines is the place
,or which they were built.
Tkhe question tnat this Resolution do now pass
i. as put and resolved in the affirmative withoutt
oYlision.


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OFFICIAL GAZETTE


Supplementary Estimate General Hospital

lion. Dr. H. G. Ii. CUMMINS: The next Rezo-
lution, Mr. Chairman is for the sum. of $37,779, to
provide training for 35 addition Student Nurses at
mle General Hospital. The position with regard.to
the Nurses at the General Hospital is somewhat orit-
ical. Between now and the end of the year, there are
36 Nurses who, as they have intimated, will be leaving
lhe Hospital and we cannot wait until these Nurses
have left to start training Nurses to take their places.
'This training scheme is to be started in September
f.d recruitment will be done in batches of 12 per-
sons. The recruiting for the first 12 persons should
lake place early, so that in September when the school
is ready to be opened these Nurses will be selected.
This Resolution in its Schedule gives in detail
the expenditure in connection with the training of
these Nurses. As hon. members will see the items
are: Living-out Allowance, Ration Allowance, Cost
of Living Allowance, Provisions, Furniture Equip-
ment, Clothing and Uniforms, Cleaning, Laundry
and Water, Printing, Stationery, Telephone and Ad-
vertising. Even although this money will be spent
in the training of new Nurses, yet when the Senior
Nurses have left the Hospital, naturally their sal-
aries will be saved. When a Senior Nurse leaves the
Institution, the amount of her salary remains in the
Treasury, and, as I have already said, this $37,779
is for the purpose of the training of these Nurses.
There are some other proposals which will come
before the House shortly with the object of trying to
encourage our Nurses to remain here instead oi
going abroad. With these proposals it might be
very difficult to attract these Nurses because of the
attraction abroad plus the spirit of adventure in
desiring to see somewhere else; nevertheless, we have
to try to do everything at our disposal to get these
Nurses to remain here after they have been trained.
The position is all set out in detail in the Addendum
to this Resolution; I beg to move that this Resolu-
tion do now pass.
Hon. C. E. TALMA: I beg to second that.
Mr. ALLDER: Mr. Chairman, I would like to
ask the Hon. Minister of Social Services if he would
consider the advisability of reducing the qualifica,
tion for Student Nurses who apply for posts at the
General Hospital. What has been observed is that
there are many young ladies who would be glad to
become Student Nurses, but it is demanded of them
that they be in possession of School Certificates or
some similar qualifications, and many of them who
are not in possession of su-h qualifications are re-
fused admission to the Hospital. The Hon. Minister
w would know, as others do know, that there are some
young ladies who would make very efficient Nurses,
but they are not given the opportunity to do so. I
would like the Hon. Minister to say whether the
Hospital Authorities would consider reducing the
qualifications required for these student Nurses.
Hon. Dr. H. G'. H. CUMMINS: We have re-
duced the qualification to a certain extent, but it
is all bound up with the matter of reciprocity as re-
gards our nurses trained here if they go to England;
and secondly, we have to conform to English stand-
ards and requirements. The English standards for
nurses is a School Certificate or its equivalent. I
may say that they should be told that there are
girls leaving here with qualifications lower than that
of a School Certificate who are doing nursing in
hospitals in England but in the English hospitals
tl ey are, at least two classes of nurses. There is what


is called the State-aided Assistant Nurse. That is
lower status; so that while it may appear, as I have
been told, that girls who were 'refused at our Hospi-
tal have gone to England and have got trained as
nurses, yet they do not get the R.S.N. They are
trained as Assistant Nurses but they cannot go
further. Of course, they do examinations and if
they improve they may go up and enter the ranks
of full nurses; but at the moment, at those Hospitals
which require them, they go on as Assistant Nurses.
I may say that we are quite willing to do it.
As a matter of fact, we have been considering it.
For the purpose of reciprocity, a School Certificate
is one of the things they require to be a full nurse.
the girls must have a good educational background
to become a full nurse.
Air. ALLDER: Mr. Chairman, I want to ask if
we cannot please ourselves. Do you have to ex-
change nurses with those in England and they ex-
change with us Is that what you mean?
Hon. Dr. H. 0. H. CUMMINS: No. There are
a few nurses who leave here to qualify and who go
away for higher training to come back as Depart-
mental Sisters. A School Certificate is the background
they must have to become a Departmental Sister.
While it is true that we please ourselves, if we want
our girls to be properly trained, we must see to it
that they are up to the required standard.
Mr. ALLDER: Mr. Chairman, there is nothing
to prevent us from having two streams of nurses.
!.eeause of our adaptability, and also the fact that
many of our nurses in the past have become efficient
nurses, there is no reason why we cannot create a
system where you will have two streams of nurses
ore stream in which you will have the type of nurse
Vo meet the requirements overseas, while the other
stream could be of the type which would assist us
I' call in the running of our Hospital. There is a
definite need to make provision in the nursing pro-
fession for some of our girls who may not have to a second grade school or who were not sueesfuw
in getting a School Certificate. That does not mean
that their intelligence is lower than those who get a
School Certifleate.
What is more, our provision for them in this
service would assist a lot of them in getting employ-
ment and training. Many of them run around
saying that they hear that we have abandoned the
School Certificate as a means of entry into the
nursing profession and because of that, they ask if
they can get a recommendation to assist them. When
they make such an attempt they are told "No, that
is not sufficient; you must have a School Certificate."
('he Hon. Minister of Social Services knows that
most of the best nurses that were at the General
Hospital have never had any more educational
training than what they received at an Elementary
School. I am sure the Hon. Minister can remember
old Nurse Forde and others who gave yeoman ser-
vice in all the Departments of that Institution; and
I am sure that his recommendation of such a system
as I have been suggesting would bear some weight
in making things easier not only for some of the
young ladies who want to get into the Hospital as
nurses, but for the patients also. It is a fact tha4
certificated nurses as soon as they get a year or so
of training, are certainly going to leave us and go
overseas for higher training, so we may as well start
and permit girls who are not certificated to go there
and get the training so that when the others decide
to go overseas we can have them to help us.
Mr. BARROW: Mr. Chairman, if the hon.
junior member for St. Thomas would spend a little


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less time in chasing round the parish of St. George
and wasting gasolene and would devote that tune
on the affairs at the General Hospital, he will realise
the reason for the exodus of nurses from the Bar-
bados General Hospital is mainly due to the mal
administration under which they unfortunately find
themselves at this stage. Despite the efforts of the
Medical Officers to improve the lot of the nurses,
you get a situation in which an imported matron
of the Hospital is allowed, after this House voted
money under Head XXIII Medical (2) General
Hospital, Items 36 and 37 to pay Staff Nurses and
Ward Nurses, to fill five vacancies out of 45 undei
the grade of Staff Nurses and Ward Nurses. A loiL
of the nurses who have left the Barbados General
Hospital have done so because of the hon. junior
j or St .Thomas who is supposed to be a member
of the medical profession and who has been a man
fulminating for years in the opposition against the
administration at the General Hospital. Now, he
has actually got a Matron of the General Hospital
to keep out Barbadian girls from the higher ranks
of the nursing profession.
It is an absolute disgrace that only five appoint.
ments should have been made in the past year out
of forty-five vacancies in these two grades. I counniil
the Hon. Minister of Social Services that Monday
night is not the time to spend in St. George; ho
should be devoting himself to his files. If you are
paid to do a ministerial job, you should come intc
the House after having very carefully scrutimsed
the work done by your subordinates. You should
study your brief, learn your lesson and at least b,
able to give some coherent and lucid explanation
as to the reason why this House should vote these
sums.
If the hon. junior member for St. Thomas looks
carefully at the Resolution he would see under
Head XXIII Medical (2) General Hospital, 40
(a) (New) Student Nurses Class "D", that that
is on new item at all because under the Annual
Estimates for the year you will see that Student
Nurses, Class "D" has already been an enumerated
class. Therefore, it is quite wrong to say that Item
40 (a) is a new Item.
7.45 p.m.
Of course, these little details are matters winch
the junior member for St. Thomas considers beneath
his notice, but there are other things which are
obviously above his head, and with the improper
administration at the Barbados General Hospital
with two and three people in one bed, if I were a
doctor, I would be ashamed of the conditions espec-
ially with the power and support of this Chamber -
and try to remedy the unfortunate conditions al
the Hospital.
Now, Mr. Chairman, if the member for bt.
Thomas, as he said in his explanatory remarks, wants
to stop the exodus of trained nurses from the Bar-
bados General Hospital, I counsel him to do two
things apart from minding his own business: firstly
improve the conditions under which the nurses have
to live, and secondly, give them promotion when
there are vacancies open at the Barbados General
Hospital for nurses in the higher branches of th.;
nursing service. Do not keep forty vacancies for
two and three years on the staff of Ward Nurser
Grades. As a matter of fact, I checked with the
Barbados General Hospital at six o'clock this evening
and he does not know the first thing that goes on
at the Hospital. He did not know whether there war
a toy-magnet at the Hospital, but he sent a man to
Trinidad to get a piece of wood taken out of his
eye..


Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: Steel it was a piece
of steel.
Mr. BARROW: He sent a man to get a piece
w-o-o-d taken out of his eye; it was clammycherry
wood and you can ask the member from St. Thomas
and that wood is still in the man's eye. [A MEMBER:
Shame!] I do not think that people should go about
masquerading as social reformers or any other
reformer, social or other wise or as a person who
is supposed to be doing good for the community
and using his knowledge for the benefit of suffering
man-kind when he is only a sheep in wolf's clothing.
Hon. M. E. COX: Order!
Mr. BARROW: In distinction of course, to
the member who shouted "order" who is a wolf in
sheep's clothing. I would like the member for St.
Thomas when he comes in here at least to say
something that ordinary intelligent human beings
can understand, and not the bunch of mambo jambo
which is spouted out here today; because up to now
nobody who hasn't a Resolution in front of him is
able to understand head or tail the raison d' etre of
the Resolution or the reason why the member for
St. Thomas should be speaking on it at all. In short
it would appear as if he considers that the solution
to the problem of retaining trained nurses at the
Barbados General Hospital is to ask the House for
mcney to train not fifteen more students nurses Class
"D" as in 1955-56, but to train 35 student nurses
in the last class of probation nurses at the Barbados
General Hospital. The only nurses who are remaining
at the Hospital are those who have rheumatism and
who are too old to attempt the rigours of the Cana-
dian climate, the ones who are overweight, and those
who have such strong family ties in Barbados that
they are reluctant to leave home; but any intelligent
young girl as soon as she qualifies at the Barbad a
General Hospital shakes the dust of that institution
off her feet, and no wonder. Under the present ad-
ministration, such a state of affairs should occur
day after day. I hope that there will be a re-orienta-
tion in the outlook of the member for St. Thomas.
Perhaps he needs a refresher course in administra-
tion or medicine and perhaps, he needs to go into
something better than the St. Thomas Almshouse
and see how it is run. Perhaps, on his frequent visits
to the United Kingdom he might devote some time
an,' thought to the workings of Hospitals like St.
Bartholomew's, St. Thomas' or other well recognized
teaching Hospitals, and not only look around them
but ask a few questions and get them to write in
words of one syllable so that he can understand.
Mr. CRAWFORD: Mr. Chairman, I was
amazed to hear the Minister of Social Services admit
that, there are two types of nurses in the United
Kingdom, that the first grade nurse is a girl who
has a school certificate, and the nurse who is without
that basic qualification can become as Assistant
State Nurse. As a matter of fact, he even went
further and admitted that sometimes those girls
without school certificates began as Assistant State
Nurses and ended up as qualified State Nurses. If
that be the case, Sir, why is the Selection Committee
under his direction giving young girls who are
endeavouring to get to England to study nursing
so much trouble? The Government Scheme for girl
to go to England to study nursing refuses to admit
them, for unless you have a school certificate you
are not selected by the Committee.
7.55 p.m.
I go further, Mr. Chairman, It is a well-knowL
fact that Mr. Louis Lyneh of the Modern High
School has been selecting Hospitals in Great Britain
which would accept young girls without School Cer-
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Nurses. What has happened is that the -Gover- -broad unless she has a School (erUclcae. rV1n
ment, the Minister and Selection Committee have tie incaase in unemployment in this Country, and
done everything possible to prevent the recruitment 2U months after the Scheme is in operation, there
of these girls who have not got the School Certificate. is a scheme which debars every girl from going to
[Mr. TUDOR: Shame!] [Mi. E. D. MOTTLEY ureat Britain unless she has a School Certificate.
That is not true.] When the girls go before the Selec- And now the Hon. Minister of Social Services is tell-
tion committee, they are asked all sorts of questions. jg us tonight that a girl can go to Great Britain
LLe Committee wants to know if they can speak without having a School Certificate, and qualify as
Welsh, why they want to go to the Hospitals and all an Assistant State Nurse, and that if she is I right
sorts of irrelevant, absurd and impertinent ques she can qualify as a State Nurse! From the Hou
Li(n are asked. The Committee wants to know if the o-Minister's admission here tonight, he is not qualified
parents of these girls are alive, if the girls have Hos- for the post of Messenger in the Ministry [Lva"glHte"]
pital equipment, by whom they were trained, and I do not know what to call it; the girl who are
every single obstacle has been placed in the way of leaving the St. Michael's Girls' School, Queen's Ccl-
these girls going to Great Britain for the simple rea- lege and all the State-aided Schools, cannot find any
s.on that the Government does not want the continued work in Bridgetown, and the hand-picked Committee
exodus of these girls to 'Great Britain because it says: "If you have a School Certificate, we will help
shows them up. you," otherwise these girls cannot go abroad. I re
Nearly 2,000 girls have gone to U.K. Hospitals, peat: 300 out of nearly 2,000 who have gone abro,
and only about 300 have sponsored by the Govern- have been sponsored by the Government! A Minis
went; the proportion of girls going to England under ter who is interested in the welfare of the people and
Government auspices and otherwise, is 6 to 1 against in his Ministry would have about 5,000 girls in Eng-
Ihe Government. Through the Selection Committee, land, because the need for them is there. Everybody
they have deliberately placed obstacles in the way cannot be an ordinary Nurse; they can be State
of a further large-scale recruitment of people, who Nurses as well. In the same way as they wanted
have not got School Certificates, going to England, Hotel workers in England, they want other people
although the Hon. Minister has confessed that girls as well.
can go to England and qualify as Assistant State Even if the Government extends its policy and
Nurses and in some cases they can qualify as State embark on large--scale recruitment of girls who have
Nurses. It is a shame that the Government and the not got School Certificates that is no excuse for the
Hon. Minister should do nothing to extend these experience of the last 20 months.
avenues of employment, but rather hinder people I will tell you something else Mr. Chairman ;
from going to England when on their own admission, people have been going to the Labour Department
people can find employment and qualify for filling and trying to get loans to go to Great Britain
positions in the Nursing role. They are not inter- and do you know what they have been doing?
(sted or energetic themselves to get more places for They began by writing to Mr. Lynch and asking him
Nurses, and they oppose in principle the attemptP for a list of those Hospitals to which he was sending
which are being made by well-meaning people in the Nurses. Mr. Lynch clearly suspected something,
r('onmunity to find work outside the Colony for these and he sent them a list of Hospitals which refused
girls. to accept Nurses. [Laughter]. It appears from
Ask them, Mr. Chairman, how is it that of the what they have been doing, that every time a girl
1,700 girls who have left this Country, most of them goes in, they check the name of the Hospital which
without School Certificates and most of them with- will take a girl who has not sot a School Certifleate:
out any help from the Government, and with all the I do not know whether they eircularised those HTck
machinery at their disposal, they can only find places pitals or what.
in Great Britain for 300?- With all the millions in 8.05 p.m.
pe -Treasury put there by the people of this Coun- Nobody knows what happened but the fact remain-
try, those who want to get money to go abroad can ed that there is a tendency on the part of those
only number 300 who are qualified forl assistance, hospitals not to take any more. The impression we
and the other 1,700 found money to do so. Their have Mr. Chairman, is either that the Government
I parents had to borrow money and sell what they had, is at long last very ashamed of the success of private
because the Government had insisted that it can only effort in getting girls into hospitals in England or
assist girls who possess School Certificates; yet the it is seeing to it that its indifference and neglect
Hon. Minister admits here that girls can go to Eng- would not be shown up by these abnormal propor-
land without School Certificates and qualify as tions on the part of these who are going privately
State Nurses. The time must come when the people and those whom they are sending.
must be told how they have been penalised and kept Now, Sir, whether the report be correct or not
down; every single Minister is a square peg in a the Mister nd the v erment stand condone d
round hole. Instead of helping to find work for peo because the Minister has admitted that without a
pie--well, I- personally was of the opinion that the trained as a nurse. Whether or not that has been
Hon. Minister was completely ignorant of the situa- the case, the Government owes an explanation to the
tion in great Britain; it never occurred to me that public for its policy over the past 20 months in
he or his Government really knew that girls leaving knowing what the position is and still refusing to
here without Shool Certificates would be accented in recruit and get people abroad unless they have a
a British Hospital and could qualify to fill a position School Certificate.
in it after a while. You ask the thousands of relatives Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: Mr. Chairman, I have
of young girls: they have been beseiged by the girls a few questions to ask the Hon. Minister. I expect-
asking- for loans: unless their parents are represent ed that this Resolution would come to the House, be-
tives in this House, the Selection Committee refused cause I think we all know that these Nurses at the
to give them assistance unless they have School Cer- General Hospital are really seeking greater oppor-
tificates. tunities in life by going to England. I would like
From the time of the operation of the Scheme the Hon. Minister of Social Services to pay a little
they have refused to assist the girl who wants to g attention to a suggestion which I am going to make.


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1 have discussed the matter with many nurses who
left for England. What I would like to find out
from the Hon. Minister is if anything can be done to
attract these nurses to stay in Barbados. Is i' not
possible to have something done as regards to the
qualification of nurses, so that those trained at the
General Hospital will get similar recognition outside
of Barbados as nurses similarly qualified? From
the nurses' point of view, Barbados is a superior
country to live in when compared with England, and
in all respects health and many other things Can
the Government do something to see that nurses who
are qualified here will receive a Certificate of similar
standard as that which nurses who are similarly
qualified receive in England? That in itself would
be an attraction for them to remain here.
My second suggestion is that the time has come
when you will have to increase the remuneration of
nurses at the General Hospital. I am going to make
a statement of fact to which I hope the Hon. Minis-
ter will give an .answer. Is it a fact that within the
last three months 29 nurses were recruited at the
General Hospital and for the first month which they
all worked, only nine of them were paid and at the
end of the second month that nine again were paid
and at the end of the third month they paid a few
more and the others left in the fourth month; which
means that about 19 of those nurses were not in re-
ceipt of lany money at all? By what yardstick have
you measured those whom you have paid against
those whom you have not paid ? I would like the Hon.
Minister to give an answer to that question if he
can.
i have criticised on the floor of this House the
General Hopital and the people who handle the
nurses. I have had to criticise on the floor of this
House tihe rudeness of some of the Matrons and im-
ported officials at the General Hospital and after
some time it ceased; I heard no more of it. The Hon.
Minister of Health knows well enough that some of
the criticisms when investigated were found to be ab-
solutely correct. Now, I have observed that some of
the girls who had requested letters of recommenda-
tion from the Matron and other such persons at the
Hospital were spoken to very rudely. I am saying
this because I would like it to be known that when
officials are imported they are still servants of the
people, and while we should not encourage nurses
to be rude to the Sisters land what not, we are not
prepared to condone with any Sister or any such
type of person to be using any insulting language to
any of our girls. That sort of thing has been re-
ported to me. When our girls make such applica-
tions, they are told that they are not needed in
England and what not.
I do not appreciate the reason why they do not
want our girls to go to England and why they put
on so much airs when they see them going. They
come here feeling they are supreme: so they hate to
see our girls go to this country to see the conditions
under which they live. T want this to be borne in
mind, Mr. Chairman. My criticism is not confined
to European heads only. because what the honourable
senior member for St. Philip said was also brought,
to my notice.
8.15 p.m.
I understand now that Government has appoint.
cd a Selection Committee comprising of certain local
people. Now, I want to draw this to the Minister's
attention:' it is infinitely better to have people who
are white on the Selection Committee than to have
black ones who feel they are white, becanse in so
dcing you select the worst tvne for the Committee-
,c.me who have come from absolutely down to bottom


and who are more likely to insult tne gir. than ehe
white ones on the Committee. I will repeat: it is
better to put white people on the Committee than
to put black ones who have been dragging up, and
i detest them more than the white ones. When we
are therefore looking for people to put on the Selec-
tion Committee, let them remember they are by the
graje of God more fortunate, and who if they did
not have a School certificate or a job would find them-
selves before the Committee. But one wonders whether
instructions have been given to them to do this. What
tile hon. member said is true; there is no white per-
son who would ask a girl if she can speak Welsh,
but some black Hottentot. Can you imagine a person
looking at a girl who may have got superannuated
from a school and asking her if she can speak Welsh
purely because she has no School Certificate? This
is piercing to me when I think of it. We have got
-o get up in this House and criticise some of the peo-
pie for the attitude they have adopted, but I do
appreciate Government's attitude in getting people
who would know more than they, but they unfortu-
nately got middle-class Barbadian women of whom
i is typical to skin up their noses at every little
black girl in the place because they do not want
them to get too near to them. It is a most ridiculous
state of affairs that you should have to put them on
the Committee, and the same girls come back com-
Saining for them and the attitude they are adopting.
I do not want to go into the question of the Hospi-
tal tonight, but I just want the Minister to answer
the questions I have asked as he is fully conscious
that when I make a statement on the floor of this
House I can back it up with proof. If it is a fact
that these people are putting obstacles in their way
by asking embarrassing, stupid questions, it would
appear therefore, that they were sent there to pre-
vent the girls from going or from even getting an
opportunity to go. T would like you to speak to them
and let them know they should not try to stop people
from going out of the country, because if it appears
vou are attempting to put people there who are not
allowing them to go out, we are bound to get on a
rublie platform and let people know now how we
feel about it. Would the Minister say what he
knows about the twenty-nine girls who have been
employed un there and who have not been paid and
why they were treated so?
One last point: it is commonplace at the Hospi-
tal to take these girls on and after working them for
three months-would the Minister listen, because
you have to answer me?-you look at them and say,
"well, you just have not got through and not
another word." You may not have liked the looks
of the girls: but if they work for three months and
do not get through, you should still give them some-
(hinms for the three months they have worked. I
would like to know something about that because
the last person this morning who came to me
about this matter did not know this was
going to be discussed but he was very in-
dignant about the treatment of his daughter
She may not have got through her exams. her
head might be too high or you may have said she
might be civil but not servile. The honourable
member might say that I am a member of the Hospi-
tal Advisory Committee, but let me tell you this: I
personally care very little about that Committee.
The duty of the Advisory Committee is not to call
greetings to say you are going to nive out tenders.
I have too much work to do if that is all the
Committee is there for. If you ask me to come and
give my advice on how to do some particular thing,


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I would say "yes"; but if after two years you have
a tender for meat or fish, the Hon. Minister knows
well enough that I would not attend a meeting for
that purpose. If as a member of the Advisory
Committee I ask anything about the work at the
.Iospital, I would be told that is a matter of admin-
istration and is nothing to do with me. I hope you
will be able to tell me as I think you must have had
it on the file because you anticipated there is more
to be said on the question of emigration. I want
therefore, Sir, the Minister to tell us why they work
some of these girls and after three months dismiss
them and pay them nothing. If I took anybody in
my office and worked them for three months and
then told him: "I have tried you out and you would
not do," you would see the attitude they would take.
they would condemn me before the public; so if you
employ them for three months, at least you should
pay them for that time. You would condemn any
store in Bridgetown. It was an old system here in
Swan Street for people to employ a person for three
months, and send them away afterwards: at the
end of the year they hired nobody at all. You can-
,ot do that because it is not fair to them. Why are
you keeping these girls and have only paid nine
or ten of them and have not paid the other eighteen
8.25 p.m.
Mr. TUDOR: Mr. Chairman, the political in-
decency which masquerades for Government in this
island is now reaping its own. rich rewards, and the
absence of the constitutional conventions which ougnt
to guide this island is now working the hardships
which we will know would come.
We were not supposed to have a practising
Physician as Minister of Health; there is nothing
written in any Constitution which stated that, I:ut
because of the low level to which our politics have
been brought, it appeared to those who are respon-
sible for giving us Ministerial government that be.
cause one of their number happens to be a Doctto,
he was more suited to be Minister of Health. It is
jest as they argue that because one of their number
I as had some experience in Primary, Secondary and
Higher Education, therefore, he should have the
port-folio for Education. But in neither case did
they consider first the needs of the people of the
Island which they would administer. Therefore, the
bcickens have some home to roost in almost every
Department in the administration of this Island, but
ii none more so than the Departments of Health and
Education. Of the hash which has been made of
Trade, Industry and Commerce, there is no time to
speak tonight, or of that nonsense which has be n
going on in the Ministry of Communication, Works
and Housing.
Mr. CHAIRMAN: I would like to find out
from the hon. member on what Item he is speaking ?
Mr. TUDOR: I am glad, Mr. Chairman, that
you have reminded me of your own duties; I cannot
make a speech unless I am in full command of the
matter on which I am speaking. All that goes to
show that there is something radically wrong not
necessarily with them, but with us because thL
fundamental principles of Democratic Government
must be that no Government can really be more
.oolish than the people who put it in power. We
rwe now drawing the attention of this Chamber to
the 103 things which are wrong with the Hospital
and with the administration of Public Health gener-
a.lV in this Island. It is a long, sickening and sorry
tale of mismanagement and neglect; but if, Mr
f'hairman. there was one influential voice in thi-
Tsland with a sense of responsibility to question ths


propriety of the Minister of Health who happens to
be a practising Physician-
hlon. Dr. H1. (. H. CUMMINS: On a point of
Order. Are we considering this Resolution in re-
spec:, of the training of these additional Nursest
Mr. CHAIRMAN: Yes.
Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS: Then, will the
Lon. member confine himself to the Resolution which
i, before him?
Mr. CHAIRMAkN: The honourable member may
proceed.
Mr. TUDOR: I was justifying my statement that
the Minister of Health is a practising physician, and
it is because he is a practising physician that he has
no time to attend to the poor people in the Institution.
If there was one responsible person in this island who
could enforce the working of the Hospital, and the
functions which should go with Ministerial Govern-
ment, he would not be telling us now by implication
of the neglect for which he is responsible. He pre-
sided over a Ministry which is, perhaps, the most vital
one in the island, and yet from week to week, if not in
here, somewhere else, his attention is continually
being drawn to what happens at the Hospital; he is
now going to pretend to us that he is only now but
he is now going to pretend to us that he has only
now discovered (or, only in recent weeks) that he
needs more nurses. It is that he meeds more of
everything connected with the administration of
his Ministry; he is only sitting in his Ministry
tomfooling and doing nothing with the port-folio
which he has to administer.
Anybody would be surprised to hear of neglect
in the Hospital when it occurs to him that a Doctor
is the Head of that Ministry. I have stood in
this House before, and challenged him on an ap-
pointment made at the Hospital in the Department
of Medical Services an appointment which I
thought at that time was not in the best interest of
this Colony.
IMr. CHAIRMAN: I was waiting on the hon.
member to make his point but it does not seem to
me as if he is going to make it; I am therefore ask-
ing him now to keep to this Resolution. This Reso-
lution is a Resolution for $37,779 to be granted
from the Public Treasury and placed at the dis-
posal of the Governor-in-Executive Committee to
supplement the Estimate 1956-57, Part 1 Cur-
renlt, as shown in the supplementary Estimate
1956-1957, No. 14, which forms the Schedule to
this Resolution. The Addendum to this Resolution
says this: "To provide for the training of thirty-
five (35) additional Student Nurses in consequence
of tfhe heavy loss of the trained Nursing Staff and in
anticipation of further resignations." I am quite
willing to hear the hon. member on that.
Mr. TUDOR: Are you finished Sir?
Mr. CHAIRMAN: Yes.
Mr. TUDOR: I was saying that that Officer
who happens to be the Medical Superintendent of
the very Hospital whose Nurses you are inviting me
to discuss is, I think, the saving factor of what
would otherwise be a disastrous situation, and
although I criticised him on the working of the
Hospital then, I wish to say on the floor of this
House now that I take back everything I have said
about him, because in making contact with him in
the actual atmosphere of the Hospital, I find that
he is not only a tower of strength, but he appears
to have an uphill task in running the Institution
of which he is the Medical Superintendent. I wish
to pay him public tribute for the work which he is
doing because I know what he is up against.
S It is alright for people when they are consid-
:ering the Hospital to talk as if it is being admin-


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istered from the very top with the utmost care and
attention; but that is not the case. The situation
which has developed now with respect to the
Nurses is a situation which everybody except the
Minister of Health had foreseen. He knows (who
better than he?) that there is, and has been for some
time, a shortage of nurses. He knows of the disgust
which has motivated a lot of them in leaving the
Hospital, of the frustration which faces those that
o remain, and 'of the utter lack of the prospect
which was expected of the nurses when they most
deserved it. If he knows that and does nothing
about it, then he does not deserve to be tne
Minister of Health; and if he does not know it,
then he is not deserving of a seat in this Assembly
an'ln' with the rest of us who know it.
The Nurses feel that, first of all, they are not
convinced that their conditions of service while
they are being trained are the most ideal. They
are convinced that their superiors the Matron and
the people immediately under her, look upon the
Barbadian girls as being inferior to them. These
girls pass as their personal servants and, as it were,
as intruders who are impertinent enough as to want
to go abroad to be trained as Nurses.
8.35 p.m.
As if that honourable profession should be
denied Barbadian girls! It is largely due to the
mounting unemployment in this Island, and nothing
other than that, which has turned the attention of
so large a number of our girls to the profession of
nursing. It is not so much that the majority of them
feel that they had a cull to be a nurse but because,
like any other profession, it can bring in money;
and money is what they need in these hard times
which they experience. The story told of their
neglect, in some cases to discourage the going out
of girl io be trained, is too well known to be re-
peated, but it has to be emphasised because it is
that, and nothing else, which has caused us to be
in the position which we find ourselves.
It is curious that these nurses whom the Minis-
ter wants trained and for whom he is now making
provision-he does not want them to be trained as
midwives; but, perhaps, there is nothing in that be-
cause they may feel that there is no necessity to train
those girls as midwives as the work done by midwives
is becoming less and less
However, so far as the General Hospital is con-
cerned, there are a lot of things to which they should
pay particular attention. First of all, every en-
couragement should be given to the Barbadian girls
whom they are training" to rise on the staff of the
degree that there merits and talents permit; and
secondly, that those circumstances which make for
happy, contented and efficient nurses should be sn-
couraged. One such circumstance is, of course, the
food and nourishment which. they are given. [A
VOICE: They get good food.] Yes, I do know that
they get good food but it is not cooked properly. The
one such circumstance which stands out among all
others and which should be drawn to the Hon. Min-
ister of Health is that the nurses are required to do
strenuous and exacting work on very little or poorly
cooked food. You spend almost $300,000 on provis-
ions. You have the opportunity, Mr. Chairman, of
purchasing the best food that there is, and you also
have the opportunity of cooking it properly, because
there is the possibility of employing the best cooks,
:hefs. and cooking exn..rts.. So there is no excuse that
patients or nurses should be deprived of that nourish-
ment which is necessary for the restoration of health
in the case of the patients, and the completion of their
duties in the case of the nurses.


Another thing, is this, Mr. Chairman. If Bar-
badian nurses are made to feel that there is something
iadically wrong with their wanting to go further
in their profession, and every obstacle is put in their
way and every discouragement is shown to them,
merely because they may want to be the best type
of nurse that they can be, you will be fostering a
feeling among them that you are only employing
them at the General Hospital on precisely the same
basis on which you employ janitors and janitresses
in the schools; that is just to do a job of work, the
intrinsic value of which does not concern you; and
therefore, you are giving as little encouragement as
you can. The fear and the suspicion which some
nurses have, namely that for some particular reason
or the other, they will not be allowed to qualify in
their profession, is the one thing which you must
remove: and the quicker, the betLer.
Things like living-out allowances and ration al-
lowances are administrative provisions: and it should
iot take a lot of energy on the part of the Hon.
Minister and his subordinates to work out a suit-
a ble arrangement with the nurses and the people
concerned in those matters. It is silly to have people
complaining that something is wrong with their
laundry and ration allowances. That is something
vhich can be settled by agreement, just by hearing
what people have to say on the matter and what
you have in mind to meet their requirement and
striking a balance between the two. There are com-
plaints which arise out of the fact that these mat-
ters are not satisfactorily settled.
There is even a more important aspect to this
matter. If these Barbadian girls who either work at
the General Hospital or abroad and have left, or
who have never been to the Hospital and have been
now trained can be convinced by you that there is
a future for them in your local Hospital and in
your health services generally, their patriotism will
cause them to return home so as to take their place
in the ranks of the Public Service of this island. It
is sheer necessity which is preventing them. Where
they are trained, quite naturally, as well trained
nurses, they will take every opportunity to set out
further for better prospects rather than to return.
If the Hon. Minister of Health would rise to the
occasion, and show by actual deeds the policy that
he has, and that his Government is really interested
in providing efficient hospital services, and if he can
communicate that conviction to those girls who are
abroad, he might succeed in getting a number of
them to come back and take up positions which they
should take.
But they cannot be blamed if they do not see 'n
such evidence a change of heart or a change of police
and you cannot expect nurses, Mr. Chairman, who
have had to leave their own hospital-and with, such
difficulty-to seek further training in the United
Kingdom or Canada, to consider lightly the question
of returning to the set of conditions from which
they have so happily escaped. It is therefore most
important that the policy of the hospital should be
constantly under review, that the Minister of Health,
if he can spare the time away from his own private
practice, might pay a little more attention to what
is his first and foremost duty, so that the hospital
for which he is responsible may receive a little of
the attention that it deserves and that the people
who work there should give of their best to their
fellow countrymen.
8.45 p.m.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: Mr. Chairman, there is
an aspect of this'matter that should be drawn to the
notice of this House and nublie. You may not bo
aware of it. but in Barbados a strange occurrence
has taken place; that is. these student nurses or


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OVsIJA UAZ_ VJAUAY di9


any one employed by this Government today are
debarred from joining a Trade Union. It would be
strange to know that the Government has stated that
it is illegal for the workers who are employed with
the Highways and Transport to be members of the
Trade Union; therefore, it is also illegal for these
student nurses to be memb ers. The hospital now
is using money out of Colonial Development and
Welfare Funds; and one of the things which the
Colonial Welfare Act has indicated is that no funds
should be paid out in any territory in which a
Trade Union cannot function; and the very Gov
crnment of this Island is debarring these people
front becoming members of the Union. I can say here
that Mr. Matthews from T.L.O. and his labour code
which is to be produced to the Union is going to
be make a settlement for them; but I hope when I
come to deal with the Trade Union Act, and the
amendment that stands in my name, I will be able
to, have the matter settled. It is a disgrace that Bar-
bados which boasts of the best constitution in the
West Indies, should not have this, while next door
in Trinidad and in British Guiana these people
eau be members of a Trade Union of their choice.
The Barbados Government says it is illegal for
these people to become members of a Trade Union
and they have not even given a reason why it is
.ilegal. I say that you are sleeping on these import-
ant democratic rights of the people who have to vote,
aid that you should attempt to ameliorate them and
put them in order; but in 1956 with Government
using millions of dollars to renovate the Hospital,
they are saying that these nurses cannot join a
Trade Union and we feel the Salaries' Commissioner
will have to speak for these people. Are you going
t) ask the Minister to speak for them, or should they
have their own representative? I draw it to the
notice of the public so th'It thoe- of us who feel
strongly about aspects of public life would take it
up
lion G. H. ADAMS: I would like to reply to
that remark. The Government of barbados has said
nothing of the sort, let alone any Act saying that.
The Civil Service Regulations says a person must
belong to his own Association and through the As-
sociation he can bring up any complaints or griev
ances. That has nothing to do with the Government;
and even if it did, I would support it. We have a
Livil Service, with divisions suitable to the different
ranks of the Civil' Srvice. with Iheir own officers
and Presidents, and they can put up every conce'v
able grievance. If they have not got the guts to :1o
it, that is a matter for them. Many Government in-
stitutions like the Police have their own Association,
and T repeat it has nothing to do with the Gov-ern
ernment of Barbados. I knew about this night before
last from reading a. cop'y of the Report which the
Trade Union is goino to make, but for the hon. mem-
ber to get up and make an accusation against the
Government of Barbados when some of us have
Known only since he know and his statement about
the TTiphways and Transport employees gives a corm-
uletely wrong impression of what this Government
has had to do with the matte".
Mr; F. L. WALCOTT: I repeat, whether: it is a
wrong impression or not it is his feeling since 1925
of what a Trade Union should be. Even today 'he
feels that the Trade Union should not strike or
should only do so after they have received his ao-
probation, but the Government states it is illegal for
members of Highways and' Tiansport to be members
of' the Trade, Union. He wants to divide the Govern-
ment so that when there is something good, Govern-
ment will get the praise, but when there is something


adverse, there are like Jekyll a d Hyde especially
wnen they feel we are masters of this place. We are
not masters. When we can see in Trimndad, Jamaica,
British Guiana these people are members of the
Trade Union and that the Police Force is not de-
barred, what monumental nonsense is he telling us
here tonight. Nurses who are members of a Trade
Union have nothing to do with the Association; an
A.l'Ociarion is not a 1'rade Union. A Trade ijnion
has to be registered under the Act; you can join al
Association but not a Trade Union because you are
not registered under 'the Trade Union Act. He would
like to keep them out of a Trade Union, but I say if
that is his theme he is living in a Fool's Paradise;
and if he is not going to allow them to join a Trade
Union he would see he would have to send for troops
as they had to in Cyprus.
n1on. U. if. ADAmLS: I have no desire whaleviJ
to anticipate what is going to happen in the future.
When the appropriate time cames for the honourable
member to continue as he is continuing, the people
of this Island do not have to hear me say it but there
are others who will know that the honourable mem-
Ler is repeating an accusation wholly untrue. 1
have heard members on my left express surprise at
what the honourable member said to-day that the Civil
Service and Civil Servants are responsible for con-
ditions to the Head of the Government. You have a
Public Service Commission and you also have Colon-
ial Office Regulations and as Civil Servants you come
under them. I was not saying that the same things
that apply to the Exeeiutive grade of the Civil Ser.
vice apply in its entirety to the Policemen. I merely
said it was a, practice of many Governments and in
many countries for Civil Servants and Police to have
their own associations rather than join the ordinary
Trade Union.
I do not mind. what the honourable member says
about me or about this Government; he will have to
r-un hack to this government for protection and safety
.c. he did in the Advocate strike.
..i.-. V. L. WALCOTT : I will not have that. Whin
you find a coward like him in a debate like this talk-
ing about running for safety, when he wanted to tell
us at the meeting that there was an illegal strike,
I' challenge him to come over to the Union on Sunday
and see if the people do not throw him down the
stairs. He is a villain.
[Asides.]
Mr. BARROW: Rose. to sneak.
Mr. CHAIRMAN: Will the honourable member
take his seat for a moment? I am drawing to the
attention of the hon. junior member for St. Peter
that he has disobeyed the gavel of the Chair; I want
to draw the hon. member's attention to the fact that
he is breaking the Rules of the House by disobey-
ins the Chair.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: I am very sorry, Mr.
Chairman, but you will remember the remark which
was made by the Hon. Premier.
Mr: CHAIRMAN: The hon. member must take
his seat.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: Do you want an apology,
Mr. Chairman? I am pointing out that that remark
made by the IIon. Premier is the type of remark
which you will get in an alley or a rum shop. I am
very sorry for that, but he will get his true deserts.
Mi. BARROW: I deplore the turn which the
debate has taken especially when the hon. senior
member for St. Joseph was so ill advised to raise
the question -
Mr. CHAIRMAN: If the hen. member is going
to speak, let him speak on this TUAsolution. f am not


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entertaining anything other than that; this Resolu-
fion is in respect of the training of Nurses.
Mr. BARROW: Precisely, 1ir. Chairman, but
-arising out of these Nurses are the remarks Which
have been made by the hon. senior member for St.
Joseph. T am really on a point of information. I
understood the hon. member to say vis-a-vis the
status of the Nurses and everybody else, that the
C(vil Service is a Civil Service and the Government
,s the Government.
Mr. CHAIRMAN: I am nothing to do with
that tASIDES]. The hon. junior member for St.
xucy has had his time to speak. I amn asking the hon.
-senior member for St. George to deal with this Reso-
bition; I am nothing to do with the Civil Service.
Mr. BAJiRROW : This is a resolution for mte (ivil
Service, and arising out of the Resolution, the hon.
senior member for St. Joseph has said that the Civil
Servants should have an Association. I only want
to know what the Auditor General was doing at his
meeting earlier in the month.
1r. F. L. WALOTT: You cannot have any
pontifical statement being made by anyone so as to
throw salt in the eyes of the Legislature, that these
people cannot join a Trade Union 'unless it is an
Association of themselves alone. That is not true.
In Antigua these people are members of the Trade
Union; in Trinidad, you have Civil Servants be-
longing to the Federated Workers' Union, and are
you telling us in Barbados now that you would not
allow these people, or are you going to tell these
people even if they want to join a Trade Union which
is not a Civil Service Trade Union, that they have no
right to join itt That is one of the main charters
for which we fought at the I.L.O.; are you saying
that people like these should not be entitled to be
members of a Trade Uhion? If it is illegal, how does
it become illegal? Does the Trade Union Act deprive
these people from being members of a Trade Union ?
Over ten years ago, the Colonial Office gave
people the right W jof :a ade fitiA; the Teachers
have a Union and they are registered. In Trinidad
the Teachers' Union is affiliated with the Trinidad
& Tobago Union, and you have the Federated
Workers' Trade Union represented by workers in
Trinidad, The Transport Workers' Union in British
Guiana is' the most powerful organisation in B.G.. Do
you want to tell me thht because these people are
drawing ttteir salaries from the Government that
they cannot be members of a Trade Union? I say
that if these people want to be members of a Trade
Umiion, they must h ve the right to be such, and
nobody can debar them.
Imagine the Hon. Premier saying that if these
people want to be members of a Trade Union he
would not support tha.t. amd that if they have an
Association let them be members of that Association
That is just like our passing a Law saying that if
you want to be a member of a Union, you must be a
member of the Barbados Workers' Union, because
that is the only Trade Unioman The Government did
not reply to that letter and say that they feel that
this Union does not represent the majority of people,
therefore they are not recognising it; they said ii
is illegal. When the- Hon. Premier gets 76 or 8E
years old, I will be his age: if a.y of the Ministers
of the Government feels today that in any industrial
matter' in whieh. the Govermnent has to intervene,
that somebody has' to run to them, then I say that
they ate livitig in"a a' fool's paradise.
Mr. CHAIRMAN I1 am sTeadkilg to the hon.
junior member fbt St. Peter. The hon. itember is
straying fiom this Resolntion; he s bold not allow
his temper to evertle' hin.


Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: I am endeavouring to
point out -
air. C'tHAIRP AN: I will warn the hlon. member.
Let me read this to hii:
A standing order pased on 28 February, 1880,
and amended on 22 November, 1882, provided that
when a Member is named by the Speaker for grossly
disorderly conduet, disregarding the authority of the
Chair or abusing the rules of the House by persist-
ently and wilfully obstructing the business of the
lHouse or otherwise, a motion may be made "That
such Member be suspended from the service of the
House," upon which the Speaker forthwith puts the
question, no amendment, adjournment or debate
being allowed.
When a Member is named by the Chairman to a
Committee of the whole House, the Chairman forth-
with suspends the proceedings of the Committee and
reports the eircumstalees to the House."
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: Mr. Chairman, it is
not my intention, to disregard your riling. You sat
and heard the remarks which were only a reply to
what T said originally. What I was at pains to point
out waI that in so far as those student nurses are con-
cerned, there should be no illegality so far as their
having the right to join a Trade Union and there
should be no question that in any group of workers
joining a Trade Union and any dislocation taking
plawc and Covernmnint having to intervene, that
,omecbodv will get up a-nd sa, "you had to run to the
government. You do not talk of conventions of
Government in a boastful manner. When you get
them cutting across this. They are trying to show
you when y6ti have an industrial dislocatifon that the
Government has nothing to do with it. You can
clearly understand from the preserit motor car in-
dustry and steel strikes which have taken place in
Great Britain and the United' Staes of America
respectively why both Governments had to inter-
vene. Do you think in having said "you had to run
Io mp aitd 'yoit hafd to'-idW 6ti s6iid" that fir have
done smnethin t~ which y' u- hahoKl not hZi done?
Any Trade Union would be very discourteous if the
Government intervenes in a dispute and the Union
says that it is not meeting the Government.
I was drawing to your attention and to toie
public that nurses or any Public Servants have a
right and should be given the right to join a Trade
Union and that there is noting illegal for them to
join a Trade Union.
Mr. CHAIRMAN: I say again that this Reso
lution is to provide for the training' of 35 additional
Student Nurses, I take it that these nurses are to
he recruited and that they are not working yet.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: They should be entitled
to join any Trade Union of their choice; because
they are working people.
Hon. M. E. COX: Mr. Chairman, I think I
should make my position clear. The hon. junior
member for St. Peter said that the Government pass-
ed some law to prevent Government Servants from
joining a Trade Union.
Mr. F. L. W'ALCOT: I never said that the
Government passed any law; I said that the Premiem
was wrong.
Mr. CHAIRMAN: As. far as this Resolution
is concerned, there is nothing abbut the Highways
and Transport BbaIrd' afd I ari not' editertaining it
any more.
The question is that tflfs'Resb'luti ~i -
Mr. E. D. MO'TTLEY: Youi danhot put the
question yet, Sir. I asked sethe questions.
Hon. Dr H. : H. CUMMINS: Mr. Chairman,
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questions. One was as regards some nurse:
recently employed at the General Hospital who have
not been paid. He asked if I heard that some of
them were not paid. Well, as far as that is concern-
ed, I know nothing about it. [A VOICE: He
never knows anything.]
Tile other question was in connection with the
recruitment of nurses for overseas.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: Mr. Chairman, if I may
remind the hon. member, what I did tell the Hon.
Minister was that 29 nurses were recently taken on
at the General Hospital, and of that number they
paid nine for the first month, and nine for the second
month and at the end of three months there were
some who were not paid anything at all. The next
question was as regards to the policy of recruiting
them in the Hospital for a period of three months and
then saying to them that they have not qualified or
that you are not satisfied with their work, therefore
they can go. If that is so, I am asking the Hon
Minister to say something.
Hon. Dr. H. 0. H. CUMMINS: Mr. Chairman,
I do not see how that can be so because from the time
girls enter the Hospital to be trained as nurses, they
are paid.
Mr. E. D. MOTTLEY: I see the hon. member's
position. Mr. Chairman, I never make any state-
ment unless it is a statement of fact. These nurses
were just not paid. I will ask the Hon. Minister to
do this for me. If he finds that any of the nurses
are not paid, will he promise me that they be called
back and be paid? I am saying again that they
were just not paid. It is not fair to work them as
probationers and not to pay them.
The question that the Resolution do now pass
was put and resolved in the affirmative without
division.

Supplementary Estimate No. 15 Police:
Furniture for Caribbean Federation

Hon. G. H. ADAMS; Mr. Chairman, the next
Resolution is ror the sum of $5,695 to supplement the
Current Estimates. It is comprised of two amounts.
As regaras the first, Head XV POLICE,
Furniture and Office Equipment, the Note to it says
that of the provision of $50,000 in the 1955-56 Capi-
tal Estimates for the erection of a new Police Station
at Hastings, an amount of $1,440 was allocated for
the purchase of furniture. This allocation has proved
inadequate and an amount of $695 is necessary to
complete the furnishing of this station.
As regards the second-Head XVIII, Caribbean
Federation that is also for furniture. According to
the Note, the Government has recently been ap-
proached to supply on a rental basis the furniture
needed for the Pre-Federal Staff during the time
when the temporary Headquarters which have been
made available for the "Key" Officers of the Fed
eral Government at the new Bay School Building
are being used. This Resolution seeks to provide the
sum of $5,000 which is the estimated cost of the
furniture required.
We have been asked if we can supply the furni-
ture for the use of the Pre-Federal Staff at a rental
basis. We said that we would do so subjct to the
Legislature voting the money. They will be renting
it from the iGovernment of Barbados.
If of course the Federal Capital comes here it
is reasonable for us to expect them to ask us to srl1
it to them, but for the time being it will only be rented


I beg to move that the Resolution for the sum
of $5,695 do now pass.
9.15 p.m.
ilon. Dr. Ii. G. H. CUMMINS: I beg to second
that.
The question was put and resolved in the, affr
nativee without division.
On motion of Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS sec-
onded by Hon. G. H. ADAMS 'Mr. CHAIRMAN re.
ported the passing of six Resolutions in C~imittee
cand Mr. SPEAKER resumed the Chair and reported
accordingly.
On separate motions of Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUM-
MINS, seconded in each case by Hon. C. E. TALMA
thr Resolutions were read a first and second time
and agreed to.

BARBADOS LIGHT AND POWER COMPANY

Hon. M. E. COX: Sir, as I hinted to Your
Honour this afternoon you will remember on Tuesday
last the hon. senior member for St. George made a
statement that the Government had or rather the
Barbados Light and Power Co. Ltd had already be-
gun to lay down pipe lines for the purpose of pump-
ing' water from the sea and so on, and that we were
just wasting time coming to the House with this
Resolution. I tried to make a statement at the time
hut the House adjourned before I had the oppor-
tunity. I went into the matter very carefully and
there is no foundation of fact in the statement what-
ever. All that has happened is that pipes have been
dropped up there, but no excavation or work of any
sort has been carried out. As a matter of fact, the
Company could not have carried out any work un-
til such time as Legislative approval was .given to
the Resolution, so as I said there is absolutely no
truth in what the hon. senior member for St. George
said.
The Order Paper having been fixed -

TRADE UNION BILL

Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: Since Government Busi-
ness is finished, before I left here I started to deal
with No. 1 of Private Memoers' Business standing
in my name; but since that aate, I have not reclev-~
any information whatever in relation to this matter
With regards to the remarks made by the Premi,'r
I cannot accept his statement in good faith that he
lhs any intention of carrying out what he said.
Hon. G. H. ADAMS: 'he hon. member said
that he cannot accept in good faith any statement
made by me. I cannot allow that to pass. I object to
that.
Mr. SPEAKER: The hon. member...
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: 1 am expressing my
opinion because what he ham ..
Mr. SPEAKER The lion. member will allow
me to speak. The hon. junior member for St. Peter
has simply said that he no longer believes in the as-
suirances given by the Premier. would not consider
the words he used referring to his no longer having
good faith in such assurances as being unparliamen-
tery; that is just his mode of thinking.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: Mr. Speaker. this Bill
is a Bill to amend the Trade Union Act to nrovidc
for peaceful picketing whether it is at a man's home
or at his place of business. It does not matter who
votes or who does not vote. The reason for this
amendment is that a similar Bill exists not only in
England but in other narts of the Caribbean because
it i, reo-arded that if an employer can send to ,
home with a private motor car and bring an employee
to work. the workers have as much right to go to
that man's home and persiiade him not to come out


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Mr. SPEAKER: Does the hon. member intend
t, proceed with this?
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: Yes.
Mr. SMITH: If the hon. member intends to
proceed with this, I feel it is time that the House
should adjourn for dinner and then come back. It is
twenty minutes to ten now and I was in the Chair
ll afternoon and I feel if the member wants to
carry on, the House should adjourn or I will have
to leave, because after all my stomach is not like an
ostrich's.
Mr. F. L. WALCOTT: Mr. Speaker, I have not
the slightest intention of depriving the hon. member
of his dinner, and if it is his wish that the adjourn-
ment takes precedence I would be prepared to do
so; but it is my intention if they have come to the:
end of Government Business to proceed with this


matter; because after the delay that has taken place,
1 am satisfied we might not see this amendment in
this Session at least. I am here for this Session and
I have to see it through; and after I have got it
through this Session, anybody may amend it or re-
peal it.

ADJOURNMENT

Hon. Dr. H. G. H. CUMMINS: Mr. Speaker,
I beg to move that this House do now adjourn until
this day week Tuesday, 7th August, 1956, at three
o'clock p.m.
Hon. M. E. COX: I beg to second that.
The question was put and resolved in the affr-
mative without division and Mr. SPEAKER ad-
journed the House accordingly.


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