Supplement No. 2

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NOTICE No. 1 -(second publication)


The House of Assembly will meet on Tuesday
8th January, 1957 at 3 o'clock p.m.


Resumption of Duty

R. N. Jack, Acting Labour Commisioner, ox
the 4th January, 1957.
(M.P-L. 2975)

J. R. Edwards, Police Magistrate, Districts
"D" and "F", on the 31st December, 1956.
LM.P.-L. 55 Vol. II)

Dr. M. A. Byer, Director of Medical Services,
on the 1st January, 1957.
(M.P.-L. 3441)

A. J. H. Hanschell, Acting Puisne Judge, on the
2nd January, 1957.
(M.P.-L. 739)

G. L. Taylor, Judge, Assistant Court of Appeal,
on the 7th January, 1957.

G H. Scott, member of the Public Utilities;
Board, on the 29th December, 1956.
(M.P.-6860/S.1 Vol. II).

The Honourable Dr. A. *. Cato, M.L.C., Police
Medical Officer, District "A", sixteen days' vaca-
tion leave with effect from 26th December, 1956.

Acting Appointment
Dr. A. L. Stuart to act as Police Medical Officer,
District "A", with effect from 26th December, 1956.
(M\.P.-L. 3057)

Cinematograph 'Film Censorship Act, 1940
-C. L. I. Bowen, Member of the Cinematograph
Film Censorship Board, with effect from 1st.
February, 1957.

Mrs. C. L. L. Bowen, Secretary to the Cinema-
togLral)h Film Censorship Board, with effect from 1st.
February, 1957.

E. F. L, Morris, to be a Member of the Cinema-
tograph Film Censorship Board for the period 1st.
February to 31st August, 1957.

Miss N. B. Burton, M.B.E., to be Secretary to
the Cinematograph Film Censorship Board for the
period 1st. February to 31st August, 1957, in con-
junction with her duties as a Member of the Board.
. M.P.--1524/S. 1 Vol. III).

Justices of the Peace
His Excellency the Governor has appointed
the following persons to be Justices of the Peace:-
AW. T. Gooding,
J. P. E. Williams.
(M.P.-1807/39 Vol. IV).




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The following constable has resigned from his
office of Island Constable with effect from 27th De-
cember, 1956:-'
Ebenezer Sobers.
(M.P. 141/39 Vol. II).

The following constable has resigned from his
office of Island Constable with effect from 2nd.
December, 1956:-
Joseph Alleyne.
(M.P. 141/39 Vol. II)



The application of James Adolph, shopkeeper of
Sand Box Ave., Chelsea Rd. St. Michael, for per-
nmission to sell Spirits, Malt Liquors, &c., at board &
shingled shop with residence attached at Sand Box
Ave., Chelsea Rd. St. Michael.
Dated this 7th day of January 1957.
N.B.-This application will be considered at a
Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, District
"A", on Friday the 18th day of January, 1957, at
11 o'clock, a.m.
Police Magistrate, Dist. "A".

The application of Carmen Alleyne, Shopkeeper
of 130 Roebuck St., City, for permission to sell Spirits,
Malt Liquors, &c., at bottom floor of a two-storey
wall building at 130 Roebuck St., City.
Dated this 7th day of January, 1957.
To:-C. A. ROCHEFtORD, Esq.,
Ag. Police Magistrate, Dist. "A".

N.B.-This application will be considered at; a
Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, District
"A", on Friday the 18th day of January, 1957, at
-11 o'clock, a.m.
Ag. Police Magistrate, Dist. "A."

The application of William Savoury of East-
bourne, St. Philip for permission to sell Spirits, Malt
Liquors, &c., at a board and galvanized shop attached
to residence at Water Street, Christ Church within
District "B".
Dated this 4th day of January, 1957.
To:- A. W. HARPER, Esq.,
Ag. Police Magistrate, Dist. "B".

N.B.-This application will be considered at a
Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, District
"B" on Tuesday the 15th day of January, 1957 at
I1 o'clock, a.m.
Ag. Police Magistrate, Dist. "B".

_ I_ I __

Dated this 4th day of January, 1957.
To:- Miss M. E. BOURNE,
Police Magistrate, Dist. "A".
for Applicant.
N.B.-This application will be considered at a
Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, District
"A" on Tuesday the 15th day of January, 1957 at
11 o'clock, a.m.
Police Magistrate, Dist. "'A."


The application of Rufus A. Maughn, shopkeeper
of Eagle Hall, St. Michael, holder of Liquor License
No. 466 of 1957-58 in respect of a board and shingled
shop with residence attached at Eagle Hall, t.
Miehanel, for permission to remove said Liquor License
to a board and shingled shop with residence attached
at Mansion Rd., Bank Hall, St. Michael, and to use
it at the said last mentioned premises.
Dated this 7th day of January, 1957.
To:- Miss M. E. BOURNE,
Police Magistrate, Dist. "A".
N.B.-This application will be considered at a
Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, District
"A", on Friday the 18th day of January, 1957, at
11 o'clock, a.m.
Police Magistrate, Dist. "A."

The application of Myrtle Archer, shopkeeper of
Haggatt Hall, St. Michael for permission to sell Spir-
its, Malt Liquors, &c., at a board and galvanized shop
attached to residence at Haggatt Hall, St. Michael
Dated this 5th day of January, 1957.
To:- Miss M. E. BOURNE,
Police Magistrate, Dist. "A".
N.B.-This application will be considered at a
Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, District
"A ", on Wednesday the 16th day of January, 1957 at
11 o'clock, a.m.
Police Magistrate, Dist. "A."

The application of Ruth Morrison of Silver Hill,
Christ Church, for permission to sell Spirits, Malt
Liquors, &c., at a board and galvanized shop attached
to residence at Silver Hill, Christ Church within
Dist. "B".
Dated this 4th day of January, 1957.
To:- A. W. HARPER, Esq.,
Ag. Police Magistrate, Dist. "B".
for Applicant.
N.B.-This application will be considered at a
Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, District
"B" on Tuesday the 15th day of January, 1957 at
11 o'clock, a.m.
Ag. Police Magistrate, Dist. "B'"'.

The application of Milton DaCosta Arthur, ship-
keeper of Porey Spring, St. Thomas for permission
to sell Spirits, Malt Liquors, &c., at a board and
shingled shop at Cr. Fairfield and Tweedside Roads,
St. Michael.



The application of Ismay Walrond of Pegwdl,
Christ Church for permission to sell Spirits, Mait
Liquors, &c., at a board and galvanized shedroof at-
tached to residence at Pegwell, Christ Church within
Dist. "B".
Dated this 4th day of January, 1957.
To:- A. W. HARPER, Esq.,
Ag. Police Magistrate, Dist. "B".

N.B.-This application will be considered at a
Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, District
"B" on Tuesday the 15th 'day of January, 1957 at
11 o'clock, a.m.
Ag. Police Magistrate, Dist. "B".

The application of Morris Hunte, shopkeeper of
Bibby Lane, St. Michael for permission to sell Spirits,
Malt Liquors, &c., at a board and galvanized shop
situate at Bibby Lane, St. Michael.
Dated this 5th day of January, 1957.
To:- Miss M. E. BOURNE,
Police Magistrate, Dist. "A".

N.B.-This application will be considered at a
Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, District
"A", on Wednesday the 16th day of January, 1957 at
11 o'clock, a.m.
Police Magistrate, Dist. "A."

The application of James A. Tudor & Co., of
Westbury New Road, St. Michael for permission to
sell Spirits, Malt Liquors, &c., at a wooden and gal-
vanised building at Workmans, t. George.
Dated this 4th day of January, 1957.
To:- A. W. HARPER, Esq.,
Ag. Police Magistrate, Dist. "B".

for Applicant.
N.B.-This application will be considered at a
Licensing Court to be held at Police Court, District
"B" on Tuesday the 15th day of January, 1957 at
11 o'clock, a.m.
Ag. Police Magistrate, Dist. "B".



Lacey Spencer of Scotts 'Gap, Brittons Hill in the

parish of Saint Michael in this island, has petitioned
His Lordship the acting Chief Judge of the Court
of Ordinary of this island for a Grant of Letters of
Administration to the real and personal estate of her
of Taitts Hill in the parish of Saint George who died
in this island on the 22nd day of December 1956 in-

AND NOTICE is further given that an ex part
application for such GRANT of Letters of Adminis-
Siadon will be made to the Court on Friday the
15h day of January 1957 at 11 o'clock in the fore-
I oon.
Dated this 7th day of January 1957.
Petitioner's Proctor.


TAKE NOTICE that Edward Victor Goddard,
Thomas Ellsworth Herbert, Umberto Joseph Parra-
vicino and Yvonne Armstrong, did on the 31st. day
of December 1956, dispose of their respective interest
in the business carried on under the firm or style of
Paul Wilkins & Company AND FURTHER TAKE
NOTICE that the said business is now being carried
on in co-partnership under the same firm or style oy
Frederick Archibald Conrad Clairmonte, W. S.
Mlonroe & Co. Limited and C. L. Pitt & Co. Limited.
Dated 4th day of January 1957.
Per C. L. PITT


Government Exhibitions tenable at Government
Aided Secondary Schools-Boys and Girls
Forms of application for First IGrade Exhibitions,
Primary to First Grade Exhibitions and Second
Grade Exhibitions are available at the Department
of Education, Public Buildings, Bridgetown.
Senior First Grade Exhibitions
Candidates must be under 16 years of age on
June 30th, 1957.
Junior First Grade Exhibitions
Candidates must be under 13 years of age ,n
June 30th, 1957.
Primary to First Grade Exhibitions
Candidates must be under 13 years of age on
June 30th, 1957, and must be a pupil in attendance at
a Public Elementary School.
Second Grade Exhibitions
Candidates must be under 12 years of age on
June ;30th, 1957.
Renewal Second Grade Exhibitions

Candidates must be holders of Second Grade Ex-
hibitions which are about to expire.
Application forms, accompanied by Birth/Bap-
,tismal Certificates must be forwarded to the Depart-
ment of Education not later than Saturday, 16th
February, 1957.
9th January, 1957.

.1 A~u p-l 7, 195,7





Barbados Government Exhibitions

Applicants for admission as candidates for
Barbados iGovernment Exhibitions tenable at the
University College of the West Indies are required
to submit their applications to the Director of Edu-
cation not later than Thursday, 31st January, 1957.
Application forms may be obtained from the
Department of Education, Public Buildings, Bridge-
Candidates must be -
(a) under twenty (20) years of age on 31st
January, 1957;
(b) natives of Barbados; or
(c) children of a native of Barbados; or
(d) children of persons who are domiciled
and have been resident in Barbados
for a period of not less than ten (10)
Candidates must produce with their applications
Birth Certificates as well as certified statements
declaring that they have been receiving their edu-
cation in Barbados for a total period of not less
than three years within the period of five years
immediately preceding the year of award, and that
their moral character and general conduct are
N.B. Applicants for admission as candidates fo.
Barbados Government Exhibitions must als(
forward direct to the Registrar of the Urn
versity College of the West Indies, Jamaica,
their applications for Entrance to the UMi
versity College. The closing date for applica
tions for Entrance is 31st January, 1957
Department of Education,
10th January, 1957.



The examination for Barbados Scholarships wil
be the examination for the General Certificate o0
Education (Advanced and Scholarship Levels) o
the Oxford and Cambridge Schools Examination
Board, and will be held in Bridgetown in July next
in accordance with the Time Table of the Examina-
tion Board.
Candidates will be expected to offer at least
Pone subject at Scholarship Level and one at
Advanced Level.
Candidates must be -
(a) under twenty (20) years of age cn
31st May, 1957;

(b) natives of Barbados; or
(c) children of a native of Barbados; or
(d) children of persons who' are domiciled
and have been resident in Barbados
for a period of not less than ten (101)

Candidates must produce with their applica-
tions Birth Certificates, as well as certified state-
ments declaring that they have been receiving their
education in Barbados for a total period of not
less than three (3) years within the period of five
(5) years immediately preceding the year of award,
and that their moral character and general conduct
are satisfactory.
Applications aompleted on forms which are
obtainable from the Department of Education must
be sdnt to the Director of Education not later thon
31st January, 1957.
10th January, 1957.


Secondary School Staff, Grenada

Applications are invited from candidates for
two (2) posts as Graduate Masters, Grenada Boys'
Secondary School, GRENADA, which is operated
by the Government of GRENADA.
2. The salary of the posts which are pensionable
is at the rate of $2,304 rising by annual increments
of $120 to $2,880 (Bar) x $120 $3,600 per annum,
together with pensionable pay addition of 20% of
3. Quarters are not provided, but the Head-
master will assist the selected candidates in finding
suitable accommodation at a rental of about $65.00
per month.
4. Applicants should state ability to teach
some of the following subjects:-
Geography, Mathematics, Spanish, Physics,
Chemistry, Latin and French.
5. Applicants should also give the following
(a) Age.
(b) Schools or University at which edu-
cated and certificates or diplomas ob-
(c) Present and past employment.
(d) Amount of monthly salary or wages
earned in the post in which applicant
was last employed.
(e) Past experience in work of the same
type or in a kind similar to that re-
quired in the posts advertised.
They will also be required to furnish copies
of testimonials (which will not be returned to the
;applicant) certified as true copies by a Justice of the
Peace, a Minister of Religion or by a Head of a
Government Department.
6. Applications must be in the candidate's own
handwriting and they will not be considered if they
do not contain the particulars requested above.
7. The successful applicants must be prepared

to assume duty in Grenada as soon as possible after
the beginning of February, 1957.
8. Applications should be addressed to the
Secretary, Public Service Commission, Governmenti
Office, Grenada, to reach him nomt later than 21st
January, 1957.



: : JATuAR 7. 95


NOTICE No. 357 -- (fifth publication).



In pursuance of the Chancery Act 1906, I do
.hereby give notice to all persons having or claiming
any estate, right or interest or any lien or incum-
brance in or affecting the property of the defendant
to bring before me an account of their claims with
their witnesses documents and Vouchers to be exam-
ined by me on any Tuesday or Friday between the.
hL-urs of 12 noon and 3 o'clock in the afternoon at the
Registration Office, Town Hall, Bridgetown, before
the 29th day of January 1957 in order that such
claims may be reported on and ranked according to
the nature and priority thereof respectively, other-
wise such persons will be precluded from the benefits
of any decree and be deprived of all claims on or
'against the said property.



Property: ALL THAT certain piece or parcel
of land (formerly part of the lands of Maxwells
Plantation) situate in the parish of Christ Church
:n this Island, containing lby admeasurement Four
acres one rood thirty-one perches (inclusive of four-
teen perches and four-fifths of a perch in a road
which runs through the said land) abutting on lands
of C. A. Ryan Estate of E. L. Ward deceased, E.
-Tutson, C. Trotman, W. Brewster, J. Bynoe, Wotton
Plantation and on a Public Road or however else the
:same may butt and bound.

Bill Filed: 29th October, 1956.

Dated: 16th November, 1956.

Registrar-in-Chancery (ag.).

NOTICE No. 4 -(second publication)


Clapham, in the parish of St. Michlael, in this
island, has petitioned His Honour the acting Chief
Judge of the Court of Ordinary of this Island for
a grant of letters of Administration of the real
and personal estate and effects in this island of
Ismay Arlene Hamblin, late of Clapham in the
said parish of Saint Michael and island aforesaid,
who died in the said island on the 5th day of Novem-
ber, 1956 intestate.

ex parte application for such letters will be made
at the sitting of the Court of Ordinary on Friday,
the 18th day of January 1957 at 11 o'clock in the

Dated the 3rd day of January, 1957.

Petitioner's Proctors.

NOTICE No. 5 --(second publication)


Notice is hereby given in accordance with sec-
tion 24, Income Tax Act, 1921, that income ta% re-
turns are required from
(a) all resident companies whether incor-
poraited or unincorporated, societies,
trusts or persons engaged in any trade,
business or profession;
(b) all non-resident companies whether in-
corporated or unincorporated, socie-
ties, trusts, or persons engaged in any
trade, business or profession or having
income arising in this island;
(c) all owners of land or property whether
a taxable income has accrued during
the past year or not;
(d) all married men who are living with
or wholly maintaining their wives whose
income including the wife's income is
$1,300 or over for the past year;
(e) all other persons whose income is
$720 or over for the past year.
Forms of return may be obtained from the
Inland Revenue Department, Bridge Street,
and the forms duly filled in must be delivered to me
on or before the following respective dates:-
1. Returns of persons whose books were
closed on the 31st day of December, 1956,
on or before the 31st day of March, 1957.
2. Returns of persons whose principal place
of business is not situate in the island oi
or before the 30th day of June, 1957.
3. Returns of all other persons, on or before
the 31st day of January, 1957.
Acting Commissioner of Inland Revenue.

FORMS to be used-
Use WHITE form if you are in receipt of emol-
uments which will be subject to Pay As
You Earn deductions.
Use PINK form (a) if you are engaged in
trade or business as a
Proprietor or Partner.
(b) if return is submitted on
behalf of a limited liabil-
Use GREEN form in all other cases.
Note :-
(1) Any person failing to make his return
within the due date will be liable to a fine
not exceeding $480.00 and not less than
(2) Except in cases where the owner of the
income is incapacitated and/or the per-
mission of the Commissioner has been
obtained to signature by another person,
the form must be signed by the person
whose income is returned.

(3) Either the husband or the wife may re-
quest the Commissioner by notice in
writing on or before the date prescribed
for the delivery of the return to divide the
tax and issue separate assessment notices.
(4) Any person who is not domiciled in this
island and who, although not having resided
here for six months during 1956, would
still be regarded as resident for taxation
purposes, may claim, on or before the date
prescribed for the delivery of the return,
to be charged as a non-resident.


JANUARY 7, 1957


NOTIOE No. 349 -(third publication)

Re the Estate of

NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that all persons
having any debt or claim against the Estate of
Matilda Theresa Taylor, deceased late of Bank Hall
Cross Road in the parish of Saint Michael in this
island who died on the 18th day of October, 1956,
are requested to send in particulars of their claims
duly attested to the undersigned Winston Orville
Haynes C/o. Messrs. Hayeies & Griffith, Solicitors,
No. 12 High Street, Bridgetown, on or before the
31st. day of January 1957, after which day I shall
proceed to distribute the assets of the deceased
among the parties entitled thereto having regard
only to such claims of which I shall then have had
notice and I will not be liable for the assets or any
part thereof so distributed to any person of whose
debt or claim I shall not then have had notice.
And all persons indebted to the said estate are
requested to settle their said indebtedness without
Dated this 30th day of November, 1956.

Qualified Executor of the Will
Matilda Theresa Taylor deceased.


NOTICE No. 347 --- (fourth publication)


.Estate of

having any debt or claim against the Estate of
Constance Emily O'Neal, formerly of Whitehal],
Saint Peter, Barbados, but late of Kedowa, Kenya,
who died in Kenya on the 26th day of July 1956,
are hereby required to send particulars of their
claims, duly attested, to the undersigned, c/o Messrs.
Cottle Catford & Co., of No. 17 High Street, Bridge-
town, Solicitors, on or before the 31st day of Janu-
ary 1957, after which date we sh4ll proceed to dis-
:tribute the assets of the estate among the parties
entitled thereto having regard to the debts and
claims only of which we shall then have had notice,
and that we shall not be liable for assets so distri-
buted to any person of whose debt or claim we shall
not have had notice at the time of such distribution.
And all persons indebted to the said estate are
"mnuested to settle their accounts without delay.

Dated this 21st day of November, 1956.

Qualified Executors of the Estate of
Constance Emily O'Neal, deceased.

NOTICE No. 366 -(third publication

re Estate of
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that all persons
having any debt or claims against the Estate of
late of Strathclyde in the parish of Saint Michael
in this Island who died on the 21st day of September
1956 are requested to send in particulars of their
claims duly attested to the under-signed HENRY
HUTSON INNIS'S, e/o Messrs. Carrington and
Sealy, S:olicitors, Lucas Street, Bridgetown, on or
before the 28th day of February 1957, after which
date I shall proceed to distribute the estate of the
deceased among the parties entitled thereto having
regard only to such claims of which I shall then
have had notice and I will not be liable for the
assets or any part thereof so distributed to any
person of whose debt or claim I shall not then have
had notice.

AND all persons indebted to the said Estate
are requested to settle their indebtedness without
Dated this 4th day of December, 1956.

Qualified Executor of the will of

NOTICE No. 345 -(fourth publication)

Re estate of

NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that all persons.
having any debt or claim affecting the estate of Joseph
Nathaniel E1lis late of Bush Hall in the parish of
Saint Michael who died in this island on the 15th
day of May 1956 are hereby required to send in par-
ticulars of their claims duly attested to the under-
ed e/o N. A. Niles of 12 James Street, Bridgetown,
on or before the 25th day of January, 1957, after
which date I shall proceed to distribute the assets of
the said estate among the parties entitled thereto hav-
ing regard to the debts amd claims only of which I
shall then have had notice, and that I shall not be
liable for assets so distributed to any person of whose
debt or claim I shall not have had notice at the time
of such distribution.

And all persons indebted to the said estate arae
requested to settle their accounts without delay.
Dated this 21st day of November 1956.

Qualified Administratrix,
Estate of Joseph Nathaniel
Ellis deceased.


JA~uAY 7,1957-



R-es. No. 1/1957 M.P. 3001/25/14/T. 2
Resolved that the sum of THREE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE
from the Public Treasury and placed at the disposal of the Governor-in-
Executive Committee to supplement the Estimates, 1956-57, Part
II--Capital as shown in the Supplementary Estimate, 1956-57 No. 45,
which forms the Schedule to this Resolution, and that the Legislative
Council be invited to concur herein, and if concurred in,
Resolved that His Excellency the Governor be asked to assent and
take the necessary steps to give effect to this Resolution.

8th January, 1957.

Concurred in by the Legislative Council the fifteenth day of January, 1957.

I assent,
16th January, 1957


Supplementary Estimate, 1956-57 No. 45

Provision in Approv- Provision in Supple- Supplementary Pro-
ed Estimates 1956-57 mentary Estimates vision Required
HEAD AND ITEM Nos. 1- 44
Fixed! Fixed Fixed To be
by Law Voted by Law Voted by Law Voted

$ $ $ $ $ $



10. (New). Acquisition of
Omnibuses 399,254


JNUAY -,,1957




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Police Headquarters,
Dated 10th January, 1957.

Commissioner of Police,













Tuesday, January 24, 1956.
The Honourable the Legislative Council met in
the Council Chamber, Public Buildings, at 2 o'clock
p.m. today.
The Hon'ble Sir ARCHIBALD CUKE, C.B.E.,
,, ,, Dr. H. G. MASSIAH, M.D., C.M.,
,, ,, G. D. L. PILE, O.B.E.,
,, ,, Dr. C. H. ST. JOHN, M.B., B.S.,
,, ,, F. C. HuTsoN, M.I., Mech. E.,
,, ,, V. C. GALE,
(Chief Secretary),
K. R. HUNTE, O.B.E., A.S.I.S.,
Mrs. N. G. DAYS,
Dr. A. S. CATO, M.B., Ch.B.
Prayers were read.
The Hon'ble R. N. Turner moved that the Min-
utes of the Meeting of the 10th January, as print-ed
and circulated, be taken as read and be confirmed.
The Hon'ble F. E. Field seconded the motion.
The question was put to the Council and agreed
The Acting Clerk informed the Council that he
had received notification that His Excellency the
Governor had been pleased to grant the Hon'ble Dr.
A. S. Cato leave from the 28th January to the 31st
MVarch, 1956

The Hon'ble R. N. Turner laid the following
documents by command of His Excellency the Gov-
1. The Civil Establishment (General) Amend-
ment) Order, 1956.
2. The Civil Establishment (General) (Amend-
ment) No. 2 Order, 1956.
3. The Civil Establishment (General) (Amend-
ment) No. 3 Order, 1956.
4. Statement showing Gross Customs and Excise
Receipts for nine months ended 31st December, 1955.
The Hon'ble J. A. Mahon presented a petition
from the members of the Vestry of St. Thomas pray-
ing the Council's concurrence in a Bill to amend the
Vestries Act, 1911, authorising an increase in the
amount which the Vestry is allowed to borrow under
the provisions of section 71 of the Act.
The Hon'ble member informed the Council that
the petition was respectfully worded and asked that
it be taken as read.
The petition was taken as read.
The Hon'ble Dr. H. G. Massiah presented the
following report:
The Committee appointed to draft a reply to His
Excellency the Governor 's Message No. 39/1955 have
Lhe honour to recommend that the following reply be
sent to the Message:-
The Legislative Council
His. Excellcncy The Governor
The Legislative Council have the honour to refer
to Your Excellency's Message No. 39/1955 and to
inform Your Excellency in reply, that they concur.


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in the appointment of the delegation to represent the
Government of Barbados at the final Conference on
Federation which is due to begin in London on the
7th of February, 1956.
His Honour the President called the first Order
-Consideration of a reply to His Excellency the
Governor's Message No. 39/1955 seeking the concur-
rence of the Council in the appointment of the dele-
gationt to represent the Government of Barbados at
the final Conference on Federation.
HON'BLE Dr. HI. G. iMASSIAH: Sir,--I would
like to move that the report which has just been
presented be accepted by this Council. I feel certain,
however, that some criticisms are in order about the
manner in which this whole business has been col-
ducted. It would appear to me that Federation is
not a party matter. It is something which concerns
the island as a whole; and I think it would have been
wise for members of the Opposition in the Other
Place to have been asked to represent the Island at
the London Conference along with the members of
the Government Party.
It is too important a matter to be considered as
a party issue, and I think that not to have adopted
what I have suggested is wrong procedure. Unfor-
tunately, this Council has not got the power to vary
the appointment of the delegation, and that is some-
thing which I regret.; but we can at least say what
we think, and i the interest ofhe interest of the Island I am quite
convinced that the procedure that has been adopted
was wrong.
I move, sir, that the Council adopt the report
of the Select Committee.
Hon'ble F. C. H-utson seconded the motion.
take it that now that it has been decided that Bar-
bados should enter into a Federation of the British
West Indies all that we can do is to offer advice: in
the hope that it will be of some value at this final
conference which will take place before the Federal
Instrument is drafted.
Now, the delegates to this conference are for
the most part politicians, and I think it is right
that that. should be so. The political side is
augmented not only by the appointment of a legal
adviser to the delegation. but also by the appoint-
ment of an adviser without portfolio; but what
about the economic side?
We all know, Sir, that you, with your usual
efficiency will do all that lies in your power for
the benefit of this Island; but I would remind you
that you cannot possibly think of everything. I say
that now because of what I am going to say later
on, and furthermore you will also have to pay atten-
tion to the political side of things.
Now Barbados is passing through what is
probably the greatest crisis in her history. She has
more to give up to the Federal Government than
any other British West Indian territory. She will
have to give up her self-government, and further-
more she will be handing over to others the power
to Barbadians.
Now, Sir, in the Fiscal Report of Sir Sidney
Caine there is put forward an alternative method
of raising federal revenue He suggests Federal

Customs Duties on certain specific items such as
gasolene, spirits, cigarettes and beer. He albo sug--
gests that the profits of the Currency Board should
go to the Federal Government, and he suggests, a
bit half-heartedly, that the Federal Government
should have the power to levy an Income Tax in
addition to the tax levied by the Units.
I trust that the delegates will stick to the
original plan of 15 per cent of the Customs Revenue
of each territory, instead of Sir Sidney Caine's
suggestions. If that is not enough to meet the
estimated federal expenditure for the first five years

plus 50 per cent of the total, then we should cut
our coat to suit the cloth we have. The additional
50 per cent which it is suggested should be given
to federal reserve should be cut down, and that
has Sir Sidney's blessings, but it will be noticed
that he suggests that it would be liable to take too
much revenue from the units, and reduce the in-
centive to economy on the part of the Federal
Now, there are two sections of this Report
which particularly interest me. In Section 117 Sir
Sidney expresses the view that five years is a very
short period in which to expect any clearly visible
results. He says this: ". It is implicit too,
that having examined the achievements of Federa-
tion after five years (itself a very short period in
which to expect any clearly visible results), the
Unit Governments would decide on how much more
or less scope to give to the Federal Government,
or perhaps even whether to terminate the experi-
ment altogether."
I think that if the delegates stick to the original
plan Barbadians will understand, and will take
comfort from the knowledge that our entrance into
the Federation is being regarded as a calculated
risk, rather than as a leap in the dark.
Sir Sidney gives some new estimates as regards
the capital expenditure of the Federation and he
makes suggestions for meeting that expenditure.
He suggests a grant from the United Kingdom.
That was understood from the start, and what I
would like you to do, Sir, is to make a strong plea
that the British Government supplies at least three
quarters of the whole cost; because they are the
people who are pressing Federation upon us. You
will remember, Sir, that our Chief Secretary was
the only Englishman sincere enough to say in public
that "the position as I see it is that the British
Government has brought no undue pressure to bear
on Federation." Allowing for the habit of under-
statement of all Englishmen, that statement speaks
for itself.
Sir Sidney also suggests that a loan should be
floated. I may be wrong, but my view is that if
that loan is floated in the West Indies it will not
be a success unless the Unit Governments take
Go-vernment Savings Banks reserves and invIest
them in the loan-a procedure which the depositors
of these reserves would never adopt of their own
The Fiscal Commissioner suggests Federal
Taxation. That brings me, Sir, to the hope that
when the Conference is discussing the sources of
federal revenue you will keep in mind Barbadian
interests, and the number of projects to which we
are already committed. There is the cost of the
deep water harbour, and of the roads that will lead
to the harbour. There is the compensation to be
paid to the people over whose land the roads are
to go. We 'all know that the Government has to
re-imburse the bus owners-we hear to the tune of
at least $300,000-and if what I hear is true-and
I know it to be true because I heard it from those

who are in a position to know-owing to the con-
dition of the buses pretty soon the Government will
have to buy an entirely new fleet of buses. Then
they cannot continue to leave the buses in the open.
They will have to rent garages or build them. In
addition they will have to supply a machine shop
to service these buses.
Again there is the plan for a new 600-bed
hospital at 500 a bed which works out at $1,440,000,
and wfe may also have cottage hospitals. That
brings you back to Barbadian taxation which, as
you know, is heavy at present. The first time that
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as well as local services he will not feel too good
about it unless you have taken care to see that
everything is in favour of the Units to start with.
I am not interested in the political side so
much; but I would like to ask l why has the Govern-
ment only appointed politicians and an official as
advisers to the delegation. Surely they should
have had a Barbadian business man to advise on
the many economic details that will arise. As I
have already said, Sir, you cannot think of every-
thing, and it will be necessary to see that the federal
financial shoe does not pinch the Barbadian wearer.
Business men, as you know, are accustomed to
dealing with similar situations in their businesses.
In the hard school of experience, they have de-
veloped the "know how" in dealing with estimates
that ,are altered as a result of taxation, customs
duties, losses etc. That "know how" would, .I
think, be of great value at such a conference.
Sir, there are many thinking people in this
Island who feel that the Financial Secretary, a
non-Barbadian Official, should not be the sole ad-
viser on economics to the delegation. There is no
reason why even at this late hour a Barbadian
business man should not be appointed. The occasion
is too important to quibble at expense. That, Sir,
is why I am sorry that this debate did not take place
last week; but the occasion is so important that I
do not think that lateness matters.
There is one other point that I waInt to make,
and that is that if during the conference there should
be discussion on the interests of Barbadians versus
the interests of any other West Indian island, show
the delegates a 50 cents coin. Ask them if they know
who designed it, and tell them it was an En'glislhman
and tell them you are sure that he wa: a man with a
sense of values. If they look at the back of the
coin they will see that half of the space in tjhe upper
half carries the Arms of Barbados, and in the lower
half those of the Windward and Leeward Islands
and British .Guiana.
HON'BLE E. S. ROBINSON: Sir,-Like the
Hon'.ble Dr. St. John I rise to offer a few suggestions
to vou and to the Hon'ble Acting Attorney General
with regard to the very great responsibility that has
been placed upon his shoulders.
As you know, Sir, from the time that I have had
the honour of being a member of this Hon'ble Council
each time that the subject of Federation has been
debated I have expressed my views forcibly. On the
last occasion when what is now commonly called the
"London Plan" was debated in this Council a
decision was taken only by a majority of one--
that the Legislative Counecil of Barbados agreed to
the London'Plan. Had it not been for the fact that
two official members of this Council at that time
exercised their right to vote it would have gone on
record that the Council did not agree to the London
Plan. That is> what would have happened had the
two official members followed the advice of Her
Majesty's Government to let the people of the West
Indies decide this matter for themselves.
However, Sir, it was decided by a majority
vote of one, and therefore, following parliamentary
procedure I will not attempt to re-open debate on

the pros and cons of Federation. It has been decided,
Pnd I abide by that decision. At the time I said
that if ever Federation became a reality I would
do my utmost although I hold different views-
to co-operate with those whose views are different
from mine on this matter. I stick to that.
Now, Sir, we are discussing a Message in reply
to the Governor's Message in which he informed
us that six people have been chosen to represent this
Island at this very momentous conference which
will take place in London. It is well understood

that we in this Chamber cannot in any way, as
Hon'ble Dr. Massiah has said, change the personnel
of the delegation. We either have to concur with
the selection or reject it; but I must say that I
heartily agree with lIon'ble Dr. St. John when he
says that a, business man from Barbados should be
included on the delegation. I also think that the
delegation is too large.
I would like to draw to the attention of the
Government the fact that the largest of the units
of this proposed Federation Jamaica-has only
seen fit to select three delegates to represent her
at this conference, and among the three is a mem-
ber of the Opiposition in the House of Representa.
tives. (HON'BLE MEMBERS: Our delegation has
three delegates and three advisers) I am glad that
hon'ble members have corrected me, and said that
there are three delegates, because I would like to
point out that as far as I understand the procedure,
the Premier of Barbados will be the only delegate
who will have the right to vote for Barbados at
the conference. I have seen it stated that there will
be one vote and one vote only. That is, the Premier
alone will vote for Barbados, the Chief Minister
of Jamaica for Jamaiea., Mr. Gomes for Trinidad
etc. If that is the case, I think we might better
have sent one delegate and five advisers.
Now I come to the cost of this delegation for
which we will soon, be asked to vote a sum of money.
Jlt does seem strange to me, Sir, that we in. the
West Indies have been asked to select delegates from
all these scattered units and fly them to London so
as to hold this conference in London. I imagine that
the total number of delegates and advisers attend-
ing this conference will amount to not less than
30 or 40. Then if one estimates on the basis of what
we have to pay here for passages for our delegates,
plus hotel bill and subsistence allowance, and
assume that the conference will last 10 days, and
probably 20 days or longer, then I am sure that
the cost to the West Indies as a whole will be not
less than 50,000.
Now I think it would have been much better if
this conference was held in the West Indies. In the
first place the inhabitants of these islands would be
in a better position to have first hand information
as regards what is taking place. The man in the
street who hardly knows what is meant by Federa-
tion would probably appreciate the fact that this
conference was being held somewhere in the pro-
posed units.
Secondly, what could have prevented the Secre-
tary of State for the Colonies and his officials from
flying out to the West Indies and holding this con-
ference? I repeat, Sir, that the conference should
be held in one of the units both from the point of
view of economy, and from the point of view of the
people of the units getting first hand information
about what was taking place.
Sir, you as our President, have a reputation,
that is fast becoming world-wide, as an Economist,
and undoubtedly you will advise the delegation on

anatters dealing with finance. Similarly, the Finan-
cial Secretary will deal with those matters, and very
grave matters they will be judging from the,report
of the Fiscal Commissioner. I amn prepared to agree
that the selection of the two of you, is a wise and
proper move on the part of the Government; but I
also see included my learned friend the IHon'ble
Acting Attorney General. I can only assume that he
is going to advise on the report of the Judicial
Commissioner; or perhaps he is being taken to help
draft the constitutional instrument that is to be
agreed to by Order-in-Council. If my last surmise
is right, I hope to welcome the hon'ble member back
to Barbados some time during the summer.

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As regards the Hon'ble Dr. Cato, one of our
colleagues, it is well known that he has ocen sele-i e
as 'Medical Adviser to the Hon'ble Premier. I trust
he will see that the Premier does not injure his
knee while in London, and that he returns to us
in good health.
Where the Minister of Agriculture is concerned,
he probably is going over to advise on the recom-
mendation of the Civil Service Commissioner that a
Federal Department of Agriculture be established
when Federation becomes a reality, the department
costing $5'0,000 a year in its embryonic stage. I
hope that the Minister will give wise advice on that
Sir, I repeat that in my view one delegate and
two advisers would have been enough to represent
the view's of the Government of Barbados at this
very momentous conference.
I turn now to the question of procedure. I
received a typewritten note by special messenger
yesterday afternoon stating that you, Sir, as Presi-
dent, had ruled that in discussing the Reply to His
Excellency's Message members should avail them-
selves of the opportunity of dealing with the reports
of the three Pre-federal Commissioners. I abide by
that ruling, but I would respectfully suggest that n
respect of a subject of such magnitude as the one
we are discussing. I do consider that a specific order
should have been placed on the Agenda of this
Council for a debate of the reports of the three
Commissioners. I know that in the Other Place the
Premier gave members an opportunity of discussing
these reports on a motion for the adjournment of
the House. I abide by the ruling, but I do suggest
that the reports should be discussed separate from
the Reply to the Governor's MVessage about the
,composition of the delegation.
I would now like to touch on another aspect of
procedure, and perhaps when I am finished the
Hon'ble Acting Attorney General will give us his
opinion. I would like to question whether our dele-
gates are going to the conference with plenipoten-
tiary powers. I saw it stated that the Secretary of
State for the Colonies had said that the London
Conference must be a conference at which some
finality could be arrived at. If that is so the dele-
gates should be vested with plenipotentiary powers.
I want to know what is the correct procedure for
vesting the delegates with such powers.
In this connection I would like to draw the
attention of the Council to the Resolution that was
formally moved by Mr. Manley in the House of
Representatives in Jamaica and which was passed
unanimously. The Resolution begins on Page 1 of
the extract from the Daily Gleamier of December 1,
1955, and if members will turn to Page 2 they will
see that definite authority was given by the House
'of Representatives to the Jamaica Delegation, I
will bring to the notice of hon'ble members these
words in the Resolution: ".... and with authority
to make all major decisions to that end and to reach
final conclusions with Her Majesty's Government iii

regard to the means, machinery and legislation
required to enable the Caribbean Federation to be
established. "
Now it is clear to me that the House of Repre-
sentatives by that resolution vested the Jamaica
Delegation with plenipotentiary powers. Nothing
like that, so far as I know, has taken place in this
Island. I take it that the Governor-in-Executive
Committee is not the correct body to vest our
delegation with plenipotentiary powers. I suggest
that that should be within the province of both
Houses of the Legislature one House the elected
representatives of the people, and the other House

having the duty to concur in, or to reject the pro-
,posals of the other House. I am very doubtful, Mr.
President, whether in truth and in fact our dele-
gation has ]lenipotentiary powers.
I would be glad if the Hon'ble Acting Attorney
General with his vast experience in procedure would
explain to hon'ble members whether I am right or
wrong. As far as I know, the representative of Her
Majesty's Government at the United Nations is not
vested with plenipotentiary powers. He is there
to represent Her Majesty's Government, but he has
to take instructions from his Government on any
decisions that he has to make at the U.N. For these
reasons I question the procedure that has been
adopted in Barbados. I think that the procedure
adopted in Jamaica was correct. I would hate our
delegates to arrive in London and find themselves
placed in an embarrassing position.
There is another matter of procedure that I
would like to bring to the attention of the Council.
I noticed in the public Press a few days ago that
one of our colleagues, the Hon'ble Dr. Cato, who is
one of the advisers to our delegation, had left the
Island for Montreal. He was termed as having left
as an adviser to the delegation. I submit, Sir, that at
ihe time of his departure this HIonile Board had not
concurred in the Governor's Mlessage, nor had this
Board concurred in the Resolution to pay the pas-
sage expenses of any of the delegates. I am wonder.
ing, Sir, from what money the passage expenses of
the Hon'ble Dr. Cato were paid. I trust not out of
Government funds; because although I will not
oppose the selection of my hon'ble friend, I think
that he has jumped the gun. I bring it to your
attention, Sir, as President, so that w'e may get some
explanation with regard to how an adviser to the
delegation can leave the Island styled as an adviser
to the delegation without his appointment having
been given the approval and sanction of both
Houses of the Legislature, and without the Resolu.-
tion to pay the passage expenses having been con-
curred in by the Legislature. Perhaps again my
learned friend the Acting Attorney General will be
able to clarify the position.
I would now like, briefly, to deal with the reports
of the Pre-federal Commissioners. First I would deal
with the Report of the Judicial Commissioner. He
has made a first class report and I might mention that
the Hon'ble Acting Attorney General was one of the
members of that Commission. In section 42 of his
report the Judicial Commissioner says that a strong
recommendation was put up that the Federal Court
should also function as a Court of Criminal Appeal
irom the Assize Courts of the Units and of British
Guiana as well, if it decides to become affiliated with
the Court.
Then in section 43 he says that if this recommen-
dation is accepted, the proper solution would be the
appointment of three more judges as permanent mem-
bers of the Court. That means that instead of having
a Supreme Judge and three additional judges there
will have to be three extra judges. We will therefore

have a Supreme Judge and six extra judges, making
a total of seven. I would like to ask the Hon'ble
Acting Attorney General if he, as a Barbadian, and
knowing the limited resources of the proposed Units
and the already high taxation, really made that
suggestion and agrees with the recommendation of
the Judicial Commissioner.
Perhaps I should remind hon'ble members that
the Supreme Court of the Dominion of Canada con-
sists of a Supreme Chief Justice, and eight judges,
namely nine in all. The Supreme Court of the
Commonwealth of Australia only consists of a Su-





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preme Judge and six other judges, making the total
of seven. But we in the British West Indies are be-
ing asked to have a Supreme Court of a Chief Justice
and six judges. Therefore, in truth and in fact we
will have a Supreme Court equal in size to that of
the Commonwealth of Australia and only slightly
.smaller than that of the Dominion of Canada.
Now I turn to the question of the salaries 'of
these learned gentlemen, and I see it noted that the
Judicial Commissioner recommends that the Supreme
,Chief Justice should draw a salary 500 to 1,000
greater than that of the best paid Chief Justice of
any of the Courts of the Units. He also recommends
that the salary of the judges be not less, but prefer-
.ably greater than the salary of the best paid Chief
Justice of the Supreme Court of any of the Units.
That is the judicial superstructure that will be im.
posed on the judicial structures that already exist
i. the various Units. The only recommendation for
.economy that I see is in the recommendation of the
Commissioner that the West Indian Court of Appeal
should be absorbed in the Federal Supreme Court.
I wonder if the Hon'ble Acting Attorney General is
seriously going to advise the Premier to accept those
costly recommendations. I would like to hear his
views later on.
Now when this Council discussed the London
Plan in January last year it agreed to that plan,
.and the other Legislatures of the area! have
agreed to it. I would like to take this opportunity
to warn the delegates who will represent us in Londorn
and to warn their advisers that if any major changes
of this plan are brought up for discussion, any Jde
visions which fundamentally change that plan, they
have no right to agree to those fundamental changes
without referring them back to their respective gov-
ernments to get the approval of the respective
Undoubtedly suggestions will be made from time
to time which will slightly alter the details of the
London Plan, and which I take it our delegates would
be at liberty to accept if they so desire; but I warn
tliem not to attempt to change the basis of that plan
fundamentally or they will find themselves out o0
I have raised this point because I see that the Chief
IMinister of Jamaica has presented in the House of
Representatives of that island seven points which are.
now known as the Seven-Point Programme. I submit
that those points have fundamental changes in them,
-very fundamental changes. For instance, it is laid
down in the London Plan that the Council of State
of the proposed Federation should consist of the
Premier, three officials to be appointed by the Gov-
ernor General, seven members from the Lower Cham-
ber to be appointed by the Prime Minister and three
members of the Federal Senate to be appointed by
the Governor General-in-Council. Therefore, the set-
up of the so called Cabinet will be the Premier,
three officials who I take it, will be the Chief Secre-
tary, the Financial Secretary and the Attorney Gen-
eral, and the Governor General will have the right
to appoint them. Then there will be seven members
of the elected Chamber along with the Premier him-

self who will have the right to nominate these seven.
The Governor General-in-Council will then nomi-
inate three members of the Senate making a total of
That was in the London Plan, and along comes
M[r. Manley and, suggests that the official members
should be removed from the Federal Executive. That,
in my opinion, is a fundamental change. He then
-suggests that the Federal Prime Minister should be
.iiven sole discretion in the appointment of Federal
Senators to the Executive without minimum limita-

tions to number, and thirdly, that the reserve pow-
ers of the Governor General be reduced.
I would like to ask you as President, Sir, and
as one of our delegates whether you are going to
agree with any of those suggestions that Mr. Manley
nas put forward. I submit that they are fundamental
changes, and that you have no authority to make
such fundamental changes in the Plan that has been
agreed to by the Legislatures of the territories.
Now I will touch briefly on the report of the
Civil Service Commissioner, Sir Hilary Blood. Th s
Commissioner, was one of our past governors, and
I must say that his report is very concise and to the
point. I do appreciate one of his opening remarks
in which he says that much of the report is based on
a series of suppositions. That appeals to me because
in my view the whole question of Federation is based
on a series of suppositions. I think that Sir Hilary
expressed the views of a considerable number of peo-
ple in the West Indies.
Like the Judicial Commissioner he has based
his salary scales for the Federal Administrative
Service on the highest salaries paid to similar offi-
cers in Unit Governments, and that leave passages
b- granted on the most favourable existing basis-
njamely Trinidad. Our Chief Secretary happened to
be a member of that Conunission, and no doubt he
must have agreed with these suggestions. If he does
ih.ot I hope that he will tell us what he disagrees
It does strike me as significant that no recom-
mendation for economy whatever is made by either
of these two Commissioners with the exception of
the suggestion that the West Indian Court of
Appeal be absorbed in the Federal Supreme Court.
That is the only suggestion for a reduction of any
of the existing judicial or administrative services
in the Units at present. In other words, we con-
tinue to have our present Ministerial Governments
in the various territories, we continue to have a,
Governor over each unit and the complete set-up
continues as it is today; and on top of all that
we will impose a very large structure. Surely with
a population of a little over three and a half mil-
lion some recommendation with regard to the Pub-
lic Services with respect to a reduction in such
services could have been made. I would like to
ask you, Sir, the Hon'ble Chief Secretary and the
Hon'ble Acting Attorney General why no reduction
was recommended.
There must be some reason, Sir. Is it bec;,1se
in the opinion of these Commissioners the West
Indian Units can afford this suggested superstrue-
ture, or is it not?
Now there is another fundamental change sug-
gested by Mr. Manley, and that is that a MIinister
in a Unit could also be a Minister in the Federal
Government. I wonder if the Hon'ble Acting At-
torney General will agree with that when the Min-
isters in Barbados do not now even have enouglr
time to do their own work.
I turn now to the next report which in truth
and in fact is the most important-the Fiscal
Report by Sir Sidney Caine. I do admire Sir Sid-
ney Caine because he is very frank in his views.
I am a very frank man myself. If hon'ble mer-
bers will turn to section 43 they will see that h,

says "The estimates here presented are the best
cuess that I can make." I think that that is fibn.
I really aDoreciate that. His guess is that the cap;-
tal expenditure of the Federation will be 2.100.000
and not 520,000 as was formerly estimate 1.
That is a first class guess.
I see that on the question of capital exen l'-
ture he recommends that the house in which t1-
distinguished Governor-General is going to live
should cost 150,000. If I were a member of t1h
Other Place I would go into the Green and make
such a row that I would top the polls' at the coming


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elections., would tell the people to imagine, they
are starving and. want something to eat and we
are going to build a house for the Governor-Gen-
eral costing 150,0U0-$720,000. I would tell them
imagine that was happening when all of them
would like a five dollar note.
I wonder whether you and the Acting Attor-
ney General will advise the Premier to agree to
an expenditure of J150,000 on the Governor Gen-
eral's house. I also note that the house for the
Premier is to cost 25,000-quite a nice little
bungalow. I hope that it will be air conditioned,
if he is coming to live in their tropics it should be.
But can we really afford it ?. I doubt it very much.
Now we have seen that the Fiscal Commis-
sioner tells us that he estimates that the capital
expenditure will be four times what it was esti-
mated at by Colonial Development and Welfare
Organisation in 1952-53. Similarly, the recurrent
expenditure has gone up, and the Commissioner
estimates that the total recurrent expenditure will
be somewhere in the vicinity of 2,000,000. So
you have on one side a capital expenditure of
2,100,000 and a recurrent expenditure of roughly
2,000,000 a year.
I am not going to go into the points about
how he) proposes to raise revenue because. Ion'ble
Dr. St. John has gone into that and I must agree
with his last remark when he said he trusted when
Federation became a reality the financial shoe does
not pinch the Barbadian wearer. I suggest that it
will even give him corns. It is clear to me, and
I think it should be clear to any thinking person
if they have read these reports, that the cost of
Federation is going to be a great deal more than
was originally anticipated. The question to my
mind, Sir, is whether Barbados is going to be able
to bear this additional expense and still proceed
with the various schemes of social amelioration
which we have undertaken in recent years. That
is a question which I think will worry the minds
not only of our delegates, but of all the thinking
people of these Units. Can we continue with our
Five Year Plans? Can we continue with the very
desirable social schemes that we have undertaken
and that we plan to undertake in the future, if we
get committed, to this big expenditure? Or is it
the desire of you, Sir, and of the delegates and
advisers that we should have Federation at any
price? I should like to know that. Are you going
with the idea that because the various Unit Gov-
ernments have agreed to Federation as laid down
in the London Plan therefore irrespective of the
cost we must have Federation? Tell us. The
people want to know it.
I want to say, Sir, that the< delegates and
advisers must be very cautious about committing
Barbados to any fundamental changes in the Lon-
don Plan without first obtaining the approval and
sanction of Legislature. In my opinion they do
not have plenipotentiary powers. That is my con-
sidered opinion. I also hope that the delegates will
realise that it would be disastrous for Barbados to
join the Federation at any price. It would, in my
view, have a disastrous effect on the well being of

the people of this Island if such a thing came about.
I have to repeat,. because I feel it my duty
to do so, that the delegates must be very careful
about the decisions they take in London. Although,
as I have said, I hold different views on the sub-
ject, I still wish the Premier and his fellow dele-
gates and advisers the best. and, I trust that the
decisions taken at the conference will result in
lasting benefit to the people of the British West
Indies. (Cheers).
HON'BLE G. D. L. PILE: Sir,-I would like
to congratulate the hon'ble member who has just
sat on the very excellent speech that he made. As
lhe said in his opening remarks this Council agreed

to the London Plan by a majority of just one due
to the officials who were present exercising their
right to vote. Due to that, those who opposed
Federation according to the London Plan were the.
losers and it was my opinion then, and it still is,
that the Island lost because we lost.
However, Sir, I am a supporter of correct par-
liamentary practice, and according to that practice
once a decision is taken on a matter, their matter is
closed. I am not proposing to reopen it now in
any way at ,all; but as the Hon'ble Mr. Robinson
has pointed out, these Reports, particularly the one
of the Fiscal Commissioner, do make one wonder
whether since the Legislature has agreed to the
London Plan the delegates are bound by that Plan
or whether they can agree to any modification of
that Plan which seems; to them to be right.
I take it, Sir, that you will agree that the
delegates going to the conference are not necessar-
ily bound by anything in that Plan in the light of
what has appeared since in these reports; but if
the figures put forward in the Fiscal Commissioner's
Report are correct they do throw a very different
complexion on Federation.
The Hon'ble Mr. Robinson asked several ques-
tions to which I would like to know the answers.
[ believe it was said that this was to be a final
conference, and that the delegates should go with
plenipotentiary powers; that they should be able
to come to decisions binding their governments.
1 would like to know from you if that is correct.
SAre the dele ats entitled to come to decisions bind-
ing the Government of this colony, and secondly,
is it a nintter of all the delegates agreeing or only
the Premier? I think it is very important that
we should know what the powers of these delegates
The Hon'ble Mr. Robinson referred to an extract
from the "Daily Gleaner" which set out the seven
points put forward by Mr. Manley. Mr. Manley
suggests s that official members should be removed froirL
the Federal Executive. I think that that would be
a very bad step indeed. He also suggests that the
Federal Prime Minister should be given sole discre-
tion in the appointment of Federal Senators to tht
Ex rutiive without the minimum limitations to num-
ber. Again I do not think that most of the people
who have agreed to Pederation want to rush their
fences like that. That might well be a development
later on, but not right at the start.
Mr. Manley's third point is that the Reseri (
Powers of the Governor General be reduced. Then
he goes on to object to the arrangement of the 1953
Conference-that a member might remain a member
of both Unit and Federal Parliaments but could not
la Minister in the Unit Government. He calls that a
a Minister in the Unit Goverment. He calls that a
bastard arrangement.
If there is one thing that emerged from that
London Conference that fills one with the most
absolute horror, Sir, it is that a person should
be able to sit as a member of a Unit Legislature
and also occupy a seat in the Federal Legisla-
t're. Why should anyone want that to happen?
Surely the only answer is that one is afraid

that there will not be enough people of the proper
calibre to occupy these seats. Mr. Manley thinks
that those members who are Ministers in the Unit
Governments should be able to be Ministers in the
Federal Government as well. I hope that if there is
the slightest chance at the coming conference of get-
t-ng that reversed it will be done.
I do not know if there is anything more that I
can say that Hon'ble Mr. Robinson did not say.
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the Fiscal Commissioner with regards to financing
the Federation. If what the Commissioner says is
right it is clear that the people who have been grinud-
ing out some of the arrangements for this Federation
Aid not know what they were talking about in many
cases. In Section 61 the Fiscal Commissioner says
"The first matter, the provision of an unallocat-
ed income out of which the cost of 'new' Federal
services can be met, at once raises an arithmecical
difficulty. If the initial estimate is made on the basis
of minimum Federal activities the 'margin for ex-
pansion' being a fixed percentage is automatically
reduced. If a wider view is taken initially, the mar-
gin is increased. The greater the provision made for
initial activities, and the less therefore the need for
subsequent expansion, the higher will be the margin
for such expansion."
That does seem to be the flaw in the scheme. What
the Commissioner suggests is better, provided that
one can limit the rate of taxation that can be put on.
I do hope, Sir, that the important questions that
have been asked will be answered. The two main
questions that I have asked are whether the delegates
will be able to make decisions binding on the Gov-
ernment and whether those decisions will be voted on
by all three delegates or by the Premier alone.
HON'BLE K. R. HUNTE: Sir,-I too would
like to congratuate the Hon'ble Mr. Robinson on his
excellent speech. Where Federation is concerned, the
economic side is a very important one, because with-
,out a sound economic policy the Federation is bound
to fail in the end. Certain remarks that I have beer,
hearing recently have made me begin to feel a little
uneasy. Trinidad has suggested that when the Fed-
eration is established that colony and Jamaica should
become the centres for manufacturing articles out of
the raw materials that are produced in the small
islands. We happen to be one of the small islands,
and if that is going to be the idea behind Federation
I think it might be better if we stood out. We should
only enter if one of the essentials is freedom for Units,
to manufacture goods wherever they like. If we are
going to be told that we cannot manufacture shoes or
hats or shirts etc. because we areTn the wrong area
I think that Federation is bound to be a failure.
I also understand that for revenue purposes it is
possible that the same commodity manufactured iin
one part of the federated area will bear a different
rate of duty from the same commodity manufactured
in another part of the area. That again, I cannot
agree with. I hope, Sir, that when you go to London
you will make absolutely certain that one of the
fundamentals of Federation will be industrial free
dom. The only difference between this proposed
Federation and Federations already established is
that these Units are divided by water, and oths
places form one mass of land. Can anyone imagine
in the U.S.A. Texas being told "you cannot nranu-
facture shoes; they must be manufactured in New
York ?
To me that is one of the most important things

because one of the only benefits that Barbados will
get from Federation will be industrial development
and the resulting employment. I think, Sir, that that
is a point which you should make, and I go so far
as to say that if the other Units do not commit them-
selves to that we should not enter at all. We all
'know that Jamaica has surrounded herself by tariff
walls. How can we have a Federation that is going
to be one way tariffs ?
When; I voted for Federation I had no idea that
We were going to be blocked off by the two big islands.
B.G. is not in the proposed Federation, it is true;

(but they grow rice cheaply there. Are they to be
told that they cannot sell rice to Jamaica except in
a limited quantity so that Jamaica rice can be sold
at 2 a bag higher? If that is the kind of Federation
that we will have, I do not think it will be worthwhile
having at all.
I hope, Sir, that you will not agree to giving
away our birthright in these matters.
HON'BLE Mrs. N. G. DAYSH: Sir,-I myself
am curious to know who has given the Barbados
delegates the power to- sign away our future. I am
sure that there is a satisfactory explanation and I
think that the Council is entitled to hear it.
Now Sir, in the course of your long and \dis-
tinguished career you have many times been called
Lupon to make decisions. which have greatly affected
the revenue of this Island. As the xnan who has made
tiie growing of sugar cane a paying proposition in
Barbados you now have a 'great responsibility upon
your shoulders. Never in the course of your career
have you been faced with a more important task than
the one which, you now have to perform,
for you are faced with the task of deciding the future
not only of one island, but of the three and a quarter
million people, the great majority of whom have no
idea of what is being done on their behalf and in
their name.
This makes your responsibility even greater, for
it is only when you return from the conference, hav-
ing made all these important .decisions, and the im-
pact of those decisions begin to reach the masses of
the people, only then will they begin to realise what
you have done for them.
A special responsibility rests upon you, becau.:e
you are known and trusted in Barbados as a man
whose knowledge of the economy of the whole of the
West Indies is unequalled. The problem of Federa-
tion is now largely one of finance, and it is in you
that we have placed our hopes of a sane solution to
the problem; for we believe that you will not allow
this Island to be saddled with such a heavy financial
,burden that our future development and economic
progress will be hopelessly crippled.
To me there would appear to be only two ways
of financing the capital and recurrent expenditure
which will be very high if we agree to the recom-
mnendations in these reports-either by imposing
very heavy taxation on the people of the Island some
of whom are already very highly taxed, or by de-
.randing colossal sums annually from the British
Government, in which case we will not be independ-
ent, and Federation will become a. farce.
How can we equate what we have with what
we need? That is the problem that we are looking
forward to you to solve in some way acceptable to
our pockets.
We have been told that Federation is being
pressed upon us. I will not go into that now, but
coming to the political side of the question I will
tell a story. I was recently in Trinidad and I asked
many people what they thought of Federation. One
man, a taxi driver, gave a reply that I think is in-
dicative of the feeling of the little man on the sub-

ject. He said, "Federation is politics; that is noth-
ing to do with me." That brings me to the question
what will there be in Federation for the small man
and for the masses of the people of these islands?
How will they benefit, and when? We have been
hearing a lot about the .economic benefits of Fed-
era,tion to the area, but to some of us it seems clear
that all that is being created is a .political paradise-
in which only a favoured few will find fame and
fortune while the rest of us pay for it,.

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Sir Hilary Blood admits the fear that the crea-
tion of Federal Civil Service posts at salriles nigner
than those which now exist in the Units will tend to
inake it even more difficult that it is today to keep
salary scales throughout the area in a reasonable
degree of relationship to each other. The Commis-
.ioner does not offer a solution, but merely says that
thile "problem of correlating salaries will have to be
ta.-kled in some form on some occasion" and that
"the longer the delay, the more difficult the problem
I agree with him, and I hope that in London a
solution will be found to this knotty question or
On the last occasion that we debated Federation
I was not here. As time has gone on I can see plain-
ly that we cannot go back. Whether right or wrong,
whether to a glorious future or to a shameful dis-.
aster we can do nothing but go forward, although it
is true that we look upon you, Sir, and the other
delegates whom we are sending, to help us not to
start Federation with so heavy a burden that we can
never throw it off.
The birth of this artificially inseminated child
can no longer be delayed. It is true that for nearly
100 years some West Indians have hoped and prayed
for this child; but it is also true that it was only when
ttie British Government began to take an active part
in the affair that conception took place.
I, like Hon'ble Mr. Robinson, have pledged my-
self to assist in any way that lies within my modest
powers when Federation comes into being. I have
pledged not to oppose or obstruct, but to help in any
way I can to make it work. Although I nave op-
posed it in the past, it has my sincere good wishes.
L hope, Sir, that when you return from London you
will be able to tell us that you have obtained what is
the purpose of Federation-the greatest good for
the greatest number.
HON'BLE J. A. MA HON: Sir,--I would like
first of all to congratulate IHon'ble Mr. Robinson on
his excellent speech. I must admit that after what
he and other hon'ble members have said, there is no.
thing much left to be said except one is going to re-
peat what has been said already; and I do not want
to tire the Council by doing that.
With the decisions that you and other delegates
will have to take I feel it is only right that I should
devote a few minutes to saying that I support what
has been said by other members. I would also like
to make the point clear that although I was one of
those who voted against the adoption of the London
Report, I would like to say that I hope we will be told
plainly whether these delegates have plenipotentiary
powers to go beyond what has been agreed upon and
commit us to the terrific financial burden that I have
always anticipated Federation would be, and which
the Fiscal Reports make to appear even worse than
I thought it would be.
There is one othlr remark that I would like to
make. I was very much surprised at the sech that
Hon'ble Mr. Hunte made on this occasion. I do not
think it was a year auo that we debatd t,; London

Plan, and Hon'ble Mr. Hunte admits today that he
was one of those who voted in favour of that Plan.
I salw complete change in his attitude today, and if
he could have seen then what he has seen between
then and now I am sure that he would not have voted
,s he did on the last occasion. It does -eem that
the hon'ble member has some real misgivings as: to
what result Federation is going to have.
However, Sir, I would like to wish yourself and
the Hon'ble Premier and the other Delegates and

_Advisers the best of luck, and I hope that you will
re aule to represent us to the best of your ability.
HON'BLE F. C. HUTSON: Sir,-As one of
those who voted in favour of the adoption of the
London Plan I did so with the knowledge and the
information that I had then. Since then we hav-.
had this matter examined by three eminent Com-
mnissioners, and the new proposals put forward arc
totally different from what we were led to expect at
,he time we debated the London Plan. If Hon'blo
Mr. Hunte is feeling some doubt about it I have a
great sympathy for him because matters have been
put forward, especially on the fiscal side, of which
j did not have the faintest idea.
WVhen the London Plan was made, it was de.
cided that 15 per cent of the customs revenue of each
Unit would go to the Federal Government and Bar-
bados' share would be roughly $900,000. Today Sii
Sydney Caine tells us that 15 per cent would not be
sufficient. That, quite frankly, has come as thu
greatest shock to me. Hon'ble Mr. Robinson has
asked if we should have Federation at any price.
My answer to that would be no; because there is a,
limit to what we can afford to pay.
As I have said, some of these matters have been
changed very considerably. I will refer to one or
two of them. I do not want to talk too much about
tie financial side, because many members have al
ready touched on that I will however ask this ques-
tion in connection with the powers which the dele-
gates will have: Sir Sidney Caine recommends that
wherever the Federal Capital is situated the Govern-
iment cf that Unit should give up a portion of lani
to the capital.. If at the London Conference it is
decided to put up the capital in Barbados will our
,delegates have the power to commit the Governmea..
to giving up land for the use of the capital? Canl
they say "we will give you land"? We also have
our new Government Headquarters, and it is con-
ceivabole that if the temporary Federal Capital canm:
here those headquarters might be very useful. Have
our delegates the power to say "we will let you
have those headquarters as a temporary measure"?
Sir Sidney in stressing the need for economy,
raised a point which I in my humble way raised
on the last occasion, that is the number of
members of the Federal Legislature. Sir Siduey
gives us a pretty strong hint that we propose to have,
too many people in our Federal Legislature. Hie
points out that each member will cost 2,000, plus.
ihe additional cost of the building etc. Mr. Manley
say s very definitely that there must be no alteration
in the number of people. Sir Sidney Caine takes '
the opposite view. The larger the number of mem-
bers, the bigger the building will have to be.
I notice that the area of land proposed for tlhec
capital has been reduced from 500 to 50 acres with
a possible maximum of 100 acres. I would like to
mention that the headquarters of the United Nations
in New York which carries a staff of about 3,000 and
i which has three enormous halls, gardens, fountains
etc. covers about 18 acres, but we have to have
things on a much bigger scale.

Another thing that has taken me by surprise is
that as far as I can figure out it is anticipated that
for the first five years in the life of the Federation-
tihe only services they will take over are the Meter-
eological Services and the Trade Commissioner. Pro-
sumably we will be having the West Indian Court
of Appeal abolished. Why it is desired to have such
ia large stock of Judges for the Supreme Court is'
something that the Hon'ble Acting Attorney General
can perhaps explain.

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I do not want to be facetious, but one of the ser, and it does not follow that a commissioner is
comments of the Judicial Commissioner struck me as bound to take the advice of an adviser.
amusing. In paragraph 3 of his introduction he 'ihe hon'bie member asked me if I agree to hav-
-a vs that whatever judges are appointed and what- ing a Chief Justice and six other judges as members
ever their method of appointment they must inow of the Federal Court. My answer to that is "yes"
their job and be impartial. I was under the im- and the reasons are these: The West indian Court
pression that that was a sine qua non where a judge of Appeal as it is presently constituted, is limited
is concerned. in its scope; and from the available figures and the
Hon'ble Mr. Pile has referred to the point views expressed by members of that Court it seems
made by Mr. Manley about the removal of officials incapable of dealing with the volume of business
from the Federal Executive. I would have thought with flhich it now has to deal.
that in the early days particularly it would have When one bears in mind that it is anticipated
been better to have on the Executive people who pos- that the Federal Court will also be a Court of Crim-
sibly know a bit more about Federal Government. final Appeal one must see that it is necessary to pro-
than we do. I am astonished that we should say vide a sufficient number of judges or there will be
\e do not want any. I do not agree with that. delays in the administration of justice.
As regards the point about the reduction of the It is well known in legal circles and elsewhere
reserved powers of the Governor-!General, Mr. Manley that we in Barbados have no Court of Criminal
does not explain what he has in mind. That is Appeal. You cannot by any stretch of the imagin-
about all I have to say. Your responsibility, Sir, is ation call the West Indian Court of Appeal a Court
very very grave. The good wishes and prayers of of Criminal Appeal because it is only possible to get
all of us will go with you. to it from the Court of Grand Sessions by wajy of a
case stated by the judge. Within the last 25 years
SHORT ADJOURNMENT there has been only one such case, and that occurred
about three years ago.
On the motion of Hon'ble Dr. H. G. Massiah I think that in having no Court of Criminal
seconded by Hon'ble E. S'. Robinson the council ad- Appeal we are unique in the British Common-
jOurned for 15 minutes. wealth. We have been fortunate in having a Chief
Justice presiding over our Court of Grand Sessions
RESUMPTION who is eminently suited for that post and who is un-
surpassed in that sphere; but a person convicted as
On the Resumption: tie result of misdirection by a udge has no actual
HON'BLE F. E. FIELD: Slir, I would like means of redress. All that he can do is to petition
to add my quota of congratulations to Hon'ble Mr he Privy Council for leave to appeal. Many people
Robinson on the fine speech that he has made. He are apt to say that one can appeal to the Privy
has posed certain questions and directed them to vari- Council; but Hon'ble Mr. Ward can bear me out
ous members of the Council. One of his questions is that being able to petition for leave to appeal and
Whether the delegates from this Island have pleni- having an absolute right to appeal are as different
potentiary powers, power to bind the Government. au chalk from cheese. One only has to cite the num-
Well, Sir, one must bear in mind the origin of Fed- ber of cases in which leave to appeal was refused.
Well, Sir, one must bear in mind the origin of Fed- They only entertain matters in which there has been,
ration and the stages through which it has passed he only entertantial miscarriage of justice there has been
up to the London Conference. I understand that the a sto bstantial miof justarriage of justice almost ad iount-
invitation as a result of which our delegates are go- hito a denma of instces inly recent local e hlawyersd
ing to London was extended to the Government of this this Island two instances in which. local lawyers
Island; ato London was extended to the Government of this thought they would get leave to appeal but to their
Island; and the Government of this island as gov- great surprise the Privy Council refused to grant
.rnment hfas appointed three delegates to this Con- that leave.
ference. Taking all the circumstances into consid- From the point of view of the administration
eration, it is my view that these delegates will have of justice iFrom the point of view of the administration
authority and certain plenipotentiary powers to who naturally has interest in such mattlawyers, and oneel
bindecessary to government. back to theth Legislature as that the Federal Court should be in a position to
incessant from the Government, for ratificslature, as dis-wt function efficiently and equitably. If there are not
is don from the Government, for ratification of wihat a sufficient number of judges, delays are bound to
is done au t the Conference I have not given any final take place; and if this Court is going to have, as we
thought. hope it will have, full powers to entertain civil and
I would not say that this question has not been criminal appeals from British Guiana, Trinidad, the
noticed by other people. My view is that as far as Windwards and Leewards, Barbados, and Jamaica,
the Government of this Island is concerned, and then on the figures that were supplied to the Com-
bearing in mind the particular form of government missioner I feel satisfied that the Court will have
that we have today, these delegates carry with them sufficient work to do to keep it very busy.
sufficient power to bind this Government on this One also has to remember that the present West
matter of Federation. Indian Court of Appeal travels very extensively
Hon 'ble Mr. Robinson submitted some other hrouhout these islands. One member of the Council

questions which are really, not in my province, like has compared the proposed Federal Court with the
under what authority an adviser has left these shores Supreme Courts of Australia and Canada, and I
before the Legislature finally passed the necessary have seen a comparison between it and the Federal
funds to enable such a journey to be undertaken. Court of the U.S.A. I do not think that those com-
ihat is a matter with which the Accountant General prisons are fair, because we do not know what are
and tlhae Auditor General would be more concerned, the final jurisdictions of the appellate side of the
I do not know what is the position and so I cannot Federal Courts of those territories. Speaking subject
answer the question raised about it. to correction, I believe that the Federal Court of
Now. Sir, I turn to the Pre-federal Commis- the U.S.A. is somewhat limited in its jurisdiction.
sioner 's Renort with which I am more familiar. It is a very difficult Court to get to in any case.
namelv the RePort of the Judicial Cbommissioner. T On the other hand, the Judicial Conimissioner-
will remind Hon'ble Mr. Robinson and otfhpr mem- rightly points out that the bulk of the work will
hers that I was only on the commission as an advi- fall on the appellate side of the Federal Court of

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the West Indies. It is not intended that there should
be any difficulty in getting to that appellate Court.
It is well known and needs no special urging by
ine that one of the strongest points in the British
Constitution is a high standard of administration of
justice. It is because of that higth standard that it
has survived for a long time. T'ihe Commissioner, I
believe I am right in saying, envisages a strong and
able Court. Hon'ble Mr. Hutson with some derision
quoted a paragraph of the report to the effect that
a judge must know his job and be impartial. I be-
lieve that the Commissioner was trying to express
in simple language what we have heard expressed
in other language-that justice must not only be
done; but must seem to be done.
As regards salaries, there is no doubt in my
mind that unless in an atmosphere such as exists in
the West Indies you are prepared to pay a proper
salary to attract the proper man we may not get
the high standard of justice to which people are
entitled before a British Court whether in a crim-
inal or civil case. The salary proposed here for the
Chief Justice may look big and so may the salaries
proposed for the other judges, when compared with
salaries paid even in England. But you must not
forget that they have built up a tradition in England
whereby the best from the Bar go straight to the
Bench. They do not go through the normal career
channels that we have in the colonies. These men
have been willing to sacrifice their practice at the
Bar to go on the Bench in England. Sometimes
they do it because they cannot continue with the
pressure of work, and in other cases because of the
dignity which attaches to the office.
I feel, Sir, that the salaries proposed here,, while
they may appear to be very big, are not big when
one takes into account the cost of living and the
Income Tax which the holders of the offices will
have to pay. Taking all those things into account,
I do not think that a man who is paid such a salary
will become a rich man after ten years. I. have
never found that Judicial or Civil Servants ever re-
tire with big bank accounts. If I continue to live
in the West Indies I will die a poor man. That I am
resigned to.
The Commissioner recommends that the salaries
should be a little higher than those recommended in
the S.C.A.C. Report which is about seven years old.
If we accept that the cost of living has increased
since the S.C.A.C. Report then I think it is fair that
the salaries should also be increased.
As far as the other reports are concerned, I am
not going to express any personal views that I may
hold. One reason, I understand, for having these
debates before the departure of the delegates is that
there may be an opportunity to hear the views of
people who are in a better position to know than
some of the delegates and advisers, on points which
they consider of importance, and on which their ad-
vice and criticism would be useful. I did not come to
this meeting to be cross-examined, but rather to
listen, and if I may, to get useful advice; and I am
sure that much useful advice has resulted from the
debate that has taken place this afternoon. In my
humble capacity as adviser I will pass on the advice.
Whether it is accepted or rejected by the various

delegates will lie entirely in their discretion. As an
adviser one can only advise. He cannot make any-
one accept that advice. A lawyer cannot even com-
pel a client to accept his advice. One hopes to be
able to put points of view on constitutional matters
which politicians do not always recognize easily or
are not familiar with and which may be more within
the province of a legal man. One hopes to be able
to bring those points to the notice of the delegates
so that in reaching decisions tney may give due
regard not only to the legal considerations involved,
but to the constitutional considerations.

I hope, Sir, that I have dealt satisfactorily with
the points winch have been raised, and which are
within my province. If I have failed to deal with
any point it is purely a mistake, and I am still will-
ing, it it is drawn to my notice, to deal with it as
well as I can.
HON'BLE IR. N. TURNER: Sir,-I do not pro-
pose to speak at any great length, because most of
the questions asked, have been directed towards you,
Sir, as one of the delegates, or to Hon'ble Mr. Field
as one of the advisers. The Hon'ble Mr. Robinson
to whose speech I womld like to pay a deserved tribute
directed one question specifically to me. He asked
whether I was in full agreement with the recommen-
dations of Sir Hilary Blood, and in particular referr-
ed to the salary scales for the proposed Federal Ad-
iinistrative Officers which Sir Hilary recommended
should be based on the highest paid within the area,
that is to say in Jamaica, and the leave passage and
other concessions based on tlhe best within the area,
that is to say in Trinidad.
I would mention that Sir Hilary Blood was ap-
pointed Chairman of the Civil Service Preparatory
Commission and was the sole Commissioner. He was
the only person who signed the report. As his pre-
amble letter on Page 7 of his report states, with him
were associated representatives from the other is-
lands. Of those representatives, Sir, I was selected
to be one.
I do not in fact agree with all parts of the report;
but I do not think it was incumbent upon me to set
them out in detail. I was not very happy about
the proposal that the Colonial Development and Wel-
fare Advisers whom it is proposed to incorporate into'
the Federal set-up should be advisers on staff matters
ito the Public Slervice Commission. There were
other points of detail with which I was not necessari-
ly in agreement. No body of people who are assem-
bled to deal with a topic in a democratic way cian be
expected to be in agreement on every point.
Now paragraph 12 of the Report makes it clear
that much of the report is based on a series of sup-
positions. Many of those suppositions are set out
in para. 9. Para. 13 shows that Sir Hilary's report
was related to the type of federation envisaged in
the London Plan based on the general structure
laid down in the London Plan. It was not for him
to question the size of the Council of State or of the
Federal Legislature or anything like that. He accept-
ed the decisions of the London Conference in such
matters, for example a Council of State of 14 mem-
With regard to the salaries proposed for the
Judicial and Administrative Services based on the
highest paid in the Units to similar officers, in para.
78 Sir Hilary says: "In recommending the salaries
for these grades for recruitment purposes I have no
alternative other than to take into account the high-
est salaries paid to similar officers in the Unit Gov-
ernments, at present in Jamaica."
In para. 24 he states that the Federal Govern-
ment was envisaged by him as an administration oi
moderate size but high in quality and with consid-
erable flexibility. Put in other words, the head-
nuarters staff of the Federation is to be a selection

of the best brains that can be got within the area;
and in order to get these best brains quite obviously
one must link the salaries with the best paid in the
area. What other alternative is there?
I myself have at certain levels pointed out the
effect that this will have on the units. A Permanent
Secretary in Barbados draws 1,200 a year, in the
Federation this post is proposed to be at 2,100 A
Senior Assistant Secretary will get 1,700 or will
get 1,200 rising to 1,400. Hon'ble members can



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envisage for themselves what the repercussions will
be as a result of the proposal to base the Federal
Service salaries on the highest paid in the area; so
it must be remembered that Sir Hilary's job was to
work out the salaries required for the members of
the Administrative, Judicial and Legal Services; and
I repeat, what other alternative can be adopted
in order to get the best possible material in the art-a.?
You could not expect the Federal Government to at-
tract the best material in the area if the propo; d
salaries were linked to the middle or the lowest
paid within the region.
Hon'ble Mr. Robinson asked why Sir Hilary
did not recommend reductions among the Services
of the Units. The reason is very obvious-it was
not in his terms of reference. His terms of refer-
cnce were to make recommendations concerning
the establislnnent of the F'ederal Public Services and
other matters depending on that. It was not within
his terms of reference to deal with Unit problems.
If the Units considered that their structures must
be reduced in consonance with the Federal structure
that will be a matter for the Unit Governments.
With regard to the departure of Hon'ble Dr.
Cato all that I can say is this: In consultation wi th
the President of this Council I arranged with the
Clerk of the Council for a meeting today to discuss
the Reply to the Governor's Message and the Reso-
lution to pay the passage expenses of the delegation,
the reason being that the Other Place was discussing
Federation last week on Thursday, and it is normal
to allow the Other Place to have its say first.
At the first time I had no idea that the Hon'ble
Dr. Cato was intending to leave last week. He has in
fact gone off. I do not think that any payment has
actually been made by the Government as re-
gards his passage. In the event of the cost of tihe
passagee not being forthcoming, from GovernLmnt0
funds Hon'ble Dr. Cato realises quite clearly that he
will have to pay out of his own pocket. However, ae
decided to go off for private reasons at this early daie.
When I come to the next item I will make it clear
that Hon'ble Dr. Cato will not receive subsistence
allowance for the period during which he is on his
private affairs.
Another point is this: Pre-federal Reports are
Command Papers of Her Majesty's Government
prepared for consideration at this final conference,
and they have in fact been published just over a month
before the conference begins. There have been some
criticisms outside this Chamber as to why they w re
not published earlier. I think that hon'ble mem'brs
will agree that due to the printing of these reports
and their despatch by sea mail, because the cos- of
sending them by airmail in large numbers to the col-
onies would have been prohibitive, and fixing a
simultaneous date for publication which must be after
the date on which they were received by the last
colony, it was not possible to publish them earlier
than the beginning of January.
The Legislature of this Island, to the best of my
knowledge, is the only Legislature which has in fact
debated these reports. It is possible that I have

slipped up on some of the smaller islands, but to the
best of my knowledge that is so. In my opinion it
was right that the Barbados Government should send
them down to the Legislature as early as possible so
that members could consider them, and this Chamber
could be given the opportunity to express its views
on the reports.
It would be wrong, I think, to bind the hands
of tfhie delegates to this conference too closely. Wha1t
is the object of any conference? No delegate can go to
any conference with his hands tied. If that were

not so there would be no use in having any conference
at all. You may as well send a letter saying "these
are my views from whidh I am not prepared to devi-
ate one way or the other." There must be room for a
certain amount of give and take in any conference
of this nature.
The Legislatures of the area, including Barbados,
have on occasions in the past expressed agreement in
principle with Federation. There comes a time when
one cannot go back over every single point that arises
at a conference. What procedure this conference will
adopt will be a matter for the conference itself. If
fundamental variations are raised the conference
itself will in a free way decide whether the variation
should be accepted or how it should be dealt with.
They may decide that there should be a unanimous
If, as is set out in the correspondence of the
Secretary of State for the Colonies, it is desired to
proceed with the Act of Parliament before the sum-
mner recess it is essential that all controversial mat-
ters should be settled before that time. Therefore,
if controversial matters are to be referred back to
the Unit Governments they will have to be dealt
with expeditiously.
In this connection I would just mention two
points. One is that on the 2nd. of February last
year the Secretary of State said he hoped that West
Indian Governments would be sending to the Lon-
don Conference delegates with pleanipotentiary
powers, and that he would ask Parliament to pass.
the necessary U.K. legislation. That was said before
the Trinidad Freedom of Movement Conference. Then
the Trinidad Freedom of Movement in the course of
its deliberations recommended that the British Gov-
ernment should be requested to proceed with the
greatest possible speed to the completion of the
parliamentary measures that would enable the Fed-
eration to be established. The legislatures of the area
including Barbados, did not raise any objection to
that recommendation. I think, therefore, at this
stage I will give way to our President whom I am
sure we all wish well, and hope that he will have a
successful visit to London. (Cheers).
been very gratifying to see the manner in which
this debate proceeded. I feel that hon.ble members
have given a good deal of thought to the subject and
have expressed their views in no uncertain terms-
It is always useful to know what are the views of any
chamber or body that you represent; but it does
seem to me that it is no use reiterating the arguments
against something which has been agreed to already,
because it does not get you any further.
As regards this subject of federation, we have
argued it out over and over again. In my view there
is a growing feeling in this whole British West Indian
area of a national spirit. The people wish to grow
up; they do not wish any longer to be governed as
a colonial people. They wish to become a self-gov-
erning area. That natural aspiration is there, and
you cannot deny it. The man who tries to deny it is
swimming against the stream. As one who has the
interests of this country at heart, it seems to me that
the best thing to do is to recognize that that spirit

is there, and to use your best judgment and influence
to see that it comes about as a reality and in the best
possible manner.
Again, it is no use sitting back and saying that
it, will cost so much. We have argued all that. To
me Federation is an act of faith. No one who has
advocated it has done so in any other spirit but as
an act of faith. There was a time in this Island when
we had restricted franchise. We reduced the qual-
i fications and we gave greater voting power to the


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people. We then gave complete adult suffrage. One
did not argue what it would cost. VWhen the Govern-
ment elects how much it will spend over a particular
period it cannot see what the future will be. When
you see a growing feeling and you see it marching
on and you cannot stop it the best thing to do is
to put it on the best path you can and get the
best constitution that you can for that nat iral
aspiration that is there.
We went to Jamaica and discussed Federation
at the Montego Bay Conference. There was then the
S.C.A.C. Eventually the S.C.A.C. Report was dis-
cussed by the Legislature. Then there was the London
Conference at which the S.C.A.C. Report was gone
through with a fine toothed comb. Issues that were
not controversial were passed, and then the contro-
versial issues were threshed out again. No one who
was there agreed on everything or we would not get
Federation in 100 years. Some people had to give way
on points that they felt strongly about. Then the
London Plan was formulated.
The London Plan was debated by the various
Legislatures in the area and by the Barbados Legisla-
ture as well. It is perfectly true that it passed this
Council by a majority of one; but if you argue that
is passed only by a small majority vote-
HON'BLE G. D. L. PILE: I would like to say
Sir, that we were not debating the virtues of Federa-
tion. We were discussing the points made in these
Pre-federal Reports, and how they affect the issue.
Both Hon'ble Mr. Robinson and I made it clear that
the Legislature had agreed to the London Plan and
that in accordance with parliamentary practice we
would not re-open debate on that issue. We are not
debating whether Federation is a good or bad thing;
but how these reports affect the issue, and particu-
larly how they affect the position of our delegates;
whether a delegate, if he did not agree with :some-
thing, could say so, and say that he would refer it
back to his Government and Legislature. or whether
the delegates were going with plenipotentiary powers.
the point that I was coming to. We debated the
London Plan. That is the only thing before us. In
the London Plan when it was debated there was the
question of freedom of movement and the Freedom of
Movement Conference was subsequently held in
Trinidad. The only thing that is before the Council
is the London Plan.
Now with regard to the question about these
Commissioners' Reports, I do not take it that these
Reports interfere with, or alter the London Plan.
We are going to this London Conference to discuss
the London Plan, and it would seem to me that if
any major change is to be brought about a delegate
would have to say: "I represent a country which
agreed to this or that."' But when the Conference is
convened it will lay down its own procedure.
As regards the Commissioners' Reports, the
Commissioners expressed their views; but those views
are not binding. They do not change auythinmg.
The only variation that has been made is as regards
the cost which variation is contained in the report
of the Fiscal Commissioner; and that has to be de-
cided by the Federal Government when it is set up'.

In fact, a lot of the other things will have to be
decided when the Federal Government is established
It is not that one has to accept whatever these reports
It seems to me, therefore, that in going to this
conference we will have before us the London Plan
and the recommendations of the Freedom of Move-
ment Conference. Those are the things we have
debated and which the Legislature has passed, and
it does seem. to me that it would be difficult for the

Conference to upset any major principles that were
accepted by these two conferences. If it did, it
would appear that the natural corollary would be
to refer tne changes in principle back to the various,
legislatures of the area. On the other hand, I do not
see why the delegates could not accept any variation
that was reasonable. That is the only way in which
I can see that delegates can go to a conference. It
w would be difficult at this stage to say what the pro-
(((edure of the conference will be.
With regard to the points raised by Mr. Manley,
he has a perfect right as a politician to set out his
views and to say what he will try for and what he
will not try for; but that does not affect us in any
way. The points that he has put forward anr in no
xxay binding on us.
HON'BLE G. D. L. PILE: Suppose that Mr.
Manlley put forward his views at the Conference and
that they were accepted by the majority of delegates.
His views constitute major alterations. Would
you just say: "no; I cannot agree with your points
because they are major alterations and I will have
to refer them, back to the country that I represent ?
send delegates to a conference and tell them before
hand exactly what they must do. If you are given the
assurance that the delegates are going with the Lon-
don Plan and the Freedom of Movement Conference
before them it is quite unreasonable to expect the
delegates to say before hand that they will vote for
this or that.
HON'BLE G. D. L. PILE: That is not my
idea at all. I wanted you to explain what your
position was; how much freedom of action you will
have. In other words, if something that you con-
sider a major variation in the London Plan comes
up, do you consider yourself perfectly entitled to
say: "no; I cannot accept that"'? Can you say: "I
will not bind the Government of Barbados to that. I
will take it back to the Government"? No one wants
1o ask you to say whether you will vote for this or
That. We want to know how much freedom of actioi
you have as a delegate.
as a member of the Barbados Delegation. It would
he most unreasonable to ask me to say as an indi-
vidual precisely what I am going to say or to do on
any particular point. We are going to London as
the Barbados Delegation to bring this issue to a
finality. All the legislatures in the area have already
voted in favour of the London Plan. This is the
final conference to put the finishing touches to what
has been done already. How can you ask me as an
individual member of the Barbados Delegation to
say what I will say on item after item? All that I
can give you is the assurance that what we are going
to discuss is the London Plan and Freedom of Move-
mient, and that these three reports of the Commis-
sioners are not binding. Therefore it is not correct
to ask a delegate to tell you before hand what he will
say or do.
HON'BLE K. R. HUNTE: If the Hon'ble Act-
ing Attorney General is correct that the delegates
have plenipotentiary powers they would have the

right to make alterations. The point is what do you
consider minor alterations.
as a Government Delegate; as one of three. We have
before us the London Plan and the Trinidad Con-
ference. We have debated Federation in this Legis-
lature, and like the others in the area we have voted
in favour of it. Naturally if any major change is
made to the London Plan I assume that it would
have to be referred back to the Legislature; but the
difficulty is to say what is or is not a major change.
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JANUAY 7,1957


may consider a minor one. You cannot ask me to
.say at this stage exactly what I will do or say.
As I understood it, I was being asked to say
niow exactly what my stand will be. I can only give
hon'ble members the assurance that I love Barbados
as much as anyone else. I am one of those who voted
for Federation because I believe that it will result in
the growth of this area. I have done it with my eyes
wide open. I realise that it is a risk; but I have
voted for it because I sincerely believe that it is the
right thing to do.
I am going to this conference with the attitude
that I will think not only of any particular selfish
view; but in the interest of the area as a whole. Nat-
urally, as I said just now, what I may consider a
major point someone else may consider to be minor;
and it would be difficult for me to commit myself at
this stage one way or the other. I can only give you
my assurance that I will give my whole and undi-
vided attention to what I consider to be the right
-thing for this Island, and for the area as a whole.

(CURRENT) No. 59
His Honour the President called the second
Order-A Resolution to place the sum of $20,000 at
,the disposal of the Governor-in-Executive Committee
to supplement the Estimates, 1955-56, Part I, Cur-
rent, as shown in the Supplementary Estimate, 1955
-56 No. 59, which forms the Schedule to the Reso-
HON'BLE R. N. TURNER: Sir,-Hon'ble Mr.
-Robinson used an apt word to describe this final
Federation; Conference when he said it was a momen-
tous one. It is indeed the most momentous conference
.on constitutional matters in the West Indies that has
ever been held. Both Houses of the Legislature of
Barbados have now agreed to the composition of the
,delegation for this conference. Jamaica, as the
Hon'ble Mr. Robinson has -said, is sending three
delegates and several advisers. According to the
'"Trinidad Guardian" Trinidad is sending three del-
egates and, I think, five or six advisers. The Wind-
ward and Leeward Islands are together sending four
-delegates with a certain number of advisers.
It is obviously necessary that this Government
should be adequately represented and that they
.should have a good all round team, with advice from
the Acti4g Attorney General on constitutional mat-
ters and from the Financial Secretary on financial
considerations, which will be one of the most impor-
tant factors at the Conference.
As far as this Resolution is concerned, it is based
onm sending six people-three delegates and three ad-
visers. How long will the conference last? That will,
I suppose, depend on the length of the debate on any
particular item; but there are plans for the confer-
ence being based on a time limit of about a fortnight.
Now assuming that that estimate is anywhere near
correct, it is necessary for the delegates to get there
in advance, and if the conference ended exactly in
two weeks-it is due to start on a Tuesday-they will
bave to wait to get a plane back. It is therefore
reasonable that three weeks should be set aside as
the length of time that the delegates and advisers arce

likely to have to stay in Lo'ndon. It is possible that
the time may be longer, and less likely, shorter.
When I was in England in 1954 my pocket did
not permit me to stay at any expensive hotels in
London so I am speaking now from hearsay; but I
understand that costs are prodigious in Central Lon-
don hotels. Then there is bound to be a certain
amount of entertainment. It is unlikely that the
conference will be all work and no play. On the last
occasion, in 1953, a cocktail party was put on for
w-;hich the cost to this Government was about $400.00.

Then, in accordance with the traditions of West
Indian hospitality, there will no doubt be a reception
given by the West Indian delegates in return for ihos-
pitality accorded to them by Her Majesty's Govern-
ment. I believe that there are plans for a film pre-
miere in aid of Hurricane Relief aind that will cause
added expense. There will in addition be transport
expenses for going from hotel to any functions that
may be arranged, and it may well be that the Bar-
bados Delegation aind the other delegations may wi.h
to put on a party on their own account.
A Resolution was therefore sent down for a
sum of $17,500, the breakdown of which is in the
Addendum to the Resolution. It will be noticed,
however, that this Resolution before the Council is
for $20,000. In the other place it was said from the
floor of the House that the amount of $17,500 was
insufficient for the dignity of the occasion, and that
it was possible that further expenditure might oe
required. After consultation with the other Minis-
ters present, the Premier moved that the sum be
increased to $20,000. That Resolution was consider-
ed and found to be in order, and was passed by the
Other Place.
The Hon'ble Dr. Cato has already left. It is the
intention that the Hon'ble Premier and the Finan-
cial Secretary should leave within the next three
or four days, with the intention of having other
talks in London. Passages are expensive and time
is important, and they have other business to discuss
with the Secretary of State for the Colonies in Lon-
don. Subsistence allowance for the period not spent
on Federation business will not be met from this vote,
but from the ordinary conference vote. Hotel expens-
es and travelling and incidental expenses will be
worked out according to the actual bill presented.
If the Bills presented do not come to the amount
provided, then the sum that is over will lapse in the
Treasury. I move, Sir, that the Council concur in
the Resolution.
Hon'ble F. E. Field seconded the motion.
HO'N'BLE E. S. ROBINSON: Sir,-I rise -to
draw your attention to the procedure that was
adopted in the Other Place where this Resolution is
concerned. I am wondering if it was not contrary
to the Executive Committee Act. I would be g, ;1
if the Hon'ble Acting Attorney General would give
an opinion on it. As far as I understand it, although
we have Ministerial Government the Executive Com-
mittee Act has never been amended; and it would
seem to me that after the Executive Committee, which
is the body charged with the duty of initiating poli-
cy, agreed to the Resolution for $17,500 and sent it
down to the Legislature, it would be incumbent o01
the Minister in charge if it was propl)osed to increase
the vote to refer it back to the Executive for final
decision before increasing it. What has taken place
in the Other Place does seem to me to create a pre-
dent, and once a precedent is created, there is no
reason why other matters dealing with finance which
crop up from time to time will not be handled in
the same manner; and without the Governor-i-

Executive Committee knowing anything about it the 7
will find that they have been already committed.
[ wonder if the Hon'ble Acting Attorney who is
the Legal Adviser to the Government can express
any opinion on it.
I should like to point out that half of the money
is going to be spent on passages. As I said in my
remarks on tihe Reply to the Governor's M\Iessage, if
the conference had been held in the West Indi-
Barbados would not have been called upon to pay
nearly $10,000 to cover the transport of delegates and
advisers to London. I do not know if I understand
the Hon'ble Chief Secretary correctly, but I think

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-he said that subsistence allowance would be paid out
of the conference vote.
HON'BLE R. i\. TURNER: What 1 said was
that the Premier and the Financial Secretary are due
to leave within the next few days because they have
other business to discuss in London. The Federation
Conference does not start until the Tuesday of the
following week. They will therefore be in London for
about ten days before the Conference begins. Any
subsistence allowance they draw for the period when
they were not dealing with Federation will come out
of the Conference vote.
As regards the holding of the conference in the
United Kingdom, I admit that there are strong argu-
ments against it, but there are also strong arguments
in favour. T,he atmosphere in London will be more
appropriate for a Conference that may well become
contentious. An argument used was that there would
be a vast number of draiftsmen, officials and other
U.K. people attending the conference; and it was
preferable that a final conference of this nature
should be held in the part of the Commonwealth
where the necessary Act of Parliament will be formu-
lated in due course.
HON'BLE E. S. ROBINSON: I am sorry that
I misunderstood the hon'ble member. I wonder if
he could- give us a breakdown with regard to the
daily subsistence allova-ltce allowed to each delegate,
End also what is meant by hotel expenses. Naturall
we do not expect the delegation to go to a hotel 1in
the suburbs of London; but I wonder if the hon'ble
member can tell us at what hotels they propose to
stay, and whether suites are being provided for
certain delegates, while rooms with a bath are pro-
vided for some of the advisers. I would also like
to know what hospitality is envisaged. Will the
Barbadian delegation have a big reception at the
Dorchester or the Ritz? If that is the case I am cer-
tain that the Governmoent will soon be coming down
for a supplementary vote. Receptions at big London
hotels, especially on an occasion as momentous as
this, cost a lot of money.
As I see it, I do not believe that the conference
will last just 14 days. It may be 14 months. Spieak-
ing seriously, I am inclined to think that it will
go on for at least four weeks. I would like to remind
the Council that the Conference Vote has been in-
creased every year and now amounts to a consider-
able amount of money. In the Estimates of 1953-54.
the sumn of $10,000 was provided. In the Estimates
of 1954-55 it was $12,000. Last year we voted $18,000,
and we have had a supplementary vote of $10,000
so in truth and in fact we have so far during the
present financial year voted $28,000. This Resolution
is now for another $20,000, so that adding the t~wo
together we arrive at $48,000. I am wondering
whether between now and the 31st of March we will
not be called upon to concur in another supplemen-
tary Resolution on account of conferences.
As I have said, Sir, I would like a breakdown
bf the subsistence allowance. As the Hon'ble Chief
Secretary has told us, the delegation will be attend-
ing a film premiere to be held in aid of Hurricane

Relief. Princess Margaret will be there. At func-
tions of this kind the price of seats range from five
to ten guineas. Will the three delegates be in the
front row and the advisers behind?
HON'BLE R. N. TURNER: I rise with quaking
knees. As regards hotel expenses, I understand that
the delegation will be at the Charing Cross Hotel.
I am also told that in Lon'don accommodation iPs
very difficult to get in February because of the Brit-
ish Industries Fair; and expenses in London as a
result of the recent steady increases in prices! wit i
which the present Government in the U.K. is so

seriously concerned, have gone up considerably
within the last few months. Hotel expenses have been.
worked out at 5 per night for about 21 nights.
As regards hospitality, I do not know in detail
what hospitality is planned, In 1953 after the dele-
gation reached London a telegram came back saying
that the West Indian Delegations were to give a party
in thanks for the hospitality received in England.
It caused some embarrassment because there was no
money in the vote. On this occasion, therefore, it was
thought so certain that the delegation would be call-
ed upon to contribute towards a party that
it was felt that provision should be inserted in the
vote. What other hospitality is envisaged I cannot
say. I have never attended these conferences. No
doubt, apart from discussions in the conference
room itself there is a tremendous amount of dis-
cussion of points of view trying to get one's
opponents to one's point of view. Such discussions
must be thirsty work and the price of drinks at
these hotels in England is not small.
As regards suites and rooms with baths I under-
stand that the Barbados Delegation will have single
rooms with single baths for the whole period, except
during the actual conference when it will have a
suite for the conducting of business outside the con-
ference chamber.
With respect to conferences themselves, some
hon'ble members may remember the remarks that I
made in opening the Employers' Conference at Hast-
ings House when I expressed the view that "the
number of conferences has increased, is increasing
and ought to be diminished." Some hon'ble members
are dnot aware that this Government more frequently
than people think declines to send people to con-
ferences. It is astonishing the number of conferences
that are thought up by fertile brains. The aeroplane
has proved a menace in that respect. There have been
medical conferences in Peru Miami and other attrac-
tive places, and naturally, very good reasons are put
forward for them. Other Governments send repre-
sentatives more often than we do. I personally feel
that some of these conferences are not worth the time
and trouble.
HON'BLE G. D. L. PILE: Sir, As regards
the point raised by Hon'ble Mr. Robinson about the
procedure adopted in increasing the Resolution, I
think that he is quite right. Perhaps the Hon'ble
Acting Attorney General can tell us. If the Other
Place votes money like that without the Executive
Committee being properly consulted about it one does
not know where it will lead to.
HON'BLE F. E. FIELD: Sir, I have to
confess that I do not think I can be of a great deal
of assistance to the Council on this matter this after-
noon. I have had cause to give the matter some con-
sideration. As Hon'ble Mr. Robinson has said, I am
Legal Adviser to the Government and on this occasion
it has been necessary to ascertain exactly what has
been the procedure in the past with financial matters,
and whether that procedure has ever been altered.
and whether the establishment of Ministerial Gov-
ernment would alter it in any way. I have not had
the opportunity to go into all the necessary research.
Certain debates of the House of Commons which

should be available to me are not yet available. I
would not like to express any opinion in this Council
before expressing it elsewhere.
On the other hand, I do not know if it is strictly
within the province of the Council which is merely
al concurring body to try to ascertain whether
the procedure adopted is consistent with parliamen-
tary procedure under the Executive Committee Act.
I am afraid that I cannot give the advice which
normally I would like to eive.
HON'BLE K. R. HUNTE: Sir, As regards
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-ance, about three years ago it was decided that ifn
respect of conferences of this sort representatives
from throughout the area should be given uniform
subsistence allowances. I think that the allowances
in this Resolution are based more or less on that
recommendation. It will be found. I think, that these
allowances will be the same throughout the area.
HON'BLE E. S. ROBINSON: I am not worry-
ing over the allowances. I just wanted to know what
they were. If anyone will have to worry, Hon'ble
Mir. Hunte will when the bill comes in to be paid.
The Resolution was concurred in.

NO. 55

His Honour the President called the third
Order-Resolution to place the sum of $94,000 at the
disposal of the Governor-in-Executive Committee to
supplement the Estimates 1955-56, Part II, Capital,
as shown in the Supplementary Estimate 1955-56,
No. 55 which forms the Schedule to the Resolution.
dendum to this Resolution shows that so far the sum
.of $380,000 has been released to the Public Works
Department out of the various funds for Hurricane
Relief. A breakdown of the expenditure is attached
to the Addendum. This sum has proved insufficient
for two branches of work in which the Public Works
Department is engaged, those being repairs to gov-
ernment property and the cleaning and painting of
government buildings which, were used as shelters.
It will be noticed that the Addendum says that
a further sum of $30,000 is necessary; but Execu-
tive Committee felt that the sum of $94,000 should
be put up. The total amount which it is proposed to
spend on government buildings repairs is therefore
$103,185 as shown in the Addendum plus $30,000,
plus a further $52,000.

Now the greater part of that will come back
from insurance. An agreement has been reached by
which $187,140.78, less depreciation, less salvage, etc.
which apparently form the normal insurance pro-
cess, will be re-imbursed to the Government. It is
therefore estimated that the Government will get
back $162,000 from insurance.
It is proposed to spend $12,000 in respect of
painting and cleaning the various buildings used as
shelters. Some of them are in a pretty bad state
of disrepair. Of the buildings to be repaired the one
at Seawell Airport is the most obvious. Others in-
clude Mr. Beckles' Goodwill League which has virtu-
ally to be rebuilt. Certain other items to be repaired
entirely include Holy Innocents School, Belmont
School and the Customs Official's house at Seawell.
The Public Works Department did not benefit
from the last Resolution which came before the
Council, and I understand that the Director is run-
ning perilously out of funds. That is why I asked
the Council to deal with this Resolution today.
I move, sir, that the Council concur in the Reso-
Hon'ble F. E. Field seconded the motion.
The Resolution was concurred in.


On the motion of Hon'ble R. N. Turner second-
ed by Hon'ble F. E. Field the further items on the
Order Paper were postponed.


On the motion of Hon'ble R. N. Turner second-
ed by Hon'ble F. E. Field the Council adjourned
until Tuesday, January 31, 1956 at 2 p.m.

Jc~ANUARY. 7, 19577



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