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Mr. Auth presented a number of budget amendments for the Board's approval.
Mr. Dicks moved, seconded by Dr. Bayley, to approve the amendments.
Motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Auth requested that Item No. 11 be deleted from the agenda, due
to the fact that subsequent to the agendaeing of this item, Mr. Ed
I Cedarholm had informed the District that the Dept. of Natural Resources
is working to draw up a uniform water code that would produce a document
which would contain procedures for all types of permitting authority
under Chapter 373. This body of rule would then become part of the
state Administrative Code, and would apply state-wide, providing a
uniform approach to any water management permitting authority. Mr. Auth
said that he felt the District should delay any action on proposed rules
and regulations until the draft being prepared by the Dept. of Natural
Resources is made available. The Board concurred with this recommendation
Mr. Clay, Chairman of the Headquarters Committee, reported that the MAI
appraisal which the District had made of the acreage adjacent to the
Headquarters Building included the parcel of land on which the building
is located; therefore, a new appraisal will have to be made. This
new appraisal will be presented to the Board for their information.
Mr. Roger Neiswender, on behalf of Seminole County, stated that the
Commission hoped that the decision of the St. Johns Board to locate in
Palatka was a short-term decision and did not represent an irrevocable
and permanent commitment on the part of the Board. At some time in
the future, Seminole County would be happy to cooperate with the District
in possibly relocating and would provide staff to assist the District
in this regard.
Mr. Dicks and Mr. Brown commented that the lease-purchase agreement
represented an investment, rather than a permanent location.
Dr. Knapp expressed appreciation for the comments made on behalf of
Seminole County, which substantiated his position on the matter.
Mr. White presented for the Board's consideration a proposal by the
Policy Committee pertaining to personnel evaluations. This policy would
give the Personnel Committee the authority to review personnel evaluations
and recommend appropriate action.
Mr. Brown moved, seconded by Mr. Dicks, to approve this policy as
presented by the Policy Committee. Motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Auth presented Mr. Herbert Webb to the Governing Board for their
consideration for employment as Counsel to the St. Johns District.
Mr. White stated that he felt this position should be filled on a
probationary basis, at a lesser salary. After considerable discussion,
Dr. Knapp moved to hire Mr. Webb as Attorney for the District at the
scheduled salary, with a ninety-day review before the Board. Motion
carried; Mr. White casting the dissenting vote.
Mr. Brown moved, seconded by Mr. White, that the meeting be adjourned.
/ Brice Dennis Auth
/ Executive Director and
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Capt. Pratt said that the FCD Governing Board would discuss this at their
regular meeting April 11.
Mlr. Dicks stated that he could see no reason for delaying any action on
this transaction, as it would still be within the mandate of Chapter 373,
and would indicate enthusiasm for an immediate and workable transfer.
Mr. Riley Miles stated that he felt this concept of a contractual agreement
is fraught with almost as many technical and legal problems as the actual
transfer. Mr. Miles expressed agreement with Mr. Brown's concern regarding
having just one representative from each Governing Board in such discussions.
He said that he could appreciate Mr. Shields wishes to work with a small
group, but felt that Mr. Shields did not understand the problems in south
Florida due to the fact that he is in Tallahassee. Mr. Miles further stated
that evidently Mr. Shields was not aware that all of the major county
commissions were voting unanimously to delay the transfer, since they are
unwilling to take this risk.
Mr. Auth replied that the delay in the transfer is strictly to preserve the
integrity of the two pre-existing districts' ability to levy ad valorem
tax, and in no way to impair the intent of the legislature in transferring
the responsibility of management. The language was put into the Act and
the authority given to the Director of the Dept. of Natural Resources to
negotiate the transfer of these responsibilities. Mr. Auth stated that he
felt this was certainly a legitimate position.
Mr. Miles replied that this might be Mr. Auth's position, but that there
were many people who did not agree with this.
Dick ted that the motion on the floor was to accept the concept
of the contractual aremd explore a e poss cities o this
type of arrangement, but did not imply a commitment in i
Chairman Marshall stated that this was one approach, and that no one had
come up with any other answer. He said that he did not care to spend
another five or ten years in such an indefinite situation, and that he
felt the people of the valley should not be subjected to that kind of
a circumstance. Chairman Marshall commented that this is the kind of
constipation of government that is becoming boring[
Chairman Marshall further stated that he felt the Governing Board had a
responsibility to Director Shields and an awareness of the problems that
he faces, but the ultimate responsibility is to the people in the basin.
The uphill reservoir that can't hold water combined with the encroachment
on the flood plain has created a situation that is conducive to flood.
Chairman Marshall stressed that he did not want to be a party to three
or four years of doing nothing.
Mr. White called for question on the motion.
Chairman Marshall called for a vote on the motion. Motion caid unaimsl
Chairman Marshall appointed~r. Cl~ayto represent the Boa1 _'n the meetings
to be ield regarding Tle <";g)Kt'ya~tu5T arrangement, with Bro serving
as an alternate.
Dr. Knapp moved, seconded by Dr. Bayley, that Chairman Marshall be appointed
ex officio member of this group. Motion carried.
Mr. White moved, seconded by Dr. Bayley, to approve the treasurer's report
and vouchers as presented. Motion carried unanimously.
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Chairman Marshall asked Buckner Pratt, Central and Southern Florida Flood
Control District Governing Board Member, to comment on this proposed
Mr. Pratt commented that he was at a slight disadvantage, due to the
't EEthat' he was not aware of this proposed agreement, other than a general
idea that there-might possibly be some kind ot contractual arrangement.
Mr. Pratt stated that he had no idea of what his Board's feelings might
be on the matter. He expressed concern with the conce t of collect g
tax monies and handing Lthis money over to another party without -l-avngi .
Mr. Pratt emphasized that his Board is interested in implementing a
smooth, responsible transfer. He stated that this was not an agendaed
item for the upcoming Board meetings.
Mr. Bob Langford said that there had been no discussion of this matter
on the staff level, other than in a general, conceptual stage, as far as
Mr. White said that he was under the impression that the FCD and SWFWMD
had been contacted on the matter.
Mr. Pratt stated that he would ask his Board to agenda this item for
discussion during their Board meeting.
Chairman Marshall stated that Mr. Shields was in the position of having
to try and resolve what are very difficult problems for everyone con-
cerned, and that the St. Johns Board should determine if they as a Board
approve the concept of the contractual agreement.
Mr. Dick moved that the Board a prove the conce f the contrjp
agreement" an move to asentative from the Board. Mr. White
seconded te motion. Chairman Marshall called for discussion on the
Mr. Brown restated his position that more than one person should represent
the St. Johns District in negotiating an agreement. Mr. White replied
that Mr. Shields had been very specific as to keeping the number of
participants to a minimum in order to avoid excess rhetoric. Mr. Brown
suggested that possibly the Executive Director, Attorney, and an appointed
representative from the Board should participate in the negotiations.
Mr. Riley Miles, Florida Water Users Association, cautioned against moving
too fast on the matter, due to the fact that he felt there were some real
problems associated with this approach. He stated that he had talked
with Mr. Shields and Mr. Blaine and neither one had any knowledge of the
cntractuale arrangement as presentedo~- co'ns-ideration at this meeting.
Mr. White, Mr. Clay, Dr. Bayley, Mr. Auth, and Chairman Marshall expressed
concern that there might be some misunderstanding. Everyone was in
agreement that as a result of the meeting with Mr. Shields, they were
under the impression that both Southwest and Central and Southern had
Discussed the matter with PMr. Shields p-reviously.
Mr. Auth addressed the comment to Mr. Miles that possibly Mr_. Blaine did
not_ wish to divulge the details of this arrangement at the time :To--t--
Mr. Pratt stated that knowing the relationship between Mr. Miles and Mr.
Blaine, this information would not have been kept from him.
Mr. Brown said that due to the fact that no one other than the members
of the St. Johns Board who had been in attendance at the meeting with
Mr. Shields had any knowledge of the proposed contractual agreement
as presented by Mr. Shields for consideration, Mr. Shields shoul beL
contacted for clarification. The other members of tie Board concurred
with this suggestion.-
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Capt. Walter Honour, Jacksonville Bio-Environmental Services Division,
reported that the Water Conservation Program Manager had been employed.
He introduced Mr. Gary B. Weiss to the Board. Capt. Honour said that
equipment was being purchased for the office, and that monies had been
budgeted for data processing services. Plans call for integrating with
the St. Johns District program, as well as U.S. Geological Survey.
A finalized form has been drawn up for applications to drill new wells
or repair old wells. According to Capt. Honour, these forms may be used
by the St. Johns District, City of Jacksonville, the State Division of
Health and the Dept. of Natural Resources. This will eliminate the ne-
cessity for a well driller to have to duplicate the application procedure.
Mr. Weiss, newly appointed Manager of the Water Conservation Program,
stated that he was looking forward to working with the St. Johns District,
and would be reporting on the progress of this program during the Governing
Board meeting s.
As requested by Mr. Auth, and with the concurrence of the Board, Chairman
Marshall agendaed a discussion on the proposed contractual agreement of
the management of those areas to be transferred to the St. Johns District
under the provisions of the Water Resources Act.
Mr. Auth explained that Mr. Harmon Shields, Director, Dept. of Natural
Resources, had requested that the Governing Board and Mr. Auth meet with
him in Tallahassee to discuss the transfer of responsibilities of the Upper
St. Johns River Basin and the Oklawaha River Basin to the St. Johns District
on schedule. Mr. Shields indicated in this meeting that legislation was
being considered by the Senate Natural Resources Committee to be intro-
duced to the 1975 legislative session which provides for a delay of the
actual reconstitution of the two previously existing districts for eighteen
months. Mr. Shields, however, had stated that the mandate of the legis-
lature was to transfer the responsibilities of implementing the Water
sesour-Ac and t g cQnstrun -_ .thosewo areas to th St. Johns District
SC Teui July I, 1975. Mr. Shields felt that the best method to meet.
th7s mandate was to enter into a contractual agreement between the St. Johns
District and the Central and Southern Florida Flood Control District and
the Southwest Florida Water Management District. This agreement would call
for the St John district to manage the Oklawaha and St. Johns basins
t Tron that eighteen month delav The purpose of the delay would e to
allow the water management districts time to resolve some of the constitu-
tional issues and ad valorem taxing issues which have not been put to rest.
Mr. Shields had requested that the governing boards appoint a representative
to meet with him to discuss this contractual agreement whereby the St,
Johnc District would manage the two basns and take the total responsibility
for the water management aspect in return for a dol .rc itnt based.
bn their ability to continue to levy ad valorem tax in those two areas.
Mr. Brown stated that he felt more than one person should be appointed
to represent the Board in this negotiation. Additionally, he said that
his only objection to the July 1 transfer was that the St. Johns District
lacked the funds to operate the works of the basins, but this agreement
would eliminate the problems in that regard.
Chairman Marshall emphasized that there are two problems which cannot be
resolved prior to the ending of the legislative session; the litigation
in Hernando County which has been instituted by Southwest Florida Water
Management District, and relates to the very genuine concern of Southwest
and of Central and Southern Florida Floo Control District relating to the
fate of their ad valorem authority throughout their districts as a result
of the transfer, and secondly, the ad valorem question must be presented
to the voters through a referendum.
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In addition to the slide presentation, Mr. Leve described the various
logs which can be run on a well, and the general function of each log.
Mr. Auth stated that in the work associated with the tri-county agri-
cultural research investigation, seventy-five wells have been scheduled
which can be classified as wild or abandoned water wells. These are
either unvalved, uncapped flowing wells, or unvalved, uncapped open
casings, but not free-flowing. Mr. Auth further stated that there are
undoubtedly hundreds of these wells in the District which have not been
located and properly scheduled. In order to implement a viable program
of capping or plugging these wells, it is necessary for the District to
either contract geo-physical logging services or purchase the equipment.
The District has pledged support to a capping or plugging program by
adopting Chapter 16C-8. In order to evaluate the cost effectiveness
of contracting vs. owning the equipment, consulting engineering firms
had been contacted for bids. Based on the number of wells scheduled, the
District could invest $22,500 in logging services the first year. It
would be possible to purchase the best production model logger with
four-wheel drive vehicle and 4,000 ft. of cable for approximately $20,000.
Mr. Auth recommended that the District pursue this course of action as
being more cost effective per well, and give greater flexibility in
scheduling well logging operations with well owners. This would give the
District a broader scope of operational services with which to make water
management decisions. Mr. Auth asked the Governing Board to give him
the authority to prepare specifications for this equipment, bid it out,
and ask the Board to award a contract at a subsequent Board meeting based
on a complete evaluation.
Mr. White stated that he was basically in favor of having this equipment
available, but was not aware of the cost factor. He said that he felt
this equipment should be used to assist the farmers, and not serve as
a punitive tool which would require that a landowner correct any problems
that might be existing with the well.
Mr. Brown asked Mr. White if he felt that if a farmer needed logging
services, he would be willing to share the cost. Mr. White stated that
he felt this was already being done through payment of taxes. Mr. Brown
replied that the farmer would have a specific need, however, and that the
equipment could be made available on a reduced rate.
Mr. Auth stated that the logger could serve to the advantage of the
farmer. It would be possible to determine the producing zones, and provide
this information in order that the owner of a well could go in and plug
down to a certain elevation; thereby eliminating the problem of salt
Mr. Warren Leve, in response to a question by Mr. Clay, stated that the
cost of plugging a well is borne by the well owner. Mr. Auth pointed out
that under existing statute, any plugging cost for a well that is in
violation of the statute, is borne by the owner.
Mr. Auth said that logging would allow for enforcement of well construction
standards. He reiterated the point that under state statutes and rules,
the water management districts are charged with insuring that water wells
are drilled according to state specifications.
Dr. Bayley moved that the staff be charged with looking into either
buying or leasing logging equipment and checking with the other water
management districts as to the possibility of a joint venFure- Mr. Dicks
s scohde thie m0ti0n.--Motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Dicks and Mr. White instructed Mr. Auth to provide the Board with the
total cost picture of the logging proposal at the next Board meeting, i.e.,
equipment, personnel, etc.
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Mr. Griffith stated that even though Prime is a scientific machine, it did
nave a financial package which would give it business applicability as well.
Ar. Dicks and Mr. White questioned the total cost of the computer system.
.Ar. Auth replied that he had originally estimated $55,000 for the initial
entry system. The bid was for $41,310.00. The District had budgeted
"$20,000 for developing data storage and retrieval, in addition to $7,200
budgeted for keypunch machine rental. At the time the budget was drawn
jp, Mr. Auth explained, it was anticipated that a card system would be
jsed. Therefore, a total of $27,000 would be available out of this year's
budget for allocation through budget amendments. This is the initial cost
for the central processing unit, the teletype system, and the input
keyboard system, which would be handled as an outright purchase, with the
lisk and the printer coming under a lease agreement. Under the provisions
of this agreement, at any time during the first twelve months of the
contract, 50% of the lease cost could be applied to the purchase of any
Ir. Griffith explained that the maintenance contract on the system would
De optional at a cost of approximately $5,000 per year. Mr. Auth stated
that Mr. Jack Flynn, Prime Computer representative, had advised them that
his experience with this system would indicate that the District could
disregard the maintenance contract at this point in time, with the pro-
vision that one could be entered into when the District so desired.
rhe first ninety days after purchase are covered with full warranty.
Dr. Bayley moved, seconded by Mr. Brown, that the Board approve the
purchase of the Prime Computer system as recommended by the District
3taff, which calls for a purchase in the amount of $27,000 this fiscal
fear with the remainder of the equipment to be included in a lease agree-
mnent; with no maintenance contract, but with the provision that a main-
tenance contract could be entered into at any point in time. Mr. Clay
asked if adequate funds were available for this purchase, and if there was
a definite need for a computer. Mr. Auth replied that the St. Johns
District was in good standing fiscally. He assured Mr. Clay that there
vas no question that the District could justify such a purchase at this
4r. Pratt Finlayson, Dept. of Natural Resources, presented a letter from
Mr. Scott Wimberley of that Department which recommended that the St. Johns
districtt delay purchase of the computer system until a later date.
:4r. Auth and Mr. Griffith commented that this posture was diametrically
opposed to that indicated during Mr. Wimberley's visit to the District.
chairman Marshall stated that as a matter of maintaining cordial relations
between the Board and the Dept. of Natural Resources, when a member of
the staff of the Dept. of Natural Resources comments on a matter of this
intensity and complexity, it would be appreciated if it were handled in
a manner which would be much more anticipatory than this.
Chairman Marshall called for the vote. Motion was carried unanimously.
'r. Auth presented the staff's recommendation for developing a geo-physical
Logging capability. He commented that one of the major responsibilities
of the St. Johns District is to understand the complex technical functions
of the groundwater hydrology in the counties of the District. One of
the primary tools available to the groundwater hydrologist is the geo-
physical logger. This equipment allows the determination of the lithology
and geometry of water-bearing formation; defines source, movement, physical
and chemical properties of water, monitors changes in fluid or formation
characteristics caused by pumping or injection, monitors drilling, con-
struction and production of test holes and wells, and generates vital
technical data with which to make water management decisions. Mr. Auth
Risked Mr. Warren Leve, U.S. Geological Survey, to present a number of
slides demonstrating a geo-physical logging unit and the different types
>f probes associated with the unit.
Minutes of the Meeting
Board of Directors
Summary of the Minutes of the St. Johns River Water Manaqgement District
Governing Board Meeting, Held at the Seminole County Courthouse, Sanford,
F1lorida, March 19, 1975, 9:30 a.m.
Chairman Art Marshall called the meeting to order.
The invocation was given by Mr. Ashby Jones, Assistant Administrator to the
Clerk of the Circuit Court, Seminole County. Those present joined in the
Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
Chairman Marshall extended a welcome to the visitors, and expressed appre-
ciation to the Seminole County Commission for allowing the St. Johns
District to use their conference room.
Mr. Clay moved, seconded by Mr. White, that the minutes of the February
Governing Board meeting be approved as submitted. Motion carried unani-
Mr. Auth reported that his investigation into the printing costs of the
water resources document developed as. part of the U.S. Geological Survey
cooperative agreement indicated that the best estimates of offset printing
costs would be on the order of $2.25 per copy, based on 500 copies. Mr.
Auth pointed out that in the Water Use Plan Section of the St. Johns Dis-
trict 1974-75 budget, the Board had approved the concept of publishing
annually a compendium of water resources data for the St. Johns District.
This would be the first of a series of annual reports.
Mr. Brown moved, seconded by Dr. Knapp, that Mr. Auth be authorized to seek
bids on printing costs based on 250, 500 and 1000 copies, and present this
information to the Board at the April meeting for their consideration.
Motion carried; Mr. White casting the dissenting vote.
Mr. Auth reported that the District had purchased two new vehicles accord-
ing to bid specifications as directed by the Governing Board. The bid
was awarded to Palatka Motor Company.
Mr. Auth asked Mr. George Griffith and Mr. Brett Horsley of the St. Johns
District staff to outline the details of the proposed computer system for
the Board's consideration. Mr. Griffith summarized the four alternatives
which were previously considered for the District; i.e., (1) no computer
capability, (2) only remote job entry (RJE) to an existing computer,
(3) modular computer housed in the District and (4) modular computer housed
in the District with RJE terminals. After considerable deliberation and
investigation in the February Board meeting, it was decided that a system
which had the combination of both internal and external capabilities would
be the choice most practical at this point in time, from the standpoint
of need and workload, as well as growth potential.
Mr. Griffith pointed out that the specifications for this type of entry
system were drawn up under the close supervision of the Executive Director,
with outside expertise as needed. This entry system specification con-
sists of the central processing unit (CPU), two input devices a teletype
which produces a hard copy and a cathode-ray tube (CRT) type with an edit
feature, a six million word disk drive and a 165 CDS printer. Data would
be input directly into the CPU and onto disk storage without cards in this
type of system. This specification additionally calls for the capability
to add remote job entry terminals to the system as the need arises. This
would allow for other agencies or counties to come in with terminals in
their own offices to utilize this data.
Mr. Brett 'IIorsley commented on the five companies which had bid with the
District regarding the computer purchase. He enumerated the reasons for
the staff's recommendation of Prime Computer, Inc. In addition to being
the low bidder, Prime was the most suited to the District needs, and had
the greatest growth potential in terms of data storage. Prime Computer
met all the mandatory and desirable features of the specifications.
SUMMARY OF MINUTES
BOARD OF DIRECTORS' MEETING
ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT
9:30 a.m. Wednesday, March 19, 1975
directors Pre sent
ir. Arthur Marshall, Chairman
.:'r. Suzanne Bayley 5
.r. Ralph T. Clay l
.r. George Brown
Ir. John Dicks
ir. Francis M. Knapp AML B0 6
lr. Bobby White
i, directors Absent
1r. Thomas J. Shave
Ir. Roger Neiswender, Seminole County Board of County Commissioners, Sanford
fr. William C. Atack, Longwood
Ir. Gary V. Weise, Water Conservation Manager, Bio-Environmental Services
!apt. Walter W. Honour, Chief, Bio-Environmental Services Division, Jacksonville
Ir. Jack Flynn, Systems Engineer, Prime Computer, Inc., Jacksonville
1r. Warren Leve, U.S. Geological Survey, Jacksonville
,Ir, Tom Freeman, Attorney, Seminole County, Sanford
Ir. Riley S. Miles, Water Users Assoc. of Florida, Inc., Kissimmee
Ir, Robert T. Langford, Central & Southern Florida Flood Control District,
West Palm Beach
"Ir. Paul F. Rosskamp, General Development Engineering, Vero Beach
Ir. Ben S. Burton, Leesburg
Ir. Jim Bryan, Hudson Pulp & Paper Corporation, Palatka
"Ir. George Heath, Attorney, Gulf & Western, Fellsmere Water Management District
"Is. Doris A. Brown, Lake Mary
Ir. B. L. (Cap) Pratt, Board Member, Central & Southern Florida Flood Control
District, West Palm Beach
:Is. Betty Haglund, Provisional League of Women Voters, Orange Park
'Is. Mary M. Higginbotham, Clay County Water Management Authority, Orange Park
ir. Pratt Finlayson, Attorney, Dept. of Natural Resources
Ir. Tracy Baker, Clay County Water Management Authority, Lake Geneva
ir. Martin W. Herbenar, Mayor's Office, City of Jacksonville
Ir. James R. Carson, Jr., Lake County Commission, Leesburg
Ir. Greg Camp, Volusia County Environmental Control Officer, DeLand
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