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Vol .56, N 0.41

Liberal vs. Conservative Debate Set

Copy Editor
Liberalism vs.Conservatism
will be debated here Nov. 21.
James A. Burkhart, professor
of political science at Stephens

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Della Reese, along with the Four Preps, will be top at attractions
tractions attractions Friday night at Fall Frolics. Tickets are on sale
at the Student Service Center (Hub) today.
Pianist Fleisher
In Lyceum Show

Lyceum Council presents world worldrenowned
renowned worldrenowned pianist Leon Fleisher
Udall Heads
Speaker List
Secretary of the Interior Stewart
L. Udall will head the list of
speakers for the second trimester,
according to Richard W. Bowles,
head of the Faculty Lecture Series
Udall has tentatively accepted
an 1. itation to speak on campus
in mid-April on conservation.
The committee also recently
approved the selection of Dr.
Franklin Clark Fry, president of
the Lutheran World Federation,
as the featured speaker for the
Religion in Life Week
convocation, Jan. 20.
Other speakers here in the near
future include archeologist Dr.
L. S. B. Leakey of Coryndon
Museum, Nairobi, Kenya; British
political scientist Dr. Robert T.
McKenzie, andeducational
philosopher Dr. Sidney Hook. /

University of Florida,Gainesville Monday,

College in Missouri, will represent
the liberal view, while Fulton
Lewis 111 will speak for the con conservatives.
servatives. conservatives.
Prof. Burkhart, a native of
Pennsylvania, was educated in

tonight at 8; 15 in the University
Students will be admitted via
identification cards. Admission
tickets will be sold to townspeople
for $2, high school students and
children for sl.
T. ,v ~ -
Pianist Fleisher has performed
at the Brussels Competition, the
Berlin and Salzburg Festivals and
has toured France, Germany,
Scandinavia, Italy, Belgium and
In the United States, Fleisher
has appeared with the
Philharmonic, the Boston, Phila Philadelphia,
delphia, Philadelphia, Chicago and Cleveland
orchestras and at the White House.
Fleishers 1963-64 schedule in includes
cludes includes appearances in Seattle,
Cleveland, New York, San
Francisco and Washington D.C.,
as well as college campuses
throughout the country.
Fleisher has received many
international prizes for his
artistry, and was the first
American to win a major foreign
piano competition. He is widely
recognized for Beethoven


Texas and has been a college
professor for more than 20 years.
He is a member of the American
Civil'Liberties Union (ACI.U) and
the Americans for Democratic
Action (ADA).
Burkhart has taken an active part
in fund-raising activities for the
legal defense of freedom riders
held in custody. He has written
many books and articles
forwarding liberal views.
His articles in defense of
minority rights range from a plea
to better the economic plight of
unorganized rodeo cowboys to re requests
quests requests for improved recreational
facilities for Negroes.
Burkharts foe, the 28-year-old
son of news commentator Fulton
Jr., is well qualified to
meet his challenge.
The young conservative has


International Nuclear
Symposium Opens

Dr. Raymond L. Murray, nuclear
expert from North Carolina State
College, will speak before an esti estimated
mated estimated 100 leading researchers in
the field of nuclear systems here
Murray will address the banquet
audience of the three-day inter international
national international symposium on Noise
Analysis in Nuclear Systems. The
meeting, sponsored by the
Universitys Department of
Nuclear Engineering and the
Atomic Energy Commission, is
aimed at providing an exchange
of ideas between specialists from
Europe, Asia and America on the
recent progress in the field of
noise analysis in nuclear systems.
The banquet, which is also open
to other interested persons, is set
for 6:30 p.m. at the Holiday Inn.
Dr. Murray, who has just
returned from a one-year world
tour as a consultant to nuclear
projects, plans to talk on Pro Progress
gress Progress and Problems in Nuclear
Debaters Cop
Four Wins
UF debaters Ray Williams and
Maxey Bacchus, representing the
affirmative of the national debate
resolution, compiled a four win wintwo
two wintwo loss record at the Wake Forest
Novice Debate Tournament this
Williams* and Bacchus' scores
placed them seventh out of 33
affirmative teams in the tourna tournament.
ment. tournament.
A novice team of HowardGlicken
and Dalton Yancey lost six debates
by slim margins.
They lost to the top five teams
in the final rankings by relatively
small margins, UF Forensic Di Director
rector Director William B, Lashbrook said.

Pictures Tell Tale
Os Auburns Sad (For Us)
See Pages 10, 11

appeared on more than 500 college
campuses in support of his
conservative views. An estimated
250,000 college students have
heard Lewis speak.
Lewis served for two years as
a Research Director for the House
Committee on Un-American Acti Activities
vities Activities (HUAC) of the U.S. Congress.
He was the youngest person in
history to hold this title.
Lewis is probably most famous
for his work as narrator and
technical director on the film
Operation Abolition, sponsored

Energy in Europe, Asia and
Africa. He is the head of the
Department of Nuclear
Engineering at North Carolina
The symposium opens today with
registration at 8 a.m. UF Pres.
J. Wayne Retiz and Dean of the
College of Engineering Thomas
L. Martin, Jr., will welcome the
international group today.
Morning sessions will hear
technical reports from Dr. Robert
E. Uhrig, head of the UF
Department of Nuclear
Engineering; Richard K. Osborn,

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by HUAC. The film has been
seen by over 38 million persons
around the country.
Lewis was born in Washington,
D.C., in 1935 and attended the
University of Virginia. He majored
in speech and political science,
earning a degree in 1957.
The debate, sponsored by the
Florida Union (FU) Forums Com Committee,
mittee, Committee, will be held in the
University Auditorium. A
reception will follow in Bryan

nuclear specialist from the Uni University
versity University of Michigan, and Dr. M.N.
Moore, San Fernando Valley State
Representatives of I,os Alamos
Scientific Laboratory, Atomics
International in Canoga park,
Calif., and Oak Ridge National
Laboratory will be among those
delivering papers this afternoon.
A demonstration of the UF noise
measurements and analyses in
nuclear systems is scheduled for
visiting scientists for 3:30 p.m.
Tuesday afternoon.

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The Florida Alligator Monday, N0v.4,1963

Rats Refuse
To Drown

UF scientists have stumbled on
to a baffling mystery concerning
rats used in experiments in the
Food Technology Laboratory.
The rats, which are "drowned
as part of the experiment, are
showing an amazing tendency to
survive after prolonged periods
of time under water.
According to laboratory
technician Howard Povey, the
amazing survival ability of the rats
was stumbled on by accident.
"The experiment is being
conducted by Carl Brooks, a
graduate student, and is intended
to find the rats reaction to stress
while suffering from clotting of
the blood, said Povey.
"in the course of the experiment,
the rat is injected with Dextran,
a high molecular weight sugar,
which causes agglutination
(clotting) of red blood cells.
"The rat is then weighted down
with a metal collar and placed in
a container of water. We measure
the amount of time that the rat
stays above water and then
compare that to times registered
by rats which are not injected
with Dextran.
Listening Hours
Regular listening humanities
(C-5) hours, Monday through
Thursday, have not been
discontinued, according to
humanities professor Jack S.
The availability of tapes
is primarily for fraternities and
larger groups or individuals.
Tapes are optional.

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After the rat has gone under
water, we leave him there for
a while to make sure he is dead
so we can perform an autopsy.
But the amazing thing is that we
have found some of the rats to
be alive after prolonged periods
under water.
Povey said after he found that
two rats had survived without any
kind of respiration after about two
minutes under water, he placed a
rat under water for 3 1/2 minutes.
When the rat appeared to be dead,
Povey pulled it out of the water.
"After a few moments, the rat
sort of shook himself, regurgitated
some water, and revied, he said.
Povey said that he has no idea
what enables the rats to withstand
the long periods underwater.
"I know that in Denmark they
are conducti ig experiments
wherein dogs are kept in
oxygenated water for up to 30
minutes and survive. But our
rats are being submerged in plain
tap water. Somehow they are
utilizing the oxygen in this water
for respiration.
Real Estate
Club To Meet
The UF Real Estate Club will
meet today at 7 p.m. in Room 218
of the Florida Union.
James o. Buck, past president
of the Florida Association of Real Realtors,
tors, Realtors, will speak on the subject,
"For Sale. All property owners
and prospective property owners
may attend.

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Bookbinder, a Delta Phi
Epsilon. An education
major, she stands 5 feet 4
with brown eyes and hair
and has 35-24-36 for sta statistics.
tistics. statistics.
WSA Meet
Set Tonight
Presidents of womens residents
hall and officers and representa representatives
tives representatives of the Womens Students
Association (WSA) will meet today
at 8 p.m. in Johnsons Lounge for
the annual coffee to discuss
common dormitory problems.
Vicki Weithorn, WSA
corresponding secretary, expects
about 50 women leaders at the
Marine Selection
Team On Campus
A U. S. Marine Corps officer
selection team will be on campus
today through Friday.
The selection team will be at
the Student Service Center (Hub)
each day during the week from
9 a.m. 4 p.m.
All men interested in Marine
Corps commissions may see the
selection team at these times.

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Via Publications

More than 70,000 publications
reach the hands of Florida citizens
each year from the Florida
Agricultural Experiment Stations
and the Florida Agricultural Ex Extension
tension Extension Service.
The more than 450 different
publications range from rose rosegrowing
growing rosegrowing to making cottage cheese
- all part of the UFs off-campus
educational program.
The publications report recent
research findings, such as new
crop varieties, improved
harvesting procedures, fertiliza fertilization
tion fertilization and new planting methods.
Most popular publications re requested
quested requested deal with ornamental
horticulture and gardening. Dade,
Orange and Duval counties request
the largest number of the publi publications.
cations. publications.
Total cost of the publications is
about SIOO,OOO annually, according
to assistant editor Melvin L.
This expense is more than

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skit for parents, relatives anu alumni. The skit was
performed in the DPhiE's new house this weekend.

justified, Sharpe said,/' when you
consider the value of the UFs
research findings to Floridas S9OO
million agricultural industry.
30 Coeds
A calendar featuring 30 UF coeds
will go on sale at most fraternity
and sorority houses Nov. 8.
Irene Lasota, a former UF
student, is financing the cost of
producing the calendars to sell for
75 cents each.
In addition to the coeds, the
calendar will have block spaces
for notes and a list of dormitory,
sorority and fraternity telephone
numbers on each page.

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by REID POOIE, head ol UF music deportment

Musical Focus
The major focus on musical
activities .a Florida is currently
centered on the UF campus.
The Gainesville Music Teachers
Association and the UF Department
of Music are co-hosts to the 29th
annual convention of the Florida
State Music Teachers Association.
The three-day convention
started yesterday and winds up
Tuesday evening.
About 300 private and studio
music teachers from every part of
the state are in attendance.
Two internationally known
figures in the world of music -
Leon Fleisher, pianist, and Mel
Powell, composer and director of
the Electronic Music Studio of
Yale University --are on hand to
present concerts, lectures
and master classes.
On the scene and performing are
college and university music
faculty members from a dozen
different Florida colleges and uni universities,
versities, universities, Florida college music
students from seven different
Florida colleges and universities,
12 Florida composers whose works
were performed in a special
concert Sunday afternoon and some
of the most talented and devoted
young performers of high school
age who were also heard in recital
Music Festival
The convention emphasis on
musical performance provides a
music festival for the UF
community and gives us all a
chance to become acquainted with
many of the i niport ant
personalities from all over the
Mel Powells two lecture lectureconcerts
concerts lectureconcerts on electronic music will
be presented in the Music Building
Auditorium this morning at 11 and
-n Tuesday afternoon at 2;30
p.m. Powells first session is
entitled Electronic Music:
Elements, and the second is
Electronic Music: Syntax.
Powell is one of the leading
American composers of his
generation. He teaches
composition at Yale university
and is director of that schools
Electronic Music Studio.
Among Pc well's published and
recorded works, several have been
performed extensively here and
abroad. In 1960, a work of his
was selected by an international

jury to represent the United States
at the world festival of contem contemporary
porary contemporary music held in Vienna.
Powell has served on the
executive committee of the Inter International
national International Society for contemporary
Music, and has been president of
the Ameican Music Center. He
is a member of the editorial boards
of the Journal of Music Theory
and the recently established
periodical Perspectives of New
Powell *Hias been the recipient
of various distinguished awards
and honors, including a
Guggenheim Fellowship, a grant
from the National institute of Arts
and Letters and a commission from
the Koussevitsky Foundation in the
Library of Congress.
About 20 years ago, Powell was
nationally famous for his
sparkling, even dazzling, jazz im improvisation
provisation improvisation with such great jazz
groups as the Benny Goodman
Scores of serious composers
have been turning out compositions
in the electronic idiom for the
last two decades, and the electronic
music is being assimilated to a
remarkable extent in certain movie
and TV scores.

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Tuesday Concert
The Florida String Quartet, the
UF faculty quartet--Edward
Troupin and Ina Claire Forbes,
violin; Robert Schieber, viola, and
Marie Hende r son,cello--will
present its first program of the
season in University Auditorium
Tuesday evening at 8:15. There
is no charge for this concert.
The program will consist of com compositions
positions compositions by Haydn, Piston and
Busy, Busy
In addition to the above events,
all open to the public, the music
teachers are occupied with general
business sessions and a
remarkably comprehensive range
of discussion and training sessions
involving techniques in the teaching
of piano, voice, strings, wind
instruments, music theory and
. Convention events also include
a banquet on Monday evening and
luncheons on Monday and Tuesday.
The FSMTA members will be the
guests of Pres, and Mrs. J. Wayne
Retiz at a reception following to tonights
nights tonights concert.

Monday, Nov. 4, 1963 The Florida Alligator


Famed Prof
To Speak Here

One of the nation's foremost
wildlife experts, Dr. Warren W.
Chase of the University of Michi Michigan's
gan's Michigan's School of Natural Resources,
Ann Arbor, will visit here Monday
Wednesday for a series of
conferences with faculty and
students of the UF School of
He will highlight his visit
with an illustrated general lecture
on -The Michigan Deer problem"
at 3:30 p.m. Tuesday in Room 410,
Rolfs Hall. All interested persons
may attend.
The wildlife management
specialist will hold special
conferences during his visit with
Dr. J.R. Beckenbach, director of
the Agricultural Experiment
Station; Dr. Marvin A. Brooker,
dean of the College of Agriculture,
and John L. Gray, director of the
forestry school.
Dr. Chase comes to the UF as
a part of the visiting scientist
program" of the Society of Ameri American
can American Foresters.
He has been chairman of the
Department of Wildlife Manage Management
ment Management since joining the UM inl94C.
Prior to this period, he served
with the U.S. Soil Conservation
Service in Minnesota as a game
conservationist, forester and
senior biologist.
He is now closely associated
with the field of forest wildlife
management and specializes in
such subjects as the history of
Via Applications
Space Available
Applications for regular meeting
room space in the Florida Union
during the winter trimester are
now available at the Union Infor Information
mation Information Desk.
They may be picked until Nov.

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wildlife management, history of
early American explorations
and the influence of animal life
on forests.
He has been particularly active
in the wildlife Society, having
served as its president in 1951 -52.
He is a member of the Society
of American Foresters.
Dr. Chase will be available for
conferences with faculty, students
or other interested persons during
his three-day visit. Anyone de desiring
siring desiring to confer with him may
contact Dr. S.L. Beckwith in the
School of Forestry for an appoint appointment.
ment. appointment.
Set Pace
Alpha Chi Omega and Delt;
Gamma sororities are leading ,ii
total sales hours toward receivinj
the silver trophy for publication:
Sigma Kappa, Chi Omega, am
Zeta Tau Alpha also are high ii
sales volume.
The sorority girls have sol<
450 Seminoles and 4,000 Ne\
Orange Peels in the past month,
said Bill Weir, Seminole sale,
AChiO received the award las
year. The trophy becomes th
possession of any sorority winnin
two years straight.
The winner will be announced i
'Hams To Meet
Students interested in radio wor)
may attend the Gator Amateu
Radio Club meeting tonight a
8 in the engineering building, rooi

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Tests--Who Needs Them?
The following is a suggestion which at first, appears illogical,
ridiculous. But think about it.
Tests. What can we do about them? Why do we have them? Can
we improve them? Could we possibly eliminate them?
That, of course, is a student dream. If it werent for tests,
college life would be fun, we all say, but we dont for a moment
believe the situation will ever occur. Yet, there are some good things
to be said for a testless curriculum.
But first, lets examine testing itself. Why do we have tests?
For two reasons, chiefly. The first is that there seems to be no other
method for evaluating the achievement of individual students in a
large class. Obviously the professor hasnt time to do so, even to
the extent of calling upon them in class. A standardized test, then,
matches their performance against that of every other student.
The second reason is that professors want their students to study
at home and pay attention in class. Without the threat of tests as
incentive, many students would do neither.
The first reason seems valid, as long as classes remain large,
which they will do until entrance requirements are raised and more
instructors secured. The only trouble with existing tests, from
this viewpoint, is that they really do not test the amount of knowledge
a student possesses, nor do they insure that he will retain any
knowledge longer than a few months. What the tests really determine
is the students ability to second-guess the teacher, memorize facts
for a short period of time, and withstand the combined physical
and emotional pressures of mid-terms and finals better than his
Better tests could be devised, if instructors had the time, or
interest to devise them.
But another question arises: is it really necessary to compare
one students ability with anothers? What possible difference could
it make anyone except parents? Tests might serve a useful
purpose of they compared a students potential to his own application,
or his previous store of knowledge to the amount a month later.
But this assumes that there is no reason to have grades in college.
And, indeed, there is not.
The student has paid his money. He is not supposed to be
performing for the university, but rather the opposite. Why should
he be failed by a non-subjective evaluation, forced to leave the
college he has paid to attend, because he has not performed in an
approved manner? He should not. He Should, ideally, grade the
professor, as he would evaluate any other service he had paid for.
The second reason is ridiculous. If the professor is any good,
he will be able to interest his students to the extent that they pay
attention in class and study at home.
To sum up: classes should be smaller. Tests should be improved
to really test a students achievement, but the test results should
be for the students private analysis, an indication of how close he
is to his own standards of learning. Grades, for tests or for courses,
should not be given in the first place, nor should they determine the
students academic future.
If it werent for tests, college life would be fun. It might also
be more rational, and more worthwhile.

I would appreciate your allowing
me space in your columns to state
that I did not release for
publication Dr. Peter Wickmans
letter of resignation from the
C-l faculty, which you printed
in the Alligator of October 30,
and that I knew nothing about
your possession of a copy of the
letter or of your intention to
publish it.
I make this request in order
to protect whatever reputation I
may have for personal integrity
and in the interest of anyone
who might now or in the future
wish to write me a letter of a
personal or confidential nature.
Franklin A. Doty
Professor of Social Science
EDITORS NOTE: The letter
was printed at the request of its
author, Peter Wickman, who sent
us a copy for that purpose.
Please sign all letters.
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Lecture Hard To Believe

In light of the furor created
by last weeks admonition of the
American institutions Department
for what I feel is a one-sided
presentation of the American
political picture, I now find it
difficult to believe the content of
a freshman English lecture last
In a lecture, Reporting and
Distorting, the teacher
remarked that some distorting
of news was a product of
prejudice. With particular
reference to political prejudice,
she said, Some want to change
our national government, some
want to keep it the way it is and
(with a wry smile) some want
to move backward--like one I
could name. Recognizing the
direct reference to Barry
Goldwater, the students broke into
laughter and booing.
She went on to characterize
Life magazine as being
representative of vested interests
and not the common man, staunchly
conservative and in favor of
controled wealth. She based her
condemnation of Life on a
current editorial which referred
to the Communist peace
She demonstrated a fantastic
lack of understanding of the
Communist emphasis on peace and
went on to praise the leaders of
the ban the bomb movement.
Following criticism of Time
for its lack of objectivity and
the Chicago Tribune as a counter counterpart
part counterpart to the National Guardian
(which is sold at every
Communist newsstand and has
followed the Communist line on
every major issue for some time),
the professor moved on to a
discussion of the Gainesville Sun.
She claimed that the Gainesville
paper is becoming more objective
because, along with the several
liberal columnists, Sen.
Goldwaters column is now
printed. She said, I dont think
youll make the wrong judgment
when you see Barry Goldwater
next to a fine liberal


is this the type of education
we came to college to get? One
more or less expects political
discussion in an American
government course, and it is not
an unusual occurrence in some
history classes, but deliberate
derogatory remarks concerning
current affairs does not find itself
welcome in an English lecture.
The offense is particularly out outstanding
standing outstanding in the light of the subject


Courses And Buildings

(EDITORS NOTE: In advance
of the upcoming bond issue vote,
graduate student Neale J. Pearson
in this three part series, is
comparing the University of
Florida withOhioStateUniversity,
which is supported in a manner
to which more institutions would
like to become accustomed.
The first article suggested
substantial differences in the
makeup of higher education in Ohio
and Florida.
One might suggest further
differences in the attitudes of
boards of trustees and control
are also reflected in the fact that
OSU offers Ph. Ds in 132 different
fields in 10 Colleges and a
graduate school, while the UF
offers Ph. Ds or Ed. D.s in 61
fields in 14 colleges and schools.
The importance of the industrial
sector in Ohio is reflected by
the existence of a Department of
Ceramic Engineering, which
offers 30 courses aimed at training
technicians for Ohios china and
glass and space industries. On
the other hand, OSU does not have
the citrus crops curriculum of
Nevertheless, it is useful to
examine similar departments as
well as the more dissimilar. In
chemical engineering, OSU offers
29 courses to 36 at UF. In

of the lecture. I suggest that
when warning of the danger of
distortion in objective writhe
it would be wise to avoid
distortion-of tho facts concerning
some of Americas leading pub publications
lications publications and, moreover, to remain
within the subject being discussed
and riot wander off into the deep
water of politics -- especially
when the lecturer apparently cant

chemistry, OSU publishes the
voluminous research publication
chemical Abstracts and offers 73
courses in that subject to 70 at
UF. OSU, however, offers 22
additional courses in
physiological chemistry, which do
not have a UF equivalent, although
similar courses might be offered
medical students at the teaching
hospital here.
OSU offers 39 courses in
agricultural economics; UF, 42;
OSU offers 36 agricultural en engineering
gineering engineering courses to our 22; OSI
offers 26 courses in agronomy to
our 19. In the humanities, OSI
offers 53 courses in political
science, while the UF offers 66.
Ohio State is not in so great
need of new buildings because of
a massive building program which
has been going on since 1946 --
I never did see any of the
permanent temporary buildings
which we possess. The applied
sciences and professional schools
there have fared better than Arts
and Sciences -- just about the
same as here, but with significant
relative differences. Fortunately
for OSU faculty and students, Arts
and Sciences at OSU -- although
lacking facilities in some
departments -- has a new air airconditioned
conditioned airconditioned four-story building
(finished in 1955), complete with
public elevators for students and
private elevators for faculty and
staff. Its foreign language
laborarory has 167 booths with
20 channels each, and 80 additional
booths with 8 channels each, plus
tape recorders for individual
listening and recording. Arts and
Sciences at UF and the language
laboratory are much worse off.
The prospects of UF acquiring
an auditorium similar to OSUs
Mershon Auditorium seating
3,072 persons in air-conditioned
comfort -- are remote.
Florida politicians might
consider the virtues of apay-as apay-asyou-watch
you-watch apay-asyou-watch plan for such a building
if they were to examine the
statistics involved in the more
than 250,000 persons from all over
Central Ohio who attended the
more than 160 major programs
and events which were given then
in its first two years of operation.
The UF hopefully will have a
new graduate library in the next
several years if the bond issue
passes which will go a long
way toward providing the facilities
which OSU has to offer with its
26 branches to our 12.
In 1961-62, OSU spent $422,879
for books, periodicals, binding and
re-binding of publications, while
UF spent $317,924. In 1962-63,
the UF figure* had gone up to
Perhaps the best appraisal of
both institutions that can be made
at this point is that OSU is con considerably
siderably considerably ahead of UF in facilities
available to faculty and students.
In curriculum, both schools have
some very good departments and
a substantial number of mediocre

Myrtle Vinderwacky And The Stetson Boys

(EDITORS NOTE: This article
is reprinted from an editorial in
the stetson University Hatter by
lack Hampton. If you think you have
a rough time here, girls, listen
to the situation at Stetson and give
thanks for the privileges of being
a UF coed.)


I wish to commend you and
your newspaper for printing the
letter from Mr. Emilio de
Cardenas in your Monday morning
issue. Losing our freedom and
independence is a simple matter
if we are indifferent to the gradual
destruction of these rights by an
unrelenting antagonist. A news newspaper
paper newspaper is a great force if it adheres
rigidly to those standards that
have made us a great university
and a great nation. May we never
let down to such an extent that,
in a few years, Castro and his
Communist backers become
acceptable neighbors.
William T. Tifflin
Since you have continued to print
segregationist letters on the
College Inn matter, particularly
by a faculty member (Mr. Collier)
I would like to know;
1. Does the freedom of a
professor extend to giving failing
grades to any Negro in his class,
on account of race? If not, why
not? Would he defend a professor
who did so, on grounds of academic
2. In what way does any person
be harmed if I choose to eat with
a Negro? Why should someone
else decide that I may not choose
my own company? Having been
raised in a white ghetto, I am
more interested in my welfare
than either a Negros or a
King Royer, 7AS
This campus lacks intellectual
maturity as I do; however, my
deficiency is why I am here --and
I find no stimulus in its newspaper.
I instead find a social media for,

The Florida Alligator
Editor-in-chief. opHUgfi*
ry B*rkOWitZ
sports Editor D u
Editorial Page Editor n J S inS
Layout Editor. Ron Spence
City Editor Cynthia nst^
Copy Editor Jim Hammock
r THE FLORID/ ALLIGaTOR is the official student newspaper of the
University of Florida and is published five times weekly except during
the months of May, June, and July, when a weekly issue v? publis
THE FLORIDA ALLIGATOR is entered as secono clas matter
die United States Post Office at Gainesville, Florida.

Its not easy to be a Freshman
woman on this campus you know.
You have to be on your toes all the
time. You must beware of Upper Upperclassmen
classmen Upperclassmen who are out to exploit
you. You must be on guard against
Fraternity andnon-Fraternity men
who act just like the above-men above-mentioned

and concerned with, social activity.
A paper aimed not at being a
stimulus for the attempting
intellectual, but only at informing
social minority groups of their
competitive status and presenting
I will rephrase my statement;
This paper prints what is liked
to be read, not what is needed
to be read. Either there are
unseen powers controlling this
Alligator or traditional views
dismiss the stimulation needed for
entertainment. I ask; Is this
papers primary objective enter entertainment?
tainment? entertainment? Where can intellectual
stimulus be read and heard publicly
with an exchange of views? is
it to be limited to books and
classrooms? Am I correct in
assuming the intelle c t u a 1 im immaturity
maturity immaturity of this campus...and
its catering paper?
I am only an ignorant student
of life, awaiting stimulus (in the
exchange of free thinking indivi individuals
duals individuals views on various
penetrating subjects) in a
graveyard called the Alligator.
In all of the discussions of why
we should vote for the school
bond issue, it seems to me that
one very important point has been
Most people of intelligence
realize that for a nation to grow
and progress, we must have
adequate schools. And as the
population increases, certainly the
schools must increase. Therefore,
the only question is who is going
to build and control them. This
has always been the duty of the
smallest practical political sub subdivision;
division; subdivision; cities, counties, and, in
the case of universities, states.
If these smaller governments
dont fulfill their obligations, there
is always a bigger government
above that will. At present, the
federal octopus is trying to extend
its tentacles as far as possible
into the lives of individuals and
lesser governments. One of these
tentacles has already started to
ext-end-iftto-the-XoDiige building
business. If the states dont face
their responsibilities (along with
the rights that they proclaim so
loudly), the New Frontier is bound
to take over those responsibilities.

tioned above-mentioned Upperclassmen. You must
watch out for Freshmen men who
are not as stupid and naive as they
sometimes act. And you must be
careful of other Stetson women
who have not seen a man in such
a long time that they are confused
and may attack anything. Oh no,

In the end, the taxpayer is going
to pay for the buildings, no matter
who builds them. And the farther
the the more it gets
spent on red tape and the less
there is left to spend on buildings,
bo lets foil the octopus and keep
our money home and build our
own schools.
John R. Thayer
" sandier Hendry, lUC, in an Oct.
31 letter, restated exerpts from an
Oct. 23 letter by Henry Kramer
to make a weak, pettifogging point.
That is, Hendry quotes
Kramers tolerance today
paragraph (conveniently excluding
the vital parts).
But he totally disregards
Kramers statement that the
heathens will be struck by
lightning if they dont repent, and
says rather that Kramer hopes
they will be struck by lightning,
and is therefore not a Christian.
If Hendry thinks its
un-Christian to convert such
misguided souls as Young, et al,
he is indeed as ignorant (sorry,
Charlie, but thats your word)
as he claims.
Robert B. Trarily, 6AL

For the convenience of those Greek swho were not stble
to have their portraits taken previously fo,r the Seminole.
1:00 to 4:30 P.M., ROOM 200, FLORIDA UNION

Monday, Nov. 4, 1963 The Florida Alligator

its not easy to D# a Freshman
woman at Stetson University.
Its especially not easy to be one
at this time of the school year.
Grade inventories have just come
out and many people feel trapped
in the disaster area. While
radio-active fall-out is at a
minimum, hair fall-out covers the
campus. And wait until Mommy
and Daddy hear about you being
given special recognition on the
D list. Their money will not
fall out of their pockets so easily
anymore. Its no wonder that you
are upset and need the strong
masculine attention of an
interested male. You might even
settle for a Stetson Man. You really
must be hard up.
But dont make the mistake of
being led astray just because you
are upset. Many girls find escapes
in romance, dating, and the
attention that they get when they
are with a boy. This is a very
false kind of security and often
leads to disastrous results such
as marriage. And even if you
decide that this is an answer to
your problems, you may find that
it is not so easy to get a date
on campus. The story of Myrtle
Vinderwacky is a sad example
of this very serious problem.
Myrtle was a fine and somewhat
representative Stetson woman of a
few years back. She knew what it
was all about bui she thought she
could be boss of the situation. She
decided that she would date and
thus try to forge f the struggles and
hardships of University life.
Myrtle decided to find away to
get a date. She took up a position
in the Hatrack, sat all alone, and
waited for a Stetson man to join
her. She sat in that chair every
spare moment through October,
November, and December. Boys
came in and out but none ever sat
by Myrtle.
She did not get discouraged,
however. She got a telephone
directory of all the men on
campus and began calling them up
asking for a date. Os the 470
men that she called, 9 already

had dates, 16 were going steady
with girls in junior high school,
147 declined because they had to
study, 167 declined because their
personal beliefs did not allow
them to date persons of the
opposite sex, and 136 cried.
Did our girl Myrtle get
discouraged? Not on your fat
little head. Myrtle joined an
SG A committee that was founded
to promote social events for the
University. She planned big dances
and hired bands to play at them.
She sponsored all sorts of
activities designed to bring boys
and girls together. And the results
of Myrtle's work are evident in
every corner of our campus. Boys
and girls date by the dozens. The
figures released just last week
state that over 9% of the men and
11% of the women on campus dated
at least once each semester last
year. And over 60% of these people
dated Stetson men-a new record;
I have no doubt that Myrtle's
work will be furthered this year
to even greater heights. Also, her
work in the areas of proper
atmosphere and behavior on dates
will be observed. As Myrtle said
just before she left Stetson and
entered another Convent, At
Stetson University birth control
will never be as crucial a problem
as it is in China.
Even at this very moment these
very words ring true in our ears.
I Cl Day
I Wednesday,
I Nov. 6
I If you would I ike to
1 see the Cl integrate,
I please eat at the Cl
I on Wednesday.

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freshman Air Force Reserve Officers Training Corps
(ROTC) during drill periods last week.

Get 'lnside Look

Freshmen Air Force Reserve
Officer Training Corps (AFROTC)
cadets were given an inside look
at the Air Force Systems
Command and the Air Force way
of life during briefing sessions
held recently.
2nd Lt. Boris Orlowsky of the
6555 Aerospace Test Wing, Patrick
AFB, addressed the cadets on the
FU Looking
For Chairman
The Florida Union (FU) Forums
Committee is looking for a new
Applications for the post are
now being received in room 315
of the Union. Interviews for the
post will be held Wednesday, at
3:30 p.m.
The forums committee is
responsible for bringing speakers
and programs to the UF.Speakers
sponsored by the Forums Com Committee
mittee Committee thus far this trimester have
been author Pat Frank and
hypnotist mind reader Franz
Future events planned by the
Forums Committee are the debate,
Conservatism vs. Liberalism/
between Fulton Lewis m and
James A. Burkhart and a talk by
U. S. Sen. George Smathers, D-
The chairman of the committee
is responsible for the committees
operation and the planning of future
Advance ROTC
Forms Ready
Applications now arebeim
accepted for advanced cours*
Army Reserve Officer T r ai n i m
Corps(ROTC) cadets for the wintei
trimester, according to Col. jame
T. Hennessey, professor o
military science.
Qualified students entering th
Army ROTC advanced course
for the first time in the winter
trimester may be commissioned
second lieutenants as early as
August 1965.
Students with prior active
military service and students who
have completed any military ROTC
basic course, including those with
four years junior ROTC, are
eligible to enroll at this time, Col.
Hennessey said.
Qualified junior college transfer
students are encouraged to apply.
Further information may be
obtained by contacting Hennessey
at the ROTC Building.

operations of the Air Force
Systems Command, responsible
for providing the operational Air
Force Commands with the most
modern and powerful weapons for
United States defense.
Lt. Orlowsky, a graduate of
the AFROTC program, told of
procedures** encountered by the
cadet who chooses to receive his
commission through the programs.
When not traveling throughout
the Southeast speaking on behalf
of the USAF Systems Command
Junior Officers Speakers Bureau,
Orlowsky is a project officer on
the Tital 111 program at Patrick
The briefing was, according to
Lt. Orlowsky, another step in a
program to present ROTC cadets
with an idea of what to expect
should they decide to continue
in the Air Force.
Another briefing is scheduled
for Nov. 20-21.
Popenoe Talk
Set Tuesday
Dr. Hugh Popenoe, assistant
professor and director of the
Carribbean Research Program,
will present a program entitled
The Development of Tropical
Agriculture Tuesday at7 : 3op.m.
Room 210, McCarty Hall.
Interested persons may attend.
Dr. Popenoes talk will be
illustrated withkodachrome slides
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taken from various tropical
areas -- Africa, Latin America,
and Southeast Asia.
Dr. Popenoe has recently
returned from a trip to Kenya,
where he presented a paper at
a symposium on the Ecology of
Man in the Tropics. Following the
symposium he visited various
agricultural organizations in
Nigeria£ongo, Ghanna, Tanganyika
and Kenya.
Popenoe's talk will be to the
UF Soils and Agronomy Club.

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(through Wednesday, "Escape" stars Steve McQueen, James Garner and Richard
Attenborough. Depicting the escape attempts of World War II POWs, the movie
rates high on action, tension and humor.

--Except Reviewer, That is

[The Great Escapelncludes
Something For Everyone

| Movie Reviewer
I The Florida Theatre has a real
)x-office attraction through
Wednesday, which left this
viewer nevertheless with the
ost ambivalent of feelings.
I The Great Escape has some-
Biing for evervbody. Action
fcounds throughout the entire three
lours of this film. The tension
k skillfully developed. There is
I nice interweaving of humor.
I The acting isnt especially
loteworthy, save for Steve

Medical Specialists
o Present Reports

Four UF medical scientists will
ve papers this week at national
ssociation conferences in
olorado Springs, Chicago and
r ashington, D. C.
The four specialists in the
nmunology of parasitic diseases
e members of the faculty in the
Fs College of Medicine Dr.
ictor Arean, professor of
ithology; Dr. George W. Hunter,
I, lecturer in microbiology; Dr.
ichard b. Crandall, instructor in
licrobiology and Mrs. Catherine
Crandall, research associate in
Dr- Arean is now attending
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McQueens comic flair in the role
of Hiltz, but this doesnt matter
in a movie of this type.
The unfortunate thing about this
movie for all its technical polish,
is that it is a type movie
good, but still a type movie.
It is an excellent war adventure,
but so were . .River Quai
and Guns of Navaronne fine
pictures with the same kind of
appeal. For all its entertainment
value, this kind of movie doesnt
have the sustenance to merit
For those interested in an idea

pathologists in Colorado Springs,
and plans to join his colleagues
in Chicago Wednesday, where each
will present a research report at
the joint conference meetings of
the American Society of Tropical
Medicine and the American Society
of Parasitologists.
Enroute to Chicago, Dr. Hunter
will attend meetings of the Asso Association
ciation Association of Military Surgeons in
Washington, D. C..
Dr. Stanley E. Leland Jr.,
associate parisitologist in the UF
College of Agricultures
veterinary science department,
will represent his college at the
Chicago meetings.

of what they will see if they attend
this movie, the plot is relatively
simple, but yet ingenious.
The movie opens in a German
POW camp for specialists in
escape. The German commander
is quite shrewd and he is aware
of most of the standard tricks the
men use to get out of the camp.
Realizing this, the leaders of
the camp plan a massive break breakout.
out. breakout. The break-out is but a partial
The officers and enlistments
who escape are hunted down
throughout various sections of
Germany as the scene of action
moves toward the Swiss border.
The end is touched with triumph
and failure, mirth and sadness.
But then Hollywood takes over.
Besides the role of Hiltz, the
next most commendable feature
of this movie are the
preparations for the break-out.
One thing I havent said about
pictures of this sort is that they
could come very close to truly
fine cinema if only they werent
so involved in action and more
involved in character develop development
ment development this movie is full of
cliched personalities.
Though this review has been a
bit hard on this picture, it will
not be indicative of most peoples
sentiments. Most people want to
be entertained, not provoked. This
movie cannot help but entertain.
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UF Receives
$14,800 Grant

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The UF has received a $14,800
research grant from the National
Science Foundation for the study
of neutron detection techniques.
The grant provides financial
support for a period of one year
for two graduate students in the
nuclear engineer program in
addition to funds for equipment
and use of the UFs digital com computer.
puter. computer.
The in ves tig at ion will be
carried out in the Department of
Nuclear Engineering under the
direction of Dr. G. Ronald Dalton,
assistant professor of nuclear
Object of the research will be
to apply modern mathematical
techniques to the problem of
extracting useful information from
indirect experimental radiation
Techniques to be studied are
of particular interest to nuclear
engineers who are designing
nuclear reactors for use in the
Space Nuclear Auxiliary Power
(SNAP) program and to designers
of large nuclear generating plants
being built today.
The UFs digital computer will
be used to perform the complex
numerical calculations required
to reduce theory to engineering
Dr. Dalton has been active for
several years in the study of
radiation detection and has
published several articles on the

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Auburns Amazing Jimmy Sidle

'But Sidle Was The Story-Curci

Assistant Sports Editor
AUBURN, Ala. That Florida
defense was tough, dont kid
yourself, but that jimmy Sidle was
the story, concluded Miami Scout
Fran Curci.
The Miami head freshman coach
said Miami is worried about
Dont kid yourself, Curci
said, Larry Dupree can go, and
the Gators are better than they
looked against Auburn.
Sidle makes it look like hes
not being hit. Hes slippery and
made it look like Florida wasnt
Floridas fumbles, penalties
and field position hurt them on
offense. Not to take anything away
from Auburn, but they never really
got started, the former All-
America concluded.
FSUs Ken Mac Lean was there
to check out both teams as the
Seminoles will meet Auburn at
Auburn Nov. 23 and the following
week meet Florida at
UF Fieshmen
Hanieis Win
Floridas freshman cross
country team is unofficially the
state's junior college champions
after placing first against junior
colleges and the Pensacola Track
and Field club Saturday.
The varsity harriers meet
Auburn here this morning at 11
a.m. over the 4.35 mile Beta
Woods Course.
Dietter Gebhard, formerly of
Berlin, Germany, was the first
Baby Gator to finish. Terry
Losonsky, Don Hale and David
Wilson came in a group with
James Shalls not far behind.
The freshmen grabbed the third
through sixth spots overall and on
the basis of scoring the first
five men on each team, they had
the fewest points. In a cross crosscountry
country crosscountry meet the lowest score
Dick Cordier, of Pensacola
Junior College, ran the three-mile
course in 15:52.0 which established
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I was impressed with both
teams, Mac Lean said.
Floridas defense had trouble
with Sidle. He about summed up
the game. They bottled up Dupree
and the Gators fumbles and
penalties hurt them severely.
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the Gators little ground throughout the day.

Southeastern Conference Standings
Conference Games All Games
W L T Pet. PF PA W L T Pet. PF PA
x-Mississippi 4 0 0 1.000 116 17 5 0 1 .917 136 23
Auburn 4 0 0 1.000 85 53 6 0 0 1,000 134 67
Alabama 5 1 0 .833 142 42 5 1 0 .833 142 42
Louisiana St. 3 1 0 .750 52 50 5 2 0 .714 81 77
Georgia 2 1 0 .667 44 46 4 2 1 .643 116 102
Mississippi St. 2 11 .625 66 39 4 2 1 .643 139 56
Georgia Tech 3 2 0 .600 77 45 5 2 0 .714 133 52
FLORIDA 2 3 1 .417 40 57 3 3 1 .500 75 85
Kentucky 0 4 0 .000 41 90 2 5 0 .286 123 142
Tennessee 0 4 0 .000 26 88 2 4 0 .333 109 107
Vanderbilt 0 4 0 .000 13 89 0 6 0 .000 32 122
Tulane 0 4 0 .000 13 97 1 6 0 .143 33 135
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indicates. Theyve played some
real fine teams.
That Auburn defense just
wouldnt let Florida get moving.
They hit real hard. These two**
teams will probably be two of the
hardest-hitting clubs well face,
Mac Lean said.
Believe me were worried
about both games.
The Mississippi State university
scout, there to see Auburn in

preparation for next Saturdays
game between the two schools
thought Florida was a vastly
ImprQVffllearn since playing state
to a 9-9 tie in the seasons second
Floridas biggest fault was
inability to contain the flanks.
They gave too much ground to the
outside and Sidle took advantage
of it, he said.

Club Notes
Surfing club members will meet
at 7:30 tonight in room 206 of the
Florida Gymnasium. This will be
an organizational meeting.
The Swim Fins and Aqua Gators
meet tonight at 7 in room 201 of
the Florida Gymnasium. The
meeting is to plan for the spring
The intramural department is
reorganizing its table tennis club.
Interested persons may contact
intramural department in room

War Eagles Cook Gators'Goose ,19-0

[lonian Takes
M/in In Stride
1 Os The Gator Staff
I auburn, Ala. -- A relaxed
I and calm Auburn Head Coach Ralph
l(Shug) Jordan sat, legs crossed,
lon a green bench in the corner
|of the melee that was the Auburn
| dressing room, sipping on a king
I size soft drink and talking of his
teams king-size win moments
I earlier over Florida.
The picture of nonchalance and
calmness, Jordan was taking this
one in stride as opposed to the
frenzied War Eagle crowd of 47,
000, which moments earlier had
thundered in an ominous cannonade
throughout Cliff Hare Stadium,
"Were Number One, Were
Number One.
Whats one more victory for a
coach like Shug Jordan, a man
whos been used to the winning
habit in his 13 years at the Auburn
The victo r v was Jordans
ninety -third style in a long, pros prosperous
perous prosperous career that got under way
back in 1950 with a 24-14 opening
day victory over Vanderbilt
a forewarning of things to come.
It also marked the tenth time his
Auburn teams had beaten battered
Floridas Gators in 13 years of
Parenthetically,for Florida fans
at least, it left Auburn s record
of never having been defeated by
Florida at Cliff Hare Stadium
This was a big, one today,
he admitted to sportswriters, a
big, big, big one.
Perhaps he was recollecting
the Florida game of last fall,
when a nationally-ranked Auburn
team, unbeaten and conquerers of
mighty Georgia Tech, had roared
into Gainesville and then quietly
and sulkingly returned to War
Eagle Country bemoaning a sur surprise
prise surprise 22-3 licking by the Gators.
That seemed to trigger a
succession of misfortunes for
Jordan, as he saw his club post
a disastrous 1-3-1 stretch drive.
Saturday things were different.
The margin of victory was the
same: 19 points. Only the names
had been changed to protect the
innoocencethe innocent, naive
insistence of the Auburn student
body that their team was and is
Number One.
Jordan, dressed in a blue team
JAck-g-t,--r-e-m in is-e-tl- about the
I was very much surprised
We held Florida scoreless,
Jordan told reporters. We had a
great deal of respect for Dupree
an d Shannon. I thought they (the
tea m) contained Dupree and
Shannon about as well as you can
contain them.
We were not better offensively
ioda, than against Georgia Tech
"-just better defensively. It takes
both to win, you know, offense and
defense, he said showing his
surprise that the Tiger defense had
jailed during the game.
Jordan admitted he had been
somewhat worried before the game
as to the ability of the Auburn
defense, which had allowed all
opponents to score and all except
tln y Chattanooga to score freely.
Jordan said his club had been
working on defensing the halfback
for more than a week prior
t 0 Saturdays game.

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On Board Physically

Os The Gator Staff
They didnt look like a badly
beaten team as they trudged into
the dressing room, but they were.
In fact, Head Coach Ray Graves
said this was the worst beating
the UF had suffered since he took
over from Bob Woodruff in 1960.
The Gators had just lost their
second straight ballgame, 19-0,
at the hands of Auburn as a
frustrated Ray Graves stood in
the middle of a host of reporters.
He said it was not onlyabeating
scorewise, but a physical beating
as well. A great majority of the
plays found a Gator groveling on
the ground at its finish.
Graves tried to storm his way
through reporters after talking to
the players, but was pushed back
inside the locker room to answer a
few questions.
He 'ould only repeat what he

Monday, Nov. 4, 1963 The Florida Alligator

had been saying all week, Jimmy
Sidle was the best and most
consistent quarterback that
Florida has faced all year.
We didnt play a bad game,
Graves said. We were just
outplayed by a good Auburn team.

Sports Editor
Try Different
Grid Approach
Its been three weeks since the Gatorswin over Vanderbilt and eight
quarters since their last score.
Much has happened in the last three weeks to offset hopes for that
8-1-1 season, sixth ranking nationally and the Cotton Bowl bid to
play Texas that a lot of people wanted.
Since the Vanderbilt game Florida has gone from the hottest in
the Southeast to the coldest thing between the 20-yard line and the goal.
Something must be wrong.
Something is wrong and we are not so egocentric that we cant
see our own faults.
Most of the sports writers in the state overrated Florida at
the beginning of the season and underrated the opposition.
The fans carried away by the pre-season enthusiasm expected too
much from the Gators and maybe the players expected too much of
Some people think that college football is just professional football
with the monetary angle in the background. It may be true.
However, even if each player received $25,000 a year (which
he doesn't) they could not play any better than their abilities would
No player can say to himself, "This play Im going to take the ball
and run 60 yards for a touchdown for good old Florida, and do it.
He cant.
A play like that depends on being at the right place at the right
time and having perfect blocking. A team cant get fired up enough
to win just because theyre underdogs.
Weve been unfair to the team by making winning every game so
important. Weve taken a wrong view by thinking towards a 10-0
season with the idea of every loss hurts instead of every win helps.
Florida fans would be hard put to keep their sanity if the Gators
lost 10 in one season and Coach Graves would be hard put to keep his
Why then do some coaches keep their jobs after 30 straight losses
and why does a team like Tulane have enough spunk to beat South
Carolina after 17 straight losses?
Its because the 1 play to defeat the opponent in that particular
game and not because they have to win to keep an unblemished record.
Some schools are rated no more than 5.0 by the Dunkle System while
Florida has ranged in the 90's and still life goes on and people
support the team.
Its not that weve given up on the Gators, far from it. Weve
just changed oux approiich.
Were not going to demand or even expect the Gators to beat Georgia,
Miami or FSU. The only thing we can ask is that they play to the
best of their abilities.
The Gators may never beat teams like LSU or Auburn, but its
doubtful that a team that gives its all will ever be honestly upset.
Fans Who Cared
The Gators were well represented b*' a small but zealous group
of fans at Saturdays game. Even through the shouts of "War Eagle
by 47,000 plus Auburn fans, "Gator Bait came through loud and strong.
Shouts of Go Big Gators and "get that ball came from the group
even after several scoring attempts had failed. They, as well as those
who sent cards and telegrams, were reallv the fans who cared.
Jimrrjy Sidle gained more yards rushing against Florida Saturday
than the entire LSU team gained rushing in its 14-0 win over the Gators.
His total offense surpassed the average amount gained rushing and
passing by a Gator opponent.
Speaking of playing tough opponents. Its Homecoming at Mississippi
Saturday and they're playing host to the university of Tampa. Good
luck Tampa.
The Alligator has a big following at Auburn, according to Auburn
Sports Publicity Director Bill Beckwith.

Auburn's War Eagle

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