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Interviewer: Emily Ring

Interviewee: Martha Tison Boring
Date: April 30, 1982
Address: 106 SW 32nd Street
Gainesville, Florida

R: Martha will you tell me when your parents were born and where they were born?

B: My father was Gordon Belldon Tiscon, he was born December 31, 1875, died

October 27, 1966.

R: Where was he born?

B: He was born in, wait just a minute now, he was a second generation Floridian,

born in Providence, Bradford County, December 31, 1875.

R: Bradford County, Florida?
B: Bradford County, /# ,Ho_
B: Bradford County, 2 r, he's the son of William Orson and Martha Jane( Tison.

His father was born in Newlynnville too, it was then the county seat of Alachua

County and his mother is a Hamilton County, Georgia resident.

R: Does that make him kin to the Alachua County_ ?

B: Ah, no, yes, yes, yes, my grandmother Martha Jane and Dr. +he4d ns were first cousins.

R: I see.

B: There are no-Haodgcns in Gainesville that I know of now that we are related to.

R: fTTerr in Levy County?

B: No, I don't think so, um, her people are out of Georgia and Hamilton County and
County Georgia.

R: Now what was your mother's name before she married?

B: My mother's name was Cora +fIelH-Y-B- she was born January 13, 1879, died June
I rrevn( 0
30, 1977. She was born in Feemera, Indiana. She often laughed and said "under the
Af cur< Gaeu^Qier
shadow of ----darme --, ah, ah

R:

B: or '', perhaps I should say.

R: Now how are the Hydes related to the Pounds? The-Hydes-weFe-Ret-the-Pelat4eRs-ef

the-PeuRdss-4t-was-the-T4seRs.

B: The Hydes were not the relations of the Pounds, it was the Tisons.






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R: It was the Tisons?

B: My father Gordon and Lee Poundk, Mrs F. L. Pounds were sister and brother.

R: That would have been....

B: My....that...she was my father's oldest sister.

R: In other words C. Adison Pound$ was her nephew?

B: Was his nephew.

R: His nephew.

B: ah, yes

R: Well I knew that when you use to live near me you spoke of Miss Annie

Pound as your Aunt.
's
B: Well yes, she/a little older than I am and I ... in that time we were taught to
so
be very respectful of our even a few years elders, /they taught me to say Aunt Annie.

R: Yes,

B: But of course now many years have gone by and we are just Annie and Martha.

R: I see.

B: and good friends.

R: Well I recently did a very good Oral History of her,
's
B: Oh I bet, she/got a beautiful history, she's a beautiful person.

R: Now tell me about when you were born.

B: I was born in New York City.

R: Why?

B: Well, my father went to school at Baltimore Dental College, a graduate, and way

back in the 1800's there almost had to be a vacancy for new dentist and a dentist

died in New York City and his wife wanted to keep his office open and contacted

Baltimore Dental College for a senior, for a graduate, and they sent my father

and then he came back to Gainesville and picked up my mother, married, they were
and
married in 1898 and moved to New York /lived there about,.he was there about five






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years and then came back to Gainesville because of very poor health but he lived

to be 94.6(lvMcr

R: Yes he did, right. Lets go back to your mother's family the Hydes. Were they

Alachua County ...

B: No, no, no, they were Indiana.

R: That's right, Indiana.

B: Yes,

R: How did he happen to meet a Indiana girl?

B: Well S.i. oved to Florida because of my grandmother and he and Mr. E.J.Bared came,

a old time resident,4 came to Floridatogether and started a saw mill in High

Springs, well in Fairbanks first and then in High Springs and then they moved

to Gainesville, I don't remember exactly when a couple years later and E.J. Bared

.;went into Bared Hardware and my grandfather went into Hyde General Merchandising.

R: Was this store on the square?
B: 1' 'on the square on the corner, where Wilsons was for awhile.
t^--
R: Now where was the Hyde home?

B: a= rectly behind the store. Directly behind the store, whdrethe Episcopal Church
is now.

R: Oh, really.

B: Well it was in well that l4ttle-side street was not there, that little side street

wasn't there and it was where, behind the store, ah, across the street from the

temi-lFen Law Offices and right behind the Hyde store, I guess about 300 feet.:
now
R: Well/was the Episcopal Church not yet built?

B: Well it wasn't there no. I don't know whether there was one in Gainesville or

not but it was not built there yet.

R: Well there was a little one...

B: Yes, there was a smaller church but I'm not...

R: St. Augustine Mission, yes,




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B: Well I'n not to sure about that.

R: West, west of that area.

B: Well this is where, this is where the home was and where my mother was married.

R: Do you remember when the Hyde home was t-orned-down or the church was built?

B: No, no I have no idea,

R: No you would have been...

B: I was here but I don't remember years and I remember it being done of course but

years I don't know.

R: I see. Now your folks were all Presbyterian.

B: Yes my mother's people were Presbyterian, my father was a Baptist.

R: I see. Well did they compromise and go to one church at ...
and
B: Well they sort of switched aroundAmy mother was very lenient about going with him

because it seems harder for him to go with her, so she did frequently and I can:

remember many, many times that they would go to my mother's church in the morning

and my father's church at night.

R: Well,

B: And I for years went to the Baptist Sunday School in the morning and the

Presbyterian Sunday School in the afternoon.

R: Well you got, you got a heavy dose of

B: Yes heavy dose.

R: Well, now was the big Baptist Church built_ ?

B: No, no the Baptist Church was down on University Avenue way down I believe right,

I don't know how to tel You where it was, it was on the corner, caddy corner

across from the end of BadM Hardware.

R: I see.

B: It was the old church with the tower and the tower stood for many years after the

church was torn down.

R: Oh, yes yes I remember when it was torn down.






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B: Now Addison did that, Adison asked feo them to leave the tower just because it

meant so much to the older people in Gainesville.

R: Your speaking of Adison Town.

B: _

R: I just found out recently that his first name was/

B: / right, but he preferred C.A.

R. Now after they tore down that Baptist Church and left the tower, I believe it was

a restaurant for a while.

B: Yes, a Mrs. ran this. A lovely little spot.
enjoy having
R: Yes, a use to / haxe lunch there.

B: Yes s

R: Now going back to your birth which occurred in New York City.

B: Yes, June 18, 1899.

R: Well good for you.

B: I'm going to live into three centuries.

R: Of course you are.

B: I started in 18, I'm going thee 19, I'm going to make 20. ( w '"er-

R: I bet you are Martha because you have so much energy and you come from a long /j
B: Yes, yes come from a good family.

R: Your mother lived to what age?
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B: 98 and six months. -H' months she would have been 100 years old.

R: and-o ur father lived to what age?

B: '94t". ]/i up

R: Well you've got to make it to the next century, I'm sure, -VC> Well, I think

part of longevity is the enjoyment of life and you've always had such a gift

for this.

B: Oh, well I love people.
R: Yes.





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B: 'J I love places and I love things.

R: Right,
I
B:/ Particularly love animals.

R: Yes I know, I know and you 'iaie-your great grandchildren to

B: Oh, yes.R:Well, we're going to get to them little bit later. Lets see now Dr. Tison
Q\ /ATs,
and Mrs:. Tison, your parents, lived in a lovely framed house downtown 1-s9-r-aid--

Is it still standing.
B: No, no it was torn down, it was torn down.

R: What was the address?

B:

R. What street was it on?

B: It was on, of my goodness, one, two, three, four, I guess it's fourth or fifth.

It's fourth.

R: Fourth Street?

B: Yes,

R: Yes, well theresanothert 6 ,, rHeee ; xi~',

B: Well, t 1-s see it would be Fourth Avenuele Fourth Street, that's right.

R: Well, there is a old frame house'still existing on Fourth Street tut I was

confused, I was...

B: No, next, we were in from a corner. The corner home was Mrs. Robert-

R: Yes.

B: Ad then we came along on,"A Street, that was the name of my street.

Aradona Street, instead of Fourth, it is now F urth but it was than &AadAna and

next to me was Mrs. and next to them'/as a little path and then John
Chestnut, and then Mrs.,_ v B, i,/i ,-
Chestnut, and then Mrs., I believe it M.B but then I'm not that

sure either about that, she has been gone many, many, many years.
Well
R: /how these homes would have been...

B: Now the .__:r,_ home is still standing. The Chestnut home was just torn down

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R: For senior citizens?

B: For senior citizens.

R: Right.

B: But Mrs., place is still there. Faith is the granddaughter in-law

and owns the place and has kept it -plaee beautifully.

R: I see.

B: With all of the old furnishings.

R: Well it should be on the tour of historical...

B: Well, you just, 6Cikwould love to do it I'm sure, I'm sure she would.

R: In other words T the, we do have tours of the historic homes over in

but the homes in your family's area would be even older.

B: Well so many of them are down for business, you see we are close into the old

square and that was the old business district of Gainesville and most of them

are gone from there.

R: Now this is just west of the Florida Atlantic Bank isn't it. "Te 7 iO \'? ,

B: Well,no, it's um, my place was just west of the old

R: I see.

B: and behind what is now, was Firestone, I think it's closed now.

R: Is_ still in operation?

B: Yes, but in another location. ',

R: I see.

B: That was a Ford people, was a Ford people.
the
R: Now were your parents sort of on the edge offown at that time or was the town

had gone out.

B: Well, the old T&JRailroad about entered Gainesville when we first came, when

we first moved from New York, I was four years old. Well, I don't think quite

but near four years old.

R: Well did the T&J run on tracks that are presently going through Gainesville.

B: There's the old 9tpet I think is still there, but of course, that wasn't, it





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use to be, well, lett see the-d~ d Atlanta Coastline use to go right through

Gainesville, through the center of itand then this was the old T & J track,

Tampa-Jacksonville, I believe, and ae of it has been in use for a long, long

time.

R: I see. Well, so how long did you stay in New York after you were born?

B: About three, three and a half years.

R: Of course you don't remember that time.

B: No, I remember. I was born right where Grand Central Station is now, it was in

an apartment house.

R. ^trne,/i, +Aa 1

B: There was an apartment house and his office, my father's office, was down stairs

and we lived on, I don't know what floor.

R: Now you were an only child?

B: Yeah.

R: How did your mother feel about living in New York City.

B: Well I think she enjoyed it except that of course a child in those days was taken

carePI think mainly by the parents and of course I cut her down on a lot of things
I expect
/she would have like to have done....

R: Yes.

B: gut she loved New York. She did not ever like city life but she loved the
and
advantages of New York. The wonderful galleriesAmusicals and nice things.

R: Where has your mother gone to school?

B: She, well, they, she was brought to GainesvilleI don't know what year but let

me see, she was nine years old I think when they moved from Indiana to, well,

to High Springs firsthand then on here. She went to school down at the Margaret
7e k--- School.

R: Right, that's where Miss Annie Pound went.

B: Yeah and that's where I went all my life. I learned my ABCs there and graduated

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R: Did you really Martha?

B: Yes,

R: Well give us little, a few memories of what Miss Tebeau 's school was like.

B: Well, when I first, as I remember my early school days they were, there wasn't

to many, all girls in the school at that time and our classes would be like

ten and we gotlindividual attention with that. Lessons periods were 45 minutes

or a hour, as what it demanded. It was very flexible. We had lunch time, we

only had 45 minutes for our noon lunch. We were there for roll call at 8:00

in the morning and we left at 3:30 in the afternoon. So...

R: There were two teachers?

B: At that time there were two but before I finished there were three.

R: I see. Now can you give us their names?

B: I'Y I think so. Margaret Tebeau and that's T-E-B-E-A-U....

R: Right,

B: of course, and Miss Alice Thomas. Who by the way was, was related to Mrs. Saunders.
,was
Her brother married/Mrs. Saunders' second husband.

R: I see.

B: ao um, so that's a little connection there and then Dorothy Smith, who is

^ '" Smithwho is still living here in Gainesville, sister was the of-

a teacher at that time and followed by her was Mary Cannon, who is Annie Pound's

sister.

R: Well now did these teachers take special subjects? Each one have...

B: Oh, yes, Oh yes i-_ Oh yes.

R: What were the subjects taught?
Oh
B: /Well we got a very broad education in reading, writing and arithmetic.

R: Yes,

B: We, science was dealt with because to have a education of any kind you had to

have it but we did not have a laboratory, laboratory. We did not have that and

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R: I see,

B: in science.

R: Right.

B: But, of course, we got a lot of arithmetic, Miss Alice taught that. Miss Maggie

taught language. We had, well everyone had to have Latin as a foundation and

I hated rn with a vengeance and then I had three years of French and that was

Miss Maggie's all the reading, writing, spelling.

R: Yes.

B: All, was all under Miss Maggie and other teachers had the extra subjects as they

came in,Geography, and the, what ever science was taught.

R: I see. Well, now you went there until you were what age?

B: I was almost 19, I would, I believe it was the next day I would have been 19.

R: I didn't realized that they went that far.

B: Oh yes, she went into college courses but she was not recognized, I don't know

if she was recognized or not but it was not, her curriculum went from 1 through

12 but when they investigated for me for college, they found that her courses

went through and were accredited through 2 years of college.

R: So it would, so you went through what would be equivalent to junior college

today?

B: Yes.
I see.
R: /Well were you interested in any particular subject more than...

B: No not especially. I really have always liked arithmetic. I've always liked the

challenge of something like that.

R: Right.

B: I've enjoyed it and now I do love science, now but I had a very poor foundation

for science.
before
R: Yes, many of us do, we went to school fa girls were taught much science. Now...
L; s-fen
B: 44sten before I finished there were boys in the school.

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4U b quite
B: C ". There were boys in the school. Ah, not a great many but quite/a few.

R: I never realized that.

B: Yes,

R: How did they feel about going to school, well it had been a girl's school...

B: Yes, it had been a girl's school and, well they they they were boys that

I think the parents felt would like to have them have a private education in

some way.

R: I guess the public schools were not very good in those days?

B: Well, I think they were alright, yes I think they were good. I think they were

very good. I think our public schools are marvelous.

R: You do?

B: Yes I do.

B: I think if a child gets what offered to them in public school then they're fairly

well educated.

R: Yes. Well I'm sure we're better off than many parts of the country.

B: Oh I think so to, I think so to.
now
R: WelJ in the meantime while your going to the Tebeau School, your father was

practicing Beifisry..

B: Here,

R: A-t what location?

B: He had his first office here, was upstairs over what was then Miller's Drug Store and

since then it has been all kinds of people, I don't know but Dr._ had an

office in that building.

R: Was that, was that building

B:

R: Florida ?

B: No. Well he was there later but his first office was upstairs over the City Drug.
Do you, khov tl
$does that mean anything to you.

R: Yes,





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B: In the block right opposite the square, what use to be the square.

R: The north side of the square.

B: Yes.

R: Right.

B: And upstairs there Layton, a lawyer, was in an office there and there was a,

oh dear, there was a real estate or a surveyor, it was a surveyor that was in

an office up there, I don't remember and then my father's office and then Dr. Boring

moved into a medical office there, a doctor's office there and...

R: Was he your father-in-law?

B: Yes, and then he died and thke Dr. ; took his office.

R: Right. Well now eventually you married Richard Boring,the son of this Dr. Boring...

B: Yes.

R: andid they lived in Gainesville a long time.

B: No, they hadn't lived here. I had known 64 Richard's sister and I had visited

back and forth for years when I was a little girl and she was a little girl and

I knew...

R: Where did they live?

B: They lived in Waldo, he was a country doctor.

R: Oh, I see.

B: One of the kind that if he had a very sick patient he just took off his coat

and spent the night there, so he...

R: Wonderful.

B: Yes it is wonderful.

R: You had gone to Waldo to visit.

B: Oh many times and (W6- had been with me many times, and we grew L..

R: Well how much older$" ?Y_____

B: Then, then...

R: Were you about the same age?


Richard was going on two years older than I am.





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R: I see.

B: About a year and a half.

R: And what is the date of your marriage to Richard Boring?

B: November 17, 1921.

R: pTvct4-o v

B: Ie. V-h-
Show
R: Well you should have seen the Fashion/at the Thomas Center the other day, the

1920's fashions.

B: Yes.

R: They had quite a collection.

B: Yeah.

R: Well tell me did you have a long courtship and engagement?

B: Well no, Richard and I just xwexhadxxxx

R: You had known him since ____--, ,;o h/ i-SC
A^ Ftrromw 0 hl-nm
B: We had known,yeah, we know rhimn since he was a Hittle buy (le b ,

R: Oh

B: I was a little girl but we 44d- never go together until maybe six months
before we were married.

R: Where did he go to school?

B: He went to school, of course, in Waldo, as they lived there. Then University

of Florida, then he was in the service and in the Navy and when he came back

we went together, started going together and we were married in November, 21.

R: And when was your first daughter born, Betty.

B: -227 TIOeC'y'A -

R: Betty was born in .2-" ;/-,,0 ,

B: -Yes. She/lsix years older than Jane and then.

R: Would have been born in 28..

B: Lets see, Jane was born in 29. No she was born in 29.

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B: The last of-2- and the middle of-29-
Now
R:/Tell us who Betty married.

B: Betty married Mitchell George Emanuel and she has two children...

R: Yes,

B: George Mitchell Emanuel.

R: How old -

B: He is, um, wait a minute let me see I have to look that up, 4 was born in 1944,

September 8, 1944.

R: -yes./A ti

B: -awdthen Martha Alexandria, her daughter, Emanuel, was born November 24, 1946.

R: And they all live down ...

B: In Tampa.

R: In Tampa.

B: They are Tampa.

R: Well now were the Emanuels a greek family?

B: Yes.

R: Yes
di {chell-5
B: From Tarpon Springs. : mother and father lived in Tarpon Springs on Grand Ave.

R: Now then who did Jane marry?:
ne e- ~arr- c
B:-- toward Landdoff Corrull C-0-R-R-U-L-L, and they were divorced, I don't remember

what year, it's in the 20's back from now. She has two daughters, let me give you

that, that's Josie Elizabeth was born in 1951, July 4th, firecracker, and Diana

Gordon, who was named for my father that Gordon part, was born December 14, 1952,

44e~ was born in August 12, 1957.

R: Now how many of your grandchildren are married?

B: Well all but Martha and we call her Pie because when she was first, the minute

she was born her daddy wanted to see her, Dr. Thomas, our beloved Dr. Thomas,

Brought her out of the delivery room and handed her to Mitch and he said "you'll

have to call her sweety pie."





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R: Ahh. Yes.

B: So she has been Pie all these years and she is the only one who is not married.
R: I See.
She's a Delta Airline attendant/and has been for eleven years. Before that she

worked in a bank, and in a travel agencyand I don't knowand decided She would

take to the air.

R: Well now is she the eldest girl.
R: No.
B: No, she is,/Mike is the oldest one.

R: Mike is the oldest. Yes.

B: Yes Mike is the oldest one. Mike is interesting enough, is now in/is managing
Cam y mn
in Little one of the resort hotels down there. It's a itisxxa tiny
iste a _ __ an
thereAa Grand Clayn/ and than ____ and than Little^ y and he's the

last one. The little strip, it is only I think about 5 or 6 miles wide and is,

I have not been, but the pictures I seen are just precious, they're j+4A beautiful.

R: Is that off the shore?

B: It's down below Cuba, way on down below Cuba.

R: Oh, below Cuba.

B: Yes., It's in that little string.

R: that's a interesting...

B: It is interesting...!

R: fave you been down?

B: And he loves it. No I haven't been and he is married to Donna Williams and

he has one son.

R: Your great grandson?

B: My great grandson, my oldest great grandson.

R: How many great grands to you have?

B: Lets see. I have who is Mike's son, then Diana had twin boys and she

lost one at just a year old but is a big fine boy, the one that/st left and

then Beth has a boy and a girl, Jacob and Amy Jane, just three weeks old, will

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R: I see.

B: /nd He+en is married, at two Jane's youngest and she has no children.

R: I see.

B: She is in the Library at the University.

R: Oh, how nice to have her close.

B: Yes, great.

R: Well your very rich in grandchildren,great grandchildren.

B: Oh I am, yes.

R: Well Martha when did you lose your husband?

B: Ah, New Years Day, what year, he's been gone, he's been, 38.

R: 1938?

B: 1938. I always have to etuoty back.

R: He was in the Navy?

B: Yes,but of course, after that service period he was back in Gainesville and in the

lumber business with Bob Hamilton. Maybe you might remember him, and then they

sold and each one went their own way and he had the General Electric agency here

for three counties but he died at 39 years old.

R: Of a heart attack?

B: He had, yes, coronary.

R: My goodness. Well probably in these days he could have been saved...

B: Could have been saved, I feel sure, I feel sure.

R: Right. Had he any warning of it.

B: He knew that he had slightly high blood pressure but outside of that he was keeping

up with it, I mean we were very conscious that we must be careful, things must be

right but it wasn't that high at all, it was totally...

R: In what location, what house were you living at that time.
in Arcto;c(.
B: We were living at/the A'e4tefa Street house.

R: And your father and Mother

B: Yes.





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R: 4nd you continued to live with your father and mother after he died and the

two girls.

B: Yes.

R: And then you all moved acrossAstreet from me.

B: Yes, right, that's right.

R:

B: On, what was it, north 19th.

R: 19th and 7th Avenue.

B: That's right.

R: But in those days they were called different names.

B: Oh I know they were,

R: Was 7th Avenue called ?

B: What-o-Geor

R: Yes, because your father owned all that property.

B: Yes, he brought that from Dr L- 4

R: /And on the tax records it called Westside Place.

B: That's right.

R: And he built the big brickhbuse on the corner

at what year, 1940 or 39?

B: I think it was 39.

R: It was the same year we built our house.

B: That was 39 wasn't it.

R: No we built in the summer of 1940.

B: 1940.

R: Didn't we build the same summer or you built a little earlier.

B: I think we were there.

R: Yes.

B: I think it was 39, I believe it was 39, yes, I think it was.

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B: And we moved into it in cold weather, so it must have been 39.

R: Right. Well, we started in the summer 1940 and moved in the following springs

srnTd who was your contractor?

B: Hartman.

R: Hartman. Yes.

B: Old time folks, and I still use young Mr. Hartman, he is the nicest person

to me, I don't care what's wrong in this little shack, he comes and fixes it for

me.

R: Well good. Well Mr. was our contractor, he's the one who built the

Community Center downtown.

B: Yes,

R: He was a good contractor.

B: Oh yes.

R: I don't remember who built the school. The school was built in 38 or 39.

B: The school was....

R: The Finnley School?

B: Yes. I don't remember who built that either. Oh I think I do,,I think it was

Winston, Winston and he had a partner, I don't...

R: But the school had just opened?

B: Yes, oh yes.

R: Well now, was that one reason that your father built that so the girls could

go to school.

B: No, no, no, we didn't have, no the girls were over that age.

R: They were older?

B: They were over that age. Yes.

R: -ad they were to GSH '?

B: +&eft to GSH and both to-USFand Betty finished there but Jane finished here at the

University of Florida.

R: I see. What did she major in Education?
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B: Yes,

R: And she has always been a teacher.

B: Yes,

R: Right. Has Betty had a job or does she just ...

B: No, Betty is at home.

R: I see.

B: But right now she is chairman of the Volunteers for Redcross I

tell you, for Hillsborough County, and I tell you it really takes the time.

(Telephone rings)

Excuse me just a minute. The university was not co-ed when Betty was in college.

R: So you couldn't send your daughters to the university.

B: Well Jane came back to the University of Florida.

R: She did.

B: Yes and graduated from the University of Florida.

R: I see. I remember the university wasmade co-educational after the aqd World War.

B: Yes. This is trueA

R: Right. Well what did Betty major in?

B: She, just 0- B.A.
MfIvnyw
R: I see. So she has always been a emom and a housewife and a volunteer community

worker.

B: Yes,

R: And she has charge of the Redcross Volunteers.

B: For that county. For Hillsborough.

R: For Hillsborough County, well that's a big job.
It's a -4je -er'C4- jc b.
B: 4@P44e/

R: Yes indeed, yes indeed.

B: bt it's volunteer.

R: Right.

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R: Now you have always been very active in Garden Club work.

B: Well I've loved itI'm not that active I just sit around and tell other people

what to do.

R: Do you still ?

B: No, no.

R: I remember you taught me how to ...

B: Well, yes.

R: And you have the most beautiful garden when you lived across the street from me.

B: Well, well, I was younger than.

R: Yes

B: I could spend more hours than it was out hurting.
right,
R: Yes, thathldo you have some arthritis?

B: No, no I don't have a sAa~.le thing in the world that I know of that's wrong with me.

R: How lucky.

B: Isn't it wonderful.

R: Yes, right. You never have to go to doctors.

B: No I'm not going into that because I'm not a good doctor.

R: Your not a good patient?

B: No, I just don't go,

R: You don't go to doctors at all Martha?

B: Oh, I just think we better leave that off.

R: Alright, OK. Your not a Christian Scientist?

B: No, no, no, no, if I hurt, if I hurt I would be the first one there.

R: Well you just, you just want to

B: I just, no, I just feel like as long as I'm as strong and well as I am and can do

the things that I can do, I don't want to complicate it by getting someone else's

viewpoint.

R: Well Medicare doesn't waste any money on you, do they?

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long before that.
now
R: Yes indeed. Well/how old are you now?

B: 82 be 83.

R: You have a good voice, it's coming over well. (tape fades at different places)

B: I don't know.

R: What?

B: ..... earlier shouldn't_

R: You should get some kind of prize.

B: Something. I

R: Because it sure ee'tj.he Federal Government o-w"hatevee-a lot of money now.
it's
B: Oh, /awful.

R: Yes, just awful.

B: Frightful, frightful.

R: Well, I so much enjoyed being a neighbor of you folks when you lived across, in

big, beautiful brickhouse.

B: Oh, that's nice.

R: n the big, beautiful brickhouse.

B: Well, we loved you and Bruce was our morning ceal-tfTg. He would come in and Pop would

be eating his breakfast and Pop would say "Sit down Bruce and have some breakfast

with me," and Bruce would sit down and have some breakfast.

R: Oh, how nice.

B:'.Bet you didn't even know it.

R: No I didn't know that.

B: Well that's alright, we've always got a little boy somewhere in the neighbor, since

we've moved out here there is a little boy next door to me that I said I was on

his gumdrop route. He would come to me and say, "I need a gumdrop,"...

R: Yes.

B: $nd he would go over to Norma Campbell and say "I need gumdrop," so we laughed,

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R: Well your house across the street was a fascinating place because your Dad had that

big cage full of quails.
(break in tape)
B: Quails, yes, he loved raising his quails./ He found out, are you on,, e found out,

he found out that he could by looking way all through the ~eesntr-iTde he would

find maybe a tiny, little hen because theyxY-efarr-nt-. would be~ismaller and

lighter and he would set his quail eggs under the., hen...
R: I remember. ,

B: And the hen, of course, not knowing any,.that there was any problem in the

world would teach the babies to be very, very, very gentle. The little chicks

never knew to be wild because they had this very tamed mother and she would

bring them up as a little group to eat and she kept, stayed with them and she
if,
was a little bit bigger/and stronger, if a cat or something would attack one of

the babies, you see, she was a)ittle bit better able to defend her family.

R: Right.
in
B: So he loved doing this and I can remembey very dry weather, dry weather is hard

for any kind of bird egg because the shell is so thin and they dry out easily,

the inside dries out and a ot of the little chicks donit hatch, so I can remember

every evening,late in the evening bringing in little clutch of eggs and running,

just rolling them gently in a little saucer of warm water and putting them back

in the nest and the little hen hop back on the nest. So we felt like we didn't lose

very many of our little bird children.

R: Right and then you had a parrot in your household.

B: Oh, yeah, Polly was a member of the household.

R: Tell us about Polly.

B: Polly came to us through a member of the family that was losing eyesight and felt

that could not take care of a pet anymore and my mother was a gentle kind of easy

person, that will (wait a minute it's going to get louder because they're coming

down this way break in tape)

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B: Yes, Polly, well Polly had quite a place in our home. She stayed most of the time
her m
ina cage because we could not my mother, she hated me, my mother could not

let her out because she would go around and notched all the rugs or anything she

could put a big hole through...

R: Right.

B: 6nd furniture. We still have furniture that Polly decorated for us. FJT or l6

R: and every once in a while she would get out....

B: She would get out.

R: And she would go to the top of our tallest pine tree...

B: That's right.

R: Ad sit there very stubbornly and you would have to get the firetruck to come...

B: Get her down.

R: Vith the ladder to get her down.

B: Scare her down, then...
But
R:~Athe children in the neighbor loved that, it was great excitement for them.

B: Oh, yes, of course it was/and she talked afittle bit, I think if we'd or anyone

who cared, had had her in her very early days when she was just a young girl, why,

I believe that she could have been taught 4lot of things.

R: Yes.

B: She sang a couple of songsethey were mainly Negro Spiritual. One was "It Ain't

Going Rain No More", and the other one was "Jesus Loves Me"...

R: She did?

B: And she sang them to the tune.

R: Yes, I remember that.

B: She sang them to the tune.

R: Yes.

B: And the minute the first drop of rain fell she would start on "It Ain't Going Rain

No More". She then as my mother grew less able to take care of her and we couldn't

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and a cousin of mine, a niece oforome, Martha Dell, who was Uncle Mason's youngest

child wanted her, she lives down Western Way, down at, out of Ft. Lauderdale and

she took Polly. She has two boys and she took Polly down there and gave her the

run of a very big place. She has a nursery and,of course, she has allot of water

going all the time and things. Polly loves her bath, she gets out and takes her

bath.

R: You mean Polly is still living?

B: Polly is still living.

R: How old would she be? No-body knows?

B: Well when she went to Dell we figured that she was about 66 or 67 years old then.

Now there little time from the time she was hatched until this other person

got her that we don't know the length of time in there but we figure this as best

we could, so, by now sheSa good 75 years old. She rides the handle bars of a little

motorcycle, a little motorped or whatever you call that thing, she rides on the

handle bars.

R: We'lshe's living a good life.

B: Oh, yeah.

R: Well Martha I'm amazed that you lived in this home by yourself and you don't, you've

never been robbed.

B: Yes I was robbed, a year ago last February but I was lucky,like I always am.

R: Well, you did have security locks didn't you?

B: Yes.

R: How did they get in?

B: They cut the chain on one door and reached and undid that. This happened to be a

S l_____ door however.

R: Yes.

B: Which mae not the safest in the world.

R: There're not very secure.

B: No, I know and, but anyhow they, they came around on the otherside and undid that





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one and then they came in out of the church. It was Sunday morning...

R: Yes.

B: And so when I came home I went back into my bedroom to go off something that I

did not want to cook in and so when I took my little neckchain off that, it

was all over my dresser, just dumped.

R: Did they take valuables?

B: Yes. Well they took some of my grandmother's things that were very hard for me

to get because they were my mctIer's mother things...

R: Ah, to bad.

B: And some very, a few really beautiful pieces of antique jewelry that broke my

heart.

R: Yes.

B: But my silver was put away in a I thought a very safe place which had proved to
OnyhoI,-
be, so the next day I took it to the bank, but/what's the use of having it if itj?

in the bank.

R: Well that's the :way we feel.

B: I know it.

R: Knowbody is able to use it anymore.

B: That's right.

R: It's all hiden away or in the bank.
then
E: That's right, that's exactly it. So,well anyhow and/they took a few, a few pieces

of more modern that were really I guess in dollar value more valuable but not,

but I hated to lose the old pieces.

R: Yes, right. Well, I keep mine hiden away but they'll probably find it some day,
I mean,
S/I mean my old jewelry.

B: Well, yes, please do. I live alone, I don't believe that just somebody in the

house would be satisfactory and I feel like that I'm selfish now at 82, I like

to do what I want to do.

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B: Yes.

R: Now Jane lives quite close,

B: Jane lives one house, just one house between us, and she!right on call anytime

after she gets home from teaching school.

R: Right and your close to your neighbors.

B: Oh yes. I'm very fond of all of them, they're so good to me.

R: This subdivision is called I"- a-ckaeee"l isn't it?

B: This is ,'$ckcrsee'". ''alc CUCr-S.

R: Right.

B: /nd we are a Crime Watch subdivision...

R: Yes.

B: In here which really (end of tape)

R: ....(beginning of tape) Church which wasclose to town on West University...

B: Oh yes.

R: and the window was saved and somebody used that window. What was her name?
fn a ph c-
B: I think part of it went to the/ Presbyterian Church. Now the big
I have
Rose window,if that's what you're talking about, I have/asked many questions about

it and have gotten very few satisfactory answers. I do not know where that big

gorgeous Rose window is.

R: Well, well I remember, I do think I know now. The lady who was very blonde, plump,

and pretty and was a wonderful singer, took that church down to a little to a...

B: Are you talking about Mable Gardener?

R: Yes. Didn't she take that window down there and put it...

B: I don't know.

R: Yes, she did and she put it in a little church down there near the lake.

B: Well.

R: Lake Santa Fe?

B: I don't know. She lived in Hawthorne.

R: Yes that's right. She took it down there near Hawthorne and gave it to a little





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church down there and it's still there I think if you'd like to see it.

B: Well, I didn't know that.

R: Yes. I'm, I'm going to check up on that because I've visited a...

B: Well, it was a tremendous...

R: I visited her once because her daughter is a close friend of my daughter.

B: Oh yes,

R: is a close friend of ...

B: Um.

R: /dnd we visited her in her home down there near Hawthorne and she told us about that

window..

B: Oh well I did not know this. Mable is now living in New York City,

and she has done some television commericals.

R: Has she really?

B: Yes, recently, I mean ...

R: Charming person.

B: precious, wonderful, person,
was
R: Yes. Well I must tell anyway she/going to live in a retirement home near

because....

B: Yes, she did, she did for awhile and then moved, that's see now, in her

young days was Jeanie up atWhite Springs.

R: Jeanie of the...

B: Jeanie of the light brown hair.
Suiunenee
R: of the light brown hair. She was, she was the Swainnee River Queen wasn't she.

B: Yes.

R: Yes, of High Springs, and then she married a young minister...

B: Yes.

R: ,nd went to live in Kentucky and had a big church there and so Mable was going to

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R: Well I wonder how she happened to go to New York instead.

B: Well I don't know unless...

R: Maybe shesin a retirement home up there, maybe he went to New York, that was it

the son-in-law, the preacher.

B: Probably.

R: Probably got a church in New York City.
really
B: I/don't know.

R: I think that was it.

B: But I don't know but I know that she had this chance and was going to do the vocal

part for I believe, a short series of commericals.

R: Well now, Mable Gardener was in the choir at the church wasn't she?

B: Yes, she and(I sang next to each other for 50 years now.

R: You were in the choir to?

B: Yes.

R: Well, how long were you in the choir?

B: 50 years.

R: So it hasn't been very long, are you still in it?

B: No, no, no, no. I sang in the choir when I was 15 because the church was so small,

they had so few people that were willing to give choir practice in the time

and devote that little time to the choir, so I went in as a very young person and

stayed until I was 65.

R: Well now did you sing alto or soprano?

B: Soprano. Mable and I sang next to each other all those years.

R: Well, so you were very close to Preacher Gardener?

B: Oh, we all loved Preacher Gardener, he very,,and you know that they are having

a memorial service for him this coming Saturdy night and Dr. Perry Foot and

Dr. Lester Hail have written a book calling it "The Mischievous Saint" which

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R: Yes.

B: And this book will also be on, I think it's off of the press and I don't know

when they will sell it but it's some thing that I have to add to my shelf.

R: Oh yes, well I'll have to get a copy.

B: Right.

R: So that's going to be this coming Sunday night.

B: Yes at the Presbyterian Church.

R: I must be there.

B: 7:30.

R: Yes. Well I'll have to usher at Holy Trinity. Once a year they let ladies usher...

B: How nice.

R: at !the United

B: Oh yes. Well, well that's nice.

R: So we do have women priestsin our church, and now the Presbyterian Church also

has women members...

B: Oh yes, yes.

R: I think....

B: We have one in our church right now, Boyd. We have three wonderful people

that fill our P0p' .l

R: Tell us who they are.

B: Rick D is our Assistant Pastor, Dr. Ross McKenzie is our Preacher and

Pastor and he is delightful, from Scotland, has a --t~iia of a accent that keeps you

on your toes, you want to hear what's next...

R: Yes,

B: And the very dedicated young women, Boyd.

R: Is she in charge of the educational ?

B: Yes.

R: Yes.

B: We feel that the church just really going to do things because of these three people.


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R: Right.
he had
B: We lost Dr. Gordon, of course. Well we lost him first to his age before/he was

forced to retire, before he was ill and we had Lesley Tucker, who was just as
nearly
dear to so many, many people most patient and sympathetic person I haxe/ever

-et in my life, and he took a church that would, he had very poor health and

went into a church up, right out of Richmond/that was a much smaller church

with ia congregation of about 400 or 500...

R: I see. +Aen ,3h

B: Because of his health and a&twhen the church called Dr. McKenzie...

R: I see.

B: And Peg Buckly and I planted the grounds on the church.

R: Yes.

B: We were the Grounds Committee for years and years and we feel very proud of it.

It's a, we think, I think, a beautiful church.

R: It is a beautiful church and so many people have enjoyed their little chapel

there.

B: Oh yes.

R: Chapel.
Oh yes. 's
B: The /That was preacher/little heaven was when he could get back

into and our original church furniture that is gorgeous is in the

chapel, and the big church went with heavier, bigger pieces.

R: And of course you are very, very fortunate in having Mr. Willis ...

B: Oh yes, he's Music Director.

R: Music Director because he's very special.

B: Well we have four little choirs. Well the Senior Choir and,I don't know the names

of the three smaller. ones a high school group, one's a elementary group, and one

is a children's little choir, little chorus- and we just love those. We right now

Wetre charmed every time -eer, Richard Jackson, sings for us.which is frequent

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R: And he teaches at the university.

B: He teaches at the university and he has one of the smaller choir-. I think/the

high school group, I'm not real sure.

R: I see.

B: I think it's the high school group.

R: Well I enjoyed the recital recently given in your church by the Coventry Choir

of...

B: Oh yes.

R: Coventry Cathedral, England and the boys singing there with the men.

B: That's right, that's right.

R: That was lovely, very lovely. Well, do you put on dramatic productions in your

church like we do at Holy Trinity.

B: Well, I think they try to have a Christmas pageant but not, not to many, not

to many or to often. We have a great deal of music in our-heuse...

R: Yes you do.

B: I mean outside choirs come, by invitation, come in and than our choir and our

Christmas and Easter and the high days and holiday music is lovely because it's

got that perfect direction.

R: Well I think what keeps you going,Martha, is that you are so interested in your

Church, and in your garden and in your children, grandchildren and great grand-

children and you are living so near some of them.
just like
B: Well, it's a wonderful, I really and truely have/been like everybody. There have

been a\lot of bad days and there have been tears but when I look at my over all

life it has been tremendously guided and I just am happy with it. I feel like

if I dropped out of the picture that I could not have a single complaint bat to

Saint Peter.

R: Well and when I think that you were the one who nursed your father and mother

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R: ou kept your mother in this house, in this very house, until she was 98...

B: And him too.

R: And your father too. Well, that was a real labor of love.and,

B: But that, that, well it was because I did enjoy them. I enjoy doing for them.

R: Well wouldn't you think that most older people before they die have to, not

most of them but some of them,have to go to nursing homes.

B: Oh yes.

R: because I understand from the sociological

statistics, that most older people do not die in nursing homes or in the hospital.

They do die at home.
the
B: At home. I think, I think that more and more, I don't know whether/nursing homes
rp r ,. ihI'I, w
have gotten SOr<4bc; with their tremendous expense or I like to think that

people want their folks as long as they can have them.

R: Why of course they do.

B: /Ad I think that is true.
v.r e- of
R: But +he-r not all that fortunate. Well/the nursing homesit seems to us, who made

a survey recently in the six counties around Gainesville, the retired teachers

made a study of the nursing homes and convalescent homes and we found very few
really +oC
that anybodylwould/want to go into, so it, it's really +e bad that Gainesville

does not have a really good nursing home. Now I understand that Alachua Hospital

is planning one.

B: I understood that too. I just heard that

R: /nd hopes it going to be a good one, right.

B: Well I do to.

R: Martha I want to thank you so much for giving us this time...

B: Oh my goodness.

R: 4nd I hope that you great grandchildren will enjoy having this

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B: Oh yes, I know they will, I just know they will. This is not for record I just
4- h ere 's
thought that maybe you/your owrself. Now this, this is a year ago but ee-is

my little family. You don't have to keep that on, on your...

R: Oh, well I just want to say that this is a picture of Martha's family that is
and
just charming, /it was taken out here in the yard?

B: No, this was taken down in Leesburg at Diana's home. This girl right here, this

is Diana, this is Pie, this is Mitch, this is Betty, Mitch and Pie. That, that's

a little unit right there. Mike is not here. This is Diana and her son, she

has another son now but, and her son and her husband John. Of course here I am

in the middle, you know I claim the whole thing. If it wasn't for me they wouldn't

be there.

R: That's right.

B: This is Jane, my second daughter.

R: That's a darling picture of Jane.

B: Isn't that sweet and her, this is Beth and now this is her baby a year ago, now

she has another baby now and this is her husband, Bill Freedman. This is H een

and her husband, John

R: Well that's a marvelous, marvelous looking family.

B: Aren't they sweet.

R: It's so good of you Martha and of Betty and Jane.

B: Yes, Betty and Jane.

R: You'll have those pretty smiles on your face. so nice to see

this. Thank you.




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