Title: Mrs. Margaret Boutelle
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Publication Date: April 17, 1975
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I'm just going to say a couple of things that introduce the tape, and that is

that you're having today an informal conversation with Mrs. Margaret Boutelle

here in Mandarin, Florida,,and today's date is April 17, 1975. We've had a

good discussion thus far, and hopefully we can and can have some more fine

conversation here with Mrs. Boutelle.

F: Could you recount the specifics of your birth? Where you were born, the

date, and the locale, whatever, of your birth?

B: Yes. I was born near Statesville, North Carolina.

F: Okay.

B: On December 3, 18 --wait a minute--1883 I believe it would be to give

me ninety-two now.

F: Yes, 1883. In December of 1883?

B: Yeah.

F: And where about is Statesville, North Carolina?

B: Well, it is, uh, near Charlotte.

F: Near Charlotte?

B: Yeah.

F: Were you born in--on your home--in a home there--your home?

B: At my grandfather's home.

F: Your grandfather's home. Had your family been living in North Carolina

for many generations or when did they first come to this country? Do

you recall?

B: Uh, well, there was a--there's a--well, I'm trying to think of several

lines in South Carolina and then when my mother's people, yes, but

they're strictly 7 3 --North Carolina people. I think they've been

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B: from over until, well, they came over i, uh, and
T\ 9 $ q
S-t-= }and then came down to Virginia and there on to

south parts of Carolina. And they were in the battle of King Mountain.

And I know that.

F: Uh huh.

B: I don't know--remember what year that was.

F: Oh, I see.

B: It was way-in the revolution era.

F: Yes.

B: In the Revolutionary War, you see. And uh--

F: So you were born in your grandfather's home?

B: Yeah.

F: What did your grandfather do? Was he a farmer or a planter or something?

B: Yes, he was a planter. Well, he was considered the most forward-looking

man in the writeup of the history of that town. Uh, of that section you

know, and-

F: What was his name?
: James Pikney White.
B: James Pinkney White.
F: James Pinkney White?

B: Yeah.

F: So your maiden name is White?

B: Margaret Presley White.

F: Margaret Presley White. Where-did the Presley come from? The name--

B: It's a South Carolina name.

F: Uh huh.

B: And it is, uh, e( -$ L. Z-J

and I have that ancestry far back. And Pressly is spelled P-r-e-s-s-l-y.

Not like Elvis.
F: Not like Elvis?

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B: Although, uh, Mary Martin.

F: Uh huh.

B: The actress.

F: Yes.

B: Is a connection way back and they went to--her father went to Texas.

And uh, someone asked her not to long ago, that whether or if she

was related to Elvis or not. She says, no--I don't know whether we

are or not. We might be and we might not be. And uh==

F: So there's a chance and--

B: I don't know.
3 f: 6, c ter e,% r* c-e
F: A~ r-ight then. What about your father? What did your father do?

B: Why, my father was doctor.

F: Was a doctor?

B: William Moore White.

F: William Moore White. Where was he trained?
B: At Atlanta College of Physicians and then Atlanta, uh, at Em/ry. He
was given the diploma later/because he was earlier, but uh, Empry gave
him the diploma, but he had taken many some/different courses--three

courses, uh, three-hour--I mean--three weeks courses in different.

in Johns Hopkins and Pennsylvania.

F: Uh huh. He was practicing medicine in North Carolina when you were born?

B: No, he definitely studied that a little later.

F: I see.

B: Then gave up the farming and _______

F: I see.

B: With my father-with his father.

F: I see. So when you were born your father was working on the farm with

his father?

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B: Yeah.

F: He was not trained as a physician yet?

B: Not then, no.

F: Not at that time.

B: He took it up later.
F: I see. What about your mother? She was a homemaker also or--

B: Well, you see, my father was born in '61 just iThen the war

was breaking out--the Ur itween the states .

F: Yes..

B: And uh, my m other wa born in '62, and uh, they went on 'til what they

called acade~-eny.nd, you know.

F: Yes.

B: ANd uh, then uh, they uh, -my uh, brother went--I'm the oldest and

then my brother after me, and he went--over to Dr. Burke's pj0 Vdt sCA ol

for boys there, and I went to the public school then later, of

course, I went to college when I was out of high school. We uh,

which well it wasn't as high then as it is now X A I a a .

Uh, I went to what was called the Statesville Female College.

F: Statesville Female College?

B: Yes. And uh--

F: Well, had your mother had any formal education or training?

B: Nothing. Just the academy training you had to have--oh, Latin, and

then, you know, some, uh, all the classics and so on.

F: Yes. What kind of plantation was it that you were born on?

B: Well,--

F: What was it growing, uh--

B: Well, it was growing mostly, uh, cotton, and-we, and then my grandfather

had, uh, introduced, as I remember as a little girl, this long, uh,

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B: line of cotton. Crcotton is it, I'm not sure.

F: I'm not sure either, but--

B: Anyway, a long (\ 0) you know, of--I don't remember the exact word.

And then, uh, there's cattle. He always had a Very fine breed of cattle.

ANd I remember laughing at the cattle when he first said I'll show you

a mooly cow. And I said oh what's a mooly cow? And how do you

spell it, m-o-o-l-y ? And he said that's a cow that

a horn had been taken off of. And, yes, he taught me the different

brands of wheat and of the corn when it would be planted, we'd go out

and go out. I stayed out so much at the farm when they let me.

Especially in the summer.

F: How many people did he have helping him work the farm? Do you recall


B: No, I don't know. Le's see after--some of the slaves went 1Wf/i 7I-

S( (-r
F: Yes.

B: And I 'just don't remember, but I imagine all together, you know, there

were about twenty that-did stay vr house servants. They still lived in

their--on the cottages that they had.

F: Right.

B: And they-because, uh, grandpa had holes dug back in the hillside of the

mountain. It's not too far. It's in the Piedmont. And there was some

old red clay hills.

F: Right.

B: And he had holes dug way back there and, uh, and uh, oh uh, vegetables

stored back there for winter, apples and cabbage and all sorts of things.

F: Kind of root cellars of a sort.

B: Yeah.

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F: Uh huh.

B: And then, of course, under the big4 house as they called it--

F: Right.

B: Uh, thegg SMEf called it by, uh, they uh, there was a big, uh,

a cellar under it.

F: Right.
and .// -
B: And uh, where there was a trench, you know,/you'd keep M' things

way down under there. In the summer when it would get hot, we'd uh--

and one thing that interested me was a churn-- I guess as big as right

around, oh, one of these galvanized buckets with fg I down in it.

F: Uh huh.

B: And uh, they would have, uh, grandmother would have, uh, a patch of

butter put into it, and other things that she wanted to keep very cold,

but especially the butter. And then they'd, with ropes, they'd draw it

up, you know, for the meals.

F: Yes. So it kept cool down underneath the ground under the house?

B: Yes. That's right--way down there, uh, deep--deep little--deep q~L-

iihntnT-re iL-tt __ t- '

F: Uh huh.

B: And the ropes, you know, and jgZ_-

F: Right.

B: /1/AA,~;5 But, you know, they--they had conveniences that time--

in those days, too.

F: Yes.

B: Um, as I recall, when mom let the tenants, uh, use any of their horses and

things on Saturday, they had to rest.

F: Uh huh.

B: He was a, of course, uh, wasn't bred 'btau"c of JLl 1hill.un, but uh,

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B: after he, uh, believe the animals need their day of rest, and on Sunday

everybody wanted to use the horses to go to meeting.

F: So they were saving them for Sunday.

B: And they'd, uh, have a rest day for them.

F: That's true.
B: 'Cause their horses and/mules and things, uh--

F: Uh huh. That's very good. Now did you say you had older brothers?

B: No.

F: Younger brothers?

B: I'm the oldest of six. I'm--

F: You're the oldest of six children?

B: Yes.

F: I see. And you--were all of the other children males or how were they

set up?

B: No, my brother was next to me.

F: What was his name?
6-rie, e-ner'
B: And I wanted--John War, we called him WXer.

F: I see.

B: I-E-R, SM:r.! And he, uh, he lived, uh, he was--when the, uh, fruit

company had gone to--this private school I'm talking about.

And then he had gone to Philadelphia for some special work in--regarding

engineering or something. And anyway, he uh, later, then, volunteered for

the first World War.

F: Yes.

B: For the Air Force. But, um, his h_ __ would not--they wouldn't

except him.

F: Oh, so he did not go into the war?

B: No. And uh, then he went into, uh, Arizona. And uh, until, uh, oh,

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B: into California--of coast kA/ --it wasn't San Francisco. I've

forgotten now. Uh, with the, uh, kind of fruit business, the kind I

mean, the kind of fruit business.

F: I see.

B: And would--they'd uh, uh, can these fruits, you know, and sell it all

over the country and so on.

F: I see. And so he was the next one to you. What year was he born? Do

you recall?

B: Yes, it was about--I have "\4V \L \ down in my books somewhere.

F: I see.

B: But uh, oh, just about two years after I guess. Then the next was a

sister, and uh, she is still living in, uh, up in Knoxville, Tennessee.

Her daughter married a young man who's a dean of agriculture at the

University of Tennessee.

F: I see.

B: And the next, uh, was a brother, Frank. And uh, he was the--the

government position 'til, uh, and uh, first he was in the county and

then he was with, uh, the Social Security Administration.

F: Uh huh.

B: And he was a businessman.

F: I see. And your sister's name was --

B: And this one was, uh, Frank Boyd White.

F: Frank Boyd. And then your sister between Frank and Greer, what was her name?

B: Uh, and her name was an old family name, Anne--A-N-N-E, Anne.

F: Anne--Anne White.

B: Yeah.

F: Now Frank Boyd, and then after Frank was--was who?

B: Uh, after Frank then--

F: Uh huh.

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B: Was, uh, my sister Elva.

F: Alva? A-L-V-A?

B: E-L-V-A, yeah.

F: E-L-V-A.

B: Elva. And uh, how many is that?

F: Let's see, that's Greer and then--

B: No, it was--

F: Greer M Frank and Elva--that's four. And you were five. There's one

more, I think.

B: There are three girls and three boys.

F: So we need one more boy. There's Greer, Frank, and who?

B: J(A.S Frank--one /i M C. ,and uh, Frank--uh--

F: Was the baby a boy?

B: Yeah, under the--no, it was, uh, the three boys. Three girls--we've

mentioned the three girls.

F: Right, we've mentioned the three girls. We need one more boy.

B: I think-- (l I,/_ it was, uh, John William.

F: I see, John William White.

B: Right.

F: Uh huh. Were they all born on the plantation there in Statesville?

B: Oh no, they uh--the others were born in '11b Statesville.

F: Uh huh. s
.re.Cf -,o- e-4
B: .A-4e+e County--Ad4ae County in--

F: Did you live on your grandfather's place, uh, all during your childhood?

B: Oh no, we lived in town after my--after my, uh, grandfather finished--

F: His medical treatment?

B: Yes, uh huh.

F: And he became a, uh, a physician in the town?

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B: Yes.

F: In the town there. Well, you say you went to public school?

B: Yes.

F: You went to the public school. Was that in town? Was it a county school

or could you describe that?

B: Yes, but uh, it didn't go very far. Although we had things different, I

remember that in seventh grade we had experiments with lamb kidneys)in

physics and--

F: Yes.

B: All the time we had public school, music--we had a wonderful school in

that town.

F: Did all the girls go to the public school?

B: Uh, yes.

F: And the boys went to Dr. Burke's, uh, private school?

B: Not all of them, no. I knew some of them went to the public school, too.

F: I see. The public schools were co-educational then?

B: The, uh, public schools were co-educational, but uh, white only.

F: White only--I see.

B: Yes.

F: Uh huh.

B: And uh, then uh, the uh, let's see--I'm trying to think--the boys who--

well, I told you--remember we said Frank--we said Gr4er and Frank.

F: Yeah, you said his name was Frank Groer. That's one. And then, uh--

B: No, Frank ,/ \ is the second one.

F: Oh, Frank was the second one?

B: Yes, Grger was the first.

F: Gr4er was the first.

B: John Grier.

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F: John Grier. And then Frank, and then you said--was it Joseph William?

B: That doesn't sound quite right. (-W #,r ri-c o i04.<

however, let me think. It just won't come to me right now.

F: Well, it may come later.

B: Yeah, ~I8.$.

F: It's okay. Did you enjoy school? Did you enjoy your school work?

B: Oh yes. I loved it. I just loved it so.

F: Did your parents, uh, did they encourage you--all the children to parti-

cipate in school actively?

B: Yes, they did. Uh, well, my mother didn't have--so with six children--she

didn't have a whole lot of time. Although, she had help, too. But uh, oh

yeah. Uh, I can remember when papa would come home from some of his

projects and everything. Uh, and he would put one of us on one knee and

one on the other, and jump us up and down on it. And it was Prim--I

remember the names of the knees--Prince and Ceiling

Prince and Ceiling. I don't know where they got the Ceiling from, but--

F: Uh huh.

B: And then, oh, they of course, we just lived on Ao e

3M29 fr and--

F: Right.

B: Something like that.

F: How--to what level did the public school go? Did it go to seventh grade

or beyond?

B: It went through seventh grade, but I said we--we had things that were

taught a little later even in tenth grade.

F: Right. Right.

B: And we had public school. We had music. Uh, a music teacher in that

seventh grade. Uh, we had a music teacher in all the grades.

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F: Uh huh. Did you think you wanted to be a teacher even at that early

age or did you have any ideas at all?

B: Oh, I loved Miss Laura (L42 CIh . )I wanted tobe like her.

F: So you--you kind of made up your mind very early that you--

B: Well, I wasn't sure that I wated to go up there and--I just sort of

S t~( C/blf\U, /Lc@f t ter, a friend of mine A

lived not too far from us, had Lim and, uh, so her

teacher, I forgot the name, ba~ that l had beautiful blon and

she was beautiful. And I said, "Well, I'd get like to get

Mthre aC wgre come to see me.

F: My gosh. Did you go to college right after the high school or did--uh,

did you go to high school after that seventh grade or--or--

B: Oh, we had that, uh, junior college there in, uh, Statesville.

F: Near Statesville. So it was--uh--was--

B: They called it the Statesville Female College.

F: Statesville. And was it restricted to women?

B: Yeah.

F: Yes it was. And what was the curriculum of that institution like? Do

you recall?

B: Well, I had more Latin and Algebra.

F: Uh huh.

B: And uh, English and--

F: What age were you while you were in the Statesville Junior College for

Yki r;
B: Oh, I guess I was around-4if4een or fourteen or fifteen, maybe, then.

F: I see. And how many years did that institution take you through--was it

two or three or--

B: Well, I, uh, had made--some gave me the impression it was a-- they thought

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B: it had a OCd-L department, too. And there was a woman down there

from near Ashville, and she said, uh, I wish you'd go up and be a teacher

in a high school up there. And I said, well, I'm not ready to teach. Oh,
c( If II
he says, you know enough to teach the folks up there. And I said, no I'm

not. I'm not going to do it.

F: How old were you then?

B: Well, I was just about sixteen then. I said, I couldn't never jr that

tft But I --

O7 IE J ,T '-1 teaching job.

F: Yeah.

B: But it was--it was rather funny.

F: Uh huh.

B: But I went into Erskine College--our church school in South Carolina, uh

Newly, South Carolina. And uh, I loved it there.

F: At what age did you go into Erskin College? Do you recall?

B: Oh, about sixteen, I guess.

F: So you went there directly after the Statesville Women's College?

B: Other, yeah. And uh, then uh, I was there only a year because I--it was

owned by my father--the principal of our high school and, gdodness,

Statesville had told my father that, uh, he wanted those uh, scholarship

offered for Peabodyiat Nashville, and he wanted me to try for that


F: I see.

B: And I didn't want to leave Ersking. I wanted the scholarship, but I didn't

want to leave Erskin but I, of course, went on to Peabody then.

F: Uh huh. I see. So had you taken any kind of diploma or anything from

Erskin? Or you just took courses there?

B: I just took the courses at Erskine, I took, uh, a lab and I had to have

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B: Greek S and I had taken Greek privately for a year before I went


F: I see. With a tutor?

B: A And then after I went to Erskin, I had attended the Greek and the Latin,

and so on.

F: I see.

B: And geology--mathematics and so on.

F: Was your experience--

B: And I had a wonderful English teacher there. Old Dr. McCain.

F: Dr. McCain. This is at Erskinz

B: Yeah, Erskire I '- ~ .

F: Uh huh. Is your experience your first time away from home?

B: Uh, no. Yes, oh except to visit these aunts in the county in the

summers. Some of tha L1 .'

F: How far away was Erskin from Statesville?

B: Well, let's see. We went from Statesville to Charlotte, and from

Charlotte to Spartanburg. And from Spartanburg on down to due west

where Erskigris.

F: I see. And so you went--

B: Oh, it was unique. It was a--it's a wonderful place. And it's dI

r- 0 V4 10 It's .A i1' I 1/A XC a kc-P but it's

SJ-&4 0- Co SLCA.- famous people who have gone out and made--

F: Uh huh.

B: *-Names for themselves there.

F: Uh huh.
B: And uh, they--Erskin does rank highly. Although if you'll look on the

list of colleges, it doesn't have a big student body.

F: Uh huh.

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B: It doesn't want a big student body.

F: Yes, it wants to remain small--not like the University of Florida.

B: No.

F: Unfortunately. So you were there for a year, and then you won this

scholarship to Peabody and although you didn't want to leave Erskine,

you went on to Peabody?

B: Yes.

F: In Nashville.

B: A little tey O J' ~; 4 Fjl, c'"'

before we decided what I was to do. But anyway, I loved Erskine and I

enjoyed Peabody and there I met Miss Rowina Longmeier from, uh, (411 ---

from, uh, Florida. And uh, she uh, sort of--she had--even:,then was

getting a little bit of gray hair and she was taking some graduate

courses. But she sort of took 0 c g ez. rt, .

F: Uh huh.

B: And uh--

F: You were about seventeen or eighteen at the time?

B: Yes. And then she wanted me to promise that I would come to Florida to

teach. And I told her that we were under--that if we had won the

scholarship we had to teach in our own state for two years.

F: Yes. 1, a r .f

B: And I couldn't do it. uL, said, when you ibb T lokm baek In two

years, you'll let me know.

F: What were your studies like at Peabody? What did you study there?

B: Oh, I studied--well, I went into Latin TE and nd into English


F: Uh huh.

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B: And uh, until, uh, I had to have one course in some mathematics.

And uh, I forgot just what it was called. And uh, I took elementary methods
and I took high school methods in teaching and so on /_ _/_t_ .

F: I see. Was that--did you take your baccalaureate there? At Peabody?

B: Yeah, I did later. I didn't finish because t 1/1 I 4 second

year, when I was going back, I had part of my, uh, junior year. I'd

had some advanced work taking s9 examinations. And my mother--

This is the end of Side 1--Tape AL 7A

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B: And uh, I (Cf in at, uh, North, uh, this school in, uh,

South Carolina. And then the ,o -\ -.-1 next spring in 19 and--

oh, what would be that date--in Gastonia, North Carolina.

F: Gastonia?

B: Yes.

F: Uh huh.

B: I was offered a, uh, position in the school there. Well, I wanted high

school English, but Mr. Ray, the principal, told me that he had--he

wanted me to come into the system. That's when he said I don't have any

high school opening for you now, but I will have next year. If you'll

just teach third grade this year--

F: I see.

B: For me, then I'll put you up there next year.

F: I see. Good. So you-was that about 1903 or 19--do you recall the year

of that?

B: 19--uh let's see. I'll have to go back AL // ( I

And uh, the year I started--anyway, the next year I was offered a position

in Lincolnton, which paid me, uh, more.

F: Uh huh. But what were the salaries at the time? Do you recall?

B: No, but I know that I had--I got a raise of $75.00 to come to Florida.

And uh, then they raised it,'iiMp' > right up there. And I-

after I told those -t~old them no, he said well, a

already accepted here in Lincolnton.for next year. -And I said, well,

uh, I do want to go down there. He said we'll let you off if you'll promise

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B: to come back to us next year. So I made them that promise.

F: I see.

B: And uh, I did come back to Florida with Miss Longmeier and, uh, I mean

in--she was teaching in Tallahassee then.

F: Uh huh. She's the js hat you had met up at Peabody.

B: Yes. And she said, well, I want you to accept 3fS position here in Florida.

There's a young man that I've taught and know so well, and he's so fine

that I know you will think he is a good person to teach under. And uh, so

I'll tell you about it and you can accept or not just as you.say9(yll, I

did it--not knowing just on how it was. And I came, and I was engaged to

somebody else a while. And I wasn't quite sure anyhow. That's--


F: You came to Bradenton at that time?

B: Beg your pardon?

F: You came to Bradenton then? Is that when you first came to Bradenton?

B: No, that was in, uh--

F: Tallahassee?

B: Uh, yes, that was in Bradenton. And so, it all ended that I became engaged

to him. And by the end of the year, well, I told him--I said I've promised

to go back to Lincolnton for this next year. You'll just have to wait for

me. So he did.

F: You went back up to Lincolnton for one year?

B: Yes, and came then right to, and was--had a lovely wedding. And then


F: Did any of your family come down for the wedding or did you have a wedding

here in Bradenton?

B: Oh no, I was married in, uh, on .': 4 (&ee I was in Lincolnton.

F: Uh huh.

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B: And uh, I uh, was married, uh, up at my father's home, you see.

F: I see. And your 'husband's name was?

B: Uh, John, I mean, uh, Herbert Boutelle.

F: Herbert Boutelle. Okay.

B: Yeah.

F: And was he a native of Florida?

B: No, he was a New Englander. And they were--his people had come over--
not in the Mayflower but in the--Governor Winthrop's college

F: I see.

B: And they were quite active people up in his section in Massachusetts and


F: Oh, I see. And he was a principal, you say, of a school.

B: Of this school, yes, -i -- High School.

F: It was a county school?

F: Public school?

B: Yes.

F: I see. Did you--when you came--when he brought you back down to Bradenton,

you did not teach, you say?

B: No, um--

F: What year were you married?

B: I was married in 1908.

F: 1908.

B: And uh, I uh, there was, uh, one of the teachers who I--just after she

started school in Bradenton to teach, uh, Latin or English, one of the

two, I don't remember which. Uh, I found that, uh, she had a chance to

go to the'University of Chicago. And so she asked __ -- and

until he could get another teacher there, I substituted, I'd say for

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B: about six weeks, but that was all.

F: I see.

B: He didn't want me to--

F: To teach?

B: teach 'cause he--

F: Did you finish up any of your diplomas at, uh, at Peabody?

B: I had finished, uh, no, I lacked just a little bit of having the

full A.D. I,/

F: I see. C^ rirC

B: I had the QEbE. I, but uh, I lacked some--having the full A.D.

F: Uh huh.

B: But uh, later, I went to New York--I mean to Columbia University.

F: Yes.

B: Uh, for three summers. And uh, and took postgraduate work after I'd

finished my A.B. at Peabody. And then I, uh, did graduate work up there.

F: Was this after you husband had passed away?
B: Oh yes--sometime.

F: I see. So your husband--you were married in 1908. And your daughter--your

only daughter was born in 1909. And what is her name?

B: No, I--yes, she was--her name is Mary Elva Boutelle.

F: Mary Elva Boutelle.

B: But she is now Mrs. Frank D. Travis, but uh, her husband died suddenly of

a heart attack ten years ago. Just was sitting in the home on Sunday
afternoon, and oh, he said, N
afternoon, and oh, he said, There was an old visitor and--

F: Uh huh.

B: I mean just sitting in the room. Oh my goodness, he said __ L

I always say that it's a pain. I think it's my heart. And she said, let
me go get a or something for you. I'll be right back. And he was
me go get a -- or something for you. I'll be right back. And he was

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B: gone while she'd gone to get it.

F: My gosh. So fast--so rapid--so quick.

B: Well, uh, yes, I'm just about--can't talk much more today.

F: It's fine. No, I think you've been most wonderful and cooperative, and


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