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ALACHUA PORTRAIT FORUM #9
"BETWEEN THE CRACKS: THE NEW FOLK"
13 October 1983
[Transcribed from original audiotape]
B: Allan Burns, Ph. D., Humanities Consultant
C: Tim Check, Panel Moderator/City of G'vl Safety Officer
FB: Frank Bradley, Panelist/Editor, HIGH SPRINGS HERALD
F: Debbie Findley, Panelist/ Local C.P.A.-Newcomer
W: Bill Watson, Tradition Bearer/Speaker from Audience
RW: Rudolf Welch, Panelist
FW: Fiermon Welch, Retired School Principal/Speaker from Audience
H: Martha Richard Hagan, Speaker from Audience
OW: Ozell Williams, Speaker from Audience
TW: Thelma Welch, Speaker from Audience/Retired Schoolteacher
S: Marian Strappiere, Speaker from Audience/Retired Schoolteacher
PH: Penny Haskins, Panelist Newcomer
GC: Gino Cavaceppi, Panelist Newcomer/Naturalized Citizen
yg.r I -.if I thought Alex Lundy. AWf- who was on our
panel in the past and some of his way of speaking is a very, high
almost poetic way of speaking. People like that that are very goodC
't*:-gS,. this all goes back to something I said I think about four
or five weeks ago and, that is, we are somebody here and a 5
(._ _t^*ft^;hu Reverend Jesse Jackson says, "I am somebody." Well,
we are somebody ,ib here in Alachua and Alachua's.something and
Alachua's some place. Sometimes, you know, we go about our daily
lives and we( dj t)think about the special nature of Alachua, we
d't think about these things we talked a little bit about tonight.
v but it' still there and, and I think makes for Alachua to be a
spe,iical place that we have not just places to work and places
to go to school and places c9 to eat, which are all really nice
but we also people who do special things. That- kind of give
ourselves a sense of who we are and where we are and that we are
an important kind of a town. Wellltonight then, let's move back
to the panel. *4 ve asked a number of people who are either
relatively new, newcomers)..F. some who have been here a while
to talk about why it was they came to Alachua or, in some cases,
why they left Alachua for awhile and what they found when they
came back to Alachua. ~che a I think e'ltl just turn the
gi01 over to Mr. Check and begin talking.
TC: like to introduce our panelists for the people who are
here tonight. First person on our panel tonight is Rudolf Welch.
Second person is Penny Haskins. Third person Frank Bradley. Next
person is Debbie Findley, and lastly, Gino Cavaceppi -something
like that (.L-ughte-:froar G. C'Vacftpi). Okay, we'll start off I
with &io Frank Bradley.
FB: Wll, g I have a confession to make. I on actually
live in Alachua, by the way, but I think X kind of interesting
anyway that a lot of people live, a number of people live in Alachua
and X High Springs, in this area, and work in Gainesville. ^ gnd
they go down, so hey ? up here in the evenings and down in 'li,:l.
Gainesvile in the daytime and I sort of tried to reverse that trend.
I actually live kX/ in Gainesville so, d)say that, working up
here I spend let's see =-in that way at least in the short period
of time been here, e seen somewhat of a_.1*11 s a fair
amount of things of people up fre in Alachua and High Springs.
AB: Frank, before you go on too much further, you might mention
how ~ that short period of time.
FB: .. .I Well, I started coming up here
about~ I work with the High Springs Herald up there and I started
working up there about January, off and on for a period oftime and
then, in May, I guess April or May, Bob Sharkey, the owner up
there, asked me ifc I'ike to come up and ss-*work with him up
there on a full-time basis so I chose to do that. % of course,
being with the newspaper High Springs Herald
which in High Springs, t:ow*- calling it the Alachua Herald Ng
v'j^TgU- T ) You know,,-.trying to give a lot of coverageX a lot
of things have been going on in Alachua,,I spend more time, I think,
in Alachua, than I do well, I know -spent more time in Alachua
4-han I have in HIgh Springs but :t:Sa, I contribute that..-a
couple of reasons: 1) that Mr. S'ig'li'es in High Springs, is
a little more familiar with that area and, 2) I thihk more things
have been going on in Alachua, at least the last few months I
been down here. Oh, what I would characterize as -things of
of interest to the public at large, meaning the ithe forums here,
also the city government and the actions that h taken or
not taken in city government -A the last few months becausethat's
been kind of a busy time So riB ht s's basically where I am.
Originally, ( )actually more of a transplant than that because
originally I came from-. i^ North Carolina, up in e tern North
_arolina and I notice that every time I go to western North Carolina
just for a short time on vacation back there at home my mother or
people up there always comment about all the Florida peoplee who are
moving up to North Carolina. ve) reversed, or tried to reverse the
trend there. Try to get some North Carolinians back down in Florida.
So hat basically that. But I came down to Gainesville /rea
a couple of years ago to study /iuirnalism at the University of
Florida and hatsbasically what lve)ben doing and how I got, C-
invovled in the newspaper the High Springs Herald and how I've got-
ten down here to cover and spend soem time in Alachua and so, from
that point of view, that basically is ~. my experience from there.
AB: Frank, from your perspective as ajoarnalist, if you were
going to write a a couple hundred word ^SM. e to somebody who lived
in China or Australia, what would be your description of Alachua?
FB: ( called On-The-Spot Journalism. t )
FB: Well, ]gitI think in a way, in a way itlt-be tough. I
think Alachua is ',- Y I see it as ap -rather diverse
or a different community. It has a spread out town, small town.
It has a lot of people here that.I see a lot of people, I don
know that t eres just(1e ones but, a lot of people who've lived
here a long time and who are very much tied to the community and to
a way of life that been here and, seems to me, an,; a good
way of life, in a way. 4'I see a r- community at a
maybe that could go either way. I see a community where in terms of
tiei town it has, it seems to me, a great potential in some ways, f
s of becoming a more, a very thriving community. On the other hand,
perhaps it will choose not to do that and choose to a d i st, stay
more sedate or *.ja quieter community. Maybe no1 and I
thinkAhai ) rPeally a decision about what, basically, the/ immunity,
A4 people want out of the community. One is, do they choose the view
that citizens or residents here, do you want the/o-mmunity to stay
the way it is or do you want it to become more --iFe,. ongoing,
vital(V I think Creally a decision that the people
have to make. And I (don know tha, A4eq= m seems to me that
t'S)_ sort of teetering on a balance of here and that it could
kind of go either way, dependingon what the people choose to do
and7 -I dn know wht they choose.
AB: Anybody in the audience have a .question or comment? A&,ric ,
FB: I kn t i, newcomer too(' she's-not- f.rb'mm-,-~-alg
time ago/ nd-s, e alsy is,/ anY I' m *not s Te .really- -'
'7/ I / / / .,. v-
FB: StaJ -lm-o a.
TC: Debbie? What are your comments about the town? the your
X Reception? You run a business here.
DF: Right. I have a small business here and it been real
good. I first saw Alachua in 1973 because I went to"the University
of Florida, too, and b, we just wanted to se what was around
Gainesville and we drove east and west and south and north and
we went to Alachua, several times. 'Once on 441. Once on 241, and
coming from LaCrosse, and it seemed like any direction you came
to Alachua, it was so pretty. Itoi reminded me of up north, cause
I come from southern Florida and nrt._,there are no big oak trees
down there and when we went down 441 and saw all those oak trees
that go down the middle of it? I thought I hat so beautiful. I
would d just like to see that every day. And then, on your right
you see the fields where the cows were grazing andi -.!O,. : "
just beautiful and % when we graduated from the University of
Florida, we decided that we wanted to live near where we'd gone
to school because we knew it was pretty and we chose Alachua be-
cause the land is reasonably priced and we bought land here and
we built a house and wF-.we planted baby trees like
this L and now Xhejy'rg huge. Because the dirt is so..fertile
here, and you can grow...anything you want to grow,(-
--ifat -;it~- he f c, the first person I met in Alachua was a,
Mr. Don pld at Mac's Grocery mea I, --Te-
ownr- of Mo Oac-' y you know, you go through town
and you stop, get your gas, a drink or something and that, tfVF6ts
was the first person I met and he was very friendly. In fact, he
heTdnt treat you like, v never seen you before or anything
like that. He was very friendly and the second person we met was
Wallace Cain. And he sold us our lpad. And he was very nice to us
and v he gave us an idea of Alachua's going to be growing
or not, because we d/ t want to live somewhere where it was going
to become urban all of a sudden and, if I had to describe to some-
body what Alachua was like, I would just have to say I like it
here. Well, I got my sister to move up here recently. .
/ -_/ -~x. ^~ I would just have to say that it's a
perfect mix between city 7. and country.
TC: What kind of business climate did you find. Alahua provided
you? In terms of starting your business? Why -gy did you decide
to a1 do it here?
DF: Because I had this feeling that people here in Alahcua dot
talk to each other and I on advertise much at all because
people talk to each other and if I get new business, it usually
because somebody I', I did work for talked to somebody they knew.
AB: Debbie,youK kind of an optimistfQ .,.eab ut surely
there are some things that are kind of 7 problems here in Alachua.
Are there any unique problems., to living here that you might not
have found when you lived in Orlando or anywhere else?
You miss not having an Oaks Mall down the street i-:r
DF: That's.if-gs a personal preference. I really do <,~l
Maas a" > next doo^fs^
TC: Movie theatres?
AB: Question from the audience? ?t9sV-:z
BW: Miss Findley, you mentioned after graduating from the
university, you went around the county in all directions, trying to
choose a city a little town to live. ( like to know what city
came in secongto Alachua. d iihtc-J ')e-r
BW: Newberry. I was thinking along that line, too.
TC: Any other questions?
AB: Any comments?
SCS:The audience might be interested in knowing that Debbie
is a BD.- _________
TC: Okay, wd like to talk with $f!, Rudolf Welch. Now you
originally are from this area for awhile and came back,.~dt--
'1I 5 l;rtirl;- --,:l- .how did you perceive Alachua when you
were a youngster around town, how did you perceive it when you were
away in the military, and dgog how do you now perceive it you
know, after returning? See many changes over that it'*n time
RW: Well,RL,-..I was raised right here in Alachua and 82>
Alachua's a nice place, a small town. Ay
I feel that 4 well, IT've-been in the military for the last four
years. I j/t got back in.Jutene and A, I was in Germany for awhile.
/ Az V^.
and I.cl- lta s "-- States for the last two years()
Wb, After coming back, I found that Alachua had had grown some.
I found that the recreational aspect of Alachua has really grown.
I(t a lot, lot more than it used to be. hats you know, h(at
good. likee to see Alachua stay basically the way Alachua
is now because i'ri)s kind of a peaceful, slow kind of
slow environment It/s not changed. (ts like a lot of cities
and places you go and feel that, you know, this is the good life.
TC: t s a comfortable place to be, s it?
RW: Yessir. And ah 4_-eFr -t~aji -e'r~:pn-ffi as far
as .,* changes here in Alachua, I feel that ~,fi ~SS-
p;~wyyour home environment means a lot but then 1 for young
people but also, 4As I feel that young people here in Alachua need
we need f, A______here in Alachua because to go to
nice places, nice I say or nice theatre or say, to go to a
nice discoteque just to dance, relax, you got to go to gnesville
and for a lot of people that may not go to Gainesville all the
time By, Q, be convenient to have it here. And eel that here
in Alachua, if you had something that, you know that was nice,
like these type of things, it U, I think it would help, it would
change. It would have an effect on how some of the young people
_e -C_____C _because right now you have
some good recreation but you (o have that much else in Alachua.
I see that they start to put ~.~2is:~ '-w, different types of
,.~l^e gtl3al, fast food services which is nice, young people like
that, you know. More of these kind of things, I think, would, you
know^ stimulate the young people in Alachua. e...
TC: We had a forum two or three weeks ago where we talked about
recreation, family services, health and -rr#iFs iww, that was an
issue which kept being brought up time and time after time,
that we really needQed some type of a social center, recreation center
Which would meet the needs of all the people in all age groups
1ou know, I think the city .made a step in the right direc-
tion by starting to run their own recreation program instead of
contracting out to the YMCA but .Tyour ideas and suggestions are
very compatible with most of the other peoples' who ,-; feel the
same way. But, you know, the thing that yur saying, that
it'ssomet tht id
z something (tatas said oft times thatJ1 ,;'you know this is just
a nice pace i, there's enough action going on.--.a the youngsters
can have a good time, yet (/s peaceful enough so tha theres no
way really to feel threatened or intimidatedc )tTry-y
AB: Rudolf, J a lot of people have mentioned that growing up
here in Alachua was kindjtough. In one way, everyone knew what
you were doing. b, youcouldnt get L with anything. _
*-~S=g ---'"-w --l-0r that -ah, some people felt kind of
constricted by teth*, their family and and they couldn't experiment
with different ideas., ,,, -their family was there and that might
be a reason some of the young people feel kind of left out of
Alachua. Did you find that when you were growing up/ Did any of
your friends find.that? How would you react to that now with a
little, fjew more years behind you?
RW: WI1, I think that At, I think that if I had it to do all
over again, ( grow up the same way. Right here in Alachua, you
know. You know, myself, Alachua's great for me growing up. I
went to school. At elementary, I went to Douglas Elementary in
High Springs and ir-4it' felt that was a good school.
I learned a lot there. I went to MeBane in Middle School and I felt
that I learned there. I went to Santa Fe for high schoo0l4dE* s
as far as UWi *Prg, getting around Alachua, it
really an7 any problems around here e-ew.
I really used to ride motorcycles a lot and I put f(fj ti a7lot
of time in that -.rgrowing up and I used to love to just get on my
bike a lot of times and/ride around Alachua in the, and outside of
Alachua in the country., Lct- beautiful country and the hay and
the watermelon. You know, in the cities you d(o, djrt-i see that
kind of stuff, you know, but you ont have that. And in lots of
cities, if ori on a motorcycle qo:6i e in a lot of traffic all
the time andCPilot of pollution^.and you gotX' watch everything.
So much traffic. Around here, you did t have that. You could just
fe c--e around (frLe~ ~ema( -*yo u know, as long as you ( n'
breaking any laws, you know/. tait was nice. But nowSa this
is 1983, and tvi young people I think, asi. think they
have few different ideas about hi things than we had back
then =ET1aSi. But .NlJasically, I ,.yfu-~.nw-;..feel that-th. this is,
lit one of the better ah environments to grow up ir K
you know, and traveling places and seeing other com, other/areas
than Alachua, what because here in Alachua, you ot have a
lot of things, a lot of the things out there ei, isause kids to
Qt'S not herejlike
stray and go into doing a lot of wrong things./irxiika it is in
Kitie x a lot of cities. and I<Et think it will stay that way
but you know,( )like to see maybe one industry not in Alachua .~
maybe on the outsides of Alachua t and *svcto bring in more jobs
one reason why I think I was in the service. I went in
service really, to k-gi4 y u 1 -.- wy better myself, you know, edu-
cation, to learn, Si .to be able to have
AB: Was rara it tough to Irf" get a job when you were
growing up as a teenager?
RW: Well, I wouTri n'tsay it was tough to get a job. A,-
AB: What .-things did you do?
RW: Me? Well, worked in the gas stations coming along in school.
AHl, first job I had, I worked for Mr. Willie Cauthen down here in
the barbershop. I shined, shoes and s^ Cetvil the barbershop.
_^-(/ \- \ *ita \ v(
I think I was about 1 and, that was a great job) y-esTaow. To
have a job. All, there was jobs around. I mean, lot of times you
might not be able to get the job that you really want but #.s_,.
you could work..They're there.
AB: Now X ,ctrftrying to put ou on the spot. Tried to put
Ms. Findley but she, she got off he spot. If ._--. rs' t J
qff you were sudden ly put in the position of being a combi-
nation mayor-city manager-police chief and all-around great, great
guy in Alachua, what would you change about the town? What would
you c y/uv Been to other places. been to
Germany, yoT'Vu) talked of how other people.have grown up and lived.
What sort ,,h .M...i-- _of thing would you say, well this needs work?
And I ;don'tmean physical, I on mean you need a new highway but-.
socially, religious, any kind of realm you want to talk in, what
would you change to make a good place for the future? You have a
million dollars to do it, five yearsob.
RW: t T I would try to),Qt I believe I would try
to come up with something Vr bring all of the people of Alachua
more together. J .^yo_:a- : you have a stronger
town or town or city if the people are more together, I mean all
people. d and I believe I would really, you know, put a lot of
thought into something g moree together in Alachua.
AB: ._ Reminds me of in the film ItmiSrey'-f
[FILM refers to "Four Women Artists" from Center for Southern
Folklore, which was shown immediately preceding forum], the person
who did the needlework said one stick by itself can break real easy
but if you put twelve together, you cant.
BW: Just a comment,1 I' talking about if the gentleman had
a million dollars and five years, which I hope can become a reality
for him, but I would offer a suggestion as a citizen of Alachua/
|.'tfirst thing I would do would suggest to you a recommendation
for a traffic light at Main D. and 441. That, you know, as a long-
time resident here, that is one of the most obvious traffic hazards
in the city. We have a light at 235 and 441, but we have a great
deal of pedestrian traffic down Main IsO and ( s not al- geographi-
cally squared off, you know, like an intersection and you taking
a risk to go across. So, I just would like to add thatOL.--
RW: Are you giving me some feedback on, you know what Ive /
said, bringing people together. When you bring, when you figure
out a way to bring people together,fl.u;.i.w>"Uih,, you get many
RW: from many different people which the more people you
have making suggestions for things is really what's, you know
initiates getting things done that needs to be done.
FB: Mr. Watson, can I ask you has that been brought to the
ci ty commission at all, that &t point, _..
FB: Question about a traffic light at some place. I wondered
if that' been brought up to the city commission at all
FB: YOu saying that to me or is that M0. Watson's?
BW: Well,4:3:,_...quite a few years ago, bf....__- .
_ whatsJ- X.i imia I talked to someone
in the city government here and they mentioned that-JMaMs, the
"___ _--~ had a great hand in that. And it 7anjt-
--o do that _
just up to the city but, l-you uldnt want to have A, a major
unfortunate situation there in order to open someone eyes ,ito
BW: [rt h. i b wLhile I have your attention, I would like
to just pose a question for the panel. Even though the ones that
are here chose to live in Alachua or the surrounding area, even
after you made some decisions to live in Alachua, what was your
first regret about coming here? I:tsiS...- I mean, even though
C('yoP satisfaied,basically. Well,(there one thing that you (dn'
like in Alachua. And --kindR kick that around a little bit.
AB: I would really quickly look at Mr. Watson and I are on the
same team .(E kl't) Start with Frank...
FB: What, if Ik(don't like.
AB: What .,ft-you would regrets.
FW: I didn get it. My wife is saying that you directed a
question a me.
FB: No, I directed a question at Mr. Watson because he had asked
it. Sorry. What is it that I regret the most about Alachua?
Is that the question?
BW: Atu4 Titt's the general question. \.=Jailt:fttre-
FB: Well, let me tell you, t in L -. YOu -kno- I don't know.
Now, e the thing about it, in fact. All of us look at things
through a particular set of eyes and with a particular set of
biases and views but 9 I really kind of think, I sensedJR-
s*F==. that a, a little bit of a, a division racially in this
community. I can be quite honest about it. And i, don mean to
say it from a point of view of of- i a-n intent or anything like
that, but sort of the way, kind things maybe have happened and I,
and I would say es unusual to me, to find ao y city now that
has its -the sized it:' l. I mean it's a small
city but i ^ ^d i doesn ave, for instance, blacks who are
represented on the city government and blacks who are part of the
police force, and so forth, and yet we have half the comunity,VW
tis-c community consists off-,=e--s-ef black residents. Now, I fully
understand that maybe it- not an intentional thing but it seems
to me that that creates a sense of, would create a sense of per-
ceptional part of some people, say "-Hey! what's going on here?"
Now I ,~~tiii spent a lot of time in the Marine Corps and
I worked with people of all races and denominations and I know that
. .-..tb.u.t a lot of it or how we feel about things or how people
look at it, say you know, it was important to us to attract,~
officers and staff NCOs, e people who represented not only blacks
but Mexican Americans and so forth, to represent so the people
would see and say hey I belong to his part and I can look up to
people and so forth. So I think.,.JiE I mean Q you know, it seems
4o oM own Deg but I'say tone thing, one observation
make of the city.
MH: Well, we had I think we got one commissioner and 'i's up
to them. They gott get out ar'd run,- like everybody else. And
talked to several to run and, just like heye talked to
me to run, ) but k nipt want any part of it. Politics can
get dirty, you know, and (iiad" iL>;Lhto:i.. ..--.b~ 1za
another thing, these
aOxxhxese people that leave Alachua, they all come back later. You
just watch and see. They get that sand in their shoes. l4a.
jTheuytjust like Bill. back here, see? And S they come back.
I can name a number of people that moved away and, in fact, I had
one party to come to my house and just wanted one acre of land. idL-dn't want
no more. They sold their home at the edge of town here and moved to the
beach. They thought that was it. And I think it was the gentleman in the
family that said he got so homesick says, do anything or go anywheres"
but they had a certain area they wanted their home. Back out around Buck
Shaw's and in there and k I saaid, "Well, you got to buy one acre of land
and if you do, you (tIlay a lot for it." So they ended up, Wallace Cairo
I told4)em to go to Wallace Cain. They wanted to pufa trailer and not build
a home and I said I know a place out here it the old Johnny Wilson Farm.
I do- know whether anybody else here knows where its at, but s on 235.
And they settled down there and -- .retired and all, 4' eb
and9-ou look around ou-l ee a lot of these Alachua packers coming back.
TC: Thank you. Mr. Williams?
OW .-II about what Mr. Bradley said 4iP, relative to the 3 govern-
mental set-up. The ^ population of Alachua, according to the 6t 1980
census, is slightly, wise, more blacks than there are whites. At the
same time, you have to understand one thing. ib I only been here a short
while.... short while [ about five or six years. ) there are a number
of blacks here who think todayD 19831 like they thought 1933. All right.
The times have changed but they have not gone along with the times. And as
a result of this, they have been thoroughly, politically victimized. Nowy-c<e
when he mentioned about the L...city government. You talk about government.
of the o ..c'\ lg
One out of five/city commission. Yed&' you got j.a-tf. 9. Criswell. < t'i
But you talking about you would have to have a dynamic force with that
one. All right. Concede that. You talk about here at City Hall. Do you know
how many blacks do you have working for the ity? You got four. Xn the main-
tenance department. And you got one, half-time, up at the red light For
the kids /o cross the streets in the morning) (ilgfigoing to and from
school. You had one black policeman, which you o6:_ have any more. He saw
fit to go to the county which the other//lack did. Now that position has Peen
filled by another white officer who graduated from high school in D0( or '82.
1 ,t '-- 9w. You always come up with the idea that we (ca
get somebody/lack to do this or do that..To me, this is a cop out. Here we live
) vS\ -S>T A J'f > A 6
a^ ijmnext door to the flagship ci; k tivw'ip- the University
System in the State, .and you tell me that you/c )find somebody?
W: I would like to say this. Now, are's, I think the voting area
TW: I would like to say this. Now, there's?', I think the voting area
wjecfi tje ^nots/gC~ft' np :VPtOfftg a ea7 '1^'^natjo5mg--was~e--ew t ame5u;
where the city limits of the voting area. Now one thing was the way they
have this voting area. There are a lot of blacks who could ,well, maybe be
but E re not in there what is it?
:(voices all at once) City limits.
TW: The way they have designed the city limits of Alachua, and there are
a lot of fine people on thejutside of the city limits that would be QlPW
,1aIJy to get those positions. Buthey're not in the city limits.
FB: Well, I I'lllGiil~T. |i, I think the way the law basically works,
anyway for government here, is that you( d-3o have to be a resident of the
city t'be employed down here. I) not a requirement to be a resident to be
employed. There is a requireffit to be a commissioXdr or something) an elected
official. But to be an employee in one city or another
AB: We, we do have to move on to some other peopleX
MS: I just wanted to say I I believe AS Welch made a
statement A&J: made me think we have been at a standstill for a long
time. sometime, as he said, it is probably our fault. When I say our fault,
I mean, (I 'talking about the mass. Now, Alachua, on both sides I thinCkwe've&
stood still a long time. We just took too many things for granted. Now, I
think Alachua's imfrvying. Because 4 when was it? Tuesday fight>
-.I think tAQW m-_' h ril <;5 /t as ~I concerned. We eie-
have, what is the little theatre group oa~ organized and sof5 ;: it's .
a mixed group. Black and whiteFy v eysinvited and if we, if this thing
goes through, I think it's gmfni make Alachua really change. Now I want to
say that, long time ago, atFgEFt-think when the Chamber of Commerce first
organizede. .t I was invited to join. (3be frank/ I id"dn't I won't
give reasons why, but I.,didn1' join. And .z'-: should have and have
other people to and sometimes as she said, we just stand back. You know
what I mean? e been #_"Ua_ back so long until e ,vi gotten in this rut
and weo 3at just afraid to step out. we have been in a ruto2
but I think Alachua certainly has changed and l is) up to us to help
change it. And I reallyx,,0i lSffi! see improvement.
TC: _-_ At this time,I'd like to talk with Penny Haskins.
_PH: Aeos Te& J 7 oCg j--r-but I'l_ get to that later_-Al-_.
why we moved to gainesville, we lived in Alachua (laughter) rather. We
moved to Gainesville seven years ago and my daughter got into horses and
she was boarding a horse. We wanted a place with land where we could keep
horse but/really ;d ,> ^o ) to live way out in the country and we looked
at places and I kept saying, 'CTha' too far out.(That'% too far out." And
one day, Sarah Herring called me and sai, [' egot this place.<
We came to look at it and it had to be fate! I dotknow how else you could
explain it because it was what we dreamt about forever and never thought we
would ever have and we just,<j I in l 4C_ I mean iSi;sf it was ir-
rational. It was an irrational choice by any means but we moved to the house
and by the same token, by moving to the house, we became part of Alachua.
But I i( know anything about the city when we made the decision to live
here. been very grateful for the forums becauseey----V givenme an insight
into what f lt dti community is, who its people are, some of the history
behind it and /like, I moved to a new town and somebody set up a, a educational
p-oqram for me to learn about what I A. and the more I know
about it, the happier I am thatI herer. .-.the thing I like best about
Alachua is the phys&l beauty of the place. From my house I can see the sun
rise, I can see the sun set. I lived in a subdivision in Gainesville and I
cou ldn)see all that. i, riding down the road wa,^ ,i -l- c qui ftf .
4Pe 44e1S. I love it. I working Gainesville. I go down 441 every day. In fact, I might,
probably-passed you.. tr)
FB: II ll wa x N
PH: And so for, in a sense, for me, s a bedroom community because
just here for the evengs and on weekends but O gald ..for that~-J we
had d an office picnic at my house a couple of weeks ago and the following
week several people came to me and said, "How can you bear to leave your place?
Why donJ you stay there all the time?" And tC w ____ l-at .
i .n one of the earlier forums .saii one of the gentlemen gave
an anecdote about aS how do you find the people in a place that you move
to and the question is, "How did you find the people at the place you moved
from?" Well, okay. I like people. (f'vemoved all my life,0, from place to
place. I'vnever moved anywhere that Idid't ind nice people. And Alachua's
no exception to that. severall of the things that happened to us after
we moved here, that really R, people t cs nicer4tComsome of the
and her ho- eo cOc-c
other places /ka ~, I was bringing my daughterly horse osp-as4 m
__ ^ +nfm '. and a policeman followed me home all the way, up
the driveway, around the back of the house and I thought, "Oh dear, what have
I done now?" My husband was out front. He just stopped to chat, to meet the
new people, and to introduce himself, tell us that they rV )EJ'needed them,
that they would be there and I was just flabbergasted. 4VA -'<JSt(' oYc
ui~Jjthat was, to me, that was really _3o_ and then A-, my
daughter was c oIa^T' 4EwfT When she gets in a bad mood, she likes
to get on her horse and go for a long ride. So she goes offsi
and she says really difficult because when 0 in a bad mood, I o
feel like smiling and everybody smiles at me and I have to smile back and I
(cn be in a bad mood. so,. hit's what happens. We really have enjoyed it.
We like the slow pace very much. gW--.:.the lack of traffic, the fact that
you can jfwherever it is that you want to go to. 24D.we can get things
done in Alachua so much easier than we could in Gainesville. People are willing
to work. 0l..the businessmen in Alachua want your business, most of 41 fAs)
(i their own business. I to their advantage to do good work and they do
good work. They on" cost as much and you get more value for your money., p?
one of the other things that I like about Alachua, and I consider it an
advantage to the town is @t the Rebel House. I dot like to cook and we like
that kind of food, so that works out very nicely. one of the things that
(we'v) had to overcome is to have enough running room to Gainesville every
time we want something, to break the ties with Gainesville and make ourselves
a part of the Alachua Community. a .-now, to the disadvantages: And its
a serious one and that's the utility cost in this town)
[Change to Tape Side "B"]
__PH B'i._ .. Actually, I ohhink
__hat-'true.Wd have done it anyway lb- .ut- in terms of the future of
Alachua I have enjoyed the forums but I o know that anybody has
talked about the research parkl At least, I di t hear it brought up in the
ones I attended. I e come to all of them. I find that very exciting. I
think going to bring people, as you say, ___B__ __ _
lIt going to bringbmTrttnetnf people to Alachua and I think fit a great
promise for the future of Alachua in exactlthe direction that.a town like
this should go in for its industry and ,i$d jobs for its young people. I find
that real exciting. jAMC h-aI would like to see Jowntown cleaned up and re-
vitilized. I think e. it has the potential for a lot charm. & and there
is some but some of it that needs to be fixed up and businesses, new businesses
/^ <z ot-1- a^ s fUl`^t<. r-a/^A, qcoi 40
brought in. That sort of thing. new business make
money if everybo running to Gainesville all the time soi jlb| t 's
one of the reasons I( ried to break myself of that habit. Iv been really
fascinated with the Sre-es and the K x f fe I am the granddaughter of
Greek immigrants that came about the turn of the century. I (9 even know
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my family history back five genreations, eight generations. People 4 been
talking about I..I find that fascinating l my father was in the air force
andQe been all kinds of places so P never had roots and I love A
seeing what it means to people, the families that have developed here.
AB: Did you ever feel that because there are such strong family group s JLJ~
strong kin groups, that-.o-.on the outskirts the Irbys over here, ^
~laSl the Cotherns over here and so forth? aJSti whwhere do you fit in?
PH AB- itin-th e remig h ? t
_PH I think there might be some truth to that butVTv9 always been an
outsider and,. never let that bother me and /ye always made friends despite
it. So jj)s one of the things that I regret is because I work in Gainesville,
that I have not been able to be involved in the community. And I haven'i been
able to meet all the people and a b, lI really do_ 6. now that much
about the people who live here and a-__what happens during the day in Alachua.
AB: Any comments from the audience?
_.W:Idlike to make fonecomment in reference to the development and a*
growth in Alachua. AJ, I grew up here and 5ha'tTbeen some time back. The
thing that impressed me in the past ir.the busi jgs here in Alachua seems
to have been far better than it is now. And I Ooon' _n]know just why, but
;^ as I remember back during my boyhood days, everything from Enneis Motor
tA. dbwn to the Highway 441, they had businesses open through there and people
idn' have to',Kcourse I know transportation back in those days, but
people idn have to go as I, as is now,-didffiiN) have to go to Gainesville
for a lot of things that they have to go for now. Nowj another thing that I
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oW~4~RBe r th-rnig- l -would like to say, I think that if we had a.. -more
cooperation between the people of this community coming into the governmental
affairs, coming into the commission meetings and expressing themselves as to
the desires and the wishes and the needs of Alachua, then I think this would
C feO a i
help change things. But we have so few people who: 4< A[ev yn t'o
express their ideas but I noticed, ( sitting here and ve been in
one or two forumbjCImisitting here listening to things that should have been
brought out earlierGbcause I think this is fine. Mrs. Sheppard, I think
this is fine. This is one of the greatest things I think that has happened to
Alachuabut it 42;- has bothered me a little to note that we have people
who had the ability, who had the know how and who see the needs of Alachua
but yet we t get to get the the thinking of those people. I just wanted
to ^ ^'' C
AB: Okay, thank you.
TC: Mr. Watson?
BW: Just a comment concerning Mr. Welch's observations. I think the a
the announcement weekly concerning city commission meetings _i, is
not directed with enthusiasm to draw anybody here as this program Itb'Alachua
Portrait is. Many people came -d' first started here and of course they were
under the impression that it was a time to kind of some what air out towards
the city. And when they find out it was a different occasion, we lost some
of that crow.EJ ..but the city commission meetings that we have, read about
every Monday /ght at 7:30, well from my sandpoint, it has been reflected
as one of just a common norm, just a status quo, in the commission. I mean,
nothing real exciting. one thing that lends to the lack of excitement
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is not the type of government that we have and the representation r
we have, but the at-large districts we have. Alachua Sis structured like
other cities where you can have various districts but if yo nt ive in
a district, you<stI oudn be able to represent people that live there. So
we talking about we had only one black commissioner. Well, we gotZlacks
living all over town. Just like we got fiites 1wg-l over town ow.
But the commission, I can tell you tonight, I / tell you what commissioner
represents closest to my property. Because s at-large.. So I 4o have
anybody to be responsible to. Nobody has to be responsible for me. If I comment
to any commissioner on the street, by virtue of identification, they say, well
you just contact *v. Criswell," you know. Well, Rev. Criswell might not
even live in my district. I would like to see Alachua with a district system
where I would know who I could call on. You know. And/ f I feel that '
to my advantage or to my disadvantage, the annexation that Alachua has taken
on in recent months and years. I mean, they provide excellent service. Of course,
you pay for it iv\ Va' 9 3 you get it now. -tSitgi -uTurkey Creek: They
got city services and we been living in the same house over 50 years, we o
have. And je in the county. If I had an emergency at my home, whicHKw'v
had in the past, where have to call the rescue or something, I have to give
directions "Down by the big oak tree with the ribbon around it," to get to
my house because the street signs stop 7 a hundred feet fromm my house. And
he no name. We just name it North Main Street extension. tr a dirt
street)(chuckles) but we in the county. Of course of historically, we have
been able to vote in city elections but if I had desire or some of my neighbors
ha'desire to run for any city office, he would not be eligible by virtue of
where he lives. Now this area if you look on any Alachua City Map, is one
of your only areas in the middle of town (hattjust like a island.6hey've)
annexed halfway to Gainesville but we are right in the middle of town and
e'"ThDin the county.Thelast time we had street,
'B.W-: scraper to come down was 1976. He came down and tore the
water line up, the phone line up, the cable line up, and he put
his scraper back on the truck and he 5ad_' been back since_ ,
DF: Did you ask to be annexed?
BW: We idnj ask to be annexed ~Is, for reason of economics.
The reasons of economics. Thats why we 4iIdOA ask to be annexed.
JO eJO 'F 4 feel we can afford to live in thexlityxofxAitahnx.
_BW: S Qthe City of Alchua.
DF: You can't afford to live in the City of Al-,o
BW: I (donthink we can, not the people in that area. oBi
You remember Sunday we had an insert in teh! Gainesville Sun,AI'gf
/T^9 gone get out your way in a minute, that a&,,mNiNSL, briefly
showed the rates of the various communities, including Gainesville
in comparison as to utility rates, sewer, so forth.-Alachua topped
Gainesville in everything./Alachua lights are the highest. I com-
plained when I moved from Atlanta, you had the highest deposit and
I've lived in Miami, I've lived, __ wnere. T>l/s place asks for
the highest deposit, the lights are the highest and, and er in
the county and d glad d in the county and we d(_tJhave a
this modern 1983 sewer system. 4ehve. ...
D l Se F: tem -J:SI-
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BW: .,.ButC<rj glad XCeTr in the countyandrXi glad they
stopped the line at 8th Avenue and Main Br/cause otherwise,
we probably still be out in/outhousec(-
FB: I'd like to respond a little bit
BW: *p.,,.go ahead, go ahead
FB: Well, what cIl ike *tg> can respond to that. In a way,
lFe it seems to me that we can drive down,the cost of Alachua very
high in term of system. But(Che a couple things that seem to
me important. One is the cost of the sewer system is that the
installation, initial investment cost was very high. Now here's
what seems to me to be happening if I kind take an outsider view
of it. Is that some other cities, small cities have chosen not
to have u, a sewer system, 4..got water systems but e e not
well,even ES6White o have a water system,(des have a
sewer system. Other cities r' have sewer systems. They 4on
have paid professionals in the xir emergency medical services and
fire department, so Alachua has, in many ways, the full services
you would find in Gainesville or other large towns. Now__.,-. in
some respects very costly and maybe it was not a good choice
to do that. On the other hand, ^ if it does grow.- ,._somewhat_-r.
and if the other communities grow somewhat in years, what you
will find is, you will find that this will become a very good place
to live because the cost will be relatively low and the other small
towns or communities or cities are going to have to make a.major
investment and 448 t (tieyre going to have to pay through the nose
'a "-:._. ---, because you can only get so many people in an area
before you have to start providing water and sewage and other
stuff. So,leCeventually, these other towns are a get forced
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into that. So iiiere? what I would suggest that perhaps
Alachua's paying now rather than paying later. Now I realize that 's?
no solace to the people who are paying now but/that explains to
some extent ihat'.s) going on...
_: ftbftsfn-Qf U rru n- t'rTTe-' -V o i c'6' '' TaTr`g t o n ce)
DF: The thing_.;hgtiiEE that seems so strange to me is that
our city commission meets Monday X f ghts. t-s.. -- o
ijf (d.o.n-. h'know what would be a convenient night for eveyon
to get together, but for some reason, a weeknight to me, I just
aCn' go to the commission. 1 worked all day. (vefixed
supper, do the dishes, get the kids washed then they have to go
to bed so they can get up early enough that you can start the
next day all over again. ._, I don't know when would 1
a good time to go to commission meetings, but I know that there
has to be a better time than Monday fJight. 5'irI_ =S(t^ l
AB: We finally got Debbie to say the thing she regrets about
DF,-_Maybe we could all vote on that. D we have the power
to decide what we want to decide on?
FW: I think they gave you that chance once.
FW:They gave us that chance once.
DF What'dy'all decide? Monday/ights? Uui s te_
FW: Well evidently they did decide Monday
Rights. They did have --th-b. -J-4-.H it in the morning.
FW: TIey was having it in the morning.
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TC: BXl Watson?
BW: One small comment( ^; perhaps through the co resy of the
sun, the Gaitesville SM, they just print Newberry Commission-
Meetings tonight, Alachua, I think if Alachua would yt't the
agenda instead of posting it on the door. You t come down here
but once a month to try to find out a little bit about your utility
bill and then you __a and i you know,
I could mention the post office but so many of us
on' come in but once a month, so we <on get to go
down there so if you would print the agenda has going on what
you anticipate next week, thenyou know what affects you.
FB:( like to do that and we should do it at the paper. The
problem we have is that we can get, they don decide on the
agenda until after the,/t-paper has b/n published and so, usually/
.because many things come up and so usually they oj_ decide on
the agenda until a couple days before a--be-- the meeting and
so th too late for us to get in. ThIhat'sthe problem.
BW: Just like the forum here L we have had nights here where
we (di' have Sgsg .A t/L but people came because what was being dis-
cussed was relevant to them. And I think the same thing would apply
in tie~ commission meeting. Now if you gone come out here and \SuLe
T-V '(} .. .-- ** 0' 90,<q 0f
4c^<- on a -eA-; '--town, I certainly 4Gam be here but if youfriter
discuss going on down at Driltech and that ht e any
bearing on me, well, I 'mg take the old 1933 attitude, and say
"Well, they jF -do what they wantD do anyway."
TC: Let's move to Mr. Gino Cavaceppi right now, who'll
_.fact h been here fifteen years? but ^ still on the
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panel tonight and d, hopefully get his perceptions of what he
sees in Alachua.
GC: Well, I first moved to A464Wa because my wife was
wrk r u. ~.. s working there, but she was born here in
A( A 1_
t e ~and, well, Idn like it too much. _flmme-V ) M-4
'B-Drf^i- c i-a ni.-. --a--- _** -- '-ainti Sp I told
Charleen [his wife, Charleen Owenby Cavaceppi] was about a year,
we were there for about a year and she's well, "Let's go
to Alachua." / (sc A4 o So we decided to come back here
and, of course, my wife was living She had cu.t o(c
house and her father was sick so that was reason why we
came here. but, really, I, Xdn't like it. Too dry in winter and
I ag E, well, I ^ came in Alachua for about three days
I came to the Stades, that was about Ij years ago. and 3 liked it.
It was beautiful, have those nice hills ..,well, it was quiet, no
pollution. Then ll(% sinter .-re no bugs either r) Mr
but anyway we vovwc here and haI's about et years that
we are here. t saw some improvement since
I_ been here. well)we had the Hitchcock's,
with everything you want/ 4__A
you 2tLAi find many things. The city was kind@ bare, all the
buildings in bad shape. Culturally, __
-____ _____ ___ ~v the downtown a little
c j-P *rZ Q4_ UA -
A <1--JJut, anyway, then I was .happy here. naturally for everything
that people complains about .the bills and everything, the (AJL/ J
system, -' and, of course, some
people tried to. vote against it. I did too,, because
. X ., f -7t Co end,,! / y
S ____ __indD pay $3,000 and every year "__ just to make
V + qo, Kind expensive and, to me, it do make a
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difference where the water goes,(laughter) M
TC: As long as it o stay/ e I -"- .
_GC: __________ now gRe-eyreealizing
that -. they are losing money on the system. The system's
losing morey. Even if we made more than anybody else in Florida.
But =they should have known that before. But,..J f course p
Iota ^ here they don't have E Bniar engineers to explain
everythingOand one of the things I want to say, you know, I
I come from Rome, Italy, and of course, ~ Rome have the experience
of thousands of years as you know /and g, the- government w rtcS
Q different systems and the rezoning is saseds different systems.
And one of the problem I saw here in the city, in the city
K _> I mean In Rome, you din wnsa decide
where to build something. The government tells you where to
build something. And the engineers are the ones decide about
1iTvLc/<e- f Cv (6-c <I i e / *
about that. Here/ to far away7 _G_ _Sd_,c_ O
are too far away. It costs money to bring the water there, to
bring # Q l 4;u So (\s one of the things that
made the city broke and 4 ,A/\ ^ of course the commission,
you can come to the meeting but when efey'- made up their minds,
they on' want to change it. Tijey have their own idea how things
t i / ^jiNQ As--u 61Q-. A<i^_
o.-_.Q '^ rot>sJ t r;Tfleers or ot Well, I would have
felt much better PSr separate Turkey Creek, near the expressway,
where the MegaheeL-and is ,you know, beautiful hills. And now they
have all the cows. Have a nice a- C_/o house, on top
of hills and beautiful homes and coming from the expressway,
-y ^-* ____^ "__________________
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saying "Look, that just the place where I want to be." Well,
not that P think about having more people coming here the
city expanding, but you know, you .i chance that. One day,
A oA(. vest .KA )-oC) California. You see how many people come here
in Florida e6-Pretire, and-%, of course} ag, the lots there/have
been sold already. -- in Turkey Creek l I '" ?f-
f 1 !
They have Qm-e'(L' they have water, but they qtin] sold and
the people in A Turkey Creek, they have to pay every year taxes
for those empty lots and those taxes are very high. 1 /a c io /1V ~L
I, en \,-,_c. So this is one of the things that I actually
know that when I came to Alachua, anyway I want r dc t >
(C-_<>, _________everybody qA pronounce the name of
Alachua tegW '(chuckles) My wife says, "It's not A-lotch-a-wah,
it's A-lotch- -way, and I say "Well,4Ti afraid 4-o y- o;w
x- I think the way it was pronounced by the Indians
was A-lotch-e-weh. A-lotch-e-weh. Sounds more Indian__
But aD roughly 'more land. '
You know ilon highest place wiJtL]h- _<.Lace where Mt. Dora is?
c f... C j j I think there another spot_
^hats very high. B\ <-. panhandle but not here. Ois high
a./c\O so nice k. x e;;sQc se: Orange Lake, I thin t's
.' / '/ ^/\ i^-c ~ r L-' )
And 5Qs -S U.PPOSED.- '"BE
CC'4 ^6te Xe / bhund"ed d. ou and years ago an d/ a r-tu_.naer
wa er s t t /
you some i on?
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AB: Mr. Cavaceppi, y.t h:, as I understand it, make violins
and other instruments?
GC: fZt~ ,this is one thing I forgot.4=smaiaEfttBreq. I think
Is-fI make violins and cellos ^- I
did ^ make guitars but I don any more. I have So.-~K _','~c
Lso^j --3 t/I.- ,>5_'-S--< byN1 '' ^- ^(
AB: I' just curious. Where, where is your market for these
GC: Well, h-eyjrJ almost everywhere but p mainly I repair
instruments rather than make them. I make a few and I want to
say that / I *si8 a cello, if you know exactly what a cello is,
the history .... ...L-. ike a bass medium size _cw _,-and.
they made a doc X ntary and)of course editing
tm< A- Io,/c b ,-, 'V I / -o,
s _they got about & hours. It took three
years and a half and they have to condense to one hour and h4
told me (w l1 see it on PBS next year. So, in a certain way,
Alachua's famous. (4o*9*M4
AB: Now have you ever '1*d written back to your family in
Rome and told them about Alachua?- *VBlb how did you describe the
GC:\ ame here to the town.
AB: What did you tell PAn when they came here? Where did you
take '*tO k-4,AQo
GC: WtET, they were not here so long time. They were here only
few days i We took-fhem to Disney world. (.t's- o ..f'. :IVtce
an d4Bao-i-ud -4-a'gftgr)-' Well, they were very impressed and @4'
my sister was impressed about all those robots,.and she said when
they came out from Disney World, thought they j2 'i) a ~o t L
- ro-l c (a Because they were
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so real, those dogs that,_barko-(laughter)
AB" How ctbout in Le-eotawa here, who was, who was the first
person you met that you really remember, the most unusual person
you met when you moved here?
GC: WEll, we met/friends of my wife Swick Family, and we met
also, we met al Arthur Jr. Spencer, very good ff iliesc they
are still very good friends. I d6njVsee Arthur Jr. very often.
fne year he went into the vineyard. Italyg(m from Rome originally -
but you know, the big city -I never caredfor much. I moved in
the country() An when I bought a house, e S
__- ^2 -Get so they started to i^_. c
and wsmltrermd Arthur Jr. told me A/
I said, "Are you crazy?" YouoGf )know how much work there is."
Well, the Florida gr/Iaes actually, making grapes, require much less
work than bunch grapes from Italy, but still cdaco-->~ c<or
I think he understood now. Thai s o u work
too jju h ,.apes
AB: If I may ask you, what was, what was say different about
tjh values or customeibetween Alachua from Italy and Rome?
GC: Italy? =..well, there are many things, of course,
different. AN Americaas completely different from Europe. I
found myself out of place when I first arrived because I had
to learn everything from scratch. Just like if you go to Italy,
you have to learn all new morals and whole different way of driving -
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t,- is different, you know. Different system of social security here.
But/anl also the food. I ha some problem with the fodd. In Italy,
everything is extremely fresh when you buy in the store.
_ TC: They dot have grits in Italy?
GC: Well, we have qAt, some kind of a grits we call polenta.
m ade Ad with q very fine ground grits and
4 na, (it) actually covered AwA / with a Italian sausage
and pork and salt /s And those sausage are
_ good/ grits, e q nycr e --tt
have any / / / / /they
don' t--hetit:r/e .i .../-.- -t a/t e 'hat' t h ey\'i hv 'Ie^re./
c / V J Wy_ .Y'cgd 'o evs^ea ll
.thd~ey hOfs >; 1ppe, i-e=-r---f garlic.-
AB: How about the values in terms of the f()ily life?
_ C. -aU.. t .
GC: In Italy there's more value in the family life. Because
the kids usually whe n nthe young. Now ttlf-e e)
changing there too. The kids were never left their family too
early beca use theee is much
early. T ^ sav-ts Lcwh c \ i/\owr X because theee is much
love, especially toward the mother. when the mother,
shows, you know
usually sometimes those / those Mafia men will say "You did
that to my Oth Mother. Never!" This is true. Mother is very
important ,n family. Here the kids aftewhen they are A, they
want to leave because they want to have their own. Well, they
L e. to tw __T..-_" ,_"
have to ]- gr'... -=ait. i' .-li'er^-rit--fT-rom,---.-. -: .
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____-_,,_ .. ....on ,X family, of cY.e.~
mey a tkfr /and .mther:'b- / -but
\, \ / when--I" (/' f../ I
a, /ow whtn-/I 0o ~ak ,to' Italy/, I /, -ill take / /' )
\ ''. / -- .,/ I j 7
I/wold se em aai. Buta'a, well, I ge' ,se d now b ecause.s /
_.:_ '_a'i r is e'r:.. terrible '.\___ ..
- po llt iti-n'.
AB:An questions or comments from the audience For Mr. Ca.vaceppi?
FW: ^t Rudolf, what were some of your own experiences oer
there when you, wq w ie ( LtA/(
___RW: Well, 0 -_. I lived in L -d_ _i_,_Germany_
which is right on the outskirts of Stuttgart, Germany. I lived
you a a street and over there,
in; here we/call/streetxx/ Axxs tKBixxsxaxsxtxK it's called a
"stroffa" _._ over
here you say fortysle:-,yuu u'
and --. ;-. That.'ss--47-; S. -;-;-. u4JqSE1"iTr. say "lTll-.. .
offen.','... .. :... ..."- -- f-or, you know. That's'
the language-is different should say (Laughter)). The language
is quite different and really we had a lot of aft, Headstart
.C asses to learn the language but I really learned more from the
people, just getting out, getting to know the people and everywhere
a nli C.
I went they loved my name, "Rudolf." They -,.ti-r realty crazy about
that name over there. Ie<-yvi ,TFB .got along with everybody real
well. .At'i beautiful. At, Eueope is very beautiful to see.
.Ani, everything is full of architecture and designs of the homes
and .a' things are just,j'. i-Fte l t beautiful. I..,
AB: Do you agree with Mr. Cavaceppi that, that ah in Europe it
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seems like that that town are all laid out nicely and, and
the houses are, you know, all clean and well organized and
do you see Alachua as spreading and sprawling and out of con-
RW: I would agree with him that si over in Europe
most of the towns are in the valley. Down in the valley. to t,
it's,~]t- S-bt-t-'r-e I guess they live a lot closer. They
don't have as much Ai-land, I guess, to work with a we do in the
United States. But as far as Italian people are concerned .there
was an Italian Pizzaria. m'l-s-
GC: In Germany? (etr'*+-etsj
RW: About two blocks down from where I lived and they ~-4*..
were great people. They were from Palermo and dFt^- I can vouch
for what he said about the family. l p they were closely knitx
people and if you make a friend with .Italian people, you h really
have a friend. They are true friends. Europe
is you know .40some is Hldme.(It)s.good to become, but Europe
is_ _P_...-.-. 4'- _very it&exestiRgx educational. Ar^._-.-_-.-J-
t.4eew i-i.*, I was in the military there and tf's highly im-
AB:/Does anyone el se in the audience want m .talk about some
of the things (e discussed so far tonight?
__ : I' new to Alachua.Only been here six months N
I wake up every morning and __ spend ) min-
utes staring out my window. II believe how beautiful it
is @ :_________~- te 90 go to buy
something, everyone sis ^ helpful, and my neighbors are
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-. ... G_------- '-a........ with
AB: I'd like to disagree of/what Frank Bradley saidC 1>
(.~,;hj ra) Was thinking about it ever since when he started
giving his talk. He started talking about the Alachua as msS
maybe perched, ere. It can go, go either direction. Well t jis-e,-
that might be true but when we said that Alachua could go progres-
siveve and vital or it could remain .aslWexactly how you put itt )
The way it is. Seems to me from experience in other towns around
the country in other places, it') often not quite a choice between
becoming vital and progressiveand staying the way you are. ,O/ten-
times becoming vital ariprogressive can meet mean a loss of
Alachua, can mean people coming in and taking over city commission
and, and running the town. You know, completely .-not onlycdon'tn
you know if they represent your area but-you're' not even sure if
tfey7Ve ever set foot in Alachua. Ah. .sometimes becoming progres-
sive and w S. v.-a, modern could mean that all industry is.,rFS
oriented towards outside things gather than
-,. .. -^Uis-^F-Refeiy -srrtnd65Foer *-p-fp-it-:.-; --.---.t:-
/"ere the resources are, the resources are the town and its for
the people and.at; so I think Alachua might be perched at a
decision point, a point of changing one way or the other but a
it seems to a me that we have to be careful not to let Alachua
become just Turkey Cre with absentee people living there occasionally
and driving up utility costs. You know, we do want preserve something
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of what made Alachua Alachua and that 6oesV mean keeping things
the way they are but maybe means taking control for the people
here to take control of what Alachua is and work with the Re-iMf-'
growth or with the changes that come. W., but 'd)hate to see
the townsbecause I've seen it happen in Illinois where I grew
up and other places as well, when a big industry came in and then
the town disappeared, became known as that industry or or a place
right here in Florida, Eatonville, Florida z-whome of a famous
anthropologist named Zora Neale Hurston, a folklorist to boot, now
Eatonville is just part of Orlando and part of DisneyW* .. _r
lost its sense of place. So I think there are some things to think
about when we think about an industrial park or think about large
scale industry coming in#sVA terms of what this town might need.
~-~ r-i=L could we in Eatonixville or these other Southern towns
that have, have been submerged, could wexpii out the artists
as we did tonight? Could we point out the violin-maker? (Qsho's)
going to be on National Public Television.atW I think that one
danger with thinking about progress asSomefitthing tat going
to be good for the town...
_DF: "eiW only been to the first forum, but
anyway. In the first forum, you got the idea that Alachua was once
a farming community and, it was a farming community from the be-
ginning but now, not too much a -.a.aal Ecommunity any more
because the farmers have had to sell a lot of their land in order
to pay their debts. So 're--stuck because Alachua has to figure
out where is the money or ial1 the a&s gross national product,
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whatever,how are we going to support ourselves here in Alachu
without uG_ ? And I .-just cor know. I mean, what are
we .goFnK'do if we don't have farming here?
FB: Id ike to say one other thing about it, too. ,
. ^ __~ ~--. I appreciate your pointing that out 1 -
.,what^ FnIIsaying /. Where i see Alachua, and a-in
v only a view, is sort of perched on a, like a see-saw a little
bit and can go either way. And I d mean that but let me say
what I think of being vital Idon' think that, necessarily,
being vital for the City of Alachua is having IBM come in and buy
up everyhting and take over. In fact, I think probably my view
,I think that might ^,At4S not be vital. 4t===;a-r what I think
is vital is, I think in viewing et'-smfor instance, some of the
past forums)sa when we have had an opportunity to listen to a
lot of the people who have lived here for a long time tell about
a various things that they hacj Granted, all of it woj all
good, but what I heard is a lot of vital people and what I fear
is a sense of this vitality going out with some older generations
and not being maintained, not being kept here-with akkh/genera-
tions simply because i younger people move off are going to
move away, and < regoing to i lose this, what I think has been
in xBxy many ways, a very vital community. 4LmS mmand so
I think the opportunity is in how Alachua"A to some extent, can
retain and can keep those younger people within its ranks here
within the city and how it can attract and how it can keep
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it and in that way be vital. I certainly,would agree with you
that inviting a large organization in (t sort of turning over,
becoming a company town. In many ways and mig gi mrtv--=ii-, could
strip it of ;:ait o-f~. a lot.
AB: What (we_ seeing in changes in ~.=d the country as a
whole right now, there are employment opportunities whic1 don't
necessarily involve large scale industries for young people. hEs>..
7Q Findley for example, has her own business here. And Aie's
a young person. There% are tremendous growth in what people
are now calling electronic cottage industries, people working at
home with, with qr' computers or video. All kinds of things. rTy're>
publishing things. There are opportunities to do things at on a
smaller scale that don necessaryiliy mean large scale industry
coming in and Sil,(ha something else you have to think about
in terms Rf of Alachua.
BW: Another observation. If we look i over Alachua through
the years 7, in terms of city government and where( going.
Not so much in terms of 1 the functions of the government,
but the people that run the government. As you mentioned and
someone mentioned, that ai__have an influx of new people. And
the new people are naturally w elcome. Because if we relied on
the oldJi^ pr
the old people, prey soon 4\s -,be just two three left.
So, in the past we had certain families that has dominated the
'bt? S Do -
government system in the city but see now, I J-HLi-ere even today,
we have a mayor commissioner thats not a person that was reared
in this community. A very nice lady, very qualified lady. Well,
qo0i'' (D qy e
we eafS see more of that. We 4e-see people on the/dmmissioners,
on tJh commission, that was probably from-n.North Carolina. And
like you said, whether they have your interest at heart. Well,
Oe'Jave to wait and see but the time where we I just have the
local people participating, the big landowners, theb big
plantation owners, the big house people, that day.is gone.
And as far as going back to that, lt not going back to that.
f'-? r-o ? .-4
You oem see new faces. You'g4e see people running Alachua that
av-en'tbeen here long enough to vote. Yfaa -For the days
of the_>-+e old Alachua Farming town .we can just read
that in the history books. We on the move and these new people
coming hx here, they coming for progress and Alachua is not
g40Q become a company town. Becausif) s too many different
ideas here and we' small because ,Xof our nature. re
small because Gainesvillej x 's so convenient. We let them
have the hustle and bustle and we have somewhere to go. We can
go to Gainesville to shop but we know we can come here to
ePace. So I think Alachua is-a we w ebrowin g ut we not
going to be a company town. thJRkxyoxxx
AB: Thank you.
_OW: So far as Alachua's concerned, it used to be an agri-
cultural town. And since agriculture's almost on the divide,
then we have to think in terms of other directions. Now you
talking about the young people If there sjTiIt anything to keep
them here, tji_ going elsewhere. Now you talk about industry,
I' j not talking about smokestacks like you said, Pittsburgh or
or New York or Chicago, or wherever, talking about light industryC
Like Driltech. You could have some more Driltech Companies comirT
into Alachua, support Alachua and then you will keep these yquung
people here. But, otherwiseras soon as they get years
peo ple here. But, otherwise as soon as they get <rf-1 9Jyears
h ~~~~~~~J 7:
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of age.aBoomF t-heyxz/gone.
_ MH'jJ have to do like we always done.CWee always
(tis8 cE-^.osve to Camp [landing or to Gainesville or
what and ht what a lot of kw-are doing. (Itll, ), S be
like that right on if <_'like this but -ti been done all
my life. J;- has Jok B depended on one little town here and
At*we had a big farms around but, 'just like you said, they
c(an make it-t threg five or ten-or
Wh&at-everwI dce1 ^==== Lot of th'aths'still going on but we
do have a lot of farmland, if you get out and ride around.
AB: Okay. I think< g[(t'3 starting to get a little late.
I want to wrap things up here.