Title: Interview with Mrs. Charlie H. Moore, Mrs. Rose Sampson Carter (August 3, 1969)
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Title: Interview with Mrs. Charlie H. Moore, Mrs. Rose Sampson Carter (August 3, 1969)
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Language: English
Publication Date: August 3, 1969
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Spatial Coverage: Lumbee County (Fla.)
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Funding: This text has been transcribed from an audio or video oral history. Digitization was funded by a gift from Caleb J. and Michele B. Grimes.
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Source Institution: Samuel Proctor Oral History Program, Department of History, University of Florida
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Subject: Mrs. Charlie H. Moore
Mrs. Rose Sampson Carter
Interviewer: Adolph dial
8-3-1969
D: This is August the 3rd, 1969. Adolph Dial speaking and here at the home of
Mr. C.H;'Moore and also sitting with us today is Mrs. Rose Catter. Both these
women have passed their 80's and both are widows of well-known families among
the Lbmbee Indians of Robeson County. Mrs. C.H. Moore, how old are you?
M: 82.
D: Mrs. Rose Cdrter, how old are you?
C: I'll be, 18th of August, I'll be 84.
D: How many in your family? I believe your father had a large family?
C: Had 23 children.
D: That correct Mrs. Caster?
C: Um-um.
D: Alright. A family of 23. Well that's a, that's certainly is a large family.
Now I believe you say you are the, you two are daughters of Mr. William Sampson?
C&M: Everet.
D: Oh, excuse me, correction. Mr. Everet Sampson: and your, his father was Mr.
William Sampson. Is that correct?
C&M:Yes.
D: Alright and his wife was Mary Dial?
C&M:Yes.
D: Now is she was of the Nat Dial ?
C&M: NO.
D: Where did this Dial?
C&M:_
D: Where, where did this Dial live?
A\, He lived down here.





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D: At, at close to ?
t, uh-uh.
D: She was probably some relation, I, I wonder I think all the Dials go hack to
the same Dial. I'm a Dial myself. I think all the Dials, everyone of them
in Robeson County I believe again, got to go back a few generations you know.
M: Not the first, my grandmother and that those was so close.
D: Your grandmother and Nat Dial were first cousins. Mrs. Moore where did you
attend school?
M: Over on.
D: The old, the old Mrs. Carter, where did you attend?
C: I didn't attend much no where. what you call the Ferry Dial
School.
D: Now where was the Feery Dial School located?
C: It was back over here.
M: Across the river.
C: Across the river.
D: Across the river. Near where? ?
C&M: No. Harper's Ferry.
D: Near Harper's Ferry?
M: Um-um.
D: That must be in the area of where Mrs. Mary Dial lives now?
M: Um-um.
D: Cuz that was called the old Ferry Dial School. Now who was Ferry Dial?
M: Well his, some of the Dials I couldn't tell you just who her parents who.
D: Mrs. Carter as you recall what was the old Ferry Dial School like?
C: Well it's just a small school.
D: One room? Who was your teacher?
C: Henry Lowery.





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D: Mr. Henry Lowry, I see. And was Mr. Henry your teacher at one time?
M: No. I didn't, wasn't old enough to go.
D: How about Mr. and Mrs. Locllear? Or W.L.Moore? Did he teach any of you?
M: Didn't he teach?
D: Do you recall any of your teachers Mrs. Moore? Do you recall any of their names?
M:' Mr. Foster.
D: Mr. Foster: Sampson?
M: Mr. Osker.
D: Mr. Qsker Sampson?
M: Major Lowry.
D: Oh yes. Mrs. Nancy Lowry She's still living isn't she?
M: Um-um.
D: Yes, I want to talk with her. And you recall anymore of your teachers Mrs.
Carter?
C: I believe Mr. Henry was my teacher for school I went to.
D: Mr. Henry, now your read well, Mrs. Carter. You received most of your education
down at home?
C: Well I ain't got much education.
D: Well now.Mrs., Mrs. Moore I know you read well. Where did you learn to read?
M: I learned it, Mr. Ashton. I believe went to
D: Um-um. Are you Hope?
M: No.
D: This Sally -here and Mr. Wayne Sampson, he was a minister was he not?
M: Yeah.
D: Now he lived long, long time ago, I suppose. You wouldn't know when he was
born?
C&M:No.
D: Would you, do you remember when he died?





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C&M:No, oh, yeah.
D: When did he die? About when?
C: I couldn't tell you the date.
D: But was it!0, 30 years ago, 40?
C&M:_
D: Was he an old man when he died?
C: Yes sir. He was 70, 2 I believe.
D: Um-um, do you anything at all about his work as a minister?
C: No sir, I don't.
D: Do you Mrs. Moore?
M: Yes, I heard him pray many a time.
D: You heard him pray. Was it good prayer?
M: For that day.
D: For that day. In other words it, how would you say his sermons were different
from sermons of the day?
M: I don't know what
D: Perhaps a little more on the emotional side?
M: I don't think so.
D: Now when you all were children did they have what they called the big meetings?
The August Revival, as far back as you can remember? Did you have the August
Revival?
M: Yeah.
D: Mrs. Carter?
C: Yes.
D: Um-um. That August Revival as far back as you can remember?
C: Um-um.
D: Now what was this August Revival like? When you were a child? Will you explain
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C: Well you just attended meeting it's in the entire, it has a week's meeting.
D: A week's meeting, would they have it in the after noon too?
C: Yes sir. Have two sermons a day.
D: What would you do for lunch?
C: We carried it with us.
D: Oh yes, you'd have a big dinner. It was a big day wasn't it?
C:
D: It was a big time, um-um. I see. And they would call for converts to what we
call the morning bench, I believe. This was, I suppose all of the churches in
the area have what we call the morning bench back in that day?
C: Yes sir.
D: Do you recall any hard stories told by your father or your grandfather or any
of these stories that were handed down along the line of hard work? Some of the
work that they did, or some of the stories of walking to to get
food. Did your grandfather, where did he shop, Mrs. Moore, Mrs. Carter? Where
did your grandfather William Sampson shop?
M: Up in Lumberton.
D: Or up in Lumberton but did you ever hear any of them talk about walking the
table for groceries and so forth. Some of the old timers went to
Mrs. Carter?
C: I've heard about it but I didn't know about it.
D: Yeah, um-um.
C: these boys walking, it's up there,
D: Yes, you, you've heard, of, repeat that.
C: I said I've heard of people a walking groceries.
D: I see. Would they walk a railroad?
C: I don't know how they went.
D: Maybe they followed the old Lowery Road. Now, um, what about the occupation





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other than farming. What did some of these men do?
C: They worked turpentine.
D: Oh the turpentine industry. Can you remember when they worked in turpentine.
C: No, but when my daddy worked turpentine.
D: Do you remember when some of the people here in this area went over, went away
down into Georgia to work in turpentine?
C: Yes sir. Two older brothers went.
D: Did they ever return?
C: Oh yes.
D: Um-um. Many of them went into Georgia, never did return didn't they?
C: Some of them.
D: Um-um. Yeah, some of them married down and some of the offspring are still in
Georgia. Now in addition to turpin, the turpentine industry, by the way, well,
what about the turpentine industry? What was it like? How would they do it?
C: Well they'd cut notches in the trees, pine trees and, and that, and they'd chip
it, they called it, chip it and it'll drain down you know. And then they'd
take a dipper and a bucket and dip it out.
D: How often would they go around to the trees to dip it out?
C: Well I don't remember that but I remember my daddy use to go Monday morning and
stay till Friday night, for he'd come home.
D: How far away, where was he doing this work?
C: Well now I don't know where it was at. It's not clean out of the country
D: Did you ever hear any of them, either one of you talk about rasping logs down
on Lumber River? And to the to Georgetown? Would you tell us
something about that?
C: Well I don't know nothing much about it. But I know when he use to do that
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D: Um-um.
M: Put them down on these logs, together and float them down the river.
D: Put a bundle of logs together and float them down the river?
M: Um-um.
D: And I believe they'd go all the way to Georgetown, South Carolina.
M: I don't know.
D: You don't know how long they'd be gone on these trips do you?
M: No, I don't remember.
D: What about some of the other work, other than farming and the turpentine industry?
C: I don't remember the other work.
D: What about rails or cross ties?
C: Yeah, they cut cross ties. rails. Um-um.
D: Now I'm sure that your father was living during the day of Henry Barry Lowry?
Was he not?
C: Yes sir.
D: Now as you look back at some of the stories told to you over the years, do you
consider that Henry Barry Lowry, was, although he was a bandit or an outlaw. Do
most of the Indian people respect him quite a bit today?
M: Yes sir.
D: Yes, that seems to be the answer for most that they had a great deal of respect
for him. How do you feel, Mrs. Carter that they could justify this respect for
a bandit? Why do people feel that he did so much for good? Did he feel, do
most people feel that he made a contribution today to the Indian race?
C: Oh, I don't know.
D: Mrs. Moore, do you feel that Henry Barry Lowry made a contribution to the Indian
race or did some good for them?
M: Yes, I think he did.
D: I see, that's, well I think so too. Do you recall any stories in regard to





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Henry Barry Lowry, that you remember as a childhood and ever coming by your
fathers' home? Did you ever hear him tell about or your grandfather or just
anything that you recall?
C&M:_
D: Or any robberies or anything? Mrs. Moore?
M: No.
D: Do either of you remember any of the people, do you remember when they use to
take their wagon and go down to the coast, which is about 90 miles away for a
week or two fishing?
C: No sir. I don't know much about their going to the beach and things.
D: But you remember hearing your parents tell about it?
C: Well I heard them say it, tell about these covered wagons going north.
D: Um-um. Now.
C:
D: Do you remember the library?
C: Oh yes.
D: What was the libraries like?
C: Well, you get a bunch of men and they'd have their logs sawed down and they'd get
men and have hand fights to tote the logs and take horses along, two of them.
You'd throw them together.
D: Was life pretty tough in those days?
M: No.
C: No.
D: Did they have a big crowd together when they'd have the log rolling?
C: Yes.
D: Mrs. Moore, you remember the log rolling too?
M: Yes.
D: I guess then, that they'd have a big -tgatri what were some of the other social





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get together? Now this was a working party but it was somewhat a get together,
a social, a part of the sociallife too. Back when you were a child, what were
some of the occasions that the people would get together and what would they
do?
M: The women would have these quiltings
D: Make quilts and
M: Yes.
D: What, would, would the men ever come to the quilting parties.
M: Some of them would, had a cousin that was-friend of the woman's.
D: Oh, some of men would quilt.
M: Um-um.
D: Um-um. Do you remember any male mid-wives?
M: One.
D: Who was this one?
M: Mr.
D: Yes. I've heard of him before. You know any male mid-wives other than Mr.
William Donald Oxamine', Mrs. Carter?
C: No sir.
D: He's the ohly one you know of?
C: Yes sir.
D: Well Mrs. Carter, what was the corn shucking like?
C: Well they'd, they'd do that at night, come shuck corn over night and then they'd
eat when they got through.
D: What else other than the log rolling and the quilting parties and corn shucking,
what else did they do?
C: I don't remember.
D: You don't?
C: Anything else.





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D: Mrs. More?
M: What were we saying?
D: Do you remember any get together other than quilting parties, log rolling and
corn shuckings?
M: No I don't.
D: Someone told me sometimes when they'd have the corn shuckings, they'd have a
jimmy-john in the center of the corn. Did you ever hear of a jimmy-john?
M: No.
D: Did you ever hear of a jimmy-john? What was a jimmy-john?
C: Well, I don't remember any of them been at our home.
D: Wasn't it? But was a jimmy-john?
C: It was something to drink I reckon.
D: I guess when you shucked the corn and got to the jimmy-john, they a, they a,
drank some and had a good time. Before some of the families which were pretty
much church goers, I suppose they didn't go where the jimmy-john didtthey?
C: I don't know.
D: Mrs. Moora when did you marry and what was your husband's name?
M: Married in 1911, marry Charles Happy Moore.
D: Charles Happy Moore. C.H. Moore. What are some of the interesting stories
you remember about him and I think out of all the people I've known he was
for education about as much as anyone I've ever known. Would you tell me some-
thing about he and his struggling for an education? Going to school and so
forth?
M: Well, I don't know very
D: How many children do you have?
M: Seven.
D: Seven. How many completed high school?
M: All of them.
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D: Now how many completed college education? How many completed college education?
M: Five.
D: Five completed college and the other two attended college? Well that was, that
was certainly a good record, the, do, was it difficult to send these children
to school?
M: It surely was.
D: And low did you do it?
M: I don't know, myself.
D: You don't know yourself. But it was certainly a hard time. Now your husband
finsihed his college education after he married didn't he?
M: Yes.
D: Now your a, your husband was a son of W.L. Moore. Is that correct?
M: That's right.
D: What was W.L. More, in your estimation, if someone asked you about him, what
would you say?
M:
D: Do you consider him a leader?
M: Yes.
D: You would consider him a leader back in his day, Mrs. Carter do you know W; L.
A Moore?
C: Yes.
D: Mrs. Carter, way back in your day who were some of the outstanding leaders when
you were a child and people that your parents talked about. Would you mention
three or four, four or five of the leaders among the Indian people?
C: No sir, I, my mama just might stay in the family.
D: Well that's all right.
C: Uncle Oscar and Uncle Josh was the teacher in the family.
D: Do you consider Mr. Henry Lowry a leader in his day?





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C: Yes sir.
D: W.L.Moore?
C: Yes sir.
D: Any others that you'd consider, I know you can't make it a law that might be,
Mr. Anderson Locklear?
C: Yes sir.
D: Would you agree with all of these, Mrs. Moore?
M: Yes.
D: Do you know of any more you might want to add to the list? Mr. Anderson. Mr.
____, Mr. ___, Mr. Oscar Sampson.
M: Mr. Henry Lowry.
D: Mr. Henry Lowry.
M: Well I don't
D: They were pretty much in the line of education, were they not? Back in
his day?
M: Um-um.
D: Course you could go even back beyond they say, I suppose you get into some of
the leaders maybe who wertnot educators men like Mr. George Lowry and Mr. Why,
UIicle Watch Lbwry they called him. _. Did you know or know
of Mr. George Lowry?
C: No,
D: Did you Mrs. Moore?
M: No, I can't seem to.
D: Um-um. Well thanks for the interview, Mrs. Rose Carter, Mrs. C.H. Moore and
Mrs. John Carter. Thank you alot. Two sisters in their 80's. Two of the family
of 23, 23 brothers and sisters, that is half-brothers and sisters, and whole
brothers and sisters.





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