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LUM-205A 7 f
INTERVIEWER: Adolph Dial
INTERVIEWEE: Daniel E. Lowry pwh
DATE: September 8, 1971
D: Today is September 8, 1971. I'm here at the home of Mr. Edwin Lowry.
Is that your name?
L: D.E. Lowry.
D: D.E. Lowry. What's the "D" stand for?
L: Daniel. Daniel Edwin Lowry. D.E.L. Lowry is my 4ull initials.
D: How old are you, Mr. Lowry?
L: I'll be ninety in the third day of next month.
D: Your health still good?
very yo-e'
L: Yes, my health's beenegood, all theA, all the while. I can't do
nothing much. I work as hard as I can, but I can't...what I used to
do in an hour, takes me two hours to do it now. So, my health though,
somewhere in my feeling I feel good all the time.
D: What do you contribute your good health to?
L: Distribute my good health to? Well, a lot of it's from my activities,
my getting up and moving, going on, I never did sit down because I
felt bad. I generally worked that off.
D: What was your parent's name, Mr. Lowry?
L: Well, my father was J.W. Lowry, James Lowry, James F. Lowry. My mother
was Mandy A. Lowry.
D: Were you any kin to Henry Barry Lowry?
L: He wasmy uncle.
D: Henry Barry Lowry was your uncle? '. V
L: Yeah, my daddy's brother.





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D: And your dad was James F. Lowry?
L: Yeah.
D: I see. Was Mr. Calvin Lowry brother to James F.?
L: My father, and uncle ______, Uncle Calvin, and Uncle and
Uncle Patrick, and Uncle murAcocYK, and one or two more, y ,KnoAthey
was two of them killed in the Civil War.Back there, my granddaddy and
my oldest uncle.
D: Yes, uh huh. Now, yes, I see. Now in your opinion, what do you think
happened to Henry Barry Lowry?
L: Well, that's something I've never known, only just what I could think
of. Now, back then, people back in them days, late at night, they
didn't talk. I got my daddy off after I was grown. We'd hunting
landmarks to put down, to his land that had been laid off. Now I got
him off in the woods outside that he wouldat tell me. I asked him,
I says, "Paw, what--whatever happened to Uncle Henry? Was he killed,
or did he just disappear?" He said, "They said he was," and that's
just as fer as he ever went. They said he was killed, but I never did
believe he was.
D: You think he went away?
L: Yeah, he just disappeared.
D: What makes you think he went away?
L: Well,one thing he, they claimed that he killed hisself at his, another
Lowry fella's house--
D: John Lowry.
L: Yeah, killed hisself a drawin' a load out of his gun. I had a gun
a setting' up on the block of the house, and drawin' aload out of it.
Well, one thing makes me doubt that he didn't have to set the old-timey
guns up somewhere and draw a load out. AAnywhere, from five to six feet





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long, you can set it anywhere on the ground, and I don't believe he
done that, and then another thing, my second oldest sister, my daddy's
first children. Now he was married twice, these was his first children.
She was a little girl, she said she was at Grandmaw's whenever the
word come to her that Henry Barry had killed hi-- he was dead. And
W ofY had said that Grandmaw was just grave and distracted, just
walking and wringing her hands. And I asked her why a-man's wife, where
they said he was killed come there, and took Grandmaw off around in
back of the old smokehouse, and talked to her a little while. And she
said whenever Grandmaw come back, all of her bad feeling and sorry
looks, sorrowful looks was all gone, that she never did Atar
aan say another thing about it. So I--
D: Who was that now?
L: one of the boy's wife where they said...
D: Tom Lowry's wife, wasn't it?
L: Yeah, so that made me believe that she got good news from Aunt
when she come there. She knowed she'd be worried, the news had....
D: But who got the good news?
L: Well, Aunt come and brought it.That's where they said he'd killed
hisself at. And she come and took Grandmaw around back of.the old
smokehouse, and stayed around there and talked with her.
D: What was your grandmother's name?
L: Polly.
D: Oh, yes, Polly. And Polly was the..., Yes, I see.
L: Yeah, Uncle Henry had a girl, I believe, named Polly.
D: Yeah, um, hmm.
: ~ -~ -Aun\-tcacs and I believe there was two of them up
in there, I remember seeing them, and I remember seeing Aunt hd, ,





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I never did see Uncle Henry.
D: And Henry Barry Lowry had a daughter named Polly.
L: Yeah.
D: And a son named what? Henry Delaware, or was his name Henry Junior, the
one whe was killed in Mississippi?
L: I don't know what his name was. I never did learn his name. I just
knowed that he had a boy that lived here.
D: Yeah, Henry Delaware, they said he was killed in Mississippi. Said
that he killed a man,-the man killed him, and they both died at about
the same time. So you would rather believe that Henry Barry Lowry went
away, would you?
L: He just disappeared somewhere, other than that I don't, I j1never
believe he was killed. -Ancd -th J Coorak d'ed I heard tell of talking
to him, Lc-' Old Id- o'J;e lt. that he had died up here. She said
that she met Uncle Henry in the old mill6renc just aside of Redmond
Walker's old place there, you know that old behncJ that goes into the
river there. T .' .
But it was anear long that branch then. And they said she met Uncle
Henry there that evening after they said he had killed hisself. Just
between sunset and dark. Said he told her that he was supposed to be
dead, says "I will be dead around here 'cause I'm leaving ya"' And that's
as fer as I ever knowed about that.
D: And who told that story?
L: Old lady Jlie .e, e dcLi The old mother oA-c grandmother that's
company up here. You knowed Lottie)jd,)/ / a- ?
D: Yeah.
L: Well, it was her mother.
D: Did, let's see, is your wife some relation to the Strongs?





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L: No, no, uh, Uncle Henry's wife was one of the Strongs, and she had
two brothers, that was, went with Uncle Henry in the woods, outlawed
with him.
D: Andrew and Boss.
L: Andrew and ...
D: Boss.
L: Yeah, Andrew and Boss. They was Aunt odRs brothers.
D: As you look back on the Lowry gang today, do you feel that they made
a great contribution to the Indian people?
L: Yeah, I-de, I think they done them bee good. I thought several times
since then, that we needed some more like them.
D: Yeah!
L: I don't know it would do, but... laughter)
D: Hmm.
L: They was dreaded, but I, I read in a book of history, they said there
was one thing you could say about them: They would never know me in
the fear of the woman.
D: That's right. Good reputation. Do you recall any interest in Lowry
stories, or anything like that? O things that people told about them?
Oj IL
L: Oh, well, I can remember some old tales that was told about them, ar
they was trying to condemn them. You know they done everything they
could to treat them so bad, they'd run them away and take their land,
they took a lot of folks' land, and they tried them, but they never
could do nothing with them.
eC(
D: Do you think a lot of people was connectig with the gang, who
helping them hide out, and ?
L: They happened to have some friends.outside,--l've been told, of them
having good friends, mostly white people. They never were !?, ',1..





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And they had to have some to get by like they did.
D: Um, hmm.
..b'ou5 ujaS
L: .ball in the woods. All of them aoorC Sed6aU They tried to make
them go to war, Civil War and fight. But they wanted to work them
as slaves, but there's no money in that. There's no, no afterwards
for that. And these boys told them they'd go, if they'd give them
a gun, but they weren't going there and work as a slave for nothing.
And that's what they was outlawed for. So, they done everything
they could to against them, and there was an old fella down between
here and Lumberton, that come up, they claimed it, now you know it
was bitterly agin' the law for you to buy anything from a Negro.
That was against their rules. And he come up there, he said that
they was some of his Negroes stole some hogs and sold the meat to
my daddy, my granddaddy, and he come up there to search and he
found it hid in there and heAmy daddy, my granddaddy had the same
mark. People marked their hogs then And they had the same mark,
ear-
and he come outta there, _fork to the left hee and a
IN
round hole to the right. My daddy used that mark. He come up there
and found that hog had with that mark. And he said that it was
them that stole his hogs, and there it was, but his hi hogs all
had the same mark. So they couldn't do nothing with that, but that's
the tale they told to try to OLLn+rLl4b^ A and they found out that my
granddaddy's mark was the same thing, t- -'hC Ud/'-/n 0/ 1/7Al.
They tried several times, in different ways, to condemn them, but it
was hard for them to do.
D: You're the same relation to Henry Barry Lowry as D.F. Lowry, aren't
you?
L: Yeah.





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D: Who was your first teacher in school?
L: What?
D: Who was your first teacher?
L: First teacher? Henry Lowry.
D: Henry Lowry. DidIe ever comment on Henry Barry Lowry?
L: Never did hear him mention him. He wasn't none of them older folks
that talk about it.
D: He just wouldn't talk about it.
L: Now, I 've hear'n Bill say that he had seen Uncle Henry. He's the
only one I ever heard mention it.
D: What did Uncle...What did Mr. Billy Lowry think happened to him?
L: Well, he thought he, he didn't think he was killed. He just thought
he left and got away. Some folks said that the Yankees got him away
from here. He left here with the Yankees.
D: Where did you go to school, your first school?
L: What?
D: Where did you attend your first school?
L: Right up here at this house where that pine thicket goes up to the
house. That's the old schoolhouse where,I forget the man's name that
lived there but, right up the road there just the other side, just...
-t'a -he c e C_, -JC, be th-e 4ri'C oJ-/ ,6 place, that
house setting out there, that house sitting' out there in that pine
thicket.
D: What was the name of the school?
L: The Dial School.
D: The Dial School.
L: That's where I went to school.
D: Did you ever go to Hope?





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L: No.
D: To the Normal School?
L: No.
D: Where do you think our people came from originally? Do you have any
idea? Do you think we're descendants of John White's Lost Colony?
Do you think our people were originally at Roanoke Island?
L: Well, I don't know. I never got far enough in the books to read the
'CM,
history or nothing. I don't know anything about eajust whattI hearing
people say. I hearing' some say they was, and some say they weren't,
I don't know.
D: Now what was your mother's name?
L: Mandy.
D: Lowry?
L: Well, she was a, she was Sanderson.
D: Sanderson. Who ias some of her people?
L: Well, William Sanderson was her daddy, and Willie Sanderson was her
half-brother. Her daddy was married twice.
D: What's your granddaddy's name, do you recall? On your mother's side?
L: William.
-JTRat WCad
D: /our- grandfather?
L: Yeah.
D: And do you know what your great-grandfather's name was?
L: No., if I did hear them say, I couldn't, don't remember.
D: Did you ever go down to Georgia and work any?
L: To Georgia?
D: Yeah, in turpentine?
L: No. I had some brothers that went down there but 1 never did go
down there.





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D: When did they go down there?
L: Oh, it's been, whenever I was a small boy.
D: When you aes small. Do you remember them going?
L: Oh, yes. I remember them going and coming back.
D: You was about ten years old, was it around 1890 when they went?
So6eihLere''s
L: When-r-wa around ten years old, whenever they come back.
D: 1890. Do you remember any stories they told about being in Georgia?
D: A 1890. Do you remember any stories they told about being in Georgia?
L: No, I didn't hear them talk or nothing on it, about the Negroes and
the white people. They, no Indians down there, was just a few that
lived along at that time down there worked turpentine.
D: Well, what did pur people do for schooling when they went down there?
L: Well, they didn't, I don't, they didn't go down there and raise
families. This fella, that he got old enough to work turpentine, this
turpentine moved from here down to Georgia, and they all worked
turpentine here, but when the turpentine run out down here, it was just
in full bloom down in there, and there's lots of the folks that left
here and went down there. My oldest half-brother, tuwrda6CK oLrf, kL uenlt
down there, and two more of my brothers. Well, A[lfrdoCk went down
there, he had bought him a piece of land down there on the river, and it
was hard to get hold of the money, and there was, that's turpentine about te, on(f
w;nq a man, a poor man could getta hold of any money. He went down there to
get his place paid for. : I41Kn kQe b4- one or two years, but he
got his place paid for before he'd come home.
D: Do you remember Rhoda Lowry? Do you remember ever seeing Rhoda?
L: Rhoda?
D: Yeah.
L: Yeah.
D: Do you remember it?





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L: That was Uncle Henry's wife.
D: No, I mean Henry Barry's wife, Rhoda, do you remember her?
L: Yeah.
D: Yeah, your Uncle Henry, yes. Do you remember seeing her?
L: Yeah.
D: Did you ever talk with her any?
L: I wasn't nothing' but a boy, but I was with my mother andAher and Ma
but /lo
talkedA.asd- I wasn't payin' no attention to what they was talking'
about.
D: Was she a beautiful woman?
L: Yes, they called her- the "Queen of cffltfow4'".
D: Um, hmm.
L: That's as far as I know she was a good-lookin' woman, uh, Boss and
Andrew's sister.
D: Um, hmm. Did you, when you attended school the first years, was it
all just for the Idians or were the blacks at the school too?
L: No, there were no, no I never did, there never was no black people in
the schools that I went too then.
ol ,brtes + > Corse
old brothers, {ht d$orC acl -46 Qo 64u sco. Bte they didn't want to
r wteren't'
go, but they went, no Conxu/psui O My daddy, didn't...my Uncle
Calvin, and Aunt made their children go.
D: Well, do you think it was better to attend school with the blacks or
not go at all?
L: Well, it was betterthat to see Aunt or Aunt and Uncle
Calvin's children, pretty near all of them is pretty well educated.My
daddy wouldn't make his go with them, and they, we all come up and
there wasn't none of us, hardly more than able to write our names.
D: So the people who got educated back in those days went with the black





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people, didn't they?
L: Yeah.
D: Of course, today they are going with them so...
L: Yeah, well the Bible says, "What has been will be, and what will be
has already been." So, it, it...Time repeats itself over and over.
You live long enough to see it.
D: Where have you churched most of your life?
L: Well, I was ten years old before Hopewell was ever built, and you
see that _lS of my community -wat- attended church at New Hopes,
until they got tore up there and got split up and the church got
burned out.
D: Did New Hopes burn?
L: Yes, and they left there then, and come over here wanting to call
-The rRoC c-here
The Crossroads, up Hat-wAt~the Crossroads, and build a harbor there,
and they churched there for about two year, and then they went and
built Hopewell. And I was about ten years old when they finished
Hopewell, the first revival they had there. The first time that I
ever, well, it was the first church I ever went to that I could call
my church.
D: When did you leave Hopewell and go to Pleasant Grove?
L: Uh?
D: When did you leave Hopewell and go to Pleasant Grove?
L: Whenever Hopewellleft the Methodist Conference. ihie-h the: pt:.iRea ot-
(rore tCl n;n\k ca-rs Ieoc_ -fk.e- -, -- Conference.
D: You went with...
L: ...left and moved on down the road there. They had a three-days
+Thcre-
conferencekat Hopewell, trying to show them where te ous5 TV&ketkod;s
Sd -Liey-'d hate to leave the Conference, they couldn't convince them,
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but whenever they come, they come to a vote the last day, and told
us that if there as anyone there that wanted to remain in the old
Methodist church that +-til't 5e hcE. 4 6uasm have a place to worship.
D: So they built Pleasant Grove? Who was the first pastor? Moore?
L: I just remember now who was the first pastor, but we had Brother
M oore, fTxazor>A-i
Mbeoor there several years, Locklear, and they sent one
or two from the Conference, sent one or two down there. I could'-t
name all of them.
D: What caused that split between the two groups? What was back of
all of it, Mr. Lowry?
/
L: Well, the folks there down at Hopewell wanted to be boss. Thek tve
always felt like they ought to be the head of everything. That's
what caused it, selfishness.
D: Selfishness.
L: And uh...
D: Was it a split'between W.L. Moore and Mr. Henry Lowry, you suppose?
L: No, well that'sthe cause of the first tearup The first tear-up
that they had, they was all, I dunno whether he was staying in church
that night at that time, but Brother Moore and Henry was the only
two educated men that they had, and they both had good education. And
they held a meeting there, they weren't in no conference, they just,
well I did hear old man Aaron say that a elder had come
and hold their conferences, and they wanted to get out of
that. They wanted to get into-some other church, and they appointed
Henry and Brother Moore to go to an annual conference where they knowed
there was a Methodist Conference going on, to go to it, and see if they
couldn't get them to take us in here. Well, they was to leave on
Thursday. Thursday morning they was to leave to go there together. They





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was to leave at Hopes, I mean the old station over here at
Thursday morning, to go there to try to get us in with the Methodists
church. And whenever Brother Moore got there, when Thursday htorning,
inquired of them if they had seen Brother Henry,'they said,"Well,
Henry left here yesterday morning, he went yesterday morning."
Now Fuller told me that Brother Moore had sense enough to know why
Henry left him. So Brother Moore knowed where there was a, i, I forget
the name of the church now, a going on, and he caught the train and
went to the that place. When he come back he was representing' the fi,
he was representing' one conference, and Henry was representing' the
other. Well, of course, everybody over this way stuck with Henry. That
is where they busted up there. But now, Fuller told me that Brother
Moore had sense enough to know why Henry left him. He said that the
main thing Henry left for, is that he wanted to get up there and get
credit, have the credit of getting us into a Methodist conference.
That's why he left Moore, and he was scared to go along with Brother
Moore for fear that Moore would take on the conference better than
he did.
D: Bid you remember hearing Preacher Moore preachin'? Did you ever hear
Moore preach any? Did you ever hear W.L. Moore preach any?
L: Oh, he was our pastor several years.
D: Was he a pretty good speaker?
L: Yeah, as good as we've ever had.
D: How would you compare some of those old-timers like Moore with the
ministers of today?
L: Well, they, right-smart different. They are .... there's a whole lot of
difference in the way revivals, meetings was run.
D: Could Moore speak as good as any of the preachers today?





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L: He's considered the best we had, to most of them.
D: But what about today? If he was preaching today, would you rate
him with the preachers today? If he were preaching today,would you
say he could speak as well as the preachers who are preaching today
L: I believe he could. Brother Moore knowed the Bible, and he was an
honest-hearted man, as far as I ever seen.
D: Yeah, someone told me he could quote all four scriptures of John, and
at one time he won an award at school, not of John, but he could quote
Knew en-ti
all the four gospels, ezn=by memory, at one time. What kind of work
did you do, in your young days?
L: 1DftiV.d cut wood, hewed crossties, hewed out _0u5- --_ and stuff
like that.
D: What, how much, what was the least you ever worked for for a day,
what would they pay you?
L: Fifty-cent waS ,~oA'-( All of my early days, when I was able to
work, I didn't get but fifty-cents a day, unless I hEd a job, there
was a few jobs that I could do that everybody couldn't do. I had a
hold, of ..I got ahold of one of *Fz1' I drawing shingles,
riding boards, and stuff like that. I could catch up some, but just
that fifty-cents a day, had kept me right with my nose to the rock
all the time.
D: Did you, when you worked for crossties, did you work so much a day,
or so much a crosstie?
L: So much a tie.
D: How much?
L: Well, when I first commenced cutting' 'em, about seventy cents for the
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D: Was that just for labor or hadou furnish the wood too?
L: You had to pay for your timber out of that. Ten cents a tie.
D: What would you pay a man to cut a tie?
L: Twenty-five cents.
D: Twenty-five cents to take a log, and make it into a tie.
L: Um, hmm.
D: How many ties could a man cut in a day, and get it ready forAmarket?
oK
L: Well, a man like myself, I was not a great big man, I lo/ed--I could
use a axe pretty well. I could cut eight and ten-a day.
D: Did you ever know aman to carry two ties out at one time out of the
bay.
L: T.k -rt K), ) ?
D: Did you ever know anyone who could carry two ties on their shoulders?
One on each shoulder?
L: No!
D: One's all you could carry?
L: Weil, except for cutting them gum ties, and then I
suppose it took two to carry out one. They weigh anywhere from three
to five to six hundred pounds.
D: From how much? Six hundred?
L: Anywheres from two to three and four hundred. It takes two men, there's
lots of them that gives two men a pretty good turn to get out of /tkewuilt
with one of them.
D: They carried them all out on their back. Did they snake any of them
out with horses?
L: No, well they got to where they used: oxen to drive them out. But all
I ever cut, we toted them out.
D: Did you farm in your young days?





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L: What?
D: Did you farm in your young days?
L: Well, I farmed at my daddy's, worked on a farm with my daddy until I
was married, and then I went into farming for myself.
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D: Do you believe some of the people have always been here and owned this:
land over the many, many years?
L: Yes, I believe they have.
D: What makes you think so?
L: Well, just from as far back as I can hear people talking, they was here.
They said that the Indians was mostly settled up and down the Lumber
River. You know they around till they got that name, the Lumbee
Indians.
D: You like that name?
L: Well, I don't think, I like it better than the one we had before.
D: Um, hmm. What happened that made the people not like the Croatan name?
L: Because I never did see nobody could tell me what the Croatan meant.
Some satd it was one thing, some said it was another. I just didn't...
D: Would the white people use that name to throw off on the Indian people?
L: Yeah! Then they found out the Indians didn't like it, they loved to
throw off, throw it at them if they weren't scared.to. Sometimes
they scared to do it. Some of them would fight them in a minute if they
called him a Croatan.
D: How many children you have, Mr. Lowry?
L: Well, we raised eight, lost two or three.
D: Um, hmm. Now what are those children doing? Any of them go to school?'
L: Oh, they all went to school. I sent all of them to school. IJl irl. f sh l
D: Did all of them graduate from college?
L: Yeah.





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D: I-r_'_ 5 Jor Se Harvey, Henry Ford and who was another one?
Her ) ry ^r-rt
L; *Ai I Ti .ip F &e Harvey. Did you call him?
D: Harvey, Henry Ford and James Did you have any more?
L: Carl.
D: Cail. All four of your children are college graduates.
L: Yeah.
D: Let's see. What's Henry Ford doing now?
L: Henry Ford's in California. I don't know ihat he's doing. The same job
that he had.
D: He's an engineer, isn't he?
L: Yeah.
D: And your son Harvey works with Regal, with the pulpwood people, and
he did teach school awhile, did he? Or did he ever teach, and also
in ministry?
L: No, I don't believe he taught school.
D: Of course, your son Carl is a teacher.
L: Um, hmm.
D: And James taught too. Well, it seems you have four successful
children. Did you have any girls?
L: I had four girls and four boys.
D: Who were your girls?
L: Ken Strickland married one of the older ones, Violetta; Voyt Jacobs
?
married the next cider one, Nancy; and Oz6 married the next older
one; and Jacobs married the baby girl.
D: Did you have any trouble sending your children to school, or getting
money to send them to school? You was able to get money to send them
to school all right.
L: Well, James, 3o-rc- -, the older boy helped them through college.





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I got through with them in the elementary, in the lower grades. But
when they went to college, James helped them, all of them through there.
D: How much education were you able to get?
L: Huh?
D: How much education were you able to get?
L: Oh, I never did get...I just remember what the grades was, but I didn't
get...I just got t where I could write my name, and I never could do
much reading, I mean writing, but I could write my name, and sign my
letters _
D: Did you ever talk t anyone who went down to Fort FislVtr and worked
in the battery? Did you ever talk with anyone who worked down at
Fort Fih'r,- during the Civil War who worked in the battery?
L: No.
D: Did you ever hear any stories about what it was like down there, the
ac
boys who worked i. the battery?
L: No, that's one of the reasons, one-of the reasons that caused them
boys outlawed. They wouldn't go down there, and they uh, wanted to
-to
work them as slaves. No _j no Co.asQ el pay for what they
done, and they told them they wouldn't do it, they'd do it if they
give them a gun arid go on down there and fight for their country, but
they weren't going down there as-a slave.
D: What do you think was the, what do you think is the rone most important
thing that ever happened to the Indian people?
L: How's that?
D: What do you think is the one most important thing that happened to the
Indian people?
L: When they was separated from the Negroes, I'd say was the importantest
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D: When they got their own schools.
L: Yeah.
D: In 1885.
L: Um,hmm.
D: What do you suppose it was like at the time they were with them, back
then?
L: Well, it was, it g)t to where it was a and a scratch--,
a scratchin' a white all the time, just got to where now toat
actually my daddy's oldest children didn't get nothing, they didn't
get none, they didn't get no education, because they were about the
last ones to come out of school. They weren't the last, my Aunt _tOC/
and Uncle Calvin made their'n go, but my daddy wouldn't make his
go with the Negro, they could have went if they wanted to,.but they
didn't want to go, and let them fight all the time, and he wouldn't
make them go.
D: But his brother Calvin did?
L: Yeah.
D: Well, his brother Calvin's children, they got an education, didn't
they, anyhow, Henry Lowry? Who were some more of them?
L: Huh?
D: What children did Calvin have? D.F. Lowry?
L: He had twelve.
D: Oh, boy! Henry Lowry?
L: He had about seven boys, and three, three or five girls, I guess.
D: Yeah, all of them got an education?
L: Yeah, I believe ll of them was educated. Of course, the three last ones
was educated in the Indian schools?
D: Was Calvin the only one of the whole group of boys that made his go?





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L: I believe he was.
D: Out of about a family of ten.
L: Yeah.
D: And that was Henry Barry Lowry's brother, Calvin was? What's been
your feeling on marriage? Did you have any children to marry whites?
L: Unh,unh.
D: Um, hum. Would you prefer your children to marry white or Indian?
L: No, I prefer they'd marrieddIndians. And they all married Indians,
got just good-looking wives than them did that married amongst the
white people, and just tke good women.
D: Yeah.
L: I'm not dissatisfied with none, what none of my boys married.
D: Um, hmm. So you believe in the Indians marrying in their own race?
L: That's right.
D: Have you always been proud to be an Indian?
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D: ...~ac\eA Edwin Lowry will be ninety years old in when?
L: The third day of October.
D: The third day of October. A couple of more weeks, and he'll be ninety
yescertdoA
years old, in good health. He was out in the yard working.
What have you been, what kind of work you been doing this morning?
L: Trying to burn p the top off my old house. I had it torn down and
recovered, and there was two coats.of shingles on it. And it cost me
490 dollars to get it torn off and a new cover on, so that's where,
about as big a check that I've ever---I've cut my bank account pretty
bad, but I've still got enough to live off of, and Izhope:-enough to
bury me when I dead, die.
D: How do you feel in your old age, or your last days here about ninety





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years old?
L: Oh, I feel good, all the time, sleep good, eat good, don't eat much.
D: What was that you said a while ago, about your last days be your
sweetest days?
L: Well, I say that's what God tells us in His Word, that we can live
so that our last days will be our sweetest days in this world, and
it's proved to be so with me, I'm getting along fine.
D: You're as happy now as you've ever been in your life?
L: The further I go into Christian life the better I feel.
Yes, I feel good all the time.
D: You don't worry, ou don't worry about living a few more years, and
dying, and living in fear of that?
L: No, no, I don't have nothing to do with that. I'm ready, I tried my
best to stay ready, so when God calls me I've got nothing to do but
go. I'm willing to answer to his call anytime.
D: Very good.
L: And I've livedwith that all of my life. Now, I married when I was
twenty-two years old, and I've lived with my wife about sixty-eight
years. And she is the only woman in the world that's ever known any
thing about me. But the way we make our last days our sweetest days,
you see, we climb the mountain until we come to the top, and then
we start down, we leave the crater, and climb to the top, and then
we start down the mountain to the grave. And it depends on what we
do while we are climbing the mountain, as to what we do whenever
we are going down. If we do good deeds, live a good clean life,
we 1eaUft- tar going down to the grave. That's where
our last days can be our sweetest days. But, if we sow evil seed
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it when we go down, there they ain't so good. They're a little sour.
D: Um, hmm.





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