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LUM P75'
Date: November 4, 1973
Subject: Glenda Sue Collins
Interviewer: Lew Barton
Transcriber: Josephine Suslowicz
SIDE I
B: This is Sunday, November 4, 1973. I am Lew Barton recording for the University
of Florida. Today I am in the home of Mr. and Mrs. Redell Collins, R-E-D-E-L-L
C-O-L-L-I-N-S, and with me is another of their lovely daughters, uh, this
was Glenda Sue Collins. Uh, Glenda, do you spell that G-L-E-N-D-A S-U-E
C-O-L-L-I-N-S?
C: Yes.
B: I sure appreciate you giving me this interview.
C: Thank you.
B: Uh, I want to talk to you because you girls are all interesting, you know.
All young people are interesting, don't you think?
C: Yes.
B: They have so much enthusiasm, and so much idealism, and all those things, you
know, and they're interested in everything. The world wouldn't be the same
without young people--really a booster for young people because I think this
is our hope for tomorrow--our young people, um, I did get your name right?
C: Yes.
B: What is your age?
C: Seventeen.
B: Seventeen. What grade are you in, dear?
C: Twelfth.
B: Twelfth grade. What school do you go to?
C: Reds Springs Senior High School
B: Red Springs Senior High. Um, let's get, uh, your parents' names on here
again.
C: Mr. and Mrs. Redell Collins.


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B: Uh-huh, and very quickly iAlH you tell me your sisters' and brothers'
names? AcN
C: Barbara Ann Collins, Beverly Collins, Heroldine Collins, Jimmy Dean Collins,
Gerta Mae Collins, and Angela Mae Collins.
B: Um-hum, well we got their ages on another tape, so we won't go into the
ages.
C: I remember their ages. I'll give them to you.
B: ; kay, go ahead then.
C: Barbara Ann Collins, 18; Beverly Collins, 14 and a half; Gerta Mae Collins, 13
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and a half; Jimmy Dean Collins, 8 years old; Harold Dean, 16 and a half; and
Angela Mae, a year and eleven months old.
B: Hey, that's good. You are sharp, girl. Um, did you go to church today?
C: o. No.
B: Uh, what is the name of your church?
C: C.O.D.S. Mormon Church.
B: Uh-huh, is this in Pembroke?
C: Uh-huh (affirmative).
B: Uh-huh, what did you all talk about today?
C: One thing we talked about was during the end of the church, uh. .
B: Well, uh, you know, I--I find the Mormon church is very, uh, interesting for
one thing, because they believe in, uh, good programs for young people. Don't
you think so?
C: Yes.
B: Don't you have dances and things like this?
C: Uh-huh (affirmative)
B: Do you think this is good?
C: Yes.
B: It keeps young people out of trouble?


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C: Yes.
B: Um, do you go to the Mormon church regularly?
C: Yes.
B: I want to ask you--I've heard it said that the Mormon church is the only
church in America which is really American. Is this right?
C: Yes.
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B: And they take a lot of interest in Indian people, too, a they have a special
place in their religion for Indian people. Is this true?
C: Yes.
B: You want to tell us a little something about, uh, in connection with Indians
and all?
C: Uh, well, uh, the Indians are God's chosen people, and that the Mormon church
is the true church upon the face of the earth.
B: This is your last year in--in high school, then, isn't it?
\
C: Uh-huh (affirmative)
B: What do you plan to do when you get out?
C: Well, for one thing I plan to go to, uh, Brigham Young University in Utah for
college.
B: Is that right?
C: Uh-huh (affirmative)
B: What are you gonna major in, or have you decided?
C: A laboratory technician.
B: You want to become a laboratory technician. That's good. Have you got any
boyfriends?
C: No. (laughs)
B: I believe you're kidding me, right? I think you're kidding me, don't you
really have one?
C: No special one.


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B: Uh-huh. In other words, you don't go steady, you just--just date a little
bit?
C: Uh-huh (affirmative)
B: Um-hum, well, I think that's a good idea. You don't get too serious if you
don'tigo steady then?
C: No.
B: Um-hum. You get serious, you might get married or something before you get
ready to get married. How old do you think a girl ought to be before she gets
married?
C: Well, at least 21.
B: At least 21. I think that's--that's above the average of marriages among
young people. I think it's good to--to wait until you're sure about the
person you want, you know, don't you?
C: Uh-huh (affirmative)
B: You can get in too much of a hurry, I guess. I know a lot of people have done
that. I was talking to Gerta Mae yesterday, and she was telling me about, um,
some of the sports she enjoys, and, uh, she was telling me about horseback
riding. Do you--and she was telling me about this wild horse, that, um, your
brother has. Do you know what it's name is, or does he have it named?
C: If he has a name, I don't know it..
B: He hasn't been riding that wild horse, has he?
C: No.
B: Do you like to go horseback riding?
C: Uh, yes, if you don't ride--if you just ride for a short while.
B: Um-hum. What other sports do you like?
C: Basketball, football (laughs).
B: You like to watch it, though, don't you?
C: Well, I like to watch football, and baseball, and swimming.


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B: Um-hum, how about dancing?
C: Yeah, I love to dance.
B: Um-hum, tell me about some of the dances you like to do. Which ones do you
like, uh, I try to keep up with the names of--of them, but I'm getting behind.
Things like the watusi, and the funky chicken, and uh, the twist is ancient
history, uh, it's almost as bad as the Charleston, isn't it?
C: Yeah.
B: Tell me some more dances that you do.
C: The love train.
B: I never heard of that one.
C: You see, it's not the song "Love Train". You see, you have a certain dance,
you know, that you do when you--you, uh, the way you dance to "Love Train"
well, they call it the love train dance.
B: Um-hum, can you think of any others?
C: The robot.
B: The robot? A
C: Uh-huh, e L' ^ ask it -L rr
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B: Well I'm sure you know many more than that, and ff Ht;k ____think
of. Not too many right now. Do you go to, uh, the communit4ee center to
dance?
C: Yes.
B: Uh, the young people still have their dance there, don't they?
C: Uh-huh. (affirmative)
B: Well that's commendable because, you know, in some areas where they try to
have them--a dance--somebody comes along and they cause trouble, and, uh,
and the old people just close the dance down, but this one's well chaperoned,
isn't it?
C: Uh-huh. (affirmative)


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B: And, uh, is it well attended?
C: Yes.
B: Uh, this is the--the Rex-Rennert Communittee Center?
C: That's right. Multiple purpose center.
B: Oh, the Rex-Rennert Multiple Purpose Center. I'm sorry. I had it wrong.
Uh, whose in charge of that?
C: Uh, well, two people's in charge of it, I think. Uh, Carol Oxendine and
B: Uh-huh, and your father. Boy, you are well chaperoned. Uh, well, he's a
nice guy, you know. He fits in with young people well, don't you think?
C: Yeah.
B: With anybody well, really. The Rex-Rennert Community near Shannon, S-H-A-N-N-O-N,
is spelled R-E-X hyphen R-E-N-N-E-R-T. Did I get it right?
C: Yes.
B: Uh, this is a very energetic communitye, and people are quite active in a
good many ways, and this is almost solidly an Indian communitYem, isn't it?
C: Uh-huh. (affirmative)
B: I understand that your father was very active in getting the Lumbee Bank
organized.
C: Yes.
B: He is very active W______ Indian friends. Oh, you know, I just thought
of something. The reason you don't go horseback riding, perhaps, is because
you've got a car of your own. Is this true? I--I hear you have a car of
your own.
C: Yes.
B: What kind is it?
C: A '72 Pinto.
B: A '72 Pinto.
C: Right.


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B: Uh, do boys whistle at you when you pass?
C: If they do, I don't see them.
B: (Laughs) You keep your eyes on the road, don't you?
C: Yes.
B: Do you like to go swimming in the summer timne ? .f-
C: I love it, except I don't v 'mainly 'cause I'm kind of scared of
water. I don't swim.
B: Um-hum. You just like to play around by yourself. You don't swim? Well,
maybe I can teach you some day. Would you like that?
C: Yes.
B: Don't you want to give me your boyfriend's name? V or do you--you
old,
tai me you had--you talk to several boys, but, uh, don't do it if you don't
want to, but, uh, do you have any friends whose names you'ld like to mention?
Girlfriends or boyfriends. Whose your best girlfriend?
C: Linda Kay Locklear.
B: Linda Kay Locklear.
C: Um-hum.
B: Um-hum. Is this the girl that's so pretty?
C: Uh-huh. (affirmative)
B: She's very beautiful, isn't she? Uh, how about the boys now? Let's get back
to the boys. Would you rather not talk about the boys?
C: Well, I've dated, I'll say about several boys, and out of all of them I don't--
f--t'nc= ai'L,-,L ~,,i, special that I think a lot of.
B: Um-hum.
c: His name is Larry Revels.
B: Well that's great. I know Larry. Larry's a great guy. He's going to college
now, you know. Of course, you knew that, didn't you?
C: Um-hum. (affirmative)


LUM 175A 8
B: He's a freshman in college this year, and he's a math, uh, now he's going
to be a math teacher. Uh, let's talk about young people and dating for a
moment, uh, do you have any ideas about dating? Uh, you know, some people
are very strict, some are very lenient. How do you feel about this? Do you
feel there are times parents are too--usually too tight on you young people,
or too slack?
C: Well, uh, some parents are strict and others aren't.
B: How about yours?
C:
C: Mine is--o-e strict.
B: Um-hum.
C: I like them.
B: And they trust you, don't they?
C: Uh-huh. (affirmative)
B: That's good. It's good, it's good to, uh, to live in such a way that, you
know, that people trust you, and I think this is great. Your parents Jo frt/s yo0,
I want--I want to ask you a very blunt question, if you don't mind. Uh, uh,
I'fd like to know--I think other people are interested in what young people
think. I know they are. Uh, what do you think about sex before marriage?
C: For one thing, I think it's fornication, bt4 gi4en, uh, giving your body to--
giving your body to a man that you don't know whether you love, or whether
you-whether you know if he loves you, and, uh, I just feel like it's forni-
cation and I dont--I don't like it. I wouldn't want to do it.
B: And when you say fornication, you mean that it--fornication, of course, is
sinful, right?
C: Uh-huh. (affirmative)
B: Is that what you mean, and do you think most young people feel as you do, or
do you think some of them indulge?
C: Some of them don't.
B: Some of them indulge? Uh, well, they come from a lot of different backgrounds


LUM 175A 9
and everything, so naturally there--there will be differences. Do very many
young people--young girls get pregnant in the Rex-Rennert Community?
C: Yes, uh, a few of them.
B: A few do, um-hum. Is it considered to be a very terrible thing when they do?
C: Oh, I feel like I would really be ashamed, you know.
B: Um-hum. (affirmative)
C: Because a lot of boys, when they get a girl pregnant, they drop her and leave
her, and they don't go back to her.
B: Um-hum. 4 R t
C: Like this one girl, she's in Rex-Rennert CommunitL Center, her name's
Janice B. Locklear, uh, she got pregnant with this boy, he was in the army,
and I think she has her baby the first of December.
B: Um-hum.
C: And he hasn't been around since he found out she was three months pregnant.
B: He hasn't been back?
C: Uh-uh. (negative)
B: Well, that's too bad. How about the age when young people get married? Do
they get married very early?
C: Um, some of them do. Um, they think that if they get married, they can do as
they please, you know?
B: Um-hum, do you think they get married mostly to escape parental control? Uh,
you know, to get out from under their parents?
C: Well, some of them do. I won't say all of them do.
B: Uh, Glenda Sue, you're seventeen, so I'm going to ask you if maybe you've
heard t church. How does, uh, your church feel about things like
abortion? Do they think this is terribly wrong?
C: Uh-huh. (affirmative)
B: How do you feel about it? Do you think it's wrong?


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C: Yeah, I think it's wrong.
B: Well, you aren't, uh, likely to get pregnant. Not with your determination
and everything, and your--your general, uh, disposition and all, but just
say, for instance, you were pregnant. Would you be willing to have an abor-
tion?
C: No. I feel like it's--you couldn't blame the baby for your mistakes.
B: Um-hum.
C: That's the main thing.
B: Do you feel like abortion is murder?
C: Yeah, I do.
B: Uh-huh.
C: Taking a life is a--being murdered.
B: Your church takes a stand against abortion, then?
C: Uh-huh. (affirmative)
B: Uh-huh. Well, now, you've expressed this interestSi-Larry Revels, what do
you--what do you think of him? Uh, why does a girl love a boy in the first
place, do you think?
C: One reason is his personality. I like his personality and the way he carries
his, uh, um, the one thing I don't--I dislike about him.
B: What's that?
C: He drinks.
B: But not very much, does he?
C: Well, I don't know. I don't go in on it much.
B: I didn't think so. Is he a Vet? Was Larry a veteran, has he been in the
army?
C: Yes.
B: Um, Glenda, you know girls can take advantage of boys, or boys can take
advantage of girls, in certain ways. How do you feel about this? Uh, do
you think one should try to take advantage of the other? Do you know what


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I'm talking about?
C: Uh-huh. (affirmative) Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
B: Well, tell me how you feel about it.
C: Well, I feel like it's terribleA,& fA girl shouldn't take advantage of
a boy, and a boy shouldn't take advantage of a girl. If he doesn't love her,
why don't he tell her so before he gets--go too far with her, and the same
with a girl. Now I've been experiencing this. I've took advantage of boys,
but I can say I did, but that was when I was younger.
B: Um-hum.
C: In the age of fourteen. I know--I didn't realize what I was doing. I thought
I'\d get a kick out of it, but as I grew older, I finally grew ashamed of
what I did.
B: Um-hum. What you mean is that you, uh, kidded them along when you really
didn't care anything about them?
C: Uh, yeah.
B: Um-hum. Well, this is something, I guess, that comes with maturity, and, uh,
you are more mature, and it's interesting to hear you say that because, uh,
many girls and boys never get to that point at all. You know, they think
that love--the old saying, everything is fair in love and war--they seem to
feel that this is true, and that is the way they play the game, and they are
always trying to take advantage of each other--one way or another. Uh, do you
have any other comments along those lines?
a(otAer
C: Well, um, -Eaeron thing, he's using her.
B: Uh-huh, what do you mean?
C: Just taking advantage--taking advantage of her.
B: I guess that's taking advantage, too. Using them for, uh, a date. Say, if
you want to go to a dance, and you don't really care anything about the boy,
but you want to go to the dance, and so you just use him to go to the dance,


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or maybe it's your birthday, and, uh, you don't really care anything about
him, but you will be with him because you know he'll buy you a nice gift, or
something. Is that what you mean?
C: Uh-huh. (affirmative)
B: Uh-huh. Uh, you don't think this is right?
C: No, I think he's i Oi t 0, Um, I went with this boy and I took advantage
of him for Christmas, you know, I thought maybe I'd get a lot of gifts for
Christmas if I go with him.
B: Um-hum. You didn't care anything about him?
C: No, I didn't care anything for him.
B: (Laughs) They say honest confession is good for the soul. Go on and tell
us about it.
C: Well, um, I wanted a sweetheart ring for Christmas.
B: Uh-huh.
C: So I told the boy--I--I had never told him I had loved him, and I never kissed
him the whole time I was going with him, but at Christmas night when he brought
me the--the princess ring, I kissed him for the first time.
B: (Laughs) You certainly got interested in him. Uh, that was a little bit.
hypocritical, do you think?
C: No.
B: JWhat happened afterwards? Did you break up or what?
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C: Um, he said something atb'wmr gc 'S-^Tio I told him
not to come back no more.
B: What do you mean out of the way? He propositioned you, or something?
C: These boys they gave--give me some money to buy me a drink.
B: Um-hum.
C: And he didn't want. ..
B: Girls drinking. (finished her sentence)
C: Yeah, and he slapped the soda out of my hand, and, uh, he--I told him I didn't


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want to see him no more.
B: Um-hum.' Well, that is interesting. Uh, we're getting right down to the
nitty-gritty now, aren't we? We're talking about actual problems that young
people have and:-they're--they're serious problems to them. I remember when
I was in my teens, and I was very sure YOt~J You know, people are
always saying that this is puppy love--they don't know what love is, but
when you're in the midst of it, it's very serious, isn't it?
C: Uh-huh. (affirmative)
B: In other words, if you really got attached to someone--have you ever loved
anybody?
C: Yeah.
B: You don't want to tell me who, do you?
C: I told you one time.-
B: Oh, yes. Larry Nielson Revels is a lucky guy, isn't he? (Laughs) I'll say
that. Uh, I think he's lucky that you care so much about him, but he's
a nice guy, too. He has a lot of class for--for any nice looking--any nice
'I f6 *,oFfv X at How about this boy you finagled out of the gift?
(Laughs) Uh, or you finagled a gift out of? Maybe I'm using the wrong
word there, uh, that bought you the gift? What ever happened to him? Did you
stop talking to him altogether?
C: No.
B: Whatever did happen between you two?
Wexelit made ;ot yayuknow
C: Well, we ^ each other ^ you know.
B: Um-hum.
C: But we felt good.
B: I ut o ia. then? Uh, who are you going--did you go with after
that?
C: I started dating, um, Ronnie Hammons or about five weeks, then I broke up
with him.
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B: Um-hum.
C: And started dating Artie Locklear. Now I'm broke up with him.
B: Oh.
C: I started dating Ronnie Hammond again.
B: (Laughs) You're sort of going in a cycle there. Now which one do you care
more about at the moment?
C: Neither one.
B: Oh, I know who you care for. Uh, what's wrong with this little romance? It's
just the fact that he has to work so hard in college that you don't get
together as often as you would like? I'm asking a lot of personal questions.
If I ask one you don't want to answer, don't answer it, dear, Okay?
C: Okay, I won'ttI
B: Okay, and how about this other guy? What--what was his name, Artie?
C: Uh-huh (affirmative)
B: And what--how--how did you get along with him, or what happened? Did you
break--you said you broke up with him.
C: Uh-huh (affirmative)
B: Do you mind telling us why? That's personal too, but tell me if you want
to, okay?
C: He really isn't my type of guy.
B: He just wasn't your type.
C: He just believed in doing things I didn't want to do.
B: Uh-huh.
C: He never went along with me. He always wanted me to go along with him.
B: Um-hum. I'm going to ask you something. When you break up with a boy, do
you worry about him a long time before you get over him, or do you get over
him very quickly, as a rule?
C: I get over him very quickly.


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B: I think most people--most young people do. Sometimes it's not so easy.
How do you feel about a girl's character? Do you think a boy cares more
about a girl who is not, say, promiscuous, or a girl who is, uh, a little
bit easy? Which type of girl do you think boys generally go for, a girl
who is promiscuous or a girl who, uh, is hard, sort of, you know, who doesn't
give in at all--I believe that's the term, do you?
C: Well, some boys go with the ones that give in--give in and a wi',t will go
with the one that's real hard.
B: Uh-huh, in other words, it depends on the guy, doesn't it?
C: Uh-huh. (affirmative)
B: Um-hum, do you think there are more guys, uh, who are like the last one you
described, or the other kind? I know this is a hard question, but have you
ever thought about, uh, which type of guy do you think is the most numerous?
Is it the guy who likes to go with girls who give in, or the other type of
guy?
C: The other guy.
B: Uh-huh. Just what do you do in the summertime?
C: Uh, last summer I had a summer job.
B: What kind of job was it?
C: Working at the army base in Fort Bragg.
B: Uh-huh. Oh, uh, I imagine that was an interesting job because there must
have been scads and scads of guys around, right?
C: Right.
B: And you didn't get any romance started over there?
C: A few.
B: (laughs) Oh, me. Well we had to be interrupted very briefly there because
the doorbell rang and you had to go answer the door. Uh, do you remember
what we were talking about?


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C: Um, that I had any romance at Fort Bragg. (Laughs)
B: And did you?
C: Like I said a few.
B: 7 0% HAk you said a few. Do you enjoy movies?
C: Uh-huh (affirmative)
B: Do you go to drive-in movies?
C: Yes.
B: Do you like to double date?
C: Uh-huh (affirmative)
B: Which would you rather do, double date, or date alone?
C: Double date.
B: Why? Do you have any reasons?
C: No. (Laughs)
B: You laughed. I think you do have a reason. You just don't want to tell
me, right? (Laughs) Do you have a reason?
C: /r scared of boys.
B: Say that again.
C: I'm scared of boys.
B: Uh, you're afraid of boys, uh, you're afraid of being alone with them, just
the two of you on a date, is that right?
C: Uh-huh (affirmative)
B: Afraid of what, um, might develop or what they might, uh, try to lead up to,
right?
C: Right.
B: Would you advice all girls to double date guys rather than single date?
C: Uh-huh (affirmative)
B: You think it's a good idea then, don't you?


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C: Um-hum (affirmative)
B: You know, you've got a large family. Your, uh, you children, how many of
you are there now?
C: Seven.
B: That's a pretty large family, especially in this day. Do you--do you think
when you marry you'll like a large family or a small family?
C: I think 1Jd pick a small family.
B: Do you have any reasons for this?
C: It would be too expensive to have a large family.
B: Uh, you said some time ago that you were going away to college rather than
going to Pembroke State. Uh, did--is there any reason for this? Why do you
want to go away?
C: It's because of, ur, the young people today taking dope, and, um, you know,
they might try to get me on it, and you know I'm--I'm like some people, you
know, you could talk me into doing any little thing, and, um. .
B: I hope they can't talk you into doing that.
C: Well..
B: They can't. .
C: And one reason I'ld rather.go to-B.Y.U. college is because it's, uh, I have
a lot of friends in it there, and, uh, and I'M like to stay off, you know,
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ii (Laughs) )
B: Well, uh, you know, uh, it's very practical to go away to college, sometimes,
to, you know, just to be away--be in another atmosphere, to see how you
make out. Uh, you learn a lot of things this way. (Laughs) You mentioned,
uh, drugs, uh, do you think the drug problem is all that serious in this
part of the country?
C: Yes.
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B: Uh-huh, and you think it might not be as serious where you're going?
C: Yes, because this is a religious college that I'm going to.
B: I see. Well, you keep, uh, nudging me with your elbow and telling me that,
uh, you want to conclude this, uh, interview because you want to--do you have
a date this afternoon, or something You want to level ith me?
C: Yeah, I want to go riding with (Sammy Burns?)
B: Alright, I see. Well, I want to thank you anyway for the time you've given.
You've been very sweet, and, uh, we've had a very good interview, and, uh,
I want to thank you very much for talking with us, and I wish you luck with
your romances and with your college work, okay?
C: Okay.
B: Bye-bye now.
C: Bye.


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