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LUM 20A
INTERVIEWED BY LEW BARTON
SEPTEMBER 3, 1972





B: This is side one of tape fifteen. This is August of, this is September

3Z 1972. I'm in the ..... This is tape fifteen, side one

I am Lew Barton interviewing for the Doris Duke Foundation under the

auspices of the University of Florida. I am in my home in Pembroke,

North Carolina on Barker Street and uh, I have a very important visitor

whom I have requested to give me an interview and I am going to let him

tell you his name and his connection. Tell us your name and your connection

with the ......
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M: My name is B2d Mull. I am presently the general manager of the Robinson

Historical Drama Association.

B: That's M-U-L-L

M: M-U-L-L, Mull, right.

B: I'm wondering uh, if you would tell us or if you would care to tell us

something about your work and the project which has created so much

interest and which is certainly a very worthy project. Uh...

M; Well, I've just recently become associated with 'em but I, I'll, I'll try

and give you a general of um, what is involved or, or what the goal here

is. The association was formed back in 1967 with the hopes that they

could take uh, the Indian community here, with uh, the Lumbee Indian becoming

as nationally well known, as nationally recognized as it has recently.

They felt that they could acquire through this and build a cultural

standard as well as a interacting, interaction rather working community

between the Lumbee Indian:and the Anglo here. Uh, in doing this uh,

it was thought that possibly in using the history of the Lumbee Indian









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we could recreate the past in the way of an outdoor drama which has so

recently uh, become popular all across the nation. As you know the

originator of the outdoor drama is Paul Greene from the University of

North Carolina uh, lives up in Chapgl Hill and uh, uh, has outdoor

dramas all across the country that are being performed today and uh,

very recently, they have become very very popular uh, he has written

several of them uh, the Institute for Outdoor Dramas is also located in

Chapel Hill. Anyway, getting back to uh, the original formation of this

association, which took place in 1967 at this time Paul Greene was

contacted through a friend and uh, in a meeting with Paul Greene and I

believe uh, Mr. Mark Sumner, the possibility of an outdoor drama in

the Robtson area was discussed and of course this would have involved

uh, the writing of a script, hopefully based on uh some aspect of the

Lumbee Indian R-ich today, the script already being written in fact

the third draft already being written uh has come to tell the story,

has come to tell the story of the well known Henry Berry Lowry who was

uh, an outlaw Indian towards the end of the Civil War in the late 1800's.

Uh, it brings to life uh that era of Henry Berry Lowry, what was involved,

why he became what he became, what he stood for, what the Lumber River

Indian stood for and put into this form of an outdoor drama is written

by Randolph Umburger. Now Randolph Umburger is an associate and on the

writing staff of uh Mr. Paul Greene and the script was supervised by

Mr. Greene but uh ......

B: I wonder if if I could interrupt at this point uh, I would could you

give me just a little of your of your own personal biography at least.

M: Surely.

B: This would be very interesting to our, our listeners and readers.









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M: My theatrical uh, experience goes back to uh, uh, oh probably the, the late 1950's,

uh, about 1956, 57 at which time I started working with community theater.

B: Uh hmmm.

M: And uh, this was in Texas where I'm originally from. And uh, I worked as stage

manager for the community theatre for a good three years and uh in later years

I worked with Summer Stock out in California where I was a technical director.

I've written a musical show which was uh, put on the road in Texas and uh and

also directed the show. Uh, I was uh, with the ?,VA/ Z1es+ Theatre in

Denver as well as uh, uh, helping organize a new theatrical group out there

which was uh, referred to as the Gasli. Theatre. And uh, however I left the

theatre in '66 since uh, all my experience with the theatre was always on a

part-time basis, it was never full-time. This was always in addition to

the full-time responsibility of, of my job which uh had me in the business

world in the way of the restaurant business. And uh, I was with the restaurant

business for ten years. Uh, recently I uh relocated to the Lumberton area

again through the restaurant business and upon uh, having the opportunity

to uh get involved with community theatre once again uh, I did and, am

presently the producer for the Robison Little Theatre as well as uh, program

director for the recently organized Children's Theatre Guild ....

B: Uh Hmmmmm.

M: .... in Rob son County. And uh, and then of course was offered the position

of general manager with uh, the Robison Historical Drama.

B: Yes, we were very pleased that, that you had accepted it:too because uh ......

M: Well, it was very, very exciting for me uh, I feel that it's a real challenge

uh, uh, the outdoor dramas presently operating in North Carolina are of course

uh, the Lost Colony as well as uh, Unto These Hills up in Cherokee and Horn

in the West uh in Boone and they-operate very, very successfully and I feel that

the drama to the script that we have written by Randolph Umburger as well










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as, as the backing that we have in the community and a well organized

association that we can be successful in also producing uh, this outdoor drama

which incidently is is uh named Strike at the Wind. That's the name of the

script and it's an outdoor musical drama in uh two acts. And I might add

very, very well put together also.

B: Well, as, as you know most titles of plays and books uh are ambiguous

or you know uh, this, this title, it's very intriguing uh ....

M: Well, I, I feel it is uh in the sense that Randolph Umburger uh and again

I'm going only on the assumption that that he titled the script which more

than likely he did. Uh, in, in reaching for his title or in deciding upon:- a

title for it uh, of course the story as I say is based on, on the historical

background of Henry Berry Lowry as much as possible uh, with probably some

deviations. However we have to remember that this is the theatre and uh

although uh you wantt*to stick with as much fact as you can it's still not

journalism as such.

B: That's right.

M: Uh, it's the theatre and and the theatre in order to remain theatre and

efficiently bring the audience an enjoyable evening of entertainment must have

somewhat of a deviation wherever applicable. Now uh, in reaching for his title,

Strike at the Wind, uh, I feel he was quite unique in as much as uh, Henry

Berry Lowry uh in, in his uh renegade doings was probably striking back at

the wind. Um, he had uh nobody else to turn to, he was rebelling against

uh, the rights and and ahd felt justified in his cause but no matter how right

and how justified he felt uh, he was still wrong. Uh ...

B: Well, that's true. He wa ......... in other words uh there have










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been times in history, wouldn't you say when both sides were right and

both sides were wrong?

M: Definitely, definitely.

B: This is sort of a .....

M: Uh, uh in, in saying he was wrong I don't mean to insinuate that uh, the

the other part ot the other faction was right. Now they were probably

just as wrong but then uh, you don't right a wrong with another wrong

and, and that's my point here. However, uh again uh, it, it was uh, the

authors way of saying that this man uh, no matter what he did he was just,

it was just like uh being in a ring or an arena uh, fighting with the wind

with no real opponent uh because no matter what you did uh it wasn't going

to be justified except r.aybe in the eyes of those who uh, who uh, felt

just as strongly about the situation as you did. And uh, the story

very vividly goes into showing that the, neither side uh, was right in

what they were doing and uh, this is important too.

B: Well before we get any farther I, I should ask you your age, did I .....

get that in?

M: No I don't believe you did.

B: I'm supposed to get your age and place of uh birth and so on and of course



M: I am uh .....



M: Originally, yes. I'm 33 years old and .....



M: I was born in uh, well actually on a military post but uh it was within the

city of uh or the town of Rio Grande City, which i- down in the Rio Grande

Valley along the Rio Grande River in Texas. However I grew up, excuse me

and uh attended school in Laredo, Texas. Uh then in later years went to










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college uh, a little while at the University of Houston and later on at the

"University of Colorado.

B: That's very interesting we're certainly happy that you are with us now.

M: Well, so am I, very much so. Uh, I'm very excited about it of course uh,

well St the part of the country I come from we have probably the same

situation in, in, in as much as uh, it's a tri-racial community. Uh, of

course there we had uh Mexican-American and uh your Anglo and then of

course your Negro. And here.....

B: What kind of response have you found so far. Of course you're uh you'd

just atngL l .

M: Right.

B: ..... a couple of weeks ago and you CV. /7i "4, .....

M: Uh, uh, I feel....



M: Well, no. In, in, I've been able to talk to several people since, uh

assuming my position and uh, I feel that the general feeling,uh, the

general inclination is, is toward uh, uh, seeing this thing be a success.

And uh, at, at this point I have all the confidence in the world that

we're going to gt uh all the backing of the community as well as those

outside of the community and whose uh, confidence we have to place something.

And uh, I, I just feel that it's, it's going to all come out very, very

nicely and that uh we'll be successful in our attempts.

B: Well I'm certainly very, very grateful because uh,I've, I've uh been

interested in a:project of this sort for many years and uh, I was fortunate

in that I was one of those who talked with uh, uh Mr. Greene originally

and uh uh, I remember how very hard I tried to show him the kind of

material that weu4d-bL __ because at this time uh,










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neither he nor Mr. Umburger were aware of all the material, newspaper

clippings and so on .....

M: .... in order to create a drama.

B: Yes because I felt that if uh, if Paul Greene, who is a friend of mine, if

if the material was there that uh, they we-e certainly, he would certainly

be interested in it. It's an honor to have him on any production, no matter

what and uh, he is nationally recognized, I consider him the foremost

playwrite in America and this is .....

M: Well uh, he is considered uh very, very highly uh, in the way of his

playwriting.

B: Mr. Mull, uh, we have a large community here and uh we're very proud of

our community and we have a feeling, and I'm sure that uh, we didn't

mention the chairman of the Rob son County Historical ......

M: The chairman of the RobAson Historical Drama Association is uh, Mr.

Hector McClaine

B: Well, I, what I wanted to say is that uh, this has been

a dream of his uh, I know him personally and uh he talked to me in '67

about his dream that uh, of uh a production of this sort which would

bring all our people closer together.

M: Very true. And, and this is definitely Mr. McClain s goal in this

as well as everybody involved with it. This is what makes it uh, uh

so beautiful, this is what makes it uh exciting to say I'm working with

it uh it's to know that I, I'm contributing not only a cultural standard

but more importantly than that ....

B: I'm sorry for the inter, interruption, but uh would you please continue.

I pulled...

M: Yeah.


B: .... the power plug uh...










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M: Well, no, I was, I was just uh saying that, that this is uh, the fact that

that it's, it's bringing a community together uh, bring in three uh racial

factions that that uh, have probably had their problems in the past even

as far back as as the time of this drama in history which again was the

late 1800's. But the fact that these people are going to have this

opportunity to all work together for the same thing I, I uh I feel that

it's going to be a tremendous boost uh as well as several other advantages

that this is going to offer the community from an economic standpoint,

uh, commercial standpoint uh e etera and, and I'm just very, very

excited about the whole thing.

B: Well I am too and uh, I'm certainly grateful that it's going along as

well as it is because uh, uh, I do know from my own, from my, from my
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own experience tsab in talking with different people that this is

you certainly defined thei.goal correctly because uh, this is the dream of

a lot of people in Robtson County, it's to bring people closer together

and to promote understanding between all groups, and of course this

has always been a dream very near to my own heart and uh, this is why

I'm so excited about Strike at the Wind and, and I, I hadn't been able

to uh, I hadn't read the script really yet but the reason I haven't is

that uh, uh, when we were, when they were writing) and I do some writing

myself, I don't, I can't write as freely if somebody is looking over my

shoulder and I respect those two gentleman and I knew darn well that

whatever they did was going to be great and so uh, oh, they had a script

committee and I sort of uh shyed away from, you know, making any suggestions

or anything, anything like that, I think an artist has to have absolute

freedom to express things in his own way and uh of course I, I, I'm sure

the script committee didn't inhibit.....










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M: Well this is very true but, but ....

B: .... too much.

M: .... even at that you have to appreciate uh, uh, their point in as much as

uh, they accepted the suggestions, I think the fact that already a third

draft of the script has been drawn up that uh, they have accepted any

criticism and rightfully so, from. loc-l people or your script committee

or whatever uh, criticism and corrections that they thought were necessary)

and that should be made and, and Randolph Umburger, the writer of the

script, has, has realized it in talking with people and gone to the extent

of, of, uh, rewriting the script uh for a third uh time now, to more or

less comply with history as much as possible as well as uh, other points

that should have been taken into consideration in getting what we hope

will be a perfect script.

B: Great. Is there a possibility that you might get uh a general assembly

of North Carolina interested to the extent of uh, underwriting some of the

expenses, you know North Caroling is very strong on history, particularly

within the past....

M: Very true.

B: ..... decade or so.

M: I'm not too uh involved with the fund raising of it, to a certain

extent I do work with uh, uh, Scott Shepard who is uh, the fund raising

chairman and uh Scott is working now I'm not positive but, but I believe

he's working to get some money from uh, what they call the Governor's

Contingency Fund, and uh he's working at that as well as, as other

areas to, to raise the money uh because needless to say we will have to

be subsidized this first year ....

B: Right.










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M: ... and probably the first three years. But hopefully eventually we'll

to a point where uh, we're self operating uh, at least uh more than

fifty percent self operating.

B: As we were talking my son Bruce walked in and I wanted him to meet you

especially, this is Mr. Mull, manager of the uh Robison County Historical

Association and this is Bruce Barton, my, my elderly son, my eldest son

who is going to be working with me on the paper and uh he has already

expressed great interest in the, in the production. It's very difficult here

in my home as you know to maintain absolute silence and so forth and I think

this is true everywhere. One question that people ask me pretty often

and of course I haven't been able to give them a direct answer, not

knowing myself, and I've been so busy with other things and that is uh

how do you go about applying, say there's someone who was, who is interested

in uh uh applying for a part in the drama or applying uh, or expressing

interest, wanting to 1:eip in some particular way. Now should we put

your.....

M: Well, specifically uh, there are-a lot of areas. Now if they just generally

want to help in whatever capacity we would like to use them uh, I would

say definitely to get a hold of me. Uh, now uh, we have an office

here in Pembroke as well-as our uh mailing address being uh, Pembroke

Post Office Box .......

B: Would you mind giving us that box number?

M: No, not at all. .It's box 614 p.m **.

B: And this, this zip code here is.....

M: I don't know what the zip code is.

B: 7339432 do it? Vhat is our zip code. Ha, Ha....

M: I, I'm very bad at-zip code numbers.

B: I think, I think I'm correct there uh but uh if they address it to, to you









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at Pembroke, North Carolina.

M: Right. At the post office box, I'll get it.

X: Right. And uh, however I don't have a+hone or there isn't a phone in the

office here in Pembroke so there's no way of calling....

B: Uh hmmm.

M: ...but I have an answering service uh, in uh Lumberton so that those that

need to get a hold of me in Lumberton are able to. And uh, that number

is 738-5959. Now again uh, this is for, you know, people who would be

interested in working in any capacity now as far as being in the production

or involved with the production itself uh, at, at this point, we still

have yet to hire the director of the show. And uh, uh, although there

are several rumors as to how the parts of the show, or the technical

positions, uh, the production will be filled uh, I hesitate to to relay

any of 'em at this point because I don't know that they're necessarily

trade. How it will be handled, of course is strictly up to us to start

with...

B: Right.

M: .... and uh, to my knowledge, no definite plans have been made. However

if they wanted to talk to somebody uh, if anybody at this point would

have any knowledge or any idea of that information, I would suggest talking

to Al Donovan who is production coordinator and of course he is uh drama

professor at uh, speech and drama professor uh at Pembroke University

and can be reached over there probably uh most of the time at least

during the day.

B: That's great. And P.S.U. will uh, I gather from this that P.S.U. will,

is willing to help in any way possible.

M:. Definitely. Uh, in fact, uh, well uh, let this, this would probably be

a better way of showing how P.S.U. is, is willing to work with this as









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much as it possibly can. Uh, I've recently writ,:.-ritten a story uh.,-on the

selection of the site for release to state newspapers and uh in it we involve

of course the site selection committee which was headed by up by uh, Harry

West LockiL. who was the chairman of the committee. And uh, aside from

Mr. Lockl&te who is connected with Pembroke State University in as much

as he is the chairman of the Board of Trustees....

B: Right.

M: ... of P.S.U.. But uh, also on the committee with him were uh, Mr. Ghagls,

I can't think of his first name at first, but he's the Dean of Student

Affairs.

B: I believe, uh, is, is it James C_4_/_ ...

M: James Ch is, right, right. Jame .. Mr. James hg who is uh, the Dean

of Student Affairs at the University and also on the committee was uh

Mr. Adolph Diale, who is a professor and the head of the uh, American

Indian Studies a new department at the University. And then uh, again

Al Donovan who of course is associated with the University, however the

only point I'm trying to make here is that uh, all these people directly
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with the exception of Mr. Locklpre are associated with the University.

So the university is more than willing to, as well as the people connected

with it, willing to help out as much as they can in, in promoting this

and making sure that it's a success.

B: Uh, this is very...... Um, you know a university can help in so many ways...

M: It can,........

B: a project'of this kind....

M: When the site was first thought of uh, rembroke uh, University was very,

very much considered. A lot of people wanted to see us use it, or use the

area around it because of course it offered the advantages of uh, having

uh the use of the University, the, the buildings themselves and so forth









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in putting on the show. But of course this just couldn't be a reality

because, because of your noise factor involved in the surrounding aea.

B: What was your final selection as to a site?

M: Okay. It, it wasn't my final selection.

B: Well, when I say you I mean collective you.

M: Uh, the selection of the site was, in, in, and I think I want to use the

term, confirmed, by the board at their last meeting which was the first

of August. And uh, the reason I say confirmed rather than picked or chosen

is because uh, the site was actually chosen by Mark Sumner and Paul Greene

and Randolph Umburger. These are the gentleman who suggested very highly

the particular site that the board confirmed and that is uh, the Deep

Branch site, which is located directly behind uh, Deep Branch Elementary

School. Uh, and it's probably about midway between uh, interstate 95 and

Pembroke.

B: How about 74, that's not too far either is it?

M: No, it's not too far but they came to find out.........

B: Well we got interrupted again by the telephone.

M: Well, that's righth, that's OK.

B: My son is taking care of that.

M: They came to find out several, several sites had been uh, considered before

they got to the Deep Branch ite and uh, almost inevitably, every site

was continuously ruled out because of the noise factor. Even though

a lot of the sites would have presented other uh, picturesque advantages

uh, it'seemed like the noise factor, especially that from traffic and

deisel trucks would always end up ruling out that particular site. Of course,

needless to say, it's very important that wherever we're going to build

this amphitheatre, uh, for the production of an outdoor drama uh, the

quietness has to play an important factor uh, because it,it's, it can









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on a, in an outdoor drama, unlike a stage production inside an auditorium,

uh, any little noise, needless to say is, is going to travel very extensively

and, and, and be very noticeable and consequently very, very distracting uh,

from an audience standpoint. Uh, therefore it,it played a very major role

in,in the selection of the site. And uh, they came to find out that any

site that was south of the river and uh, I'm speaking of the Lumber River,

uh, was plagued by this situation, the fact that the noise was just too

vivid, or, or, too distracting and consequently we ended up with a site

that, that's on the north bank of the river which for whatever the reason

there uh, this particular site in it's location does not present that

problem, the problem of noise. And .... uh, it, it's a very good and

and well picked site uh, I think it has enou.... a lot of natural

beauty to it that we're going to be able to retain in building our

amphitheatre. And uh, we have enough room, the river will be flowing

right behind the stage that'll be built and uh,uh, I think uh, we've

come up with a very, very uh, beautiful and picturesque uh selection

as far as the site goes.

B: I, I'm partial to that myself. I, uh, you know it's, it's easy

with modern machinery and modern methods to to um, build a place up if

it isn't everything you want it to be.....

M: That's true...

B: .... you can make it that.

M: That's true, but uh, I like the idea of going with, with as much natural

beauty...

B: Right.

M: ... and, and we will be able to do this at the Deep Branch site. It has a

lot of it, of course there'll be a lot of work that we have to do as far

as clearing out a vast amount of the area and the trees that are there and










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so forth but uh, this will all rest with uh with the architect

who will design uh the amphitheatre in, uh and working in conjunction

with myself and Randolph Umburger who wrote the script as well as uh,

more than likely the director, should we have him hired at the time.

And uh, we shhh..., we'll try very, very hard to come up with, with as

beautiful an amphitheatre as we can and....

B: Well I'm sure you will.

M: and, and at the same time not too expensive' an amphitheatre.

B: Umm, while we're talking and uh, you know about the address, uh, Mrs.

Nell Skinner is the uh......

M: Uh, Mrs. William L. Skinner Jr. Right.

B: Right.

M: She is the secretary treasurer of uh the board or of the association.

B: Do you think she would mind us giving her of her phone number if you knew

it?

M: Uh, I don't know it I wish I did.....

B: But it's probably listed ......

M: Yes it is. Yeah, they could, they could find it under William L. Skinner

Jr.Yeah, it, it's listed in the Lumberton directory .

B: Then she's a very great asset to the uh, association, I'm sure.

M: There's, there's no doubt about it. Uh, you know I, I can even take this

further and, and say that uh, this whole idea, the conception of all of this

uh, uh, she played a, a very, very major role uh, in the beginning, in the

very beginning and uh, uh, she like everybody else involved uh, it means

so much to them to see that something like this is going to come about and uh

she's a very diligent worker and has done a lot since the beginning for the

association in, in trying to see that it developed into something or into a

reality that we would be able to see and realize and of, of course needless










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to say that it has and uh, we still have a ways to go but again I feel

confident we'll get there.

Bt And Mrs. Skinner is also a a, I think, well I know she is uh an alumnus

of Pembroke State University.

M: That's right. She is.

B: And she is a teacher O 07 /r r 7 4yS maybe, I

might be able to interview her as well, you know because she, she has so

much knowledge of the program and, and has been with it uh and worked

so adamently with it and uh.....

M: I think so, um hmm.

B: ... tirelessly and she has, she's an inspiring kind of person, you know?

M: Yes she is. Uh, I would even go as far as to say that uh, probably it's

success thus far we could almost uh contribute to the fact that she was

as inspiring a woman as as she is. And uh...

B: Well I'm sure I agree with that and anyone who knows her very well

would certainly agree with that and I believe this is about the way uh

most of the people who are associated with uh the program, I uh, uh....

M: Definitely so. The feelings are very, very strong about everybody that is

associated with it.
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B: I think of uh Mrs. J. A. Sharp Jr., who is the wife of the Robdsonian

Editor...

M: Right.

B: ... and uh who is a history major herself....

M: Uh hmmm.

B: .... and uh her interest has never waned, it has always been uh, very

strong and well there's so many people who have contributed at this point,

up to this point we, it wouldn't be possible to mention them all but those uh

particular people occurred to me in the course of our conversation.










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M: Right, right and they are two very major people in it so uh that's

probably why if anybody's name would stand theirs definitely would.

Mr. uh, Adolph Dial has done a lot uh, the Reverend D. F. Lowry in, in

getting, acquiring proposed sites when we were in th, in, in, trying to

select a site, played a big part. And uh there are just so many people

that have, that have done so much, very diligently and uh, like you say

we could sit here .....

B: _

M: Right. We could sit here and and name names all afternoon....

B: Right.

M: .... and probably never come to an end.

B: Well, it's a, I'm certainly grateful for the opportunity to talk with you

and uh...

M: It was my pleasure...

B: ... and anyone who wants to look over the script or, if the script is

available, you uh, are leaving a copy with me for the time being and I

appreciate this very much because uh, I know a number of people who uh

just haven't gotten around to joining the move, the uh, endeavor as yet

M: Uh hmm.

B: And uh...

M: Well now you know we have a general meeting coming up the thirteenth, a

general membership meeting....

B: Yes...

M: At which time uh, of course all the memberships will be renewed.

B: Right.

M: It's a membership renewal... and it's a dutch dinner which will cost two

and a quarter and uh, at this point I'm very involved with, with getting as

many people in the Pembroke area behind this and getting them to the meeting










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B: Uh hmm....

M: And uh, getting them to become uh, a members, whatever w.. category of

membership they wish to, uh, wish to buy and uh and we want to see this

become a successful with as much backing from Pembroke as, as from anyplace

else in the community or in the county rather.

B: And we'd like to have some backing from anybody else in any other state

or anywhere else in the world.

M: Very true.

B: If, if you care to uh, uh, be a member we would, we would certainly be

glad to have them, wouldn't we?

M: Definitely so, from anywhere.

B: And uh, well and all, and all they would have to do was get in contact with

you and...

M: Right.

B: ... to Pembroke, North Carolina....

M: Right me at the,right, write me at the Post Office box 614 in Pembroke.

B: And that spel P-E-M-B-R-0-K-E.

M: Right.

B: ... because many of our listeners and readers will be uh, distant people in

other states and uh...

M: Definitely.

B: We want to take care of them too and we want this, now eventually, do you

uh envision this area as being uh very attractive to tourists from all over

the United States?

M: Well, definitely so. In fact uh, it, it would it, we would have to, we

would have to say that, that, the financial success of the drama itself would

would, would mean this area or the drama becoming uh an attraction all over /

country for tourists.









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B: Uh hmm.

M: So yes, tourists are going to play a big part in it and uh and as you said

you can envision the area becoming very well known and and being a very

large attraction uh to tourists all over the country.

B: Well this is great. I know, I've been in a position since 1958 on a, we had

a little trouble with uh, certain organizationsnd uh, since that time

I have, I've received and answered literally hundreds and hundreds of

letters from people simply trying to answer questions that they want to

know about the area and to me this is an expression of interest and, andthere

have been other indications for example, an anthropologist from the j -r

aLs ofSouth America uh came over and talked with me

and I was interviewed by uh, a newsman from Tokyo, Japan and they are

interested in the area and in what it's doing and uh I believe this will

fill a great need, don't you?

M: Definitely. Yeah.

B: I'm, I'm so very proud of this area, I'm not...

M: Well...

B: I"m not prejudiced but I'm....

M: There's a lot to be proud of, there really is. I've only been here for a

short while, in fact not even a full year yet and uhuh, there is a, you can

feel the pride in the area in the county and uh, rightfully so because there

is a lot to be proud of. Uh, I think with, with the creation of this

historical drama association and the forthcoming production, I think uh,

that's only gonna give us an opportunity as a, as a whole community working

together for one goal to be that much more proud of the county and the area.

And uh, I just think it's really fantastic. I'm just really looking forward to

it.

B: I certainly agree and uh anything we can do from our end of the line be sure








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to let us know.

M: I will.

B: I am uh, I appreciate this interview so much I um, if there's anything

you would like to add I"11 uh, would be glad to listen to whatever you

M: Well, we talked about so much and and uh, at this point, I, I, the only

thing I might add to it all is uh is, is a sense of appreciation and, and

the opportunity that I've had here to talk to you uh, and and it seems like

every time I talk to somebody different in the community I learn so much

more and uh and I'm sure that, that I, that I'll keep on learning a lot more

and uh....

B: Well...

M: I, I just, I'm excited&about the whole thing and uh, and looking forward

it, to its eventual success.

B: Well, I, I want to thank you and assure you that uh, we're very happy to have

you on this interview because this will be distributed and uh students will

be knowing about it and they, people, students, not only students but just

ordinary everyday people. I don't like to call anybody ordinary but just

average people are interested in what's going on and...

M: People in every walk of life.

B: Right.

M: Well that's great.

B: ... and this is uh, it makes me very proud and, and I'm glad to see this, this

joint effort uh, you know sometimes people come in and say, well, for heaven's

sake, why do you get along in that county where there are three races and uh,

isn't everybody always at everybody else throat. But this just hasn't

been the ease, we've had problems uh, well, but everybody else has...

M: That's right, you don't have to live in a tri-raaial community to have problems.

B: Right.









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M: Uh, you're gonna have the same type of problems even if you're living in a

one race community and uh so I, I don't think this should be a factor, uh, I

feel that, that if we've got problems, whatever the problems, we we've got to

try and handle them and solve them as best we can as a community.

B: Right.

M: And uh, and you know, the tri-racial aspect of it should have no bearing

whatsoever. And uh...

B: There are people problems that we have.

M: That's right, that's right. They're all people problems. A person's a

person regardless of him, of his race and uh you have to treat a person

at face value.





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